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Speaker 1: I handle it. Yeah, even if that even it, really

425
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, it's just

426
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: a blanket statement of just like, I don't care what

427
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: the situation is. You never ever ever talked to cops. Well,

428
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: they really meant that ship. So Mundo told police that

429
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: he was breaking a major code and then he faced

430
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: real consequences. It's just like, you know, protect me please

431
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: as a witness. Now, they spoke with Lieutenant Mike Atkins,

432
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: who initially had a hard time believing everything they were

433
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 1: telling him. The story sounds crazy obviously, but Undo was right.

434
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean, with his background, this was a really big

435
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: deal for him to beat in a police station like this.

436
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 1: So Lieutenant Atkins decided this is probably pretty serious. They

437
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: went over all of Mundo and Lulu's conversations and text jets.

438
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: They made sure that she really wants him dead, that

439
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: she was willing to pay for it. Technically, they have

440
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: what they needed to arrest Lulu right then, and there.

441
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: But Atkins thought that if this beautiful woman walked into

442
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: that courtroom with no police record, abuse allegations and a

443
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: halfway decent lawyer, she could probably walk. I mean, at

444
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: this point, she just paid a hundred bucks for a

445
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: gun and stall and and made a few comments. So

446
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, he's feeling like this isn't really enough to

447
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: put her away. And this brings me to a thought

448
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: because I was like, well, y'all had an opportunity here

449
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: to stop this crime from happening right and or progressing

450
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: any further, stop anybody from getting hurt or doing anything

451
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: any more illegal than they'd already done. And I see

452
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: the police here choosing two instead of stopping it where

453
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: it is, getting a woman in trouble for as much

454
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: as she had done already and nothing more. They say, well,

455
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: let's try and get her in more trouble. Let's try

456
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: and escalate this to the point where we can really

457
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: get her some jail time. And I don't see the

458
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: point in that. Yeah, I see what you're saying, because

459
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: it's like, why do you want I mean, prevent the crime? Crime?

460
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: Prevention is not the goal. I guess in a way,

461
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: it's got sort of a twisted logic because he's like,

462
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 1: if she gets out, she gets another chance to hire different,

463
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: like an actual hit man, and actually kill this man.

464
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: So we need to make sure that we have enough

465
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: to prevent her from succeeding in that goal. But I see,

466
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: I do see what you mean, because sometimes at least

467
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: like years of like monitoring crazy crimes going on, and

468
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: they're like, it's to get us to bigger you know,

469
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: a bigger collar or whatever, but you feel like you

470
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: just get them while you can't. If that looks if

471
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: she was Pablo Escobar, right, or even if she had

472
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: talked to an actual hit man and they were like, oh,

473
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: we could follow this guy the chain up here, then

474
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: you know you'd have something to like, let me lead

475
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: further into this, let's see where this goes. But I'm like,

476
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: probably this woman again, no police record at all, you've

477
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: never done anything wrong. Probably she gets caught in the

478
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: middle of something like this before it goes too far,

479
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh my god, I can't believe us.

480
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 1: Stupid I was. I'm never gonna do I'm moving, I'm

481
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: never gonna do anything like that again. I just need

482
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: to get out of this guy's life. That's what I

483
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 1: would anticipate, and I think she deserves that chance at

484
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: this point. You know, I think she deserves the opportunity

485
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: to be told, hey, we know you're doing illegal things

486
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: and you're going to get in trouble for what you've

487
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: done so far, even if it's not much trouble. She

488
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: deserves that chance to to not do something more illegal.

489
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: It's weird, especially with again, like it's not like there's

490
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: a crime boss she's working for that they could track

491
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: down if they let her do what she needs to do.

492
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just weird. I guess that's a

493
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: good point, Like does she actually have the capacity or

494
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: the way, like the community to hire a hit man

495
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: or whatever? I mean. I guess she knows this guy

496
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: at the Jim, But that seems a little right little

497
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: Lundo Lundo was worried that she would do it if

498
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: she didn't have his interference. So, you know, I don't

499
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: know the neighborhood they lived in, the people that went

500
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: to the gym, she might have had the opportunity, but again,

501
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: you scare somebody and they get caught in the middle

502
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: of it. Obviously, at that point, if she did it,

503
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: she would definitely get caught. Yeah, you know, having attempted

504
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: it once already, so I think it would have gone away.

505
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: I think none of the none of the rest of

506
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: this would have happened. I could see it, you could

507
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: see it. I'm not a law enforcer, so I don't know.

508
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: So Ultimately, Lieutenant Atkins determined that quote Ramon's life was

509
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: seriously in danger, but he had some even scarier news

510
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: for Ramon. He would have to keep living with his

511
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: would be assassin, Lulu Um because they needed more evidence,

512
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: and Ramone did not like that. Of course, he was

513
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: worried that Lulu might snap one night and just kill

514
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: him herself, and Mundo didn't like it. He was terrified

515
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: that someone might find out, or that Lulu would lose

516
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: her patience and both of them could end up dead.

