1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Danny and Samantha and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: I've never told your production of I Heart Radio. And today, 3 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: as we record this, it is November a second, which 4 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: is election day here, I guess everywhere, but I mean 5 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: I know here in Tortia, right we have a mayoral 6 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: race happening in Atlanta right now. Yes, yes, so we 7 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: will see you at the results of that is how's 8 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: your how's your perception of time lately? How is it 9 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: that it's November? Yeah, I thought of that. I was like, wait, 10 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: is it too late for me to order on Etsy 11 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: for all of the gifts because I'm starting to get scared. Yes, yeah, 12 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: I have ordered most of my Christmas presence already, And 13 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: I guess I don't want to stress anyone out because 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: I know it's very stressful normally, but now it's especially 15 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: Chessil because we've been to old It's gonna be all 16 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: kind of supply issues and mailing issues. Um, So my 17 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: mom and I were like, we gotta get this, We 18 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: gotta get on top of this, you gotta get it done. 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: So I just had this huge mountain of gifts like 20 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: sitting in front of my doorway. Well, it's gonna be 21 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: y around until December. But all right, yeah, it's it's strange. 22 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: I feel like it's both like the weather is cooler, 23 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: so that's there, but it's just kind of being inside 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: all the time makes it very strange when you're like, oh, yeah, 25 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: that's November, all right, Okay. November is also American Indian 26 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: Heritage Month, um, and we are going to have some 27 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: content around that throughout this month. But for our classic, 28 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: we wanted to bring back an episode we did with 29 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: a lovely guest, Natalie Evans of These Some kind of 30 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: Brown Podcast when she came to us and brought examples 31 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: of indigenous women's one of her favorite indigenous women that 32 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: people should know about. So please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, 33 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to STUFFMO never 34 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: told you. Protection of I Heart Radio's house effort. We 35 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: have something pretty pretty special a little different today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 36 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: As you know, we've been trying to shout out listeners 37 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: and other people we think are doing cool things at 38 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: the end of episodes and podcasts, pasting podcast which Samantha 39 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: has been spearheading, um and we that kind of came 40 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: simultaneously with another topic we want to talk about and 41 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: a podcast that we shouted out because as we record this, 42 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: not as you hear it in classic Sminty fashion of course, Um, 43 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: it is a Native American heritage MUK November. I thought 44 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: it a little closer one time frame now than we 45 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 1: haven't before. Yeah, we're closing in, although a little better now. 46 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: I think it's just our thing. Maybe maybe we should 47 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: just stick with it. Um. But this is so confusing 48 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: because we have the episode we're talking about asn't published it, 49 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: but you should have heard it by now. Somebody we 50 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: shouted out, UM has an amazing podcast, some kind of 51 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: Brown podcast. Yes, Natalie Evans is doing a fantastic job 52 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: with Some kind of Brown. She's been on I think 53 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: a year and a half. So what she said, it's 54 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: a podcast about multi racial, biracial and many multicultural ideas 55 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: behind and what it's like to be in that life 56 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: or in that moment. However, she identifies as Indigenous Black 57 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: UM and she is very, very obviously passionate about indigenous 58 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: and Native UM people and wanted to have their stories told, 59 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: which is I think it is very important as well. 60 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: And of course I mentioned a couple of times because 61 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, I don't hear it often, but she does 62 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: include in a racial adoption as a part of our 63 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: conversation too, and I loved that because, and I think 64 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: I've talked about it is often I feel really confused 65 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: about my identity a lot of the times because my 66 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: identity is conflicting to what I grew up with with 67 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: who I am, my actual ethnicity. And so what she's 68 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: doing is just fantastic. And also she's looking into the 69 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus world and being inclusive, and I love all 70 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: of the things. And I feel like it's very much 71 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: in the spirit of smenting and what we want to 72 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: do and what we want to talk about. And Yeah, 73 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: so when we saw her podcast, and I was very 74 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: excited about she was doing um Red November, which was 75 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: highlighting the hashtag m M i W or the missing 76 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: and murdered Indigenous women and talking about those conversations and 77 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: trying to bring a lot more highlights than I know 78 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: you did an episode as well. So it just split 79 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: in a line perfectly that we try to connect and 80 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: she was so willing and so we were so excited 81 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: to have her on the show. Yeah, and one of 82 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: the things we asked of her would be was to 83 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: talk about some some women famous, well maybe not famous, 84 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: but they should be famous indigenous women, um, that we 85 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 1: we all should know more about. And she was great adalyst, 86 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: Like how many I could go on and on, um. 87 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: But we do want to say before we get into this, 88 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: just a general disclaimer, and we do mention this in 89 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: the interview, but history is tricky when it comes to 90 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: I mean just in general honestly, UM, but also when 91 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: it comes to colonization in the United States, sources can 92 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: be hard to come by. And also UM, pronunciations, Uh yeah, 93 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: because there's no source like today peek behind the scenes. 94 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: What I do. I go to a pronunciation website. If 95 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: it's not on there, then I go to YouTube and 96 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: try to find somebody saying whatever it is that doesn't 97 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: necessarily exist for for the women, um that we're going 98 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: to talk about, so trying our best. Feel free to 99 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: write is if you know, Yeah, I feel free to 100 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: write in and let us let us know that us 101 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: give us a gentle correction. Um. But yeah, let's let's 102 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: hop into the interview. Ah. My name is Natalie Evans 103 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: and I'm the host of some kind of brown podcast. 104 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: My podcast is mostly about mixed in my multi racial life, 105 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: cultural issues and current events that are going on, and 106 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: exploring what it really means to my multicultural For multi 107 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: racial sometimes bi racial ethnic background isn't what that really means. 108 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: So we cover everything from reconnecting the culture to accepting 109 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: some of the negatives or how to deal with things 110 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: like you know, the normal things like people putting their 111 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: hands in your hair and having boundaries. There's a lot 112 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: of things that kind of fall under under that umbrella. 