1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Guys, what happened to a d C intern Schendrel Levy? 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: She gets her dream internship in d C and immediately 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: allegedly catapults into a sex relationship with the U. S. Congressman. 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: That's allegedly, But what I do know is Chandre Levy 5 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: was murdered. Why has the only real suspect in the 6 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: Chandra Levy murder seemingly disappeared? Thursday night on A and 7 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: E eleven o'clock Eastern eleven PM Eastern Grace Versus Abrahams Bobshell, 8 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: please join us Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius 9 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: XM Triumph Channel one thirty two M. A five year 10 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: old little autistic boy missing. Please help us find this 11 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: little boy not only a taught but autistic as well. 12 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: Joe Clyde Daniels in Dixon, Tennessee. Is he even alive? 13 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: He is autistic and non verbal. So far there has 14 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: been a three day search. Is he dead or alive? 15 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: Listen to the nine one one call? Okay, how old 16 00:01:50,160 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: is your censor? Okay? And that he has autis um? Okay? 17 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: How long ago was he last seeing? Oh la fn Okay? 18 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: All right? And what's his name? The name was Joe? 19 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: What's his last name? What was he wearing last night? Uh? 20 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: There was one patramas? What kind of pajamas? What do 21 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: they look like? Um? So with no us? Okay? Um? 22 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: Do you know how he got out of the house? Um, 23 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm also a walk the door? Okay? What's his David 24 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: Burns seven twelve? Okay sir? And you do you said 25 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: his name is Joe? What was his last name Daniels? Okay? 26 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: And what's your last name? Sir? Okay? What's your first name? 27 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: As all right, Josiah? And what does he look like? 28 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: It's got blond hair? Um? Okay? Um, got blonde hair, 29 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: blue eyes? Anything else? Topolis? Oh? I was like four 30 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: four fights all for a fetell? How much is the 31 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: way m sixty flaves down? Okay? Okay? Do you know 32 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: anywhere where he would go from your house? Um? I know? 33 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: Um if we don't know him? And then one m 34 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: h okay easy non verbal or easy verbal? That's noble 35 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: non verbal? Okay? And how the variance is autism? Um, 36 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: that's it's pretty significant. Joining us right now. Special guests, 37 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: the founder of Class Kids Foundation and one of the 38 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: most well known victims rights advocates in our country, Mark Class, 39 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: joining us, Mark Class, thank you for being with us. 40 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: You know, right off the bat, my ears per cup 41 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: when I hear the sun, who is autistic and non verbal, 42 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: must have unlocked the door and wandered out, well natually. 43 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: If in fact that is what happened, then what the 44 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: authorities and the searchings and they know this well are 45 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: going to have to do is they're going to have 46 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: to focus on any bodies of water, because for some reason, 47 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: autistic children are drawn to the water, and in fact, 48 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: the vast majority of autistic children that are found um 49 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: as a result of these kinds of things that are dead, 50 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: are found in bodies of water, you know, Mark Class. 51 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: I can't help it though when and I learned this myself, Mark, 52 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: I told you the night it happened, and this was 53 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: eight years ago. My children who were then too, we 54 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: had not only a lock on the door going from 55 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 1: the kitchen to the launder room, and from the launder 56 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: room you go outdoors. They suddenly I realized they could 57 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: reach up and flip the turn lock on the kitchen 58 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: door to get to the laundry room and then they 59 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: could get outside. Well. I immediately got another latch and 60 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: put it up at about six feet I had to 61 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: reach up to turn it so they couldn't get out 62 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: and wander. Well, it wasn't forty eight hours before John David, 63 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: who was a little monkey, ran up the stairs. There 64 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: were stairs beside that door going up beside the door 65 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: to the upstairs. He went up like four stairs and 66 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: reached up and opened the lock. Forty eight hours for 67 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: him to figure that out, and he was to Mark. 68 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: So it does happen, absolutely, absolutely, there's no question about it. 69 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: Children wander all the time. Mark class with me. Mark. Typically, 70 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: when a child goes missing from the family home, what 71 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: do statistics say, Well, statistics are pretty clear. First of all, 72 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: everybody agrees that there's no time to lose in these 73 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: types of situations. And if children are going to be 74 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: murdered as a result of an abduction, or if in 75 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: fact children aren't recovered within the first twenty four hours, 76 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: then the chances of recovering them alive dropped dramatically, particularly 77 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: in abduction situation. Seventy four percent of children that are 78 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: murdered as a result of an abduction will be dead 79 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 1: within the first three hours. Mark class. When a child 80 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: goes missing from the family home. How often is the 81 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: family or a family friend, relative involved as opposed to 82 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: a stranger, almost almost exclusively. UM. Typically you'll have hundreds 83 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: of thousands of cases of family abductions in a given year, 84 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: and you'll have somewhere under two hundred cases of true 85 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: stranger types of abductions. And as far as the abuse 86 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: of children, UM, the numbers are consistent. The vast majority 87 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: of children that are going to be abused are going 88 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: to be abused by somebody in the family or somebody 89 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: that's close to the family. A Tennessee five year old boy, 90 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: non verbal and artistic stick goes missing. You heard the 91 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: nine one one call, That call from Joseph Ray Daniels 92 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: reporting his five year old little boy Clyde Joe Clyde missing. 