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Speaker 2: We're doing a fitness collab and they do them in

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Speaker 2: It's a great exchange of information. It's a great way

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Speaker 2: rate than inert tissue fat. So if you have lean tissue,

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Speaker 2: stands to reason that your metabolism is going to be

433
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Speaker 2: burning A trained don't add hit intervals, don't tax your cardiovascularism.

434
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Speaker 2: But strength train. You want to maintain lean tissue and girls,

435
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Speaker 2: women are not going to get too big. You're not.

436
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Speaker 2: I mean I lay that challenge out there. If you

437
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Speaker 2: don't change your caloric intake and you add strength training,

438
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Speaker 2: you will not build size. Period. You can't. I challenge you.

439
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Speaker 1: I think that's definitely a huge misconception.

440
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Speaker 2: You don't mean your body doesn't you in this booth,

441
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Speaker 2: one of us has. I mean, the numbers are out there.

442
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Speaker 2: You guys have one tenth to one twenty is the

443
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Speaker 2: testosterone that we have, which is necessary for building lean tissues.

444
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Speaker 2: So you're starting off, you know, way back right, you're

445
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 2: starting off behind the eight ball on that. Plus, you're

446
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Speaker 2: probably not going to reach technical failure on your lifts

447
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Speaker 2: between the eight and twelve rep range, which is proven

448
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Speaker 2: to create hypertrophy, you know, growth and muscle tissue scize,

449
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. You're not. You're just not going to

450
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Speaker 2: train like that. You're can sleep enough, You're not going

451
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Speaker 2: to reduce your stress enough. You're not going to get

452
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Speaker 2: your calories adequately timed out through that. It's a process.

453
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Speaker 2: Getting big is a lifestyle. If you're getting big, chances

454
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Speaker 2: are you're eating too much.

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Speaker 1: I want to touch on something you said because you

456
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Speaker 1: mentioned you're not sleeping enough. You you told no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I just I mean you were referencing about about hypertrop

458
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Speaker 1: and you.

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Speaker 2: See how I got defenses like I'm trying. I know,

460
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Speaker 2: I don't. It's the worst aspect of you.

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Speaker 1: You told Stelf earlier this year that the two lifestyle

462
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Speaker 1: factors that are most overlaw our hydration and sleep, and

463
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Speaker 1: that they're the two easiest things to fix.

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Speaker 2: I stand by that, I know, so I'm my ask.

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Speaker 1: My ask of you is how much how much should

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Speaker 1: I how much should someone be sleeping? And how much

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Speaker 1: should someone be hydrating?

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Speaker 2: So there are different There's a lot of information out

469
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Speaker 2: there right right. What's doctor Moss's book. James Moss is

470
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Speaker 2: a power sleep Sleep, Power power Sleep, I think, and

471
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Speaker 2: I've worked with him. I should know. No disrespect sir.

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Speaker 2: I mean, eight hours is eight hours is the rule?

473
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Speaker 2: Can some of you get by with a little less sure?

474
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Speaker 2: Do some of you need a little more sure? But

475
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Speaker 2: if you you'll find it right, you're probably sleeping too

476
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Speaker 2: little most people on average, and hydration people don't take it.

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Speaker 2: And you know where you see the hydration fall short

478
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Speaker 2: and colder climates because they don't see themselves or feel

479
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Speaker 2: themselves sweating, and they don't think, well, I don't I

480
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Speaker 2: don't need it anymore. And people who drink a ton

481
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Speaker 2: of caffeinated beverages, you have to hydrate caffeines and diary.

482
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: You just have to compensate for what you're doing bad.

483
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Speaker 2: And add more, what about hype and the treatment. You're

484
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Speaker 2: not gonna drown. You're not gonna drown. I challenge you

485
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Speaker 2: to drown yourself. If you do, sorry, apologies to your family.

486
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Speaker 2: But have a little more. When you think you've had enough,

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Speaker 2: have a little more.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because these are things you know, people

489
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Speaker 1: always say you can't over exercise a bad diet. You

490
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Speaker 1: also need to do these things. You need sleep, you

491
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Speaker 1: need hydration. It's all part of the puzzle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so the pillars right, strength, cardio, hydration, nutrition,

493
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Speaker 2: rest and recovery, supplementation, if you want to touch on that.

494
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Speaker 2: And then and to me, it's it's a game, right,

495
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Speaker 2: It's a long it's a long game. So if you're

496
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Speaker 2: you don't have to be obsessive with it. Mean, it's

497
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Speaker 2: my world. I live in this, so I think about

498
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: it probably too much or more than the average. But

499
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Speaker 2: if you just look at what you're not doing and

500
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Speaker 2: try to improve that, it's like you're playing a little

501
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: game of ketchup, but don't do it with any stress.

502
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 2: Just do it with It's fun, right, It's like it's

503
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: like keeping a bunch of balls in the air. It's

504
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: like spinning plates on a thing. You just just go

505
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Speaker 2: for the one that looks like it's going to fall,

506
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Speaker 2: and you're playing that game. I like that. Yeah, it's

507
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Speaker 2: it's what am I not doing? Right? What am I?

508
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 2: What am I not doing well enough? If my nutrition's

509
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Speaker 2: on point, my training is on point, my hydration's on point,

510
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Speaker 2: but I'm not sleeping today. I'm going to focus at

511
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Speaker 2: them more on sleep. I get my sleep under control.

