Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for
Speaker 1: a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely
Speaker 1: ready for a break. Yeah, and so much for that.
Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: Let's go. It is Monday, August sixteen, twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: Season seventeen, episode number nine. Welcome to the latest edition
Speaker 1: of The Break. I'm joined by Nick Eatman Dave Hellman.
Speaker 1: We're talking some Cowboys football with you guys for the
Speaker 1: next forty five minutes, maybe an hour, depending on how
Speaker 1: these guys go. H. We got a lot of topics.
Speaker 1: But y'all just amused because there's a camera. I mean,
Speaker 1: because there's a no just video. Nick loves looking at
Speaker 1: the monitor. But also I'm I look even shorter than
Speaker 1: normal today. Yeah, that's a sair. So yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I was mentioning. Just doesn't care, doesn't care. You should
Speaker 1: be showing off the haircut. You got the fresh yet cut. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Put me on the little yeah the front, yeah, cleaned
Speaker 1: it up. We can barely see you though I know
Speaker 1: what I mean, people don't. This is not a face
Speaker 1: for TV, like they put me on TV because I'm here.
Speaker 1: But let's be honest. So all right, this works. I
Speaker 1: think it looks good. You got a good haircut. It
Speaker 1: looks good on you. Let's jump in. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: this game. Cowboys lose to the Arizona Cardinals nineteen to
Speaker 1: sixteen preseason games. So wins and losses really don't matter.
Speaker 1: But what does matter is how how how the team played.
Speaker 1: And before we get to how the team's team played,
Speaker 1: I think what matters most is how healthy are you
Speaker 1: once the game is done. Let's start with Neville Gallimore.
Speaker 1: Tell me where he is, what's going on with his injury,
Speaker 1: and what do we expect me as far as time frame. Honestly,
Speaker 1: for what it looked like, it's probably a best case
Speaker 1: scenario for Neville Gallimore. I mean, just the amount of
Speaker 1: pain that he was in and the way that you know,
Speaker 1: the length of time it took him to get off
Speaker 1: the field looked really bad. I mean, it is bad.
Speaker 1: He hyper extended his elbow, but you could have convinced
Speaker 1: me he was done for the year based on what
Speaker 1: it looked like. And it sounds more like a six
Speaker 1: eight week type of deal. I think he'll start the
Speaker 1: season on IR if I had to guess. But he's
Speaker 1: got a chance to come back in the first half
Speaker 1: of the season, which is good news considering how bad
Speaker 1: it looked. Yeah, and that's the thing that I think
Speaker 1: if you didn't watch the game and you just saw
Speaker 1: the headline of an article we had about encouraging, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like encouraging timetable because based off of what it
Speaker 1: looked like. Now, I did see some of the comments
Speaker 1: on there, like that's not encouraging because he's out for
Speaker 1: probably two months. But like Dave saying, it could it
Speaker 1: could have been, and it looked like it could have
Speaker 1: been worse. I mean, best case scenario maybe six weeks.
Speaker 1: If you think, you know, we're three weeks away from
Speaker 1: the season starting, probably three games would be best case scenario.
Speaker 1: You know, four or five games is worse. But they
Speaker 1: have to make the decision on you know, do they
Speaker 1: want to put them on an IR to return, And
Speaker 1: that'll just you know, they'll they'll get to make that
Speaker 1: decision when we get closer, when we get on cut day.
Speaker 1: Real quick, just explain to people that all rules because
Speaker 1: they were they changed last year and now they're going
Speaker 1: to continue with what they had last year. Hopefully it's
Speaker 1: a permanent change. I know it three weeks. Three yes,
Speaker 1: so you're out for three weeks, you can come back,
Speaker 1: and there's no limit on the number of guys they
Speaker 1: can do that with, which I never I never understood
Speaker 1: why you have to punish a team for a guy
Speaker 1: getting hurt. Like, if a guy's out, you know, you
Speaker 1: used to what you used to get two guys that
Speaker 1: you could bring back, and it was eight weeks. So
Speaker 1: you know, if a guy's got a month long injury,
Speaker 1: you know basically have to shut down his season, even
Speaker 1: though you don't really need to. I just I always
Speaker 1: hated that. Well, there's a guy you know up in
Speaker 1: the North East that that bends the rules a lot,
Speaker 1: and so they they but but but a lot of coaches,
Speaker 1: a lot of teams that that's what they would do.
Speaker 1: They would end up stashing players and say that they're hurt,
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't be the only one, right, No, No,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of teams, you know, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: or you hurt, No, I'm okay, And then you drop
Speaker 1: a weight on his foot, and his foot's hurt and
Speaker 1: he's out and he's on. I don't even drop it.
Speaker 1: You just gotta act like you, right. So you know
Speaker 1: they're trying to make sure and police that. But I
Speaker 1: agree that there's got to be a better middle ground,
Speaker 1: and I think we're fine. We're finding it here now.
Speaker 1: The one the one thing about that is is that
Speaker 1: you have to be on the roster week one. That's
Speaker 1: that's the one thing here. So well, not week one,
Speaker 1: day one, Day one. I'm sorry, day one, don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't have to be there for the
Speaker 1: first game, but you do have to be on the
Speaker 1: roster for twenty four hours, which I mean, we saw
Speaker 1: it last year. It's gonna be a thing that they
Speaker 1: do again this year. They're gonna get creative with it. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, c J. Goodwin was the guy last year,
Speaker 1: could be him again, be him again. They're gonna you know,
Speaker 1: vested veterans, if you've played four seasons in the league,
Speaker 1: you don't have you're not subject to the waiver wire.
Speaker 1: You're not subject to that stuff. So you could see
Speaker 1: a c. J. Goodwin or maybe a J Ron Curse.
Speaker 1: Garrett Gilbert Garrett Gilbert. There's abody like that that they cut.
Speaker 1: Any number of guys that you can cut and say
Speaker 1: stick by her. Yeah, sure, anybody that's been in the
Speaker 1: league four years or longer. I mean, well, no, they
Speaker 1: couldn't do it to Dak because of his contract. That's
Speaker 1: a terrible I was trying to use it as an example.
Speaker 1: But anybody that's been in the league for four years
Speaker 1: or longer, you say, this is procedural, Go chill at
Speaker 1: home for a day, we'll call you. We gotta move
Speaker 1: some guys, and you know it's the cut. Kennedy, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they cut five years, so that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I would guess Neville goes to i R when the
Speaker 1: season starts, especially again, you got this log jam of
Speaker 1: young players. Obviously you would prefer him to be healthy,
Speaker 1: but this helps you make room for some of those
Speaker 1: types of guys. Uh. You know, at Tristan Hill could
Speaker 1: be moved to PUP. Maybe I gotta figure out what's
Speaker 1: up with Chauncey Gholston. People keep asking me about him.
Speaker 1: We're into the point of camp now where I feel like,
Speaker 1: wasn't it a hamstring? Yeah, let's go what I mean,
Speaker 1: well you, I mean there are degrees of hamstring. Let's go,
Speaker 1: let's go, there are degrees of hamstring. Jordan Lewis missed
Speaker 1: ten days with one. Chauncey's me. I covered Miles Austin.
Speaker 1: I understand. Francis Bernard is another one here, just hamstring
Speaker 1: on like the first day of camp and hasn't come
Speaker 1: close to practicing sinse. So but those are guys again.
Speaker 1: You know, Chauncey could wind up on pup to start
Speaker 1: the season. We'll have to see anyway, a lot of
Speaker 1: procedural stuff. But like I said, based on I mean,
Speaker 1: Neville was screaming on the field on front. I was like,
Speaker 1: this looks awful, and so four to eight weeks after that,
Speaker 1: I call that good news. Let's look at tight end
Speaker 1: as well. Tight End it's starting to be a position.
Speaker 1: Is that on your list? Yeah, I'm gonna get to
Speaker 1: you know they on the run down. I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: to that right after this. But but before we get there,
Speaker 1: That's why I went there. Before we get there, though,
Speaker 1: I did want to ask you guys about the defensive
Speaker 1: tackle position because when you just look at the depth
Speaker 1: of and Dave, you kind of started getting into it.
Speaker 1: But in my opinion, watching throughout training camp, that was
Speaker 1: only one defensive tackle position or player that I felt
Speaker 1: like was he is on the roster. He will be
Speaker 1: a guy that's going to be a regular rotation guy.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of guys doing a lot of
Speaker 1: different things, but Nevill Galliman will always working the first team.