113 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: But for me specifically, I am reconnecting with my native 114 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: Indigenous side, so I get to document that through the podcast, 115 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: and it led to my Red November projects, which I 116 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: think is probably found me and what we're talking about today, right, 117 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: And could you explain a little bit about your Red 118 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: November project, because yes, that is one of the things 119 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, this is awesome. Uh, The November 120 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: is an absolute passion project for me. It's something that 121 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to do that they started. I said that, like, 122 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: I've had a podcast for a long time. I had 123 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: it for a year and a half. But it is 124 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: a series that focuses on the m m I w 125 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: or Missing a Murdered Indigenous Women girls two spirit people movements, 126 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: and it kind of approaches this systemic problems, the angle 127 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: of different Native non binary and women in our different perspectives. 128 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,239 Speaker 1: I've talked to people from all different walks of life 129 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: and how it affects us and some of the problems 130 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: when we're looking at the end my w movement went 131 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: so necessary, and the fact that we can't find any 132 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: information on the women who are missing, and the fact 133 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: that we very very rarely do any of these cases 134 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: or women get any kind of publicity. It's something that's 135 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: very painful and something that is slowly coming to light. 136 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: And then really excited to see that people are listening 137 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: and we have you on here today because I would 138 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: say the work that you do is fantastic and important 139 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: and we wanted you to kind of have a platform 140 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: here with us to talk to us about these different fights. 141 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: I guess that is what the best way we can 142 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: put it. UM and movements that you guys are you 143 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: were specifically pushing through and trying to get noticed for, 144 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: which is awesome. In your own podcasts which try to 145 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: highlight UM the different cultures as well as the difficulties 146 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: and the issues of being multiracial, biracial all of those things, 147 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: and you had even included um, interational adoption, which applies 148 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: to me. You know, it's very excited to see that, 149 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: which we highlighted your podcast on. Well episode that's coming 150 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: that we haven't published yet but has already recorded. There 151 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: doesn't exist publicly. I didn't acknowledge it's happening. Um, So 152 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: today I asked you to come on because it is 153 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: uh Native American Heritage Month. Yes, as we record that, 154 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: as we're recording, because yeah, by the time this is 155 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: published is over, we're a little late. But to talk 156 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: about it always good to talk about, Yes, as we should. Um. 157 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: And so you came on and you actually sent us 158 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: a giant list, which I love the things that you 159 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: want to talk about, people you want to talk about. 160 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and started, Yeah, okay, all right. 161 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: You told me that originally you were thinking about talking 162 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: about historical Native figures, particularly women or two spirit people. 163 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: And do you say massive lists, But this is just 164 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 1: a tiny, tiny, little list of amazing women that you 165 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: can look into. In a lot of Native Native cultures, 166 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: women are kind of the bear bearers of tradition. A 167 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: lot of these women who stand out in history were 168 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: also warriors. Most of the tribes are not cillennial, which 169 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: means that plans and traditions have passed down from the mother. 170 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: It's something that was very women were very equal or 171 00:10:54,240 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: sometimes a little higher in certain tribes. But as colonization 172 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: and the boarding schools and residential schools tried to westernize 173 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: the culture, that's one of the things that kind of 174 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: leaked in but is being worked on now. The codine 175 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: is showny Confederacy or the Iroquois Confederacy. They are probably 176 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: one of the most matrimonial groups that I've heard of 177 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: as a group of nations. They just have more female 178 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: led traditions. What was what are some of those traditions. 179 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: One of them, like I said, is clans passed down 180 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: from the mother. So if your mother was born in 181 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: one plan and the fathers and another, the mother's plans 182 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: kind of like last names with different They also have 183 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: a lot of medicine as a lot of women who 184 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: are famous for being medicine woman. So those are two 185 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 1: of the biggest things. Women as leaders and warriors and mothers. 186 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: That's just a very revered position in Native culture. So yeah, 187 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and talk about some of these women. 188 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: You're right, it's not a very vast last list. It 189 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: should be way way way more. There are obviously way 190 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: way way more. But for her time and purposes, let's 191 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: start with some of the big figures and names that 192 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: you want to talk about. Okay, we have Piprina Buffalo 193 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: calf road woman. That's her name, Elizabeth want to make her. 194 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: Of course I can't pronounce the for a Trovich. The 195 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: Polish sounding name was all the things I could not 196 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: find the plantation of her thinking names, so unfortunately can't 197 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: say that one as Tish Callista and Madonna stutter Hawk. 198 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: They're all from different groups, and actually two of them 199 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: on opposite side, which is kind of interesting. But toy 200 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: Parina is the first person on my list, and she 201 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: is of the tongue of the tribe located in the 202 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: Los Angeles basin. And there's a little bit of controversy 203 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: over what the tribe is called, because once they're not 204 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: nationally recognized, and two the government called the tribe something else. 205 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: It's been very interesting. Colonization is the problem for records. 206 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: But she was a medicine woman who opposed Spanish rule. 207 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: When she was nine, the Spanish colonizers invaded it is colonized. 208 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: There's two strong words. I don't know, okay, uh, I 209 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: don't like to call it. There's a group of people 210 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: who are using colonizers to talk about current people, and 211 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: I think that's a little too harsh of a narrative. 212 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: We're trying to talk about inclusivity and awareness and education, 213 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: but these are actual colonizers, little colonizers. Good, Okay. They 214 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: made it their goal, of course, to convert the people 215 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: and erase their cultural practice is I'm sure at the 216 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: like four pages and everyone's history books makes it clear 217 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: why the pornies of Americans needed to learn the Western 218 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: way and any attempts through this assimilation or conversion resulted 219 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: in our speeding torture and they see them be killed. 