1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Well Jacks Drive Time with Ashlyn Selli tells John Oshans 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: Bryan Jags right time starts right now. Gosh, He's gonna 3 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: be again one of these versatile, you know, defensive lineman, 4 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 1: whether he's playing on the edge or playing inside. You know, 5 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: brings some value on third down obviously, um, the pass 6 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: rush and and and they've been a rotational guy, guy 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: that we can, you know, keep the line fresh throughout 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: the course of the game. And these guys don't have 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: to you know, play you know, seive percent of the snaps. 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: You can you can really spread it around. I think about, 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: you know, the year the year we won the Super Bowl. 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: I mean, guys like Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham when 13 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: we playing in sixty six snaps because we were rotating, 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: you know guys. And and that's what you gotta have, 15 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: you know. Um, there's guys that can come in and contribute. 16 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: And he'll be one of those guys. A guy we 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: haven't spoken a lot about his free agent acquisition are 18 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: and Key and it's a guy we're going to start 19 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: talking about because he's playing so well this offseason and 20 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: the versatility that they have on the defensive line and 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: the creativity that they can use is definitely a storyline 22 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,639 Speaker 1: at this point of O T as in June Welcome 23 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: to Jaguars Drive Time, Ashlan Sullivan, Brian Sexon and John Owes, 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 1: you're here with you. When Cooke Peterson said that this morning, 25 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: I thought, oh yeah, Art and Key, we never talked 26 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: about him. Brian wouldn't here yesterday. It was travel. If 27 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: you notice the respect and admiration that Doug had for 28 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: the question myself that that you could tell it was special, 29 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: but it was a very nice bond. Art and Key 30 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: I did talk about to practice yesterday. He Uh, he 31 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: has been a guy who's getting forgotten about a little bit. 32 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: Brian and I don't know that he's going to be 33 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: a ten twelve sec Pro Bowl guy, But in the NFL, 34 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: you need a defensive line that comes at you in waves. Uh. 35 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: It's hard to have waves without guys to do it. 36 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: He's certainly one of those guys. You can do it. 37 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: If you package him with Trayvon Walker, with Josh Dwan 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: smoot Um. All of a sudden, you've got a lot 39 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: of guys who teams have to account for a little bit. 40 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: And I think he has been forgotten a little bit. Look, 41 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: he wasn't as effective in Oakland, Las Vegas right as 42 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: he was in San Francisco. Why is that Well, because 43 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: he had big guys, you know, Eric Armstead and Nick 44 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: Bosa in front of him. He didn't have to be 45 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: Nick Bosa, right, he just had to be one of 46 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: those guys like Johnson that would come in waves. Well, 47 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: that's why Trayvon Walker is so important, Josh Allen so important. 48 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: Now you've got a guy like Art and Key who 49 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: can play a role, who can come in and if 50 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: he gives you eight sacks, you're thrilled. Eight sacks from 51 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: Arden Key, who you signed in you know what, April 52 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: to come in as a free agent. That's perfect. That's 53 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: exactly what his role should be. You're not putting too 54 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: much pressure or too many expectations on him. If you said, well, 55 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: we've got Art and Key, everything's fine, We've got a 56 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: pass for USh, you'd be like, yeah, I don't know 57 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: about that. Now you're bringing the first overall pick of 58 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: the draft to combine with him. Now you've got a wave. Yeah, 59 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: you got some options for sure. And on that same note, uh, 60 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: Smooth had what I think six sacks and a half. 61 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: You forget about him. Sometimes. I would make the case 62 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: that he was their second best player along the front seven. 63 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: Can you imagine if he's your fifth best player? The 64 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: great point and that's what he might be this year. 65 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: They like their front seven coming in Doug Peterson tight 66 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: end and defensive front seven or the two areas that 67 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: he likes the most outside Trevor Lawrence, of course. Um, 68 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: if it's even better than what they thought last year, 69 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: I don't know it's gonna be elite pass rush. Yeah, 70 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna get pressure, but it's gonna be 71 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: so much stouter than it was. Like, I know, you 72 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: want to get the big things. But I have to 73 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: say this because you might not recall this because in 74 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: two thousand seven you were how old? Yeah, I get it, 75 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: you weren't even driving yet. Um, the undefeated Patriots went 76 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: eighteen and all wint to the Super Bowl to take 77 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: on the New York Giants, who had gotten There was 78 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: a wild card, and everyone thought this was a no brainer. 