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Speaker 1: Giants two thousand nineteen opponents. Today, we're gonna turn our

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Speaker 1: So glad you could join us in for today's program.

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Speaker 1: And Tampa Bay is an intriguing team to me, Paul

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Speaker 1: as we're gonna be joined by Scott Reynolds of the

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Speaker 1: Pewter Report momentarily because Bruce arians is a brand new coach,

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Speaker 1: interesting that he would come out of retirement after walking

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Speaker 1: whether or not they move forward with Jamis Winston still remains.

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Speaker 1: We've seen and I think Arians is the guy who's

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Speaker 1: to get more into the tamp Bay Buccaneers, we are

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Speaker 1: now joined by Scott Reynolds, who covers the team for

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Speaker 1: the Pewter Report. Scott, you got Lance Meadow Paul Detino

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com Big Blue Kickoff. I've appreciate

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Speaker 1: the time today. How's everything doing? Good? Guys? How are you?

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Speaker 1: We're doing very well as we look ahead to the

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Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen seasons. Both of these teams are nearing

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Speaker 1: Scott with a big picture perspective because right before we

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Speaker 1: the squad. Since Arians has taken over, what has been

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Speaker 1: And you look at the record of the last couple

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Speaker 1: be calling for Jamis Winston, and I think between O. G.

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Speaker 1: Howard and Mike Evans and uh Chris Godwin and then

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Speaker 1: you've got under the speed guy on the outside and

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Speaker 1: for Perriman because Buccaneer office is going to pick up

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Speaker 1: where it left off last year, which was in the

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Speaker 1: top five. Yeah, I'm with you. I love Godwin, and

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Speaker 1: I think now the potential is there with Humphries moving

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Speaker 1: on to Tennessee, so you know, the sky is the

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Speaker 1: roof with potentially all of the weapons around Jamis Winston

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Speaker 1: and then of course Scott there's the running game which

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Speaker 1: has been hit or miss. I would say over the

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Speaker 1: last few seasons for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Ronald Jones,

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Speaker 1: who they drafted not too long ago, Peyton Barber. How

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Speaker 1: do you see the dynamics of the backfield playing out

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Speaker 1: this season. I'll tell you, I think it's Peyton Barber

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Speaker 1: and everybody else. I think Peyton Barber is a serviceable guy.

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Speaker 1: Um that they've had that that type of guy in

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay before. He kind of reminds me of an

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Speaker 1: Ernest Graham type, which is kind of like a jack

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Speaker 1: of all trades. If you give him the ball enough

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Speaker 1: over sixteen games, he might barely get a thousand yards

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Speaker 1: while averaging about three point five three point six yards

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Speaker 1: per kerry. He's not dynamic, He's a steady eddie and

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Speaker 1: but he can catch the ball and he's trustworthy. The

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Speaker 1: problem is is what happens if he goes down and

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Speaker 1: needs to breathe. It really isn't that that that one

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Speaker 1: two punch here in Tampa Bay the Bucks are counting

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Speaker 1: on being Ronald Jones, who was the second round draft

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Speaker 1: pick last year. He averaged less than two yards per

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Speaker 1: carry and uh it really does not have good hands Um,

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Speaker 1: it's it's really hard to imagine Ronald Jones taking the

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Speaker 1: necessary steps in training camp in the preseason to where

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Speaker 1: he can volved himself up to live up to that

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Speaker 1: draft building and just in one year. I think he's

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Speaker 1: a young guy, he just turned one. He's got a

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Speaker 1: ways to go. I think he's more of a project.

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Speaker 1: But this team is counting on him to really be

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Speaker 1: that one to punch with Peyton Barber and maybe get

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Speaker 1: five s yards rushing. I just don't see it happening,

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Speaker 1: but they're they're banking on it. It's just it's it's

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Speaker 1: kind of questioning to me. I questioned why the team

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Speaker 1: didn't draft an offensive lineman. They didn't draft a running

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Speaker 1: back either, and it was clearly a big need. Again,

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Speaker 1: they're banking on the offensive scheme and the run blocking

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Speaker 1: getting better with the better coaching, and uh, I think

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Speaker 1: I think they're asking a lot of this running back

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Speaker 1: room to do that. At the same time, I think

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Speaker 1: they're gonna pass the ball, and they're gonna pass the

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Speaker 1: ball to set up the run. So I think really

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Speaker 1: in this offense, the way it's gonna be set up

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Speaker 1: with the THEO. J. Howards and Mike Evans and Chris

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Speaker 1: Godwin's and Cam Braids and for Sharp Perriman's. I think

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Speaker 1: those are going to be the feature guys, and they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be using the running backs just to kind of

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Speaker 1: pick up some first downs here and there, but they're

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Speaker 1: going to move the ball through the air. Final question

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Speaker 1: for me, Scott and again, the Buccaneers played the Giants

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Speaker 1: on September down in Florida. In recent years, the Buccaneers

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Speaker 1: kicking situation has not been as stable as one would like,

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Speaker 1: and they used a fifth round draft pick to grab

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Speaker 1: Utah's Matt Gay this spring. Uh. Certainly, there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who would say, you know what, never