220 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: Things reached they're breaking point when traditional dances were banned 221 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: and to a point and helped unite six villagers to 222 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: attack the Stand Gabriel mission. Even though their attacks failed, 223 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: toy Prina was seen as a witch. She was just 224 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: dead and the end she was baptized and exile. I 225 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: can only imagine against her will. But she is still 226 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: a figure of bravery and leadership and very celebrated. You 227 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: know that there's a play based on her. According to 228 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: the research I found, there is a play about her life, um, 229 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: and that was not surprising. Yeah, premiered at the San 230 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: Gabriel Mission Playhouse in and towards California in um. And 231 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: also apparently there's a short film about her life and 232 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: a book called Zoro has an homage to her by 233 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: Isabelle Allende Allende. Yes, yeah, so, um she's not someone 234 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: Unfortunately I had never heard of her both, right, I 235 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: haven't either, But I like that there's increasing awareness about 236 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: about her and that there's this art being made about her. 237 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: I have seen a lot of artworks that are that 238 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: have been made in that I think. Unfortunately, unless you're 239 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: looking for her, mostly the people in Los Angeles, based 240 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: in an urn that area no occur. And that's about it. Um, 241 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: which is the case sometimes. But I don't know all 242 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: of these women. Their stories are like bit their steet. 243 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: You read about them. On the one hand, you feel 244 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: a bunch of pride from reading about their strengths and 245 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: the things that they were able to do. But at 246 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: the same time, we kind of know how this story goes. Yeah, 247 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: and it's much been a romanticize The truth of the 248 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: matter is it's pretty horrifying, the narrative in it. All right, 249 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: So the next woman you had on your list with 250 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: Buffalo calf Road Woman, which is an intense name, and 251 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: that is their only name? Uh it is? There is 252 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: a her name in Northern Cheyenne. I can't I couldn't 253 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: find how to pronounce it. But she is of the 254 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: Northern Cheyenne tribe. And if you've heard of the battle 255 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: a little big born, hm, I don't know, but um 256 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: me a differing in the mispool. So I'm fancy, super fancy, 257 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: super fancy. Uh. But yeah, you should have heard about 258 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: Balo cast broad Woman. If you don't know by name, 259 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: you probably have heard of Lieutenant Canal Fluster Yep. Yeah, 260 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: I don't really. Yeah, so even if you're on the bottle, 261 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: you know him. And she was the one who knocked 262 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: him off of his course before he died. Wow. I 263 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: shouldn't be proud of that, but I kind of am. 264 00:17:55,200 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: Come on now that I should celebrate anyone's death. Well, 265 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: this is not actually her first place prowess as a lawyer. 266 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: She also fought in the Battle of the Rosebud, and 267 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: the Cheyenne called this battle the Battle with the Woman 268 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: saved her brother, I believe because they were losing and 269 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: her brother, the chief comes in Sight, was injured and 270 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: she's turned her horse around. Gallops both felt the deep 271 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: of the fighting and saved her brother. The Laquota and Cheyenne, 272 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: who are fighting together joined forces under Crazy Horse, were 273 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: inspired by her bravery and turned around and won the 274 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: Battle of a Little Big Horn. She also fought alongside 275 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: her husband's black Coyote, and after the battle, she and 276 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: her family were captured, unfortunately and relocated. But like, she's 277 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: another woman who's fighting spirit is an inspiration for some 278 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: of us Native women and people in general. She it's 279 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: such a boss. She went through all these things, she 280 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: fought in these battles. It she proved her prowess to 281 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: the warrior and her husband Ryle. In jail, she died 282 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: from diphtheria or malaria, We're not sure which. Like, after 283 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: everything she's been through, that's going to take her down, really, 284 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: But I mean this kind of sounds about right as 285 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: you come through that type of colonization and and the 286 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:35,479 Speaker 1: diseases that was brought by those types of people, um 287 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: that had actually killed a many of tribes and many 288 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: of indigenous people. At that point in time. And it 289 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: is sad, but you know, she couldn't be taken down 290 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: our out of a force of nature. I guess it's sad. 291 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: But also if you look at it, no, no person 292 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: put down exactly. She was too strong for people to 293 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: put it strong for the individual. Man, I'm just saying 294 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: it couldn't be done by man. So other happens deep, 295 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god, totally totally unrelated. But my brain immediately 296 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: went to Lord of the Rings. Yeah, see, okay, we 297 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: like that reference. Go ahead, go ahead with a reference 298 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: because one of the leaders of the Black Writers couldn't 299 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: be killed be killed by a man and was killed 300 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: by a woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the way. I'm 301 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: no man, okay, so good, it was good. Don't get 302 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: us off track myself like that. We love we loves 303 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: and classics. Lord of the Rings, come on. So going on. 304 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: So it's Elizabeth Wanna Maker, Peretrovic. I literally looked up 305 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: more of the native print stations of their names, so 306 00:20:55,800 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: I did on that one. So we'll just say Paratrovic, 307 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: this is not fair. I don't know. I preferred to 308 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: call people by their indigence. Her native names understandable, understandable. 309 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: She is part of the Linkett tribe, and someone can 310 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: at me and if I don't pronounced them that wrong 311 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: because it felt completely differently. But they're in Alaska. She 312 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: was adopted at a young age. And one of the 313 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: reasons why I really wanted to use her name her 314 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: original Pinkett name, is because she only got the name 315 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: Elizabeth want to make her after she was adopted, which 316 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: kind of makes my heart out of that whole eraser thing. 317 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: And she gained that wonderful is it polish? I have 318 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: no idea last name from her husband's roy but they 319 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: were both Native, and they became the ends president of 320 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: the Alaska Native Brotherhood and Sisterhood, and they eventually moved 321 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: to Juno, and we're confronted by the no Natives allowed 322 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: buying all over the place. There's some siens say no 323 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: dogs and no natives, like excuse me, so frustrating. But 324 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: Elizabeth's probus and was determined to bring change. So she 325 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: directed and presented the Anti Discrimination Act, and it was 326 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: the first shot down and she in that teen three, 327 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: I believe, and she reads to put it before or 328 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: the Senate in nineteen and just to kind of paint 329 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: a picture of what she was like, I kind of 330 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: has to say a quote from someone who's not very nice, 331 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: so to give you a picture of the kind of 332 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: discrimination that needs faced in Alaska. Senator for then, Senator 333 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: Alan sat felt comfortable enough to say, and a cluach, 334 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 1: far from being brought close together which will result from 335 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: this act, the racist should be kept further apart. He said, 336 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: who are these people, barely out of savagery who want 337 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: to associate with us white? Was five thousand years of 338 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: recorded civilization behind us? Oh my god. Her response to 339 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: that was was kind of amazing to sender Allen, She said, 340 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: I would not have expected that I, who am barely 341 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: out of savagery, wouldn't have to remind gentlemen, was five 342 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: thousand years of recorded civilization behind them? Of our bill 343 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: of rights? Yeah? Yeah, she testified last in defense of 344 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: the act, and whatever she said she was able to 345 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: move the entire assembly. Some people said that there was 346 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: cheers everywhere and seraing ovation and her work resulted in 347 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: Alaska being the very first date to pass INTI discrimination legislation, 348 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: but did pass in that's amazing, that is amazing. Yeah, 349 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: we have some more women we want to talk about listeners. 