1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Live Wire is a production of iHeart Podcasts and Modulator Media. 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Previously on live Wire, The Loud Life and Shocking Murder 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: of Alan Burke. 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: Oh if that's my new theme. 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 3: A new show, a new day, a new time, and 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 3: particularly enjoying thing with you here on KOA. So we're 7 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 3: going to be talking today and I kind of feel 8 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 3: like I'm an intruder of sorts, but We're going to 9 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 3: get you going on my side hopefully if we can. 10 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 3: But we'd like to talk to you today with all the 11 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 3: commotion that's going on in this town, much misunderstanding about 12 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 3: things that have happened. So we do want you to 13 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 3: join us here. 14 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 4: I just sat down and I just I fell in 15 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 4: love with him. He was like he was like I 16 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 4: had worked in professional wrestling, and I realized that he 17 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 4: was just a professional wrestler. 18 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 5: He was the first and the original shock jock. That's 19 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 5: the way I describe it. Alan did not care what 20 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 5: you thought about anything. He really didn't care what he 21 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 5: thought about anything or not for radio, he didn't or 22 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 5: he didn't try to push it on us. I mean, 23 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 5: I don't even know what his deep seated beliefs are. 24 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 5: And I knew him pretty well long conversation. So he 25 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 5: was the kind of guy that was on radio to 26 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 5: be on radio and to stir conversation, not to change minds. 27 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 5: He didn't have a mission except to entertain. 28 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 6: I think you're the most I'm not disgusting infuriating commentators, 29 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 6: and sometimes you're rude and inconsiderate, and I very seldom disagree. 30 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 3: With you, but I really agree that. 31 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,279 Speaker 7: I love to hear you disagree with people. 32 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 3: That's very very well sid. I didn't like the first part. 33 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 3: The last part, I that was terrific. 34 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 8: He's a prince, he's primitive, he's provocative. He's Alan Burry 35 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 8: and he's next on news Talk eighty five. K. Hey 36 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 8: try your luck at talking with him. Now dial eight 37 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 8: six one eight two five fine, that's eight six one 38 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 8: t a l K and now here's Alan berg Man. 39 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 3: Thank you, and went back for our final while half 40 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 3: hour of the show. 41 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: So join us. 42 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: We have lines of This has been just an incredibly 43 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 3: terrible day. 44 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: I don't know what to say. 45 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 3: Something was rather interesting that we brought up, But then again, 46 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 3: I guess I was wrong. I was in the minority here. 47 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 9: Okay, it's Don Hartanov. I was a sales associate for 48 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 9: about fifteen years at KOWA. I got hired two weeks 49 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 9: after alan Berg was hired. So I got hired on 50 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 9: March first, nineteen eighty one. 51 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: AOA sales associate, Don Harchinov had witnessed first hand alan 52 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: birts rise from a reclamation project at one of Denver's 53 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: biggest radio stations to a full blown local phenomenon. But 54 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: whereas most of Burke's KWA colleagues interacted with him in 55 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: the studio or in the office, Hartnoff's relationship with alan 56 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: Berg was a little different. As the man responsible for 57 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: pitching local businesses about advertising on the station, Hartonoff had 58 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: a variety of popular KOWA programs at his disposal, and 59 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: alan Berg was at the very top of that programming slate. 60 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 9: You know, his reputation was growing every day, and when 61 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 9: I got there, it was pretty exciting to have him 62 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 9: as one of our people. We could sell on the endorsements, 63 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 9: because that was one of my big fortes. If you 64 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 9: got someone to do an endorsement, you could keep them 65 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 9: on for a longer period contract, so you know, you 66 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 9: sell them, sell them Boils and Berg, and as long 67 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 9: as things were moving you'd have an annual contract on 68 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 9: them because they liked the endorsement. 69 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: That's right. I believe the Brentwood shopping Center. 70 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 3: If there's an old radio available and nobody will want anymore, 71 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 3: they have it. I saw one I know in the 72 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 3: Pablo's Hairstyling shop. They had one of those big things 73 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: with the the dog used to sit there. They have 74 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 3: the dog sitting there staring into the pipe, I mean 75 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: the speaker thing. You don't see that very often anyway. 76 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 3: They actually have one of those, and they have a 77 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 3: lot of effects. He still cuts with the crew cut. 78 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 3: He does not believe in anything different. He's got one haircut. 79 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: It's called the crew cut cuts the quarter. Now tell 80 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 3: me where you can get a haircut in this country 81 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 3: for antquirk. 82 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: Go to Pablo's Hairstyling. He's ready for you. 83 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 3: I have on the women's side, I was beauty salone 84 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 3: over there is never there. What she does is leave 85 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 3: and she has a number on the window. 86 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: You call her. 87 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 3: She comes from the house, okay, and she cuts your hair, 88 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: then locks up again and goes home. It's not that 89 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 3: active a center. Let's be realistic. All they have babetics. 