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Speaker 1: Yes we are here. We have a lot to talk

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Speaker 1: about and I would not want to talk about it

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Speaker 1: with anyone other than my wonderful co host Ashley. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Well Ben and I couldn't even hold on three hours

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Speaker 1: it's funny because after I hung up with you, my

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Speaker 1: call that has the screeners so that we can talk

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Speaker 1: to them too? Because so outrageous. Yeah, well here here's

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Speaker 1: and and here's the format of today's episode. This the

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Speaker 1: reason Ashley called me and the reason that we decided

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Speaker 1: to talk about it before we even came on the

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Speaker 1: podcast today, because it was a hard episode to watch,

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Speaker 1: especially the last third of this episode. We know that

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Speaker 1: a lot of you have very strong opinions and it's

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Speaker 1: I mean obviously very very yeah as with do we uh,

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Speaker 1: it was um, it was hard. It was hard for

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Speaker 1: I had to admit to Astley, I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: I watched this and I'm not always great at and

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Speaker 1: you know we've done it over and over again where

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Speaker 1: somebody's had to correct us or you know, fans don't

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Speaker 1: see it the same way we do. I was like,

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Speaker 1: how everybody else feels. I have to understand that going

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Speaker 1: in today's episode not not everybody's gonna have as the

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Speaker 1: same reaction I do. But when I watched this, I

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Speaker 1: I can't say that this was awful to watch. It

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Speaker 1: was not okay. Well, in my opinion, I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's any other way of seeing this episode other than

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Speaker 1: Clayton's reaction towards Susie is truly disturbing. I think it

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Speaker 1: shows a side of him that we haven't seen before,

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Speaker 1: and that's in seeing it makes me so glad that

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Speaker 1: Susie and possibly none of these girls end up with him.

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Speaker 1: That's a strong statement. Actually you stand by that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: right now? I do. Maybe I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it was kind of a kind of a

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Speaker 1: scary side. The term gas lighting is just so new

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Speaker 1: people are like, okay, yeah, that term this going around.

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Speaker 1: But like today, I hope you and I can actually

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Speaker 1: but what actually was it inside of this that was

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Speaker 1: so upsetting for us to see and probably for Susie

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Speaker 1: almost famous podcast and also have Sierra Jackson. Manipulation at

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Speaker 1: But none of this, none of being upset with Clayton

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Speaker 1: didn't leave with that. So I lost. And I could

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00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 1: care less about Wow. I feel I could care less

427
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 1: not screen job, I could less not Cloud, I can

428
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 1: care less about anything else. I could care less. I

429
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 1: have a great job, a great apartment. I love my

430
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 1: life like I'm living me, So I could give lust.

431
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 1: But she went on for a reason, and I'm that reason.

432
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,239
Speaker 1: She got it. She didn't care about getting the man.

433
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: She wanted Cloud, and she wanted exposure, and she got it.

434
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: So she wanted and what she came for, and so

435
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 1: I mean, she played her cards right for her and

436
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 1: what she wants. And so that's the devil's advocate right here.

437
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: If you and some of the other girls were saying

438
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: that you were really into it, and then why stick

439
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: around if it weren't for followers, Cloud and all that.

440
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: So me, I'm thinking, okay, you know what, but if

441
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: he is really a good guy, what if these red claws,

442
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 1: which is I'm drumming to conclusions, like you know, see

443
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: her just like wait it out, given more time. By

444
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: the time I got to Houston, kids, you not, I

445
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: I lost my shop the night of the cocktail party

446
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: when I'm in the green dress, I lost my shop,

447
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,719
Speaker 1: entirely lost it. And obviously it's a show. But like

448
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I lost my show so much again this

449
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: McDonald's afterwards, which you should know, you should know, that's

450
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: the luxury that was like our target run literally so

451
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: so I I was so upset and I was like,

452
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 1: I'm done with this. I'm done, upon I'm done. I

453
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 1: know I'm here for entertainment. I'm a quota. I want

454
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: to get the out, send me home, like this is

455
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: not my person, It's not for me, It's not gonna happen.

456
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: I've tried, I've been optimistic, I've been you know, positive,

457
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: and it's not it. So just let me go back

458
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: to my life. And finally that happened. So but but

459
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: me like, yeah, to answer your question, I was ready

460
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: to kick rocks and up and it's and I mean

461
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: I would have to say too, that's not all bad, right,

462
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: because like it's fair for the show to say that

463
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: to you because it's it obviously moves so fast, there's

464
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: so much going on. I remember when I was at

465
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: the lead, there was women there that the same comment

466
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: was made to me, Hey, you don't send them home

467
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: maybe yet, like there's more to get to know about it.

468
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,239
Speaker 1: And if I said no, I'm very for sure this

469
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: is not the one for me, they just said, okay,

470
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: go ahead, like it's fine. But there was always that

471
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: there's more to get to know and at some level,

472
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, if anything, it allowed you to be around

473
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: and make more friends. But I think the idea of hey,

474
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: there's still more to get to discover. The show doesn't

475
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: really know if Clayton is gonna come out of his shell.