350 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: But first we have a quick break for a word 351 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: from our sponsors, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor. Let's 352 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: get into the interview to put that into perspective. We 353 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: didn't really have remember joining from themself Arkansas specifically, we 354 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: had segregation filled the seventies, so this this act was 355 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: very ahead of it time. Oh yeah, it looked like 356 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: and Annie had put in here that it would have 357 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: been nearly twenty years before the federal civil rights side 358 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: would be passed, as well as fourteen years before Alaska 359 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: would become a state, which is phenomenal timing that she 360 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: was able to push that hard and get that accomplished. Yeah, 361 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: she obviously had some kind of gift of word speech 362 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: because she was able to move people who were so 363 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: set in their ways of thinking of progress or ways 364 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: of looking at Native people that they would pass this 365 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: after it had ben't failed. So I don't know what 366 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: kind of magical words she used, but we need to 367 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: imagine right now, Yes, for a few reasons. For a 368 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: few reasons. Uh yeah, and I read that the United 369 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: States meant will have a one dollar coin featuring her, So, 370 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: oh I didn't hear. That's exciting that was very exciting. 371 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: Looks like her son Um sculpted a bronze bust in 372 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: honor of her that was in the state Lobby of 373 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: Alaska as well. So she's a significant portion to the 374 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: history of Alaska, which is beautiful. Yeah did you see 375 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: the um we can do it? What was that that 376 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: war time derivat. Yeah, she's They have one for her too, 377 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: and I like that one a lot. Oh, yeah, that's awesome. 378 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: That is awesome, titch By saying that right, I could 379 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: not find a pronunciation for her name, unfortunately, so somebody 380 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: can correctus. I'm sure somebody will will hit me up 381 00:26:54,640 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: on Twitter. I'm sorry. Go ahead, So Tish for all 382 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: the point, for the point I'm going forward. Who is 383 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: who are they? Well? Uh, as we were talking about polonization, metrorosities, 384 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: desper kind of hard story. But as Tish was one 385 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: of the last batte or two spirit leaders, and I 386 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: think when I was talking to you, I mentioned transgender, 387 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: but to spirit isn't directly correlated to transgender. It's the 388 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: closest English term that we have for it, but that's 389 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: not exactly what it was. In Almost all Native cultures 390 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: had to spirit people. But you weren't just a different 391 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: gender than the one you were assigned at birth. I 392 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: say that because that's the term most accepted right now, 393 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: but often Tinans gender wasn't really design in Native communities. 394 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: But you are something more if you were to spirit 395 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: mm hmm, it's uh. It was really a third gender, 396 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: was beyond the gender binary. And they were also given 397 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: positions of leadership, and we're highly respected members of their communities. 398 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: Tish was the head of the Botte, the two spirit 399 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: leaders in her time. So we mentioned the Battle of 400 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: the road side with Buffalo cast road Woman. She actually 401 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 1: fought on the side. Yeah, So that bottle was between 402 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: the Cheyenne and Lakotas due on one side with Crazy 403 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: Horse and Buffalo cast road Woman, and on the other 404 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: side was the crow Into Shawne people. So it was 405 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: a little a little weird to kind of read the 406 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: different perspectives in telling their stories, because on the one hand, 407 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: you have all this bravery from the full cast road 408 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: Woman in celebrating her for being able to turn the 409 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: battle around, and then when you're talking about Ostreet, they 410 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: talked about her prowess and bravery even though they lost. 411 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: So it's very interesting and as usual, it'sbout land. And 412 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: there was a graphic I saw the other day about 413 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: how just from seventeen seventy six you can see the 414 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: number of Native Americans and where they were allowed to 415 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: be just dwindle across the state. And it forced not 416 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: only needed people to fight against the colonizers but also 417 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: against each other because their lands are being taken away. 418 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: But again they actish, and the crow and showny lost 419 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: and eventually the crew were confined to a reservation. Unfortunately, 420 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: at the time there were a lot of missionaries and 421 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: government agents that kind of ran the reservations. That's not 422 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: so much the case anymore now sovereign nations have their 423 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: own government, which is another story at the time, but 424 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: people did not accept two spirit people. It is outside 425 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: their sensibilities. The nicest way I just stay it. Yeah, 426 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: So just like in the boarding schools, in the residential schools, 427 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: hair was cut off. Two spirit people were forced to 428 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: wear men's clothes and do quote unquote men's work. And 429 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: in the face of that, Astos wore or neat dresses 430 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: with pride and when afric kind of work she did, 431 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: she always did, she did women's work. She was one 432 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: of the last two spirit people across all native cultures 433 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: two be alive. It was effectively wiped out for the 434 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: most part, between boarding schools and residential schools and just 435 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: people dying off. And unfortunately a lot of two spirit 436 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: people walked on before their turing. I think cans maders. 