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Speaker 2: Then I realized, you know what, my sleep's under control,

513
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Speaker 2: my eating has fallen off a bit. I gotta get

514
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Speaker 2: back on that, right. And it's a little game and

515
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 2: is making it fun. Don't make it stressful, and don't

516
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Speaker 2: don't be a jerk about it. Don't put it on

517
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Speaker 2: the people in your inner circle, or you're gonna be

518
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Speaker 2: very lonely because no one wants to hear about how

519
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Speaker 2: much you're not sleeping, how much you're not exercising, how

520
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: much you're not not not No one cares. I really

521
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Speaker 2: don't care.

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Speaker 1: There's like so much advice to be had. I do

523
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Speaker 1: want to take a second to kind of rewind a

524
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Speaker 1: little bit and hear about from the get go, you

525
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Speaker 1: building your business a little bit, kind of backtrack to

526
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Speaker 1: opening your first gym. So tell me about that experience,

527
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Speaker 1: sad time in your life for you.

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Speaker 2: I was training out of I started by doing a

529
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Speaker 2: little cat and mouse thing, working with a couple of

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Speaker 2: people in a gym where I wasn't certified, I wasn't

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Speaker 2: a trainer there and I had been asked to train

532
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Speaker 2: them and I did. And then I had to, like,

533
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Speaker 2: I had to look like they were training with me

534
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: or we were working on whatever it was. And I

535
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: probably shouldn't have done that, and I don't encourage that,

536
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: And now, as someone in a gym, I would I

537
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Speaker 2: would not like to see that, but anyway, that's what

538
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: it was. And then I did a lot of in homes.

539
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Speaker 2: I had a terrific friend he's since passed away as

540
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Speaker 2: a chiropractor, who sent me a lot of in home people,

541
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Speaker 2: and I spent a lot of time driving around La

542
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Speaker 2: going from house to house to house, working with anybody

543
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Speaker 2: and everybody, because you know so passionate. Hey, this is

544
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: so great, we can do this. And also I was

545
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Speaker 2: a fat kid, so seeing people who struggle with their

546
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Speaker 2: way and knowing I had, I don't want to say

547
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Speaker 2: overcome it because I think in your mind you're kind

548
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Speaker 2: of always a fat kid once you're a fat kid,

549
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Speaker 2: and but you know you can control it, and it's

550
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Speaker 2: it is on you. And to be able to share

551
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Speaker 2: that with people I was, you know, tell you all right,

552
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 2: when you're in your twenties.

553
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Speaker 1: I was a fat kid. What I was?

554
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Speaker 2: Wow?

555
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 1: I lost seventy pounds in college.

556
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Speaker 2: Wow. And that's that's going the other way right right.

557
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure I gained like ten to fifteen

558
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Speaker 1: freshman year, but from the moment I stepped on the scale,

559
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: saw two oh four.

560
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, two oh four. I think my highest

561
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: weight ever was two to eight.

562
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Speaker 1: Wow. I'm glad that we're on the same page.

563
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Speaker 2: You're gonna we could have fought if we were boxing,

564
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 2: we could have we.

565
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Speaker 1: Could have rustled. Yeah, I'm gonna ask you a question

566
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: about that in a little bit. But I don't want

567
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: to deviate from this track of you talking about building

568
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: your business, but now that we know this about each other.

569
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Speaker 2: So I did that, and then I realized it was inefficient. Right,

570
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Speaker 2: I'm driving, I was going from I don't know how

571
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 2: well you know La. I'm going from Malibu, Palisades, West, Hollywood,

572
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills, brent with bell Air Bank, Bank Bank, and

573
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Speaker 2: I'm putting on a gajillion miles and I'm on my

574
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Speaker 2: car and I'm eating chick and breast and yams and

575
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 2: distilled water out of me. It's like you'd be. It's

576
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 2: a weird existence, right, It's you're operating in this vacuum.

577
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: And I and I realized I had to I needed

578
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Speaker 2: to have a home base, and so I went to

579
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Speaker 2: a bunch of the gyms within ex mileage of my

580
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Speaker 2: home and I and in LA that's a lot like right.

581
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Speaker 2: Somebody could say, what do you mean? There are four

582
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Speaker 2: gyms that I know of in my city, but there

583
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 2: are so many in La, right. And I could have said,

584
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Speaker 2: you can't swing a cat, but then the cat people

585
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: would yell at me. I didn't mean that, I've never

586
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 2: swung a cat, So relax on that, okay. And I

587
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: found one that was there, and the guy was the

588
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: guy was cool, and he expanded and grew and I

589
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: was able to, you know, to nest there and find

590
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Speaker 2: a home. And I started just backing up the hours

591
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 2: just bang, and I was doing what part of LA

592
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Speaker 2: was then it was in West Hollywood. I don't lost again,

593
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Speaker 2: and I was nine, ten, eleven, twelve hours a day.

594
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Speaker 2: A couple of days I did fifteen. That was the

595
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Speaker 2: most I had done on a day. It was right

596
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Speaker 2: looking back and I'm like, that's insanity.

597
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: And what time is your day starting?

598
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Speaker 2: Well, my day, I always get up between three.