476
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: The show doesn't know if he's gonna blossom. It could

477
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: be that they're like, we see this guy behind the

478
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: scenes when there's no cameras and he's like the most

479
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: amazing guy, and then he gets on camera and like,

480
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: we see what you're saying. Series he shuts down, and

481
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: so we're hoping in two weeks Clayton thrives and shines

482
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: and you fall for him. So I don't even have

483
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: a problem with them telling to stick around. I don't

484
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: have a problem with that. Yeah, and I didn't either,

485
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: because the things like that was the only thing is

486
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: like the version that everyone sees on camera, that's the

487
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: version we were given. We weren't given this Instagram version

488
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: of clay and we were giving this snaphop version of

489
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: Twitter version of personality. We weren't given any of that.

490
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: We were given exactly what you guys see, which is

491
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: is is not enough to want to marry someone. And

492
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,239
Speaker 1: so you know that's it. So so you know me,

493
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 1: I'm wanting more, and I mean, I know that I

494
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: don't mean and I know what I need to fall

495
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: in love with and on what I need to have

496
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: like a lasting relationship, and I'm needing a lot more.

497
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: And so I'm just being optimistic, like you know, I

498
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: have nothing to lose. I'm already here. If they're telling

499
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: you a way, then yeah, of course they want me

500
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: to make sure like absolutely that whatever it doesn't work,

501
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: it's because it didn't work, not because I gave up

502
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: or didn't give it time or whatever. So I get

503
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: a while they're telling me to just like see what happens,

504
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 1: and so I did. Um, but like you know, like

505
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: I said before, like you know, the longer I stayed,

506
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: the more the more red flags I saw. It didn't

507
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: it didn't really clear up anything, and just kind of

508
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: got worse. And then for me, yeah, what were those

509
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: red flags that you guys were seeing? Gosh? Okay, so

510
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was a laundry list, but it's like,

511
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, all right, go ahead, yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

512
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: So it starts off biggest red flag. Okay, started up

513
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: with a big one. We obviously have a children's group date, right,

514
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: Hilary Duff From the beginning, Okay, the main purpose of

515
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: this day is to see how well we work with children,

516
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: because he wants children someday. He's passionate about kids, okay,

517
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: he But yet he gives a group date rows to

518
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: a woman that did nothing with the kids, never helped

519
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: out with the kids, was never part of the party,

520
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: didn't do anything with the children. So that right there

521
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: as a red flag. I'm like, okay, she didn't do anything.

522
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: She was by the pool with you making out. She

523
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: wasn't involved, She wasn't doing anything. She was also drinking

524
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: around the kids, not really like involved at all, but

525
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: yet she deserved a group at ROWS. So that was

526
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: my first red flag. That was huge to me, um.

527
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: And then after that, my next one was on the

528
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: night that he sent Elizabeth home, he had pulled Day

529
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: and Elizabeth the chat, and he did not really have

530
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: a real conversation without either of them to break it

531
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: down and and dissect what the actual issue is. He

532
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: kind of just stepped there and let them go at it.

533
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: And then I was like okay. Then like he didn't,

534
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: he didn't. There was no proactive discussion at all. And

535
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: then after that he sends Elizabeth home. So that was

536
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: the next red flag to me, And then I asked

537
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: him about it, and he told me that he sent

538
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: her home because she was being aggressive during their chat

539
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: and that she was the one like kind of getting

540
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: an attitude with Sina and she was very calm, and

541
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: so he yes, right, and that's what he tells me though,

542
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: and so I'm like okay, and this is in the moment,

543
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: so I'm like okay, Like Okay, that makes sense because

544
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm questioning your actions, but this makes sense. But then

545
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: I watched it back when it aired, and I'm like,

546
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: Janey is freaking out and Elizabeth is being calm, so

547
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: what and so that was that was like interesting to me.

548
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: And it's all happens after Nai is freaking out and

549
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: talking to Clay and on the group days and didn't

550
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: causing all this strama, and he keeps believing Say and

551
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: dismissing everybody else, and so it was all just a

552
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: really big red flag because it was ultimately I'm gonna

553
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: believe say and anything anything that Shane says, and I'm

554
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: not gonna believe anybody else in the house. And when

555
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: Susie tells you something and talk to you about something

556
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: I did, Elizabeth like, I mean, if you don't want

557
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: to believe me because I'm I see my drama, or

558
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: you don't want to believe anybody else, okay, that's my

559
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: but believe Stuzie. And Susie comes up to you and says, hey,

560
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: this is a red flag. This isn't right. I'm concerned,

561
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, good, should I hears a rose

562
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: like no, that's a huge red flag. And so that happened,

563
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: and then you know all those little things you're in there,

564
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: you just kind of kept showing. You know that he

565
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: you know it doesn't really have that much of a

566
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: back phone, and and that he thinks with the wrong head.