437 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: It's it's really hard to talk about these kinds of 438 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: situations because it's easy to get really emotional and go off, 439 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: but that's what you know, it's not gonna bring anyone 440 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: back to life, and it's it's just really tough to 441 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: read about these situations. You just have all this anger 442 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: that has nowhere to go on. I mean, obviously you're 443 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: somewhere to go here, because it's true. It is infuriating 444 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: to see that as a culture, what that was accepted 445 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: then was taken away from them because of a bigotry 446 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: idea of what is normal, which of course again we're 447 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: having to come back to and have conversations about, and 448 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: we're nowhere near progressing, especially when it comes to um 449 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: as you say, the too gendered as transgender as we 450 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: know it, or that's the best way we can um say, 451 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: identify with it. I guess that is still such a 452 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: fight to understand bigger than the scope of gender and 453 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: being gendered in general. Yeah, And the really hard thing 454 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: is that even though there are a lot of moves 455 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: to revitalize cultural practices, a lot of the information is 456 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: a lot the boy passed down, the two spirit leaders 457 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: passed down a lot of information amongst themselves. And if 458 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: they're all gone and nothing's written, what's they're for us 459 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:55,239 Speaker 1: to revitalize? Mm hmm. So we have people who are 460 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: too spirit and those things that are kind of becoming 461 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: more acceptable again. But what's missing is the medicine the 462 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: leadership did, tradition that came along with it. So, like 463 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: other things that Native people are trying to revitalize, we 464 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: can only kind of look at things as a guide 465 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: and then do what we can with it in our 466 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: in the scope of our modern culture. So this is 467 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: one of those lessons that we have to learn and 468 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: look back and make sure that history doesn't repeat itself 469 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: raising a culture or an idea or people's in general, 470 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: which is infuriating and heartbreaking in all the same ways 471 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: in different ways, I guess, says, but I did read. 472 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: So we are reading that the Crow tribe did stand 473 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: behind her um when she refused to conform to the 474 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: European roles that they were trying to place on them. Oh, 475 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: they absolutely before the supported her that she was a 476 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: leader and they had already seen what she could do. 477 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: She more than earned her position. Unfortunately, later in her 478 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: life she faced some kickbacks when were talking about the 479 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: the residential schools and boarding schools. They were there's really 480 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,879 Speaker 1: no nice way to say. They were horrific. People were 481 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: brainwashed and tortured, and one of the things that they 482 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: did effectively was take a whole generation of meat is 483 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 1: people and make them feel inadequate or that their practices 484 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: were outdated. And that's still something we're struggling with this day, 485 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: because there's a generational gap between knowledge. So you have 486 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: that the last generation to fight, and then the generations 487 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: that lived and grew up through the boarding school system, 488 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: and then our generation who's trying to revitalize the tradition. 489 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: And so that a lot of people I've heard them 490 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 1: talk about there trying to talk to their grandmothers about 491 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: certain practices and they're very resident We don't do that anymore. 492 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: Not all people who went to the residential schools and 493 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: boy schools are like that. Right under that kind of 494 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: psychological torture. I can't say anything about the people who 495 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: kind of changed or assimilated, because that's just a survival skill. 496 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: You have to if you're going to die or be tortured, 497 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: you have to assimilate, right, And that's that is exactly 498 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: what colonization was to bring this shame factor. If there's 499 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: only one culture that is correct, and it is whatever 500 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: the strongest or the most most forceful culture at that 501 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: point in time, which is absolutely kind of this whole 502 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: whitewashing of history for so many cultures in general, and 503 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 1: I mean whitewashing, and it is it is a horrific 504 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: thing that it brings on a shame factor for those 505 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: who have a different take or different understanding and different 506 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: culture on different background, which is, yeah, you're right, this 507 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: is unfortunate, and it's it's it's interesting to take that here, 508 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,439 Speaker 1: that perspective from you about how your generation is coming 509 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: in trying to relearn, but you are battling with the 510 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: still shame factor from the past generations that they were 511 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: taught or they were tortured, or they're forced on to them, 512 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: which is yeah, I've never actually thought about that in 513 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: the bigger picture, it's it's very it's something that you 514 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: don't seem normally, especially if you're not connected to a 515 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: native community. So some of my friends are in Nupia 516 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: in Alaska and they have the traditional tin tattoo, and 517 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 1: there are some women in the community who are older 518 00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: who see it as a bad thing because that's something 519 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: they left behind. They evolved past that now, but more 520 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 1: and more women are getting those traditional tattoos, and I 521 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 1: think it's absolutely beautiful that they're able to because it 522 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: really came from I think one book or one reported 523 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: book about tattooing and how they did it and what 524 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: the different clans and people have different patterns, and I 525 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: guess that they're just kind of building it up from there, right, 526 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: And what you're doing with bringing it forward and talking 527 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: about the history is also very very important so we 528 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: can see and recognize the tragedy that happens when you 529 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: oppress a culture in the society and the history that 530 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: is lost on that as well. A good job, Natalie, 531 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: I think, I mean, honestly, I am absolutely not an 532 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: expert in any of these cultures, in any of these 533 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: specific types. They're not mine. And went on this list 534 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: first of all, and second of all, I am nick 535 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: even if I am significantly indigenous, but I had to 536 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: I'm having to reconnect later in life anyway. And it's 537 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: only because I have two people who grew up within 538 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: the culture and made actual steps to educate myself that 539 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: I can even speak on it right, right, But I 540 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: think of what's and yes, there are definitely a lot 541 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: of experts out there, but coming out and having conversations 542 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: and and making sure people still know or at least 543 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: understand the bigger history is phenomenal in itself. And also, yes, 544 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: you definitely have a drive which is beautiful to make sure, honestly, 545 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: if anyone this knowledge, this information is available to everyone, right, 546 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: which should be we should have more stuff on this. 547 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: Moving on to the next person, And I'm not sure 548 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:10,479 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to say this name. I'm pretty 549 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: sure again I am Idea. But she is are you? 550 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: Are you? But she was an advocate for the people 551 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,240 Speaker 1: and also an author. She was one of the first, 552 