517
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: But he knew that this was the best plan for

518
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: him to save his friend, so he kept talking to Lulu.

519
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: Lulu kept implicating herself further. Mundo even tried to get

520
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: her to back down a few times. In one recording,

521
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: he said, quote, if you change your mind, you change

522
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: your mind, nothing happens. Nobody's forcing you to do it.

523
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: But Lulu responds, quote it's a decision I already made.

524
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: If I say it, I do it. And then came

525
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: the order. She wanted him dead before July, when Ramon

526
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: might have signed divorce papers. So the police decided it

527
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: was time to take things to the next level and

528
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: fake Ramone's death, and we'll get into how they did that.

529
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: Right after this Welcome back to the show, Mundo arranged

530
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: a meeting between Lulu and Paco, and Paco, of course,

531
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: would be an undercover police officer. As she and Mundo

532
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: met Paco in an empty parking lot and climbed into

533
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,959
Speaker 1: his truck, Lulu vented about Ramon and him screwing up

534
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: her life. The undercover Poco asked, quote, this guy, do

535
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: you want him to be pretty beaten up, bucked over?

536
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: Do you want us to beat him up or what?

537
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: And Lulu replied quote, no, no beating, I want him dead.

538
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: And Lieutenant Atkins was in an unmarked vehicle nearby, listening

539
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: over the wire that Mundo was wearing, and he told

540
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: the ESPN quote, I was struck by the lack of emotion.

541
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: When you deal with someone who has no emotion, shows

542
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: no empathy, no sympathy, those are truly truly dangerous individuals.

543
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: And when they got out of the truck, Lulu and

544
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: Mundo shook hands, but he felt really weird touching the

545
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: woman that he had just betrayed again. He knew her

546
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: pretty well too, and he had he was close with her,

547
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: so I'm sure this was very complicated and it felt

548
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: really weird. And then she pulled him in for a hug,

549
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: which he described saying quote, I think I held on

550
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: for like two more seconds because I knew what time

551
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: it was. So he's kind of like didn't want to

552
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: hug her because he felt really icky about what he

553
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: had done. But he also was like, I mean, you

554
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: made your choices, trying to talk you out of it,

555
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: so let me just hold you a little second before

556
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: you get in trouble for a really a lot of

557
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: get into a lot of trouble. I think what's interesting

558
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: here too, is that Mundo's really saving her life because

559
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: he stopped her from actually killing someone, and that would

560
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: have likely ended much differently. That's a good point point.

561
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: He's really being a very good friend. Yeah. Now, the

562
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: next morning, Ramon met with police officers and they drove

563
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: out to an empty piece of county owned land very

564
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: far from the main road. Ramon thought of the song

565
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: that he and Lulu first danced to Bruharia. In Spanish,

566
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: it means witchcraft, and one of the lines of the

567
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: song is miki or you want to send me to

568
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: my cold grave? Oh my lord, did she request the song? Yeah?

569
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is just like, how interesting

570
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: that that was our song the whole time, Lieutenant Atkins

571
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: told forty eight Hours quote, being a bunch of middle

572
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: aged men, we don't, you know, we're not exactly versed

573
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: on applying makeup. So apparently all these cops and Ramone

574
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: got together and they had to watch YouTube and learn

575
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: how to apply makeup from a bunch of teenage girls.

576
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: I love the thought of all of them like crowded

577
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: around a TikTok. Yeah, it's just like I love this brush.

578
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god. The men can't find out that we

579
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,479
Speaker 1: can shape shift right. The assistant d A was there.

580
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: He brought them pictures of real corpses with bullet wounds

581
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: to the head, and they poked out a good reference

582
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: photo and they showed it to Ramon. He was horrified. Obviously,

583
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: I think most civilians don't want to see real dead

584
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: bodies would be. I would have been like, I'm not

585
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: doing the makeup myself, So y'all just keep that picture.

586
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I like it to look real too, but

587
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: I don't need to see a real dead body that

588
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: has been shot through the head. And again, y'all do

589
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: in the makeup you look at the reference photo, are

590
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: in the model here? I don't need to see it now.

591
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: They used corn syrup and food coloring. Smart. We have

592
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: talked many times on the show about our own blood recipe. Right.

593
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: They also learned that from YouTube. They also borrowed a

594
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: police makeup kit that they used for disaster drills. Which

595
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: what do they need for makeup wise? For st drills?

596
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: I want to look like a Morton Joe or something right, right,

597
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: or it's like, oh, there was a tornado and now

598
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: it aged me and now they just have hair sprayed

599
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: to put their hair way up. We really want to

600
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: be immersive about this. Someone was electrocuted and they yeah,

601
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: they do the crazy hair sticking out and like looking.