93 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: Now take a listen to the Dixon County Sheriff Jeff 94 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: Bloodsoe talking about footprints that may help them find the boy. 95 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: There were some indicators where we found what appeared to 96 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: be a footprint yesterday late in the evening, and that 97 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: took us out into that realm of the three miles 98 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: to four miles range. But as far as the radius 99 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: of what we're doing on foot and searching the fields 100 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: and the brush and the forest woods that hasn't been 101 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: to that extent yet, up to that three mile range, 102 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: but we moved north today where we had primarily had 103 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: some indicators on the south side. But we don't want 104 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: to ignore any area around us because of the way 105 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: he could move on us, and then we need to 106 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: double back and check those areas as well. But when 107 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: we're looking at the straight line, if he could travel 108 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: down the road, that's what pushed us beyond where we're 109 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: at it at this point, we went beyond a mile 110 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: with our foot searches, with our grid searches, but we've 111 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: exceeded that greatly with the support of the aircraft from 112 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 1: tv I and th HP. Now, when you said that 113 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: you guys have found footprints, does that mean barefootprints or shoe? 114 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 1: It would be a footprint without a shoe, and that 115 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: that's the indicators that we had that there was no 116 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: shoes when he left the home. Straight out to Pamela 117 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: fur investigative reporter with crime stories. Then a search like 118 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: no other ensued for three straight days. Volunteers, dogs, helicopters, 119 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: the works. What can you tell me about the search 120 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: for this five year old autistic Boypam. Well, everybody's involved, 121 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, even the t w r I, 122 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: t w r A, which is the Tennessee Wildlife Association. 123 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: Because it's such a wooded area. There was also a 124 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: body of water nearby. They went ahead and drained that 125 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: just to be on the safe side. They did not 126 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: find a body there. Volunteers hundreds showed up every day 127 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: to look for this young boy. Like you said, non verbal. 128 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: Even though they're shouting for him, they're hoping to find him. 129 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: They're not hearing anything from this boy, but hundreds of 130 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: people have shown up to look for him. Also, it 131 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: should be noted, uh, this is not the first time 132 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: that this young boy has wandered away from home. This 133 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: has happened a couple of times, and so they everyone 134 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: is very optimistic that they be able to find him 135 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: because this has happened before. The only thing that has 136 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: not happened is that an endangered child alert issued, which 137 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: they did do in this case immediately after the call 138 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: from the father. So after an urgent nine one one 139 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: call from the dad, the troops are summoned, hundreds of volunteers, 140 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:55,599 Speaker 1: police dogs, firefighters, e M T. Everybody joins in and 141 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: then the search takes a different turn list and during 142 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: the course of the investigation, and after a three day search, 143 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: it was determined that the child's father, Joseph Daniels, intentionally 144 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: killed his son sometime during the night of April the 145 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: three or fourth in their residence and then hid his 146 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: son's body. This morning, t b I agents arrested Joseph 147 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: Ray Daniels and charged him with one count of criminal homicide. 148 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: Daniels was booked in the Dickson County Jail on a 149 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: one million dollar bond. So let me understand this. To 150 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: Chryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute, the 151 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: dad confesses the five year old autistic boy is not missing, 152 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: that he's led everybody on a wild goose chase. He 153 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: confesses to killing his own son, Cheryl Nancy. He confessed, 154 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: but he won't say where the child is. In my concern. 155 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: Listening to the novel one call, when the call begins, 156 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: there is no sense of urgency on his heart. He 157 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: never asked for help. He is not panicked, he's not 158 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: in a hurry, he's not demanding, he's not frantic. All 159 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: of the things that you expect him to be, he's not. 160 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: He's calm and most of the time he's given one 161 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: word responses unless he wants to explain something. So he 162 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: wants to say, my son is autistic and we can't 163 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: find it. So what's important there? He's telling you the 164 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: most important thing to him is for you to know 165 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: the child is autistic, not that he's missing. He never 166 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: uses that word. He says we can't find it. And 167 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: if you keep in mind, this child has been missing 168 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: since the night before, he should be completely frantic, and 169 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: he's not. Is when he said words like escape and 170 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: then he said he unlocked the door and must have 171 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: gotten out, it leads me to believe there was more 172 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: abuse going on in that home, and potentially he does 173 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: not want you to find the child, to not only 174 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: discover there may have been abused, but also the manner 175 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: in which he died. Pamela, Well, Nancy, we've learned more 176 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: to tails about what happened that night Joe Clyde Daniels disappeared. 177 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: The arrest warrant has now been released, so we've learned 178 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: the father, Joseph Rae, told investigators that he actually hit 179 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: the boy repeatedly with his closed fist in the torso, 180 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: his head, his face until that little child was dead. 181 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: It happened at their home located on Garner's Creek Road 182 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,239 Speaker 1: in Dixon, Tennessee, which is about thirty miles west of Nashville. 183 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: The father tope police. He then took the body and 184 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: put it in the trunk of his car, drove to 185 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: some room, some remote location, and then dumped his son's 186 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: body just out there in the woods, remote location. Nobody 187 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: can find this child's body. Investigators are still looking. The 188 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: father has yet to tell them the actual location. The 189 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: child most likely is going to be somewhere that is 190 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: known to the father, an area that he was comfortable in, 191 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: knowing there would not be other people to see him. So, 192 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: for example, if he was a hunter, then the child 193 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: would be somewhere in the woods that he was known 194 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: to go to hunt. If he um was a camper 195 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: and he knew places to go where other people were 196 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: not going to be around, then he felt comfortable going 197 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: somewhere specific. Did he knew that he would not be 198 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: cult or seen disposing of this child. The interesting thing 199 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: is that he's not tell where the child is, and 200 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: that's extraordinarily telling. He's covering more than just the crime 201 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: of homifide. He's covered all the things that he's done 202 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: to that child overpair of time with me. Now, famed 203 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: defense attorney out of the Maryland jurisdiction, Robin Thicker, Robin, 204 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: he gave a confession. What is a possible defense for him? Now? 205 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: How could he stand by for three days and let 206 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: people search for his son? Well? Was he living in 207 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: the home. He wasn't even there. The child has wandered 208 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: away many times before. I think the parent who was 209 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: living then, how do you explain the confession of false confession? Robinick? Well, 210 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: we don't know that. We don't know the situation. How 211 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: long he was interrogate, at the pressure that was put 212 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: on him, there are many violations of these interrogation rules 213 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: of an ordinary person would expect. I think that the 214 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: police were so eager to find a culprit here that 215 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: they that they interrogated him in an improper way. Nancy 216 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: were also told that when Joseph Ray, the father, was arrested, 217 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: he was immediately placed on suicide watch and he's being 218 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: held there on a one million dollar bond. Listened to 219 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: Dixon County Sheriff Jeff Bloodsoy, his world is drastically changed 220 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: and his environment's changed that we um we put people 221 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: through a process of where we check them medically. We 222 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: have medical staff that works with us and under the 223 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: supervision of the doctor and nurses and people on on 224 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: on staff at the jail and on scene at the jail, 225 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: and when we have this, we want to just be 226 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: very cautious that we observe his actions and his behavior 227 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: and are able to respond if something's needed. And it 228 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: just puts him where he's in a booking area where 229 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: he's highly visible. You know, It's it's odd to Mark Class, 230 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: founder of classkis foundation the father according to police. I mean, 231 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: maybe figures right. Maybe he was pressured into a statement. 232 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: I find that hard to believe you'd be pressured into 233 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: saying you killed your own son. But why not tell 234 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: where the body is? Mark Class? What is in it 235 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: for him? Is he trying to work a deal? Oh 236 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: my god, Um, he couldn't be working a deal, I suppose. Um, listen, Nancy, 237 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: there's a special place in hell for parents that murder 238 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: their own children. And I would take everything this man 239 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 1: has said its face value. If he said he murdered 240 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: the child. There's absolutely no reason in the world he 241 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: would say something like that unless it was true, and 242 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: I think it's then he now it's incumbent upon him 243 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: at some point to let this little boy come home 244 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: and be put to rest. And if he doesn't do that, then, 245 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: um I I can't even speak to the diabolical nature 246 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: of his mind. When you hear the news that he 247 00:17:55,640 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: was intentionally killed by his father, it was you was 248 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: shocking and it was immediate heartbreak. We are talking about 249 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: the disappearance of a five year old autistic, non verbal 250 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: little boy, Joe Clyde, you know, to Pamela for Crime Stories, 251 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: investigative reporter Pamela. Other than the father seeing him, what's 252 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: the last known sighting of him? I mean the parents 253 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: say he was wearing his pj's when he was last seen. 254 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: Joe Clyde Daniels five years old, four ft tall, just 255 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: weighs sixty five pounds, blond hair, blue eyes, last scene 256 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: wearing pajamas. There were two other children in that house, 257 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: Nancy and eight year old and a three year old 258 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: and they've been placed with relatives. That's the good news. 259 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: The Department of Children's Services made sure of that. And 260 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: this is where we bring up the boy's mother. We're 261 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: not really sure of her status were involved in at 262 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: this point. There are all kinds of questions being posted 263 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: on social media and the like about the mother and 264 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: her possible role, but she hasn't been arrested at this point. 265 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: That Dickson County sheriff says he is aware of all 266 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: these questions, but would only say he's confident. The t 267 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: b I investigators are looking at every avenue in this case, 268 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: and the tb I confirms they are looking to see 269 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: if anybody else is involved, but that's all they're saying. Nancy, 270 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: We've got some breaking news on this story. In the 271 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: last few minutes, things have changed. The mother has been 272 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: taken into custody. Twenty seven year old Crystal Daniels was 273 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: also arrested. The specifics of arrest not yet known, but 274 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation apparently found enough probable cause 275 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: to charge her with one count of aggravated child neglect 276 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: or endangered Justice also tacked on a staggering bond of 277 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: one million dollars. It was the last time somebody else 278 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: saw him. When do I have an independent sighting of J. 279 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: Clyde so I can start my time when he was killed. Well, they, uh, 280 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: that's the last sighting. The grandmother had talked to him 281 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: on the phone, as in she did all the talking. 282 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: He couldn't, So we were told the grandmother had talked 283 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: to him earlier that day. We also have a witness 284 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: that says they saw some a child matching the description 285 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: around one o'clock in the morning then the morning of 286 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: the disappearance, but there's no confirmation that that actually was 287 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: the boy. So truthfully, the last sighting is coming from 288 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: those parents. How could somebody outside the home see the 289 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: boy at one am pam. The witness says they saw 290 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: him walking down this a child walking in that area 291 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: around one o'clock, and they didn't call police. That's the 292 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: part that I don't understand. If you see a young 293 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: child at one o'clock in the morning wandering around, why 294 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't you call the police at that time? Uh, we 295 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: don't know if that quote witnesses a friend of the 296 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: family or not. Ashley Wilcott, juvenile judge and founder of 297 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: child crime watch dot com. Ashley, if I saw a 298 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: child walking down the street or outside at one a 299 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: m I will call police and stay with the child. 