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: well I think she was the first published Native American woman, 553 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: and she published a book called Life among the Pies, 554 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 1: Their Wrongs and Claims in next eighteen eighty three. She 555 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,320 Speaker 1: witnessed a lot of atrocities and violence against the people 556 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 1: and always spoke out against her treatment. And when I 557 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: say she spoke out, she gave us over three hundred 558 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: speeches on the true the maltreatment of Native people. She 559 00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: lived through the Banic War of eighteen seventy eight and 560 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: rescued a group of page people, including her father, and 561 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: continue to speak out even after she and a group 562 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: of pay were forcibly located to the Yakima Reservation until 563 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: her death took me. Tona fought for land rights and 564 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: human rights of Native people. It might not be a 565 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: surprise too for people, as she came from a line 566 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,800 Speaker 1: of leaders as a daughter of the chief and the 567 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: granddaughter of Chi's truck Ee. Unfortunately, there's not too too 568 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 1: much information I could find on her beyond that, but 569 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: we still have her writings. Her book is still available, 570 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: so that's us. And for sure I know that the 571 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,360 Speaker 1: Plight people talk about her a lot in there in Nevada. 572 00:40:53,360 --> 00:41:00,040 Speaker 1: Three speeches. It's impressive, it's impressive speaking you're like it 573 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: as an Indigenous female. What that takes a lot of courage. 574 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:13,800 Speaker 1: Here's so wanted to speak out in our community. It 575 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:19,720 Speaker 1: is not an abnormal thing. But when you're facing culture 576 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: that is kind of the opposite, especially in the eighteen hundreds. 577 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure it was very odd to look at probbing 578 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: all this freedom and respect is a Native woman and 579 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: then seeing the culture that you were trying to be 580 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: forced into. Yeah, m hm, I can only imagine. I 581 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: want to beat her book. Yeah, really need to find 582 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 1: that book next moment. But yeah, or less that, we 583 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: haven't started. I have a list you have, I know 584 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,919 Speaker 1: you have, I know you have. And then we wanted 585 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: to talk about Madonna thunder Hawk. There's one before that, 586 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,280 Speaker 1: which is okay, I'm really excited. Is it to Losta 587 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: or Red Good was a young named town Youngstown, Dakotas too, 588 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: and she's another writer, but she's also a musician and activists. 589 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: Her books were written among the first to spread traditional 590 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: Native stories and she wrote. She even wrote part of 591 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: the first Native American opera, called the Sun Dance Opera 592 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 1: in nineteen thirteen. While her writings of her experiences with 593 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,399 Speaker 1: boarding school applying fan stories are probably enough to make 594 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:46,760 Speaker 1: her historical figure National and the National Council for American 595 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: Indians and nineteen twenty six, and this enabled her to 596 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: lobby for Native rights to the United States Citizenship and 597 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 1: civil Rights. She served as president until her death. In 598 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: so we have another strong woman in leadership, not just 599 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: in the tribe but outside of it. Is well, so 600 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: that there's another another I don't know the operas are 601 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,240 Speaker 1: put into a book, but I'm sure she wrote another 602 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 1: books that you can add your boys. I think she 603 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,839 Speaker 1: she was pretty prolific um as she wrote and uh 604 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: from recording for what I found the Atlantic Monthly and 605 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 1: Harper's Monthly. Um so, yeah, that's I think some of 606 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: her works are out there. People should definitely go check 607 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: them out. Yeah. The College Hall is also just a 608 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 1: beautiful horror and she is another image of Indigenous Native 609 00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 1: strength and perseverance. I don't know. I want, like you know, 610 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 1: as a kid, you have all those posts of bands 611 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,239 Speaker 1: and stuff on your walls, right, I kind of want 612 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 1: to saw these women on my be awesome. I can 613 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 1: put it on your phone now as a motivation. Now 614 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,760 Speaker 1: there you go, not on not on the walls anymore, 615 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 1: is on your phone because you open it up. My 616 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 1: room is still covered in posters. I don't know what 617 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,799 Speaker 1: you're saying. Your house is covered in posters? Never mind, 618 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 1: I haven't I haven't graduated from I do too. I 619 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,400 Speaker 1: do too. You put on the ceiling too, so you 620 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: wake up in the is all these amazing women. Yeah, 621 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,359 Speaker 1: that'd be better than what I have. But I still 622 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: do in your ceiling, that guy, I mean, eventually you 623 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,720 Speaker 1: just ran into space and you have to put stuff 624 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: on the feelings. Never I've never been there, but okay, 625 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: that's my entire life. But I like this idea much better. 626 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 1: Is more than like Harry Potter and Star Wars, perhaps 627 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: more motive nor realistic. You are. Actually, this is probably 628 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 1: better than what she's got. So keep geping another ideas. 629 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: It would be more work appropriate. At least I could 630 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 1: be like, well, these are the people to better myself 631 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 1: by looking at these motivational warriors. Yeah, oh my goodness. Alright, next, 632 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 1: well we can get over more ideas. Now we're down 633 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 1: to Yes, Madonna Thunderhawk, all right, tell us about her. 634 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,919 Speaker 1: She's the last first normalist and of every monmalist, she's 635 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 1: actually still alive. I said that ignored that part. Being 636 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: alive would be alive as congratulations, not that being dead 637 00:45:54,680 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: as that, you know whatever, through a lot of crazy things. 638 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: So she is Cheyenne River, Sue and some Sausta coat 639 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:14,280 Speaker 1: and she's still in South Dakota, so she's not only alive, 640 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: still alive that organized the protest against the Dakota Pipeline 641 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 1: in two thousand and sixteen, and she was like wow, 642 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 1: and she organized that. She's seventy eight and she doesn't 643 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,360 Speaker 1: look it by the pictures I've seen, and I have 644 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: no doubt she's one thousand percent a woman to be 645 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:41,759 Speaker 1: reckoned with. When I read through everything she's seen and 646 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 1: taken part in, I just cannot imagine what it's like 647 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 1: to have lived through all these things and still have 648 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:58,439 Speaker 1: all the fire that she still what. She was part 649 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 1: of the Red Power movement, which I didn't even know 650 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,360 Speaker 1: where the thing that makes sense it was the sixties 651 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 1: and seventies. So Yu's black power. I just read power 652 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:15,399 Speaker 1: goes right along with it. Her first foray, as far 653 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,719 Speaker 1: as I could, Yeah, as far as I found was 654 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,239 Speaker 1: protesting during the nineteen sixty nine to nineteen seventy one 655 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 1: occupation of Outfit Dras. I had to ever heard of this, 656 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 1: but apparently there was a treaty between the government and 657 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,640 Speaker 1: the Dakota people that called the Treaty of Fort Laramie 658 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 1: that said all retired, abandoned or out of used federal 659 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,640 Speaker 1: land which to be returned to the Lakota who wants 660 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 1: to occupied it, and so they moved there from nineteen 661 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 1: nine seventy one. And also not surprised that the protest 662 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,960 Speaker 1: wasn't successful. The United States is not really known for 663 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 1: giving the land that It's blows my mind that she 664 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 1: also went through this as well. Wounded me is I 665 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,080 Speaker 1: don't know if I want to call it soul crushing. 