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Speaker 1: used a draft pick on a kicker. No matter what,

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Speaker 1: you can always wind up picking up a veteran or

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Speaker 1: even an undrafted rookie free agent. But they thought enough

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Speaker 1: of this guy to take him in the fifth I

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Speaker 1: would have to believe they didn't take him to cut

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Speaker 1: him or to put him on practice squad. So are

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Speaker 1: they going to and they're going to trust this rookie kicker,

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Speaker 1: I guess with their fortunes? Well, yeah, I mean there

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Speaker 1: is there's legit competition because Cairo Santos, the veteran is

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Speaker 1: still on the roster. They brought him back for another year,

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Speaker 1: and he was the guy that they signed mid season

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Speaker 1: when they released Chandler Canton zero. So right now that's

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Speaker 1: going to be the kicking battle. You've got the veteran

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Speaker 1: who is accurate from forty yards on end but does

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Speaker 1: not have a big leg versus a guy that has

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Speaker 1: got a cannon for a leg that Luke Ro's Award

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Speaker 1: winner in Matt Gay, but is a rookie. So I

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Speaker 1: think that at least Jason light is when when drafting

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Speaker 1: this kicker, says, I'm actually gonna have some competition this year,

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Speaker 1: Unlike when Roberto Iguia was drafting a couple of years

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Speaker 1: back in the second round, all the fortunes were on

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Speaker 1: him and that was anointed as the kicker. At least,

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Speaker 1: who's gonna be a traum by fire situation here? And

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Speaker 1: between those two guys, I think Matt Gay has looked

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Speaker 1: more impressive. He does have a booming leg, and I

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Speaker 1: think that he's ultimately going to end up being the guy.

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Speaker 1: But Caro Santos would be the fallback if there's an

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Speaker 1: injury or if Matt Gay just can't cut it. During

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Speaker 1: the preseason, Scott, before we let you go, and I

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Speaker 1: know you said that there's a lot of upside here

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Speaker 1: with Tampa Bay with Bruce Arians, the coaching staff is,

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Speaker 1: the front office feels hey, maybe with the nucleus back

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Speaker 1: in a different voice, that could be the trigger. I

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Speaker 1: look at Tampa Bay, as you well know, this is

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Speaker 1: a team that has played a lot of close games,

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Speaker 1: and you could say that, probably, Scott, about most teams

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. I know I'm not telling you anything new,

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Speaker 1: but awkward. Indeed, well, we'll maybe choose a different term.

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Speaker 1: I'd call it parody Paul goes in a different director.

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Speaker 1: But the reason I'm bringing it up, Scott, how key

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Speaker 1: is this kicking situation? Because if Tampa Bay goes back

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Speaker 1: and says, hey, I remember there was the Giants Bucks

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Speaker 1: game a few years ago, Nick Folk, after multiple misses

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Speaker 1: between both kickers. I mean, so many games have come

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Speaker 1: down to a missfield goal here or they're regardless of

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Speaker 1: the upside connected to Arians, how much would you argue

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Speaker 1: the season could very well come down to again whether

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Speaker 1: Matt Gay or Cairo Santos is consistent enough. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: really isn'tna come down to that I mean it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's been huge. It's been the absolute Achilles seal of

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Speaker 1: Jason light. He has traded for kickers. He has now

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Speaker 1: drafted two kickers. He assigned veteran kickers like like Nick

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Speaker 1: folk and and Chandler Canton zero. Um, it's been a

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Speaker 1: huge struggle. And listen, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: this is still a field goal league, right And if

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Speaker 1: you'll go back and look at the Patriots Super Bowls,

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Speaker 1: the ones that they won, not the ones the Giants one,

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Speaker 1: but the ones that the Patriots one. Look at the scores. Okay,

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00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: look at Adam Benecchieri and and uh and and Gostkowski.

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Speaker 1: I mean they won those games just as much as

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Speaker 1: as Tom Brady did. And they weren't blowout wins. They

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Speaker 1: were they were last minute kicks and and all of that.

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Speaker 1: Kicking is still a huge part of the NFL. That's

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Speaker 1: why they start the game with kickoff. Is that important?

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Speaker 1: And uh and it's it's been a critical issue down here.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that if you want to win games,

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Speaker 1: you better have a good defense because if the other

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Speaker 1: team can't score, they can't win. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: this is a league that that has explosive offenses. I

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Speaker 1: think Tampa Bay has done a good job there and

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Speaker 1: having an offense that can score touchdowns rather than field

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Speaker 1: goals and light teams up. But this is a parody league.

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Speaker 1: You guys are right. I'm not dodging the question. It's

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Speaker 1: critically important. Um the Buccaneers, you know, they've They've been

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Speaker 1: in some shootout games and lost. They've been in some

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Speaker 1: some really close scoring games and lost, and and it

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Speaker 1: ultimately does come down to kicking, and not just not

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Speaker 1: just field goals these days anymore, Villas, it's extra points,

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Speaker 1: to which which you're just as long as the field goals.