Speaker 1: He was always out there. What does this mean for
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle position now that he will be out
Speaker 1: presumably at least three weeks, maybe some more, it's probably
Speaker 1: you know, it helps Carlos Watkins, even though he was
Speaker 1: playing pretty well anyway, I mean him Urban. You know,
Speaker 1: we were all we were wondering how it was gonna
Speaker 1: shake out, and it's kind of shaking itself out here
Speaker 1: now temporarily temporarily now after you know, four or five
Speaker 1: weeks of the season, we'll see. But then who knows
Speaker 1: if someone else doesn't get banged up. So I would
Speaker 1: think week one, you know, of the of a regular season,
Speaker 1: you know you're looking at an inside, You're looking at
Speaker 1: Watkins Urban, DIGI zua help me here, and I'm missing
Speaker 1: another tackle, I mean not a three technique because that's
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you got Quentin you got Quentin Bohem,
Speaker 1: you got Justin Hamilton. But that's the interesting thing for
Speaker 1: me is and that's why I think right now, this
Speaker 1: is an incredible opportunity for Osa because they drafted him
Speaker 1: to play three technique. That's what they want him to
Speaker 1: focus on right now, and all like everybody's versatile. You know,
Speaker 1: Watkins can do a little bit of everything, but nevill
Speaker 1: was going to start as your three technique in your
Speaker 1: four man front, and Osa is really the only guy
Speaker 1: that specializes in that right now. And so you know,
Speaker 1: I think he's probably the next man up to start.
Speaker 1: I do think, yeah, I think they're going to keep
Speaker 1: their eyes peeled. This is where your pro personnel comes
Speaker 1: into play. You know, we ran into our old buddy,
Speaker 1: Walter Julife on Friday night. The Longtime Scout team sends
Speaker 1: scouts to every game in the league for this reason
Speaker 1: is to look and say, okay, is there is there
Speaker 1: a pass rushing defensive tackle on any of these teams
Speaker 1: that might not have a future here that we can
Speaker 1: take a look at. I know people are gonna bring
Speaker 1: up Geno Atkins. He's still available. I don't why you
Speaker 1: raise your eyebrows. I could from the from the reports,
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like he's like a guy you necessarily
Speaker 1: want to go out and rely on. I mean, it
Speaker 1: sounds like he is. His injury history like it doesn't promising,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't think they're gonna do that.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna look at Neville's situation and say,
Speaker 1: we'll have him back in October. We've got some young
Speaker 1: guys we like. If there's a guy we can claim
Speaker 1: or a guy we can do a minor trade for
Speaker 1: when cuts come. We've seen him do stuff like that before.
Speaker 1: That's what I would expect to happen. I do think
Speaker 1: they'll try to add to it, but not in some
Speaker 1: crazy splashy way. Right. All right, let's move on, Nick,
Speaker 1: you kind of preempted it. We do need to talk
Speaker 1: about the tight end position. And actually let's go and
Speaker 1: jump into that because I want to get to Randy
Speaker 1: get Gregory. But let's start a tight end since you
Speaker 1: brought that one up. Sean McEwan gets hurt in the game. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was a guy that I think we all agree
Speaker 1: he had had pretty much played himself onto this roster um.
Speaker 1: What does this mean now for the tight end position?
Speaker 1: I guess first tell me what his injury is and
Speaker 1: how long, what his statusus like, and then let's talk
Speaker 1: about what it means for the It's a high ankle sprain,
Speaker 1: and high ankle sprain can obviously vary. Um. I've seen him.
Speaker 1: I've seen guys out six weeks. I've seen a guy
Speaker 1: come back and play on Thanksgiving short week, So I mean,
Speaker 1: where does he fall in there? Probably, you know, three
Speaker 1: to four weeks or so, which is which is another
Speaker 1: situation of you know, we'll see if he's an ir
Speaker 1: to return on the roster in the first day. But
Speaker 1: you know they're gonna they're they're still gonna limit Blake Jarwin,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, he played some they're not going
Speaker 1: to just rush him back there. And even though Dalton
Speaker 1: Schultz is banged up with an ankle injury, I don't
Speaker 1: think that's I don't think it's that serious though for
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz. So Sprinkles, you know, the only healthy really
Speaker 1: you know, veteran tight end there. And then you've got
Speaker 1: two other guys I don't even know their names. I
Speaker 1: was excited about you Banks coming in. He had He's
Speaker 1: got deceptive athleticism, but haven't seen a ton from either
Speaker 1: of those guys. Really may I mean, you're so far
Speaker 1: down in the depth chart at that point, I wonder
Speaker 1: which you know, you always try to glean things from
Speaker 1: what you get to see. McEwen was in a boot
Speaker 1: and had crutches on Friday night, But that doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: mean anything. It's kind of like Dak having an MRI.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, yeah, like you have access to this stuff,
Speaker 1: doesn't cost you any money. Why not? Why do you
Speaker 1: want a two hundred and fifty pound guy putting weight
Speaker 1: on his leg if he doesn't have to. So that
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean that he's out forever. And that's going
Speaker 1: to be an interesting one because if you're three weeks
Speaker 1: from the start of the season, so you could probably
Speaker 1: get away with just carrying him on your fifty three
Speaker 1: for a week or two, but you might have to
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Jeremy Sprinkle makes the team now when
Speaker 1: he probably wouldn't have before, And now you're just carrying
Speaker 1: four when maybe you were thinking you could carry three. Sure,
Speaker 1: And I mean McEwan was gonna make He's had a
Speaker 1: good camp as a tight end, but special teams is
Speaker 1: a big part of that too. He played a lot
Speaker 1: last year, and it's you know, it's it's funny how
Speaker 1: it's ironic the way all of these things tend to
Speaker 1: tie together. Because she wo allan Alua also hurt, probably
Speaker 1: not gonna be ready for the start of the season
Speaker 1: to hear it from Mike McCarthy. So, now, all these
Speaker 1: big body guys that can do a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: on special teams, you're you're losing them, and so they're
Speaker 1: going to have to find a way to get creative
Speaker 1: with that. You know, Kellen Moore was asked that question
Speaker 1: and he said, there's a lot of ways to do that,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it be four tight ends with a fullback,
Speaker 1: an extra running back. He even said, an extra wide
Speaker 1: receiver or a wide receiver that can do some of
Speaker 1: those roles. And you know, I don't think he's great
Speaker 1: at it, but Noah Brown has done it in the past,
Speaker 1: and he's kind of got that big, big body to
Speaker 1: do that that's not as forte and then he kind
Speaker 1: of gets into, you know, you get into a role
Speaker 1: that he's not as comfortable with. So but you know,
Speaker 1: I think if they needed to do some things on
Speaker 1: game day, Noah Brown could be one of the you know,
Speaker 1: feels like you're going to probably keep six receivers here.
Speaker 1: I would think, yeah, still, really we still have two
Speaker 1: games to play in the preseason. But I I just
Speaker 1: can't see them cutting you know, any of those three backups.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's three and then three and
Speaker 1: then after that. I don't know, but the three Malik Turner,
Speaker 1: Noah Brown and well see that's im. Sorry, I'm fascinated
Speaker 1: by that because I was talking about this before the
Speaker 1: game on Friday. Yeah, Cedric, Cedric and Noah should make
Speaker 1: the team. Like I know, the front office wants to
Speaker 1: save money look somewhere else. I mean, like they're not
Speaker 1: that expensive, and they're versatile, and they're clearly the best players.
Speaker 1: They're clearly much better than the other guys. You know.
Speaker 1: I know people were saying Noah had a drop at
Speaker 1: the beginning of that game. I didn't think that was
Speaker 1: a drop. I mean, he could have caught it, but
Speaker 1: it was a well played ball by the dB in
Speaker 1: my opinion, like Michael Gallup dropped it. That's I Noah Brown,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't consider that a drop anyway. I
Speaker 1: think they're a lot better than everybody else. They've been
Speaker 1: working with Dak for three four years at this point,
Speaker 1: so if they need to play, they have that rapport
Speaker 1: with him. I just and the special teams obviously, Like
Speaker 1: that just doesn't make sense to me, but I do.
Speaker 1: The thing I wonder about is Malik Turner and Semi Fajoko, Like,
Speaker 1: how important is your draft pick? First? How valuable? I mean,
Speaker 1: Malik Turner can do a lot of stuff. I'm not
Speaker 1: convinced Semi can. But he's the he's the draft pick,
Speaker 1: and he's he's got the very interesting intangibles. I you know,
Speaker 1: I just take my chances on the practice squad with him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. And my bed
Speaker 1: is there's probably the vast majority of teams out there
Speaker 1: have a Semi Fioco, Like they have somebody at their
Speaker 1: camp where it's like, we think we can get him
Speaker 1: to the practice squad, We're not really sure. I think
Speaker 1: those guys tend to maybe available to you. This will
Speaker 1: be my ninth round of roster cuts, and I can't,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody brings up Danny Amendola. Like in the
Speaker 1: time that I've covered the team, I can't think of
Speaker 1: a guy that they cut who got away from him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not like somebody that everybody was like Noah, oh my god,
Speaker 1: him and Ammndola. People forget that Ammendola actually made it
Speaker 1: through a whole season. He was on practice squad the
Speaker 1: entire rookie season and then the Eagles when when they
Speaker 1: made the playoffs and the Cowboys didn't, the Eagles just
Speaker 1: tried to sign him to their thinking they could make
Speaker 1: him to their practice squads and say we're still and
Speaker 1: it didn't work out, but he still went and signed
Speaker 1: with someone else. But I mean, it's not like he
Speaker 1: was he was. He wasn't even claimed right away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was a Hard Knocks feature and all that
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and that's happens, but not not much.