79 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: You know, they were going to be the first undefeated 80 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: team since the Dolphins in seventy too. But Matthias kaiwa Uka, 81 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: you know, and Justin tuck Um and uh, Straighthanda the 82 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: straighthand guy right, they just came in waves, and ever 83 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: since then you have had teams trying to find that 84 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: that wave of guys and if you've got it, you 85 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: can beat the best quarterback playing his best football. Yeah right, 86 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I don't think you would figure that. 87 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: All right, let's get into big things, shall we. Big 88 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: thing one as priorities, we talked about it for months. 89 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: The priority of the off season is getting more impactful 90 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: guys pretty easy right while we're seeing it come to 91 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: life on the field right now, especially on the defensive line, 92 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: which we just spoke about. It's taking the pressure off 93 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: oft well. I I think it can only help him, 94 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: you know, and it takes a little um, you know, 95 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: uh pressure or stress whatever off off of him. I 96 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: think you know, opponents are going to have to if 97 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: if the success is there, and we hope it is that, 98 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: you know, as teams scheme us on defense, that that 99 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: it maybe it free you know, Josh to be able 100 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: to be more of what he was just a couple 101 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: of years ago and and getting back to that, and um, 102 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: I think having those pieces around him can do that. 103 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: Big thing too is final phases. This is the last 104 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: week of OT before we start mandatorium any camp next week, 105 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: three days of practice and then we are off for 106 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: summer breaks. It is the last chance for quarterback Trevor 107 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: Lawrence to go through that offense one more time before 108 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: guys leave the building for a little We're getting close 109 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: to the to the end of our You know, we've 110 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: installed probably the second third time through this whole off 111 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,559 Speaker 1: season program. So each time we had a few things 112 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: to each install, you know, a few little twists and 113 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: adjustments and additions all that. So we got I mean, 114 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: we got a lot of stuff in right now, we 115 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: have a few more to go over again, like I said, 116 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: and had a few things, but I mean we've we 117 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: went through all of it, through everything at least one time, 118 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: and some of the things like this is the third time, 119 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: so we're making great progress. UM play Lost coming together 120 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: really nicely. It's been really good. And finally, big thing 121 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: three is highlights. Who has stood out in this portion 122 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: of O T A. S. It's always hard to tell 123 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: with no pads on. We say that multiple times, but 124 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: one guy who you can't help but notice even without 125 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: pads on is Roy Robertson Harris and this is the 126 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: guy who's having a great offseason. In the locker room 127 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: is pretty excited about him. Yeah, he's he's had a 128 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: great offseason. Um, like I've said, it's always hard when 129 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: nobody has pads on. It's it's just kind of messy 130 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: upfront because you know, tempo is tough with those guys. So, um, 131 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: he's had a great offseason. I mean, you guys see him. 132 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: He's huge, and he looks really good. I mean last 133 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: year I thought he started to pick it up a 134 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: lot towards the end the year, I paly started to 135 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: play well, and just to see him come out and 136 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: the whole spring he's been playing really well. So I'm 137 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: excited to see that. And we go back up to 138 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: big thing one priorities at the off season, just getting 139 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: more good players. It sounds easy, but it's definitely hard 140 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: to do. And we're seeing that come to fruition throughout 141 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: this offseason and taking the pressure off of Josh Allen. 142 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: I think that's why it's so hard to judge Josh 143 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,119 Speaker 1: Allen's past couple of seasons because he was so the 144 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: center of attention. I mean, we say take the pressure off, 145 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: I don't think that tells the story as well as 146 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: it takes the protection away. Right, if you've got Trayvon 147 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: Walker coming off the other edge, or arden Key who 148 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: is all of a sudden a pass rush of significance 149 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: for you, they can't slide the protection to Josh Allen. 