602
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,479
Speaker 1: And Ramon called it all very amateur like Halloween level

603
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: stuff for kids. But they did a very good job.

604
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: They had Ramon stripped to his underwear, they tied his

605
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: hands behind his back, They laid him in the ditch

606
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: that they dug for him, and then they kicked dirt

607
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: on his face. Ramon said it was scary and emotional,

608
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: and the quote it was eerie. I was sitting there

609
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: with my eyes closed, thinking what am I doing here?

610
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: Why did it come down to this? It could have

611
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: been a simple divorce. This never should have happened. Horrifying,

612
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: I mean him was like, Yeah, the picturing your immortality

613
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: sitting there with a fake bullet hole in your head,

614
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: that that was meant to really happen, seriously, and and

615
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: that your wife, who you slept with and built a

616
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: life with, is the one who planned it, and just

617
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: adds to that horror. Right. Plus he had spent the

618
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: last few weeks living in the same house with her,

619
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: knowing that she was plotting to kill him. His brain

620
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: must have been just whirling around a lot and a

621
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: lot of crazy ways. Now a few photos later, they

622
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: had what they needed and it was time to bring

623
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: the evidence to Lulu. They met her in the same

624
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: parking lot as before, but this time there were two

625
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: hidden cameras in the fake Paco's car, and they pointed

626
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: right at Lulu's face. As the officer told her, quote

627
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: we got him today this morning. As she betrayed no emotion.

628
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: On seeing the picture of Ramon, fake Paco said, quote

629
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: the dumbass fought, which made Lulu laugh. He told her.

630
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: Ramon begged and said, quote, why are you doing this

631
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: to me, to which Lulu replied, quote stupid for hitting me,

632
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: dumbass I Fake Paco asked he would hit you, and

633
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: Lulu maintained yes, very disgraceful. After a moment, she said, quote,

634
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: he won't get up anymore, and she started laughing. She

635
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: gave them the thousand dollars as she went on her way.

636
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Atkins said her laugh was bone chilling, and it's

637
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: kind of freaky. But it's also interesting too. She said

638
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: even here to Paco that he was hitting her. That's true,

639
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: She's she was maintaining that story. It's real. If it's not,

640
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: she was keeping that up. And the next morning, Atkins

641
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: and a few officers showed up at the gym telling

642
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: Lulu they had received a missing person's complaint about her husband.

643
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: She told them she hadn't seen him or talked to him,

644
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: that they were going through a divorce and the last

645
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: time she'd seen him was over a week ago. She

646
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: acted concerned, knowing of course, that eventually the police would

647
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: likely find his body or realize he was missing. So,

648
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: you know, she had to play the worried wife, like,

649
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: oh my god, what's happen? What do you mean, what

650
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: do you think you win? Or what's going on? You're

651
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: too good at that. I've been practicing for a couple

652
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: of years. Interesting, Listen, you said I could lowball it. No,

653
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: I said you could spend a high percentage of the

654
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: money you have. It's not low balling. If it's everything

655
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: you out, that's what I want you to spend. Oh okay,

656
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: that's very different. All right, well now I'm not interested.

657
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: That's how you do it. That's the price too high

658
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: for your wife to have you assassinated, and she'll just

659
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: turn away. So she's playing the worried wife. And they

660
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: asked her, quote, he hasn't contacted you in the last

661
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: twenty four hours. She said no, And they say at

662
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: MS SOSA, you're under arrest. Ramone had to call his

663
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: kids and tell them what happened. His daughter, Mia said

664
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: she had just gotten home from a shift at a

665
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: comedy club where she was working, and she saw her

666
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: brother sitting on her bed on his phone, and she

667
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: knew from his face that something was wrong. He handed

668
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: her the phone and Ramon was on the line. His

669
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: voice was shaking and low, and he said, quote, I'm safe,

670
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: but Lulu tried to have someone kill me. Now. Mia

671
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: just fell back against the walls, slid down and started crying.

672
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: She had always found Lulu to be, you know, cold

673
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: and mean. She didn't like her, but who would expect

674
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: something like this? That's intense. After her arrest, Lulu agreed

675
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: to a divorce settlement that gave Ramon the gym and

676
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: the house. That's so wild like she ended up a

677
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: worse off. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, as she

678
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: knew she'd been caught, right, and she pretty much I

679
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: didn't try to fight this too hard, um, because what

680
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: could she do right? Right? So I don't know exactly

681
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: how their divorce settlement went down, but ultimately Ramon got everything,

682
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: he said. His quote was she just gave up everything.

683
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: How weird to go so hard for it and then

684
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: immediately give it up. Maybe you were right. If she

685
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: had been scared off, she just would have dropped it. Well. Then,

686
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: after spending fifteen months in jail. In October sixteen, Lulu

687
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: went before a judge and agreed to a plea deal.