599
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: And four okay, yeah, so but back then as well,

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Speaker 1: three and four same okay. So wow, fifteen hour days

601
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Speaker 1: starting at three am.

602
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Speaker 2: When I wrote my book, and uh, I wrote it

603
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Speaker 2: in four, came out in five. I got up at

604
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Speaker 2: three fifteen instead of three forty five four, And that

605
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: there was that was the cutoff for me. Three fifteen

606
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: wake up was really crazy.

607
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Speaker 1: Do you know that there's a copy of your book

608
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: right now going for four thy, four hundred and three

609
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: dollars on Amazon. Do not buy that.

610
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's over.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted you to know that I was looking

612
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Speaker 1: into your book that's over, I would say, so you

613
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Speaker 1: don't think it's four thousand dollars worth of.

614
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: I'm very proud of that book. But whoever it is

615
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: that's going to buy that, please email me. I will

616
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: send you. Don't do that.

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking, is this like an exclusive sign special?

618
00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: So I'm going to post that.

619
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Speaker 1: I saw that earlier.

620
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Speaker 2: But again, what value you take from that? I can't

621
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Speaker 2: put a price on that. It's like the trainer for

622
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Speaker 2: that much. I don't know what to sort of like,

623
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Speaker 2: watch it. You see it's the car thing? Yeah, how

624
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: much is it worth to you?

625
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Speaker 1: It's the car thing? Quick question about your morning routine?

626
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Speaker 1: Everyone's got one. What does yours look like at three fifteen,

627
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Speaker 1: three forty five.

628
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Speaker 2: In the morning. No, no, it's three forty five four now.

629
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Speaker 1: In the morning.

630
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Speaker 2: I wake up and I do. This is going to

631
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Speaker 2: sound like such a plug and it's not.

632
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Speaker 1: Do it?

633
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Speaker 3: I do?

634
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Speaker 2: I drink a whole bottle of the Propel unflavored okay,

635
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: because I want to get my water started the day,

636
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: because I know I'll probably fall behind, and if I

637
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: feel like I get a jumpston on that, then I

638
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: have a product called Split which is half almond butter

639
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: half preserves or jelly because my nutritionist, doctor Philip Goldie,

640
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: is like, you can work out on the anti stomach

641
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: al you want, but you're better off having this just

642
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: for what my metal type. That's a whole nother story,

643
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: but that works for me. And then I shower because

644
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: I can't do anything without having a shower. And then

645
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: I go to the gym and I work out from

646
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: five to six forty you work out, just you. I

647
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: work out with a kid named Brad Siskin who's a

648
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Speaker 2: trainer in my gym. Terrific guy, Like his instagram is

649
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: BSD Workout. I'm not plugging, but you should know.

650
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: No, you should know.

651
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: And he doesn't workouts, and he's the kid's never in

652
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: a bad mood and he's hilarious.

653
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: And you say, kid, how old is he?

654
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: He's probably forty five. I don't know.

655
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm envisioning like some twenty one year old young end.

656
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: No.

657
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: No, no, he's a great guy, great trainer, and and

658
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: he helps me a lot at the gym. So we

659
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: do that and then I see my first person at seven,

660
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: and then when I'm finished with that person at eight,

661
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: I drive down to the Lakers and I'm there till

662
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: one and I come back to the gym, and I

663
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: am there and I start. I start people at one thirty,

664
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: and I go one thirty, two thirty, three, thirty four

665
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: to thirty and sometimes at five thirty. And I will

666
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: tell you at this stage each of the game, the

667
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: five thirty client is tough. I like you it once

668
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: or twice a week. It's tough. So usually I've done

669
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: at five thirty. I'm home by six, six ten.

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00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: And you have a little a little kid. Now.

671
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: I have four kids, I know, but you have a

672
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: very young Yeah it's two and a half.

673
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: How old are your other kids?

674
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Speaker 2: I think you voted this year. I have twenty almost

675
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: nineteen fourteen and two and a half.

676
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: Got it?

677
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? How is that to be the best thing ever?

678
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: A dad is a little guy.

679
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: Again, if I have more free time and more money,

680
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: I'd have more kids. It's the best thing ever.

681
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I was kind of surprised in your morning routine.

682
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: The I couldn't do that without my wife. Just let's

683
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: be let's own that. She runs the house, she runs

684
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: the business, she runs the little guy. She's a ten.

685
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: She's a ten.

686
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: She's a ten.

687
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: It's good to surround yourself with tens.

688
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a lot of them. But I mean

689
00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: I've been through I've been through the fire.

690
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: I know.

691
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: I know.

692
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: It's not like I stepped into the world at tends.

693
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: Don't we always just step into the world.

694
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: Somebody said to me, Wow, you're so lucky, and I go, whoa, whoa.

695
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: I am. I own that, no question. But there's also

696
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: been a process of elimination, and there's you know, you

697
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: go through certain things to get where you are. And

698
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be one of those Instagram philosophers,

699
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: but the Plato of Instagram. I see some people like, dude,

700
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: you can't keep with the deep thoughts. Just stop, just

701
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: stop stop it.

702
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: No.

703
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 2: So it's a process elimination, right. You start to weed out,

704
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: and you start to realize what you deserve, you start

705
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: to realize what you will won't tolerate, and you make

706
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: some you make them hard and fast decisions and you

707
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: got to stand by.

