WEBVTT - Ahoy, Pirate Bay Part 2 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.240 Get in touch with technology with tech stuff from how 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:15.440 stuff dot com. Ahi Their meta is welcome to tech Stuff. 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:18.360 I'm Jonathan Strickland and I'm Lauren voc Obam. Now we're 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:21.440 going to do part two of our episodes about the 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:26.360 Pirate Day now in case you needed quick refresher previously 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:30.120 on tech stuff. So the part of the torrent tracking 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:35.520 site gets in Sweden, gets some big attention, gets really big, 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:39.480 not just in Scandinavia but outside Scandinavia. And then that's 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:43.440 when music industry and movie industry take notice and say 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:46.960 let's stop that thing, you know, and say let's stop 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:49.640 that thing you to the tune of thirteen million dollars 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.720 in damages right now, getting over into two thousand nine, 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:58.240 that's when things really start getting serious. It goes beyond 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:03.280 this are double a lawsuit and becomes a massive crackdown. 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:07.360 Swedish prosecutors take to court the three co founders of 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:10.039 the Pirate Bay. Actually let me let me let me 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:12.120 scroll on up so I can say their names properly, 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:17.160 so that the three co founders are Patersonda uh Friedrich 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:21.240 Nay and got Freed svat Holm Vari. So they take 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.199 those three to court and they also add a fourth 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:28.360 person as fellow who actually had provided funding for the 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:33.080 Pirate Bay, which often would solicit donations from users to 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.440 continue the site. Uh So that would be able to 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.040 continue operating because they were running a whole bunch of servers, 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:42.000 which is expensive, right, But the financial guy who was 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:47.040 named in the lawsuit was Carl Lunstrom. Lunstrom also would 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:49.480 end up getting a lot of it. There'd be a 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:51.680 lot of attention directed towards the Pirate Bay because of 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:56.360 Lunstrom's political leanings. Lundstrom had a history of supporting some 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:01.320 very far right um political part nationals Swedish nationalist parties 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:06.120 like keep Sweden Swedish type stuff, so very very firm 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:10.959 and harsh views for any non Swedish person moving into 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:14.840 the nation and um so anyway, that then also added 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:19.200 fuel to the fire for the the criticism towards the 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:23.480 Pirate Bay. Although the other founders of the Pirate Base said, 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.400 you know, uh, we were just looking at money, We're not. 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.760 Our philosophy has always been about file sharing, not about 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:35.080 you know, this this other type of policy. Um anyway, 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.400 they were all lumped in with this this lawsuit. So 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:41.079 in April two thousand nine, they were all found guilty 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:45.079 of assisting copyright infringement, and each was sentenced to a 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:49.000 year in jail, and each received finds totaling around three 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.280 point six million dollars depending upon whom you ask, because 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:54.320 it was of course not in dollars, was in coronin 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:57.239 I believe, and then you have to convert it and 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:00.720 adjust for inflation, so it gets tricky. But by the 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.880 end of two thousand nine, the bit torrent tracker at 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.400 the Pirate Bay went offline, and it made the Pirate 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.639 Bay just a Torrent indexing site. So this meant that 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.480 it was kind of like a just a giant database 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:17.600 of torrents. It wasn't um the tracker part, the bit 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:21.200 Torrent tracker part was no longer active, right, and they 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.400 decided to take it down because there was legal president 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:25.720 not only in this court case, that hosting a tracker 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.079 server for a torrent can can make you legally culpable 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:35.920 for helping people share illegal, illegally copied material um and 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.760 and shutting it down was made possible by um by 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.920 by by new tech that was actually really cool in 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:45.320 a you know, kind of using for illegal purposes sort 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:48.440 of way. UM It's called pure linking software and what 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:53.280 it does instead of using the tracker to querry. You know, 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.520 a tracker is a central server that the software that 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.400 you run on your computer queries to find out where 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.640 the little bits of every file that you want are located. 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:06.000 Right this peer linking software queries through the swarm, through UM, 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.280 through all of the computers that are that are hosting 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.680 that that are personally using gotcha. So it's taking that 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.920 that central server apart kind of all the equation when 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:17.640 it comes to actually locating these files, these bits of 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.359 files that you need for to make your full file 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:24.160 whatever it is. UM. Yeah, it kind of ends up 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:29.760 distributing the blame a little. Uh. And in June of 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.880 two thousand nine, story broke that a company called Global 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.840 Gaming Factory X was going to buy the Pirate Bay 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.919 for seven point eight billion dollars, with the goal of 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.119 actually turning it into a legitimate legal site where people 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.800 could trade files or purchase files. Um. The CEO at 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.960 Global Gaming Factory X at that time was Hans Pandaea, 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:57.360 But several weeks would go by and nothing seemed to develop. 