90 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 3: They have big apple records in which they are now featuring. 91 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 3: I understand they have all the old Berry Manilow records 92 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: that aren't selling right now. They have a special on those. 93 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 9: He was always harassing the callers, you know. That was 94 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 9: his big fourtep was, you know, his one of the 95 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 9: his favorite phrases was get to the point, caller, Get 96 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 9: to the point, you know, and and if they didn't 97 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 9: get to the point, he'd hang up on because they 98 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 9: were wasting his time. So that was kind of the 99 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 9: fun part of his whole program. We'd go in and 100 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 9: watch him on the air, and it was it was 101 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 9: like a showman, and he was smoking cigarettes and and 102 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 9: he had the coffee cup. He'd always they had vending 103 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 9: machine coffee, which was horrible, but he'd go get this 104 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 9: cup of coffee with the with the poker game on 105 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 9: the cup on the cup, and that was his big deal, 106 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 9: just so he could wind himself up for the show. 107 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 9: So it was very it was very entertaining to watch 108 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 9: him perform. And and you know, it's the old just 109 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 9: spell my name right, you know, even though he's harassing 110 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 9: and hounding the callers if they were if they didn't 111 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 9: fit and they were dumb, you know he would. He 112 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 9: would make the scape going out of them and it 113 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 9: would be become good radio, entertaining radio. 114 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,239 Speaker 1: I'm filmmaker and journalist Tal Pinschewski and this is Live 115 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: Wire episode three, The Man you Love to Hate. Having 116 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: owned his own businesses and advocated on his client's behalf 117 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: as a lawyer before coming to KOA, alan Berg knew 118 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: how to sell himself, and that was especially apparent when 119 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: he went out on sales calls with Heartenoff, you know, and. 120 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 9: We'd set up our sales pitches and say all right, 121 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 9: I'll pick you up or meet me there or whatever, 122 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 9: and you know, it's usually about a half hour you'd 123 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 9: have the guy closed. 124 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: In the nineteen eighties, talent like Berg were entitled to 125 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: a fee in exchange for their endorsement. This was in 126 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: addition to the payment sponsors provided directly to the station. 127 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: Radio has since adopted a different system when it comes 128 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: to endorsements, but this old way was a lucrative one 129 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: for alan Berg and kept him pretty motivated when it 130 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: came time to close the deal with potential sponsors. 131 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 9: All Right, we go up and uh and I had 132 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 9: the Boils and Bird program going, and we had this 133 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 9: guy who had a camera shop and Boulder, and so 134 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 9: we go up there and meet with the guy and uh, 135 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 9: and of course we weren't We didn't know if we 136 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 9: could get him on. You know, it was we couldn't 137 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 9: clear his credit. But he had this drop dead gorgeous daughter, 138 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 9: and I mean, we just could not believe how beautiful 139 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 9: this girl was. And he was he was like a 140 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 9: German immigrant or something, and he was doing a camera shop. 141 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 9: So so we're we're sitting down, we do the seal, 142 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 9: we do the clothes. He was going to run this, 143 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 9: run this deal for two or three weeks, and I 144 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 9: think it was a going out of business or what 145 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 9: have you. And so we're like, okay, well we'll take 146 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 9: we'll take. It's got to cut us a check for Alan, 147 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 9: check for Peter, and check for the radio station. So 148 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 9: so we go back and we finished the pitch, and 149 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 9: what does Boyles do or Berg does. He takes it 150 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 9: straight to the bank and hammers the check and Boyle's 151 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 9: delayed his till the end of the day. And of 152 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 9: course the station I turned it into accounting. Well, the 153 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 9: only check that cleared was Alan's check, So the whole thing, 154 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 9: everything else was just hilarious as we're laughing, because all 155 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 9: we wanted to do was, you know, talk to his daughter. 156 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 9: But of course Alan was a shrewd guy who took 157 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 9: that check straight to the bank. 158 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: Alan Berg was as much a shrewd businessman as he 159 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: was a charismatic on their talent, and that was an 160 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: important part of the job during this nascent period of 161 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: talk radio. 162 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 9: He could come in and talk and he just you know, 163 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 9: he'd butter him up. And another one other cornball client 164 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 9: we had to remember, we had a these are the 165 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 9: funnier ones. We had a woman who ran Missus Claus's 166 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 9: closet and this was like a Christmas gift shop, and 167 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 9: we did that with Berg and Boils, and it was 168 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 9: just Berg was making so much fun about the client. 