666 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:14,880 Speaker 1: It's one of those moments that a lot and if 667 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,560 Speaker 1: he's bread there in my heart, it wounded me, you 668 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,720 Speaker 1: might know why so bad. But I highly recommend everyone 669 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,880 Speaker 1: read it. I think it should be required reading in 670 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:29,440 Speaker 1: high school personally, but um, I don't know if our 671 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,800 Speaker 1: government in this current climate is ready for me to 672 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 1: put that in school. Uh. But even after that, like 673 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,759 Speaker 1: I said, this woman has so much stamina and so 674 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 1: much perseverance. I don't even I just can't. She served 675 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,040 Speaker 1: as a director of the Wounded Me Legal Defense Offense 676 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,360 Speaker 1: Commity in December of Right Team seventy five. She also 677 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,040 Speaker 1: founded the Warrior Woman's Projects and just kind of so 678 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: many more organizations and movements to fight for news American people. 679 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,720 Speaker 1: And right, and she's still doing this work. That's awesome. 680 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:18,880 Speaker 1: I mean another another person to look to, to to respected, 681 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:25,360 Speaker 1: to be inspired by. So I would cry at that 682 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,160 Speaker 1: de mean her the ultimate goal to meet her. Yeah, 683 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,200 Speaker 1: obviously she's still because the pipeline issue hasn't been resolved 684 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,520 Speaker 1: other than no one's acknowledging it. To my knowledge, I 685 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 1: think that the code of pipeline is active, but we 686 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,840 Speaker 1: don't know that. There have been like oil spills and 687 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,000 Speaker 1: all sorts of problems the pipeline is going through Native 688 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:57,200 Speaker 1: land are legal, may violate several treaties, but to fight 689 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 1: and over things Native voices have not had the impact 690 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,320 Speaker 1: that they should have had, not right their own fault, 691 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:11,040 Speaker 1: but by our government and the news medium how things 692 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,080 Speaker 1: are covered with a lot of mothering and not a 693 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,239 Speaker 1: lot of compassions towards news people right as um Um 694 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,680 Speaker 1: was looking like. I know some of the Democrats who 695 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,800 Speaker 1: are running for president have used it as a platform, 696 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,320 Speaker 1: not not their platform, as a promise to shut it 697 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,520 Speaker 1: down or to reverse some of it. So it's still 698 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,799 Speaker 1: a big issue, but not big enough that they're talking 699 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,800 Speaker 1: about it on debates right now, which is sad and 700 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:41,520 Speaker 1: obviously really really um, I don't know what else other 701 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,920 Speaker 1: than yeah, it's just about right. It's not as important 702 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,719 Speaker 1: to some people, um as it should be, as it 703 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 1: should be about the lines that are affecting, but it's 704 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,680 Speaker 1: absolutely something that's still having to be fought for. And 705 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,200 Speaker 1: obviously we know, as you just said, she's been fighting 706 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 1: for um Kinomet has continued to be a big voice 707 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:04,840 Speaker 1: and pushing that as a as a conversation that we 708 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,400 Speaker 1: need to have more of. Yeah, and she has seen 709 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:15,200 Speaker 1: some real, real bloodshed. Part of my the November project 710 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: is talking about violent language that's still used in the 711 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:26,000 Speaker 1: media that inspires violence in real life. And her to 712 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:31,960 Speaker 1: see some of the most horrific moments in American history 713 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:37,640 Speaker 1: or modern whatever this period of American history is and 714 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:43,360 Speaker 1: still be fighting really is indicative of so much strength. 715 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,799 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's something really common when you hear 716 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:53,839 Speaker 1: these stories, especially need of women. They see these awful things, 717 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,920 Speaker 1: they see this genocide, and then in the face of genocide, 718 00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:02,200 Speaker 1: women are standing up and be being out. And that's 719 00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:07,400 Speaker 1: why it's so important to one read about your American history, 720 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:12,000 Speaker 1: take part in as much as you can to talk 721 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 1: about some of those things, and actually listen when Americans 722 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:22,839 Speaker 1: talk about issues they are facing ones. It's just a lot, right. 723 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,920 Speaker 1: We do have a little bit more for you listeners, 724 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,279 Speaker 1: but first we have one more quick break forward from 725 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:44,920 Speaker 1: our sponsor and we're back. Thank you sponsor. So you 726 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,200 Speaker 1: had mentioned earlier that there's obviously and we can all 727 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,200 Speaker 1: definitely research, but what would you point out someone that 728 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,799 Speaker 1: wants to learn more of the histories and the behind 729 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,880 Speaker 1: the scenes. Where would you point them? Is there something 730 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,680 Speaker 1: like reference books or it's that two old days referenced 731 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:07,120 Speaker 1: books resources? Thank you books. I'm not old, I'm not 732 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,560 Speaker 1: come out against books are used to encyclopedia from most 733 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,600 Speaker 1: of middle school. Okay, so I mean and when I 734 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:19,719 Speaker 1: say encyclopedia, I mean hard bound Britannica cyclopaediasms. So don't 735 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,920 Speaker 1: date me. But resources that you would point them to. 736 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:32,320 Speaker 1: Oh so I would recommend if you really want to 737 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,360 Speaker 1: know what Native history is like and why all of 738 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:43,520 Speaker 1: us are so passionate about it, I think diving in 739 00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,200 Speaker 1: head first is the best way to do it because 740 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,800 Speaker 1: we are living this reality and is it shocking to you? 741 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,000 Speaker 1: Imagine what it's like for us to see all your 742 00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,000 Speaker 1: reasure that are people have faced and it can see 743 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,120 Speaker 1: neewing now, so a good place to start to really 744 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:09,560 Speaker 1: get a handle on how much effort has been put 745 00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,920 Speaker 1: into eliminating Native people bury in my heart, it wounded 746 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,680 Speaker 1: me is the books. That's probably the the best place 747 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,640 Speaker 1: to start there. There's a narrative that I've heard of 748 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,640 Speaker 1: Native American spot against each other. So it's not a 749 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:33,239 Speaker 1: big deal that the United States also the colonial people 750 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,879 Speaker 1: also bought them. But it is completely different. We're talking 751 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:44,960 Speaker 1: about the make genocide as opposed to what kind of 752 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:53,880 Speaker 1: amounts to land suffle. And I will warn you that 753 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,120 Speaker 1: there are some things in the Wounded there my brother Wondanida, 754 00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:02,520 Speaker 1: are graphic, but it's absolutely necessary to hear those things. 