300 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,959 Speaker 1: What idiot wouldn't stay with the child. Absolutely, there are 301 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: so many problems with this story and holes in the 302 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: story of this father, because honestly, nobody would leave a 303 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: child at one am and not at least call the 304 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: police and sit in the car and make sure the 305 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: child is safe until the police get there. This is 306 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: this is wrecked with all kinds of facts that mean 307 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: there's no reason not to believe this father when he says, yep, 308 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,479 Speaker 1: I murdered my child. To Sheryl McCollum, Cold Case Research 309 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: Institute Director, previous incidents of the little boy wandering off 310 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: had sparked hope he would still be alive. Listen, Joe 311 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: had walked away from the home of the occasions. So 312 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: we had been there to offer our services there and 313 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: we were able to have a good recovery or a 314 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: good rescue at that point. He was close by to 315 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: the home, and so we were there to work on 316 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: those incidents that we were calling. As the search unfolded, 317 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking about search dogs, volunteers, police, helicopters, boats, 318 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: the works. We thought there was a chance to bring 319 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: Joe Clyde home alone. Investigators even state that the boy 320 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: was spotted about a hundred yards from the home. What 321 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:31,239 Speaker 1: is that a football field? Hundred yards? Yeah? Then they 322 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: say they see a footprint near a creek three miles 323 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: from where Joe Clyde goes missing, and that that was 324 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: an indication he could be alive three miles Cheryl McCollum, 325 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: you really think that little boy got three miles in 326 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: his pj's at night. I do not, not by himself. 327 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: It would be difficult for me to think that a 328 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: five year old went three miles undetected. But again, when 329 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: the father right out of the gate uses the lord 330 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: to escape, that makes me think that perhaps the child 331 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: got out to get away. But three miles is a 332 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: long way for nobody to see him woken. Um, he 333 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: didn't go anywhere for help. Even though he's nonverbal, he's five, 334 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: He knows his way around that town. So he was 335 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: going somewhere specific. Um, you're talking about somebody hold enough. 336 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: They know where the story is, they know where their 337 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: neighbors are, they know where their friends live, where the 338 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: lake is, etcetera. So three miles away, I would be 339 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: curious to know where he might have been headed. Um. 340 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: And again, if there were additional footprints leading to and 341 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: not a way. That's gonna be something for law enforces 342 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: to figure out as they continue their circuit. And Nancy, 343 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: we need to start the beginning. In the beginning. Is 344 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: that now when one call that's the money of this 345 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: whole investigation. Why would the guy give the dad give 346 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: a confession that he kills his son, but then not 347 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: say where the body is. Is he angling for a 348 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: deal like you take the death penalty off the table, 349 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: or let me play the voluntary twenty years and I'll 350 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: tell you where the body is. To Mark Class, founder 351 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: of Class Kids Foundation, what do we do now, Mark, Well, 352 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, we we have to take what the father 353 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: said in space value and I think that what we 354 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: need is an expert interrogator, somebody that's going to be 355 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: able to get this man to the point whether they 356 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: take death penalty off the table or not to to 357 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: give it up, to let them know where little little 358 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: Joe Quide is so that they can so that they 359 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: can lay him to rest. He needs to do that 360 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: for all of the people that love him and all 361 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: of the people that have been searching for him. You know, Mark, 362 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: they loss of a child's life. I've seen so often 363 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: pled down to voluntary or even involuntary. When the parents 364 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: will say, oh, I was angry, it wouldn't stop crying 365 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: or this or that like somehow that's an excuse if 366 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: that happened to an adult, and it would absolutely not 367 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: be a hall pass for murder. Why our children's lives 368 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: treated differently marked, Well, they don't vote, they don't have money, 369 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: they don't really have any power. But let's just think 370 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: back to to another parent of a missing child who 371 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: swore up and down that they had nothing to do 372 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: with it and there was no reason to murder their child. 373 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: Remember Susan Smith out of out of Union, South Carolina. 374 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: It was exactly the same thing. There was no reason 375 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: she should have done anything to her children. They weren't 376 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: even they weren't autistic, they weren't problem children in any way, 377 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: shape or form. Yet she, in her tiny mind was 378 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: able to us before driving them into a lake and 379 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: letting them grow. You know, there's an effort now to 380 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: collect donations to build a Joe Clyde Daniel's memorial playground. 381 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: That's the hill View Baptist Church. That's cold comfort, indeed, 382 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean I admire the effort, Nancy, the outpouring from 383 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: the community has been tremendous. Hundreds have volunteered. Well, they 384 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: volunteered when everyone thought that little Joe Clyde was still alive. 385 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: Since the weekend after learning the horrible news that he 386 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: was murdered by his father, there have been several vigils 387 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: throughout the community. And then here's the sweet sweet story. 388 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: The school where Joe Clyde attended kindergarten decided to do 389 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: something special to remember him. His kindergarten class, you gotta remember, 390 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: they loved him even though he couldn't communicate verbally. They 391 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: really thought he was a special child, and they loved 392 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: him and and are really trying to deal with this 393 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: horrible loss. So the school has decided to make a 394 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: makeshift from real Actually, several have been set up all 395 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: over the school with apples. And you may ask why apples, Well, 396 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: his favorite smack. His teacher says, we're apples. So when 397 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: local businesses got when that these were the kinds of 398 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: memorials going up all over the school, they decided to 399 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: get together and donate apples. Nearly eight hundred have been 400 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: collected in memory of Clydes. He's got these memorials set 401 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: up with his picture and then apple kind of apple 402 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 1: bouquet kind of things set up all over the school, 403 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: and the school is also making plans to plant apple 404 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: trees on the grounds in his memory. I admire the effort, 405 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: Sheryl McCollum, but I want the boy, not a park 406 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: or a highway. There needs to be justice in this situation. 