169 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 9: They ended up pulling their ad because he was he 170 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 9: thought it was such a goofy deal, you know. And 171 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 9: the other one Boyles might have told you about was 172 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 9: the guys who ran the safes, who they convinced everybody 173 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 9: to put their money in this separate Swiss vaults. It 174 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 9: was called, of course, they used the name Swiss right 175 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 9: Save Money, and and so Berg and Boils were selling 176 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 9: the Swiss vaults and they sold this guy's vaults out 177 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 9: with everybody putting all their money and valuables in it, 178 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 9: and the guy came in at night and stole all 179 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 9: the money out of his own Swiss vault and left 180 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 9: the country. 181 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: Between his ability on the air and his acumen on 182 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: sales calls, alan Berg had turned himself into something of 183 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: a cottage industry in Colorado. Here's his former producer, Susan Rylean. 184 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 10: Our job is to make money and live. Personality endorsements 185 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 10: began with alan Berg because if that personality can go 186 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 10: on the air and say this is my guy, this 187 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 10: is the restaurant that I eat at, people will go 188 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 10: and eat at that restaurant if that personality tells them 189 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 10: to do so. But I think alan Berg was one 190 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 10: of the first ones and one of the best ones 191 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 10: for companies like our Heart to make a lot of money. 192 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: Of course, he could be pretty unpredictable when it finally 193 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: came time to read the ads live on the air. 194 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: Take for example, this ad for a local home security company. 195 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 3: But however, we aren't it You want to keep it right. 196 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 3: Everyone wants to keep there is to get more of 197 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 3: the other guys. Isn't that the true However, trying just 198 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 3: wants to protect you against those crazy burglars on the 199 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 3: street before they hit that house, and before that burglary 200 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 3: could ever possibly occur. What will happen is a screaming 201 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 3: siren and a flowlight will be released. It will emanate 202 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: across your neighborhood there because if he wiggles something debug, 203 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 3: knowing that that person's in the v scene will say 204 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 3: I got you, and he'll trigger all this all out. 205 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 3: He will go out and bite them on the leg. 206 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 3: And you're saving home with your children in the JC 207 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 3: Penny underwear saying oh mommy, I'm safe any of that 208 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 3: kind of stuff. So what I would do today is 209 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 3: culver trunks bug people. Get your free twenty four point 210 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 3: burglary analysis brochure. 211 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: Now Here is where things suddenly go off the rails. 212 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 3: All right, You want to save your life, save your 213 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 3: dollars in case those hookers show up for dollars recks. 214 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 2: Here's your chance to do it. 215 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 3: Protect your dollars right now and make those hookers secure 216 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 3: when you bring them home when the wife's away on 217 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 3: the trip in Hawaii saying hi, honk, I'm home with 218 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 3: the kids, and you whip the chick down there to 219 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: the base, which you'll be safe though case and shows 220 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 3: the burglar won't ever get to testify against you. This way, 221 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 3: he will split the scene, never knowing that, in fact, 222 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 3: you have this hooker down there for a dollar in 223 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 3: the basement locked For many years. 224 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: Every indication was that alen Berg could go rogue on 225 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: these live ad reads without any repercussions, which speaks to 226 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 1: how popular and powerful he was at that time. If 227 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: that last read wasn't enough of a testament to his 228 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: influence in the market, try this one for a local restaurant. 229 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 3: Called WILLI Wing. They why away Willy's Wing? I mean 230 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 3: this is hot step now. We were at the one 231 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 3: on Zoh Broadway and it's a miracle that they actually 232 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 3: got me here in time. Small stomach bomb, but I'm 233 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 3: okay now, like any. 234 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: Remember you know I love them, I'm crazy about them. 235 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 2: I you know I did? Is I overrate? That's what happened. 236 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: I ate too many? 237 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: Like what that's Alan Berg on the air talking about 238 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: how a station sponsor's food made him sick and getting 239 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: paid to do it. That's pretty brazen. It's also pretty funny. 240 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: They're nice. 241 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 3: It's a nice different kind of snack. Let's put it 242 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 3: that way. Gone to the night or picnic tomorrow. Really, 243 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 3: that's right. Particularly if you don't like your children, just 244 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 3: give them many of these and to go off in 245 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 3: the woods hemorrhaging. 246 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: No, I don't any reason for one second of belay 247 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: that they aren't good. 248 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 3: And I give can I I was a little gassy anyway. 249 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: I have an old stomach condition last night. Anyway, It's 250 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: called nervousness from the Dorean. So don't even judge me 251 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 2: by what I say here. 252 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: All of this contributed to the persona alan Berg had 253 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: cultivated for years before refining and perfecting it at KOA, 254 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: about vilion on air presence, beholden to his listeners and 255 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: his own personal sensibilities, but not to business interests. Years before, 256 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: that philosophy had gotten him fired and left him desperate 257 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: for a new radio job, But now dominating the airways 258 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: with KOA, it made him iconic. Even the way Allenberg 259 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: looked and acted in the KOA studio set him apart 260 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: from the typical on air personality. 