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Speaker 4: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday, goo

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Speaker 4: Ahedrils Stadium. I had to think because it's we're a

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Speaker 5: Time is now seeping into the day.

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Speaker 4: I did have to think we didn't have an open

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Speaker 4: Jewels is in the booth today. But yeah, the gang's

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Speaker 4: all here. It's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Deuce.

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Speaker 4: We'll be here for the next two hours talking Patriots

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Speaker 4: and getting excited about the future. We're gonna break down

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Speaker 4: Drake May. Evan's here. It's the first time we've really

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Speaker 4: a little bit, but of course we'll get into that

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Speaker 4: more into the Jaguars and their situation. We'll touch on

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Speaker 4: DeVante Adams going to the Jets. That's breaking news this morning.

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Speaker 4: It's win or bust in the Jets, So we'll talk

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Speaker 4: The World's original podcast? Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 6: This is true right naked without it without the three

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Speaker 6: of us spent two hours already gushing over the future.

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Speaker 6: So something tell something tells me that that's going to

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Speaker 6: over the next two hours. From Evan.

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Speaker 4: Listen, I think I've I've clarified my take. I think

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Speaker 4: his production was more than I expected in his first game,

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Speaker 7: Well, yesterday was a fun day for me.

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Speaker 8: This was the most fun that I have had watching

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Speaker 8: Patriots offensive film since Max rookie year. And I don't

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Speaker 8: think that that is hyperbole at all. I would just

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Speaker 8: say said this to Deuce earlier. Tell your kids, tell

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Speaker 8: name's Drake may A. Guy can throw it, guy can run.

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Speaker 8: I look their mistakes on the film, all right. It's

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Speaker 8: But I had him with twelve plus plays in this game.

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Speaker 4: You're saying buying a ten jersey this year might be

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Speaker 8: If I was the Patriots, I'd be advertising the crap

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the piggyback on that. I just kept

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Speaker 7: Stick you like stick.

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Speaker 8: that's just something that this offense didn't have, you know,

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Speaker 8: Now they have a guy that can go out there

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Speaker 4: Know, and he's not ruined. He didn't come out of

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, and it is, like I can understand obviously,

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Speaker 6: But you know I'm with Evan. You guys know that

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Speaker 6: the mistakes are going to come, like young quarterbacks make mistakes.

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Speaker 6: One of the mistakes that he made the no one

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Speaker 4: The first he was kind of bouncing off guys.

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Speaker 6: Okay?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the Miami game that the week before when he

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So like those are all the things that he

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Speaker 6: you had him for twelve plus plays just out of curiosity.

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Speaker 6: How many minus places yet?

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Speaker 6: Okay, So now I'll give you an example of like

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Speaker 7: I saw that.

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Speaker 8: I the seventeen minus plays. I haven't read what Greg

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Like there are times, you know, there was a

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Speaker 4: But if you go back in the film room, you're

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Speaker 8: But I don't know if I am like, because that's

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Speaker 8: then I don't think you're allowing him to play to

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Speaker 4: You also don't want him to vacate if he doesn't

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I hear that.

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Speaker 8: Don't think so, but I might have my sequence wrong there.

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Speaker 6: And that's what you have to hope for, is that

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Speaker 6: to hope. I'm not I'm not putting Drake may in

439
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Speaker 6: that category.

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Speaker 4: And that's the bigger point for the rest of the season.

441
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Speaker 4: Assuming Drake starts every one of these games, which we

442
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Speaker 4: all hope for, is that it's not going to be

443
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Speaker 4: about winning or losing because he's going to make mistakes.

444
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Speaker 4: And you ask me this question on the postgame show.

445
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Speaker 4: If he played that way every game, every games you

446
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Speaker 4: know from you know, from week one, what would their

447
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,320
Speaker 4: record be? It'd probably be one and five, if not

448
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,160
Speaker 4: zero and six. Because the Patriots can't win when you turn.

449
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Speaker 4: They're not that good all around.

450
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Speaker 6: The kid, they can't be. You can't worry about.

451
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Speaker 4: That right now. You've got to play this kid. You

452
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Speaker 4: got to let him throw it. You gotta let him

453
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Speaker 4: make mistakes. Do not coddle him the way they coddle

454
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Speaker 4: Mac Jones. At least the first half of the his

455
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Speaker 4: first his rookie season. Do not coddle him that way.

456
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that's my point with the scrambles and

457
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Speaker 8: the and the offscript stuff is if you tell him

458
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Speaker 8: we want you to sit in the pocket and we

459
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Speaker 8: want you to read this out and we want he's

460
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Speaker 8: gonna become robotic and it's not gonna be his natural

461
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Speaker 8: playing style. He's not, like I said earlier, He's not Brady.

462
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Speaker 8: He's Josh Allen, right, Like, get used to watching that

463
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Speaker 8: kind of quarterback. Don't expect him to be manning Brady

464
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Speaker 8: Breeze and just like sit in the pocket and read

465
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Speaker 8: out defenses all the time and pick people apart. I

466
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Speaker 8: just if there's one thing that concerned me a little

467
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Speaker 8: bit was the accuracy, Like that is he gonna be

468
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Speaker 8: more consistent with his downfield accuracy because it wasn't just the.

469
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Speaker 7: Air Milt pick. I mean, he he missed.

470
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Speaker 8: I had him with six Arran throws in the game,

471
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Speaker 8: and a lot of those two were like completions where

472
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Speaker 8: the ball placement just wasn't completed absolutely, And so that

473
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Speaker 8: that's gonna is that is it mechanics? Is it lower body?

474
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Speaker 8: You know, the longer wind up back and sometimes it's yeah,

475
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Speaker 8: like what what's causing him to because he had all

476
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Speaker 8: these Erran throws in North Carolina?

477
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Speaker 5: Take that. That's the thing to watch for me, is

478
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Speaker 5: that can that? Like can he doesn't need to be Brady?

479
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Speaker 5: But can he develop that part of Brady in his

480
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Speaker 5: game of And a lot of it's mental, right, I mean,

481
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 5: that's just experience, understanding, getting comfortable, especially trusting your offensive lineman,

482
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Speaker 5: Like that's that's another part of this whole thing where

483
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Speaker 5: he's getting snaps from under a butt that he's never

484
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Speaker 5: been under before, Paul, you know, it's not like ever

485
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Speaker 5: where through So I I I agree with with everything

486
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Speaker 5: Evan said. I just I mean this, I think each

487
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 5: quarterback is so interesting. Like we've watched a couple of

488
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Speaker 5: rookie quarterbacks now and you kind of see what they're

489
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Speaker 5: good at and what their holes are, and you say,

490
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Speaker 5: this is what they have to develop in their game.

491
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Speaker 5: And that's what I'm so interested to watch going forward

492
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Speaker 5: for these last what is it eleven games, Like, you know, really,

493
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Speaker 5: can we see the development of him just getting a

494
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Speaker 5: little more comfortable in the pocket taking? So, I mean

495
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Speaker 5: that's what you're talking about though, take the layups, like,

496
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Speaker 5: you know, take the easy stuff. But that's that's what

497
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Speaker 5: he has to figure out.

498
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Speaker 4: I think you mentioned pocket. You don't want us sitting

499
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Speaker 4: in the pocket. It would be nice, though, if he

500
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Speaker 4: had a pocket to sit in. And you know, we

501
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 4: do have to address this offensive line situation because it's

502
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Speaker 4: going to affect his development. It's going to affect how

503
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Speaker 4: he plays the rest of these eleven games, assuming it

504
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Speaker 4: doesn't get right.

505
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Speaker 6: You know more, we're watching all of that stuff too

506
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Speaker 6: with May and seeing how he, you know, progresses, and

507
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Speaker 6: you're also going to have to watch to see how

508
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Speaker 6: the other teams progress against him because like, as an example,

509
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Speaker 6: I don't know how you guys felt, but the last

510
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Speaker 6: in the world I was expecting on the forty yard

511
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 6: touchdown was a go round.

512
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Speaker 5: Yeah Houston too.

513
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Speaker 6: I thought they were gonna throw something short over the

514
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Speaker 6: middle play for a field goal and say, hey, that's

515
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Speaker 6: a nice scoring drive we put together at the end

516
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Speaker 6: of the half there, And all of a sudden, they

517
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Speaker 6: get a one on one on the outside and Stingley's

518
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 6: caught completely. And he's a good player, Booty beat a

519
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 6: really good corner on that play. He just caught him

520
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 6: completely flat footed. They were even about the ten yard line.

521
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Speaker 6: He ran right by him. Like so, now to your point, Fred,

522
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Speaker 6: does that make you less easy to guard? But now

523
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Speaker 6: you you got them in a different way, you defend

524
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Speaker 6: them in a different way, I hope, so all those

525
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Speaker 6: things get I think that's just like they're allowing to

526
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Speaker 6: Mario Douglas to run unencumbered across the field how many times?

527
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Speaker 6: Four more? Four times? Tis more like they're going to

528
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Speaker 6: cover him now, Like do you have to? Because now

529
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Speaker 6: you have a quarterback. You can get that all the.

530
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Speaker 4: Way, you know, like people say, oh, you know, if

531
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Speaker 4: he had hit that first one, he would have had

532
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Speaker 4: two touchdowns. If he had hit that first one to Douglas,

533
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Speaker 4: they probably would have guarded him differently second time.

534
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Speaker 5: And this to me is the whole key though. And

535
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 5: we've spent the last three years talking about they're easy

536
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Speaker 5: to defend. Get up on the line of scrip.

537
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Speaker 4: Okay, so now we're pushing them back the more we

538
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Speaker 4: can run.

539
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Speaker 6: We've got pushing them back, just defending him differently, like

540
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Speaker 6: you like tomorrow, Douglas didn't go down the field. He

541
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Speaker 6: ran across the field with nobody on It's like five

542
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Speaker 6: times right.

543
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Speaker 4: The reason why the.

544
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Speaker 6: Touchdown things. It's unbelievable how fast he beat the guy

545
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Speaker 6: off the line on the touchdown. But now you say, like, okay,

546
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Speaker 6: he has that and this guy is going to get

547
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Speaker 6: it to him. So I got to maybe play his

548
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Speaker 6: own or I got to maybe you want to do

549
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 6: some different things.

550
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Speaker 5: Has to think about something.

551
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Speaker 6: I'm not necessarily talking about back and I'm talking about

552
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Speaker 6: I don't know for the first time really since Brady left.

553
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Speaker 6: There might be an adjustment to the way the secondary

554
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 6: has to play.

555
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Speaker 5: But that's fine.

556
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Speaker 4: The more the more things you show that you can do,

557
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Speaker 4: the more they have to worry about. And then it's

558
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 4: up to the quarter to find out, Okay, where do

559
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 4: I go? Because he's got more you know, now he

560
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 4: has more things to think about because the defense is

561
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 4: you know, has him on tape. But it's all good,

562
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 4: it's all good.

563
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 5: It's good.

564
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Speaker 8: But I think, my my my fear is this is

565
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Speaker 8: where the sprays come into play because if he's gonna

566
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Speaker 8: start to see a lot of zone coverage, which is

567
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Speaker 8: I think, what's gonna You cannot play man to man

568
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 8: against this guy like he you just can't. You know,

569
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 8: he's gonna tear you apart if you sit in man.

570
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Speaker 4: Because rush him in two sets.

571
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Speaker 8: But but his his downfield throws are too good and

572
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 8: he's too mobile, so you're gonna you're gonna put yourself

573
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Speaker 8: into a blender trying to play man to man against him.

574
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 8: So they're gonna start to play a lot more soft

575
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 8: zone against the Patriots. And the question is is he

576
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Speaker 8: going to be able to take the underneath stuff consistently

577
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 8: and not have the sprays on the short and intermediate

578
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 8: throws that he had in this game, Because if he

579
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Speaker 8: starts spraying the ball all over the place, then they're

580
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Speaker 8: just gonna sit back and zone and make him pick

581
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Speaker 8: him apart from the pocket. You know that that's where

582
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 8: he's gonna have to adjust, because we'll see it this

583
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 8: week with Jacksonville, Like they play more Cover two than

584
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 8: any team in the league. So they're gonna sit with

585
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 8: those two high safeties and they're gonna say, if you're

586
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Speaker 8: gonna beat us, it's gonna be at the short and

587
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Speaker 8: intermediate level.

588
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Speaker 4: You mean, teams are gonna have to treat the Patriots

589
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 4: offense like a real NFL offense eventually a little bit.

590
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Speaker 8: Okay, all right, Yeah, I think The one thing to

591
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Speaker 8: douce his point is does that open up the running game,

592
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Speaker 8: because now you'll have two guys you know deep, you'll

593
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Speaker 8: have those lighter boxes, Like maybe now you can sequence

594
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Speaker 8: the run game off of it, and that would help

595
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 8: you alleviate some of the stress. But I'm just thinking

596
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 8: about he has Jamichael Hasty on a hitch route and

597
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 8: he throws it just nowhere near him, like in the

598
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Speaker 8: third row, and it's like, if those are the types

599
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Speaker 8: of throws that everybody's gonna force him to now make,

600
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Speaker 8: is he gonna be able to make those consists?

