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Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome back to another new episode of

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Speaker 1: You Need Therapy Podcast. My name is Kat and I'm

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Speaker 1: your host. I'm so glad you're here. Before we get started,

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Speaker 1: quick reminder that although I'm a therapist and this is

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Speaker 1: a podcast dedicated to mental health, this does not serve

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Speaker 1: as a substitute or attempt to be a substitute for

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Speaker 1: therapy itself. How well burr it may help. It may

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Speaker 1: help you in regards to your mental health and hopefully

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Speaker 1: today as we're talking about pleasure, your satisfaction with your life,

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Speaker 1: and it also might help get you into therapy if

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Speaker 1: it's something that you haven't tried before. Now. I know

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Speaker 1: this podcast usually deals with some heavy stuff, some serious stuff,

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Speaker 1: but what I know to be true is that it

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Speaker 1: is important to have balance in our lives. And that's

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Speaker 1: actually part of the description of this podcast. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about tough stuff and learning how to enjoy through it all.

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Speaker 1: Things can't be serious all of the time. We don't

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Speaker 1: need to be working on ourselves seven or always trying

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Speaker 1: to figure things out, always try to better ourselves. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's okay to just recharge, and I've learned that it's

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Speaker 1: actually necessary to just enjoy life for the sake of

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Speaker 1: enjoying life sometimes and just feel good. And feeling good

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Speaker 1: isn't bad. I don't know who needs to hear that.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of my annoyance with people talking about

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Speaker 1: how busy they are or how hard and how much

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Speaker 1: they work. And I did an episode on this a

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Speaker 1: working seven we need to enjoy ourselves. Also, I need

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Speaker 1: to mention that feeling good is not something you have

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Speaker 1: to earn. We confuse this sometimes because of the reward

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Speaker 1: systems that our world revolves around, which aren't all bad.

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Speaker 1: They're helpful at times. But pleasure is necessary for a

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Speaker 1: full life, and you don't have to earn a full life.

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Speaker 1: We are allowed to attempt to attain it, regardless of

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Speaker 1: who we are, what we've done. So why why am

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Speaker 1: I talking about this? Glad I start out with this

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Speaker 1: little soapbox. Well, because last week Amy, my friend Amy

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Speaker 1: also whose podcast network I'm on, Hello, sent me this

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Speaker 1: about it. He writes, take your pleasure seriously. If you've

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Speaker 1: only had gas station sushi, you probably won't crave it much.

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Speaker 1: If sex has only felt like an obligation, you won't

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Speaker 1: know what it feels to be naturally high. If you've

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Speaker 1: it means to be one with a machine. If you

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Speaker 1: may feel that life is cold soup. Without pleasure threaded

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Speaker 1: into your life, work will taste bland. What if you

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Speaker 1: love work, wonderful, but you must also take in play

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Speaker 1: for life to shine. And that's play must be taken

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Speaker 1: seriously in order to know how much you've needed it.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times we don't know how much we've

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Speaker 1: Most of us do not love our work. As a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, most of us dread it. So while

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Speaker 1: we're searching for passion and purpose, stretching our bright spots

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Speaker 1: maybe the only reminder that there is more to life

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Speaker 1: than living it. Pleasure doesn't just fall in our lap.

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Speaker 1: We must seek it, create it, and lean backwards into

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Speaker 1: relationship with your life will be on thin ice. Your

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Speaker 1: world will be small, your thoughts will be narrow. There's

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Speaker 1: more to life than money or the ability to make money.

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Speaker 1: There's more to life than finding love. There is more

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Speaker 1: than finding your purpose. A complete life also means to

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Speaker 1: experience pleasure. For many, it's to cult to accept this.

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Speaker 1: Pleasure is aligned with guilt or feelings of undeserving. This

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Speaker 1: We end up chasing things that don't matter. We eat

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Speaker 1: in his caption, he wrote, how are you threatening pleasure

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Speaker 1: It's so true. We often spend so much time working

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Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, you ever think

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Speaker 1: valuable and necessary to have goals and to do good things,

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Speaker 1: and I'm putting out there that it's just as important

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Speaker 1: Have you are to write down a list of things

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Speaker 1: you to think about, like what would be on that list.

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Speaker 1: and all, like you know, that like satisfying experience. But

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Speaker 1: What does a life well lived mean? And why are

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Speaker 1: read some of us strive for a virtuous life, others

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Speaker 1: is an ancient one. A balanced approach to happiness in

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Speaker 1: life is best. In as essay the Natural History of Intellect,

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Speaker 1: what's this definition that will be helpful. Well, Pleasure was

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Speaker 1: defined as a feeling of happy, satisfaction, enjoyment, and happy

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Speaker 1: you're gonna need pleasure. Also side note, but also this

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Speaker 1: not what creates it. It alone is not pleasure itself.

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Speaker 1: Very often we do not get to choose our circumstances.

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Speaker 1: got to talk to Donald Miller, who was an author

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Speaker 1: It was so good. Donald gave us so much to

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday and don't forget. If you haven't reviewed, or

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Speaker 1: to do that. You can now rate on Spotify. If

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Speaker 1: on Spotify, you can now so hit me with those

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Speaker 1: five stars. Thank you, and talk to you on Wednesday. Bye, guys,