261 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 9: He was always talking and slovenly, and and he had 262 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 9: dandruff coming off on his shoulders, and and you know, 263 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 9: and he was just yeah, it was. It was. It 264 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 9: was like a kid's playroom, you know, just messy in 265 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 9: papers everywhere, and very very entertaining. 266 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: Berg also had a tendency to chain smoke cigarettes in 267 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: the radio, a habit that is calling Ken Hamlin reflected 268 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: on after his death. 269 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 11: I said, we had some cat fights and we did 270 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 11: damn it. We used to go round and round about 271 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 11: Burg cigarette smoking. And I used to work the midnight 272 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 11: to five in the morning shift, and twice a week 273 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 11: he'd start damn trash. 274 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 9: Fires smoking the radio. Both we we we sat in 275 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 9: the sales room and the general manager and I would 276 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 9: smoke cigars in the office. 277 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: Alan Burg's fiery on air persona was starting to gain 278 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: a larger and larger audience across the country. But there 279 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: was another Burg, for some away from the microphone, that 280 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: was just as compelling and far more engaging. Here is 281 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: Berg's brending colleague, Peter Boyles. 282 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 4: He dressed for radio, I mean, most impeccable dresser probably 283 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 4: ever known in my life. And I dressed like a bum. 284 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 4: But he would ties and turtlenecks and sport codes and 285 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 4: suits and impeccable sport codes. I mean he really wasn't 286 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 4: a clothes horse. 287 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: Alan Berg didn't use his stove and his cabinets for 288 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: cooking and keeping groceries. He used them to store his 289 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: impressive shoe collection. He would have put those shoes in 290 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: his other cabinets, but those were filled with his collection 291 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: of jazz records. Alan Berg's knowledge of shoes was so 292 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: voluminous that he occasionally hosted a segment on the air 293 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: that he called toastrology, on which he could put together 294 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: a profile of a woman's personality based on the kinds 295 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: of shoes she wore. 296 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 10: I wear by eight tu, and I'm wearing a black 297 00:15:58,720 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 10: open coat. 298 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: Black open toe, all right? And what with with is 299 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: very important? 300 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 3: Okay? Well double A, double A. H Okay, that's double 301 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: A is like I have a sea. First of all, 302 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 3: your shoe your foot is narrower than that. But you 303 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 3: had to settle for a double A. Fere you actually 304 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: I sent your a quade, but you had to go 305 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 3: to a double A. 306 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: And your foot is spreading, oh earhead of course. 307 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 3: See if you don't get the proper within the shoe, 308 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 3: it means the foot's gonna spread. And you know what 309 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 3: happens to the rest of the body, breast starts sagging, 310 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 3: the stomach starts sagging. You lose your whole shape. You 311 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 3: don't keep the right width going in your foot. The 312 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 3: whole body goes. Then it begins to affect the brain. 313 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: That's true. Believe that or not. It's up to you. Okay, 314 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 2: Now I'm with your life. 315 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 3: I have last come. It's seventy eight pair of shoes. 316 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 3: Seventy eight pair of shoes. Seventy eight pair, and this 317 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 3: is the lowest I've ever had in my life. 318 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: You mass seventy eight pair of shoes. 319 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: So I walk in the closet and I end up 320 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 3: working the same free pair almost every day because I 321 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 3: must say up the seventy eight pair. My Fred has 322 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 3: cut the inventory down to forty one last week out 323 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 3: what Fred? Yeah, I don't know how he has well. 324 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 3: I can't talk because I have the X ray his 325 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: stomach to determine that. Oh for because he's eaten all 326 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 3: these shoes. 327 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: My dog is in the leather. 328 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: Allenberg loved talking shoes and never hesitated to discuss his 329 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,239 Speaker 1: most beloved life companion, an Airedale Terrier named Fred, who 330 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: with his floppy hair, wore an uncanny resemblance to his owner. 331 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 2: Well, I tell you that's one dog. I love that 332 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 2: he had a bath yesterday. He looks gorgeous. You're a 333 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 2: part with him? 334 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: Oh? No way, there's nothing in the world a maybe 335 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 3: part with Fred, unless it was a job with WFCA 336 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 3: New York. 337 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 2: Well, good luck, all right, thanks so much. 338 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: Here's Allen Berg's longtime colleague Tom Martine. 339 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 5: And then he talked about was it Fred? Yeah, talked 340 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 5: about Fred. He freaking loved Now. That was the deepest 341 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 5: he ever got when it came to feelings his dog. 342 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was genuine. 343 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 5: That wasn't a stick. He loved him. 344 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 3: Oh wait, why do you see Fred? Myerdad what our 345 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 3: first public appearance? Fred's gonna beat her? I see it? 346 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 7: Thank you and goodbye? 347 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: I mean through a lot of bad nights. 