567
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: And I wait until you see tonight. I would love

568
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: to have you on next week just so you can

569
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: have you could share more thoughts, but you let do it, yes,

570
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: special segment the Honesty Hour with Sierra every week. Oh

571
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: that's so cute. I like that, Sierra, as we as

572
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 1: we let you go here in just a few minutes.

573
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: I do want to touch on Women till All. We've

574
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: talked a lot about your season and kind of you know,

575
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: all the women's thoughts on Clayton and all of that,

576
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: but obviously Women Tell All was, um, well, I don't

577
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: know if I don't know if you're a huge fan

578
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: of Almost Famous podcast. I'm assuming you are and that

579
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: you listen to it every week, but if you haven't

580
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: got a chance to listen to yesterday's episode, Ashley and

581
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: I found this Woman Tell All um hard to watch

582
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: for multiple reasons. Um, it felt like a lot of yelling,

583
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: which is never easy for me to to uh, to

584
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: listen to you just because I can't hear um what's

585
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: going on. It felt like there wasn't really a moderator.

586
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Jesse didn't step in, but typically like

587
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,719
Speaker 1: that is the host job is to calm the storm,

588
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: and maybe he just felt like it wasn't appropriate or whatever.

589
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: For you, can you explain what it was like to

590
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: be in that room and what it felt like not

591
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: only emotionally but also just physically to be there amongst

592
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: all of this. Uh? And then how do you feel

593
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: now after watching it back? So being in the room,

594
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: being back there, I was, I was really just like

595
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: kind of fed up and exhausted. Um just with like

596
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: she really and like her lying and all of her

597
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: bull crap and obviously you know, annoying with some things

598
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: with Clayton right and being there. You know, I don't

599
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: think that people realize that the filming of a woman

600
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: to all is long. It takes hours hours, eight hours. Yeah,

601
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: so whenever, so, and I want to say what he

602
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: like everyone saw because it was a lot and it

603
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: was emotional and it was stressful. But for me, I'm

604
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: very protective and that's just how I am, Like I

605
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: was raised with you know, like me and my sisters

606
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: raised each other, parents weren't like really around all too much,

607
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: and so, um, I have the mentality like to protect

608
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: the ones I love. So when I look back and

609
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: I see how hurt she made my friends, it hurts

610
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: me and it makes me very very angry, And like,

611
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: no one's gonna understand that views and watches they're not

612
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: because they're not there behind the scenes. They're not there

613
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: at night time, they're not there after the show's filming,

614
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: they're not there for any of it, so they don't

615
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: need to see how mentally affective some of these girls were.

616
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: By Shinney okay period, and so or clay In really either.

617
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: So whenever I was able to see that this is

618
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: Woman Tell All, it's Woman Tell All. That's literally the name.

619
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell anything that I can and say

620
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: whatever I can. And it's really sad because they cut

621
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: out a lot of good things too that I got

622
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: to say, um, that we're not so aggressive or they

623
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: start that. There were other things that I just made

624
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: really good points on that weren't hype. But for the

625
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: eight hours I will tell you the eight hours of filming,

626
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: everything they showed, they they were showing of me. Was

627
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: everything I said in eight hours crammed into hours, except

628
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: for one or two things that they left up. And

629
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: so if you can take my eight hours of commentary

630
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: and ramming into two hours, obviously that's gonna be a lot.

631
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: I was not, like, you know what I mean, that's

632
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: gonna seem like a lot, and it's gonna seem like

633
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: a lot of interjecting. It's gonna seem like a lot

634
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: of shotting. But that wasn't all shouting crammed in at

635
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: that time. It was literally over a span of eight

636
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: hours of filming and then allbviously clipping, cutting and piecing together,

637
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: and other women said things. Other women said a lot

638
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: of hype things. You know, a lot of women were

639
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 1: getting upset. There was a lot of yelling and screaming,

640
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: and there wasn't a lot of control. And so there

641
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: are times when you do see me saying like shutting

642
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: up other people and being like hey stop, because those

643
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: were times that I did actually because before that happened,

644
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: they're all getting hype and they're just yelling. They're just yelling.

645
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: They're not really saying anything, they're just yelling, right, And

646
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm spitting there and they're just yelling and there's no

647
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: actual valid point being made. They're just literally saying mean

648
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: things like just yelling, and I have a vo a point.