Speaker 1: Rondelle Carter got claimed like the Colts signed him, but
Speaker 1: that was a month end of the season. He wound
Speaker 1: up back a month later. Blake Jarwin tried to leave,
Speaker 1: but even that was like October. It convinced him to stay.
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot more rare than people think that
Speaker 1: a guy gets claimed off your initial cuts in my experience,
Speaker 1: at least yep um. Real quick. You mentioned Molie Turner.
Speaker 1: He did also have an injury as well. What's his status.
Speaker 1: Turf toe, turf it's what they're calling it. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't have a timeline that's talked to our buddy Brian
Speaker 1: brought us about this, and I mean it's a sad reality.
Speaker 1: Like you know, injuries can differ based on how much
Speaker 1: work you need to do to make the team. So
Speaker 1: I mean, if that's if that's maybe you know, maybe
Speaker 1: he doesn't go today, But if that's the thing that
Speaker 1: you can grind through and still be available, one of
Speaker 1: the minor the reality of being at the bottom of
Speaker 1: the feel good one of the most injury for later.
Speaker 1: But that's one of the most underrated injuries. Seriously, Oh
Speaker 1: the pain of it. Oh well just I mean, you
Speaker 1: you think that it's not a big deal. I get
Speaker 1: you got nine more. It is a very not serious
Speaker 1: sounding injury, like maybe we need to give it him suss,
Speaker 1: like you stubbed your toe. But like in the reality
Speaker 1: when you're especially as any anybody that's trying to run
Speaker 1: and cut and do all that, like it's you realize
Speaker 1: how much you use that well, I mean, turf toe
Speaker 1: changed a whole season for the Cowboys back at ninety
Speaker 1: eight Dan Sanders. They were rolling and then Dion gets
Speaker 1: hurt with turf toe, and you know they weren't the
Speaker 1: same after that, so that that really affects him. I've
Speaker 1: seen that injury really affect the whole team. It was
Speaker 1: it was turf toe that Patrick Mahomes had in the
Speaker 1: home stretch of last year, right, And I mean he
Speaker 1: obviously played through it, but he needed surgery when the
Speaker 1: season was over. So but you know, when you're the
Speaker 1: seventh receiver, sixth receiver on the team, which so we'll
Speaker 1: see how long he's out, but that just might be
Speaker 1: a situation where you got to grind through it. We'll see,
Speaker 1: all right, real quick, let's talk about Tie and Seki.
Speaker 1: He also at one point left the game. I think
Speaker 1: he came back, but I just wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: he's okay. I think that might and I don't know
Speaker 1: this for sure. I haven't heard anything firm about him,
Speaker 1: but he did walk off the field and literally three
Speaker 1: days prior to the game, he had the same thing
Speaker 1: happened where he got tangled up left kind of walked
Speaker 1: it off for ten or fifteen minutes and then was
Speaker 1: fine later. And I mean, he's like thirty six years old,
Speaker 1: and it just might be a reality of playing offensive
Speaker 1: tackle when you've got that much mileage on your knees.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what's going to happen at
Speaker 1: that tackle position. That is a tough one. Yeah, honestly,
Speaker 1: honestly that it to me, it's it's the offensive line
Speaker 1: because you look at the that's the backup at the tackles,
Speaker 1: the interior offensive line. Like, who knows how they're gonna
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that a little later in the
Speaker 1: show too, but yeah, make your point. I have no idea. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I have no idea what's going on
Speaker 1: with I don't really know what they're trying to do
Speaker 1: at center. Not really sure what's going on at swing tackle,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, they would love if Terrence Steele
Speaker 1: could just do it, but I don't. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they think he can. Yeah, and I don't think
Speaker 1: they are one hundred percent confident. Insecky And then you
Speaker 1: got your you know, does Martin is he is he
Speaker 1: the swing tackle there? I mean, it's just I'm starting
Speaker 1: to think he should be and I think I think
Speaker 1: it was last It was one of our last shows
Speaker 1: in Oxnard where I was like I'd rather keep Zach
Speaker 1: at guard if I can. But yeah, but if you do,
Speaker 1: if you do that at this point, yeah, if that
Speaker 1: is the option, then I don't know why Insechi would
Speaker 1: be here. Well, I do think. I think it's two
Speaker 1: different things. I think if you're in a game and
Speaker 1: you lose a tackle, that I would like Insecchi or
Speaker 1: or Steele to be able to just step in and
Speaker 1: play the rest of that game. If you lose a
Speaker 1: tackle for an extended period of time, I don't think
Speaker 1: he even mess around. Whether you say, Zach Martin, get
Speaker 1: on out there to tackle and be ready to play
Speaker 1: this weekend at tackle and play it for the next
Speaker 1: few weeks until we get our guy back. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's the way I look at I think I
Speaker 1: would be the opposite, honest really, yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: would rather. I would rather the Zach kick out in
Speaker 1: the middle of the game. Well, here's the way reason
Speaker 1: why I look at it like that, A team isn't
Speaker 1: gonna necessarily game plan for Steel or Insecchi during the
Speaker 1: middle of a game. If they got a week and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, that's gonna be their starting tackle, I
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be all kinds of problems because I
Speaker 1: don't think that they are. I don't think there is
Speaker 1: good of players obviously, And I think that if you
Speaker 1: give a team a week to realize what kind of
Speaker 1: player they are and how you can get them, I
Speaker 1: think you're they're gonna get them a lot. So I again,
Speaker 1: in the game, I think you can probably manage. You
Speaker 1: can probably get by when you got a week. Give me,
Speaker 1: give me my best guy to slide out to tackle,
Speaker 1: because I want them to have to think about the
Speaker 1: fact he's going to be out there, don't I don't
Speaker 1: think it takes that long to realize if Tyren Smith's
Speaker 1: not out there and it's Terrence Steele. Now that now,
Speaker 1: now we're gonna move this guy to this side and
Speaker 1: he's gonna rush off the edge, And like, I don't
Speaker 1: think there's needs a lot of game planning involved. It's
Speaker 1: like we're gonna blitz on that side. Now. We weren't
Speaker 1: going to do that at all, but now we are.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, but the but the thing is that that
Speaker 1: defensive end didn't spend all week watching film of Terrence
Speaker 1: Steele to be able to beat Terren Steele. He watched
Speaker 1: the week of film of Tyren Smith. Does he need it?
Speaker 1: He may not, but I'm saying he has. Imagine what
Speaker 1: happens when he does have a week of watching Terrence
Speaker 1: Steele to prepare to play Terrence Like it's differently saw
Speaker 1: that right, So I think that's the way I look
Speaker 1: at it. I think that's why I want one of
Speaker 1: those guys to at least be manageable to get me
Speaker 1: through the end of the game. And then I'll adapt
Speaker 1: and say, give me my best calf right to step
Speaker 1: my quarterback. Twenty nine of the thirty two teams in
Speaker 1: the league think this. But now the depth on the
Speaker 1: offensive line is worrisome, and I the Connor Williams center
Speaker 1: experiment thing makes me real nervous. Now that was like
Speaker 1: in you know, first game, bad snaps are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's his first game ever. Two more bad snaps in
Speaker 1: the second game, and so it it reminds me of
Speaker 1: like my college career, like just trying to cram for
Speaker 1: a test the night before. It's like, why did you
Speaker 1: wait until July twenty third to try this? Why weren't
Speaker 1: we doing it before? Here's what we're gonna do. We're
Speaker 1: gonna take a break when we come back We are
Speaker 1: going to talk about the offensive line, in particularly that
Speaker 1: interior part of the offensive line, and get your opinions
Speaker 1: on what they're doing at center right now. But before
Speaker 1: we get to that, we're going to talk about the quarterback,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. I'm gonna find out where he is right
Speaker 1: now in his recovery and what you can expect from
Speaker 1: him over the next couple weeks heading into the season.
Speaker 1: We'll do that when we come right back. This is
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. Before there was a draft,
Speaker 1: you could size up a cowboy by three simple factors.
Speaker 1: Decrease at his hat, the bend of his brim, and
Speaker 1: his unbending attitude a man. Stetson didn't just protect him
Speaker 1: from what life throw at him, It projected a rugged,
Speaker 1: unstoppable spirit. Stetson hats are still American, made with pride.