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.280 It's kind of like the plan to buy Sea Land 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.080 from if you listen to our previous podcast, you'll hear 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.599 about these the wonderful story of the Pirate Bay trying 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:10.040 to buy trying to trying to buy a naval forming 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:15.760 former British naval platform and current sovereign state and turned 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.680 it into their own little pirate Bay country. Well, that 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.800 fell through, and this deal also seemed to kind of 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.400 just go nowhere. It just you know, it was announced 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.000 that it was a possibility, and then nothing seemed to happen. 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:33.280 So in February it became clear more at least a 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:37.200 little more clear why it never that deal never really 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:43.520 went anywhere because Global Gaming Factory collapsed, the company company 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:48.240 went under. Pandaea had actually had his own personal property 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:50.920 in the form of a motorcycle and a car, seized 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:54.120 by the government um due to the fact that he 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:57.839 was unable to make good on financial obligations of the company. 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:02.039 So the deal to buy Pirate Bay fell through, not 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:06.960 a big surprise there. In May, a German court injunction 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:12.520 took down the Pirate Bay temporarily, so like temporarily being 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:16.320 just a matter of like a day, it was. It 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:20.320 was back and operational in no time at all, and 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:24.159 at that time you also had internet service providers, arguing 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:27.800 that they had no control over the content of traffic 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.840 over their networks. So in other words, they said, we're 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:35.800 providing the pipes, but we don't provide Yeah, which is 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.480 the very people argument to on the pirate base exactly. 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:42.320 You know, they're like, hey, we give people the opportunity 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.279 to share files, but we're not telling them what to share, 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.440 and we're not telling them don't share anything. The only 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.000 thing we're telling them is make sure your label matches 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.240 whatever the file is. That's the only thing that we 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:57.160 care about. So, uh, you know, I sp s were 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:59.560 kind of giving the same argument, saying they shouldn't be 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:05.239 held responsible for the content. Yeah. So when the Pirate 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:08.200 Bay came back after the German court injunction, it was 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.320 hosted by the Swedish Pirate Party. Now this is different 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.880 than Pirot Biron, which we talked about before. That was 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:18.120 the Piracy Bureau. The Swedish Pirate Party was sort of 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:22.200 kind of a a similar political organization in Sweden, but 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:27.280 not the same people. Now, that was the first political 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.440 party that was actually called the Pirate Party, and that 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.040 that itself, the Swedish Pirate Party was founded back in 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.960 two thousand six. Central platform of the Pirate Party was 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:41.080 to give more power to individuals as opposed to governments 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.520 and companies, to use the Internet, to communicate freely and 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.640 share with one another. So so the Swedish Pirate Party 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:51.040 was the first political party actually called the pirate Party. 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:52.720 Now there are quite a few of them, but the 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.280 Swedish Pirate Party is the original one. It was founded 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:57.920 back in two thousand six, and the central platform for 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.760 the party was to give more power to the individual 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.920 as opposed to governments and corporations, to use the Internet, 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.040 to communicate freely and to share with one another. So uh. 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:11.840 It shares a lot of the same philosophy as the 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:15.840 Libertarian Party might in the United States, Um, but was 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.640 very specifically focused on Internet communication. Not you know that 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.920 that was like the primary focus at least as far 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.960 as the Pirate of it was concerned, certainly. Uh was 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:29.400 also when PAN disbanded, Yeah, they said that they did 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.800 everything they planned on doing, and they were done doing 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:36.240 the thing they planned, which you know, basically said in Swedish, 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.960 but yeah, uh, and probably much more eloquently than the 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.240 way I put it. They said that they met their 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:45.679 goals and the organization was always meant to be temporary. 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:49.840 It was never meant to be, you know, to last indefinitely. Also, 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.760 one of the original um co founders of the organization 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.719 had passed away that year, eb Kopimi Botani. He had 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:01.040 passed away. And uh, that that really I think what 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.720 led to the group dissolving. You know. It's I've seen 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.240 this happen with other organizations where someone even even if 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:12.000 the person is not technically the leader of the organization, 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.520 often they could be the glue that holds everything together, 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.960 and when they depart or they pass away, then the 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:23.880 organization really just can't hold itself as a cohesive unit anymore. 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:28.920 And in November of the Swedish appeals court shortens the 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:33.280 prison sentence of Peter Sunda from one year to eight months, 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:38.439 Friedrich ni Nai got from one year to ten months uh, 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:42.560 and financier Carl Lundstrom went from one year to four months. 