688
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: She pled guilty to a reduced charge of second degree

689
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: solicitation of murder, which allowed her to avoid a trial

690
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: with like a potential life sentence. At the end, she

691
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: never made eye contact with Ramon in the courtroom. Lulu's

692
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: divorced lawyer said on forty eight Hours that he believes

693
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: Ramon Sosa was quote someone who was very violent to

694
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 1: his wife, and he felt that fear was the factor

695
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: that motivated Lulu to do what she did. He said

696
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: the photo of a broken door proved just how strong

697
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: and dangerous Ramon was and kind of points to a temper. Sure,

698
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: you don't just break a bus shit open, you know,

699
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: if you have a normal temper. I feel like, no,

700
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: not usually. I mean, you know, I've slammed a couple

701
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: of game controllers in my day and broken a phone

702
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: or two. Then I've you know, lightly tossed at a wall.

703
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know if I've ever broken I remember

704
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: very clearly once being a kid and being like enraged

705
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: about something that probably did not matter, but I was

706
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: like so mad that I really wanted to pick up

707
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: something and throw it like I have seen in the movie.

708
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: And I remember I had a little ceramic thing that

709
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 1: my grandmother given me, and I really had was thinking

710
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: about picking. I was so mad. I was like so

711
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 1: ready to crush it. But I was like, I'm gonna

712
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: be really upset later that I woke that. Yeah, And

713
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: so i've I don't think I break much stuff because

714
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: I'll be mad at myself later. And I really think

715
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: about that. Oh my god. I remember one where I

716
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: was drawing. I had this big, big, huge sheet of paper.

717
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: I was drawing a bear. I was like five years old, right,

718
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: and I and I just figured out how to do

719
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: the feet where I want them, and they looked like

720
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: a little just cartoon bare feet, right, and I drew

721
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: one of them backwards. I had the foot going the

722
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: wrong way because it was such a big piece of paper.

723
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: And I was so upset because I had been so

724
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: proud of what I was doing, and it just like

725
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: really just got to me, and I was mad, and

726
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 1: I ripped the paper and then I was very upset

727
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: because I now I had ripped it, you know, and

728
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: like I just made everything so much worse. So you're

729
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: right not to throw that ceramic. I think I was right,

730
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 1: but I have seen you, in frustration punch your laptop

731
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: to the point where it doesn't work any I have

732
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: hit my laptop and it's you know what it is,

733
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: it's always excel. It's almost always well, it's so funny

734
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: is you're like slamming your fist into your laptop, like

735
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: why won't this work? And I'm like, well, I have

736
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: some ideas, but you know not to say that, Ramon,

737
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: I don't know I did, or you know, punch the

738
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: hole in the door. Does that mean he would punch

739
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: a hole in someone's face or does that mean he

740
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: just like had a moment of you know, ripping that bear,

741
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: or that he's like I so much don't want to

742
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: hit someone in the face, that I hit this wall

743
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: and stead or at this door, whatever it was. Now

744
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: Mundo and Ramon's daughter Mia, close friends of the family,

745
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: and Ramone himself, I'll say that this guy knew he

746
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: was a professional boxer, and in that he understood how

747
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: dangerous his hands were and that he would never ever

748
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: use them outside of a ring. Right Like he's he

749
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: respects the power that he has in punching something like

750
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: That's what he does, for he's literally designed to break

751
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: things when he punches them. Did he sit there and

752
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: go so strong? I hope. So there you got millennials

753
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: for um. Ramon said quote, not even in the streets,

754
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: not even in the reats. For her to say something

755
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: like that was really hurtful. He's referring to you know,

756
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 1: when he's fought. He only fights in the ring, right right,

757
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: He's like regulation fights only Yeah. The one thing that

758
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: Ramon did admit to was punching the bedroom door, he

759
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: said in the CBS interview quote that I admit to.

760
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: She was accusing me of stuff, and that's one thing

761
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: I did. I took my frustrations out, but I never

762
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: ever put a hand on her. Pictures of scratches on

763
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: her upper arm and her leg, he says, those are fabricated.

764
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: Lulu was sentenced to twenty years in prison, and she

765
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: comes up for parole once per year. The last information

766
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: we could find was that in twenty nineteen she was

767
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: denied for the second time, So no telling. I guess

768
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: if she's out today, she could be out there right

769
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: now dancing in a salsa club near you. ESPN did

770
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: reach out to Lulu and try to get her side

771
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: of this story, but she never responded, which makes this

772
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: a really tough It makes it so tough, so hard,

773
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: because well, all we have is his side of the story, really,

774
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: I mean him in Mundo's But we don't know any

775
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: We don't really have her swearing on record to anyone

776
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: well that that he did that to her. We I mean,

777
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: we do in a way because she told her divorce lawyer,

778
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: and there's friends of hers that have come forward and said, yeah,

779
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: that Ramon was a piece of ship. He beat her,

780
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: he raped her, all this stuff. All of them just

781
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: heard it from her. But you know, I mean, this

782
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: is one of those cases. Yeah, that's that's how it goes.