Speaker 1: Right here in Texas. There's still the unofficial crowd of
Speaker 1: all self respecting cowboys, and Stetson is proud to be
Speaker 1: on the field with America's team. Find a retailer nearest
Speaker 1: Jewitt Stetson dot com slash Cowboys The Cowboys Way, where
Speaker 1: sixteen Hall of Famers and five championships shows us what
Speaker 1: success looks like where turkey is always the second best
Speaker 1: part of Thanksgiving Day, where we are all defined by
Speaker 1: one single thing, the star, where we as fans know
Speaker 1: it's our job to keep the tradition going. Bank of
Speaker 1: America is proud to be the official bank of the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys and to support the quest of living life
Speaker 1: the Cowboys Way Copyright twenty twenty. Bank of America Corporation.
Speaker 1: Want to use what the pros use? How about the
Speaker 1: official men's skincare brand of the Dallas Cowboys, Jack Black.
Speaker 1: Right now you can get the Jack Black Starter, a
Speaker 1: curated collection of Cowboys locker room favorites, for just ten
Speaker 1: bucks with free shipping. The starter includes four Jack Clack
Speaker 1: skincare favorites plus a full sized intense therapy lip bomb.
Speaker 1: Go to get Jack Black dot com slash Cowboys and
Speaker 1: use the code word team JB. That's get Jack Black
Speaker 1: dot com slash Cowboys the Jack Black Starter, ten bucks,
Speaker 1: free shipping. Honey, big news, Gary? Are you okay? Oh?
Speaker 1: I'm not Gary anymore. I'm Jackie Flash. What see? I
Speaker 1: want the latest smartphone, but the best deals are only
Speaker 1: for new customers. So to get a new customer deal,
Speaker 1: I changed my name to Jackie Flash. Okay, but the
Speaker 1: best smartphone deals at AT AT and T are for everyone,
Speaker 1: new and existing customers. That's huge. Then guess who's getting
Speaker 1: the deal? Is it Jackie Flash, Jackie Flash? It's not complicated.
Speaker 1: At and T our best smartphone deals are for everyone.
Speaker 1: Restrictions apply. Is it att dot com for details. Back
Speaker 1: to the break. Dallas Cowboys training Camp presented by American
Speaker 1: Airlines is back at the Star in Frisco. Watch Cowboys
Speaker 1: practice on August sixteenth. That's tonight, Also on August twenty,
Speaker 1: twenty seventh, and twenty eight inside Forward Center at the Star.
Speaker 1: At Mission and parking are free. Visit the Star in
Speaker 1: Frisco dot com for details. Welcome back. It is the
Speaker 1: second segment of the Brick Claff STWBC Mortgage Studios at
Speaker 1: the Star. Nick just mentioned it, But if you get
Speaker 1: a chance, come out tonight Cowboys have Cowboys Night. It
Speaker 1: is a very special event. If you can come out,
Speaker 1: if you have an opportunity to come out, it's a
Speaker 1: chance to see the Cowboys live and in person at
Speaker 1: Ford Center at Star. Practice will start at six o'clock.
Speaker 1: But if you're coming out, you can enter the building
Speaker 1: I think around four PM. Get a chance to come
Speaker 1: out and see all your favorite players, and that'll last
Speaker 1: from six to eight. If you're not in town. You'll
Speaker 1: also be able to watch it on our Cowboys Now app,
Speaker 1: which is our connected TV app. You'll also be able
Speaker 1: to watch it on our website as well as our
Speaker 1: Connected team. I mean, I'm sorry, our mobile app, Cowboys Now,
Speaker 1: I mean a Cowboys mobile. A lot of people in
Speaker 1: the booth for that. I mean, we gotta like rotate
Speaker 1: it like we did for the Rams game. How are
Speaker 1: we doing it well? Drew Pearson will be in there
Speaker 1: and start with so um, good luck following him. But
Speaker 1: speak of Drew Pearson, do you want to give a little,
Speaker 1: a little shout out to you made it to the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. That's not what I was going to
Speaker 1: talk about. If they didn't think so, it was a
Speaker 1: really really well done documentary on Drew Pearson, Alex Lilly,
Speaker 1: Kurt Daniels did phenomenal job putting that thing together. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you about that. And I feel like, without
Speaker 1: sounding terrible here, but I know I feel like I
Speaker 1: know quite a bit of the Cowboy's history. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say yes, I absolutely I I
Speaker 1: don't like saying it, but I know my share, and
Speaker 1: I watched that, and I know the hail Mary and
Speaker 1: all that, and that's not a flag, it's an orange.
Speaker 1: And then to push off and he pumped face, you know,
Speaker 1: he pumps Krouse over here and throws it. I learned
Speaker 1: more about that game in that play in Drew Pearson's
Speaker 1: life than I ever knew. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: I was like, I know it all, but I I
Speaker 1: thought I knew a lot of it, and I was
Speaker 1: very impressed with all the stuff that that they got
Speaker 1: in there. I thought it was very well done. So
Speaker 1: shout out to Kurt Daniels and Alex Lily and that
Speaker 1: whole team that we have there, But it was really
Speaker 1: those two guys that did a great job with it.
Speaker 1: They absolutely crushed it. And coming up next week, we're
Speaker 1: just getting started. Coming up next we got Darren Woodson's
Speaker 1: story that'll be coming out this Saturday night or Saturday
Speaker 1: evening or is it Friday Saturday Saturday Saturday night. It'll
Speaker 1: be coming out and it'll be on the normal channels
Speaker 1: where you can watch all those other things. As that
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlierhere. You can watch the practice tonight, but
Speaker 1: again check those out Deep Blue documentaries. We'll be running
Speaker 1: fourth throughout the preseason this year. Some really really good storytelling.
Speaker 1: All right, let's jump back into our conversation we were
Speaker 1: We wanted to talk about Dak Prescott coming out of camp.
Speaker 1: He had been injured. He mentioned there before we left
Speaker 1: camp that he was going to have a He thought
Speaker 1: he was progressing really well. He was going to have
Speaker 1: a n m R when he got back to Dallas,
Speaker 1: just to make sure everything's progressing. Well. What did they
Speaker 1: find when they did the MRI. Least surprising thing ever,
Speaker 1: is they said he was going to have it today.
Speaker 1: And I don't know this for sure, but I know
Speaker 1: Dak decently well by this point. I just feel like
Speaker 1: he woke up Saturday and was like, why why are
Speaker 1: we waiting? What are no Like? Isn't a machine? It's
Speaker 1: a machine right over there? Right? Yeah, So this sounds
Speaker 1: like McCarthy's that way too, watching that one episode of Yeah,
Speaker 1: He's like, whatever, Yeah, let's go, let's get started on this.
Speaker 1: If this is going to if this is going to
Speaker 1: affect me and my team again, let's find out now, right,
Speaker 1: the indication is that it won't. Um, he had the MRI.
Speaker 1: It sounds like everything's good, he's healing up. Um, there's
Speaker 1: no additional damage from these throwing sessions. So it just
Speaker 1: sounds like he's going to continue on his path. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's I don't think he's gonna get out
Speaker 1: there tonight and rip fifty balls. But he should do
Speaker 1: a little bit more. And I do like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody knows if he'll actually play on
Speaker 1: Saturday right now, but I bet that's the goal, is
Speaker 1: to see how he handles some work, see if he
Speaker 1: can ramp himself up in these practices this week, and
Speaker 1: try to get him, you know, six to ten snaps
Speaker 1: on Saturday night if that's feasible. Not Again, like, they
Speaker 1: don't know right now, because you got to see how
Speaker 1: he handles this. You're not going to throw him out
Speaker 1: there if it doesn't seem right. But I bet that
Speaker 1: they would like to do that. Yeah, And I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously we don't know if he'll play this Saturday. But
Speaker 1: my suspicion is, and I'll let you guys speak for yourselves,
Speaker 1: my suspicion is, you guys feel pretty good that he
Speaker 1: will be there come Thursday, September ninth, when the Cowboys
Speaker 1: traveled to Tampa Bay. Always have yes. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's that's been the goal and that's the only I mean,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's the only goal, but it's the
Speaker 1: it's the main goal. And if if they can get
Speaker 1: in a couple of snaps in preseason, fine, but you
Speaker 1: know they'll be they'll be fine without it. Just like
Speaker 1: to reiterate my position, as long as we're doing this,
Speaker 1: somebody somebody like, you know, they had that rash of injuries,
Speaker 1: like four guys got hurt in twenty minutes on Friday night,
Speaker 1: and somebody on Twitter was like, are we sure we
Speaker 1: want Dak to play in the preseason. I was like,
Speaker 1: absolutely the hell not. No, we don't. I mean the
Speaker 1: coaches might, and Dak might. But if if snap one
Speaker 1: against Shaquille Barrett and damackin Sue Is, if that's the
Speaker 1: first snap of his season, that's a okay with me.
Speaker 1: As long as he's ready for it. Yeah, that's one
Speaker 1: thing I learned from Hard Knocks. That's a very intense guy.