708
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 1: Them, definitely. And when we were talking yesterday on the phone, Uh,

709
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: everybody that comes in here, you know, there's so many

710
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: different hurdle moments we all have in our life. And

711
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: you said that after your divorce in two thousand and six.

712
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: You really lean into fitness, maybe even more than you

713
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: had before I did.

714
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: It's funny. Go back to Dwayne Johnson when he spoke

715
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: at the Lakers last year. It was powerful. You can

716
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: find that online. You can find that on YouTube or

717
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: on his somewhere. But he the way he said it,

718
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: it was something I'm like, yeah, I know, but I

719
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: hadn't put it into words. So when he said it,

720
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 2: it was pretty powerful. He backed up in the room

721
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: in our film room, and he leaned against the wall

722
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: and he slammed the wall with his open palm.

723
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: And he goes, it makes me nervous just thinking about it.

724
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, like so startling. Yeah, and he banged it hard,

725
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: and he goes, I feel like my back is always

726
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: against the wall. This is how I face life. And

727
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: what's there for me that I can always count on

728
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: as the weight room, the gym is always there, the

729
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 2: weights are always there. It gets me through, It gives

730
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: me perspective, It keeps me strong, and I know that

731
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: I can always count on them. He goes, can't count

732
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: on other things, but this, whether I go through a success,

733
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 2: a failure, a good day, a bad day, this is

734
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: always there for me. And it sets me on the

735
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: right track. And I'm paraphrasing because he was far more

736
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: eloquent on that than I was. But his message is

737
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: has been it's the same for me, and that's probably

738
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: the only parallel I will draw between us, but his

739
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: that's the message. So for me, Yeah, the weight room

740
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 2: was there. And even if it wasn't, you know, Fire

741
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: and Brimstone personal records, best workout of my life kind

742
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: of thing, it was definitely there. And it's good to know,

743
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 2: what do they call it, your bolt hole? It's good

744
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: to know that you have that place to go to,

745
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: and I encourage anyone and everyone to find that place.

746
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: Yours may not be the weight room. It may be

747
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 2: it may be your peloton bike, it may be your

748
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: soul cycle class, it may be your CrossFit, whatever it

749
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 2: is for you, but find that, lean on it, lean

750
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: into it, and trust it.

751
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: And I feel like this might be the answer to

752
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: the question I'm going to ask you next. As I mentioned,

753
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: I was over two hundred pounds in two thousand and eight,

754
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: and so what is something that you would tell that

755
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: person who like kind of is at the beginning of

756
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: what could be either a weight loss or maybe it's

757
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: just a fitness journey. But they're at the beginning and

758
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: they feel so overwhelmed.

759
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: Start, yeah, start, Start. There's no fitness anniversary. There's no

760
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: I mean you may have one. Oh you know in

761
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: this two thousand and this I did. Okay, fine, but

762
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: that's for you. No one really cares. They're looking at

763
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: you today. They're looking at you as they see if

764
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: they're even looking at you. Most people are really looking

765
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: at themselves. It doesn't matter where you're And I would say,

766
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: don't worry about the scale at the beginning of your

767
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: of your air quotes journey. Just just start, just do

768
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: something you know, and once you get started, it's about

769
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 2: it's it's a brick, right, You're just acting bricks. You're

770
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: just putting brick on top of brick on top of brick,

771
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: and you're building this foundation that will be unshakable. And

772
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: if you keep doing it and you keep I think

773
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 2: the word grind is overused, But if you just keep grinding,

774
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: you just keep pushing, you're gonna pull back one day

775
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: and exhale them look and you're gonna go, wow, I've

776
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 2: laid a hell of a foundation, and now I've built

777
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: a beautiful building, how structure on it, and you're gonna

778
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: see what it comes from. And it's not that bad.

779
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: I mean, people say, you just spent two hours a

780
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: day working out?

781
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 3: Do I?

782
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's yeah with a probably total time

783
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: in start to finish to clean up to go is

784
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 2: two hours. What is that eight percent of my day? Right? Again?

785
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: The math thing a seven to two out of twenty

786
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: four using your hands, Yeah, I got too.

787
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: I also failed. I didn't fail, but I got to

788
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: see in statistics. I just thought you should know.

789
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: I got a D in statistics and that was a tough.

790
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: Another tough moment when my kids said did you ever

791
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: have a bad grade? And I looked at him. I thought,

792
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: this is that moment you lie to sound great to help,

793
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: so they set their standards higher and I just said,

794
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: yes I did.

795
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: I love it. Okay, So good advice for someone that's

796
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: kind of at the beginning. You are training with this

797
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: guy in one gym you like it. When does being

798
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: in that gym translate to having your own spot?

799
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 2: When I was uh oh, when I left the end

800
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: homes and started a gym?

801
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: Right, so when did when did you effectively start?

802
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: So I was working at a gym and I was

803
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: there for eight years and I was the hours were

804
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: just you know, it was I took all comers, right,

805
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 2: can you can work out yet? Yep? Yep, yep, yep.

806
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: I just you know, probably to my own detriment whatever,

807
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: but it was I loved it there. I don't have

808
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: a bad memory of that at all. And uh, the

809
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: gym owner and I just were different on it. He

810
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: said one day something was broken and I was, you know,

811
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: cranking out so many people, and he had sort of

812
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: loosened the reins on who could and could not come

813
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: in there, and the gym was a little more crowded

814
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: than I would have liked. And I was bringing in

815
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: a higher level of clientele than was there. And not

816
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 2: to say not to judge people, but meaning higher profile people.