783
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: When how how many times a woman goes to the

784
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: police and says or a lawyer and says, here, he

785
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: beat me, and the guy just says, like, as she

786
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: faked that, you know, and then she does something stupid

787
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: and that's all you need for her case to fall apart.

788
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: On the other hand, you know, she does do some

789
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: things that call her credibility into question because she, for example,

790
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: the nonprofit she called and made up claims that he

791
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: was embezzling from his nonprofit, and they did investigate that

792
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: and said there was nothing wrong with the nonprofit. He

793
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: was actually doing good things. So that's one where I'm like, Okay,

794
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: were you trying to undermine this guy's life and destroy

795
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: him so you could take all his money? I have

796
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: to say, as someone who runs a nonprofit, little mad

797
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: at these sponsors were not asking. Because nonprofit records are public,

798
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: you can go look at that ship if you feel confused.

799
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. Again, I don't know she even provided evidence,

800
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: or if they really just took her word for it

801
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: because that was his wife and they were like, okay,

802
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: she would know. I don't know, yeah, or if it's

803
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: just it was just like, well, there's claims out there.

804
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: This is getting messy. We got to back off of

805
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: our sponsorship for a minute. Yeah, which I could see too.

806
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: I get maybe if you're working with gang members, that's

807
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: already kind of dicey. I don't know. Yeah. And the

808
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: other side of it too, is that it's also possible

809
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: that she made up stories about him and bezzling from

810
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: his own nonprofit, and also he was abusing her physically. Yeah.

811
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: Absolutely mean those things could both be true too, So

812
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: I could just have been like, I need to say

813
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: what people will care about. It's hard to I mean

814
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: not fortunately I don't have to make a judgment on

815
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: this case, but it's it's hard to judge for myself. Now.

816
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: Mundo gave his interview to ESPN and said, quote, I

817
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: really appreciate this opportunity because nobody, nobody ever had asked

818
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: me how you know, how do you feel? He said?

819
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: Everyone involved got quote broken in a certain way, not

820
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: just Ramon, but him and Lulu as well well. Then

821
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 1: a local TV show made everything a million times worse

822
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: for Mundo by showing his face on TV and using

823
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: his real name. So, you know, we talked about how

824
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: going to the police was a huge risk for Mundo.

825
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: So now the gang knew what he had been up to.

826
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: He was in danger now, so the police got involved.

827
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: They had to pull the story from the internet, but

828
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: Mundo was soon getting threats against his life and the

829
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: lives of his wife and children. Mundo wrote a semi

830
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: autobiographical novel called My Son Mundo, about a man quote

831
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: forced to make a final decision after he's drawn back

832
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: into conflict with the law due to a threat to

833
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: his mentor and boxing trainer. Right, what you know, some

834
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: of this, of course really happened, but a lot of

835
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: it is made up, he says. But what he earned

836
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: from the book managed to get him safely out of Houston.

837
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Atkins gave Mundo his direct line and said, you know,

838
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: call me any time, but he said he never heard

839
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: from Undo again. Mundo says that he never got the

840
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: full protections he was promised, and says that someone said

841
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 1: he would pay to upgrade his security, but that never happened.

842
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: ESPN asked him if by someone he meant Ramone, and

843
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: Mundo simply replied, quote, if somebody helps you and saves

844
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: your life, you shouldn't leave them out to dry. Yeah, okay,

845
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: thrown a little shade in the ESPN article, But ram

846
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: Ome says that Mundo doesn't understand that Lulu left him

847
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: with a lot of debt. Um He's like, I don't

848
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: have anything to give you. He declared bankruptcy. He sold

849
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: the second gym and their two story house that hopefully

850
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 1: had a mural of PoCA outside. It's got a mural

851
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: of Benjamin Bratt. Benjamin Brat yural no, but he says

852
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 1: Mundo is still a top priority for him, and as

853
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: of Ramon was living in a small Houston apartment, and

854
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: he keeps a lot of his and Lulu's possessions in storage, saying, quote,

855
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: maybe I'll have a bonfire one day, you know, just

856
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: burn everything. Um, He says he spends a lot of

857
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: his time alone now he still gets nightmares. Living with

858
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: Lulu for those weeks when he knew that she wanted

859
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: him dead was extremely traumatizing. And then lying in a

860
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: ditch and seeing pictures of his own dead body just

861
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: shook him further. Yeah, I don't even know how I

862
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: would react in that situation. I can't even put myself there. Now.