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:46.360 Essentially had already served it out by then, and Gottfried 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:50.480 svart Holm Vari received a reduced sentence but missed the 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:55.840 appeals trial due to an illness. But while there their 0:09:56.000 --> 0:10:00.600 their prison sentences were reduced. The w Yeah. Uh, and 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.920 again it's this is complicated because you have to you know, 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.160 convert corona into dollars and inflation and all that. But 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.240 essentially it went from about three point six million to 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:15.080 about six point five million dollars in damages and the UH, 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.160 the appeals court essentially what they did was they listened 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:22.760 to the organization's claims about how much money they lost 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:26.760 due to piracy and just accepted it and well, then 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.200 that's how much they owe you. Whereas a lot of 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.760 again we said it before in our previous podcast, UH, 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.160 most reports that I've seen, like the actual reports that 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.160 really go into looking at how much money is lost 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.120 due to piracy, say that there's no way to actually 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.360 put a dollar amount on that because you can't you 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:49.880 can't tell who would have purchased the material legitimately if 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.480 there were no way of pirating it. So if you 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.000 if you were to remove piracy, just magically snap your 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.080 fingers and piracy is now impossible. There's no way to 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:02.200 pirate stuff you can't eat. Can't guarantee that six point 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.160 five million dollars of right, Yeah, that that that everyone 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.160 would Now some of them undoubtedly would have purchased it, 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.480 some of them would not. So that means that because 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:15.280 of this uncertainty, you can't actually say, oh, that is 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.000 worth x amount of dollars and I have the proof 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:19.680 right here and that, you know, because you can't prove 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:24.360 it um however, and the courts this is something that 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.640 it all depends upon the judge and jury. I mean 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:28.840 they you know, they're the ones who decide whether or 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.880 not the argument holds water, and in this case, they said, 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.440 you are going to pay up big time. Now. For 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:39.080 the part of the co founders of the Pirate Bay, 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.319 their general response to the findes was similar to something 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:44.079 I did in the first episode. I'm not going to 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:46.960 do again because Lauren and Noel will kill me. But 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:51.360 essentially they said, ha ha, we won't pay. Yeah. Yeah, 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:55.000 they're they were like, that's cute. Yeah, good luck getting 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:58.640 your cash, suckers. Uh. Yeah. The their attitude has not 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.400 changed at all from the point when they founded the 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:05.559 site to current day where they still owe money. But 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:07.360 they said, you know, none of them has paid any 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:11.440 of it. Yeah, that's essentially the response of some of 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.240 them have served out their court their court mandated terms. 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.280 But yeah yeah, And we'll get into kind of you know, 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.280 catching up with the founders at the end of this episode. 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.360 So for right now, I know this is going really quickly. Guys, 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.200 you're thinking, what show am I listening to? Because this 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.600 is going really fast. But it's because you know, we're 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.080 wrapping up on the Pirate Bay before we get into 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.280 the second half and really talk about what's going on, 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.600 you know, over the last couple of years. Let's take 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.839 a quick moment to thank our sponsored Okay, and now 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.720 we're back, so let's talk about, you know, more recent 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:46.599 occurrences with the Pirate Bay. What's been going on? Um, 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:50.280 Like what happened in two thousand twelve, they actually decided 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.800 for some of their most popular content, and then later 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.440 on they applied that to everything, to us stop offering 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.560 torrent files? What's up with that? So? So okay, so 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.000 so January was when they promised that they were going 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.080 to remove all torrent files from their site in favor 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.280 of of what's called magnet links. And um, now, if 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.800 you remember from a previous episode on torrents um dot, 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.199 torrent files run on your computer and calculate what bits 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.000 of files you'll need to complete the media file that 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:21.160 you want. Yeah, it's it's essentially meta data. It's information 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.920 about the file that you actually want. So at torrent 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.720 file does not like if you were wanted to torrent 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:31.080 Britney Spears latest album because that that La La song 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.560 or whatever she does is just awesome and you want it. 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.319 By the way, I actually do like that song because 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.280 it sounds like J pop beside the point. So let's 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:39.880 say that you want that and you can't stand the 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.720 thought of paying for it. The torrent file that you 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:45.600 get for that doesn't actually have any of the la 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.480 las There's none of that. It just sends a hash 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:51.280 of requests to a server, right which then judge you. 