Speaker 1: He doesn't like not playing, so they're having to hold
Speaker 1: him back. For his own good. You needed to see
Speaker 1: that to know well, I mean, I know, well, he
Speaker 1: doesn't conduct himself that way in the media. That's the difference.
Speaker 1: The difference is I knew that Dak wanted to be
Speaker 1: out there. I knew that Dak was a really, really
Speaker 1: impressive competitor. What I saw in that was that he
Speaker 1: is intense, Like he's very intense, and he doesn't take
Speaker 1: too kind to lead to people not wanting not giving
Speaker 1: him the opportunity to get on the field. And so
Speaker 1: that that the That was the part that was I
Speaker 1: think a revelation for me, because that's not who he
Speaker 1: is off the field, right, You gotta be a little
Speaker 1: bit of an a hole to be great at that.
Speaker 1: I mean to be great at anything really, probably, but
Speaker 1: especially a quarterback in the NFL. Yeah, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the backup quarterbacks. Nick, you wrote an
Speaker 1: interesting article and Garrett Gilbert in that game, he was
Speaker 1: seven of sixteen or forty four percent completion percentage. He
Speaker 1: had eighty yards passing. His rating was fifty nine point four.
Speaker 1: Not a great statistical day for him. But all that
Speaker 1: being said, and I know you wrote the article, tell
Speaker 1: me what the I guess the point of your article
Speaker 1: and what you're thinking right now at the backup quarterback. Well,
Speaker 1: if they're always going to keep looking for everything, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if he was, if it was one
Speaker 1: fifty eight point three was the rating, they're going to
Speaker 1: always look to see if there's something better, and they're
Speaker 1: going to continue to do that, and they're going to
Speaker 1: continue to look at the waiver wire. I don't feel
Speaker 1: like there's going to be a lot of options that
Speaker 1: are better than what they have. So I feel like
Speaker 1: he's going to be the backup. And I thought he
Speaker 1: played well in that game. I thought he was putting
Speaker 1: in some very uncomfortable situations and I thought he did
Speaker 1: a really nice job handling himself there. He didn't get
Speaker 1: a lot of help. You expect your center to get
Speaker 1: the ball back to you. Two instances that he didn't,
Speaker 1: he still managed to kind of, you know, salvage it
Speaker 1: and make a play. And you know, Army crawled here
Speaker 1: and got up and threw it and all that. And
Speaker 1: then he steps in the pocket on another play and
Speaker 1: throws it over the middle to Michael Gallup and Gallop
Speaker 1: missed the ball. You know, he catches that ball like
Speaker 1: he should, and you know they're in a much different
Speaker 1: situation in that drive. I think he can get it
Speaker 1: down to probably the ten yard liner, So we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens there. I thought he did a nice job
Speaker 1: there and I don't feel like there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of other options there. Um, when it's time to
Speaker 1: to change it out. They're giving him the chance to
Speaker 1: win the job, and I think he's going to do that.
Speaker 1: I think you are. I think he already has. Remember
Speaker 1: he's not going to lose it to somebody that's on
Speaker 1: this team. And oh he's not. He's not going to No,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I was laughing because I don't
Speaker 1: even think that's close. It's not like I don't know
Speaker 1: about other guys out there, but I don't think that's
Speaker 1: even close. Cooper Rush has he's looked all right. Um.
Speaker 1: I think there's a clear difference in arm talent when
Speaker 1: he's out there, like if he if he if he's
Speaker 1: got to throw it outside the numbers, it doesn't It
Speaker 1: doesn't look great in my opinion, just in terms of
Speaker 1: getting it there with the speed and accuracy that it needs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to throw one more thing in there.
Speaker 1: Too like, and I wrote this that I don't care
Speaker 1: who you are in the league. I don't care if
Speaker 1: you won Super Bowls, Pro Bowls, whatever, You're not making
Speaker 1: a better throw to Cedric Wilson on the right side.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna. I mean, like that is in his arsenal.
Speaker 1: We'd know that he'd made a throw like that and
Speaker 1: his first started to Amari Cooper and against Pittsburgh. He
Speaker 1: can do that, and so you know, he reminds me
Speaker 1: a little bit of Jason Garrett in the way, even
Speaker 1: though Garrett's he's taller and he's got a better arm.
Speaker 1: But as far as you know, good deep ball touch,
Speaker 1: will stay ready, very smart, understands what he's doing. That's
Speaker 1: kind of what you want out of a backup y.
Speaker 1: I think more than anything, he just looks comfortable, and
Speaker 1: that's that's the best thing you can ask for. Probably, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was actually it was the play we talked
Speaker 1: about earlier that some were calling a drop by Noah Brown,
Speaker 1: like to get that ball off the feet, like off
Speaker 1: the carpet, maneuver around all the garbage and still get
Speaker 1: an accurate throw off. It was very impressive. It was
Speaker 1: an incompletion and I thought it was probably the most
Speaker 1: impressive play of his night. Yeah. No, he just he
Speaker 1: is leaps and bounds better than the other two guys
Speaker 1: on this team. And you know, I keep saying his name,
Speaker 1: but there's no interest in Blake Bortles. Clearly or else
Speaker 1: something would have happened by now because he's just sitting
Speaker 1: out there. He might even be back in Green Bay
Speaker 1: soon because Jordan loves Hurt, So I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anybody available right now that they like more. And when
Speaker 1: you talk about quarterbacks like yeah, people bring up the
Speaker 1: situation in Chicago, but it's hard for me to imagine
Speaker 1: them trading for a salary like that. Maybe if one
Speaker 1: of those guys gets released, maybe, But if I had
Speaker 1: to bet on it, I would say Garret Gilbertville. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I look at a backup quarterback, and to me, a
Speaker 1: backup quarterback just needs to if everyone else around him
Speaker 1: can pick it up. When you lose your starter, they
Speaker 1: give you a chance to win. And that's what would
Speaker 1: have to happen. You've got all these this talent on
Speaker 1: this offense, they'd have to step up. And I think
Speaker 1: if you would have given him the two starting tackles
Speaker 1: in the game that he played last year, I think
Speaker 1: that may have ended up being a different game. I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought he played a decent game for what the
Speaker 1: situation is placed in. So yeah, I think I've seen
Speaker 1: enough to where I feel like he can be a
Speaker 1: solid backup for you. And what you have to do is, again,
Speaker 1: if if Dad goes down, everybody else is gonna have
Speaker 1: to play better in order to make sure that you
Speaker 1: have even a chance. But I think if everybody else
Speaker 1: can play better, then I think he'll give you a chance.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. I still think this is not
Speaker 1: a good backup quarterback situation, like you think again team,
Speaker 1: you know the Saints. How many teams have those, and
Speaker 1: it's only it's only five or six that ever feel
Speaker 1: good about it. It's either if you have a first
Speaker 1: round pick that's not starting yet like the Packers or
Speaker 1: maybe the Bears forty nine ers, or if you luck
Speaker 1: into an amazing situation like the Cowboys did with Andy
Speaker 1: last year. Or you know, the Saints had Teddy Bridgewater
Speaker 1: when he was trying to resurrect his career, Like you
Speaker 1: need good fortune to have that situation. That being said,
Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys have it right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: Garrett Gilbert's fine, He's definitely better than what's available. Oh
Speaker 1: it's not. I don't feel great about this situation, but
Speaker 1: given that they don't seem likely to do anything about it,
Speaker 1: I feel okay. Well, it's shortsighted too for any fan
Speaker 1: to think that, you know, something's not going to give.
Speaker 1: When you give a guy forty million dollars a year
Speaker 1: at that position, you have to give something. And that's
Speaker 1: and you're you're banking on him to be great. You're
Speaker 1: banking on him to be one of the best quarterbacks
Speaker 1: you know, in the in the league, if not the best.
Speaker 1: That's what they're that's what they're hoping for, that's what
Speaker 1: that's what they paid him to do. So you can't
Speaker 1: really you just don't have a lot of money in
Speaker 1: resources to do anything other than that. And they're hoping
Speaker 1: to lucky. Dave said, luck into it. A guy that's
Speaker 1: been around seven years and he's got three starts, I mean,
Speaker 1: but hopefully the experience of being around in different systems
Speaker 1: will get him ready to play. All right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take our final break. When we come back, I want
Speaker 1: to talk about the center position. Cowboys are not calling
Speaker 1: it a competition. We saw Connor Williams start at center
Speaker 1: in this last game, and I want to ask these
Speaker 1: guys if they think it's a competition or if they
Speaker 1: think it's just a situation where they're trying to get
Speaker 1: their backup. Ready. We'll talk about that when we come
Speaker 1: right back. This is Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Clint Tullison with United aggin Turf. Before you can
Speaker 1: park yourself in front of the game, park yourself in
Speaker 1: a John Dear and power through your chores. Our land
Speaker 1: Run package is a ten twenty five R twenty five
Speaker 1: horsepower tractor with a loader, rotary cutter and a box
Speaker 1: blade for two twenty nine a month. And the price
Speaker 1: you see is the price you'll pay. No surprises, so
Speaker 1: don't miss another kickoff. Visit United Agginturf dot com offer
Speaker 1: INDs February first, twenty twenty one. Restrictions are plenty see
Speaker 1: dealer for details. Now let's get to work, Honey, big news, Gary,
Speaker 1: Are you okay? Oh? I'm not Gary anymore. I'm Jackie Flash.