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Speaker 1: So it's big as much as we say, this is

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Speaker 1: on Jamis Winston this season, and this is on Todd

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Speaker 1: Bowles and his defensive scheme. It's also on either Matt

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Speaker 1: Gay or Cairo Santos's leg in Tampa. No, it's a

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Speaker 1: good guy. So I don't want to pour salt in

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Speaker 1: the wounds. But Matt Bryant is still kicking for the Falcons. Well,

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Speaker 1: actually he's not. That they cut him this year, did they.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know that. But but the guys like

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Speaker 1: years old and there's no reason, I mean that's the

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Speaker 1: reason why they cut him. But um, but he he

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Speaker 1: has been injured the last couple of years, and and uh,

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Speaker 1: he's still out there in free agency. And I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be surprised if there is an injury or one of

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Speaker 1: these guys and camp doesn't look good that Matt Brian

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Speaker 1: does get a look from the Buccaneers, because I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what the Buccaneers there there has been a curse

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Speaker 1: of Matt Bryant because the buccaneer kicking situation has not

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Speaker 1: been good since they cut him. He is Scott Reynolds

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Speaker 1: covers the Bucks to the Pewter Report's got great stuff.

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Speaker 1: Really appreciate the time in the inside. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for weighing in here on the program we'll see in September. Scott,

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Speaker 1: my pleasure, guys looking forward to it. Thank you absolutely.

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Speaker 1: That is Scott Reynolds once again lay out of the

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Speaker 1: land for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in two thousand nineteen,

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Speaker 1: as they will square off with the Giants in week

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Speaker 1: number three, and we'll continue to move along next week

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Speaker 1: with some more Giants opponents over under. Will it be

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Speaker 1: a hundred degrees that day when the Giants play them? Well,

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Speaker 1: I would say, considering it's a battle in September, Paul,

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Speaker 1: my money would be over. I'm okay with that because

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Speaker 1: he prepared. It extends my tans, so I'm good. Well,

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Speaker 1: of course you're not going to complain about it, and

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Speaker 1: most of the fans, I'm sure used to that type

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Speaker 1: of weather anyway. The players, I gotta tell you, man,

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Speaker 1: you talk about hydrate, hydrate, hydrate. My goodness. You know,

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Speaker 1: especially when you get into the second half, you know

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Speaker 1: you're seeing guys just you know, some guys got to

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Speaker 1: go in locker room, take I V s and stuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it gets it gets rough. And in the

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter when it's a close battle and your sucking

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Speaker 1: wind and you're just drenched on the sidelines, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a tough place I think for some

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Speaker 1: of the the I don't want to say cold weather teams,

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Speaker 1: because it's not cold here in New York in September,

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Speaker 1: but to go down into that hot and humid climate

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Speaker 1: in Florida in the first month of the season can

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Speaker 1: be a challenge. Well present, it's a completely different environment,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter whether you're playing consistently in forty

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Speaker 1: degree weather it's just to your point, you have to

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Speaker 1: adjust to the heat, to humidity. I think the best

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Speaker 1: example to what you just talked about, Paul, last year,

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Speaker 1: if you remember, Patriots visited the Jaguars early in the season.

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Speaker 1: It was one of the most lopsided games that New

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Speaker 1: England played last season. Well, not to take anything away

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Speaker 1: from Jacksonville, not to make excuses, but I guarantee you

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Speaker 1: when they look back, the weather and the environment played

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Speaker 1: a big role in that game. You see. I tried

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Speaker 1: to convince the NFL to flop the Giants Tampa game

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Speaker 1: with the Giants Miami because see what the Giants have

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Speaker 1: to play Miami in December at home, and it would

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Speaker 1: have been nice to go switch those out, Yes, Tampa

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Speaker 1: in December. Understand that they weren't going for it. Well,

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Speaker 1: in fairness, you got that a few years ago. Remember

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Speaker 1: the Giants played at December game in Miami. They did,

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Speaker 1: So you got your wishes. You know, you can't be

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Speaker 1: that high demanding here, Okay, the end that eventual is

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Speaker 1: not gonna necessarily count out to your needs every single

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Speaker 1: season anyway. Two zero one one three is the telephone

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Speaker 1: number hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter. We're gonna open up

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Speaker 1: the remainder of the program to phone calls and tweets

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Speaker 1: as we take you up to the top of the hour.

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Speaker 1: Lance Metal pauled the Tito with you here. It's all

641
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: presented by Corps Light. Let's open up the lines and

642
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: we check in with Len, who is in Columbia, Maryland. Len,

643
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: what's happening? Hey, guys, how are you doing? Get that

644
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: training camp schedule yet? We gotta get you up here.

645
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: I got my ticket, so I won't give you the date,

646
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: but I'll text John. Okay, thank you keeping that up story.

647
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: My goodness, boy, I didn't think that was gonna be

648
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: a big storyline this offseason. When is Lenn gonna show

649
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: up for Giants training camp? Keeping the entire audience at

650
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: the edge of their seats. Yeah, I don't want to

651
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: increase sceed. If I throw the date out there, I'll

652
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 1: increase the crowd. That's a good point. Land. You're right,

653
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: and and and and. Security procedures have changed since the

654
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: kickoff in Tampas at four o'clock. It may only be

655
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: or ninety degrees by then, but of course we're gonna

656
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: have to worry about the lightning. The lightning, the thunder

657
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: and the rain in the afternoon game. That's that's a

658
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 1: It's always a great road trip for Giants fans, but wow,

659
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: that's a that's a tough day to play a football game.