348 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 3: Okay, right, not what line? 349 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 2: What do we do here? 350 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 12: Now? 351 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: Alan Berg might not have been liberally sharing the personal 352 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: details of his life on the air, but he did 353 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: occasionally offer a glimpse into the truly complex individual he was, 354 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: and there was one go to topic that most reflected 355 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: that complexity. I'm talking, of course, about politics. Here's Peter 356 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: Boyles on Allan's politics. 357 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 4: Left of center Chicago liberal Wontakami. I mean he was 358 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 4: a left of liberal, left of center liberal, very civil 359 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 4: rights African Americans, Jews, women, he was. He was a 360 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 4: sixties liberal. You know, if you look up nineteen sixty 361 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 4: eight liberal America, his picture would be there. That's who 362 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 4: he was. 363 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: Bear in mind that the height of Allan's Runkowa came 364 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: during Ronald Reagan's first presidential term, and when it came 365 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: to the sitting US President, Berg didn't hold back. 366 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 3: Of course, Reagan has taken a step backwards, and a 367 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 3: lot of people said old, but he appointed a black guy. 368 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 3: This black guy he appointed hasn't even been in the 369 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 3: company of a black man in twenty five years. 370 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: And I don't really know. 371 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 3: That, but I would guess that I have to go 372 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 3: to news. All right, I appreciate your call. I don't 373 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 3: think any president will be able to please all the 374 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 3: people all the time. 375 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 2: They're not supposed to. 376 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 10: Well, what do you feel? 377 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: This was most of work for the betterment of the 378 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 3: whole country, and don't try to please the masses per se. 379 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 2: But get a job done. 380 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, misster, Reagan has set up a stage here 381 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 3: right now, and the stage is about the fallout from 382 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 3: under first of White Al said Reagan didn't know anything 383 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 3: about it until just recently. Now we've learned he's known 384 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 3: about it for months. Yeah, and then when they asked 385 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 3: Nancy Reagan about it, she said she didn't know messing 386 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: about it. Well, I don't think Nancy Reagan knows anything 387 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 3: about anything. 388 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: Alan Berg was happy the host guests of all political 389 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: persuasion on his show and hold them in equal contempt. 390 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: And he made it clear whenever possible that it wasn't 391 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: one party or another he had problems with. 392 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: It is an attack on Ray because he's our current president. 393 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 3: I've attacked Carnor, I've attacked every president that ever lived, 394 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 3: because they're all one and the same. They're a bunch 395 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 3: a greedy power maniacs who could care less about the 396 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 3: well bang of anybody. 397 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 13: Something I said about five words. 398 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 3: Well, I know what you would say anyway, go ahead, 399 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 3: I said it was our whole audience. He've been whining 400 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 3: on talk radio for somebody is why do you listen? 401 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: If it offends you? 402 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 3: Take a walk li one, you're on Kowa. 403 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: But alan Berg didn't see tearing down the entire political 404 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: infrastructure as a solution to help save America. He still 405 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: believed deeply in American institutions, even if they were flawed, 406 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: and there was one particular incident involving former American Secretary 407 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: of State Henry Kissinger that got him really fired up. 408 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 2: Alan Camplan, you're on KOA talk radio with Alan Berg? 409 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: Are you there? 410 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 9: Yeah? 411 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 3: Okay, On, So what's the story? I heard you? I 412 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 3: just found out about this yesterday. Now, what did you 413 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 3: do to Henry Kissinger? 414 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 7: What did Henry Kissing to do to the naighth He. 415 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 3: Said, Oh, okay, but let's start with the actual circumstance. 416 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 2: Did happen? I understand you walked up Daim Was it 417 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 2: the airport? 418 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: The woman's name was Ellen Kaplan, and the twenty nine 419 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: year old volunteer for a pro nuclear power group made 420 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: headlines in nineteen eighty two when she confronted Kissinger and 421 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: his wife Nancy at Newark International Airport. It was while 422 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: the couple waited aboard a flight to Boston did Kaplin 423 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: asked Kissinger about his work in the White House before 424 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: asking him if he slept with boys at the Carlisle Hotel. 425 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: Kaplin later accused Nancy Kissinger of grabbing her in response 426 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: to that question. Allenberg may have been no fan of 427 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: Henry Kissinger, but he took serious issue with Kaplan's behavior 428 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: when he hosted her on his show following this incident. 429 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 2: Did you know at the time he just had open 430 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 2: heart surgery? Did you? 431 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 3: I did not know? 432 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 2: How could you not know? Ellen? 433 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 3: Are you're your political activist? You mean this all this time? 434 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 3: You have never read a story anywhere that, in fact, 435 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 3: he had open heart surgery. 