755 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:09,360 Speaker 1: And usually again history like this, atrocities like this, and again, 756 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,640 Speaker 1: as you said, genocide, it's going to be graphics. So 757 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,640 Speaker 1: to expect less would be you look at a really 758 00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:19,600 Speaker 1: unrealistic version of history. Right. It would be like learning 759 00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,680 Speaker 1: about the Holocaust without learning about anything that has to 760 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:28,480 Speaker 1: get concentration camp, right, which is absurd in itself. Well, 761 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,480 Speaker 1: thank you so much, Natalie. I'm so glad that we 762 00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,880 Speaker 1: got to connect and that you were able to speak 763 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,080 Speaker 1: with us. Is there anything else that you want to 764 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,600 Speaker 1: add or you want to voice about what we're talking about. 765 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:48,279 Speaker 1: I okay, one thing, I I kind of challenge my 766 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,680 Speaker 1: listeners to do this. If you are not connected to 767 00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,400 Speaker 1: a needive community or any funds who are needed, I 768 00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:01,120 Speaker 1: encourage you too. On Instagram, watch Twitter, follow by indigenous 769 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:06,640 Speaker 1: people and just as you're looking to your feet and 770 00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,440 Speaker 1: as you're learning and hearing from these people, I guarantee 771 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,840 Speaker 1: you it won't take very long for you to realize 772 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,320 Speaker 1: that there are some things going on you might not 773 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,600 Speaker 1: be aware of. And I think that's kind of applies 774 00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,440 Speaker 1: to all ethnic groups. It's a good idea to know 775 00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,560 Speaker 1: what's happening and be aware and get out of our 776 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:29,399 Speaker 1: little bubbles. But it's very important, I think to make 777 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:35,959 Speaker 1: sure you are paying attention to Native voices, especially being 778 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,279 Speaker 1: on the land of people who are still here. Now, 779 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,000 Speaker 1: that's amazing. I love that. That's a great challenge and 780 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,480 Speaker 1: I think absolutely I would voice that and agree with 781 00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:49,560 Speaker 1: you that is to start to start with and do that. 782 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,920 Speaker 1: Um And now where can we find you on the interwebs. 783 00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,160 Speaker 1: You can find me on all social media platforms at 784 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,959 Speaker 1: some kind of Brown. My podcast Some Kind of Brown 785 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,200 Speaker 1: is on actually all of the podcast as I have 786 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,319 Speaker 1: any teenager website for a teenager because it still has 787 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:15,640 Speaker 1: a dot WordPress dot com, so it's some kind of 788 00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:20,040 Speaker 1: brown and it has all the episodes that I have 789 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,960 Speaker 1: I've had so far, and you can find out more 790 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,120 Speaker 1: about mid November or any of the guests or episodes 791 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,520 Speaker 1: that I've had on there too. Amazing. Thank you again, Um, 792 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,400 Speaker 1: you are awesome and I'm sure we're going to keep 793 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,160 Speaker 1: in connection. Yes, we wanted you to know we support 794 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,600 Speaker 1: everything you're doing and we want to make sure that, um, 795 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,960 Speaker 1: you know that we over here at sementthe love what 796 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,840 Speaker 1: you're doing and are great grateful that you're doing it. Yes, 797 00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,800 Speaker 1: thank you so much. How do you want to say 798 00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:59,760 Speaker 1: my girlfriend is a big fan of your podcast? Yeah, hello, hello, Yeah, 799 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,840 Speaker 1: I see a chance to move went and something that 800 00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,840 Speaker 1: I think I really appreciate what your higast is just 801 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:16,080 Speaker 1: about being a woman without necessarily putting a limit on 802 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,600 Speaker 1: what that means. And I think that's really company for 803 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:26,320 Speaker 1: people who are transgender women to just have this place 804 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,479 Speaker 1: where they can talk about femininity and being a woman 805 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,360 Speaker 1: in at the same time being included in the narrative. 806 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,160 Speaker 1: That brings us to the end of this another delightful 807 00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,680 Speaker 1: interview with UM all of your listeners. I'm always so 808 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,560 Speaker 1: impressed and inspired in awe the things that you all 809 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,120 Speaker 1: are doing. So keep keep letting us know what you're 810 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,480 Speaker 1: up to. We love hearing about it. Um. And, as 811 00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,680 Speaker 1: Natalie said, probably everybody on this list we could have 812 00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,120 Speaker 1: talked about a whole episode, right, It's not, as she 813 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,040 Speaker 1: had said before, even though I was like, oh, yeah, 814 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,760 Speaker 1: it's a big list, it really isn't. And it's probably 815 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,800 Speaker 1: an endless list of people that we could talk about 816 00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,240 Speaker 1: who identified as female or non binary that needs to 817 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,480 Speaker 1: be recognized, that we need to be talking about, and 818 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,960 Speaker 1: that their history does need to be preserved and the 819 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,640 Speaker 1: things that they have done for their community as well 820 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,280 Speaker 1: as for their culture. And I think I'm very sad 821 00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,720 Speaker 1: that we couldn't get we don't have all the information 822 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,600 Speaker 1: that we absolutely should and uh that that this is 823 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,000 Speaker 1: the first time I've heard of probably about four of 824 00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,200 Speaker 1: those women, some I've ever talked about that and that 825 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:40,760 Speaker 1: makes me really sad. Yeah, UM, And Natalie's says she 826 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,160 Speaker 1: had an entire spreadsheet of women and she had to choose. Like, 827 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,160 Speaker 1: I appreciate the difficulty of that, Natalie, as you as 828 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,640 Speaker 1: you're if you're listening to this now, UM, I've been 829 00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,200 Speaker 1: in that situation. Not similar, but be like, pick of 830 00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,040 Speaker 1: all of these amazing women, picked the three bests, and 831 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,840 Speaker 1: you're like, A, here's this movies and other things right now? 832 00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,479 Speaker 1: Is all I can think of this? Movi vies because 833 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,320 Speaker 1: we've been talking about movies. Yes, yes, but I also 834 01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:09,120 Speaker 1: have more important items in my brains sometimes. Um, but yeah, yeah, 835 01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,040 Speaker 1: I would love to hear about every single woman on 836 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,800 Speaker 1: that spreadsheet. So we'll see if we should just gotten 837 01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,280 Speaker 1: that so we can publish it. Oh, you can ask Satalie. 838 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,000 Speaker 1: Maybe she doesn't want to share your secrets. I don't know. 839 01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,200 Speaker 1: I'm putting that on my show. If not, you should 840 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,520 Speaker 1: definitely go listen to her show. You should absolutely do 841 01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,480 Speaker 1: that because, um, as you said, we all need to 842 01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,080 Speaker 1: know these stories and they're so valuable um and inspiring 843 01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:36,440 Speaker 1: they are. Yes. UM, So if you would like to 844 01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,040 Speaker 1: email us with whatever Europe to or people we should 845 01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,320 Speaker 1: be talking about, whatever is on your mind, you can 846 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,360 Speaker 1: do that. Our email is Stuff Media, mom Stuff at 847 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,360 Speaker 1: i heeart media dot com. You can also find us 848 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,840 Speaker 1: on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast or on Instagram at 849 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,360 Speaker 1: Stuff I've Never Told You Thanks to Natalie for being 850 01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:00,760 Speaker 1: our wonderful interviewee. Thank you to Andrew are super producer. 851 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:06,000 Speaker 1: Another thank you, and thank you for listening. Stuff Never 852 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,280 Speaker 1: told you his protection of I Heart Radio's How Stuff Works. 853 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,720 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from I heart Radio, visit the iHeart 854 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,160 Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your 855 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:13,840 Speaker 1: favorite shows.