649
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell them to stop talking. I'm gonna stay

650
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: stop talking and shosh, let me say this really quick

651
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: and you havent go back to yelling. But like, I

652
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: just want to make at this one point. And so

653
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: I did that probably like three times, you know. But

654
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: the three times I did it because they didn't show

655
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: everything else. It does look like I'm just not letting

656
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: other people speak. But other people were speaking, and other

657
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: people were shouting and yelling and sharing what they wanted

658
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: to share as I just sat there and looked around,

659
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: And when I finally had something to say, I was like,

660
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: hold up, stop talking, let me say this real quick,

661
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: not for a scene and start yelling again, you know. So,

662
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: but it was very crazy and hectic, and it was

663
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, Jerry Springer vibes. It was

664
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: crazy like it was, and I'm not gonna lie like

665
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: it was, but I will say like everything I said

666
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: was valid, and I don't I don't take any of

667
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: it back. And like the emotions that I felt whenever

668
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: I was speaking were the emotions at that time and

669
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: being upset because you know, viewers don't see Scha denying

670
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: something over and over again. You know, she denies it

671
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: three times. By the third time, I'm like, are you

672
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: kidding me? And I'm going off on her and they're

673
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: clipping the are you kidding me saying it's like, you know,

674
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: not really showing the whole context of the fact that

675
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: she's just denying something over and over over again, or

676
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: she's saying like, I mean, there was a few times

677
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: where she literally points seeing me out and she's like, Sierra,

678
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: Genevieve and and Elizabeth, you're fake. You guys are fake.

679
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: Everything about she is big or blah blah blah blah blah,

680
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, and so we're literally like, how are we fake?

681
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: Like can you please just tell us how, Like, just

682
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: give us any reason why. We'll listen to it. Our here.

683
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: We're trying to be receptive, like we want to hear

684
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: you out, we really really do, so please tell us how.

685
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: And she's like, well, you just are, you know you are,

686
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: and we're like, we'll just give us a reason. So

687
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: that's my thing is that it was very frustrating because

688
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: of what the all the things that went on, it

689
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: was us a lot. It was a lot of denial.

690
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: It was a lot of pointing fingers. It was a

691
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: lot of hypocrisy. And some people can sit at and

692
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: just stay calm, and then there's other people like me

693
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: who are just gonna get fed up and annoyed and snap.

694
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: And so that's what I did, is I snapped because

695
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: obviously I have nothing to lose on the show. You

696
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: don't see me super snap because I'm over here like

697
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 1: trying to have on my best behavior and I don't

698
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: want to look a certain way or be a stereo

699
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: type or blah blah blah, and on this one at all,

700
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have nothing to lose. I could care

701
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: less at this point. This is like you're being stupid.

702
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you like it is, and I'm gonna

703
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be emotional and if people don't like it,

704
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: then they can kick rocks. I don't care. But I've

705
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: never what it is. I've never heard anybody else use

706
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: the phrase kick rocks. I use it on this podcast

707
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: a lot and never heard anybody else ever use it.

708
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: And so thank you for that. Um I say it

709
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: all the time. It's like my favorite thing because I

710
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: was just imagined somebody with their hands in their pockets,

711
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: like kicking rocks down the driveway or gravel road, like

712
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: so good, it's so far. All right, Well we do

713
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: have to let you go, but before we leave, I

714
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: want I got one question for you, just because it

715
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: didn't seem like you love your portrayal during Women tell

716
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: all you wanted to leave the Bachelor? Would you do

717
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: Bachelor in Paradise? I don't know, come on, I it

718
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: really is up in the act. I don't think you

719
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: all really truly realized, like how over it I was

720
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: during during the actual filming as a Bachelor, and then

721
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: by the time I came back and now like watching

722
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: it back, I mean it's like now a woman's at

723
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: all and now I'm getting all these racist comments from

724
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: random people from woman's at all, and so like for me,

725
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it would be a cool experience,

726
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: I think, but ultimately, like really truly truly, like I

727
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: just want to get married and have kids, Like I

728
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: want to get married, I want to have kids. I

729
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: want to have a family. I want to live in

730
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: Texas not paying co tax and live my best life, like, like,

731
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: that's what I want. I really truly don't. I'm not

732
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: trying to get famous, I'm not trying to get cloud like.

733
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: I don't care, Like I just want a family and

734
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: I want to have like little babies that look like

735
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: me running around. Yeah, and I just don't know if

736
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find not. So Yeah, well Ashley did and

737
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: you can hear the results of that as podcast. This

738
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: is a podcast or a Paradise baby. Well, Siara, we

739
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: hope to see you in paradise. There's a couple of

740
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: reasons why. One, Um, I do think you spoke your mind. Obviously,

741
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: as you said, every time you spoke your mind, it

742
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: was shown, and so it feels like you spoke your

743
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: mind the whole time. And I know you did sit

744
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: and listen and then respond, uh, and I know how

745
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: this plays out. I also think, uh, that you're really

746
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: good to have around because I do think that you

747
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: speak up what is going on in your heart, and

748
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: I think that's always positive. And I'm sorry that people

749
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: have been mean to you since last night's episode and

750
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: probably even before that. Uh, You're not alone in that. Uh.