Speaker 1: What see? I want the latest smartphone, but the best
Speaker 1: deals are only for new customers. So to get a
Speaker 1: new customer deal, I change my name to it Jackie Flash. Okay,
Speaker 1: but the best smartphone deals at AT and TRE for everyone,
Speaker 1: new and existing customers. That's huge. Then guess who's getting
Speaker 1: a deal. Is it Jackie Flash, Jackie Flash. It's not
Speaker 1: complicated at AT and t our best smartphone deals are
Speaker 1: for everyone. Restrictions apply. Is it att dot com for
Speaker 1: details new Doctor Pepper zero sugar, You deserve it. I
Speaker 1: do deserve that. You deserve decadent flavor without sugar, and
Speaker 1: a day at the beach without sand getting everywhere, and
Speaker 1: a relaxing bath that your children don't interrupt. I deserve
Speaker 1: all that. It's just a visual metaphor for doctor Pepper
Speaker 1: zero sugar. Everything you want, nothing you don't a visual
Speaker 1: metaphor on the radio. I do deserve that, Doctor Pepper,
Speaker 1: zero sugar, the zero you deserve is finally here. Before
Speaker 1: there was a draft, you could size up a cowboy
Speaker 1: by three simple factors. The crease in his hat, the
Speaker 1: bend of his brim, and his unbending attitude. A man
Speaker 1: stetson didn't just protect him from what life through at him.
Speaker 1: It projected a rugged, unstoppable spirit. Stetson hats are still
Speaker 1: American made with pride. Right here in Texas, there's still
Speaker 1: the unofficial crown of all self respecting Cowboys, and Stetson
Speaker 1: is proud to be on the field with America's team.
Speaker 1: Find a retailer nearest to you at Stetson dot com
Speaker 1: slash Cowboys. Back to the Break. Don't miss your chance
Speaker 1: to see the Cowboys at ATNC Stadium this season. A
Speaker 1: limited number of single games, standing room only tickets are
Speaker 1: on sale now. Get yours today at Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: com slash tickets. There we go back, final segment of
Speaker 1: the Break. Life and SWBC Mortgage Studios at the start. Hey,
Speaker 1: real quick, I don't know if y'all were listening. Do
Speaker 1: y'all ever listen to? Uh? Y'all ever listening? Hanging with
Speaker 1: the boys? Not really? To be honest with you, sure
Speaker 1: that's not a shot at any of our colleagues, Like
Speaker 1: I don't. Well, they were taking shots at us this
Speaker 1: morning and it got so bad where I literally walked
Speaker 1: down and got on the air. Are you serious? I
Speaker 1: can't tell if you're kids. I'm very seriously. They mad
Speaker 1: that they weren't at training camp. Well, they just they
Speaker 1: took it personal that I was. I called him out
Speaker 1: and said, they want a better show than us, and
Speaker 1: so they they're now like they've launched this war against
Speaker 1: the Break where they're gonna just show the Break that
Speaker 1: they are the better show. I was like, well, numbers
Speaker 1: will prove it. So let's let's see where you go
Speaker 1: with it. I mean, okay, it's like practice squad chirping
Speaker 1: at QB one. Okay, it's like when the little kid
Speaker 1: runs up to you and you just gotta hold them.
Speaker 1: Like that's like the young man during during training camp.
Speaker 1: Disbelieve Kurt would talk like that. Well, Kurt was the
Speaker 1: only one, wasn't there, He probably would have talked some
Speaker 1: sense and to him, like, y'alla once, tone this down
Speaker 1: a little bit. Kurt Kelvin Joseph form like he kind
Speaker 1: of made headlines for talking about no fly zone, airplane
Speaker 1: mode and all that. Somebody asked Dak about it and
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, I don't think he's gotten a
Speaker 1: chance to go against me and my guys, so you know,
Speaker 1: maybe he should do that before he runs his mouth
Speaker 1: more or less. I mean I'm paraphrasing basically, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: same energy. I just didn't know if you guys heard
Speaker 1: that this one well you started it, well I did,
Speaker 1: but I mean it was just, you know, it was
Speaker 1: just interesting me if they had something to say a
Speaker 1: matter of fact. Yeah, yeah, we'll see. We'll see what
Speaker 1: that all means as we get into the season. Competition
Speaker 1: brings out the best and everything. Hide lifts all boats.
Speaker 1: Got no problem with competition whatsoever. I told him they
Speaker 1: should listen in to the break more often. Maybe he'll
Speaker 1: get some pointers. All right, let's get back in. We
Speaker 1: do need to talk about the offensive line, particularly the
Speaker 1: interior part of the offensive line. This last game, Connor
Speaker 1: Williams started at center, and I keep seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of media guys they're talking about this and they're like cowboys,
Speaker 1: keeps saying this is not a competition. This certainly looks
Speaker 1: like a competition. And as I was watching, I was
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, Okay, so basically what they want me
Speaker 1: to believe is that the center, the starting center, who
Speaker 1: was only in his second year and didn't even start
Speaker 1: all of last year, is so good that they're like,
Speaker 1: we got to take all these stamps and give them
Speaker 1: to the backup because we got to get him ready.
Speaker 1: Rather than making sure the starter is ready. It doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to make sense to me. You guys make sense
Speaker 1: for me. I actually can't. Well, I'll try. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a competition, and Connor's showing you that himself.
Speaker 1: I mean, four bad snaps in maybe twenty preseason opportunity.
Speaker 1: I mean that's that ain't good. But you don't think
Speaker 1: that they should be giving those snaps. I would think
Speaker 1: start a quarterback hasn't played yet. Like, I don't care
Speaker 1: what Bodis does with Karret Gilbert. I care. I care
Speaker 1: less about well, I shouldn't say that I will make it.
Speaker 1: I care about the snap just as much as I
Speaker 1: care about what happens after the snap. I'm going to
Speaker 1: lose my Jalen Smith bet to you in already, so
Speaker 1: I want to lose the behandah bet so very well.
Speaker 1: All right, let's make a rubber bet. Let's make a
Speaker 1: rubber match bet right now. If Dak plays against Houston,
Speaker 1: beatas will be the center. That's well, it's also coming
Speaker 1: off a game whereas you just say Connor head too.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, and here's what makes it make
Speaker 1: even less sense. It's not a competition that they're like
Speaker 1: Connor might be better than Tyler. It is a holy crap.
Speaker 1: Connors never played center in a game. We gotta get
Speaker 1: him out there exactly, which I mean it takes you
Speaker 1: all we were we've been talking about huh's end you
Speaker 1: don't I mean the Giants technically have his rights he retired.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think that's a coincidence. You should think again, seriously,
Speaker 1: we've I mean, that's that's next level stuff. But I
Speaker 1: think from what I was told that there's a reason
Speaker 1: why that happened. So maybe they should have signed him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they could have done. I this is you know,
Speaker 1: in a lot of instances, we don't know as much
Speaker 1: as they do. But it goes back to the Zach
Speaker 1: Martin fantasy football tackle thing. It still misses you off.
Speaker 1: It always will. Don't to quote my father, don't pee
Speaker 1: down my leg and tell me it's raining, like I'm
Speaker 1: not stupid. Um. And it's the same thing. Like all spring,
Speaker 1: we're like, there's not really another center on this team.
Speaker 1: Kind of weird. Huh No, that's not a big deal.
Speaker 1: They get to training camp, they're like, oh, I want
Speaker 1: to say the S words so bad, but I'm not
Speaker 1: going to. Oh crap, nobody else here really does this,
Speaker 1: and and now we're just trying to piece it together
Speaker 1: as we go, and not even with the guy that
Speaker 1: played center in college when there are two on the
Speaker 1: team that did that well. But McGovern did this for
Speaker 1: a year and Farniac's done it in spot rolls and
Speaker 1: they were like, no, Connor, Connor Williams is not a
Speaker 1: is a backup center some a player that I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say fairly easy, but that someone that you
Speaker 1: think you might be able to get once the rosters
Speaker 1: are cut. I oh that I don't know the answer to. Here.