863
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: Lulu had told Paco to make sure to take Ramone's

864
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: watch after he was dead, and now Ramon never takes

865
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: that watch off, like a superstition. Night Yeah, it's just

866
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: a yeah, just to remember, like this is what she's

867
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: trying to take from me. This would have this. Yeah,

868
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: if I took this off, it means I've died, right, Yeah?

869
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: Maybe so? Yeah. I mean I was in a short

870
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: film my friend Michael Paula directed one time, many many

871
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: years ago, and I and I died in it. And

872
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm like in a front seat of a car and

873
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: it was black and white so he used chocolate syrup

874
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,479
Speaker 1: works great for blood in a black and white movie.

875
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: By the way, her syrup. Yeah, um, so I've got

876
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: that all over my head. It's in my profile pictures somewhere.

877
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: But it's uh, it's spooky. Look at too. Yeah, it's weird.

878
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: I wanted that sometimes about like Sean Bean, how many

879
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: times have you seen yourself die? And is it right?

880
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: Does it feel weird? It must? And Lieutenant Atkins calls

881
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: Mundo the real hero here for quote having the moral

882
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: courage to come in and do what's right. But Mundo

883
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: says he quote appreciates the lieutenant's point of view, but

884
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. People will still see him as a rat.

885
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: He says, quote I saved my friend's life. That's all

886
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: that matters. And his feelings about Lulu are equally complicated.

887
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: CBS forty eight Hours asks him if he had anything

888
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: to say to Lulu if she was watching the show,

889
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: and he said, quote, redeem yourself. You don't have to

890
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: be what everybody tells you you are. You know, everybody

891
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: used to tell me I was something else. I proved

892
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: everybody wrong, so you could do the same. So that's

893
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: I mean, just like clearly at the center of this story,

894
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: poor Mundo, right, Like I really see him just literally

895
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: spinning plates in the air, trying to trying to save

896
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: everybody's life here as best he can, and trying so

897
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: hard to convince her like, girls, it's not a several times,

898
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: be sure you don't want You're sure you want to

899
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: go through it this And she's very stubborn. Yeah, she's

900
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: like right, I mean she's toughty special. Was totally free

901
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: on the CBS website and it's like forty minutes long.

902
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: You could see the whole documentary. Uh. The ESPN article

903
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: is very thorough, but the forty eight everything has a

904
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: lot of footage of you know, of recordings from their

905
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: conversations between Lulu and Mundo. It's got footage from when

906
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: they showed her the picture of her own in the

907
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: car and she laughed, and like there is a real coldness. Uh.

908
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: It is a little bone chilling, as Atkins called it.

909
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: Um she scares me. Is she definitely had murder in

910
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: her heart and wanted this guy dead. I cannot say

911
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: how I feel about whether or not that is because

912
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: Ramon abused her, Because it really might be. I'm not

913
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: going to discount that. I have to wonder because if

914
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: Ramona is telling the truth that he offered her an

915
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: even split divorce, she would have been way better. Rob

916
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,959
Speaker 1: she's over, she's done with the dude, she's got half

917
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: of whatever, and then she's on with her life. Now

918
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: she's twenty years in prison and she had to give

919
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: him the house in the gym. She has nothing. So

920
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: it's like, well, who would risk that to kill someone?

921
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: Unless he's lying and he did not offer her that.

922
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say he says he offered her

923
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: a split diffright, Well, that's what I'm saying. That's what

924
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to. I guess is I'm like, well, again,

925
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: unfortunately we only have his side, because what if he

926
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: was like, I'll never leave, you know, I'll never let

927
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: you leave. There's a lot of ways to abuse someone.

928
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: That's the other thing is that I'm like, if she's

929
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: like faked up, these scratched pictures, these pictures of scratches

930
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: on herself, Um, I can even see that as her

931
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: being like, well, I you know, he abuses me, I

932
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 1: feel abused, and emotionally I'm screamed dad, or he really

933
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 1: scares me, is like hitting the wall when he's mad,

934
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: and it makes me feel really threatened, But no one

935
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: will care about that because it's not physically. There's nothing

936
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: physically happening to me. So I'll make it look like

937
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: something physically is happening and then someone will care. Maybe

938
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: or it was just was this just ambition on her part,

939
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 1: you know, like I I, yeah, I'm gonna sacrifice this

940
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: split divorce in favor of I'm going all in. I'm

941
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: going for the full thing. I'm going to get him

942
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 1: one way or another. And you know, her first plan

943
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: was embezzlement. Can I get him arrested for something illegal?

944
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: Can I frame him for embezzling? Uh? And then when

945
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: that didn't work out, she's like, I wish I could

946
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: just kill this guy. And Mundo, you know, overheard that

947
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: and went to her and largely and mostly on Mundo's

948
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: side in this whole story at the end of it.