751
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: You know, I'm obviously a white dude. Sitting here. So

752
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: I can't tell you that I've gotten the same kind

753
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: of comments, but I can tell you that there's not

754
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: one person that does this show that does not receive

755
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: some type of uh, painful comments coming out of it. UH.

756
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: And so whatever um you choose to do, we're thankful

757
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: for you coming on the day and hanging out with us.

758
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: Uh and we respect your voice a lot. So hey,

759
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: thank you, and UM we hope to talk to you again.

760
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: You're a good guest. Thank you so much better, appreciate

761
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: you so much, by thank you, by y'all. Obviously, Ciri

762
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: was an incredible guest with a lot of insight. UM.

763
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: She's one of those people that come off the show

764
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: that does speak her mind, and that is especially for

765
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: a podcast. Always appreciate it. I think it was also appreciated. UM.

766
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: It sounds like by the group of friends that she

767
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: had and how else because I do think she supported

768
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: them well, Ashley. Uh. In our last final moments here

769
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: as we close out this this podcast, we do want

770
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: to run through this episode, uh that we had three

771
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: Fantasy Suite dates, the first to UM obviously, one with Gabby,

772
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: one with Rachel. UM. You know, it felt like to me.

773
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: The storyline throughout was hey, he's into him and there

774
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: into him, and uh, it kind of was like the

775
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: moderator behind the scenes was Susie just continuing to reinforce

776
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: into all the viewers mind like are they going to

777
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: sleep together or not? Like that was kind of my thoughts. Yeah,

778
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: at the end, it was just like Susie's leaving. Susie's leaving,

779
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: So you know the first two dates. Uh, I wasn't shocked,

780
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: I think because of how many teasers we've gotten that

781
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: he expressed love for both of them. I obviously am

782
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: not in a place to judge him. There I'm watching,

783
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: going I get it, and I could go on and on,

784
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: and we've done it many times on this podcast about

785
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, you're in this situation and what that feels

786
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: like and you know it's chaotic and you can't really

787
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: get your thoughts straight and only thoughts you know how

788
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: to communicate are the ones that you're feeling at that moment.

789
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: And so he obviously says this, and I'm sitting there

790
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: going like, for for, I bet my name is brought

791
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: up tonight on Twitter more than it's been in like

792
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: four years, Like, I bet, I bet he you know,

793
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: he held or I held his beer. Uh, and he

794
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: he went off and did this in ways that I

795
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: never dreamed of doing it. But I cannot criticize him

796
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: for that. But that is the first part of this episode.

797
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: Are those dates going well in theory for that relationship,

798
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: him sleeping with both um telling both that he loved them, uh,

799
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: telling making the one thing here that I do think

800
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: and you could probably argue I did the same thing,

801
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: um falling in love versus in love. Yeah, I mean

802
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 1: I think that was I think that's like at some level,

803
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 1: like I would argue it's semantics, like I can't give myself,

804
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: I can't give myself a break there, right, Like I

805
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: do think that you could argue that I did the

806
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: same thing. And so I'm not like saying, you know,

807
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: I'm holier now here, but probably something I could be

808
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: criticized for and admit to that I don't love that

809
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: I did. That I don't love that he did. Is

810
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: I think he led both to believe that they were

811
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: the one for him. And I think that's a problem

812
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: because I think in his mind, at least from what

813
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: we see at the end of the episode, Susie was

814
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: the one for him, But yet he is making those

815
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: girls feel like they're the one for him, which probably

816
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: makes them, you know, relax, have more fun, come back

817
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: all giddy, like, oh I just found my husband. And again,

818
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: if there's anybody that should be criticized for this, or

819
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: they could sit in the same campus him, it's me.

820
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: But I just don't think it was good. I don't

821
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: think it was good that I did it. I don't

822
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: think it was good that he did. I don't think

823
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: it's a wise decision. On the show, you know, when

824
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: you did it, it seemed like it was almost like

825
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: an accident. You're like, oh, right, well I didn't think that. Yeah.

826
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: I was like I went back and pounding my head

827
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: against my pillow in my hotel room and like, I'm

828
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. Like that

829
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: was word vomit for you. It's like you really did.

830
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: I feel like you really feel that, but you didn't

831
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: mean to actually say it out loud to both And

832
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: then with Clayton, it was like very intentional, like he

833
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: wanted them to know this, like he thought he was

834
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: doing the right thing, and he even kind of mentioned

835
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: that to Serene during Women Tell All he was like,

836
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: you made me make the you know, in so little work.

837
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: He's like, you made me made the make the decision

838
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: that I should just be open and honest about my

839
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: feelings towards everyone. And I really think that that was

840
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: what was going through his head when he intentionally said, like,

841
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: I love you to all three women, and I mean

842
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: I would love to give myself the benefit of the doubt.