407 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: Needs be not only do they need to locate him 408 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: to bring him home so that he can properly be buried. 409 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: Um this case, when they do find him, there will 410 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: be evidence, most likely a great abuse that has been on. 411 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: Go listen to Dixon County Sheriff Jeff Bloodsoy, work's not done. 412 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: We're still there. We're still on scene and we're gonna 413 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: be there until we can get a recovery and bring 414 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: resolve of this. We have other family members that are 415 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: mourning and it's just been a devastating into this with 416 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: our hope that the whole time being that there would 417 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,719 Speaker 1: be a safe rescue. The boy's grandmother, Belle Daniels, Joseph 418 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: Daniel's stepmother, spoke to News Channel five. We're doing the 419 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: best we can do, and we I want pipple enough. 420 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: From the bottom of my heart, I appreciate everything to 421 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: the law enforcement in the churches and the news men 422 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: and all of the media and stuff is done for us, 423 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: And how's the family doings? Lens at the US. Well, 424 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: right now we're just feeling like it's a nightmare and 425 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: we're just hoping it to get closure. So I'd like 426 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: to say that when we found out about it, oh 427 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: my heart sunk, cause weren't no nothing, what was going on. 428 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: And when they couldn't get no leads or nothing, I thought, 429 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: I thought maybe somebody deducted him. And that's what I 430 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: really think. We were down in Texas to Joseph's arrest. 431 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: It was shocking because you raised a child from from 432 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: way back. You think you know him. You don't think 433 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: you would kill his aunt baby tipline one hundred T 434 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: B I find how many times have you done it? 435 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: Or would you admit to it? But dialing Now, of 436 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: course we are not allowed to say b U T 437 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: T in our house, so we call it pocket dialing 438 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: or in my case, bra dialing because I'll stick it 439 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: down my sports braw. Long story short, has it happened 440 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: to you? Have you sent an un intended email or text? 441 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: I've done that with disastrous results. But all of those 442 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: butt dialings and bride dialings and pocket dialings and unintended 443 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: emails and texts, what if it got you fired? Yeah? Fired? 444 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: That is what is being alleged right now. A man 445 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: loses his job after he accidentally pocket dials his boss. Now, 446 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: according two reports, he was talking to his wife about 447 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: his boss. Whoopsie. That all went sideways because at the time, 448 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: according to reports, Stevens did not realize he had pocket 449 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: dialed his boss, who could hear the conversation, and not 450 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: locking what he heard, he kicked the guy out. I 451 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe it was time for the boss to 452 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: have a little introspection and self evaluation. But hey, that's 453 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: a whole another can of worms. That that calls for 454 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: a shrink. Not a lawyer like myself joining me right now, 455 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: a very well known lawyer in his area in his 456 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: jurisdiction of Rome, Georgia, David Golden Shoe and with me. 457 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: James Stevens, who was kicked out lost his job over 458 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: a butt dial his wife, Gina Stevens, the wife of 459 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: the button dialer. Gina, sorry to refer to you like that. 460 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure growing up you never thought. Gee, one day 461 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: I want to grow up and marry a butt diller. 462 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,479 Speaker 1: Sadly you're in this position with me. Dr Brian Russell, 463 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: lawyer and psychologist, host of hit show Fatal Vows on 464 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: Investigation Discovery, and Ashley Wilcot, juvenile judge and founder of 465 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: child crime watch dot com victim's advocate. Well, first, I'm 466 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: just gonna start off, Ashley Wilcott, if we got fired, 467 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: every time somebody did a button l or a pocket dial, 468 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: would all would all be in the unemployment line right exactly. 469 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: And so you have to talk about what's that right 470 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: to privacy? And if I accidentally butt dial somebody, I 471 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: don't expect that my privacy is going to be violated 472 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: and somebody's going to use that against me. You know 473 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: another thing, As I said, I needed to shrink. Luckily 474 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: we've got Dr Brian Russell from Investigation Discovery. Dr Russell. 475 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: Everybody complains about their boss. I mean, I don't care 476 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: what kind of a great job you've got. When when wow, 477 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: I've got to come in early and start ten minutes 478 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: early today? When when wow, I've got to work at night? 479 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Oh this commune is terrible. Why did 480 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: they speak to me like that, Why does so and 481 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: so get a raise? Blah blah. It goes on forever. 482 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody, no matter how good you've got it, 483 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: if you step back and look at it, we're all 484 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: really lucky to have jobs. But that's the human condition. 485 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: I don't know how the Lord puts up with us. Frankly, 486 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: we all complain. Isn't that true? Dr Brian Russell? Okay, 487 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: I admitted complain about how early we taped the show. 488 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: We all do think about poor Allen Dike on the 489 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: West Coast. I mean, everybody complains about your boss, no 490 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: matter how great. I had the greatest boss ever, Lewis Layton, 491 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: the elected district Attorney. But I would absolutely whine about 492 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: my job as I was tramping through housing projects through 493 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: the rain and having people try to sell crack cocaine 494 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: to me on the corner. Yes, I complained, Dr Russell, 495 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: but I had a great job. What is wrong with us? 496 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: Why don't we all complain? Well, you know, I think 497 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: it's kind of like, uh, whenever we are in a 498 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: hurry to get somewhere, we always perceived that we're getting 499 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: all the red lights, when you know, in truth, were well, 500 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: we are I know, I am Dr Russell, I get 501 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: all the red lights, and I'm also in the wrong 502 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: line at the grocery store, you know, and my husband 503 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: so much worse. Oh, some bosses, uh, you know, would 504 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: would look at a situation like this and say, you know, 505 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: this person has the uh you know, has the audacity 506 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: to pick out the negative parts of this job and 507 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: complain about me. I'm gonna fire the person. Other bosses 508 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: would look at this and go, this might actually be 509 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: a chance for me to learn something about what's going 510 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: on in my workplace that I otherwise wouldn't have had 511 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 1: a chance to know. And so I'm gonna I'm going 512 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: to not let on that I know this information, but 513 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna use it to try to keep my good 514 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,959 Speaker 1: employees here and and maybe actually try to fix something 515 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: about this workplace. Well. As you can imagine, in all 516 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: my various jobs, whether I was bossing around investigators or 517 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: um defense lawyers are trying to boss judges around. That 518 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: usually didn't work very well, but I tried. I mean, 519 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: there's always going to be somebody or a lot of 520 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: people that don't like what you do or what you 521 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: say with me. Right now, let's go out to James 522 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: Stevens and Gena Stevens, his wife, and with us they're 523 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,280 Speaker 1: very well known. Attorney David Golden Shoe out of room, Georgia. 524 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: James Stevens, let's start at the beginning. Tell me how 525 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: it all went down. And I had had actually tell 526 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: a work on the day that this took place. Later 527 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: in the evening. It was a Tuesday. Uh tell A 528 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: worked every Tuesday, and uh, well, after my hours my 529 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: my work hours were from six a m. To two 530 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: thirty pm, and UM, at about five o'clock I received 531 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: the phone call from Mr Cohen. And during the course 532 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: of that phone call, he was calling to grumble and 533 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: complain himself because a female UH state agency department head 534 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: had high headed him at a state department head agency 535 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: meeting earlier in to day. But what does that mean? Hi? Whoa, whoa? 536 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: What has I had? And give him the time of day? 537 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: Didn't didn't been spending a lot of time conversing with him. 538 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 1: Uh it was too goodness. Now that's a whole another 539 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: can of worms. How easily men get their feelings? And 540 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: I had no idea. Okay, go ahead, James Stevens. You 541 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: worked from six a m. To two thirty PM, and everybody. 542 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: That is not uncommon for state workers. They have different shifts, 543 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: so some people will get off at three and and leave, 544 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: some people get off at five. That's just the nature 545 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 1: of it. And that's what I remember. I would coming 546 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,919 Speaker 1: to the d a's office and the drug indictments would 547 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: have been there since four in the morning, drawing up 548 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 1: drug indictments to present to the grand jury. And then 549 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: then I'll leave it, you know, noon when grand jury 550 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: let out. So you work from six to two thirty, 551 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: and your boss calls and begins grumbling as somebody, some 552 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: woman ignored him at a meeting. Okay, go ahead. And 553 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,280 Speaker 1: he had called me regarding that top against the department 554 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: head that actually grew up in the same hometown of 555 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: Cedar Town that I grew up in. So that's that's 556 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: why it made the call. M uh. You spent about 557 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 1: fifty minutes on the topic. Finally, finally the call ended. 558 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: Normally at five o'clock in the evening, I would already 559 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 1: have my phone tired in the bedroom on the charger, 560 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: but because I've received the call, it was not put 561 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: up what normally is and UM and my wife had 562 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: a conversation I had quite a quite a commute from 563 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: Cedar Town to Atlanta every day, and even though I 564 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 1: had very conducive work hours, I still my wife and 565 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: my time was limited because of the commune I had 566 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: back and forth from Atlanta. So Um, she was a 567 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: little bit distraught that I had received the phone call 568 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 1: that lasted about an hour on personal private time and 569 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: we had a conversation. Okay, wait a minute, hold on 570 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: James with me. James Stevens who got fired over a 571 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: butt dial with me as his wife Gina, and their 572 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,760 Speaker 1: lawyer David golden Shoe, well known in his jurisdiction of Rome, Georgia. 573 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: You know, hold on just a moment, Ashley will caught. 574 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to you because I haven't managed to get 575 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 1: Dr Brian married with children yet, although I'm trying, you know, 576 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: being smart and good looking, apparent he doesn't attract women 577 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:06,760 Speaker 1: the way it used to, Um, Ashley. It drives me insane. 578 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: When I start working at five thirty in the morning, 579 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: I worked straight through. I finally get with the children, 580 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: and all of the all the people I work with 581 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:24,800 Speaker 1: on the West Coast alan start calling at supper time. 582 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: I mean, they the minute I get with the twins. Finally, 583 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: you know David James and Gena. You may not know 584 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: now my twins think on eleven and a half. But 585 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 1: I got pregnant at forty seven and gave birth at 586 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: forty eight. I did not wait forty eight years to 587 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: have children. To talk on the phone at dinner time. Okay, 588 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,439 Speaker 1: so I am in Gena's I'm on Gena's side here. 589 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,720 Speaker 1: Of course, when it's your boss, you're kind of stuck 590 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: with it. I mean, Ashley, does that happen to you. 591 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: You've got a whole house full of children, dogs, pets, 592 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,479 Speaker 1: the works, just like us. Why does the let's start 593 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: ringing at night? Don't people get it? Always? I think 594 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: it's inevitable right this day and age. I think in 595 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: our American culture, people think they're gonna work when I 596 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: need them to work. They can work anytime I need 597 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 1: to reach them now, And so it's always incumbent on 598 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: us to say we need some boundaries. Can't talk right now. 599 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: I've got to do something that I would never I 600 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: need them, my people. That's these all these creatures want 601 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: to eat. He eats like a horse. Lucy a rescue cat, 602 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: a rescue dog, and to rescue guinea pigs much less 603 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: my husband. Everybody wants to eat, and when they want 604 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: the electricity on, they want the power on. They want 605 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, so, hey, I'll take the call 606 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: and then I'll complain about it. That's just what James 607 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 1: Stevens did. But that's it everybody does, especially when it's 608 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: your boss calling. When your boss is calling, you're not 609 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 1: gonna say, oh, sorry, can't talk right now. But the 610 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: reality is it's our human nature. Like you already said, 611 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: to then be able to vent. I'm not gonna stay 612 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: complain bent. I bent to my husband about that stuff. 