150 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what Josh did that day against the 151 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, um, but they couldn't stop him. There was 152 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: nothing they could do. They could slide everything his way 153 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: and he was still winning. Well, I mean, John, you 154 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: know you don't have days like that every day, every 155 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: Sunday in the NFL. So now if he gets a 156 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: one on one matchup, especially if there's just a tight 157 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: end who's leaving the line of scrimmage and someone's trying 158 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: to chip him what he's gifted enough, he's gonna win 159 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: that more often then he's not. He just didn't see 160 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: that very often last year. Now you've got guys who 161 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: are going to slide protection away from him, taking the 162 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: pressure off. He loves the pressure. It's the protection away. 163 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: People get so tired to hear him to say this, 164 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: because I've said it for years. It continue used to 165 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: ring true because the team hasn't been very good. Pass 166 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: rush typically is about opportunities. It's about being able to 167 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: rush in passing situations, which are third and long and 168 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: late in games when you're ahead. When's the last time 169 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: they were ahead? Brian like eight team. I mean, and 170 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm exaggerating, but when you watch great pass rushers, they 171 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: get you know, if if Dwight Freeney when I covered him, 172 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: had a hundred sacks I met, thirty of them came 173 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: in the last two minutes of games when they knew 174 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: teams were trying to close them out. Josh Allen be 175 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: fine as a pass rush. As a pass rusher. When 176 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: this team gets in more good pass rushing situations, the 177 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: run defense is better, that should help if the offense 178 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: is better and gets them leads. I don't think there's 179 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: anything wrong with Josh Allen playing on a then put 180 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: that playing on a better team that has him in 181 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: better situations once off, well, he had ten sacks when 182 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: he had Calais and Unique on that same defense in front. 183 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: And I remember two games from that season and actually 184 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: land a little bit there. Well, yeah, remember that some 185 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: of the they had six wins that year and two 186 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: that stand out. We're in the division. It was the 187 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: Thursday night game, here against the Titans, and the season 188 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: finale that year against the Colts where they built early leads, 189 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: and then you just again the waves that John mentioned 190 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: off the top of the show. You had Calais and 191 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: Unique and Josh, and Josh finished with ten sacks and 192 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: was named the Pro Bowl. I mean, he will get 193 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: those opportunities as long as he has a caliber of 194 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: player that's there to help him. And of course John's 195 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: exactly right. If you're leading, you're chasing the quarterback. And 196 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: then he had seven and a half sacks last year, 197 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: right um they went three and fourteen, They were down 198 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: by double digits. It seemed like every game except the 199 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: games they won. You get five more games, whether they're 200 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: in it or you get pass rush, and he has 201 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: two and a half more sacks. Then he saw you're 202 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: talking about a ten sack guy. And now he's a 203 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: consistent player, he's maybe a pro So it can change 204 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: that quickly. I have no doubt that if Josh gets 205 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: the opportunities, he would be back to a Pro Bowl level. 206 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: Remember you're talking about a guy that had five sacks 207 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: after the Bills game and then the rest of the 208 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: year only got two and a half more. When did 209 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: they lead. They didn't until the end of the season. 210 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: And even though he didn't have many sacks in that 211 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: game here against the Colts, you saw him around the quarterback, 212 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: causing problems for Carson Wentz the whole thing. Hey, I 213 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: want to talk about Roy Robertson Harris because I think 214 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: you look at him and he over the second half 215 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: of the season last year. Those guys they're not getting 216 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: quietly good he was. You're not going to see ten 217 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: sacks from an interior. He's an end right in this 218 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: three force game. Their job is to tie up two 219 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: gaps and let the linebackers in a three force game 220 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: run and make plays. And he was damn good at 221 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: what he did last year. He's big. He's Trayvon Walker big, right, 222 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: the broad shoulders, the long arms, the huge hands. He's 223 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: got that. Now, if you've got pressure coming off the 224 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: edge and the tackles, make it so that you've got 225 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: to have games played up front where guards are taking 226 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: on Roy Robertson Harris, good luck good And that's I 227 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: think when Trevor was speaking of out him yesterday, and 228 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: you're seeing him in Trevor's face so much during ot 229 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: s and he's like, yeah, yeah, no pads. We get that. 230 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: There's it's messy right now at the line of scrimmage. 