843
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think you're not wrong. I know

844
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: my reaction once that day, those days were over, and

845
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: I know that I went back and like paste around

846
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: my Jamaican hotel room and was like you are so

847
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: dumb then, like you cannot do this right. You've messed

848
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: this whole thing up. So I get Yeah, I mean

849
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: I felt a lot of like, um guilt, I guess

850
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: because of this. But I also am now, you know,

851
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: years out, married, happily married, moved on, and I can say, hey,

852
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: I just don't think it was a good decision that

853
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: I made. Don't think it was aod decision he made. Okay,

854
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: so onto his worst decision, um one that is a

855
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: very serious matter is he sits down with Susie. They

856
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: have a great date. Put up, well, do they have

857
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: a great date. I think I am over analyzing thee

858
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: but I still feel like she was losing interest, or

859
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: maybe I'm misinterpreting that. Maybe it was just her worry,

860
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: like her worried like, oh what happened with the others.

861
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: I'm very like, I'm keeping you at a distance because

862
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how I'm going to feel about you

863
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: when we actually have this conversation later. I think, yeah,

864
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: so I was until you just finished that I was

865
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: going to disagree with you. I don't think she was

866
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: losing interest. I think her mind was elsewhere. I think

867
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: her mind was on the conversation they were going to

868
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: have at dinner the whole time, and I'm assuming she

869
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: never felt like it was appropriate to have it as

870
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: they're dancing in a steam shower or they're running through ice,

871
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: like that doesn't feel like the right time to have this,

872
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: And so she made it through that to have the

873
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: conversation later. And I do think there was that sense

874
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: of I'm not in this right now, and I'm just

875
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: hoping that the worst or what my mind is, what

876
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: I'm thinking in my mind is not true. Okay, so

877
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: you're pulling up the quotes um and as you do

878
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: that this is how the date goes on. They have

879
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: their morning portion. Ashton, I just mentioned it felt distance,

880
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: but I think we could blame that on her mind

881
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: being elsewhere. They sit down at dinner and at some

882
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: point Susie within that dinner says, here's my concerns, here's

883
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: where my mind's at your You've just told me that

884
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: you love me, um, and I obviously am very into you,

885
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: and I'm falling in love with you or I am

886
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 1: in love with you, but I need to know if

887
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: you have been intimate with anybody else, Like are you

888
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: telling these other women the same thing? So the first

889
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 1: question I have for you, Ashley and for the audience listening,

890
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: and you can answer, they can answer to as they

891
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: hear this. Was it appropriate for Susie to ask Clayton

892
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: on the spot about the other relationships going on at

893
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: the time? I think, yes, Why? Why? Because I think

894
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: it's an okay thing. I think it's something you should know. Um.

895
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: I know you said yesterday You're like, it's different with

896
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: the Bachelor because like the start of your relationship is

897
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: kind of like when you leave just the two of you.

898
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 1: But I think it's totally fair to know if you're

899
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: like saying I love you, or like falling or like

900
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: having sex with somebody else before you get engaged to

901
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: that person. I would say the same thing. I would say,

902
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: it would be a really hard position to be in

903
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: as the lead if that's you know, the decisions that

904
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: you've made. Um, I don't think it would be an

905
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: ideal like to be put up in a position to

906
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: have to answer it. But I think at this point

907
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 1: in a relationship is you're a week away from getting engaged.

908
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: Any questions on the table, like, yeah, you should not

909
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: like fair, It's all fair, Like it is all fair.

910
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: Even the hardest conversations are fair because you're about to

911
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: get engage with somebody. And if we're really if this

912
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: show really is going to form healthy loving relationships, you

913
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: know this with being married. Our listeners know this if

914
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: they've been in a really healthy, loving relationship. Hard questions

915
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: are asked all the time, and like that's part of it,

916
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: the communication their fact. Okay, so we've gotten through that hurdle.

917
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: The second step is Clayton's response is he is honest.

918
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: It's obviously throws him off and he feels defensive, but

919
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: he is honest and he tells that's the thing. At first,

920
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: I didn't really like it right, and then all of

921
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: a sudden he's like, I hate you, okay, but he

922
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: answered it, so so we get to this point in

923
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: time where he has answered the question honestly. As we

924
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: mentioned the beginning of the podcast, there is a really

925
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: good way this conversation could have occurred and happened. They

926
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: both could have talked it out. They might have still

927
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: separated and gone their separate ways, because hey, Susie is

928
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: just like, I can't get over this and this is

929
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: too weird for me, and you slept with people when

930
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: you're gonna That would have been an okay result of

931
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: all this. But it's how then, between her leaving and

932
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: him having his first initial response, or maybe even her

933
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: question that this thing gets ugly, so fast and so

934
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 1: horrible to watch. Ashley, you called me obviously you're watching

935
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: with your sister and your friend, and you were like,

936
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 1: we gotta call somebody that's seen it. At what point

937
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: did you go, oh my gosh, like this is no

938
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: longer even fun for me to watch. This is hard

939
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: for me to watch. Okay. The point was when he says,