613 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 1: Everybody does it, so you're I can't believe he's calling hello. Okay, 614 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: So Betty Gina Stevens, can I talk to you for 615 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: a moment about the community? Ma'am? I mean, why did 616 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: you even get married? If he's in a car the 617 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: whole time? Why bother? And we're not in there with him. 618 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,959 Speaker 1: We've been married thirty years, and during that thirty years 619 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 1: he did not always work in Atlanta, so at least 620 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 1: you can remember a time. But I mean, so the 621 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: boss calls, wait, I'm getting off time, I got out 622 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: of sequence complaining about Alan. Do you calling at night, 623 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,279 Speaker 1: James Stevens. So your phone is you normally docket? Right? 624 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: What happened this time? This time? I put it in 625 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: my pocket and uh uh, and my wife and I 626 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: started a conversation and white which pocket man? I asked 627 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,360 Speaker 1: to be rude? Uh? Shirt pocket? So it's a chest dial. 628 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: It's in your You got it in your shirt pocket 629 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 1: up front? Right, yes, ma'am? Are you is it a 630 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 1: flip thone? No, ma'am, okay, cause I started to say 631 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: out and see how that would happen with a flip phone. 632 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 1: What do you have a smartphone? The phone was a droid? Yes, adroid? Okay, 633 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,240 Speaker 1: honestly I need what I have? This is an Apple? Correct? 634 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: I don't. It's an iPhone? Okay. So you don't have 635 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: a galaxy that blows up, do you? For Pete's sake? 636 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: So you've got a droid. You've got it in your 637 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: shirt pocket. Just let me get the picture. Have you 638 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: changed from work? Are you wearing casual clothes or your 639 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: work clothes? Well? I had tell a work that day, 640 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: so it was casual cloth teller. That means you did 641 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: it by a computer and phone. Okay, So you have 642 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: and what time of the evening is this let me 643 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: understand this is um this at this point, this is 644 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,399 Speaker 1: about six thirty in the evening, and man's been working 645 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: since six o'clock. So so me and my wife are 646 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: having having a conversation about the call that had just 647 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: ended on personal time and noticed that my shirt was 648 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: illuminated and all beenants into the conversation. Twelve minutes into 649 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: the conversation, noticed my shirts illuminated, and U lo and 650 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 1: behold it's connected to Mr Cohen and UH in his 651 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: in his court pleadings and had actually admitted that he 652 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: realized that the call was in it Burton. The next morning, 653 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 1: when he UH was dismissing me, he made comments about 654 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 1: how busy Gina was in the conversation made made made 655 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,879 Speaker 1: comments about my wife, which I thought was extremely inappropriate. 656 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: Time wait wait wait wait wait, David Golden Shoe run 657 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: Georgia lawyer, David, what did the boss say about the wife? Gina? No, 658 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 1: that part is not in the platys Um Nancy, um 659 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,399 Speaker 1: what what? What we have here is the situation where 660 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: some comments were made that they were not unkind comments, 661 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,839 Speaker 1: they were perhaps unflattering, um, and they were primarily made 662 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: by Gina and because James apparently didn't want to defend 663 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 1: his boss in front of his uh while while having 664 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: a private conversation with his wife, UM, a very insecure 665 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: boss decided decided to make a decision to determinate James. 666 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 1: And what's amazing about it is the Attorney General's office 667 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 1: approved the decision in advance, not even realized that what 668 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: what the boss had done was a felony under Georgia laws. 669 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: But dialing has just gone from annoying to alarming because 670 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: a man has been fired after his boss. Here's a 671 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:43,280 Speaker 1: butt dial. Now, you do know that a previous court 672 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 1: has ruled an airport executive who accidentally calls a colleague 673 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 1: used the overheard conversation against him and there was no 674 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: right to privacy. That was a Kentucky airport case, right. 675 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 1: But there's there's a very interesting thing. The way that 676 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:05,399 Speaker 1: that story is is um is reported is actually inaccurate. 677 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 1: Said in that case was that, first of all, it 678 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 1: was a federal statute much narrower than Georgia's. Second, they 679 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,319 Speaker 1: said that while the dialer the the pocket dialer does 680 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 1: not have her expectation of right to privacy. In that case, 681 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 1: they found that the wife his wife that he was 682 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 1: talking to did have an expectation, and she did have 683 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 1: a claim under federal law against the people that listened 684 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 1: into the conversation, So that court actually found it in 685 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: this case. Gina very clearly, if it were the federal 686 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,839 Speaker 1: statute we were pursuing, would have a claim they they were, 687 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 1: they were less friendly to the person in James situation. 688 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: But again, the Georgia statute is much broader than the 689 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,720 Speaker 1: federal statute, and I think it would encompass some James 690 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 1: right as well. But Gina is the one who's really 691 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 1: hurt here from remember when this conversation was over and 692 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 1: then he got fired the next day. Gina is the 693 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 1: one standing there saying, oh my gosh, did I say 694 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 1: something that got my husband of thirty years fired? She 695 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: is the one with the guilt trips. He'd only had 696 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: the job two years, but here he is in a 697 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 1: dream job for him, and his wife now has to 698 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 1: deal with the guilt and the the stress, et cetera 699 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: of of something perhaps she has said has gotten her 700 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: husband terminated. And as we said, what she said was 701 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: not unkind, but perhaps it wasn't very flattering. But that's 702 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: about it. Oh Okay, so not unkind, but unflattering, like 703 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 1: did she call him a jackass? Didn't go that far. 704 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 1: Gina Stevens doesn't have that any So if it didn't 705 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,279 Speaker 1: go that far, I mean, maybe it's just my my 706 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 1: view on the world having handled Felony's murders in in 707 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: apes and child list stations. I mean, I just expect 708 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: that people are going to grumble about their boss, Gina Stevens. 