Speaker 1: Here's another part of it too, that everyone keeps saying, well,
Speaker 1: if he can be your backup center, it saves your
Speaker 1: roster spot and all that game day roster spot. Well,
Speaker 1: unless they've changed it back, I thought the rules were
Speaker 1: now you have to have eight guys active anyways on
Speaker 1: the line, you have to have eight linemen. So having
Speaker 1: this guy that ain't gonna do a lot, I think that, like,
Speaker 1: you're both right, I think now looking at it, I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought Tyler bottish Um helped himself by not doing anything.
Speaker 1: I think Connor just but I do think you cannot
Speaker 1: convince me that if Connor Williams would have gone out there,
Speaker 1: grated out well, no issues with snaps and all that.
Speaker 1: You can't tell me that they're not thinking, you know what,
Speaker 1: he may be our center and maybe McGovern needs to
Speaker 1: play left guard. I still think that they're trying to
Speaker 1: figure it all out because I think I don't care
Speaker 1: who's taking the snaps at quarterback. Be honest. Needs work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's it. That's don't get me wrong, work. Don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong. It is weird. It's very weird. But again,
Speaker 1: going back to my mediocre career as a student, it
Speaker 1: reminds me of like the night before the project is due,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, I could have been so much
Speaker 1: this could have been so much better if i'd started
Speaker 1: two weeks ago instead of tonight. I have absolute faith
Speaker 1: that Connor Williams could become a solid center in time.
Speaker 1: Why did they wait until July twenty fifth? Like, why
Speaker 1: why wasn't he doing this all through the spring? Why
Speaker 1: didn't Why would? I mean, I don't understand. It's gonna
Speaker 1: piss you off. He comes back next year on another
Speaker 1: team and he's or starting center. I can say it,
Speaker 1: but it certainly will be curious, like you definitely will
Speaker 1: look at it and say what happened here? Like like
Speaker 1: miss it? Like does anyone like seeing Beasley on the
Speaker 1: top one hundred lists, Like even though that's on it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was on it. I mean nineties something. He had
Speaker 1: a really good year last year. Don't better than tyrants
Speaker 1: math and that kind of No, No, I mean the orders.
Speaker 1: But um, I don't even know what I was saying
Speaker 1: about about Connor Williams. I don't, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: lost my train of thought. You said something. What were
Speaker 1: you saying about? I just don't understand why they waited
Speaker 1: until training camp to start this. Like I didn't see
Speaker 1: Connor do this. He did do he did do quarterback
Speaker 1: school during OTAs, which is twenty minutes with the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: but like he never played center in a team setting
Speaker 1: in the spring, and that was eight practices, which how
Speaker 1: many did they have out there? Thirteen? So I asked
Speaker 1: you do the math? After the game, I did ask them,
Speaker 1: you know, what is what's going on? Kenny? You're like,
Speaker 1: this is this? Maybe you just compete for a starting
Speaker 1: job because like, I'll do whatever they ask me to do.
Speaker 1: But from what I've been told, this is just for emergencies,
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be a hell of an emergency. Well
Speaker 1: again that maybe that's a good sign that they feel
Speaker 1: great about where Tyler beotist is that he doesn't need
Speaker 1: those reps. Like, maybe that's what it is. Who knows, um,
Speaker 1: I don't, I can't. I'm not in the meeting rooms.
Speaker 1: But but it just seems a little weird to me
Speaker 1: that a guy that's in his second year doesn't need
Speaker 1: more snaps in the preseason to get himself ready. I
Speaker 1: think it's maybe it's a case of priorities, right, Like
Speaker 1: Tyler does need work, but Tyler's played center for a
Speaker 1: long time, won the Rimington Trophy in college. What your
Speaker 1: expectation is that he's going to be the start and
Speaker 1: hopefully play sixteen games. I would think that's the priority.
Speaker 1: The backup becomes the second priority. I if you feel
Speaker 1: seventy five percent sure about your starter and twenty percent
Speaker 1: sure about your backup at a job, the only other
Speaker 1: job in football where you hold the football every snap,
Speaker 1: I see the logic. I'm not it's weird. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's not weird, but I'm trying to but piece
Speaker 1: that together. Like, but Connor needs the work way more
Speaker 1: than Tyler, even though Tyler also needs work. But they
Speaker 1: could have done both, because what Connor needs is he
Speaker 1: needs to snap the football back to someone. It doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter who he's playing again the fourth quarter, third quarter.
Speaker 1: But you also don't want to put your starting left
Speaker 1: guard out there in the fourth quarter of a game
Speaker 1: against scrubs that are trying to make part of the
Speaker 1: whole thing. When you're starting left guard is also your
Speaker 1: backup center. He's gonna have to because he's got to
Speaker 1: get those reps because you want the first team guy
Speaker 1: to get the first team reps. Are we give him
Speaker 1: McGovern a pass that he's a third round pick and
Speaker 1: he really hasn't done anything and he's not factoring in
Speaker 1: as a starter, and he's he's and they're they're thinking,
Speaker 1: so this one, you don't think he's factoring as a star. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, he isn't. He isn't starting. You know, Brandon
Speaker 1: Knight gets some work in there too at guard, and
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're trying to figure figure this whole
Speaker 1: thing out. I mean, I just I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought with a second round grade and the third
Speaker 1: by they drafted him in the third round. I thought
Speaker 1: at some point he would be a guy that would
Speaker 1: just kind of be starting. I will give him the
Speaker 1: credit of pointing out that he did come in and
Speaker 1: play the last six weeks of last season and was
Speaker 1: pretty good, pretty good, wasn't awful, like so he's done
Speaker 1: more than nothing. And maybe maybe that's what they're trying
Speaker 1: to do, Like deep down, maybe they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: let's try him at center, Connor Williams at center, and
Speaker 1: McGovern will be there. So they're trying to get their
Speaker 1: better their five best guys. But I don't think I
Speaker 1: will say, I think you can do it the way
Speaker 1: that they build the McGovern pick when it happened as
Speaker 1: this blinking red light that nobody could ignore. And it
Speaker 1: hasn't lived up to that level of the hype, that's
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, I think they what what they're probably
Speaker 1: or at least what the signs look like to me,
Speaker 1: is maybe they think McGovern is a better guard than
Speaker 1: Tyler Beyottish is a center. The problem is they can't
Speaker 1: get Connor to be a better center, which blows up
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Maybe they should have started working him
Speaker 1: at center before three weeks ago, and I asked you
Speaker 1: guys this, and during the break, I wonder if I mean,
Speaker 1: I wonder how he played because it's really easy to
Speaker 1: see bats snap, bats snap, and I go, well, he
Speaker 1: was awful, because that is very problematic. But part of
Speaker 1: the he is he is he picking up the blitz?
Speaker 1: Is he understanding things? Is he recognizing, you know, the
Speaker 1: the alignments and all that stuff, and is he does
Speaker 1: he do, you know, snap it into a nice NFL
Speaker 1: game pass? Maybe help us out with that, right, not
Speaker 1: trying to grade TV copy. If you catch my drift?
Speaker 1: Well he said, he said, I said, so what happened
Speaker 1: on the second one? The one that you know went
Speaker 1: to the ground first, and he was like, uh, it
Speaker 1: hit my cheek. They basically snapped it into his ass.
Speaker 1: I mean that's basically what happened. And that's the play
Speaker 1: that I thought Garrett Gilbert did it. I mean he
Speaker 1: jumped on it and said all right, once touched me,
Speaker 1: he rolls and gets up and throws. If he would
Speaker 1: have made that play, I mean, if he would have
Speaker 1: thing like it's got to be to make that adjustment
Speaker 1: for like any of the offensive line spots are hard.
Speaker 1: But then I mean getting the snap off and having
Speaker 1: it be accurate and going where it's supposed to go
Speaker 1: in that as you do it, some three hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty pound mofo is gonna crash right into your face.
Speaker 1: I mean that sounds really difficult, you know. I'll say
Speaker 1: this about McCarthy. I like the way he calls or
Speaker 1: they call games and whether it be kelling, but I
Speaker 1: like the way he manages these preseason games. He's not
Speaker 1: trying to see the punt team go out and see
Speaker 1: if the punter can get the ball to the ten
Speaker 1: on fourth and nine and punt it like you normally
Speaker 1: would like. He's we're going for it fourth and twelve.
Speaker 1: We're going for it. We're gonna try. I mean, I'd
Speaker 1: rather see this than just manage the game. You pick
Speaker 1: up fourth and twelve. We need to pour and and
Speaker 1: I think that goes to a guy that's that's coached
Speaker 1: for twelve years. He can turn it on, turn it off.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to practice. This is how you do things,
Speaker 1: that's what the chart says to do and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Now we're just gonna play. I want my guys to
Speaker 1: go out there and try to convert. I always say
Speaker 1: I think coaches make way too many decisions based on
Speaker 1: like how defensible it'll be later, you know, like am
Speaker 1: I going to get killed for doing this? Or should
Speaker 1: I just do the smart football thing that people have
Speaker 1: done for decades. I worry about that less with McCarthy,
Speaker 1: and that's not always going to work, and that's fine,
Speaker 1: but I appreciate that he doesn't seem that worried about it.