601
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Speaker 4: I do want to temper. I think we're a little

602
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 4: bit We're not there yet where other teams have to

603
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Speaker 4: fear Drake May Yet if I'm an opposing defense, I'm

604
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Speaker 4: still treating him like a rookie quarterback and I'm daring

605
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 4: him and I'm gonna, you know, confuse him.

606
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Speaker 5: But it's a little something to think about.

607
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 4: Oh it eventually.

608
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 6: Myself about both both camps are like claiming victor. You know,

609
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 6: they scored twenty one points. It just looks so much

610
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 6: better because, Yeah, as I've used this line a few times, Leef,

611
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 6: I'd rather lose forty one twenty one than twenty four

612
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 6: to three. Right, that's just a me thing. Yeah, I understand,

613
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 6: it's the same. You didn't have a chance to win

614
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 6: either game. I get it. If you had, I'd rather lose, well,

615
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 6: scoring at least some points.

616
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Speaker 4: Right, if you had, you know, same picks and same

617
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 4: inaccuracy and they only scored three points, then that camp

618
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 4: would really be all over it. But he had production.

619
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Speaker 4: He had three touchdown passes. When's the last time a

620
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 4: Patriots quarterback got three touchdown passes? Billy Zappy Bailey Zappy.

621
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Speaker 6: I was going to say, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh's question.

622
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Speaker 5: I mean, do you guys put anything on it that

623
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Speaker 5: there wasn't I mean, and maybe this was situational, but

624
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 5: that he didn't really have a run game either in

625
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 5: this in this game at all, Like there wasn't really

626
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 5: anything doing on the ground for them.

627
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 6: The first time he touched the ball, they're down set nothing.

628
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 6: Second time he touches it down fourteen nothing. That's not

629
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 6: on Drake May and the offense, right, Like, give him

630
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 6: some help. You know, you're playing against a good team

631
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 6: in a good defense and you can't run the ball.

632
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 6: You got no Remondre Stephenson, and it took him a

633
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 6: whole half really to sort of get his footing.

634
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that's what's frustrated drowd Mayo after

635
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 4: the game, and you could he was kind of, you know,

636
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 4: real visibly upset with his defense because, man, if we

637
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 4: could just play the kind of defense I think we can.

638
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 7: To your defense, are we going to do this right now?

639
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 5: Because I was enjoying that.

640
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 8: No, I just I will get to your defense, don't worry.

641
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 8: But the one thing that I would just not the

642
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 8: run game necessarily. But Houston played pretty straight up in

643
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 8: this game. They actually didn't do much exotic defense at all.

644
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 8: Like it wasn't a lot of like post snap spins

645
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 8: or anything like that. They played man to man across

646
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 8: the board, and they said, our guys are better than

647
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 8: your guys, and we're just going to beat you.

648
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 6: And they also had a huge lead for the vast

649
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 6: majority of the game.

650
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 8: Right and they they had the lead, and I guess

651
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 8: you could say early on in the game it worked

652
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 8: for them because he throws the pick, the Douglas and

653
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 8: all that kind of stuff. But then as he settled

654
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 8: into the game, you know, him and Popp were torching

655
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Speaker 8: them on those crossing grounds.

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Speaker 6: Pop was beating that he was twenty three, I think.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so he was.

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Speaker 5: Talking about the sideline, the iselin.

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Speaker 6: To the touchdown. He beat him so quickly that it

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Speaker 6: didn't matter about pass protection, None of it mattered. He

661
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Speaker 6: was coming across the field with nobody within five yards

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Speaker 6: of him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 8: So when you look at him and statistically, Douglas is

665
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Speaker 8: turning into one of the best man coverage route runners

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Speaker 8: in the league. I mean, he's been really, really good

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Speaker 8: in terms of beating man coverage. Now he's got a

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Speaker 8: quarterback that can get him the ball in those situations.

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Speaker 8: Like if I'm defenses, you have to change, Like you

670
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Speaker 8: can't just come in here and play them straight up

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Speaker 8: like the Texans did. They thought they were going to

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Speaker 8: rush five guys that they were going to play man

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Speaker 8: to man across the board and the Patriots weren't going

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Speaker 8: to be able to move the ball on them, and

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Speaker 8: they were able to move the ball a little bit.

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Speaker 8: So I would be worried about doing that moving forward.

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Speaker 4: All right. Eight five five Pats five hundred is the

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Speaker 4: TPX Hotline podcast at Patriots dot Com. Is the email address.

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Speaker 4: So we've just touched on, you know, some of the Patriots, Drake.

680
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Speaker 4: There's a lot more to you know, delve into the

681
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Speaker 4: defense is an issue, the offensive line, you know, who

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Speaker 4: are the receivers that might emerge this season. I was

683
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Speaker 4: surprised Kendrick Bourne was a little quieter than I thought

684
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Speaker 4: he might be in this little bit second game.

685
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Speaker 6: I think he's still he says he's still working.

686
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Speaker 5: Said it would take him a little bit. But I

687
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Speaker 5: thought the surprise was that Booty played the most snaps

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Speaker 5: of anybody. I mean, he's kind of emerged. He's I

689
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Speaker 5: didn't think he dressed the first two Some.

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Speaker 4: Of us thought he was pretty good.

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Speaker 5: You know, I thought he was okay. I mean I

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Speaker 5: always thought like I thought it was kind of him

693
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Speaker 5: and Rager were kind of the bubble guys, and I

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Speaker 5: thought Rager was better.

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Speaker 6: I think that illustrates the problems you have offensively. What

696
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Speaker 6: that he's that he the most snaps.

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Speaker 4: I don't care as long as he's producing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll let you know when he does.

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Speaker 8: I don't know snap snaps to me, I thought you

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Speaker 8: were talking about pop like pop is there a number Booty?

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Speaker 6: You said, Oh, we were talking about Booty.

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Speaker 4: I said, Mike you, oh, I was talking about some

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Speaker 4: of us thought Booty was good.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's what you said.

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Speaker 4: Some of us thought that.

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Speaker 6: We all thought Douglas was good. Some some think that

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Speaker 6: he is a pro bowler who was going to catch

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Speaker 6: one hundred and twenty passes. I'm sorry I clapped back

709
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Speaker 6: at that. I thought that was insane who said that

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Speaker 6: Tom Curran predicted he was going to catch one hundred

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Speaker 6: and twenty balls. If he catches one hundred and twenty balls,

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Speaker 6: he will not be in one.

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Speaker 5: Piece this show.

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Speaker 6: But that's what that's the way he's talked about, all right.

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Speaker 6: Another writer, Chris Price called him a poor man's Tyreek Hill,

716
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Speaker 6: who also said he has he's a threat to score

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Speaker 6: every time he gets the ball, despite the fact that

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Speaker 6: he recorded his first career touchdown on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if that's that inaccurated poor man's.

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Speaker 6: This is where we this is what we did. But

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Speaker 6: I can think he's a good player without you mocking me.

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Speaker 4: But what do you think that means? A poor man's

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Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill.

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Speaker 6: I don't think he has anything in common with Tyreek Hill.

725
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Speaker 6: What He's not anywhere near as thick as Tyreek Hill

726
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Speaker 6: explosive as Tyreek Hill the strong hands to go up

727
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Speaker 6: and win contested catches like.

728
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Speaker 4: Tyreek I think he's quick and small.

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Speaker 6: Not even to mention the flate, the flat out straight

730
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Speaker 6: line speed that Tyreek Hill has. It's he's shifted. I

731
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Speaker 6: like Pop Douglas is a good shifty slot receiver.

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Speaker 4: Poor man's Tyreek Kill.

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Speaker 5: What does you think? What's going on with him?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 6: This guy, this guy we're talking about. We're talking about

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Speaker 6: Douglas stuff, winning routes within a millise mister touchdown, thirty

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Speaker 6: five yard crossing routs want to talk about maybe.

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Speaker 5: No, but I I look, I was, I was disappointed.

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Speaker 5: I've been a fan of his. I think he's a

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Speaker 5: good player. I think he's got a lot of potential.

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Speaker 4: I want to ask about this though. Okay, so he

742
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 4: did not have a good game, poke.

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Speaker 6: But up to this point, like that's three in a

744
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Speaker 6: row he's been okay's games like that in a row.

745
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Speaker 4: Because he couldn't get his feet in the week.

746
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Speaker 6: Because he hasn't caught passes when he's been throwing.

747
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Speaker 5: The ball to him, get throw the ball.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I gave you the numbers. The last game he's

749
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Speaker 6: got ten catchers on twenty three targets on the season.

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Speaker 5: It was just what was it like, two three drops?

751
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Speaker 5: I mean it was, you know, I don't know if

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Speaker 5: they all qualified as but I thought there was. He's

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Speaker 5: targeted four times that I think he should have.

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Speaker 6: I'm not worried about the drops because the drops, I've

755
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Speaker 6: watched them all summer. I think he has good hands.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened

757
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Speaker 6: on Sunday. That's what I worry about. The other balls

758
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Speaker 6: that are intended for him, that that are not connecting,

759
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Speaker 6: which seems to happen more often than not. Dropping the

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Speaker 6: ball is not necessarily something. I'm worried. And we'll see.

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Speaker 6: You could maybe maybe it's mental now when he's got

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Speaker 6: the yips.

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Speaker 4: So I have to go back. But I can't remember,

764
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Speaker 4: like up until this week me saying, boy, that's a ball.

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Speaker 4: He should have really had yea poke.

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Speaker 6: But I'm just telling you when the ball was thrown

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Speaker 6: to him, it's not completed, but it was.

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Speaker 4: I know that he's not open, but that doesn't mean

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Speaker 4: that every time him that that it's the receiver's fall.

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Speaker 4: Like some of the.

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Speaker 6: Partly it is because he's not getting open enough that

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Speaker 6: the pass can be completed.

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Speaker 7: I mean he runs a corner on third down.

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Speaker 8: I guess that was one that he was You know,

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Speaker 8: he runs that route down the sideline on second and

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Speaker 8: two when he's covered like a blanket and has to

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Speaker 8: turn into a defensive back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, is that his fault.

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Speaker 6: Yes, you're supposed to get open. That's what the offensive

780
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Speaker 6: coordinator said. We didn't win on the route. No, that's

781
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Speaker 6: part of it. When you get targeted seven times and

782
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Speaker 6: catch three balls one week and then six times and

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Speaker 6: catch one the next week. Yes, that's that's partly on

784
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Speaker 6: the receiver. It's not just wide open bad throws.

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Speaker 8: No, he has not been very good, and I would

786
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Speaker 8: say for a couple of weeks now. But I look

787
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Speaker 8: at it as mental, like I I really.

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Speaker 7: Feel like he's worried about that. He's got kind of

789
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Speaker 7: the yips with it.

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Speaker 5: MAO said, he's got to get over the hunk.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I wonder, especially coming off of what he thought was

793
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Speaker 8: a game and winning touchdown against Miami that doesn't go

794
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Speaker 8: his way on the call. You know, then he comes

795
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Speaker 8: back this week and.

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Speaker 6: Part of it too, like the map to handle that,

797
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Speaker 6: like he carried on and on and on. I like

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Speaker 6: the way he wouldn't get back in the huddle. He

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Speaker 6: kept watching the video. He's you know, he's gesturing to

800
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Speaker 6: the crowd. Two more plays here, like that was second

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Speaker 6: down next, you know, like if that happened to Tom,

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Speaker 6: I mean, I know it's unfair, but if that happened

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Speaker 6: to Tom Brady, you know what would have happened on

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Speaker 6: one of the next two plays.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he would. But that's fair enough, you know.

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Speaker 6: And again, I'm not worried as much about the fact

807
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 6: that he dropped too easy passes. Everybody's going to focus

808
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Speaker 6: on that. I mean, obviously, sorry. One of them was

809
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 6: like a power dribble. Yeah, like he had a chance

810
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Speaker 6: that came in and just like knocked it down. It

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Speaker 6: looks like, do remember when Brandon Marshall wanted out of Denver?

812
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Speaker 6: When Josh got there and he yeah, do you remember

813
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Speaker 6: Brandon Marshall.

814
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Speaker 5: Baby were alive?

815
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Speaker 6: Then he literally was throwing passes to the ground. He

816
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 6: would catch passes that trade camp and and throw him

817
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Speaker 6: to the because he wanted out. That's what it was like.

818
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Speaker 6: But I watched him all summer. He didn't drop and

819
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Speaker 6: no training camp I think that's just why I'm a

820
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 6: little bit so I'm not as worried about dropping a

821
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Speaker 6: couple of passes, unless, like Evan said, like maybe it's

822
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Speaker 6: a mental thing that's now in his head that that

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Speaker 6: would be something to be concerned about moving forward. I'm

824
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Speaker 6: more sort of worried about him off the field, Like

825
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Speaker 6: I don't know what you're gonna I know you guys

826
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Speaker 6: are gonna jump on this and say Paul's being negative again,

827
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Speaker 6: and I don't mean it, but like in training camp

828
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Speaker 6: when he kind of yelled at us like for not

829
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Speaker 6: being on board, like if you don't believe in us, now,

830
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Speaker 6: we don't want you. Like this is a kid who

831
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Speaker 6: hadn't even played a game yet, and he's already chastising

832
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Speaker 6: the fans for not being on board with the wide

833
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 6: receiver room, and back to back weeks he's posting videos

834
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Speaker 6: on the Monday after an incomplete pass, trying to tell

835
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Speaker 6: you why it's a complete pass when both of them

836
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 6: were incomplete, and I just wonder.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like I.