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.400 But then you give you the files that you have. Um. Now, 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.559 now a magnet link contains all of that calculation data 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.360 in the link itself, so the processing happens on server 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:04.199 instead of on your computer. Um. You do still need 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.760 to create a dot torrent for for for a new 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:10.280 piece of media that you are uploading to um to 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.880 the ent our webs but um but but basically it 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.720 you know, saved a lot of resources, made the pirate 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.280 bay site much smaller, like to the point that it 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.520 can be carried on a thumb drive. Right, So by 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:27.200 making it much smaller that that increased the likelihood that 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.720 they would be able to return the Pirate Bay to 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.520 full working order should something else happen to it, like 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.280 a government shuts down more servers. So this was another 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.080 attempt not only to just make the site run more smoothly, 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.880 but to ensure that there would be other ways of 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:46.280 preserving the site should something happen to it. And the 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:50.560 message being sent out to content creators is this isn't 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:54.040 going away. This is part of reality. Now, this is 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.520 this is part of the landscape. You can try and 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.160 take it down, but every time you try and take 0:14:58.200 --> 0:14:59.680 it down, it's just going to come up again. The 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.280 most gonna do is have us offline for maybe a 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.600 couple of days, you know, a week on the outside, 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:10.120 but we will eventually find you can't stop us. Um. Yeah, 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:16.840 which gets pretty rough. Meanwhile, February, Sweden Supreme Court declined 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.440 to hear an appeal from the founders. Yeah, which was 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.040 a big deal, right. This was this was essentially saying 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.600 that the court finding of the their guilt was going 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.520 to stand and that's pretty much and then there's there's 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.240 nowhere else to go at that point, so the founders 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.600 are stuck with the the prison sentences and the fines, 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.000 which they still said they would not pay. Right. At 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:42.280 that point, um, the trials were officially over and um 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.240 they were the Pirate Bay was was afraid that, um 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:49.160 they were still currently at that time on United States 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.880 dot org yeah domains right. Yeah, they they their domain 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.400 name was the Pirate Bay dot org, right, which was 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.360 that made them a little nervous. Well, they were afraid 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.640 that since that trial was over, that the US was 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:05.320 going to um seize that domain, right, so they decided 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:10.080 to avoid future litigation, and so so they redirected to 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:15.480 a dot e domain dot dot domain. They did that. 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:19.520 They do that a lot. We're really going to be 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:23.960 talking about some of the whack a mole type of approach. Yeah, 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.680 and again, in an attempt to really find a home 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:30.440 that will one house them and and to not bow 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:35.200 to pressure from companies and organizations and governments, we started 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.680 to do a lot of a lot of very admirably 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:42.440 clever things, um and admirable you know, you know, kind 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:46.200 of in that scoundrel way. It's really it's fascinating. They 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:50.280 definitely have dedication, will say. That was also when the 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.080 United Kingdom High Courts said that all I s p 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.720 s in the United Kingdom were to block access to 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.240 the pirate bay. Now that would um, that would matter 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:01.360 if the and it didn't work the way it does, 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.160 and that you couldn't find proxy servers that would allow 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.919 you to get around UH international bands like that, because 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.280 that's the thing is that, you know, using something like 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.600 a proxy server, you could log into a proxy server 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.760 which isn't blocked by the the I s p s 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.960 and then as the proxy server end up accessing the 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.040 stuff that you wanted to access in the first place. 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.000 And because the traffic is making a hop there, it 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.639 might mean that the whole process takes longer than it 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:35.520 normally would. But yeah, anyone who is really determined to 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:39.800 use these services usually is also willing to take the 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.080 extra steps it would require to enough to know about 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.639 them and capable of these Although we'll talk more about 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:51.439 some interesting developments in just piracy in general UM that 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:55.440 have happened since uh since this So this was also 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.800 when UM they were starting to talk about changing not 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.960 only the fact about the magnet links, but also kind 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:06.680 of abandoning the server approach entirely. Right, So okay, So 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.879 so in October a broken power distribution unit led to 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.200 almost forty eight hours of downtime and that was more 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.320 downtime that they had had since that raid in two 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:18.320 thousand six, the police raid that that literally took their 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.920 servers UM, which lasted for three days. Which lasted for 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.480 three days, right UM. And this this happened to coincide 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:28.160 with the police raid on a former hosting company in Sweden. 