817
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: So I couldn't. I didn't want to have them in

818
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: a spot that was so jam packed. And this one

819
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: piece of equipment that was the centerpiece and you could do,

820
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: you know, twenty thousand things on it was broken and

821
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: it was still broken, and it was broken again, and

822
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: it was broken for like three weeks. And I said

823
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 2: some once and he snapped on me, and he said,

824
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: if I have the number three gym in town. I'm

825
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: fine with that. And I didn't look at it like

826
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: number one gym, number three and it when I'm on

827
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: the podium here, I just looked at it like, don't

828
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: you want your stuff to be better? If I get

829
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: a dent in my car, I'm fixing the dent. I

830
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: just I don't want to be I don't want my

831
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: car to look like that. I don't want to be

832
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 2: that guy. So I don't know. Something, did something click?

833
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: Was it a moment, I don't know, but I just thought,

834
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: I'm not okay.

835
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: With that, right, And I left and you left.

836
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there you go. It's a big undertaking. We

837
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: touched on this, you know, to go from trainer to

838
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: gym owner and then to straddle the two and be both.

839
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: They are too. Those are two very different jobs. And

840
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 2: I said this to you before. If I can do it,

841
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: anyone can do it. But you have to go. I'm

842
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: going to be working, You're going to be wearing a

843
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 2: number of different hats, and you have to You can't

844
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: resent that. You can't put that off on your circle.

845
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: You can't come home and be a jerk because you

846
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 2: have used the word jerk twice now, because I'm trying

847
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: not to say swear words. Look at me.

848
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm impressed with you.

849
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: I know, I know, self control, restraint, push away from

850
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: the table gunner. So you just have to know that

851
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: that you're putting a lot on your plate when you

852
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: do that. You can handle it, for sure, you can

853
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: handle it, but you have to be aware that you're

854
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: handling a lot, and you have to make sure that

855
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: people around you don't suffer because of that.

856
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. So you get your own gym, mm hmmm.

857
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: And then you say, I'm going to do it perfectly,

858
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: nothing's going to be wrong. And then you think of

859
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: every gym you've been to, what you liked and what

860
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: you didn't like, and then you you try to weed

861
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 2: it out, and it's hard. It's it's an ongoing thing.

862
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: It's I mean, but it's a it's a it's a

863
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: passion project.

864
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: Your gym right now in Beverly Hills obviously not not obviously,

865
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: but I've never been there. I've seen it, you know, photos, videos,

866
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: reality television, whatever you want to say. Uh, it looks

867
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: like a playground.

868
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 2: It's full, it's full.

869
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: There are pieces of equipment in there. I don't know

870
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: if I've ever seen before.

871
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have some interesting prototype stuff. I also we uh.

872
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to say I'm a gym equipment designer,

873
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: but I definitely modify and customize pieces of something. I

874
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 2: had a guy write me this morning on my website

875
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: and he said, where do you get the hooks on

876
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: the back of your dumbbell racks where you hooked your kettlebells?

877
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: And I said, I made them. I had a guy

878
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 2: make them for me because he said, because he has

879
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: a gym space issue. Well, I mean, I think a

880
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: lot of germ owners understand that I do too. And

881
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 2: I had no place for the kettlebells. And so I

882
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: looked and I said to the guy who I had

883
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 2: was a terrific machinist, I said, could you put a

884
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: hook on this that could support the weight of a kettlebell?

885
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: And so on the back of my dumbo racks are

886
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: hooks and the kettlebells racked right up there.

887
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: That I should probably start selling those hooks.

888
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: I'm sure he doesn't now he knows that there's a

889
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: gunner hook get yours now.

890
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: So you said you started working before opening your own

891
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: spot with a lot of higher profile clientele, would you.

892
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 2: Say for that, that's also something.

893
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: Now I don't do you want to know?

894
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 3: Man?

895
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to I want to work with celebrities.

896
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: First all, why do you want to work celebrities? What

897
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 2: are you trying to do? What's your end goal? I mean,

898
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: do you want to be in the movies? Do you

899
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: have a do you have a song you're trying to

900
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 2: get produced? Or do you have a script? Is your

901
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: cousin a model and trying to transition this? You have

902
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: to have the right and look, whatever it is is fine,

903
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 2: but you have to be honest with yourself about it.

904
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: Why do you do it?

905
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: Because I have a platform and fitness, and I have

906
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: ideas about how to make fitness doable for people. And

907
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: if I'm not working with higher profile people, it's harder

908
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: to get my message out. And it was way harder

909
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: back then to get it out. Now there are definitely

910
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: ways where even if I didn't have even if I

911
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: weren't linked or attached to certain people in the public eye,

912
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: I could still get it out now, right, there are

913
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: ways to blast it. But then you needed to have

914
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: an association with somebody who was already in the public

915
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: eye or who was climbing and if you were approached

916
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: or someone asked you, then you could say, yes, it's

917
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 2: great to work with this person, and here's what we do,

918
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 2: and then someone else might pick that up, and then

919
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: you have to find a way to parlay that into

920
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: your message.

921
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: I walk into the gym, Chloe walked into the gym.