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Speaker 5: Thought I would. And I really like the kid a lot.

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Speaker 6: I mean, calling him a football player, I like a

840
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 6: lot of them. I don't like him as much as

841
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 6: you might element, but I like a lot of what

842
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 6: he brings physically to a football team. I think he's

843
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 6: a football player.

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Speaker 5: I think the bigger issue is and it goes back

845
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Speaker 5: to kind of the booty of it all was, you know,

846
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 5: and Evan you said paying a lot of snaps doesn't

847
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 5: necessarily mean much. And I do think it's a reflection

848
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Speaker 5: kind of the Paul's point of that they're not really

849
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Speaker 5: getting production from the other guys. And Douglas you like,

850
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 5: and Bourne's coming back, and I agree with Fred's point

851
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 5: earlier saying will get a little bit more. He'll get there,

852
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 5: I hope. But I think I'm just looking at Polk

853
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 5: saying you're the guy, You're the second round pick, You're

854
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 5: the one who needs to.

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00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 6: Those you want him to be the third and right now.

856
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 5: Is compliment Douglas, and you know and and and you

857
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 5: want him to do it for May because you think

858
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 5: this is a guy who's got some size and and

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Speaker 5: and and is able to bring a different element to

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Speaker 5: Douglas and to develop a chemistry.

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Speaker 6: So with Holk, I just want it like again. And

862
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 6: I know how sometimes I get perceived, and I I

863
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 6: am not given up on jail and Polk. I've heard

864
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 6: a little of that this week on on my shows,

865
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 6: not necessarily my show Mike and Tony, because I haven't

866
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 6: really heard them because they had a Bruins game yesterday.

867
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Speaker 6: But some of the other guys are like, oh, this

868
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 6: is another second round bus And I'm like, the guy's

869
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 6: played like they've played six games. Like can we give

870
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 6: him like a chance to sort of have some success,

871
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 6: have some failure. See how he reacts, you know, see

872
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 6: how he fights through it, like Taekwon Thornton made some

873
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 6: plays early on as a rookie. Remember the game in

874
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 6: Cleveland with Zappi where all of a sudden it looked like, Hey,

875
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 6: this guy might have something, and then he never built

876
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 6: on that, you know, and then it's sort of steadily declined.

877
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 6: Let's see if Polk is different. Maybe he's having a

878
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 6: little bit of a rough patch here. Maybe he responds

879
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 6: and catches five balls next week and we're all having

880
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 6: a whole different conversation. I'm not giving up on Polk.

881
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 8: It's very weird to me because his film is the

882
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 8: absolute opposite of what I expected it to be. I

883
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 8: expected him to make those catches but not get open.

884
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 8: But he's getting open, he's not making the catches. It's

885
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 8: like really bizarre watching him at Washington. I just expected

886
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 8: him to be like this contested catch, you know, over

887
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 8: the middle type of receiver and be able to win

888
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 8: in traffic and you know, make those difficult catches. But

889
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 8: that's hasn't been the case. What the problem is, He's

890
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 8: getting open, like he gets open on the game winning touchdown,

891
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 8: Like he's open, he just doesn't make the catch. You know,

892
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 8: he got open early on in this game on a

893
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 8: go route on the throw to Douglas the first interception.

894
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 8: He's he's got a step on the corner on the

895
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 8: outside on the go route and Drake just didn't get

896
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 8: to him and threw it over the middle, like he

897
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 8: gets open on film, and now he's not catching the ball.

898
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 8: And it's just like that was the exact opposite of

899
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 8: what I thought.

900
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 6: Maybe that switches next week, Maybe maybe he makes a

901
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 6: couple of those catches early on, and it's a whole difference.

902
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 5: A really good conversation. That's why I kind of threw

903
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 5: the hammer down just to talk, because I was curious

904
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 5: what you guys thought about it. All the really interesting

905
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 5: points everybody made about It's just there's something not quite right.

906
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 5: And I continue to really like the player, and you know,

907
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 5: think that he can contribute, and i'd expect at some

908
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 5: point with all the work that him and May put

909
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 5: in the summer together and you know, the you know

910
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 5: that May right now feels like I gotta get my

911
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 5: guy going. You know, I got to get this. You know,

912
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 5: you feel like there was a connection between them this summer.

913
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 5: Hopefully they're able to do it.

914
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 6: You know, some of that mental stuff with May too,

915
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 6: you know, back to him, because that's all I care

916
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 6: about it. But with you were talking about the practice

917
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 6: and all the all the work he did with Polk

918
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 6: and stuff like that. Do you remember like some of

919
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 6: those late practice got to have it plays on the

920
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 6: goal line, the red zone plays to him, you know,

921
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 6: and they well there was to Booty as well, and

922
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 6: I wanted to just bring it up because it was

923
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 6: like he would almost always talk after it. He goes, yeah,

924
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 6: you know, like Polk would say, well he looked at

925
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 6: me and said, you know, I'm coming to you because

926
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 6: pre snap he would recognize the coverage or whatever it was.

927
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 6: You know, he did the same thing with Booty on

928
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 6: a red zone thing. He gave him an opportunity, and

929
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 6: that's to me what the most impressive part was when

930
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 6: everyone was talking about some of the things you saw mentally,

931
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 6: like doing the right thing to his progression. He recognized

932
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 6: on the touchdown to Booty it was right away, you know,

933
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 6: it's going to be man on the outside and that's

934
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 6: going to be my matchup. That's where I'm going if

935
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 6: you somehow someone chose to clap back at Evan saying

936
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 6: his footwork was a mess on that play.

937
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 7: Which is which I don't get. I don't still, I

938
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 7: don't know.

939
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm gonna harp on it because you know,

940
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 6: it's it was ridiculous. But the fact that he's able

941
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 6: to like, that's the stuff that we talked about that

942
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 6: separated Brady. You know, like just how many times now

943
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 6: I'm not saying that doing it once means you're Brady,

944
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 6: you know, obviously it doesn't. But that's the kind of

945
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 6: stuff that I would be excited about. Like his near turnovers.

946
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 6: I mean, I know we had three turnovers. He had

947
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 6: some others that would kind of loose, but it wasn't

948
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 6: because he was throwing into double coverage. It wasn't because

949
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 6: he was misreading making. He was making some inaccurate throws

950
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 6: at times, which which put the ball at peril at times,

951
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 6: which is not good. I'm not saying that's good, but

952
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 6: I would rather that. I'd rather him overthrow Demario Douglas

953
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 6: and get it picked off, then have him thrown into

954
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 6: a defensive team meeting and get it picked up. The same,

955
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 6: The results the same, Right, But I would rather have

956
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:08,479
Speaker 6: the first than.

957
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 4: The last, because he work with the guy, right.

958
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 6: You know what, he fooled me. He was right there.

959
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 6: I didn't know. I didn't I didn't see the linebacker

960
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 6: underneath or whatever.

961
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 5: It's exactly what I said on the pregame show. That

962
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 5: was like, you know, just don't throw those plays. And

963
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 5: he didn't throw that. There were turnovers he didn't.

964
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 7: But you know that's with the draft.

965
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 8: You know, it goes back to like, would you rather

966
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 8: a guy like Zach Wilson who doesn't know what he's

967
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 8: seeing and doesn't see the field well and it's just

968
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 8: has all the talent, but you can't get him over

969
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 8: the hump because of that, or a mac Jones who

970
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 8: doesn't necessarily have the physical talent, or a guy like

971
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 8: Drake May who just is a little rough around the

972
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 8: edges he has he sees the field well, he's got

973
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 8: the arm talent, and now he's got to be a

974
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 8: little bit.

975
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 7: More consistently accurate.

976
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 8: Like I would take Drake May ten times out of

977
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 8: ten because you can work with that.

978
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 5: I mean, if you had to pick a like a thing,

979
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 5: like you're gonna get a quarterback and he's gonna have

980
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 5: one thing you gotta work on, I mean you that

981
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 5: very well might be the W and you pick like

982
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 5: you've got everything else. But it's got to settle down.

983
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 4: And all right, let's get to the TPX hotline and

984
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 4: some of our emailers, uh, because our listeners are chomping

985
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 4: at the bit to get involved.

986
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 5: Here.

987
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 4: We'll start with Sean and Vancouver. What's up Sean? Hey?

988
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 9: Everyone, you know, I think Matt has been getting better

989
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 9: every week on the pre and post team show, So

990
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 9: shout out to him.

991
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 4: We will get better faster, Poke or Matt.

992
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 9: Well, that's I think Matt unfortunately, but.

993
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 6: Okay, we might have a treat for you your listeners

994
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:36,959
Speaker 6: this week.

995
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 5: What's gonna happen? Special guest, Special guests, Special guests.

996
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 6: Not necessarily new, but special given a lot away there

997
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 6: coming back.

998
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 9: I don't know.

999
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 5: What No.

1000
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 6: Eight to fifteen. By the way, eight fifteen am Eastern,

1001
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 6: don't miss it. Condemned the pregame breakfast Wimbledon.

1002
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, anyway, Mike on the pregame show. Maybe by the

1003
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 9: number sixteen you meant Jim Plunkett and going back to

1004
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 9: the early seventies with that throwback uniform, the pat Patriot

1005
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 9: at midfield and Drake May's first touchdown was a deep

1006
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 9: past the booty by Daryl Stingley's grandson. So the result

1007
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 9: in nostalgia with that play and we're all encouraged by

1008
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 9: what we call from May on Sunday. But my question

1009
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 9: is will we make progress next week in London? That's

1010
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 9: that's the big question. And how will Jacksonville Just sorry,

1011
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 9: I'll leave it on that, thank you.

1012
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 5: I mean, I thought we had some good discussion of that,

1013
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 5: how they might start to adjust and you know, I

1014
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 5: think I think the biggest thing for me, maybe for

1015
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 5: the panel is you know, what kind of challenge is

1016
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 5: it going to present for a rookie quarterback having to

1017
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 5: travel internationally. You guys are going to be leaving Thursday night.

1018
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 5: They'll have a practice on Friday in England. They'll have

1019
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 5: a walkthrough on Saturday. You know, what are the challenges

1020
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 5: for him, especially when you hear NFL veterans just talk

1021
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 5: about how important it is for routine, and hey, what,

1022
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 5: he's six seven weeks in. I mean, I'm sure he doesn't,

1023
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 5: you know, isn't that embedded in his routine? So maybe

1024
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 5: that can be a good thing, But I think it's

1025
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 5: it's it's an interesting little challenge for him. And to

1026
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 5: say it is.

1027
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 4: It's a seven hour flight, I'm hoping, you know, including myself,

1028
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 4: everyone gets some sleep because.

1029
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 6: That long seven hours.

1030
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, that going that way, that's what they said, seven

1031
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:18,959
Speaker 4: hour flight.

1032
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 5: How long was Germany?

1033
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 6: Yeah? I felt like Germany was seven hours eight This

1034
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 6: is five.

1035
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 4: Yeah. But so it's a long flight, and then you

1036
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 4: have the time change going forward. So you get off

1037
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 4: the you know, you get on the plane, it's like

1038
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 4: seven point thirty here PM and you get there. They

1039
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 4: don't get to the hotel till nine o'clock in the

1040
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 4: morning England, so you go right into it. You know.

1041
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 4: So if you're going to get some sleep, it has

1042
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 4: to be on the plane. So it makes it tough

1043
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 4: for everybody.

1044
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 5: You know, I'm so jealous. I forget which player was,

1045
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 5: but somebody was like, how is the flight. He's like,

1046
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 5: I don't know. I conked out in Boston. I woke

1047
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 5: up in Germany last year.

1048
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 4: Good for him, that was. But you know a lot

1049
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 4: of people we'll talk about this, you know, like did

1050
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 4: the Jaguars have a distinct advantage because they've been in

1051
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 4: England the whole week and they played last week and

1052
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 4: they stayed But that could also have a disadvantage because

1053
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 4: like he knew, like the bits, we had those two

1054
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 4: games on the road and you did the you know

1055
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 4: that you stayed out there like we did last you know,

1056
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, the camp the.

1057
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 8: Players regular season, just Brown Trent Brown's training camp, but

1058
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 8: Arizona dropping was a Cardinals Raiders back to back.

1059
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 7: The Jacobe Myers game was the second.

1060
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 4: Like, we don't even want to go to overtime. Webe

1061
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 4: it's time, So maybe it's a disadvantage.

1062
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 5: Who knows, how can we end this now? I don't

1063
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 5: even want to get on that plane.

1064
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 8: I feel comfortable making that joke now because the players

1065
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 8: joke about it.

1066
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 4: Okay.

1067
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 6: The Jacksonville thing too, is that can go different ways.

1068
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously, you know, both teams are one and five.