436 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 7: There you're acting like a pig. 437 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: You're you're a pathetic human being. 438 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 3: You know what? You are one of the most vile 439 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 3: human beings to walk up to a human being. If 440 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 3: Nancy Kissinger merely choked you, she was only mistaken one sense. 441 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 3: It's too bad she'd have a gun and blow you away. 442 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 3: You're one of the slimiest human beings. And how much 443 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 3: is are you Jewish? Are you? 444 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 4: Yeah? 445 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm Jewish. 446 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 3: I'm ashamed that you belong to my people, and I'm 447 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 3: sure most Jews in his country are. 448 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 2: And the fact that you walk up. 449 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 3: This man and said this on a totally unsupported accusation, 450 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 3: it's sick. It's disgusting, sweetheart. They should put you in jail. 451 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 3: You are the slime of the art. Honey, sue me 452 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 3: if you will. Since you're gonna sue Nancy, Baby, why 453 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 3: don't you sue me for defamation? 454 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 2: You take it? I got You're a creeps waiting. 455 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: The exchange was so volatile that heernberger short lived suspension 456 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: from KOA, something that almost never happened despite his numerous 457 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: angry exchanges with callers and rogue ad readings. But exchanges 458 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: like this one didn't just struck criticism from Berg's employers. 459 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: When a call ended with a woman being flustered or 460 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: even humiliated, Burg would be accused of being a misogynist. 461 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: To be fair, allen Berg did occasionally cross the line 462 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: with women collers, just as he did with all talkers, 463 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: and there were certain discussions that didn't exactly make him 464 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: look like an ally. 465 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 10: I love talking about women breastfeeding in public. That was 466 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 10: that was always a tough topic. Women and Google Go 467 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 10: Go Boots. He's loved women in Go Go boots. 468 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 3: A woman has to breadstpeet a ju how hard he 469 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 3: has to go somewhere and not get staut with him? 470 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: I mean, how a woman bludding breadth. 471 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 7: Needs to be humbled and sick because you have breath 472 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 7: or to be humbled in sick because he has a 473 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 7: child at that. And I think it's a simple aspect 474 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 7: of the third thing you don't do. I mean, if 475 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 7: there's one of a series of things that I think 476 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 7: are intimate in private, not to be a public desployer, 477 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 7: because this is veil wive with lots of people around. 478 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 7: And then what gets me more angry if a woman 479 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 7: is sitting there, look youve me like, what are you 480 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 7: looking at? Obviously I'm going to look. 481 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 10: Well, he didn't think that it was proper for a 482 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 10: woman to actually do that in public? Who would want 483 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 10: to see that? Who wants to see a woman feeding 484 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 10: a child? Who wants to see their breasts like that? 485 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 10: And I, you know, and I would tease him, and 486 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 10: I just said, oh god, men are such boys some 487 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 10: what is this fascination with women in their breasts? So 488 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 10: all of a sudden, a breast is attractive in general, 489 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 10: but not when you're breastfeeding in a child. I said, 490 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 10: I don't even know, why do we do this topic? 491 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 10: Why do you like this topic? But every time he 492 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 10: saw a woman breastfeeding in public, we'd be back talking 493 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 10: about breastfeeding in public. I just wish he would stop 494 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 10: seeing it. It's like, please, please don't. Could we just 495 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 10: not talk about this on. 496 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: The air anywhere? 497 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: By the low bar set for most middle aged men 498 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties, alan Berg was practically a renaissance 499 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 1: man when it came to his views on women, but 500 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: when it came to talking about sex, alan simply couldn't 501 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: help himself. 502 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 3: Never mind what the Yankee stuff. Whatever you do is 503 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 3: in the privacy of your own anyway, either paper or 504 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 3: metri bait, you know. And now I'll wait a minute, sir, 505 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 3: there's children listening. Look crazy, man, here I am saying 506 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 3: that just like nothing masturbate huh, just like that, like 507 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 3: it was just a casual word to be thrown out there. 508 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 3: Why do you think young children are turning on the 509 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 3: streets selling their bodies because they hair words like masturbation. 510 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 3: That's where the world has gone mad, ask Ric, who 511 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 3: sits back there many times contemplating his navel age six 512 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 3: one talk eight six one eight two five. That's disgusting 513 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 3: the fact that a person would actually do some massage. 514 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, where's that new what's the author 515 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 2: I'm having? 516 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 13: Got? 517 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 3: Oh? I can't wait. This is kind of a masturbation. 518 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,479 Speaker 3: Oh here, well, this is gonna be exciting. I got 519 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 3: a guest coming up, doctor Michael Fox's massage program for 520 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 3: cats and dogs. Which you don't know is you have 521 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 3: been massaging your dog wrong for years. 