940
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: you've invalidated everything we have what because she didn't tell

941
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: you before the Fantasy Suite week that she would have

942
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: preferred you not sleep with everyone. Wow. No, Yeah, that

943
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: being said, I don't have an issue with him choosing

944
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: to sleep with people. My issue, which you said earlier

945
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: in the show, is is choice of words, how he's

946
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 1: treating her, how he's flipping this whole situation on like

947
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: it being her fault that that they are no longer

948
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: going to work out, and at its simplest level, like

949
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: if we just totally like like boiled this down to

950
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: how this whole conversation went, it was Clayton continuing to

951
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: try to make Susie feel like it was her fault. Yeah,

952
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: which is the definition of gaslighting. It is, And it

953
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: was awful to see because there was no admittance on

954
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: his part of yes, I made this decision. I didn't

955
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: know like that this was gonna hurt you. He's not

956
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: the first lead, as we mentioned yesterday, to sleep with

957
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: multiple people. I promise you that he might, and like

958
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: there's some leads that don't sleep with anybody, there's some

959
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: leads that might just sleep with one. But he's not

960
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 1: the first lead guy or girl to sleep with multiple people.

961
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: In the fantasy sweets before they get engaged. Okay, so

962
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: we can't be like Clayton, You're terrible that we just can't.

963
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: But to finish this, I also have never seen a

964
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: lead respond, at least in my memory. There might have

965
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: been one, but like we're talking about this scenario. Yeah,

966
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: with the this was the standard. This is what your

967
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: community came to me, this is how I've hurt you,

968
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: or this is where you're hurt right now. And as

969
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: a result, like I'm going to make sure you feel

970
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: like you're in the wrong for feelings. For Susie, you

971
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: feeling this way. That's where this whole thing went sideways.

972
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: And it just kept going and going and going. And

973
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: what was sad was how she was responding to it.

974
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 1: Like I felt so bad for her because like she's

975
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: trying to like fix things. She's saying like I'm sorry.

976
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: Even she's like I'm kind of apologizing and I'm like, girl, no,

977
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: and I'm like I understand. You know, she's on camera.

978
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure she's gonna watched this back. I'm sure she immediate. Actually,

979
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: it's not even watching this back, Like she probably got

980
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 1: to the hotel room and it was like I should

981
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: have said this. I should have said that, right, And

982
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: I just feel so bad that in that moment she

983
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: felt like she had something to apologize for. Well, and

984
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: you know, like you just said, you just laid it

985
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: up perfectly. You know, she's in an environment where she

986
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: doesn't have a sound support system around her. Um. She

987
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 1: doesn't have the ability to walk away from the table

988
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: and call up a friend and be like, this is

989
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: what my boyfriend is telling me right now, and this

990
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: is how I'm feeling, and this is what I told him.

991
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: Like she doesn't have that, and so she's kind of

992
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: on an island alone. And and as you mentioned, she's

993
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: on camera there is this guy who is the bachelor,

994
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: right and like that hat carries like whatever kind of way,

995
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: and she's trying to figure out if she's gonna marry

996
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: this dude or not. So like I'm sure she did,

997
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: and especially after watching this episode, she's gonna be like

998
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: I wish I would have said this, and I wish

999
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: I would have said that, And I'm sure she's gonna

1000
00:52:55,640 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: come out probably and say some stuff here publicly. But

1001
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: I felt that same way for her in the moment.

1002
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: It was like, you don't need to apologize for anything, Susie, Like,

1003
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: there is nothing in this moment you need to apologize for.

1004
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: You just communicated your feelings and what hurt you, and

1005
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: in a good relationship with a good partner like that

1006
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: is not received with defense, like it never is. If

1007
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: if any relationship in my life that I would have

1008
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: said to make make Jessica is a great example. If

1009
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: I could come here and said, hey, han, well you

1010
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: said last night hurt me, and she would have teld

1011
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: me where you're crazy for feeling her by that? No,

1012
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: like you know what she would do. She could let

1013
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: me let me hear why, like tell me why that

1014
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: hurt you, and then she would either say, hey, I'm sorry,

1015
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: I didn't mean it like that, or she would say

1016
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: we just misunderstood each other and we would move on

1017
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: with life. But she would never ever make me feel

1018
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: crazy for feeling a certain way that's so wrong, especially

1019
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: on a big topic like this. He like made him

1020
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: felt the victim and think about like how egotistical that

1021
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: whole thing was. It was like, oh, you you think

1022
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: you didn't like a decision of mine, Well I am

1023
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: gonna bring you want to like maybe break up with

1024
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: me like this isn't working out for you, Well, I'm

1025
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: gonna break up with you. I'm sending you home. This

1026
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: is not working for us anymore. It's uh, yeah, it

1027
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: was hard to watch, and uh, I'm glad that you

1028
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: called me to talk about it after you saw it.