949
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: But there are some things we only got his side

950
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: of the story on two you know, I mean the

951
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: way he frames it, she was gonna hire a hit

952
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: man one way or the other, and he stepped in

953
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: to stop her. But I have wonder if he just

954
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: like walked away that night if it would have just

955
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: been a fleeing idea, and you know, she never would

956
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: have seriously pursued it until he walked up to her

957
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: and said, hey, I know a guy. Right of course,

958
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: that's sort of like, oh, this is real now. Yeah,

959
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: And I so wonder I wish I had gone to

960
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: trial In a lot of ways too. I wouldn't want

961
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: her to get a life sentence for this. That seems

962
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: crazy because nobody was hurt. But I don't think she's

963
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: she would like, she's going to be prone to hiring

964
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: assassins now, like you know what I mean, Like, I

965
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: don't think this would happen again. But um, in a trial,

966
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: I wonder if those kinds of things would come up where,

967
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: you know, I imagine her defense would say, like, y'all

968
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: led her into this, You convinced her to do this, mundo. Yeah.

969
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: In in in some ways it kind of feels like it.

970
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: It's tricky too, because the other side is that every

971
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 1: newspiece out there about this story is about the man

972
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: who escaped death from the crazy lady who wanted to

973
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: kill it, you know what I mean, Because again, they

974
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 1: only have his side of the story done. Some tours

975
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: and and you know, spoke about it a lot in

976
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: different places, and it's a thrilling, gripping story. And he

977
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: might be completely accurate about it, might be totally truthful

978
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: form from Ramon's side, but it's weird because everything is

979
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: very slanted towards like, but that was bullshit. He didn't

980
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: hurt her, she tried to kill him. Yeah. Well, and

981
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 1: and to your point, it makes more sense if she's

982
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 1: feeling vindictive about him, like he's hurting me, so I'm

983
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: gonna get him arrested for embezzlement. Oh that didn't work.

984
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try all these things to hurt him. It's

985
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: not even about the money anymore, right, it's I want

986
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: him hurt, see him hurt well. And beyond that, Ramon

987
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: maintains that their entire marriage was a set up. He

988
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: at this point, he said, when he was lying in

989
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: the ditch, he decided she never loved me. And he

990
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: even suggests that her stepping on his foot was a

991
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: set up. He was a local celebrity, he was well known.

992
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: You know, he's probably throwing money around this club and

993
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: you're the wolf that's an Atlantic that she was like,

994
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna snag this guy, and

995
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to take him for all these worth. That's

996
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: kind of what Ramon thought her long term plan was

997
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: looking back at it. So to him, it wasn't about like, oh,

998
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: I did something to make her want to do this.

999
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: She always wanted to do this eventually. What a different

1000
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: character she has depending on how you look at it.

1001
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: That'sn't just again, really wish she'd talk, because at least

1002
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: you have some kind of notion, you know, about who

1003
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: who she is a person, because all we have is

1004
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: like this cold, very cold hearted kind of woman who

1005
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: on her side is like, I'm trying to escape an

1006
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: abusive man and I thought that if I left him,

1007
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have any money. And that's a common story too.

1008
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I I'm and I'd like to

1009
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: judge someone right away. Ramon also says that Lulu was

1010
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: using her marriage to him to get citizenship for her

1011
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: mother and two kids, and so he said that as

1012
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: soon as that happened, Oh, how convenient that that's when

1013
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: our marriage started to fall apart. Okay, I mean, but hey,

1014
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: very similarly, how difficult is that for her to get

1015
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: citizenship for her mom, who doesn't live in the States

1016
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: and her and her to teenage kids. I don't know.

1017
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: It's one of those things too where I'm like, I'm

1018
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: not saying that she deliberately married this guy just for

1019
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: that purpose, but you can look back at it and

1020
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: say she did, when in fact it's just she was

1021
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: just like, had no other path before her. Mm hmm.

1022
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: This is reminding me a lot of John and the

1023
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: Rain Now, Bobbit, and it feels like it should have

1024
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: ended where they were, kind of like you both really

1025
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: fucked up and let's just wash our hands of this

1026
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: to move on with your lives. Secondly, UM, I don't

1027
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: know it. Twenty years is a long time, but I

1028
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: mean to try to kill someone that seems accurate. On

1029
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: the other hand, I feel frustrated. I think of, of course,

1030
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: many a case has come to my mind where somebody

1031
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: got nothing very lights lap for much worse, doing much

1032
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: worse to someone chantizing people much further, and they get

1033
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: three months six months a year. So it's like twenty years.

1034
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: It feels like kind of overkill. But I guess she

1035
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: does an opportunity every year. Opportunity every year. Um. You

1036
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: know again, I can't imagine these only news stories out

1037
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: there about these people don't kind of color people's opinions

1038
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: about her too, you know. And I mean again, I

1039
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: watched the footage of her, and yeah, she comes off

1040
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: as cold and uncaring and a little crazy when she

1041
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: laughs about him being dead and stuff. But you know,

1042
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: we watched him many movies and we see people, no seriously,

1043
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: we we see people behaving certain ways and we think

1044
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: that's something about their character. But I have spoken to

1045
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: people who seem cold and uncaring and they're not mean,

1046
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: they're not killers. That's just they just have a personality

1047
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: like that, like they've Lulu has never had everything hated her.