522 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: These kinds of conversations inevitably incited Pauls accusing Berg of 523 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: peddling pornography. But he carefully walked the line between pervert 524 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: and creep, and he never kink shamed, and he certainly 525 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: never attacked women who acknowledged the existence of a human libido. 526 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 3: My guess today is Brenda, we will leave it at 527 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 3: that name here, not so you shouldn't be harassed anymore 528 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 3: in the phone book. 529 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: Although I don't think your name is in the phone book, 530 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 2: is it not? 531 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 11: Really? 532 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: Not really? 533 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 3: By way, Branda as Plat an experience with prostitution a background, 534 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 3: and it is now into another line of endeavor. But 535 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 3: she's here today to talk about many aspects of prostitution. Okay, 536 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 3: bro let's start with this. If I gave you one 537 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 3: hundred dollars right, not white, Let's say, can't believe it? 538 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 2: Would you said it? Well, just take a check. 539 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: This is actually from an episode of Alan's short lived 540 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: TV show Bird's guest is a former prostitute, and for 541 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: thirty minutes they engage in a mostly adult conversation about sex. 542 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: It's informative and interesting. In fact, the only awkwardness arises 543 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: when Alan tries to turn on his signature chart. 544 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 3: Oh you, have you ever been in bed with a 545 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 3: man who was really good? And he said, besides myself, obviously, 546 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 3: But I mean, have you ever been in bed with 547 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 3: a man who all of a sudden really turns you on? 548 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 2: Not only you Alan? 549 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 3: Okay, well, we're just the answer. It was the way 550 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 3: I talked before and after. Of course I made her 551 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 3: so nervous, he says, Hello an orgasm. Just to get 552 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 3: rid of this guy, I'll do anything. No, really, let 553 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 3: me ask you this. You are a stunning woman. There's 554 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: no question. Have you got a shot on this lady here? 555 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 3: I mean, she is an attractive woman. You run, you 556 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 3: could be a fashion you could be a lot of things. 557 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: You have a toys about you, a grace. Can I 558 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 2: tell the truth. I'm in love with you. I'm here, 559 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 2: You're right so everything. I want to get you out 560 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 2: of this business, imily back. 561 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 3: I did get right of this is through I said, 562 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 3: he in a medical school. 563 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 2: She's now a brain surgeon. You wouldn't know that right away, 564 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 2: you didn't bring your stethoscope. 565 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: Now bear in mind that this is an exchange on 566 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: local network television in the early nineteen eighties. There is 567 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: literally a war beginning at this time across the country 568 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: for the soul of the American family. And Alan Berg 569 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: is hosting a former prostitute dressed demurely in a brown 570 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: jacket over a white blouse and talking about sex. No shame, 571 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: no name calling, just honesty. 572 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 3: Essentially, men are coming to you for sex quite obviously, right. 573 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 3: They're not coming to you, of course now they will 574 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 3: be coming you for brain surgery. Honestly, did get your 575 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 3: license and all that. But what are they essentially coming 576 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 3: for that they're not getting at home? 577 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 13: What I think, more or less, what they're afraid to 578 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 13: ask their wife. I think the wife or the girlfriend 579 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 13: should feel the guy out, find out what he really 580 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 13: is into. I think she should be more open minded, 581 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 13: you know, and then he would not have to go 582 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 13: elsewhere and have his desires for filled, or his fantasies 583 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 13: for filled, or something that you know, he thinks he 584 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 13: would be too scared to ask her to do. 585 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 3: But I think we're all prostituts degrees, don't you. 586 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 11: To a degree? 587 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 13: I think most women are. 588 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: The conversation actually evolves when another prostitute calls into the 589 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: show to share her. 590 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 6: Thoughts that don't you find now, I mean more nowadays 591 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 6: that more and more prostitutes are well educated girls, girls 592 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 6: who have gone to college, have a college education, and 593 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 6: are really basically pretty smart girls. 594 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 13: They are most of the ones I know are really 595 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 13: smart ladies. 596 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 2: Now that's a good points here, rise, What does that indicate? 597 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: What does that mean? 598 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 3: I want there were more intelligent, want to do better 599 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 3: things with their lives, end up being prostitutes for something, 600 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 3: any girl with no education good do? 601 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 2: Why is it? 602 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 6: No? No, The thing is, I'm a prostitute myself, but 603 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 6: I have girlfriends that are prostitute and they're well college educate, educute. 604 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 5: Let's be clear. 605 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: At times during this episode, allen Berg carried himself with 606 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: all the maturity of a middle schooler, but he mostly 607 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: conducted a pretty sophisticated and comic exchange about the world's 608 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: oldest profession on a local TV network affiliate in the 609 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. It's not salacious, it's not body, it's not raunchy. 