1069
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 6: But you know, we just talked for you know, you know,

1070
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 6: fifty minutes about how excited we are just bite being

1071
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 6: one and five. It's not like that in Jacksonville, right,

1072
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 6: It's totally the opposite. They were supposed to be good

1073
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 6: or at least competitive, and they haven't been. And I

1074
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 6: don't know if you watch much, you know, if you

1075
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 6: check out Red Zone Paul in the pregame show, there

1076
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 6: was just an immense lack of effort on Jacksonville's part

1077
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 6: defensively in the second half of the game. I thought

1078
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 6: they they came to play. I thought that they were

1079
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 6: the better team for the better part of the first half.

1080
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 6: They dropped a couple of touchdown passes. Gabe Davis had

1081
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 6: a really bad drop touchdown. They ended up having to

1082
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 6: settle for a field goal, then moving the ball, and

1083
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 6: then they started dropping the ball a little bit. And

1084
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, the Bears looked like, you know,

1085
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 6: a Super Bowl caliber team. And that wasn't just because

1086
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 6: Chicago started playing well. They had to get some help.

1087
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Speaker 7: I'm excited about this matchup for Drake Bay. I'm not

1088
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 7: gonna lie this. This Jaguars defense is not.

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00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 6: Not good at thirty second in the league past defense.

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00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, thirty second in the league in DVA, thirty first

1091
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 8: in points allowed. They give up a lot of yards

1092
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Speaker 8: to scramble, you know, mobile quarterbacks too. On the ground,

1093
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 8: Caleb had a couple of big runs in the game

1094
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Speaker 8: on Sunday.

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00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 7: They they've struggled a lot on defense.

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Speaker 4: So the Rookie of the Year push starts next week.

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't go that far, but he should have a

1098
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 8: good game like this should he should not be The.

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Speaker 6: Question is terrors acl tomorrow, would he still be the

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Speaker 6: rookie of the year.

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Speaker 5: It's uh, it's I mean, in a little in some ways,

1102
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 5: it's kind of a cautionary tale to me because I

1103
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Speaker 5: really like Trayvon Walker coming out. I mean when I

1104
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 5: first started the process, he wasn't the first overall pick,

1105
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 5: and then he was. I know, Tyson Campbell hasn't played,

1106
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 5: but yeah, you know, everybody here love Devin Lloyd. You know,

1107
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 5: there are so many people and Patriots banging for Devin Lloyd.

1108
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 5: Anton Harrison was another guy that everybody looked at as

1109
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 5: a tackle that was like, you know, so they kind

1110
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 5: of have a lot of like Brian Thomas, who I've

1111
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 5: been like blown away by.

1112
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 6: Watching him, Like Josh Allen, he's been quiet.

1113
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 5: I mean, but they have like yeah, thank you. But

1114
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 5: you look at like the pieces and when you know

1115
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 5: you're looking at the Patriots like next offseason, the pieces

1116
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 5: you want to check. And I feel like the Jaguars

1117
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 5: have a lot of those players at least initially that

1118
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 5: you would have thought would to check those bucks. But

1119
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 5: it's not equal.

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Speaker 6: As how their offensive line has been. And I know

1121
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 6: that that can be a huge you know, we know

1122
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 6: what's happened here. But you have a quarterback who's at

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00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 6: least shown that he can be productive. I mean, I

1124
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 6: don't know how good Trevor Lawrence is, but he's shown

1125
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 6: he can be good at times. You have three receivers

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00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 6: that you probably feel decent about sure with Kirk Thomas

1127
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 6: and Gabe Davis and right, you have a good you

1128
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 6: have a good tight end in Evan Ingram. You have

1129
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 6: two productive backs in Travis Atn and Tank Bigsby, And

1130
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 6: yet you can't get more than I think they're averaging

1131
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 6: nineteen points a game.

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Speaker 4: And you got a coach head coaches offensive minded.

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00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, won a Super Bowl, not a tight pants

1134
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 6: guy though he's not a guy for sure.

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00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 8: Yeah, but they are offensively, you know, watching the Chicago game,

1136
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 8: I I don't think Trevor Lawrence is the problem there.

1137
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 6: Like Trevor I buddy played really well the other day.

1138
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 6: I watched a lot of that game.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I mean, granted I haven't watched every game that he's played,

1141
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 8: you know, closely, but he he had three touchdown passes

1142
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 8: on one drive and they dropped off them all.

1143
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1144
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know what else you want him

1145
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 8: to do. They have fourteen drop passes this season, and.

1146
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 6: They're getting dropped passes by like NFL. It's not like,

1147
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 6: you know, you got some guy off the practice squad

1148
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 6: who's filling in Davis. You know, Gabe Davis and Brian

1149
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 6: Thomas and Christian Kirk should be you know, they shouldn't

1150
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 6: be dropping fourteen passes combined.

1151
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 8: I mean, he made the booty throw to Gabe Davis

1152
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 8: down my right sideline that was like a forty fifty

1153
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 8: yard bomb right on the money, and Gabe Davis just

1154
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 8: drops it. Yeah, like he's walking, you know, running into

1155
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 8: the end zone. He just drops me.

1156
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 6: They come out in the second half, I think they

1157
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 6: were down seventeen to three at half something like that.

1158
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 6: They come out, they get the ball first play, you know,

1159
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 6: nice seam shot to Evan and Ingram for like twenty

1160
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 6: five yards. He fumbles, Yeah, like as he's getting tackled.

1161
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 6: Like they just couldn't get out of their own way.

1162
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 6: And you know, and I know that Lawrence hasn't been good,

1163
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 6: like on the balance of the season, Lawrence has been

1164
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 6: after the last But this game that.

1165
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 7: He played the other day was really good.

1166
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 6: And even the stats won't tell you. He was better

1167
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 6: than the stats. Even the pick. The pick came late,

1168
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 6: like the game, the game was long decided. He was

1169
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 6: just you know, and he threw a he threw a pick.

1170
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 6: But there's there's no reason for them to be that bad.

1171
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 4: Now.

1172
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 6: If they decide they're gonna just feel sorry for themselves

1173
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 6: like Trent Brown did in in Vegas a couple of

1174
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 6: years ago, then the Patriots could really have some fun

1175
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 6: on Sunday. But if they show up to play, it's

1176
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 6: not a The one in five record is not commensurate

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Speaker 6: with their talent.

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00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, just really quickly with the Trayvon Walker. This is

1179
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 8: a cautionary tale to me of having the number one

1180
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 8: pick with a quarterback. It's a terrible place to be

1181
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 8: when you have the number one overall pick in a draft,

1182
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 8: but you have a quarterback. You don't need to take

1183
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 8: a quarterback with the pick. And it wasn't a quarterback draft.

1184
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 8: This one might have a couple like Shador and some

1185
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 8: other guys. But when you get stuck with the number

1186
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 8: one overall pick and you have Trevor Lawrence and you

1187
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 8: have Drake May and then there's no quarterback that anybody

1188
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 8: wants to trade up for, and you get stuck with

1189
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 8: taking a player who's.

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Speaker 7: Really not worth the number one over trade out of there.

1191
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 4: No, but that's the point nobody will trade with you.

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Speaker 6: The other thing about Walker too, I thought you were

1193
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 6: going to say a cautionary tale of a guy who

1194
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 6: kind of the longer the process went, the higher he

1195
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 6: was regarded, you know. And it's like when I.

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00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 5: First started it, I was like, this seems guy in

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00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 5: our range and were were like fifteen or something at

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00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 5: that point, Like, you know, those to.

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Speaker 6: Me are the cautionary tails, ye, Mike Mamoula.

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Speaker 8: I mean, like Aiden Hutchinson's just sitting right there. Sauce

1201
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 8: Gardner was in that draft. They passed on both those guys.

1202
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 8: But if you're the Patriots and you get the number

1203
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 8: one pick, you want to trade out of that pick. Yeah,

1204
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 8: that's that's the ideal scenario. So you better hope one

1205
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 8: of those quarterbacks to, you know, play as well down

1206
00:52:59,480 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 8: the stretch.

1207
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Speaker 4: Wants somebody to emerge. Sam in North Carolina, what's up?

1208
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 5: Sam?

1209
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 4: Hey?

1210
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 5: Sam?

1211
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 6: Oh?

1212
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 10: Does he say anything that Drake May just continues the

1213
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 10: christ in the face of adversity, Like he throws the

1214
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 10: really bad overthrow and then he put down lady. I mean,

1215
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 10: I feel like the guy looked pretty good. I mean

1216
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 10: the turnovers and obviously, but for his first start and

1217
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 10: do what he did, I think he was pretty helse.

1218
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, we were all saying I think Evin mentioned

1219
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 4: and I think May said it himself. They asked him,

1220
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 4: what did you like the best about that first game?

1221
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 4: He said, you know, having to deal with adversity and

1222
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 4: in getting better after it.

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00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 6: You know, there are a lot of things to like. Yeah,

1224
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 6: what we saw toughness, you know, mental, mental and physical toughness,

1225
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 6: you know, some of some of the athleticism, good stuff. Yeah,

1226
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 6: he got hit and he got kept getting out.

1227
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 5: It sounds like the guys in the huddle really, you know,

1228
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 5: like his demeanor felt you know, some confidence from him,

1229
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 5: which you know as a rookie, you're just happy to

1230
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 5: see him out there.

1231
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and just crazy like to have an operation where

1232
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 8: like they can they can kind of score once they

1233
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 8: crossed the fifty. Like, when's the last time we could

1234
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 8: say that about this team? You always talk about Paul's things, like,

1235
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 8: you know, an NFL play, Like there.

1236
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 6: Were NFL plays on Sunday all over the.

1237
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 8: Place, Like you know, Pop Douglas a thirty five yard touchdown,

1238
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 8: he beats his man, Drake puts it on the money.

1239
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 8: An NFL play houses it. I was like, when's the

1240
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 8: last time we've seen.

1241
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 4: That didn't get caught from behind?

1242
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, bumble or they weren't stopping.

1243
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 6: But just like if it was all plays like the

1244
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 6: one that he he bought time and hit Hunter Henry

1245
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 6: for thirty yards, I wouldn't be anywhere near was excited. Nope,

1246
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 6: Like those are plays that are going to happen because

1247
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 6: he's really athletic and he's really good and once in

1248
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 6: a while you're going to make those plays. But that

1249
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 6: those are kind of useless if that's what you're relying on. Yeah,

1250
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 6: but when it's one of you know, in a drive

1251
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 6: of eight other plays that were normal plays, then that

1252
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 6: makes you dangerous. Like that those plays become that much better.

1253
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 5: Ice man, you're dangerous.

1254
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 8: Even the touchdown to Henry, like he's a wide open receiver.

1255
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 8: But like when you watch his eyes on that play,

1256
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 8: it's a wide delay and he doesn't he doesn't go

1257
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 8: to Henry right away. He sells it. You know, he

1258
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 8: knows like I'm gonna look right to get the defense

1259
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 8: so to draw away and then we're gonna come back

1260
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 8: last second to Henry instead of staring it down like

1261
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 8: those little things were what you know, all the quarterbacker

1262
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Speaker 8: who has told me that he wasn't doing.

1263
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Speaker 5: One thing I thought about with that play. Kind of

1264
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 5: an interesting place. They had a couple of double teams

1265
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 5: where you got to make sure those offensive linemen don't

1266
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 5: get downfield, huh, Like I mean, you're really selling that

1267
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 5: kind of run action and then he's gonna just pull

1268
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 5: up and you know, that's an interesting time.

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Speaker 6: Especially the way they're calling everything this year.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, such as.

1271
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 6: A flag on every big play.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the touchdown to Henry was a it was a

1273
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 8: like a duo action where they had all the double

1274
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 8: teams as the first time where I was like, oh,

1275
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 8: like you run duo. Then you duo played action and

1276
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 8: it worked like boom.

1277
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 5: That's how you do it.

1278
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 4: Podcast at Patriots dot com. As the email address, Quentin

1279
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 4: from Arizona writes in says, I'm a longtime listener, but

1280
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 4: first time emailer. Thank you. I want to reach out

1281
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 4: to say how impressed I was with Drake May's performance

1282
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 4: during the game. Is arm athleticism, ability to drive the

1283
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 4: ball down the field gives me actual hope for this

1284
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 4: team moving forward? Given his performance? What other position groups

1285
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 4: do you think the Patriots should focus on in the

1286
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 4: upcoming Dwell listen, I mean, well.

1287
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 7: Can we talk about your defense now, Mike?

1288
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 5: Oh, geez, Danny, because you know we have to.

1289
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 6: It's I think quarterback is the only thing that's off.

1290
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 5: To go back to quarterback.

1291
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 7: Can we talk about your defense?

1292
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 6: I I yeah, I'll just ask having one small question.

1293
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 6: It's kind of like a yes no, and then we

1294
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 6: can get to the defense. The driving the ball downfield.

1295
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 6: Obviously we all saw the forty yard play. Did you

1296
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 6: do you have the numbers like his average average air

1297
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 6: yards or whatever? Per attempt or how many passes travel

1298
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 6: beyond say, fifteen yards in the air.

1299
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Speaker 8: I don't have it off the top of my head,

1300
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 8: but is airyards per attempt were season high for a Patriot.