709 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,400 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a very heavy burden for you to carry, Yes, 710 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 1: mam it he is. Um My, my husband was two 711 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,399 Speaker 1: years away from having his estate retirement through the State 712 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 1: of Georgia, because though he had been at this job 713 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 1: two years, he had been with the state for eight years, 714 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,480 Speaker 1: and um, so he enjoyed his job very much and 715 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 1: trying to retire there. And so I feel very guilty 716 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 1: that something that I said caused him to lose his job. 717 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,560 Speaker 1: And Gina, let me ask you a question. I want 718 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: you to put yourself in the boss's shoes. You know 719 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,000 Speaker 1: what you said. Would you have fired somebody over that? 720 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely not? Absolutely not. I mean, Gina, I would have 721 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 1: used that time for self reflection and I would not 722 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: have fired someone from that. Ashley Willcot you know, I 723 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 1: was with the the SAIDs for three years and then 724 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: a felony prosecutor in state court for ten years, and 725 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: I missed the retirement. She's talking about you vest after 726 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 1: ten years. I missed it by about ten days. So 727 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,440 Speaker 1: I didn't vest when I left the d a's office 728 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:27,279 Speaker 1: to go to court TV. I sure did, but there 729 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 1: was a new, newly elected d A. And and I 730 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,799 Speaker 1: mean that was it for me, and there was nothing 731 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,280 Speaker 1: I could do about it. That's a lot, what Gina 732 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,680 Speaker 1: and James are saying about the retirement. That's a lot 733 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 1: to lose. It is significant, Nancy. I worked for the 734 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,279 Speaker 1: state for a three year appointment period and loved it. 735 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,719 Speaker 1: But let me just say this. You're working for the state, 736 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 1: you have your pension, you have your plans, you have 737 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,200 Speaker 1: a job that is your dream job, and then you 738 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,080 Speaker 1: lose it because it sounds to me like a boss 739 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 1: got his feelings hurt is really uh, destroys not only 740 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,600 Speaker 1: the employee but their entire family over her feelings. Well 741 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,640 Speaker 1: here's the other thing, David. You know what, David Golden, 742 00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,280 Speaker 1: She let me go to your client, James and your clients, 743 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,279 Speaker 1: James and Gene James Stevens. When I first heard this 744 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:22,759 Speaker 1: and the the content was not in there like what 745 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,680 Speaker 1: you were talking about, I'm like, oh, my stars, they 746 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,719 Speaker 1: must have been doing a dope deal. They must have 747 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: been talking about robbing a seven eleven or burying a body. 748 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,800 Speaker 1: It's nothing like that at all. And it wasn't you talking. 749 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,320 Speaker 1: Your wife had a few choice words about your boss. 750 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,640 Speaker 1: Am I understanding this correctly, James, Yes, ma'am. That's that's 751 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,040 Speaker 1: that's how, that's how the reality of it was, Yes, ma'am, 752 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:55,000 Speaker 1: and her her and her phone did not initiate the call, 753 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,919 Speaker 1: and she was in the primacy of of of our home. 754 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,600 Speaker 1: And regrettably, the state attorney has actually taken the position 755 00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:08,399 Speaker 1: that um, not only uh was it okay to fire 756 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 1: me when he had you know, I'm not sure if 757 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,239 Speaker 1: he was told that where the information came from. But 758 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,920 Speaker 1: it's it's alarming that your First Amendment right and your 759 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 1: privacy right could could end in in something that impacts 760 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,240 Speaker 1: your family in such a devastating manner. This just doesn't 761 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:34,640 Speaker 1: seem right to me. Dove David Golden Shoe, Rome, Georgia lawyer. 762 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 1: Where does the case stand right now? Data? Well, UM, 763 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,640 Speaker 1: one thing, one thing. I'll interject and answer your question. 764 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 1: What was said in the conversation was factually accurate. Not 765 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:51,480 Speaker 1: particularly pleasing to hear, but factually accurate. As far as 766 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:57,280 Speaker 1: where the case stands, UM, the the Attorney General's Office 767 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,560 Speaker 1: UH will be filing an other set of pleadings responding 768 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,839 Speaker 1: to that. Their reply breries in response to us, they 769 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,200 Speaker 1: have moved to dismiss the case on the very unseemly 770 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 1: grounds that while um Mr Cohen was committing this felony, 771 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 1: that because the conversation he overheard had something to do 772 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,080 Speaker 1: with work, then he was acting in his official capacity 773 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,680 Speaker 1: as a director of a state agency and therefore is 774 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,359 Speaker 1: quote with immunity. I want to point out we did 775 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,240 Speaker 1: not sue the state. We're not looking for one penny 776 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,959 Speaker 1: from the state. We did not claim that any act 777 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 1: he did was an official act. Were suing him directly 778 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,360 Speaker 1: simply to hold this man accountable for the crime that 779 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,640 Speaker 1: he committed. Yet the Attorney General, which started off by 780 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,640 Speaker 1: making giving bad advice in this case we suspect, has 781 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,759 Speaker 1: now come in perhaps trying to cover up that um 782 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,600 Speaker 1: that mistake they made, and is defending him and is 783 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,560 Speaker 1: claiming that the sovereign immunity of the State of Georgia 784 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 1: protects this state director from the crime that he committed 785 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,360 Speaker 1: in this case, and then, of course, the complete immoral 786 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:19,759 Speaker 1: act of terminating James Well, I tell you this much, 787 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,000 Speaker 1: David Golden Shoe. If you and James Stevens and Gina 788 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:29,759 Speaker 1: Stevens could get over the initial hump, you can get 789 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,200 Speaker 1: this to a jury. You guys would win this case 790 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,600 Speaker 1: in front of a jury. I'm just telling you that much. 791 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 1: If you can get past a directed verdict, you're gonna 792 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,080 Speaker 1: I really think you would win this case before a jury. 793 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:48,360 Speaker 1: With me, James Stephens, Gina Stevens, and David Golden Shoe, 794 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:54,439 Speaker 1: the case goes on Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off 795 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 1: goodbye friend,