922
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: Do you work out with us the same way?

923
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: Not?

924
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, not based on body type. But would

925
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: you say that you work out a little bit differently

926
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: with someone who may be of that big name.

927
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: I write, you don't write the workouts based on their name.

928
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 2: Take notes. I write a different workout for every person

929
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: every day the night before. It's like my little homework thing.

930
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: And when my kids were younger, i'd sit with them

931
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: and we do homework together. And I still do it now.

932
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: Every night I write it and my wife will say

933
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: how much work do you have? And sometimes it's fifteen minutes,

934
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: sometimes it's an hour and fifteen minutes. It just depends.

935
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: Would the workout be the same, No, she has a

936
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: different focus than you, have different goals. She's coming off

937
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: of something different than you're coming off of. Right where

938
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: you're headed is probably different. You have different body types here.

939
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: I mean you factor in that. Are there going to

940
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: be certain moves that everybody does for sure, probably in

941
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: a different sequence, maybe for different duration, different intensity, different

942
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: a different load. All those things are factored in, but

943
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 2: it definitely won't be the same. I had so many

944
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: years ago trained me and said, I've been with you

945
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: for ten years. We've never done the same workout. And

946
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: I said, thank God, could you imagine how bored I

947
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: would be? I mean, I'm glad you're not bored, but

948
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: I would. I can't do that. I have to and

949
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: you don't just it's not just put together like hey,

950
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: let's slap this onto this or this is next to this,

951
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: so we use it. But my gym is laid out

952
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: in a way that there's a flow to it. There's

953
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 2: a sequence to it. There has to be a rhythm

954
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 2: that goes with it, and you set a pace which

955
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: creates an intensity and all that stuff has to be

956
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: You can't wan that.

957
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: That's smart. It's true though, And I mean people like

958
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 1: it's a service as well, you know, so someone's showing

959
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: up to work out with that.

960
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: That is a whole other podcast. I go into a

961
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: whole thing on this is a service industry. You better

962
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: be serving your clients and if you are not, you

963
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: need to get out of this industry.

964
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: Right And I opinion, well, I think that's what's so

965
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: great about here, that this is what you do, because

966
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know there are so many people that

967
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: would love to show up at your gym and have

968
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: the opportunity to work out with you, and they would

969
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: just be probably be happy to be in the room.

970
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that you're not going to provide

971
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: a service for them.

972
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: And when you come in, it's all handled. We have

973
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 2: everything in the bathroom at the Genify, the towels, the soap, shampoo,

974
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: Q tips, all that stuff is there. The towels and

975
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: water is all out for you. The recovery drinks are

976
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: there for you. That's just show up and work out.

977
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: The rest is provided. That's what you're trying to do.

978
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: It's also you know, that's the kind of service we

979
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 2: want to provide. Some gyms aren't like that, and that's

980
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: not wrong I'm saying. In terms of the training, you

981
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: have to be I believe, a step ahead of their

982
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: needs and wants right physical and emotional. Sounds like you're

983
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 2: getting into the shrink thing, which I'm not into but

984
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: you have to be available to them because that's what

985
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: they're coming to you for. You have to have the answer,

986
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 2: so you don't have to have the answer to everything,

987
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: and you should. You should be quick with I don't

988
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 2: know when you don't know, and then look it up.

989
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: But you know, put the towel on the piece of

990
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: equipment before they're on it. You know, hand them the

991
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: water when you know they're going to need it, not

992
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: where they have to ask for it. That's those are

993
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: little service things, and there are certain gyms that don't

994
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: do that. The guy may just yell out hydrate. You know,

995
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: everybody gets on water and that's fine too, but you're

996
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: still serving, got it, you.

997
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: Said before you quoted Duran Johnson and you were talking

998
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: about what he said in front of the Lakers. That's

999
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: probably just one of the many lessons that your clients

1000
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: not necessarily drained being your client, But the people that

1001
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: you work with have taught you tons.

1002
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 2: And that's why I work. That's why I love. Not

1003
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: that you can't learn from everybody, because I think you can,

1004
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: and everybody has a different path and you can't fault

1005
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: someone for not knowing something that is so basic or

1006
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: innate to you because they've learned something else that's basically

1007
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 2: innate to them. So you take that. You have to

1008
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: be respectful of that. That's one. The other thing is

1009
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: I love being around achievers and doers and people who

1010
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: overcome and and and there are people from different socioeconomic

1011
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 2: backgrounds who overcome. Right, it's not just people who don't

1012
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: have a lot who get who who become successful financially

1013
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: or otherwise who have overcome. There are people who are

1014
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 2: born with, you know, the silver or platinum spoon in

1015
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: their mouth who have to overcome too. And you might

1016
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: be rolling your eyes at that, but it's true. They

1017
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: they have that. They have their own struggles and battles

1018
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 2: and expectations put upon them, or even expectations of other

1019
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: kids gonna fail because he was born with everything he

1020
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: doesn't know how to work for. There's that, or there's

1021
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 2: he was born with everything he should he should hyper achieve.

1022
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: That's another. You know, everybody has their own stuff, so

1023
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 2: but I like being around the people who achieve and

1024
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 2: who push and the people who have. You know, I

1025
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: worked with Jennifer Lopez for years and it was just

1026
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: so eye opening and and the level the work ethic

1027
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: and the achievement. And I was with her when she

1028
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: had the number one song and the number one film

1029
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: at the same time, and that had never been done.