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00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1302
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 8: It was also the highest area arper attempt against man coverage.

1303
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 8: It was the highest passer rating against man coverage against

1304
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 8: the blitz.

1305
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 6: For the Patriots. Yeah. Like I was wondering, like now

1306
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 6: that now that we have an NFL offense or but

1307
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 6: I was, I was that's true because they really didn't

1308
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 6: They really weren't all that productive. Yeah, I was just

1309
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,959
Speaker 6: wondering how that stood in comparison, you know to other teams,

1310
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 6: which I haven't really spent five seconds comparing to. Yeah,

1311
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 6: you know, to this point.

1312
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 5: I don't want to take the show down with.

1313
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 6: Got to talk about the defense now.

1314
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 5: It's uh, you know, and again the injuries, YadA, YadA, YadA.

1315
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 5: But at a certain point you got to start to

1316
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 5: play better, and you know, I just I don't know

1317
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,919
Speaker 5: what point, Paul in this summer, like we said, twenty

1318
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 5: twenty defense like that. You know, that's kind of the

1319
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 5: vibes you're getting that there's at least a handful of

1320
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 5: spots where there are just guys there right now, and

1321
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 5: guys who aren't really progressing or getting better. And you

1322
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 5: saw with the big explosive run plays. I mean, you know,

1323
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 5: go back two weeks ago with Jacksonville, they had some

1324
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 5: you know, big big Spy had what like a sixty

1325
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 5: five yard I mean, they had some big plays on that's.

1326
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 6: Been their leading rusher. So and I know that it

1327
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 6: looks like at N is probably not going to play.

1328
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 5: That's where the hamp scares. The big plays they just

1329
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 5: i mean, Girod summed it up. It's it's tackling. It's

1330
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 5: you know, run fits, missing things that you're i mean

1331
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 5: one hundred percent they're missing Bentley. But at the same time,

1332
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 5: it's like, was Bentley that much?

1333
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 6: It's been every four weeks right, Like I understand, you know,

1334
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 6: you're scrambling around without a guy who was a good

1335
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 6: run stopper in the middle, but you haven't been able

1336
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 6: to fix it. No, Like, why why hasn't it gotten

1337
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 6: any better?

1338
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 5: And it's it's and it's not just the individual players,

1339
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 5: it's it's the team. It's the team defense.

1340
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 6: You know, this doesn't look quite right and situational and

1341
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 6: team like, And this is something I got kind of

1342
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 6: annoyed last week, Mike. I remember sitting next to you

1343
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 6: when DeMarcus Covington was talking and you know, he's citing

1344
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 6: the numbers like you know, and I forget exactly what

1345
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 6: Miami went on third down, and I'm like, yeah, well,

1346
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 6: the game deciding drive was a fifteen play drive that

1347
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 6: didn't require any third downs, like they had like one

1348
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 6: third down conversion on the on the Christianelli's pass on

1349
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 6: the first doesn't count in third down conversion. That was

1350
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 6: its bi penalty and that was it, and that was

1351
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 6: it like the rest of them, Like, you didn't stop anybody,

1352
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 6: So why are you citing this number that's that's good

1353
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 6: when you didn't play good defense. And this week it

1354
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 6: was even more accentuated. Again, I think they were four

1355
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 6: to eleven on third downs, so it wasn't a horrible

1356
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 6: performance on third down, but the other team scored forty

1357
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 6: one points. Like you had a couple of spots that

1358
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 6: you will put in that were bad spots that you

1359
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 6: handled okay, Like I think after the pick, they forced

1360
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 6: a forty yard field goal that the guy missed the chippy,

1361
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 6: but that was good defense not to allow a touchdown.

1362
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 6: You know, and I think they had another field goal

1363
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 6: that was a basically a four and out, like they

1364
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 6: took over in field goal range and right, they didn't

1365
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 6: even allow a first down. But there were others that

1366
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 6: you took over on like the twenty nine yard line

1367
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 6: and took them two places to score a touchdown, right,

1368
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 6: you know, like I understand you will put in some

1369
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 6: bad spots, but you are allowed to stop.

1370
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 5: And I think that's what's like frustrating, is that there

1371
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 5: are moments where you're like, oh, there it is, you know,

1372
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 5: like they had a couple of those kind of possessions defensively,

1373
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 5: but it's just not consistent.

1374
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 6: And didn't you feel like and I know, like Mike

1375
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 6: got mad at me this is. This might be the

1376
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 6: first time this happened. Mike got mad at me in

1377
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 6: the middle of the fourth quarter because I was in

1378
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 6: full this game has been over for a half hour mode,

1379
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 6: and Mike still thought it was competitive. And I I

1380
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 6: remember I inadvertently this is made a mocking laugh, and

1381
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 6: I think Mike got mad at me. This is. But

1382
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 6: it was right after the touchdown that the Patriots scored

1383
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 6: to make it a thirteen point game, and I believe

1384
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 6: it took Houston about forty four seconds to go sixty

1385
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 6: five seventy five yards for a touchdown, and it wasn't

1386
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 6: really a competitive drive the last fifty four of which

1387
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 6: obviously would have run. But to me, the big, the

1388
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 6: more telling play was the third and five that was

1389
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 6: completed like so effortlessly over the middle. I think it

1390
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 6: was tanked. Del They can't stop anybody when they need

1391
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 6: to stop anybody, And that's been a bad, bad trend

1392
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 6: right now, That's what it is. And that combination so

1393
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 6: that like the late game situational kind of like you

1394
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 6: needed a miracle, You're down twenty points in the fourth quarter,

1395
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 6: you need a miracle. Yeah, okay, you can't even get

1396
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 6: to the point where we're even close to getting the

1397
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 6: miracle because you get up the touchdown that it immediately

1398
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 6: restores the twenty point advantage, right like let alone like, hey,

1399
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 6: you know what, let's put some game pressure on them

1400
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 6: here and make them have to get a first down

1401
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 6: to close this game out.

1402
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 5: No, no, no.

1403
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 6: But the bigger thing to me is the way they

1404
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 6: start these games. The other team gets the ball and

1405
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,439
Speaker 6: goes right down the field. Then they get it again

1406
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 6: and go right down the field again, like you can't

1407
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 6: be down fourteen to nothing in these games and expect

1408
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 6: to win, especially against good teams.

1409
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 5: And they were, and they were close to getting a

1410
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 5: you know, to getting a stop there a couple of times.

1411
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 5: I mean they had some third downs in the penalty

1412
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 5: field goals stop stock which you know, but I again,

1413
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 5: like that's another thing where I'm like that might happen.

1414
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 5: First drive a game, the team comes out with a

1415
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 5: good plan, they go right down the field we saw

1416
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 5: with the old Patriots defense a million. Then they get

1417
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 5: a stop. It's three nothing. Okay, this is what they

1418
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 5: were doing. Let's adjust the next drive though, then it's

1419
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 5: three and out or then it's you know, a punt.

1420
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 5: But but I can get mad at you at that point.

1421
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 5: The only one I got mad at you at was

1422
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 5: on the map PHO Marcus Jones interception. And I don't

1423
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 5: even know if I should have gotten mad at you

1424
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 5: in that one, because I think you were trying to

1425
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 5: make another point because the other one was the first

1426
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 5: interference was was the yeah, the second one I said

1427
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 5: it to Fred.

1428
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 6: Live but Fred, actually Fred's been having a really like

1429
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 6: uncanny like fit, like Live being obnoxious. No, but fred

1430
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 6: Live goes no, no, no, it's mapoo underneath like Live

1431
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 6: because I was like houses on map And then I

1432
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 6: watched the replay. I kind of thought that was a

1433
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 6: ticky tack call. I thought there was more contact in

1434
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 6: the end zone on the play that ended up getting picked.

1435
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 6: I didn't really think either one of them was interference.

1436
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 5: And that's and that's why I wasn't right to.

1437
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 6: Get But if you if you were going to call one,

1438
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 6: I would have called the one in the end zone

1439
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 6: like that's where I draped on his chest with his

1440
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 6: arms on top of him before.

1441
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 7: The I thought, I thought good timing as well.

1442
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 6: I do too. I wouldn't have called it. I said

1443
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 6: that live, I wouldn't have called I wouldn't have called

1444
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 6: either one of them. But they did call one of them.

1445
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 8: I think defensively, so right, defensively, they're twenty ninth in

1446
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 8: the league in DVA, they are a bottom five defense

1447
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 8: in the league. And I just can't get to it

1448
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 8: the point where, yeah, they have injuries, they're missing guys,

1449
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 8: but to go from top ten to twenty ninth in

1450
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 8: the league like overnight, like I just that's the I

1451
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 8: can't get there that it's all the injuries, Like it's

1452
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 8: big injuries, you know, Barmore, Bentley, you Jabriel Peppers's situation,

1453
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 8: like those there big players in this defense. But you

1454
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 8: don't bottom out, like you don't lose those guys, and then.

1455
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 6: That's not the difference between having a really good defense

1456
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 6: and the worst defense in the league.

1457
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, and even on like the big touchdown round, like

1458
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 5: Dugger misses the tackle terribly, you know, like and it's

1459
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 5: like your big like those other guys are hurt, you

1460
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 5: need Kyle Dugger, the newly named captain, to make that

1461
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 5: tackle as a safety is well, you know what he's

1462
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 5: supposed to do. And those are the things that's.

1463
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 6: Just keep me.

1464
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 8: The last touchdown like didn't bother me quite as much

1465
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 8: as I was kind of with Paul like other than

1466
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 8: Drake Baygoore. But they but the the first big run

1467
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 8: the fifty nine yard or like I just even from

1468
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 8: an alignment perspective, I don't know how how they were

1469
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 8: expecting to stop that, Like they they were tilted to

1470
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 8: the weak side of the formation and they had the

1471
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 8: Texans just had the numbers.

1472
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 7: Like it was it's just simple stuff, you know.

1473
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 8: They they bring a blitz off the ball and I

1474
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 8: don't want to sign blame because I don't know, but

1475
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 8: they leave Joe Mixon uncovered in the flat, so like

1476
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 8: the blitz gets home, but there's nobody covering Joe Mixon.

1477
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 8: So it's a twenty yard play. They got beat again

1478
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 8: on the same post cross concept for a twenty six

1479
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 8: yard explosive by Stefan Diggs that San Francisco killed them

1480
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 8: with two weeks ago.

1481
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 7: So it's repeat plays.

1482
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 8: It's like the same things over and over again, and

1483
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 8: they they've completely cratered. So like, how do you not

1484
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 8: point to the coaching Like it's hard for me not to.

1485
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I did you know my memory was was

1486
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 6: right on this one, because you know, it's like we're

1487
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 6: going back. So you're within thirteen. There's nine minutes left,

1488
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 6: thing and the game is over for all intents and purposes.

1489
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 6: But you're thinking to yourself and I know, like this

1490
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 6: is where I thought you were.

1491
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 4: Upset again to score make a stop, but like.

1492
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 6: Touchdown to get within thirteen. Now make a stop and say, Okay,

1493
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 6: I'm not saying I'm just saying. Right the first play,

1494
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 6: they dial up a beautiful little screen tight end screen

1495
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 6: to Dalton Schultz and Evan immediately points ud. He goes

1496
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 6: that play should have been a touchdown. I don't know

1497
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 6: how that And you watch the replay the ball literally

1498
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 6: hit Shultz in the face mask. I don't know how

1499
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 6: we didn't catch it. So you get that break to

1500
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 6: make it second and ten, and you're how many plays

1501
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 6: they needed to go seventy yards after that?

1502
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 5: Tell me not a lot three? Oh, that's not good.

1503
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 6: They ran the ball for five yards, they threw the

1504
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 6: ball for eleven yards, and then they ran it for

1505
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 6: fifty four yards in a touchdown. Like, even after the

1506
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 6: other team is trying to help you, you still can't

1507
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 6: get out of your own way.

1508
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 4: That's not easy. But you know what is easy, But

1509
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 4: it's easy to drink, it's easy to enjoy. Bud Light

1510
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,840
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Speaker 3: All right, good morning?

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Speaker 13: You know said this last night, obviously disappointed in our

1553
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 13: performance overall. You know, we just got to play better.

1554
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 13: We got to coach better. We you know, we got

1555
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 13: to win a turnover battle. We gotta do a better

1556
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 13: job with penalties. Early in the game, had a lot

1557
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 13: of penalties that just you know, nothing good comes from that.

1558
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 13: I would say, sit in the second half, it kind

1559
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 13: of settled down as far as the penalties were concerned,

1560
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 13: but we just can't play that way defensively, I would

1561
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 13: say it just big plays. Big plays killed us. You know,

1562
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 13: they had two runs that you know, we're over fifty yards.

1563
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 13: You take those away and it looks a lot better.

1564
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 13: But at the same time, like that's what the NFL is.

1565
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 13: You got to limit those big plays and then offensively

1566
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 13: we have to make big plays. I thought yesterday overall,

1567
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 13: Drake did a good job with his reads and getting

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01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 13: the ball out.

1569
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Speaker 3: Was it perfect?

1570
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 14: No?