1029
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: You were you were very upset and very and I

1030
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: told you I had to admit to you. I was like,

1031
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm glad you called because I was confused

1032
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: watching it, like if my is this real life? Is

1033
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: this real life? And like am I am I at

1034
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: all on the same page as you? Actually, when I

1035
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: watched this and go, this feels bad. Um, I had

1036
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: to get I had to get some accountability. And we

1037
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: both were like no, like it's a there's a reason

1038
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: why we watched this, And then like it's hard to watch.

1039
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: It's hard to see, and it's unfortunate for Susie, and

1040
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate that you know this is gonna be such

1041
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: a big storyline now. Uh really probably I would imagine

1042
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season. Um, because it's just

1043
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: not a good look and it's it's not healthy for

1044
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: anybody to have to witness. But maybe there's gonna be

1045
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: a good conversation that come out of it. Maybe people

1046
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: will be like, hey, do you see this, This is

1047
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: not this is not the right thing to do, This

1048
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: is not right the right way to communicate, And maybe

1049
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: people will be better for it. I hope so. But

1050
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: until then, it was really ugly. It was. It was

1051
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 1: a really bad moment for the show and for our

1052
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: current lead. It was and there's no other way to

1053
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: put it. I don't think. I'm reading the quotes now

1054
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: and I'm just seeing how many times she said like,

1055
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I feel awful, I feel I feel bad.

1056
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: And then she goes I can tell every ounce of

1057
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: him that, in every ounce of him, he hates me,

1058
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry for the pain that I caused him.

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Speaker 1: And then he says, everything happens for a reason, and

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Speaker 1: I will move and this will help move my life forward. Um,

1061
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Speaker 1: I will find someone who will fight for me. I

1062
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Speaker 1: thought she was that person. This was my biggest fear,

1063
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Speaker 1: the person that I love being gone wild absolutely world. Well, um,

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything else to say. We could

1065
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: continue to exacerbate this and keep talking about it and

1066
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: saying how hard it was to watch, how bad it

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Speaker 1: was to watch, how bad it was to be a

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Speaker 1: part of and um, how we feel for Susie And

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Speaker 1: you know, we obviously don't know what happens the rest

1070
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Speaker 1: of the season, but we're obviously going to be um

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Speaker 1: talking about it here in the podcast. Um oh well,

1072
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Speaker 1: let's end with that. Then, what do you think, Ben is,

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00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: what's going to happen after seeing this in the scenes

1074
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Speaker 1: for the next episode. I think I think both of

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Speaker 1: them leave. Um, I don't think they're I mean I

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00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: think both of them leave. And I think both of

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Speaker 1: them leave because, um, yeah, because I'm sure he he

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00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: tells them about how he feels about both them. It

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Speaker 1: seems like he does it for both of them together,

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Speaker 1: at least according to the teasers. I think it probably

1081
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: confuses both of them. This is my This is all assumption,

1082
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Speaker 1: by the way, and I think they probably have a

1083
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: similar reaction to as this as SUSY's. UM, and I'm

1084
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Speaker 1: wondering now how he handles that. That was my that's

1085
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: all complete assumption, but that I just think in short,

1086
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: they both leave, right, and that truly will be the

1087
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: first time in Bachelor history that the bachelor is left

1088
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: alone at the end of this because his all his

1089
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:37,919
Speaker 1: women left absolutely. Well, Well, Ashley h thanks talking through

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Speaker 1: this with with you know everybody listening to me. And

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Speaker 1: then Sierra, thanks for talking to Ashley and I both um,

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Speaker 1: is that expression choogy of me? Um? No, that's good,

1093
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Speaker 1: that's a that's ah. She did she She's told us

1094
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Speaker 1: a lot um. And also I thought, Seria give us

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00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: a good perspective into the minds and the thoughts of

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Speaker 1: the uh, the women, which gives more clarity to people

1097
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: or to the really the whole season. I wish we

1098
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: would have known that going in that hey there are

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Speaker 1: some women that just weren't into this thing. Um, it

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Speaker 1: would have made sense a lot more on why stuff

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00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: was happening the way it was. But well, that's a

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Speaker 1: big episode, but another episode of the almost famous podcast.

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Speaker 1: Please again, right in your thoughts your feelings on this

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Speaker 1: episode to us. Ashley and I both put up polls

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Speaker 1: on social media and Twitter. I've been reading them as

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Speaker 1: actually we're sitting here to keep up the date. Most

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Speaker 1: people don't want women tell all anymore. Yeah, I'd say

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Speaker 1: I think I saw them. Both of ours was about

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Speaker 1: mine to Yeah, we're not into it anymore. I think

1110
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Speaker 1: just probably because it's it just didn't seem healthy. Um,

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00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: and it hasn't seemed healthy in a while. So with that,

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Speaker 1: I've been Been, I've been Ashley Bad Guys followed the

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Speaker 1: Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on iHeart Radio

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Speaker 1: or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.