1030
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: That's just cool. You know, you can't do She was filming.

1031
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: We were in Philadelphia for months and she was filming

1032
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: a movie and on the weekends was was taking a

1033
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 2: helicopter to New York to film music videos for the album.

1034
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: Coming back filming Monday Morne and it was just go,

1035
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: go go. I'm working out and working out every day,

1036
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: working out every day, and it was beautiful to see. Yeah.

1037
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 2: I worked with Bruce Willis for a number of years,

1038
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: one of the best guys I've ever met. And we

1039
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: were filming in Boston and the weekends back to New

1040
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: York to do other just bang bang bang, and there's

1041
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: just no downtime. And people think, oh, they're just kicking it,

1042
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,479
Speaker 2: they've got all this downtime. No, No, not the ones

1043
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: who are achieving, right, Sylvester Stallone's it's writing, painting, acting, directing,

1044
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: and it's all just back to back to back to back.

1045
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: And the athletes is the same, you know, that's the

1046
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 2: there's a parallel there. There's no off season anymore. There

1047
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 2: just isn't. And he said, well, if a team in

1048
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,479
Speaker 2: the NBA doesn't make the playoffs, they're done mid April

1049
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: and they don't start up till October. Right now, what

1050
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 2: do you think they do? Lie on the beach for

1051
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: five months? They're they're back in the gym five, six, seven,

1052
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: eight days later a week lare two weeks later, they're doing.

1053
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: What's been one of the greatest lessons you've learned working

1054
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 1: with the Lakers.

1055
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: It's been learning there's there's a corporate side to that

1056
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 2: that I not that I didn't respect, but I didn't

1057
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: know the corporate minefield you just have. It's a different

1058
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 2: operation than having your own business. I've watched like the

1059
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: coaching style there. Luke Walton's our head coach and he's

1060
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan, and I did not know him

1061
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 2: going in. I knew a lot of the other powers

1062
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 2: that be before I got there, but I did not

1063
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: know Luke. And watching him run this young, overly talented

1064
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 2: teams again, it's being around high achievers, right, These young

1065
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: guys that come in, our young draft picks, our vets,

1066
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 2: who weren't you know, It's not like they were ten

1067
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: fifteen year vets. But the guys who've been there for

1068
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 2: a few years, the day in, day out work ethic,

1069
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: and you go, these guys just do this every single day,

1070
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 2: every single night. And that's that's from the top right,

1071
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: that's from our owner to our GM to our VP

1072
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: of Basketball Ops to our team president. Those guys are

1073
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 2: there every single day. There's not a day off. There's

1074
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 2: not there's days where they don't you know, leading up

1075
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Speaker 2: to the draft where they don't sleep and they're watching

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Speaker 2: and studying, comparing, and then that goes down and on

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Speaker 2: the court, those guys are breaking down film and then

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Speaker 2: creating strategies on the court for for that game and

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Speaker 2: then the next game and then the next game, and

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of shape shifting that goes on. And

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Speaker 2: it's I love to see it. I love to be

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Speaker 2: part of what these guys are doing and their work ethic.

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Speaker 2: It's it's cool to see that that translate. Right, nothing's

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Speaker 2: by accident. None of these successful people, none of these

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Speaker 2: successful franchises, Nobody falls into that. Nobody backs into that.

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Speaker 1: You've been doing this for almost thirty years, now, what

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Speaker 1: would you say is one of the greatest pieces of

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Speaker 1: advice you've been given since you started.

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Speaker 2: Wow, two things from two very big movie stars. One

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Speaker 2: of them said to me, you.

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Speaker 1: Can't just say that and not tell me who's giving

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Speaker 1: you these pieces of advice.

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Speaker 2: I can. Sylvester Sloan was one, and he told me

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Speaker 2: years ago, don't ever work with anyone for free, don't

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Speaker 2: ever devalue your service if you If you do that,

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Speaker 2: they won't respect what you bring and you bring a

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Speaker 2: lot to the table. And I don't know if that

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Speaker 2: was just he was saying that in a broad stroke

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Speaker 2: or he meant me personally, I gonna bring a lot

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Speaker 2: to the table. Whatever, that's how I took it, and

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Speaker 2: I think about that a lot.

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Speaker 1: I'm an entrepreneur here. I don't have a typical nine

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Speaker 1: to five and there are things I want to do

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Speaker 1: that I haven't really broken into yet. I just started

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Speaker 1: doing more moderating of panels around the city and I

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Speaker 1: love doing it, and it's usually health and fitness related,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just starting out. And sometimes they're like, well,

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Speaker 1: we don't have the budget to pay the moderator, and

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Speaker 1: so do you do it because you want to get

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Speaker 1: into it more or do you take a step back

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Speaker 1: and you say, well, I'm more valuable than that. I

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Speaker 1: don't know the answer.

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Speaker 2: Or do you say I'm going to learn from this?