231 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: There's something to be said as of right now that 232 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: Roy Robertson Harris. Every day we leave the practice field. 233 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: You just saw that bad a ball down. He's making 234 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: a play like that every day And you can say 235 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: as much as you want, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no 236 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: pads on. But you see guys who are having a 237 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: good spring, who are gearing up to have a good 238 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: summer and a good fall, and he looks to be 239 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: that guy. Even though they're not wearing pads. You can 240 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: see a guy who's surging and who's put in the 241 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: work because he has He was an sending player last year. 242 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: He was a sending player when they signed him. Out 243 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: of all the guys they signed last year in that class, 244 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: he was in that top group of guys that you 245 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: thought could be UM. Not all freedoms for long term fixes. 246 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: He was one of the guys he just thought, okay, 247 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: he might be able to to to be or say, 248 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: stick it out for three or four years as a 249 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: free agent. It's a long run as a free agent. UM. 250 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: He looks like that kind of out of me. He does, 251 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: and that is big things. When we come back a 252 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: look at the depth chart of the offense, our best pick. 253 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: As we are in June of O t A so 254 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: a long time to pick that starting lineup, but we're 255 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:20,599 Speaker 1: gonna try here on Jaguars Drive pun join the Jaguars 256 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: at all nine home games this season for only two 257 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety nine dollars. Be there for every big 258 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: matchup in two by securing your prow pass now to 259 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: lock in your seats for the Jaguars dot Com slash 260 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: prowl or call nine oh four six three two thousand. 261 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: We're back Jaguars Drive Time on a Tuesday, Ashland, Brian 262 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 1: and John with you here. As our final week of 263 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: O t A s as approaching before mandatoring mini camp, 264 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna give it our best go to predict the 265 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: starting lineup on offense as we went enter training camp 266 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: in August. So little long list bear with me here, 267 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: but I think what's most easy to pay attention to 268 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: as of right now is the starting lineup on offensive line. Yeah, 269 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: and I like that list. I I don't necessarily know. 270 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: I would probably guess right now the walker little is 271 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: gonna start with Joan Taylor. That's just maybe I'm caught 272 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: up in I'm with you on that in the in 273 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: the comments section wave the Twitter wave. I like the 274 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: wide receivers Etan Ingram Obviously, I think you could see 275 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: more too tight end with Dan Arnold or Chris man 276 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: hurt when the um when the game books actually come out, 277 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: there there's a couple of different packages and schemes they use. 278 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: I think you could see Dan Arnold start, a lot 279 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: of Chris Manner star a lot of supposed to be 280 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: write sivers. But that's nit picking, um, you know. And 281 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: I think Tyler Shatley starts the season. I think Luke 282 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: Fordner finishes the season. Okay, I mean I'm with you 283 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: on I think Fortner gets in and I don't think 284 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: it takes that long. To be honest with you, I mean, 285 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: I think he finds there's a moment where they make 286 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: a switch and he in you know, week five, weeks six, 287 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: weeks seven. Um, I'm I think Walker Little is the 288 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: right tackle of the future here Juwan has you know, 289 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,599 Speaker 1: this is the last year of his rookie contract. Um. 290 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: I don't think and I've said this before, I don't 291 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: think he's a tackle because I don't think he has 292 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: a quick enough feat. I think if you put him 293 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: at guard, he could be a Pro Bowl caliber guard 294 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: because when you watch him hit the sled, you hear 295 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: it pop. He's got power. He's got rare power. Uh. 296 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: They call it working in a phone booth when you're 297 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: talking about working between the tackles, right, how do you 298 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: operate in that phone booth? I think he would be 299 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: tremendous at that. And I talked and Dave Campo, who's here, 300 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: the former defensive coordinator here and head coach of the 301 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: Cowboys and has been all over the place, and I 302 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: asked him when he was here last week, realistically, could 303 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: you take a guy who hasn't played guard and make 304 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: him a guard um when training camp starts, when it's 305 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: clear that little is the better player, if it's clear 306 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: that Little is the better player. And he said, you 307 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: could if the guy was willing to do it, and 308 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: if the guy has the talent to do it. And 309 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: I think Jowan has both of those. So