1571
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 13: Will he get better, absolutely, but we got to do

1572
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 13: a better job, you know, supporting you know, a rookie quarterback. Yesterday,

1573
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 13: the run game, something that we've been good at for

1574
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 13: the majority of the year, was not existent, and we

1575
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 13: just got to get back to the basics and.

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01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 15: What that will open up for questions. We'll start with

1577
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:45,959
Speaker 15: Christopher Gasper, followed by Doug Kaylee, Chris christ.

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01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 3: Christopher Price is here.

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01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 16: No, I don't know if Christopher Gasper's here.

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01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 2: Oh geez, I'm sorry, that's my fault. Chris Price. Sorry,

1581
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:56,719
Speaker 2: thank you, Stacy.

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01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.

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01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 16: Girod. Specific to Drake's performance, I'm curious to get your

1584
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 16: opinion on what you might have seen from him after

1585
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 16: rewatching the game, what you might not necessarily been cognizant

1586
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 16: of or aware of in the immediate aftermath of Sunday's contest.

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01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 13: I mean, we knew he could make plays with his legs.

1588
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 13: We knew he had a good arm and can really

1589
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 13: push the ball down the field. I would say the

1590
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 13: thing that was a pleasant surprise. He did take some

1591
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 13: shots yesterday. I think there were one or two where

1592
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 13: he got up a little bit slow, But just his

1593
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 13: overall toughness I think was on display yesterday.

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01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.

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01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 4: Good morning.

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01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 17: Draw questions for you, what made Ben Brown the right

1597
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 17: guy to start at center in that game yesterday?

1598
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 2: And then also, how do you feel.

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01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 3: Like he performed? Look, this is one of those things

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01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 3: I've never seen it before.

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01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 13: God being able to come in here, you know, after

1602
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 13: four or five days and become a starting center.

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01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 3: So he did a great job.

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01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 13: I would I would say he probably was our best

1605
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 13: lineman yesterday, and he did a good job for us.

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01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 13: He did a good job all through the week during practice.

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01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 3: Uh. And then went out there and.

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01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 2: Performed for the work and I love quick one.

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01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 17: On Joe Cardona, I think he was listening with a

1610
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 17: calf injury on the injury report, but then I think

1611
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 17: that was updated to a personal reason. Just want to

1612
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 17: get some clarification on why Cardona missed the game.

1613
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 13: Yeah, I don't want to talk about the exact incident.

1614
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 3: He had a family matter that he needed to attend

1615
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 3: to and we allowed that to happen. Thank you.

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01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 15: Next question, Mike Greese, and over the second guys, there's

1617
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 15: some background noise. I'm gonna viewe all lines and then

1618
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 15: we'll come back on you. Okay, we'll try that again.

1619
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 18: Mike Greece, you mentioned the two runs over fifty yards

1620
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 18: when you went back to watch them on the tape.

1621
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,759
Speaker 19: What did you see that contributed to allowing those runs?

1622
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 13: Poor run fits, poor tackling, and then we couldn't catch them.

1623
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 18: And in the game situation question that worked out for

1624
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 18: you at the end of the second quarter on the

1625
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:26,759
Speaker 18: illegal shift penalty, when you I think you didn't decline

1626
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,839
Speaker 18: it to make it third and ten.

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01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 3: No, we declined.

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01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 13: We declined it because it was a seven yard We

1629
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 13: thought those two yards would be beneficial if we had

1630
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 13: to kick.

1631
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 20: The ball, gotcha. I just wanted to follow up on

1632
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,839
Speaker 20: that and they end up missing the field, right, Yes,

1633
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:47,520
Speaker 20: got it? Okay, thank you, Mark Daniels.

1634
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 2: Steel Adrian, good morning.

1635
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 21: But some shuffling going on with your receiver depth chart

1636
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 21: of late I mean type one third and healthy scratch

1637
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 21: kJ Osbourne didn't play any snaps and obviously Khon Boody

1638
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 21: played the most apps.

1639
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 3: I just wonder if you could sort of, you.

1640
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 21: Know, tell us, you know, what's going on to some

1641
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 21: of the shuffling and changes over the first six weeks

1642
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 21: off with your receiver group.

1643
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could put it on. It's the same thing

1644
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 3: that we're going through with the offensive line.

1645
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 13: I think you know, when I look at the film,

1646
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 13: it's Booty, it's Pop, it's Osbourne, and we need the

1647
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 13: rest of those guys to step up and make plus

1648
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:28,560
Speaker 13: Thank you, Thank you, and Steel.

1649
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 2: Mor and Girod.

1650
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 3: Sorry sorry that I'm met Born. That's a Born. Sorry

1651
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 3: you said Osborne. I met I'm at Bourne. Sorry about that.

1652
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:43,839
Speaker 2: Just to clear it up. Everyone else to step up, Yeah, gotcha.

1653
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 14: Talking to Pop Douglas in the locker room yesterday, kind

1654
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 14: of to the point about the receivers. Pop mentioned that

1655
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 14: he understands that the offense is young and that they

1656
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 14: all need to.

1657
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 2: Grow together, so to speak.

1658
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 14: Is that something that you the coaching state are cognizant of.

1659
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 14: And what's it like to just hear from a player

1660
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,680
Speaker 14: taking kind of accountability looking around the room and you know,

1661
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,679
Speaker 14: taking those steps together as a group.

1662
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 3: Have you seen have you seen that before?

1663
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 2: Maybe in your career.

1664
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 13: Look, you want to go out there and be able

1665
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 13: to play, you know with a certain set of guys

1666
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 13: for the season. Obviously, through injuries and things like that,

1667
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 13: stuff pops up. That's why I always preach to you know,

1668
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 13: some of the backup players to prepare us if you're

1669
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 13: the starter. But I understand, you know, whether we're talking

1670
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 13: about receivers or linebackers, whatever, you know, you want to

1671
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 13: have that level of being comfortable with the guys out

1672
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 13: there with you. And you know, we gotta we got

1673
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 13: to study the ship at some point in time, whether

1674
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 13: we're talking about the offensive line or the receivers, but

1675
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 13: we definitely need to settle the ship.

1676
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 3: And you know, having Drake out there, but you can

1677
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 3: throw them in the same bucket.

1678
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 13: You know, he needs to get on the same page

1679
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 13: as the receivers, the tight ends, and the backs, and

1680
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 13: that comes to just playing, uh, playing alongside each other.

1681
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 2: Next question, Doug Kye, do you.

1682
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 17: Have any update on the severity of Viderian Lowe's injury?

1683
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 2: Talking about the offensive one.

1684
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 3: He's supposed to get an MRIH this morning.

1685
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 17: So, how do you feel like obviously Zach Thomas hasn't

1686
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 17: played a lot of tackle for you guys, I think

1687
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 17: we've seen the garden practice. How do you feel like

1688
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 17: he was able to go in there and perform?

1689
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 13: You know, I would say there were some ups and

1690
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 13: some downs. Once again, just like you said, he hasn't

1691
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 13: done it a lot for us, uh, but just being

1692
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 13: ready on the sideline and hopping in there against two

1693
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 13: good defensive vents. Yeah, I think he did okay.

1694
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks Sophie Rolling for all.

1695
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 22: By mis Hi Jerrod, I wanted to ask you were

1696
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 22: very critical of the defense last night, Now that you've

1697
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 22: had some time, was specifically was kind of the biggest

1698
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 22: issue last night?

1699
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 13: Did you see one thing else say, is you know

1700
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 13: the turnovers in the field position.

1701
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,480
Speaker 3: They were put in some tough situations.

1702
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 13: I would say our red aread defense was poor and

1703
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 13: then really just a big place.

1704
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 3: After that.

1705
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 2: Two final questions, Blanke reas into Quota Raine.

1706
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 19: They give you opportunity to return quite a few picks, Gerada,

1707
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 19: I wanted to get your thoughts on what you I

1708
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 19: don't know if you get the chance to watch a

1709
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 19: special teams tape, but how did you feel like you

1710
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 19: guys handled that and was that something that was a surprise.

1711
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 13: That I always watch all the film offensive defense and

1712
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 13: special teams, and I would say, that's just Houston saying, look,

1713
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 13: we're tougher than you guys. That's that's the that's the

1714
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 13: reality of the situation. If they kick it like that,

1715
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 13: they're saying, all right, you're not going to get past it.

1716
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 13: You're not going to get past the thirty yard line.

1717
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 13: And we just didn't show up in that in that

1718
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 13: phase of the game.

1719
01:16:56,280 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 2: The last question to Quotterine a draught, just wondering what

1720
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 2: you've seen from Jalen Polk early this season and maybe

1721
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 2: was contributed to some of the struggles he's had early on.

1722
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 13: I think he just, you know, he needs to get

1723
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 13: over this mental hump. You know, you gotta you gotta

1724
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 13: eliminate the drop passes. You got to be better blocking,

1725
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,600
Speaker 13: which he did a great job in college at that

1726
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 13: and at times throughout the season.

1727
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 3: He just has to continue to grow.

1728
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 13: He has to work harder, he has to pay more

1729
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 13: attention to the details, and we fully expected him to

1730
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 13: grow into a receiver that's dependable on run and pass nowns.

1731
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 3: I think it makes sense.

1732
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 6: And now great moments in.

1733
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 5: History, the media in Green Bay and how they treat

1734
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 5: you in Green Bay versus in New York and chose

1735
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 5: in New York.

1736
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, And what's which is another reason why

1737
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 6: I'm not sure to work.

1738
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:51,560
Speaker 23: Yeah, the first slip up, they'll be all over and

1739
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 23: they'll cover the daily with a little scotch and and relax.

1740
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 23: They'll be like, you don't tell me when to realize.

1741
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 23: I'll relax when you get them in the playoffs. How

1742
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 23: does that sound?

1743
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:06,560
Speaker 6: You know that's the kind of adversarial relationship there can be.

1744
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 6: Remember your boy the urine stream. Yeah, business of the business.

1745
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 6: He broken up journalistic rules to be out of the business. Yeah,

1746
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 6: the Jets broke them.

1747
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 8: I don't know, I know it's I know it could

1748
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 8: easily go the other way and they could be in

1749
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,839
Speaker 8: the Super Bowl next year. Nobody would be that shocked,

1750
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 8: But I just it's not I feel like it's being

1751
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 8: like they are a top ten team in power rankings

1752
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 8: and all this stuff, and it's it's being talked about

1753
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 8: like it's like guaranteed that that's gonna work.

1754
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 4: Think about like Brice Hall being back, you know, like.

1755
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, that doesn't move the needle from me.

1756
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 5: Well who's who's Who's?

1757
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 7: But I agree, I agree with what you're saying. I'm

1758
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 7: just saying, I don't.

1759
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 5: Who would you pick them in Miami? Just take Patriots

1760
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,839
Speaker 5: out of the take Patriots and Bills out of the situation.

1761
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 6: Who do you think is the better team between the

1762
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 6: Jets of Aaron Rodgers and Jets Jets? I think Miami

1763
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 6: what I think based on what their talent and the Jets. Now,

1764
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 6: now if you're asking me who I'm going to invest in,

1765
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 6: I think the there's a better chance that Aaron Rodgers

1766
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 6: plays seventeen games than two. Yeah, that's a big one, right,

1767
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 6: But if I think at full strength, I think Miami's better. Yeah,

1768
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 6: that that's okay. You don't have to agree. He's like

1769
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 6: he's disgusted that you see that, he like turned the

1770
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 6: other way, like this guy.

1771
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: That's another great moment.

1772
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Speaker 4: All right back here on Patriots Unfilterday. Five to five

1773
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:25,879
Speaker 4: Pass five hundred is the tpx Houtline podcast at Patriots

1774
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 4: dot com as the email address.

1775
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 6: Can I just say that I predicted Aaron Rodgers would

1776
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 6: play seventeen games and he plays.

1777
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,839
Speaker 7: That was last year, right, four snaps?

1778
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:34,839
Speaker 6: He played four snaps.

1779
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 4: Let's get it, let's get Jeffrey in Canada writes it.

1780
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 4: He says, I'll plug my nose and ignore the coaching

1781
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 4: and defense. This week May was fun to watch. We've

1782
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 4: learned that no socks is Larry David. He's never happy.

1783
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 4: I've known Paul's role on the show and respect his

1784
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 4: voice of reason, but it's been five years of awful.

1785
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 4: Let us just have one week.

1786
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 6: I'll add that's where I was, that's where I am.

1787
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 4: I'll admit that Drake had some rookie plays and mistakes,

1788
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 4: but let's review the turnovers. Interceptions belong to the quarterback,

1789
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 4: no matter what the fumble he had less than two

1790
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 4: and a half seconds after the tackle. Seventy five got

1791
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 4: beat instantly at the snap and the defensive end is

1792
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 4: hitting him as he starts his throw. I'm told that

1793
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 4: that's May's fault. That's not true. Many quarterbacks young and old,

1794
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 4: fumble on those types of plays every week in the NFL.

1795
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,719
Speaker 4: If it's Rogers or Mahomes, that's the O line's fault.

1796
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 4: And I'm also on the quarterback is strong.

1797
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,719
Speaker 7: Yes, that's I say, fifty to fifty.