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Speaker 2: I can't believe I get to learn for free. I agree,

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Speaker 2: I don't have to pay to do it. I would

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Speaker 2: do that for free. Yeah, I mean that's maybe just

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Speaker 2: a mind gaming. Just now, we're just semantics. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But and I'm not saying, you know, if you're not

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Speaker 2: someone's handy, you cash for something that it's not worth it,

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Speaker 2: because sometimes there's a learning experience, so you get paid

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Speaker 2: that way, and that's not you know, being weak and saying, well,

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Speaker 2: I couldn't stand up for my money. But yeah, you

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Speaker 2: decide what's it worth to you? What are you going

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Speaker 2: to get out of it, whether it's money, connection, entre experience,

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Speaker 2: that's that's on you to decide how you're getting paid.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's always that number one, that's the

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Speaker 1: number two.

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Speaker 2: This was at a super tough time for me, and

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Speaker 2: it was a big, big, big movie star Bruce Willis,

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Speaker 2: and he said to me, when you stop worrying about

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00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 2: the thousands, the millions will come. And my dad goes,

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00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: don't tell him that he's he's just gonna start blowing

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Speaker 2: money now, And that's not how it was, Matt. It's

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Speaker 2: like if some the way I took it, My interpretation

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Speaker 2: was when there's something that is going to cost you something,

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Speaker 2: you know, and I see this for gym owners, right, well,

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Speaker 2: I want that piece of equipment, but you know it's

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Speaker 2: not in our budget to spend forty six hundred do

1139
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Speaker 2: a certain leg press. Just buy it. And I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying be be frivolous with it, but just get it

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Speaker 2: and it's going to pay back. It's gonna I've never

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Speaker 2: had a problem with the equipment. Just put it in

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Speaker 2: the gym. It pays back. People see that you're paying

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Speaker 2: into your own environment and they're going to benefit from

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Speaker 2: and they're going to talk about it, and then that's

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Speaker 2: going to bring you another client eventually that I think

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Speaker 2: pays for itself before you know it.

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Speaker 1: Would you say that also translates kind of on a

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Speaker 1: on a human level, like someone that's willing to give

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Speaker 1: back to themselves then also better for the people that

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Speaker 1: they're around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I hadn't. I was thinking I had my

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Speaker 2: gym owner had on. But yeah, I do think that's true.

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Speaker 2: Just stop worrying about all those you know, Tip the

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00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 2: person when you're when someone gives you a service, don't

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00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: be don't be cheap. It's super unattractive. The money is

1157
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 2: going to come back, right, it's if you're a karma

1158
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: person or energy all that, it's going to come back.

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Speaker 2: Don't be. Don't be Scrooge McDuck. That was a that

1160
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 2: was a cartoon that wasn't real. Don't bring that to life.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I said too. But it's the people that

1162
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: say you can do more. It's the people like the

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Speaker 2: and these and some of these people. I know, some

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Speaker 2: I don't. But if you think about people in Hollywood,

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Speaker 2: if you think about people in sports, Bo Jackson playing

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Speaker 2: two sports, Deon Sanders two sports, right, guys who were

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Speaker 2: capable of able women also to play multiple sports, and

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Speaker 2: they just you can't do that, Yes you can. You know,

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Speaker 2: you think about the guys. Look at Bob Saggett, look

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00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: at Ello cool J. Look at Chloe, look at Dwayne Johnson,

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Speaker 2: look at these people who have won two three shows.

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Speaker 2: Look at Lebron James. What he's doing now, he's playing basketball,

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Speaker 2: he's producing shows. I just saw yesterday he sold a screenplay.

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Speaker 2: I mean, do it. You can, just you can do

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Speaker 2: it if you want to go after it. And that's

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Speaker 2: not a pitch, that's not the raw raw. I'm not

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Speaker 2: that guy. But oh I can't do this, Yes you can.

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Speaker 3: You can.

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Speaker 2: You are probably not using your time as efficiently or

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Speaker 2: judiciously as you could be using your time.

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Speaker 1: You look back at the guy who's building his own gym. Now,

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Speaker 1: what is one piece of advice you would have offered

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00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: yourself back at the beginning.

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Speaker 2: Take care of your family. Pay attention to your kids,

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00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: spend time with your spouse, Try to get them to

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00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 2: understand what you're doing instead of feeling like you're on

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Speaker 2: an island and only you can handle your little gym problems.

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Speaker 2: And I do use that in a pejorative way, because

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Speaker 2: really they are little gym problems. I stressed out before.

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Speaker 2: I probably snapped at my kids. I probably got over

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00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 2: excited about the internet going out or a piece of

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00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: equipment not working, and I should have maybe taken it

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Speaker 2: more in strive. But maybe that comes with the desire

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Speaker 2: to have it all be perfect, to give that experience,

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Speaker 2: institute the clients that come in that I feel like

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Speaker 2: are paying for that and deserve that experience. Holy shit,

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm in a therapy session. I gotta

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Speaker 2: lie down on a couch. Well.

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Speaker 1: Sadly, our therapy session is coming to a close, Gunnard,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming in today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Please take a moment to leave a quick review by

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Speaker 1: all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to hear

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Speaker 1: at Hurdle Podcast. Gunner, where do we find you?

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Speaker 2: First of all, you lean in to find me. There

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Speaker 2: you go, I'm on what my website is Gunner Peterson

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Speaker 1: Pretty really as a thing about that one?

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Speaker 2: Is it really that simple?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: It is, Gunner Peter. I'm gonna fitness on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Thanks so much for coming in. I am at

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Speaker 1: Emily a body another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.