660
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: He mentioned mentioned by the by the Tampa Guy of

661
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: of the Louke Groser Award, one of one of the

662
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: early and maybe the best straight on place kicker in

663
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: the history of Pro football. And also just kind of

664
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: one other shout out to two gros a heck of

665
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: a tackle, offensive tackle who went to the Pro Bowl

666
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: early Pro Bowls with the three or four times for

667
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: his play at offensive tackle. And you usually don't see

668
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: place kickers making the Pro Bowl at another position. Um, hey, Paul.

669
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: Early in the week, you had a show. I don't

670
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: think it was with Lance, but one of one of

671
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: the main topics was training camp. And I try to

672
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: call in, couldn't get in, But can I throw out

673
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: a couple of things about training camp ahead? Yeah, yeah,

674
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, uh and and I'll make it quick.

675
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: First of all, it's a great show. It's a garette show.

676
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: Everybody is very nice. And if you're a Giants fan, uh,

677
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: you know, at least once in your life you gotta

678
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: make it too, you know, some training camp. Um, you know,

679
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: hopefully hopefully they're at the stadium area. But it really

680
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: is a great show. People are very nice. Um, the

681
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: bleacher areas are covered, folks if you're going, so you

682
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about the heat, but the sun,

683
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: especially if it's one of those two forty five practices. Um,

684
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 1: traffic is not a problem. Parking is not a problem.

685
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: And maybe most importantly, they hand you a roster sheet

686
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: when you go in and with ninety guys and the

687
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: roster that comes in Andy does trust me, anybody that's

688
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: got them all memorized that this this, uh you know

689
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: at this time. But hey, if anybody gets a chance go,

690
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: it really is a great show. Um, you know, looking

691
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: looking at starting to take a hard look at the

692
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: roster and listening to you talking with the Tampa guy

693
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: about a number of sacks, and uh, I like it

694
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: that you guys have zeroed in on forty is kind

695
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: of a number. You know, you've got to get the forty. Um,

696
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: forty two is my number, Land, but you know it

697
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: close enough. The bottom line is where are they coming from?

698
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: Well in terms of last season? Real quickly, Land before

699
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: you continue to cut off if you wanted to finish

700
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: in the top half of the league. Thirty five was

701
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: the cut off number last season, but thirty five is

702
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: gonna fluctuate. So that's why I think forty is a

703
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: better gauge to say, hey, you know you're finishing in

704
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 1: the top half of the league. Yeah, okay, good point,

705
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: good point. Um, you know, maybe thirty five. I just

706
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: it seems to me you gotta have some an individual

707
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: who can get to ten eleven well that other teams

708
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: start to pay attention to for you to get to

709
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: forty probably, And I just don't see, you know, maybe

710
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: I'll be surprised. I'm looking to be surprised by a

711
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: lot of things from the Giants this year, but I

712
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: don't see forty on that roster. I think it's going

713
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: to be so tough to do, you know, to get there.

714
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: So so my you know, that's my comment. My question

715
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: is how important do you think that is for us

716
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: to get to eight, eight, seven? Or can we just

717
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: outscore everybody and get into a you know, get into

718
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: a foot race, get into a basketball game. Um, what

719
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: do you think? I mean, how critical is that or

720
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: is it just one of those things. You know, it's

721
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: nice to be able to talk about when the season's

722
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: over land. I think there are probably two other more

723
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: important factors than the sack number. And I do think

724
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: the pressure on the quarterback and sacks and hits and

725
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: pressure those are all important things. Yes, but but but

726
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: to me, they could probably not achieve the desired number

727
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: in sacks but still become a winning team if a

728
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: they avoid any significant injuries at the thin spots, which

729
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: we've already gone over many times over this offensive line.

730
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: The starting five better be able to play sixteen games. Okay,

731
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: we know that pretty much. We you know, we know,

732
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: we know for a fact that you know it's gonna

733
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: be hard if Eli goes down, if Daniel Jones has

734
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: to suddenly go in there on a moment's notice for

735
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: him to produce a winning record. We know se Kwan

736
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: Barkley should get hurt. I mean, there are a number

737
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: of thin spots on this depth chart. So I'm gonna

738
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: say to you for the Giants to win, Okay, to

739
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: have a winning record, they have to be healthy at

740
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: all their thin spots. Number two is gonna be that

741
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: the young defense, especially the young back seven, they gonna

742
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: make their rookie mistakes. I've discussed this with both Lands

743
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: and John. They're gonna make their share of rookie mistakes.

744
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: The question is how fatal will those mistakes be, How

745
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: many of them are they gonna make, and how many

746
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: times are they going to be in critical spots where

747
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: the opponent takes advantage of them and makes the Giants

748
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: pay by by by beating them in a particular game.