we'll see. 310 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't know. I don't know the offensive 311 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: line coach well enough to know what he thinks about 312 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: these guys, but That's kind of the way I see 313 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: it because I Walker Little has really strong footwork. He's 314 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: the kind of guy I think that you're looking, well, 315 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: that's our that's our right tackle. Um, I'm with you 316 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: on Dan Arnold sneaky right. They've got a little bit 317 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: of depth on the offensive side of this. The only 318 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: other one I question is whether Travis E. T N 319 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: is a starting running back. You know, every first second 320 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: down between the tackles guy. Um, I mean, if James 321 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: Robinson were healthy, I think you probably put him in there. 322 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: Wouldn't say absolutely. And that's what's so hard to predict this. 323 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: Last week we did this on defense and it's pretty 324 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: easy to line this up, but all based on the 325 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: packages you run on offense, this is going to change. 326 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, giving it our best go. Because of the 327 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: injuries that running back you think, all right, as of 328 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: right now, Travis E. T And probably is the starting guy, 329 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: and maybe he can be. I don't know. I still 330 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: am questioning his return from the injury. This is where 331 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: you go, Well, it's hard to tell because they're not 332 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: on pads right because there isn't any contact and he 333 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: doesn't have to go from one practice to practice again. 334 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: The next and pads and where you see the stress 335 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: that he puts on that former injury to see if 336 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: it's back right. And we're also seeing Travis at O 337 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: t s right now, whereas James working off to the side. 338 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: So it's easy to say, okay, look at Travis. He's 339 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: out there with the team. There you go. That might 340 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: be a position where you're looking for a guy during 341 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: training camp to come in. I can see that until 342 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: you're confident that both of those guys are ready to go, 343 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: or at least one of them is ready to go. 344 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: About addition, where you can find that too, and Armstead too. 345 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: I forgot about that right and again he looked pretty good. Yeah, 346 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: I like it all right, And there we have it. 347 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: That was our best go at looking at this starting 348 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: offense going into training camp, coming back in August, and 349 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: we come back on Jaguars Drive Time. 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Back 358 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: on Jaguars Drive Tom unfortunate news as of yesterday, and 359 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: we watched Ots quarterback c J. Bethard went down with 360 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: an injury and NFL networks Tom Pelasa reporting that it 361 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: possibly could be a torn growing for c. J. Bethard, 362 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: some type of growing injury and m R I we 363 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: will wait the results of that, but very unfortunate news 364 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: which leads us into what's more likely. Predicting now that 365 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: most likely c J. Bethard will possibly miss training camp. 366 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: Are not sure about the season, but but this is 367 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: your backup quarterback and you had the stability of this 368 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: and the security that you had a veteran presence behind 369 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. So what is more likely as of right 370 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: now today Jake Luton as your backup quarterback? Are are 371 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: you going out and picking someone else up? Well? I 372 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: think it's important. Some people may remember Fred Taylor had 373 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: this injury and missed all of the two thousand one season. 374 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: He did come back to play, but he had a 375 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: very severe element of because it was torn off the bone. Yeah, 376 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: and we're not sure if it's at that point. So 377 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: I would say, um, I don't know it. Yeah. I 378 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: like Jake. I liked him when he was here. He's 379 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: got all the measurables, and I I just I might 380 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: swing with him because you've you figure that Trevor Lawrence 381 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: is going to take your steps. I mean, he's that 382 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: kind of guy. So I would say I'd go with 383 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: Jake Luton and feel comfortable with him because he's got 384 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: a big arm. He's a bright kid, tough kid too. 385 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: If you you know his history at Washington State with 386 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: the injury that he played through. Um, I think I'd 387 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,719 Speaker 1: be comfortable with that. Yeah. There's a couple of schools 388 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: of thought. One is that when you have a guy 389 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: like Trevor Lawrence and you're abilding the franchise around him, 390 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: if you lose him, you're losing it all anyway. Yeah, 391 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: it's there. There's many ways to express it that you're 392 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: in trouble. Um. So that's one uh away the teams 393 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: think often when teams are up against the cap, they 394 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: really