1048
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: She is a beautiful person, um, so she's had that

1049
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: privilege to a degree, but she's also had to work

1050
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: really hard and probably yeah, has had to lie just

1051
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: to get safely into a place where she felt comfortable

1052
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: in the past. And she doesn't know anybody being real

1053
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: friendly and smiley all the time. No, very true. So

1054
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: it's just so tough, and laughter can be a trauma response.

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Speaker 1: You heard the laugh, So I don't know, but I

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Speaker 1: know that it it's weird to just be like, well,

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Speaker 1: she laughed, so that must mean And it's like sometimes

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Speaker 1: you laugh because that's the catharsist that happened, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not something you choose. She was glad he was

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Speaker 1: dead when she laughed. I mean, that was clear. And

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Speaker 1: but also again that's another thing too. She told she

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Speaker 1: thought she was in the car with two hit men,

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Speaker 1: and she told them, oh, yeah, this guy beat me

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Speaker 1: and that's why I had you kill him. Why would

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Speaker 1: she lie to them? They don't need to know that,

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Speaker 1: Why would they care? Why would they care? But he's

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Speaker 1: but she heard, you know, he said sorry, but you know,

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Speaker 1: Paco said, oh yeah. The guy wondered why this was happening,

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Speaker 1: and she laughed and said, because he's stupid, idiot. It's

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Speaker 1: because you punched me. That's why. Why couldn't you Why

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Speaker 1: can't you see that? Like? Who's she lying too? At

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Speaker 1: that point? And then part of me wants to say, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but if she really felt like he abused her and

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Speaker 1: that she had some evidence for it, why did she

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Speaker 1: take the plea deal? Why didn't she fighting court? But

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Speaker 1: come on, that's also a stupid question to ask, because

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Speaker 1: of course, why didn't she fighting court? Whose side does

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01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: the court always take in these cases? Virtually always? You know,

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Speaker 1: a woman who like says he hit me, he roped me,

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01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: or the guy who's like, no, everybody says, I'm a

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Speaker 1: good guy, a great guy I want to talk about.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. She might have felt like I'm going

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Speaker 1: to get sentenced to life if i take this to trial,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, I'll take the twenty years, right, or her

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01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: lawyer or the cops were able to convince her of

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01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: that and that she took it too. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of stories of that too, people taking plea deals they

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01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: never should have taken because they could have, you know,

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01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: but somebody told him and they took that advice. This

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01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: is a toughie. I'm going to officially stamped this one

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01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: undecided for myself, an official undecided stamp. Why do we

1092
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: get that made a real waste of money. This case

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01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: is officially still wide open. I'm sure we could go

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01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:43,439
Speaker 1: back and forth on it all day. But I think

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01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: the point is this is an insane story. I mean,

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01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: this man had just a line of ditch plan a

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01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: law and ordered dead body. No thank you. If you

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01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: ever hire someone to kill me, they're gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: Damn it. I'm not lying in a ditch covering makeup Wow,

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01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: we've gone from low bollom to give them everything you

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01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: have to do. If they're gonna do it, they can't

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Speaker 1: fake it. I want to really die for sure. I

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Speaker 1: just want to put on the record here that Diana

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01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: tells me all the time that she's going to be

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01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: the one to kill me one day from old age.

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01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: Old age so fun without torturing your your whole life

1107
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: with your presents. But you do you know how much

1108
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: I've aged since we got together. You have not yet

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01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: begun to age. So um, reach out and help because

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Speaker 1: I blam to rest right now. Uh so please let

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01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: us know if you can help me. But I check

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Speaker 1: the email too, so be careful. Yeah. In fact, DM

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Speaker 1: me on Instagram. Uh if you want to listen email

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Speaker 1: it's predick Romance at gmail dot com. I'm a little

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01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: afraid to give my details now because you might go

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Speaker 1: to the cops. They've got him. But it's a Twitter

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Speaker 1: and Instagram. It's at Dynamite Boom and I if you,

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01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: if you for some reason want to message me independently,

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Speaker 1: am at Oh great, it's Eli and the show is

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Speaker 1: at ridic Romance and I do read those messages. Be

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Speaker 1: careful writing code for Eli, Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: tuning in. We'd love to hear your thoughts and we

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Speaker 1: would love to catch you the next episode. Love you bye,

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01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: so long friends, it's time to go. Thanks so listening

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Speaker 1: to our show. Tell your friends name's uncle Sindez to

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Speaker 1: listen to a show ridiculous. Well n