749
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: I think if they can keep those things to a minimum,

750
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: the injuries and the number of fatal mistakes, they can

751
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: probably still have a winning record despite not reaching the

752
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: sack total that we have prescribed. Um well, I agree

753
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: with everything you said, Paul, and especially on the injury front.

754
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: I keep thinking, if we can keep our top thirty guys,

755
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: and those aren't all starters, thirty guys, if we can

756
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: keep them generally healthy, I mean not losing you for

757
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: the season. Um In, Lances Lance is gonna chirp in

758
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: here and say, well, that's true of any team, but

759
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: I think it's especially important for us if we can

760
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: keep thirty are best players healthy or maybe you know

761
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: we're missing a game or two, but not a whole season,

762
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: And if we don't get wiped out at a particular position.

763
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: You know, if we if we don't lose four tight ends,

764
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: three centers, you know, things like that. Well, because the

765
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: rationale behind we can hang in there and that the

766
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: thirty five to forty sex doesn't become as important nice

767
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: to have. Don't get me wrong, but I think you're

768
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: right on with with isolating those other things well. And

769
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: the reason why the depth is key here in terms

770
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: of your thirty five is because this is a season

771
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: where the Giants need to rely on value. They're not

772
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: going to have one guy in particular, to me do

773
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: all the heavy lifting and let me just throw out

774
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: a few numbers, which is why, in my personal opinion,

775
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: I would be very surprised if the Giants get to

776
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: forty sacks. If they do, I'm not saying it's impossible.

777
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: And if they do, to me, that means that there's

778
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: gonna be at least ten guys on this team that

779
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: are gonna have career years. That doesn't mean that they're

780
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: gonna get ten sacks, but they're even gonna get to

781
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: maybe five or six, case in point, case in point, Okay,

782
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden leads the way on the team right now.

783
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: He has nineteen career sacks. He had twelve and a

784
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: half of those nineteen sacks in one season. Okay, so

785
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: that further puts things in perspective. The ten other players

786
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: on the team in the front seven that have recorded

787
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: at least the sack in their career have total thirty

788
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: four and a half. They don't even get to forty

789
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: when you combine all of their career numbers and and

790
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: nobody has more than six and a half in their career. So,

791
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: like I said, I'd be very surprised that they get

792
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: to four, you know, to fortify that point. Land here's

793
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: the issue. Remember last year when Olivier Vernon, you know,

794
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: try to do what he could do. But the bottom

795
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: line was, and I've called him a robin, they don't

796
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: have a batman here and on this pass rush he

797
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: is a robin. The problem was the Giants needed Olivier

798
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: Vernon to be a batman, but JPP was man. And

799
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: when he was here and Vernon was allowed to be robbin,

800
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: they had a dynamic duo. Well, when JP p Laft

801
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: and now Vernon how to be batman, he didn't fit

802
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: into the cow. I don't think the Giants this year, right,

803
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: now have a batman. I think they probably have a

804
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: bunch of Robbins, and unless somebody steps up to fit

805
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 1: into that cow, whether it's RCAs Golden or maybe maybe

806
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: it's Zimminenz, who knows, Maybe this rookie comes in and

807
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: rex havoc and has nine or ten sacks out of

808
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: the box. Unless that happens, I don't see them getting

809
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: to the forty sacks. I just don't, you know, you know,

810
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: you guys are killing me. Well listen, sorry, I opened

811
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: up the topic because you're so absolutely right. It's really

812
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: gonna be tough to get to that thirty five or

813
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: forty number. I mean, maybe let's say for it. I

814
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: think we're gonna have to be you know, I'm looking

815
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: for a lot of surprises. Guys, they're there. I'm not

816
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: gonna come through, but I'm hoping for a lot of

817
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: surprises from the giants. Here's the formula, need Land. Let's

818
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: let's let's put Lance's mathematics aside for a second, because

819
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: I don't think that's very likely at all. The most

820
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: likely way the Giants can get to forty sacks is

821
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: let's say Golden has a dozen, like he's done once before.

822
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: In his career. Let's say Lorenzo Carter steps up and

823
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: gets eight or nine, that'll get you to twenty, and

824
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: then Zimmenez as a rookie, gets eight. Now all of

825
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: a sudden, that gives that gives you close to thirty. Well,

826
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: now you've got a realistic to me, that's the most

827
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: likely best case scenario you could ask for. Well, and listen,

828
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna let you go on that note because we

829
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: we certainly appreciate you weighing in. You got it absolutely

830
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: now based on your hypothetical scenario. And I know it's hypothetical.

831
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you're claiming that those guys are

832
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: gonna get to those not not at all, but just

833
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: suggesting that that equation might get with the vicinity in

834
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: terms of it being feasible. But you know, under your hypothetical,

835
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: let's just take it a step further, Paul, you're asking

836
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: a rookie to come in year one, and once again,

837
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're saying this's gonna happen, a rookie

838
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: to come in year one and explode who also is

839
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: making the transition from not necessarily a top notch program too.

840
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's also take that into consideration with Zimenez.