think that way as if you know what we're 395 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: going for the Super Bowl, or we're not gonna make it. 396 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: We got a franchise guy will go with youth behind it. 397 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: With this, the other school thought that you want is 398 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: is generally speaking, you once your backup if your starters 399 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: out for four games, to have a shot to keep 400 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: me above water, and and I to go to into 401 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: to keep you afloat. Is Jake Luton that guy? Maybe 402 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: if you're playing well around him, with a young team 403 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: that is really trying to build confidence in itself, I 404 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: might go the other way, Brian. I might bring in 405 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: a veteran backup to make sure that if I lose Trevor, 406 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: that I don't lose fifteen games around Trevor and are 407 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: just a mess and you feel like this isn't going anywhere. 408 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: I think they'll go the route you're talking about. That 409 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: would be the argument for going the other way. You 410 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: don't want to just completely lose it all if lose 411 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: your starter. You mentioned teams up against the cap. They've 412 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: got about eight million bucks, so I don't know whether 413 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: that's considered up against the cap, but they sort of 414 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: have wiggle room for the future. They're not in cap day. 415 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: You could bring in a guy Bethard was making two 416 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: point eight. Yeah, so you could probably go find that 417 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: two point eight guy if he's out there. Yeah, it's 418 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: probably what they do. But i'd say, I mean, you're 419 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: talking about bringing in a guy now for camp anyway, 420 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: so well you need another arm at this point. Um, 421 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: So I could see the argument. If we're going to 422 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: bring in someone anyway, let's bring in a better in 423 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: presence that we can count on if we're going to 424 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: have to bring someone in regardless, I mean, if it 425 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: was if it turned out to be a minor injury, 426 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: right and not. So we don't know, right, but you 427 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,239 Speaker 1: just we don't have the extent of it yet, right, 428 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: And I mean the timing of it. You know, we 429 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: have many camp next week and then off for about 430 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: a month. If it's minor injury, maybe he's back to 431 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: training camp. But we don't have to worry about this. 432 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: But just from the likes of what we saw yesterday, 433 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: hopes and prayers to see j Betre but didn't look good, 434 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: that's for sure. All right, Let's move on to what's 435 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: more likely, Rayvon Walker or Devin Lloyd being more of 436 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: a quotation household name. At the end of two. We 437 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: say this because both are obviously high draft picks. Devin 438 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: Lloyd really great personality and very outgoing. Trayvon Walker more 439 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: on the quiet side, but his play speaks for itself. 440 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: So I'm very curious at the end of two were 441 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: we talking more about as a whole? Who was the 442 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: NFL talking more about as a whole? You know, I'm 443 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: gonna go with sort of the obvious, and maybe Lebrian 444 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: go the other way. I think it'll be Devin Lloyd 445 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: because it feels like he might be spet guy more 446 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: than Trayvon Walker. I don't necessarily know that Devin Lloyd 447 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: is gonna be more important to the defense than Trayvon Walker. 448 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: I don't think you will. But so I'll go with 449 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: that angle of it. That because Devin Lloyd, as as 450 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: Slynn said, he's flashy, great personality. Every time this kid 451 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: gets a sack, the meeting's gonna be crowding around him 452 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: because he's He's an absolutely joy to talk to and 453 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: he's got that presence about him. Um, So I'll go 454 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: with that with the caveat that I think Trayvon is 455 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: going to wind up being exactly what they wanted out 456 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: of him, you know, Um, I got this script last 457 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: night on the plane ride home, and so I have 458 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: to detect time. But I know you'd be a little technological. 459 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: They've learned it from you, um on airplanes. So I 460 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: had some time to ponder this one, and I was 461 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: going Trayvon Walker because if he has an amazing year, 462 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: people are gonna be Wow, what a great pick. And 463 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: if he doesn't have an amazing stat year, people are 464 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 1: gonna talk about him, right being the number one overall pick. 465 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: He's in that. You know, damned if you do, damned 466 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: if you don't. If he has an amazing year, hey, 467 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: but if he only has five sacks and Hutchinson has seven, right, right, 468 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: So I just don't think there's any way around it, 469 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: because I don't want to say he's a controversial pick, 470 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: because clearly when you look at it, he's gonna be 471 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: a