610 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: It's kind of groundbreaking, and it generated plenty of discussion 611 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: once the show is over. Once again, Here's Burg's producer, Susan. 612 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 9: Ryder Ellen was. 613 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 10: What makes talk radio, talk radio interesting, poignant, relevant, what 614 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,479 Speaker 10: holds an audience to a radio station. Alan Berg, I 615 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 10: believe is one of the most brilliant talk show hosts 616 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 10: that I ever had the pleasure of working with. He 617 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 10: taught me a lot about how to keep an audience 618 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 10: tuned in, how to keep them engaged, how to not 619 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 10: take them for granted, to treat them with respect, and 620 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 10: figure out what is gonna keep them s tuned into 621 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 10: this radio station. That's what we do every single day. 622 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 10: You have to keep this audience engaged, cause it's all 623 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 10: about the money, and if you're not keeping them through 624 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 10: that break, they're not buying anything. That's what Alan did, 625 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 10: kept him through the break, keep them through that quarter hour, 626 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 10: make sure that, cause everything is built on quarter hours. 627 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 10: You have to get 'em through the commercial to the 628 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 10: next break, and that goes over the quarter hour. He 629 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 10: got it, He got but he knew what made people listen. 630 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: Every woman who ever worked with Alan Berg, and there 631 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: were several immediately refused the idea that Alan was a misogynist. 632 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: Here's one of them, Former CHOA producer Lori Cantillo. 633 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 14: Yes, he was very progressive in terms of his views 634 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 14: of women. He look his wife, Judith or ex wife, 635 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 14: was a very strong woman, and I always found him 636 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 14: to be very polite and professional and cordial. And you're right. 637 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 14: Radio in the early eighties was a very male dominated 638 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 14: world and continues to be so to this day. In fact, 639 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 14: when I started as a news anchor on KOA, I 640 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 14: recall that a caller had called to the board and said, 641 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 14: get that bitch off the air, and that really stayed 642 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 14: with me. But Alan really enjoyed and had very positive 643 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 14: working relationships with all of the women on the staff. 644 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: And while Alan's relationship with women callers could be contentious, 645 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: he was nothing short of charming when it came to 646 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: his romantic entanglements. 647 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 4: He loved women, truly loved He was the man who 648 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 4: loved women. Watching Alan Berg in a booth in a 649 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 4: restaurant with a woman was like watching Demaggio bat He 650 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 4: was the best. I mean, women loved him. But finally 651 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 4: when he came around with Linda, she was so different 652 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 4: than all the other women, and I went through a 653 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 4: lot of women with him, And here's Linda, and she 654 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 4: was just a special woman. She's great. It's great for him. 655 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: Alan met Linda McVeigh at a concert in Denver and 656 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: was immediately smitten. 657 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 4: And I think Linda understood how neurotic we all were, 658 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 4: and and I think she guided him, probably more than 659 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 4: I'll ever know. She was a stabling force in that 660 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 4: guy's life. 661 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: But as with everything else in Allenburgh's life, it was 662 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: never quite that easy. Here is Burt biographer Steven Singular. 663 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 12: They went out for a while and she said, he said, 664 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 12: we should live together. You should move into my apartment. 665 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 12: And she said, now, it would never work if I'm 666 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 12: around you that much. We're around each other, it'll never work. 667 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 12: We see each other once in a while, that's good. Hey, 668 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 12: hammereder hammered her for a while, and she said, okay, 669 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 12: I'll move in. So she collected her cat and whatever 670 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 12: she had. 671 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 2: She went over. 672 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 12: She got to his apartment. She settled there for an hour. 673 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 12: He started pacing. He was very nervous. He didn't know 674 00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 12: what to do. And he said something to the effect of, well, 675 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 12: maybe you should go. I think It's safe to say 676 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 12: he wasn't that big on commitment when it came to women. 677 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: Okay, Alan Brooks's personal life was still uniquely complicated, and 678 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: his work life was about to get even more complicated 679 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: as well. 680 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 12: The radical right in the United States was sort of 681 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 12: gearing up. Berg would take him on, take anybody on 682 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 12: who was in that ILK would never back down from it. 683 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 10: I talked to him afterwards and I just said, I'm 684 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 10: not sure we should do this anymore. I'm scared for 685 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 10: your safety. 686 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 9: Yeah. 687 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 4: Fred Wilkens came into the studio and I'm hard to believe. 688 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,479 Speaker 4: I'm in a bar with a guy named Charlie Martin 689 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 4: and the light beer guy comes in and says they 690 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 4: just tried to co Alan. 691 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: That's next time on live Wire, The Loud Life and 692 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 1: Shocking Murder of Alan Berg. Live Wire is a production 693 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: of iHeart Podcasts and Modulator Media. For more podcasts from 694 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: iHeart Podcasts, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 695 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.