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.800 So with this coincidental pair of events, you have the 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.680 power going out, which leads to the site going down, 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.240 and you have this raid. It led a lot of 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.160 people to jump to the conclusion that the police had 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.640 taken down the Pirate Bay again, which really, according to 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.000 what we've read, is not the case. It's just one 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.000 of those crazy coincidence. It was just a thing that 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:52.000 happened to happen at the same time. But but after that, 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.440 they decided that this entire physical media thing was kind 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.199 of for the birds, and UM as of October se 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.439 stided to move most of their services to the cloud. 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.640 UM as of January they were running on seventeen virtual machines. 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.119 And what what this means is that, you know, instead 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:14.080 of having UM physical servers, they've got virtual servers. The 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.080 only physical equipment that UM that the Pirate Bay still 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.520 maintains is UM a load balancer, which is a RAM 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:24.639 based server through which all of the communication with users goes, 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:30.280 and then some transit routers and so so this this 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:34.600 keeps both the cloud providers and the site's users private. 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.840 The cloud providers that you know, the hosters don't know 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.560 what they're hosting, and um and all of these things 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:46.199 are in different countries. Plausible deniability. That's what it boils 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.800 down to. Yeah, it's actually funny. There's a there's a 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.680 great I have to read this because and I did 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.160 it before, and I'm going to go even more dramatic 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:59.200 in the actual tech stuff reading. Winston Brahma spoke for 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.640 the Pirate Bay. This was Winston Brahma's kind of explanation. 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:07.200 If there is data, there is the Pirate Bay. Our 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:11.399 data flows around in thousands of clouds and deeply encrypted forms, 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:14.879 ready to be used when necessary. Earth Bound nodes that 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.920 transform the data are as deeply encrypted and reboot into 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:21.639 a deadlock if not used for eight hours. All attempts 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.280 to attack the Pirate Bay from now on is an 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:28.960 attack on everything and nothing. The site that you're at 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:31.560 will still be here for as long as we wanted to, 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:35.720 only in a higher form of being a reality to us, 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:41.560 a ghost to those who wish to harm us. Basically, Uh, 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:44.600 it's you know, Neo and the matrix. I think that 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.159 is what that is. It's we'll take the take the 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:51.760 blue pill. Yeah, so, um, I mean melodrama and the 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:54.520 Pirate Bay are two things that have gone hand in 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.640 hand more than once. Yes, but but now, I mean, 0:20:57.680 --> 0:20:59.960 you know, it's it's true that that if the police 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.720 decided to to raid them, they would find a router 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:06.679 or or or of a load balancer. And if they 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.440 did take those, all you can get is encrypted disk images, 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:12.840 and if the virtual servers have been out of communication 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:14.800 with the load balancer for more than eight hours, they 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:19.159 shut down and require encryption passwords upon rebooting. Right, So yeah, 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:22.520 if you take something, it's it's useless to you. And 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:24.640 also it's only a matter and it's only a matter 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.240 of time before someone has activated it again from some 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:30.320 other location. Yes. So again, it's another one of those 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:34.680 messages saying you know, um, we understand you're gonna take 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:38.040 stuff down. We're telling you it won't matter. So if 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:40.919 you want to keep spending the time and resources it 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:43.439 takes to take stuff down, go right ahead. But it 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:46.920 doesn't matter, but we don't care. Yeah, um, so move 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:49.760 that moves us up to which, for those of you 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:52.440 who are listening shortly after we recorded that is this year. 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:56.000 If you're listening to this episode from some time in 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:59.440 the future, send me a jet pack. So the Swedish 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.679 Pirate Party stops being the host of the Pirate Bay. 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:05.480 You know, they had taken over back after the the 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:08.200 Pirate Bay had been taken down. They were the ones 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:10.680 who were able to host it and bring it back up. Well, 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:13.119 they took it. They decided to to kind of in 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:17.480 that relationship after they received threats from the Rights Alliance, 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:21.040 which is an anti piracy organization in Sweden. At that point, 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:24.840 the hosting transferred to the Norwegian Pirate Party and the 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:28.919 Spanish Pirate Party, both of which were organizations that the 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:32.520 Pirate Bay kind of identified as being less likely to 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:38.879 bow to uh two pressures from other organizations. Also, the 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:43.199 governments in Norway and Spain were less. It wasn't that 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:45.600 they don't care about piracy, that's just not what they 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:47.399 focus on. So they felt that there was much of 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:49.639 a legal precedent in those places, and well there's just 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:52.199 gonna be less pressure because that wasn't it wasn't a 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:55.600 priority in those in those countries. Um, they switched from 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:59.320 Swedish servers to servers in Greenland because again they were 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:02.080 just trying to vent this you know, downtime that would 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:07.800 happen if the Swedish servers were seized. But within two 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:10.200 days of moving to Greenland, the Pirate Bay lost both 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:14.560 of its dot g L domain names, so so Greenland 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:17.520