lightning rod. Yeah, he's a lightning rod pick. And 472 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: I just don't think he can avoid it. I mean, 473 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: we you all know this. We can watch him play 474 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: this year and go, wow, that guy has got it. 475 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: And and he may of sixty tackles and five and 476 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: a half sacks and a forced fumble fumble recovery. Right, 477 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and we may go, oh, yeah, 478 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: that guy's worthy. But the sporting public at largely, while 479 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: he didn't have twelve sacks, how can you how can 480 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: you say that was successful because they're just evaluating it 481 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: based on what they call production. Well, the production we 482 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: you know, people who really followed this team, We'll say, yeah, 483 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: he was an impact player. Those sacks came at the 484 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: right time, at the right moment, whereas you know, some 485 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: guys get sacks just easy in the fourth quarter when 486 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: a team is chucking the ball all over the place 487 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: trying to come back. So I think he's he can't 488 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: help it. He's a lightning rod. He's gonna he's gonna 489 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: have the attention. Absolutely. Now we look at the a 490 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: f C South and this is an interesting one quarterback 491 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, Ryan, Tannehall or Davis Mills being the most 492 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: intimidating opponents in the a f C South. And I 493 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: say intimidating lightly. But when you look at three three quarterbacks, 494 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: which are these three? Is like, all right, you know, 495 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: they really got to keep their eye on this guy. Uh, 496 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't know any him, Timmy Aiding, Brian Um, I'm 497 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: gonna go with Matt Ryan for this reason. He didn't 498 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: look great when he came in here with Atlanta last year. 499 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: I thought it looked awful. He is clearly on his 500 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: last legs, but he's going to a franchise. It has 501 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: a lot of talent around him. Reports are that he 502 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: looks very good. I'm gonna go with him because sometimes 503 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: these guys can put together sort of one last year 504 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: at a place. Uh so he seems like a guy 505 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: who could do that, and it felt last year at 506 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: the end. You wonder about Tanny Hill with the way 507 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: the playoffs went, if maybe that slides a little bit. 508 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 1: I don't know that it will, but maybe that's their storyline. Well, 509 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go with Tannehill because he's got Derrick 510 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: Henry right, and I think we saw Derek came back 511 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: to the playoffs and he wasn't as productive, But is 512 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: anybody betting against him? I mean, he still got time 513 00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 1: in his career. He's not over the hill yet, even 514 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: though he's got a lot of miles on him and 515 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 1: and and he's lost a J. Brown, right, But they 516 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: brought Traylon Burke's in the Kid from Mark and Saw. 517 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: I just think the Tannehill is sneaky good when he's 518 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: got the power running game. He's not so good when 519 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: it's all on his shoulders and without Derrick Henry at 520 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: full strength in the playoffs, as John mentioned, he wasn't 521 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: that guy. Um, But I saw Matt Ryan out here 522 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, I mean, he's not the 523 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: same guy, and he had some weapons with him, but 524 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: he's not the same guy. Now he's got Jonathan Taylor, 525 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: the league's leading Russian. But we'll see how that how 526 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: that one goes, Um, Davis Mills, No, no, no, I 527 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: mean I think he's a nice player and they may 528 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: have something they can build around out there, but not him. 529 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Tannehill because it's the opposite side 530 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: of that coin. But both of those guys, Ryan and Tannehill, Um, 531 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: are relying on their running game to give them the room. 532 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: So if those teams can run, they both have the 533 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: chance to be able to be troublesome for a defense. 534 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: And that's the intimidation factor. And that's when you bring 535 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: up this question. It shows just the a f C 536 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: South as a whole. It's grabble. And we were talking 537 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: to Bucky Brooks about this when he was here in Jackson. 