841
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: To get near ten, you're asking Lorenzo Carter to also

842
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: make a humongous leap between his rookie year and his

843
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: second year. But still I mean that you're doing doubling

844
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: what he did as a rookie. I don't think that's

845
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: a horrible stretch. Once wouldn't shock me if Carter actually

846
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: wound up leading the team in sacks and I wouldn't

847
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: study or No, that would not stunn me. But once again,

848
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: just talking about the sample size, you're asking him to

849
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: duplicate his production and Marcus Golden getting back to the

850
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen form, which I don't think is a

851
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: stretch either. But this is important to note. Nothing wrong

852
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: with asking. You can ask anything, doesn't mean you're gonna

853
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: get it. But but this is important to note with

854
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden and the opportunity is huge for him. But

855
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to your power because I like

856
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: your parallel about the Batman Robin Okay, when Golden in

857
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen and that, But that's an important part

858
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: of the equation, Paul. It's huge you had Chandler Jones

859
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: taking attention away from Marcus Golden drawing double teams, so

860
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: Golden took advantage. I don't know that Golden can be Batman,

861
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: but he's gonna have to be well because then he's

862
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: gonna then have to create opportunities for the Carters and

863
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 1: the Zemminezes of the world. But the question is, can

864
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: Golden I'll make the leap now that he's a little

865
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: bit removed from that torn A c l can he

866
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: become Batman? Could somebody else elevate to Robin without a

867
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones or Olivier Vernon in the picture? That to

868
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: me is something that's important to analyze, and not just

869
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: the Smith. So you're not just asking Robin to become Batman,

870
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: you're also asking him to do that without having any

871
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: luxury of somebody else who's dynamic opposite him. See. I

872
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: I still think that's a better path to go than

873
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: to ask six or seven guys to have five sacks apiece. Yeah,

874
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: I think that's a tough tall order to that's asking

875
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: even more. But I mean, but I guess what I'm

876
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: saying is, if I'm James Betcher, I'm maybe going in

877
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: with that being my game plan. Paul that if I

878
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: could get multiple guys with four or five that that

879
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: could be a little bit more realistic than asking Robin

880
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: to become Batman. Just like that, I think the spread

881
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: the wealth mentality is what I'm trying to high mountain

882
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: to climb. Either way. Well, and that's why there's a

883
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: little bit of intrigue. I think connected to the Giants,

884
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stress and and well you could

885
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: look at it through that lens, but but I look

886
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: at it as there's there's a lot of unknown surrounding

887
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: the Giants defense. But you know what, with unknown, I

888
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: think does come intrigue because maybe to your point, somebody

889
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: will come in and surprise in year one, or maybe

890
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a secondary player. By the way, that's

891
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: something that we also didn't talk about. That's a way

892
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 1: to collect I'll say this, let's hope that Marcus Golden

893
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: resuscitates his career a lot better than Mike Crowl did

894
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: the former Bronco when he wound up coming to the

895
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: Giants and became invisible. Well, they're gonna need Golden to

896
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: get back to form. I think that goes without saying.

897
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: If he gets back to form and that's a huge

898
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,479
Speaker 1: step in the right direction. But even if Golden gets

899
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: back to form, okay, you still need somebody else, not

900
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: just one, not two, maybe three to still now balance

901
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: out Golden. Because think about this, if Golden gets twelve, okay,

902
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: let's say ten, okay, double digits. Let's say Golden gets

903
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: back to double digits. All right, so you're still a

904
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: quarter there. Somebody has to get another ten and it

905
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: may take you, Paul, two to three guys just to

906
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: get the ten here, I am asking for Batman and Robin,

907
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: and you want the whole Justice League. Well, as we continue,

908
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: I didn't think we're gonna get into a d C

909
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: versus Marvel type of battle royale here, but I I

910
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: think it's valid in all seriousness to wonder you know,

911
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: who's gonna answer the call. And that's why this is

912
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: not a conversation to hit the panic button for Giants

913
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: fans and say, oh boy. I mean, based on the

914
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: math that Paul and Lancer bringing to the forefront, this

915
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: is not necessarily painting a rosy picture. First of all,

916
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: we're trying to be realistic here. I mean, Paul and

917
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: I are not here to you know, paint this picture

918
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: to expect everybody to have a career year. But I

919
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: think Lenn brought up an interesting question based on our

920
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: previous conversations about all right, if forty is your target number,

921
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: all right, how reasonable is it the thing that the

922
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: Giants again in that ballpark? And as I said, whether

923
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: you want to put stock or substance into any of

924
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: the numbers I throughout Paul, But if outside of Marcus Golden,

925
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: ten front seven players have combined for thirty four and

926
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: a half sacks, which is shy of forty, in order

927
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: to get to forty, assuming Golden gets back to form,

928
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: you're going to need at least six or seven guys

929
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 1: to have career years meeting. If one player has two

930
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: career sacks, you're gonna have to ask him to duplicate

931
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: his career sack total this season. I know. I think

932
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: that's a very tough expectation. This is why I still

933
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: believe that going into the season, despite the fact that

934
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: I think the Giants can still achieve a winning record

935
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: if those other things we talked about before are accomplished,

936
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: this is still, in my opinion, the number one Achilles heel.