1798
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 4: I'm also impressed that May can basically recite every play

1799
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 4: in the game at the press conference.

1800
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, I if that was impressive, then I should have

1801
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 6: a statue.

1802
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 5: That's true.

1803
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 7: I don't necessarily discount that, though. Who are we talking?

1804
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 8: I think it might have been TC McCartney, the quarterbacks coach,

1805
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 8: said that in the preseason, May would come off the

1806
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 8: field and they would ask him, you know what, what

1807
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 8: did you see out there? And he would recite exactly

1808
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 8: verbat him what happened on the field, and you know,

1809
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 8: McCartney pointed.

1810
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 7: Out that that's that's good.

1811
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 6: You know, that's what you want.

1812
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 7: You know, if he comes to the sideline and he's like,

1813
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 7: I have no idea what they're.

1814
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 6: Doing, it separated Brady.

1815
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1816
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 6: Like Bill used to ask Brady what the coverage was,

1817
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 6: what he saw, and then they would watch the film

1818
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 6: and more often than not, Brady had it exactly right,

1819
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 6: Like right away, and that was one of the things

1820
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 6: that really impressed Belichick about Brady. Absolutely, and stripsacks are

1821
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 6: partly on the quarterback. To say it's one hundred percent

1822
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 6: on the quarterback unless it's like one of these with

1823
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 6: the guys running like this with the ball and just

1824
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 6: knocks it out. If you're in the act of throwing

1825
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,600
Speaker 6: and you get blindsided and the ball gets hit and

1826
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 6: comes out. Now, partly that's on the quarterback because you

1827
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 6: have to be more aware of the pocket. But to

1828
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 6: put it one hundred percent on the passer when you're

1829
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 6: getting hit as you throw is not that's not fair.

1830
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 7: I'd say fifty to fifty.

1831
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 8: I thought that was one of those double clutch situations

1832
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 8: that we saw in training camp where he had the

1833
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 8: hitch on the outside to booty for as like a

1834
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 8: quick throw to get the ball out quickly, any kind

1835
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 8: of double clutched it.

1836
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 6: I remember that now, yeah, the training camp, double yeah,

1837
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 6: I remember.

1838
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1839
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 8: He just wasn't one hundred and double clutched a little

1840
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 8: bit in that extra split second. Is that, you know,

1841
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 8: obviously ends up being the difference on the strip sack.

1842
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 8: The tipped on interception is unlucky.

1843
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 7: I don't put that on it.

1844
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 6: It's unlucky that it's intercepted. It can't get tipped like Fred.

1845
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 7: Well, the cup blocks got to be better correct.

1846
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was total system breakdown. But it turns out

1847
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 6: to be a turnover for an unbelievable play by their guy. Yeah,

1848
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 6: like that's a great catch around the back of player

1849
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 6: and I.

1850
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 8: Just thought it was the cup block wasn't there? It

1851
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 8: gets tipped up. I can't tell you how many times

1852
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 8: I've seen that, like just but.

1853
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 4: I blame the quarterback on those. You got to look

1854
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:57,560
Speaker 4: for your passing lanes. You got to be aware that

1855
01:22:58,000 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 4: there's a guy coming at you and you just can't

1856
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 4: row it through him, you know, I don't.

1857
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 6: Know, it's tough, tough. The fact that it's a turnover

1858
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 6: is not on May. But that was just an unbelievable play.

1859
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 4: But was it recently? I don't know if it was

1860
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 4: zappy or like in an order ordinate amount of tip

1861
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 4: balls at the line and that the quarterback has to

1862
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 4: take responsibility for those. I don't know if it was

1863
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 4: Mac Jones.

1864
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 6: This wasn't necessarily a tip at the line, though I.

1865
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 8: Would I would agree if it was like a traditional

1866
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 8: drop back and he got it batted down at the

1867
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 8: line of scrimmage. But the left tackle is supposed to

1868
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 8: execute that cup block and it's a screen out to

1869
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 8: the perimeter, so he's just catching and throwing in that situation.

1870
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 8: So if you could execute the cup block, then Will

1871
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 8: Anderson's on the ground instead of in the passing land.

1872
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 6: And sometimes it's just the other guy makes a really

1873
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 6: good play. I think Will Anderson made a really good

1874
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 6: play on that.

1875
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 4: Okay, And there was one earlier, so none of them

1876
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 4: were May's fault.

1877
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 5: I wanted to and.

1878
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 6: Again, but I didn't. I'm not a completely absolving May

1879
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 6: on that play. I just would say the fact that

1880
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 6: it turns out to be a turnover isn't necessarily Yeah,

1881
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 6: but I would say sometimes, like Evan's point, when you

1882
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 6: make those quick screens like the the job is supposed

1883
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 6: to be catch the snap and throw it. You're not

1884
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 6: reading anything right. The job is to get the ball

1885
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 6: into the intended receiver's hands as quickly as possible. Daniel

1886
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 6: Jones threw one of those in the very first week

1887
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 6: of the season. Yes, Mike, I'm going to do this,

1888
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 6: and who picked it off, Andrew Van Ginkle. Yeah, Okay,

1889
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 6: sometimes you have to credit the other team's player for

1890
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 6: making an incredible play, and everybody looks at that because

1891
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:35,640
Speaker 6: it was Daniel Jones, who stinks. Oh he stinks, you

1892
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 6: know it's it's did you see the pick that Andrew

1893
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 6: Jones that Daniel Jones threw? Like no, this was like,

1894
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 6: you're supposed to just catch it and throw it. It's

1895
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 6: the the blocker's job to make sure that Will Anderson's

1896
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 6: not in the passing lane.

1897
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 5: Zach Thomas was probably.

1898
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was Zach Thomas, who look, I don't hold

1899
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 8: it against Zach Thomas. He's like the fifth string left tackle.

1900
01:24:58,160 --> 01:24:59,679
Speaker 8: It's thrown into the middle of the game.

1901
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 7: But but they did.

1902
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 6: They could just get like little continuity, Evan, I heard

1903
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 6: this before.

1904
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 7: So they did for what it's worked.

1905
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 8: They did allow a season low thirty three percent pressure

1906
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 8: rate in this game. That's what I had them at

1907
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 8: season low. I not to do my own hoard, but

1908
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 8: when you have a quarterback that can make some plays

1909
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 8: back there, all of a sudden, the pressure doesn't look

1910
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 8: like I think it's more.

1911
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Speaker 6: About your other thing. You talked about the way Houston

1912
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 6: played them.

1913
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 8: But Houston brought some pressure in this game and they

1914
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,679
Speaker 8: did a decent job, like they didn't allow any free

1915
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 8: runners for the A and B gaps like we've seen

1916
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 8: in the past that they were inside out pretty much

1917
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 8: the entire game. They got beat one on one by

1918
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 8: Anderson and Hunter, two good players, you know, So they

1919
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 8: got beatn.

1920
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 4: Well, it's the Jaguars. I guess they have one good

1921
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 4: edge rusher on the team. But do you think we'll

1922
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 4: see noticeable improvement on the offensive line this week?

1923
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 5: No, I don't know who's going to be playing.

1924
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,560
Speaker 6: I don't know how you can anticipate that until you

1925
01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 6: see it.

1926
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 8: They are thirtieth in the league and pressure right like

1927
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 8: they're not. They don't pressure the quarterback very much.

1928
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 6: So those two guys on the end are the only

1929
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 6: two and they don't have a lot of sad Yeah.

1930
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,600
Speaker 8: And they don't blitz very much, sure and Josh, So

1931
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:10,719
Speaker 8: it's a good matchup in that case.

1932
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 4: Personally, I don't care about mistake free, clean decision making

1933
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,600
Speaker 4: this year. I just want to see as many examples

1934
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 4: of Drake May's ceiling as we can. I don't care

1935
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 4: how safe he can play. If he can't make plays,

1936
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 4: all playing smart will do is delay finding out if

1937
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 4: he translates to the NFL. I agree he was.

1938
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 7: I don't he let it rip out there, that's for sure.

1939
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 8: Like that was not like a kid gloves, you know,

1940
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 8: training wheels performance where he's not throwing the ball into

1941
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,680
Speaker 8: tight windows or down the field or anything like that.

1942
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 19: You know, he was.

1943
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 7: He was playing.

1944
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 14: No.

1945
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 6: I totally agree with that, But I don't want him

1946
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 6: just going recklessly trying to see how many plays he can.

1947
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 4: Make the word reckless of course not.

1948
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 6: Well, he's just saying let it rip, let you know,

1949
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 6: make let him make all the plays. I don't care

1950
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,640
Speaker 6: about playing it safe. No, there's times that's part of

1951
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:59,560
Speaker 6: playing a position. That's what you need to know about that.

1952
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 4: I don't want to have a conservative game plan where

1953
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 4: it's oh no, I like that, But that's not the

1954
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 4: same thing. Well that's what I think he's talking about.

1955
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 6: Okay, maybe maybe you're right.

1956
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh spiing Fresno.

1957
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 6: I won't boll it down with a Fred Paul argument.

1958
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 4: Those those first two scoring drives with Diggs and Dell

1959
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 4: were like a litmus test showing the talent deficit. If

1960
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 4: the season was over today, whose seat is hottest, Wolf

1961
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 4: Van Pelt or Covington to me, it's Wolf injuries, et cetera.

1962
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 4: Side the roster is unacceptable. Yeah, but he had like

1963
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:32,640
Speaker 4: one off season.

1964
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 6: If he if can we operate under the premise that

1965
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 6: probably none of those people is really dealing with a

1966
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:39,679
Speaker 6: hot seat.

1967
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't understand all that question.

1968
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 4: I don't think they are.

1969
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 6: If you, if you were gonna if you're going to

1970
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 6: say that, I would say in order, Wolf, Covington, Van Pelt,

1971
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 6: like in terms of who's who would be in trouble first,

1972
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 6: like the roster, the defense to me is far more

1973
01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 6: disappointing than the offense. That's how I would rank him.

1974
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 6: I don't think any of those three deserve to or

1975
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 6: is on the hot seat.

1976
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm right in the mail bag this week and

1977
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 8: I was getting the questions ready today. There's so many

1978
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 8: questions about those those guys being on hot seats, and

1979
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 8: I'm like, guys, it's it's year one, like it's really.

1980
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 6: The six like and for them it's year one of

1981
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 6: a rebuild.

1982
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 21: Though.

1983
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're gonna blame Elliott Wolf because he didn't plug

1984
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 8: every single hole on a roster that was decimated when

1985
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 8: he took it over. Like, let's not forget that they

1986
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 8: won four games last year and we're the third overall

1987
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 8: pick in the league. Like you can't can't fill everything

1988
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 8: in one offseason.

1989
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I mean, the one criticism I think

1990
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 4: is fair is just not identifying someone decent at tackle.

1991
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 4: Agreed the person he identified was not good.

1992
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I think that's absolutely worthy of a second guest.

1993
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,520
Speaker 6: Like they didn't do anything really to adjust the offensive.

1994
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,879
Speaker 4: Anything, like there was always so much he could do overall,

1995
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 4: you know, and you know, re signing the guys they had,

1996
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 4: you know, it wasn't a bad decision because you need

1997
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 4: some stabildy you know, you can't and you didn't want

1998
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of guys on the team going in

1999
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:07,639
Speaker 4: disgruntled or whatever. You know, you had the money. It's

2000
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 4: not like it hurt them to do anything else. They

2001
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 4: were willing to spend on Ayuk. He just didn't want

2002
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 4: to come here, period, Like they were going to give

2003
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 4: him more money than anyone. He just didn't want to

2004
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 4: come here. You probably dodged a bullet with.

2005
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 5: Ridley.

2006
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, again they were based on the way

2007
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 6: Drake maylook the other day. I wouldn't seeing, you know.

2008
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 4: But again, they were willing to spend that happy, not

2009
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:33,639
Speaker 4: like they didn't want to spend money.

2010
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 5: It's also tough blows with a core forum Leverett who

2011
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 5: got cut. We haven't talked about that either. You know

2012
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 5: two other well was the guy that they offensive Lineman that.

2013
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 6: I don't think that a corps for is a tough break.

2014
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 4: No it's not.

2015
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 5: I'm not saying no, I'm not that wasn't saying. I'm saying,

2016
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 5: those are those are bad moves. Those are yeah, yeah,

2017
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 5: those are Those are guys that I'm with you now,

2018
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 5: veterans that you were kind of hoping could solidify things

2019
01:29:57,800 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 5: and allow your rookies to develop and provide some depth.

2020
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 5: One guy just left and the other guy just got caught.

2021
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 5: We don't even really know why when they have i

2022
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:07,640
Speaker 5: mean necessitating them having to put in a center that

2023
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 5: you know it.

2024
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 6: Never They spent the whole summer lamenting the fact that

2025
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 6: David Andrews was so important because they didn't feel good

2026
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 6: about the depth at center. And then they had the

2027
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 6: one guy that got the most work is gone after

2028
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 6: a week of playing, and.

2029
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:22,639
Speaker 8: He played a week and everyone's a saying like he's

2030
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:24,839
Speaker 8: got like he gave up. You know, all these pressures

2031
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 8: against Miami and he had a bad game.