Speaker 1: There was a play that I liked that it probably
Speaker 1: would be overlooked, I think by many, but I'm always
Speaker 1: one of my pet peeves is this when the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator just plays at play to play and doesn't think about,
Speaker 1: you know, two or three plays ahead. And when they
Speaker 1: scored the touchdown, it was third and six from like
Speaker 1: the nine, and they ran to draw up the middle
Speaker 1: to Knox, I think Brennan Knox, and he got a
Speaker 1: first down all the way to the one. But you're
Speaker 1: not expecting a first down. You're expecting three yards, four
Speaker 1: yards whatever. But it could open up what, you know,
Speaker 1: what they do on fourth down. I really like that call.
Speaker 1: That showed me Kellen was thinking two plays ahead now
Speaker 1: and if you get the first even better, And they did,
Speaker 1: and they order all that stuff but that's that's what
Speaker 1: I want to see out of your offensive coordinators go
Speaker 1: down there and say, all right, what are we doing here?
Speaker 1: It's just four down and it clearly was four down
Speaker 1: territory for them, so they knew that. So, um, that
Speaker 1: was nice to see a touchdown, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: for once this season, we've spent most of the show
Speaker 1: talking about the offense. Real quick, I want to give
Speaker 1: each you guys an opportunity to give me one defensive
Speaker 1: player from the game that stood out to you. I'll
Speaker 1: start first, Oh, Dave's got it? Israel mukuamu or you're
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna I'll give you your bril. It's not
Speaker 1: who you were gonna take. He's played great. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is great. Go ahead, though, I want to hear
Speaker 1: what Israel? I just I'm really impressed by him. I
Speaker 1: was talking about this on Twitter, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: he played cornerback in college. It's the joke we always reference.
Speaker 1: He's like, you're gonna get the best corner in the draft. Oops,
Speaker 1: no you're not. That's not your position. Um, And he
Speaker 1: played some safety in college, but like it's not his
Speaker 1: primary position. He makes the move, he is physical, you know,
Speaker 1: he made a great tackle um of the you know,
Speaker 1: running back in the flat to stop him on a
Speaker 1: third down. Um. He seems like he's got great instincts,
Speaker 1: Like he's in position he's you know, at at practice
Speaker 1: in Oxnard, like he's he's jumping in front of passes,
Speaker 1: he's reading routes. I'm sure it's not perfect, obviously, but
Speaker 1: he flashes and he's a willing tackler. Like I said,
Speaker 1: it seems like he knows where he's supposed to be.
Speaker 1: He's not quite on that Micah Parsons level, obviously, because
Speaker 1: he's not a top ten pick, but he seems like
Speaker 1: he's he's where the ball is and that's a good thing. Um.
Speaker 1: And it's just it's fascinating to me because it's it's
Speaker 1: gonna be tricky to find a place for him to
Speaker 1: be blunt about it, because you got you know, I
Speaker 1: would assume Kasey and Hooker are both gonna make the team.
Speaker 1: Dono's gonna make the team, um um. And then well
Speaker 1: and then well you've got jarn Curse and darry and
Speaker 1: Thompson who I like. I Darien didn't play well at safety,
Speaker 1: but that's not the point. It's the eternal battle between
Speaker 1: the special team's coach who wants and Darien Thompson is
Speaker 1: one of the two or three best special teamers on
Speaker 1: this team. Jayron Curse has a special team's reputation as well.
Speaker 1: So now it's you know, the front office probably favors
Speaker 1: the draft pick and the coaching staff probably favors these
Speaker 1: veterans who were versatile, and that's an interesting that's an
Speaker 1: interesting conversation. But Israel mcquamu is doing everything he can
Speaker 1: to make them want to side with him, in my opinion, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Steve and Jones he didn't he wasn't going
Speaker 1: to pronounce his name, but he did say it to
Speaker 1: me the other day on an interview that he that
Speaker 1: he really liked what what Israel is doing out there
Speaker 1: and just loves the matchup. Um that he can do
Speaker 1: covering tight ends. Um My, I have a couple. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think Dorin's armstrong is I mean, he is a phenomenal.
Speaker 1: He's been outstanding and we all can see that. Um.
Speaker 1: And then I lost my other guy. I think I
Speaker 1: gotta stole this point from Dave at one point during
Speaker 1: a show, But we did talk about once the pads
Speaker 1: come on, and once we start playing games, you're going
Speaker 1: to see how physical Keyan O'Neill is. We're not seeing
Speaker 1: it as much early in practice, but once you really
Speaker 1: start getting the type of play that he's used to,
Speaker 1: he's going to start to show out more. And I
Speaker 1: think that he's doing that. I think not only did
Speaker 1: he did he force a fumble, he had a really
Speaker 1: nice stop on third down short of the game, short
Speaker 1: of the line of scrimmage. You know, he did it
Speaker 1: at the end of camp two with a pick like that.
Speaker 1: I think he's finding his role in the nickel and
Speaker 1: and I still think it would be a vanilla defense
Speaker 1: of what dan Quinn's gonna really how they're going to
Speaker 1: utilize him because he's never played him as linebacker before,
Speaker 1: so it'll be interesting to see. I think though, he's
Speaker 1: starting to kind of come on here, and so that's
Speaker 1: a good thing. I'll throw this out there too, because
Speaker 1: we mentioned Jabril Cox, which he looks really good obviously,
Speaker 1: Like you know, he's getting the opportunity in games, he's
Speaker 1: making the most of it. He's led the team in
Speaker 1: tackles both preseason games. I care a lot less about
Speaker 1: the plays that he makes on defense. He made it
Speaker 1: nice tackle on a kickoff return that it might not
Speaker 1: have saved a touchdown, but I think the guy got
Speaker 1: to the thirty five. He was going across midfield for sure,
Speaker 1: and Cox just knifed into his lane and brought him down.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what I care about, because he could
Speaker 1: be the biggest steal in the entire draft. He's still not.
Speaker 1: He's not getting on the field on defense unless something
Speaker 1: terrible happens. I mean, there's just too many bodies in
Speaker 1: front of him. And when you guys talk about earlier,
Speaker 1: you're talking about those big bodies that are now out injured.
Speaker 1: Guy like him becoming very very more because he's a
Speaker 1: big body that can special teams for him. And like
Speaker 1: before I started doing this job, that is that's that's
Speaker 1: what you need to look for. Like, if I'm talking
Speaker 1: to somebody who's trying to analyze these preseason games, a
Speaker 1: guy like Jabril Cox showing that he can make plays
Speaker 1: like that on special teams is huge. Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's gonna make the team regardless, but you see him
Speaker 1: doing stuff like that, now you're like, Okay, this guy
Speaker 1: can get a jersey on game day. He can do this,
Speaker 1: that and the other. So that was really enaging and
Speaker 1: his answer about it when when he was asked about,
Speaker 1: you know, playing special teams, he was like, that's that's
Speaker 1: what I need to own that part of the game.
Speaker 1: That's all that is is. You know, this doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like a rookie. He said, special teams is a one
Speaker 1: on one battle. There's one guy that's gonna block me.
Speaker 1: If I can beat him, i can go make the play.
Speaker 1: And it's like I'm not gonna not gonna be blocked
Speaker 1: and he's You're starting to see that and that's a
Speaker 1: great mentality, especially for a guy that was at North
Speaker 1: Dakota State. He probably wasn't playing a lot of special
Speaker 1: teams there and when he went to LSU a daddy
Speaker 1: was playing a ton But he comes here and understands
Speaker 1: that role and embraces it and really kind of relat
Speaker 1: that's how he makes the team and that Dave said,
Speaker 1: that's how you get on the field for game day.
Speaker 1: It's super encouraging too, because we, I mean, okay, he's
Speaker 1: behind Micah Layton, Jalen and Kean O'Neil, Like where are
Speaker 1: the defensive snaps coming from? And so you know, I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people and honestly, I was kind
Speaker 1: of discouraged myself first two weeks of practice, like this
Speaker 1: guy hasn't done anything. What's going on? But what do
Speaker 1: you do with your opportunity? He gets him in these
Speaker 1: games and he's I mean, he's putting good looking tape
Speaker 1: out there in my opinion, which is that's really fun
Speaker 1: for him for a guy that you know, there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities in practice. That's a route. We
Speaker 1: will be back on Wednesday, and make sure you come
Speaker 1: out tonight if you're in town to a Cowboys Night
Speaker 1: here at Ford Center at the Star and if not,
Speaker 1: to make sure you check it out online. We'll have
Speaker 1: streaming on all of our different platforms. Still in for
Speaker 1: Nick Eatman, Dave helm and I'm Derek Eagleton. This has
Speaker 1: been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.
Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.