937
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: And and here's the thing, injuries more than anything else

938
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: on the product of bad luck. You can't predict or gain,

939
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: plan or coach injuries. Really, I mean, I know we

940
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: talk all the time about how Eli does a great

941
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: job of absorbing hits in the pocket, which does reduce

942
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: the amount of injuries he has taken. But at the

943
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: same time, your injury list by by the end of

944
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: the season. There's not a team in the league that

945
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: can go in and say, well, we anticipate we're going

946
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: to have this amount of injury. You just don't. You can't.

947
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: It's impossible. That's the product of luck. Okay. The fatal

948
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: flaws and uh that that come from the mistakes made

949
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: by your young secondary are also unpredictable. All we know

950
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: is that this young defense is gonna make it share mistakes.

951
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: We know that that's a given. But I can't sit

952
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: here and tell you and you can't tell me how

953
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: many of those mistakes will directly turn into Giants defeats.

954
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: We have no idea, Well you don't, because you just

955
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: don't know how the offense is going to balance out

956
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: the defense and vice versa. Okay, so those those two things,

957
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: which probably have a bigger impact on the Giants final

958
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: one loss record than anything else, are totally unpredictable. So

959
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: now you say, okay, of the things that we actually

960
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: can chew on and be logical about, what is the

961
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: biggest achilles heel on this team, and it would have

962
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: to be lack of proven pass rushing well, and the

963
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: reason why we're focusing on also top half of the

964
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: league where you finished total sack numbers, because some people

965
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: would argue sacks don't tell the whole story, and I

966
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: would agree with that segment of the football fan base

967
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: because you look at pressures, how you create pressures, well,

968
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: it's really indicative of having a strong enough pass rush

969
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: that it can impact your status exactly. And here's the

970
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: other thing I think you tapped into something interesting. First

971
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: of all, I wanted to actually let me throw out

972
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: this number. First, nine of the twelve teams that made

973
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: the playoffs last year finished in the top half of

974
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: the league in sacks. I wanted to get that out

975
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: because not surprise me at all, that to me is

976
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: no coincidence. The second thing I wanted to bring up

977
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: is your point about you don't know how your secondary

978
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: may come back to bite you because there's a lot

979
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: of youth. Well, let's look at the Kansas City Chiefs.

980
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: The reason why I think the Kansas City Chiefs are

981
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: relevant in this conversation, Paul, Kansas City tied with Pittsburgh

982
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: for the most sacks in the NFL last season. Kansas

983
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: City did not have a good defense, and I think

984
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: we saw based on what New England did and they're

985
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: non disciplined plays down the stretch, how they gave time. Yes,

986
00:50:58,600 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: I know I'm going out in a living here and

987
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: Patriots an opportunity to convert one third down after another.

988
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: But the reason why I want to bring that up

989
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: is not to focus on the a f C Championship game.

990
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: Kansas City is an example, Paul, of where if your

991
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: offense is explosive, you can cover up and make do

992
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: with shortcomings on the defensive side. And also your sacks

993
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 1: can cover up maybe a suspect secondary And I think

994
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: that's exactly the school of thought that Kansas City subscribed to.

995
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: And don't tweet at me and tell me why is

996
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: Lens bringing up Patrick Mahomes in that offense. That's not

997
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: my point. My point is to show what you were

998
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: just subscribing to, Paul. You can find other ways to

999
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: make up for voids or issues on your team. And

1000
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: Kansas City. While everybody wants to crown them from last

1001
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: season and a tremendous year, Kansas City was not short

1002
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: of faults. They had issues. Okay, they had problems, but

1003
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: nobody focused on that pall because they went out and

1004
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: scored about forty points a game and everybody said, hey,

1005
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 1: all is gonna be well. But you know what, when

1006
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: it mattered the most in the a f C Championship game,

1007
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: there's a re and why they did not overcome New

1008
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: England and to the Super Bowl. Well, we've also talked

1009
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: on this show before about the number of turnovers that

1010
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: a defense comes up with, and there's no question that

1011
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: when you have a suspect defense or a growing defense,

1012
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: as the Giants have right now, one it's trying to,

1013
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: you know, get better and improve. Well, one of the

1014
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: best things that could possibly happen to them, besides an

1015
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: offense outscoring the opponent, and besides the offense controlling the

1016
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: tempo and the clock, would be to get a bunch

1017
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: of turnovers, which will bail you out. And how do

1018
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: you do that. Well, about the only way that you

1019
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: can really coach your program turnovers, because they are so much.

1020
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: The product of luck in many, many ways is getting

1021
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 1: pressure on the QB and and and that's why, oh man,

1022
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: it's the spider web. I always come back to this.

1023
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: It's a spider web lance. The National Football League professional

1024
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: football is a game is a spider web, domino effect.

1025
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: Peel back the layers of the onion. You get pressure

1026
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: on the quarterback, You get those hits, you get those hurries,

1027
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: you get those sacks. Now the quarterback is more apt

1028
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: to make mistakes when he throws the ball, and when

1029
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: he makes those mistakes, you get more turnovers because of interceptions.