538 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: He's like, look at the quarterbacks in the a f 539 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: C Souths Like, what do you mean the jagg Wars 540 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: can't get over the tump? But then you mentioned that 541 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: running game and it's a totally different Yeah. I get 542 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: the question a lot. I'll believe that the Titans and 543 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: Colts aren't good when I say it, because I thought 544 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: they were both. Titans had the best reck in the 545 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: f C last year, and they team and if you 546 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: look at their rosters from one to fifty three, they're 547 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: more proven than this one is right, And so I 548 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: think the Jaguars have the third best roster. But mid 549 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: season that can flip. If young guys out here are 550 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: playing well. Evan Ingram and uh Christian Kirk are are 551 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: making big plays, and and Trayvon Walker and devn Lloyd 552 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: and Chad Mumar are making things happen well, then maybe 553 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: this roster climbs. But as we sit right here, right now, 554 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: it would be presumptuous of us to say, oh, no, 555 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: the Jagguars are ready to take another not my major strike, 556 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: but I think it's a big ask for him to 557 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: get him this year. Absolutely, we will see, and that 558 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: is what's more likely when we come back on the 559 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: Jaguars digital networks. Some closing thoughts here on Jaguars Drive Time. 560 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: The Jaguars are future focus and ready for a new 561 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: look in two join us at the bank this season 562 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: is head coach Doug Peterson and quarterback Trevor Lawrence lead 563 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: the charge to lock in your seats as at Jaguars 564 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: dot com slash tickets or call nine oh four six 565 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: three three two thousand one. Last segment here with you 566 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: on Jaguars Drive Time on a Tuesday morning, our last 567 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: week of o t s out on the practice field 568 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: yesterday won't be back until next week for mandatory veteran 569 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: mini camp. There's so many mandatory camps, I can't keep 570 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: track of what they're called. But last next week is 571 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: the last chance for us to be on the football 572 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: field before a break, and I think um regarding Coach 573 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: Peterson's comments about the pads, we're all ready to get 574 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: to that next phase. To say the least he gets it. 575 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: This is this time of year and there's a more 576 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: important time of year coming up in five six weeks. 577 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: So the goal next week is to get some work 578 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: in and get guys off the field healthy. So that 579 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 1: they're not spending the next six weeks trying to rehab 580 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: before training camp opens. Yeah, and that's something we spoke 581 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: about and reporters yesterday. I'm curious and I don't think 582 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,719 Speaker 1: they will. But regarding how yesterday went with two injuries 583 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: where both players were down on the field for a 584 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 1: good amount of time, do you change anything? And I 585 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: said no, because I felt like there wasn't the intensity 586 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: of an O tee where you had to pull it back. 587 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: You still have to be out there, you still have 588 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: to get your work done. But I am curious now 589 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: with the unfortunate injuries, does anything change because of it? 590 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: Are we getting off the field faster? There's really short 591 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: of not practice saying there's nothing to get I don't 592 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: think there's very much they can do to pull back. 593 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: They've had a few eleven on eleven and seven on 594 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: seven sessions. Um, if you pull back and don't have those, 595 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: than just don't have their own practice. Yeah, so you 596 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: got it. At some point you have to be on 597 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: the field running around, you know. It's interesting better. Yeah, 598 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: I know he's absolutely right because and I wasn't here, 599 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: but it sounds as if they were just going through 600 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: the motions and doing the things, and you're you're going 601 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: to have those moments you just are. Um, it's interesting 602 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: to you get to the final Miniicamp practice next Wednesday, 603 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: you get halfway in, you know, what's the coach's comfort level, 604 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: and let's get off the field while we, you know, 605 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: got nothing going. Let's be done. Let's go spend a 606 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: little more time in the meeting room. You know, guys 607 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: get a little bit nervous about ending the practice in 608 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: a negative Hey, everything good, all right, let's go. Yeah, 609 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know the Doug's gonna do that. 610 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: Doug might not be that guy, but you I've seen 611 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: it before in twenty seven years here of coaches saying, 612 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: you know what, let's not tempt fate. Let's get off 613 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: the field healthy and end on a high note. Absolutely, guys, 614 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: that's going. And then John, what do we got for it? 615 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: On podcast? This week? Should be Ray Sean Jenkins? Uh 616 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,719 Speaker 1: have because of COVID. I've talked to him video conference, 617 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: everybody talked him face to face. Looking forward to it 618 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,479 Speaker 1: and it should be uh out there either there, dear Friday, 619 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: and there we haven't not a lot going on this week. 620 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: Last week of o T but a lot going on 621 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: next week for Mandatory Mini Camp. Our last week here 622 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: of coverage on Jaguars dot com for the off seasons. 623 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: To stay with us on Jaguars dot com and we 624 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: will see you for our last show of the off 625 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: season next Tuesday here on Jaguars Drive Time m