1030
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 1: So it's all into one things connected to another. It's

1031
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: a great game. I love it. Yeah. Well, and that's

1032
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: why it's the ultimate team sport too, to what you

1033
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: just said, Paul, Because if your offense is great, hey,

1034
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: that's good for your outlook of the season. It doesn't

1035
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: mean that that fact and the team alone is gonna

1036
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: take you to the promised Land, especially if your defense

1037
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: and your special teams is not delivering. I want to

1038
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: get to a few tweets here before we close up

1039
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: shop here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. For those of

1040
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: you who didn't have an opportunity to wigh in hashtag

1041
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: Giants chat as will continue to monitor those tweets. We

1042
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: were actually talking about that Tampa Bay Bucceteers game with

1043
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: Scott Reynolds, who we had on earlier when we reprieving

1044
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: the Bucks and A J. Marshall age A Marshall three

1045
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: providing more details for the game that I brought up

1046
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: last time Giants played at the Buccaneers, Oldric Rosas missed

1047
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: the game winning field goal. If you remember the Bucketeers

1048
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: Rosas miss the field going then Nick Folk had the

1049
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: field goal that went his way. So that gots back

1050
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: to the point about how so many close games have

1051
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: come down to a three point opportunity when it comes

1052
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: to the Giants, the Bucks, you name it, A lot

1053
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: of teams certainly come into play. I know Devin Anderson

1054
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: was throwing out potential questions ask Scott, but I think

1055
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: we actually addressed this with Scott because one of his

1056
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: questions was the major difference between what the head coach

1057
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: has done in Tampa Bay versus Arizona in terms of

1058
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: personnel with Bruce Arians, and that was one of the

1059
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: first questions Paul that we asked Scott. He mentioned accountability

1060
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: is a big difference that he's already seeing, and he said,

1061
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: the Bucks front office is of the mindset we didn't

1062
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: have to change the roster around because we think we

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Speaker 1: have good talent there. We just need to change who's

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Speaker 1: pulling the string. So I think Dav that Scott answered

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Speaker 1: that question, and if he did not, feel free to

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Speaker 1: follow up with another tweet that at least related to

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Speaker 1: perhaps what you were throwing out there. Vic wants to

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Speaker 1: weigh in here on his experience at Giants Training Camp.

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Speaker 1: He says that he attended Giants Training Camp for fourteen

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Speaker 1: years in Albany, I went one year in New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: and in his opinion, he's saying there's absolutely no comparison.

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Speaker 1: He loves the Albany set up, saying it was wonderful place.

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Speaker 1: The players are up close and personal. Had the conversations

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Speaker 1: with a number of Giants legends and current players. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's basically it's a different layout of the land.

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Speaker 1: So many Giants legends here because they do schedule them

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Speaker 1: for each of the public practices to sign autographs and

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Speaker 1: take pictures and is up on giants dot com slash

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Speaker 1: Training Camp. By the way, if you want to pinpoint

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Speaker 1: the day to come. But the reason why listen, you

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Speaker 1: had a lot more experience at Albany than I did,

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Speaker 1: so you've been around the boards in terms of the logistics.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's a little bit unfair to compare

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Speaker 1: this set up to the Albany set because, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're on a campus. It was a little bit more

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Speaker 1: flexible and free to move around, have access to the players,

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Speaker 1: whereas here, I mean you're dealing with the enclosure the

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Speaker 1: Giants facility. I just don't think the logistics are fair

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Speaker 1: to compare. That's my personal Oh you're you're right. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, this is the only training camp of

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Speaker 1: before that I've been through during my thirty seven years

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Speaker 1: where you actually have fully structured and covered bleachers around

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Speaker 1: the practice field. There's the pro it's more of a

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Speaker 1: sit down, formal event to come to as opposed to

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Speaker 1: something which is kind of like just going to somebody's

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Speaker 1: backyard and watching them play. It's a different atmosphere. Now,

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Speaker 1: whether or not you prefer it, you're entitled to your opinion.

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Speaker 1: I would never tell anybody that they're right or wrong.

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Speaker 1: But but there's certainly much more structured format to having

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Speaker 1: it at your home base that is gonna wrap up

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Speaker 1: things for us here on Thursday's edition of Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kickoff Live. No program tomorrow. The offices is closed, but

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Speaker 1: we'll be back up and running on Monday with a

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Speaker 1: new edition a Big Blue Kickoff Live, and we will

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Speaker 1: be previewing the Philadelphia Eagles, so stay tuned for that.

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Speaker 1: Next week. We're gonna wrap up all the Giants opponents.

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Speaker 1: Is we get a better feel of who New York

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Speaker 1: is going to go up against in two thousand nineteen.

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Speaker 1: It is all presented by cores Light as usual. Certainly

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Speaker 1: appreciate the phone calls, Appreciate the tweets. Anything we didn't

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Speaker 1: get to, we'll try to follow up off the air.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me for Paul Detino. I'm Lance Meadow. Enjoy the

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Speaker 1: rest of your Thursday, and always stay locked to Giants

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Have a go on