2032
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 6: Why he's gone. Something happened, And and you know.

2033
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:32,720
Speaker 4: If the team was supposed to be a contending team,

2034
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 4: I could see why you're getting rid of Judon. But

2035
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 4: they weren't.

2036
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 6: They knew that.

2037
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:37,440
Speaker 4: I mean, they're realistic.

2038
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 6: They have no problem with that.

2039
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 4: You know, you got a third round pick. The guy

2040
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 4: wasn't gonna be happy. You're not going to pay him.

2041
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 4: He's thirty two or whatever. You know, like it was

2042
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 4: probably a good move for a team that wasn't going to.

2043
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 5: I love it right now because, yeah, no difference. I

2044
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 5: mean I don't think he would make a single bit

2045
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:56,599
Speaker 5: of I don't.

2046
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 4: Think the offseason was the disaster for Elliott Wolf.

2047
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 6: That's some people think, oh yeah, I'm a little different

2048
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 6: on that. But the Judaon move might have been his

2049
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 6: best move. Yeah.

2050
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 8: I just look at tackle and the second guesses to me,

2051
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:12,640
Speaker 8: there are could you have taken a flyer on like

2052
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 8: McKai Becton. It's like the name that I that comes

2053
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 8: to the top of mind for me, Tyron Smith, because yeah,

2054
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 8: Tyrone Smith I don't think was necessarily coming here. But

2055
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 8: like McKai Beckton is a former first rounder, has a

2056
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 8: pedigree all the trades, so like you can still sign

2057
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 8: chookes the corps for as like the veteran, But like

2058
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 8: what if you have McKai Becton in here in training camp,

2059
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 8: Like maybe he was the eleventh overall pick in the

2060
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 8: draft a couple of years ago for a reason, like

2061
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:39,959
Speaker 8: maybe you get something out of him. And then obviously

2062
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 8: they they missed a tackle run on Day two, so

2063
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 8: none of those guys are playing lights out and their

2064
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 8: their teams. You know that were drafted ahead of Caden Wallace.

2065
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:52,719
Speaker 8: But there were four tackles drafted ahead of Caden Wallace

2066
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 8: and you took the fifth tackle, you know, so that

2067
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 8: that's a fair second guest as well.

2068
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just thought there were avenues that they could

2069
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 6: have tried, and and I've heard that the Tyron Smith

2070
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 6: won a lot, like he wouldn't have come here, like

2071
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 6: at least with Ayuk. I have some reporting that indicates

2072
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 6: they offered him X and that was more than anybody else,

2073
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 6: and he didn't want to even talk to them, right,

2074
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,839
Speaker 6: I haven't really Like everybody just says Tyron Smith wouldn't

2075
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 6: come here. Did they ask him?

2076
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2077
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 6: Did they talk to him because I never saw any

2078
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:22,920
Speaker 6: reports that they even looked into it.

2079
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 7: Jonah Williams too, I haven't heard that there.

2080
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:26,680
Speaker 6: John Williams either. I don't know if you know this,

2081
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 6: but he got hurt in Arizona, which means that that

2082
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 6: was a good move that you that you didn't sign them,

2083
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 6: which I have no idea why those two things.

2084
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 4: Corarel people do that though he would have got hurt

2085
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 4: here too, How do I know now?

2086
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:39,479
Speaker 6: Listen, based on the way this year is gone for

2087
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 6: the offensive line, yeah, he probably would have. Everybody else

2088
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 6: is getting hurt. But like, there were avenues to take

2089
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 6: and they chose not to take any of them. They

2090
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 6: could have tried to get up into the end of

2091
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 6: the first round for a tacking they didn't do it.

2092
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 6: Evan just talked about the run on tackles that went

2093
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:57,879
Speaker 6: between when they picked in the second round in Wallace,

2094
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 6: they didn't do any of those guys. I mean, Washington

2095
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:03,679
Speaker 6: picked up a guy that was kind of just there

2096
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:07,240
Speaker 6: and they but he played left tackle in college. I

2097
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:11,639
Speaker 6: don't know if he's any good, but they're doing alrighty yeah, yeah,

2098
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:15,640
Speaker 6: because at least he played left tackle. Now, maybe I

2099
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,560
Speaker 6: just don't understand why they decided we're not going to

2100
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 6: address it at all. We're good with what we got.

2101
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 5: We're just gonna assume that one of these right tackles

2102
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 5: is can be able to do well.

2103
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 8: That's why I threw Becton out there, because like, at

2104
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 8: least that's a guy with some pedigree, with some talent

2105
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 8: that's played on the left side. And you know, I

2106
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 8: look at Tyron Smith. I don't have no one has

2107
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:37,719
Speaker 8: had any reporting on that. You're right, But I still feel.

2108
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 6: Maybe I'm not telling you that that's I'm not telling

2109
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:40,639
Speaker 6: you that that's wrong.

2110
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 8: I think if they had guaranteed him eighteen million dollars right,

2111
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 8: and I'm sure he would have came here, but for.

2112
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 6: A year, I would have like, with all that cap

2113
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 6: space that they have still like that wouldn't have been

2114
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 6: a terrible thing to do.

2115
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:55,879
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, Tyron Smith, Jonah Williams, and Germaine Iluminor

2116
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 8: are like the three veteran tackles that are you know,

2117
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 8: Williams is her, but those two other guys are playing

2118
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 8: for their new teams.

2119
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 7: But our ILLUMINOI is really a right tackle slash guard.

2120
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 7: He's kind of like an o Winnu.

2121
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 8: You can play guard can play right tackle. He's not

2122
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 8: a pure left tackle either. But it wasn't a great

2123
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 8: class in free agency, so you had to attack it

2124
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 8: in the draft, and they just kind of waited like

2125
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:19,639
Speaker 8: they didn't They didn't go out there and really address

2126
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:22,800
Speaker 8: it in no offense, but hindsight, like Jalen Polk hasn't

2127
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 8: been all that great. So now you know, you look

2128
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 8: at that pick too and you say, well, should they

2129
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:27,839
Speaker 8: have gone tackled end receiver?

2130
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 5: You know?

2131
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,639
Speaker 7: So it's just that was the big second guest.

2132
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 4: Let's see who's this.

2133
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 6: Email one?

2134
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 4: Who are you Richard?

2135
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 5: Right?

2136
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 4: Sin Fans have been complaining about play calling for the

2137
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:43,919
Speaker 4: past five years, even when McDaniel's was here. In hindsight,

2138
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:46,680
Speaker 4: McDaniel's play calling was far better than what we have

2139
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 4: had in the last few years. Looking around the league,

2140
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 4: there are plenty of coaches who aren't good at both

2141
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 4: play calling and scheming, but are good at one or

2142
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 4: the other. At the end of the season, if AVP

2143
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 4: turns out to not be good at play calling, think

2144
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 4: the organization would consider finding someone else to help him.

2145
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 4: I don't think we need a new OC since switching

2146
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 4: systems during May's development will be bad On a similar note,

2147
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:12,599
Speaker 4: on the defensive side of the play calling and scheming

2148
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 4: used to be split responsibilities between Mayo and Steve. Is

2149
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 4: this both being handled by Covington. If so, would splitting

2150
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 4: the roll up be beneficial to the Patriots defensive performance?

2151
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 8: Well, defensively, Steve was the play caller. Yeah, there was

2152
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:28,720
Speaker 8: no they split in terms of during the week, they

2153
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 8: kind of each took on responsibilities of a defensive coordinator,

2154
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:34,759
Speaker 8: but there was only one guy calling plays on Sundays,

2155
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 8: and it was Steve.

2156
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 5: I think that was the weird way to do it.

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Speaker 5: I like it better. There's a defensive coordinator. He's the

2158
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:41,719
Speaker 5: one presenting the plan. He's the one calling the plays.

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01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 3: You know.

2160
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 5: I think it worked pretty well with the way they

2161
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 5: did it before, but it was unconventional and I think

2162
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 5: hard to reproduce, especially when you don't have Bill, you know,

2163
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 5: Bill Belichick overseeing the whole operation. And really it's him,

2164
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:56,719
Speaker 5: you know, he's the one who's not necessarily calling the defense,

2165
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 5: but he's the one talking to his son all week

2166
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,720
Speaker 5: telling him, you know, in this situation, do this right.

2167
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:04,599
Speaker 5: They develop a shorthand. But I you know, I think

2168
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 5: a little bit of heat on DeMarcus Covington for sure.

2169
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 5: I mean, I think Evan laid it out well.

2170
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:09,640
Speaker 6: Of so, I'll give you all.

2171
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:13,360
Speaker 8: So last year they were number one in the league

2172
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 8: and generating unblocked pressures or free runners to the quarterback.

2173
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 8: This year they're twenty sixth in the league. They went

2174
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 8: from first to basically last in that statistic. I mean,

2175
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 8: that's losing the Belichicks. To me, spin right, being able

2176
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 8: to spin the dial, being able to attack you know,

2177
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 8: pass protection rules and all that kind of stuff. They

2178
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:34,519
Speaker 8: just haven't been able to do that. I'm as concerned

2179
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:37,639
Speaker 8: about the play calling as everybody else on offense, because

2180
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:40,600
Speaker 8: all I care about is how they developed Drake. Like

2181
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 8: if he doesn't go out there and he's not one

2182
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 8: of these tight pants guys that has these awesome play

2183
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 8: calls every single week, but Drake made his fundamentals and

2184
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 8: footwork and decision making and all that continue to be

2185
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:54,639
Speaker 8: on an upward trajectory, then to me, AVP is doing

2186
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 8: his job.

2187
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 6: I think there's probably fan bases in thirty two cities

2188
01:36:57,439 --> 01:36:59,120
Speaker 6: that don't like the way the game's the play that

2189
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 6: the plays are called. And I'm not telling you it.

2190
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 6: They're all the same because they're not. Some guys are

2191
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 6: obviously better at it. But I think when you look

2192
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 6: at schemes in different offenses, there are some that are

2193
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 6: more imaginative and creative and whatnot than others. You know,

2194
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 6: Evans boy Shanahan is probably at the top of that list.

2195
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 6: But there's always times where you're like, ah, he can

2196
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:21,639
Speaker 6: run in this second. I was what Houston put forty

2197
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:23,639
Speaker 6: one points on the board. I sat there At times

2198
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:26,599
Speaker 6: I was like, they're like begging the Patriots to stop

2199
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 6: them with some of these calls that are setting up

2200
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 6: third downs with like run run early. You know, like,

2201
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 6: I think that if you looked at it, you're probably

2202
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:38,760
Speaker 6: gonna have a question with play calls in every game

2203
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 6: with every guy.

2204
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 4: John wants to stick up for Poke, says me. Personally,

2205
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 4: I'm happy JP is going through this, had his worst

2206
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 4: game this Sunday, but now it's all about how you respond.

2207
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 4: I felt the same when everyone was going in on

2208
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 4: Remondrae about his fumbling issues, and I had faith he'd

2209
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 4: respond well to the adversity, which I think Polk has

2210
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 4: the kind of character that he can bounce back. Also

2211
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 4: to Paul about what Poke said to the fans, slash

2212
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 4: media about staying on that side. It's called having confidence

2213
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 4: in himself and his teammates, regardless of the bad stretch

2214
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:14,040
Speaker 4: he's had.

2215
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:16,679
Speaker 6: You have to just have that camp.

2216
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to have you have to have that

2217
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 4: swag if you're going to play wide receiver in the NFL.

2218
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:25,120
Speaker 4: Go cry about it on your other show.

2219
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:30,679
Speaker 6: Oh it's it's well, he's got it wrong. It's before

2220
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:32,719
Speaker 6: he ever even stepped on a field, he was telling

2221
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:34,760
Speaker 6: people he didn't want them to root for him. You're

2222
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,680
Speaker 6: not with us here again, Like I would just rather

2223
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 6: like I feel like we always harp on like how

2224
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 6: does he handle adversity?

2225
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 8: And I get it because it's all there is gonna

2226
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 8: be adversity. But it'd be cool to just like have

2227
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 8: a receiver that's just good.

2228
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 4: Like his adversity early good.

2229
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:52,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like his adversity is like oh man.

2230
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:54,720
Speaker 8: Like you know, he had one bad play like where

2231
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 8: he dropped a third down, but he had one hundred

2232
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 8: and fifty yards, Like, you know, I would like that.

2233
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:00,120
Speaker 6: Because of what I said, I'm not worried about the

2234
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 6: drops unless it becomes a thing. I haven't seen him drop.

2235
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:08,400
Speaker 4: Wants that thoroughbred like even Edelman great receiver, Patriot's Hall

2236
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 4: of Famer, but he's not what you would consider that thoroughbred.

2237
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:16,639
Speaker 6: No, he wasn't. No, you want thoroughbred to make him great.

2238
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:21,760
Speaker 6: He had Gronk, yes, a Welker had Moss like that's yes.

2239
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:24,840
Speaker 6: I think that you need I mean that you need

2240
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 6: them all to be great, to be what the Patriots

2241
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:31,800
Speaker 6: were a dynasty. You need them all. But it's hard.

2242
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:35,240
Speaker 6: It's hard to have the best one be sort of

2243
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 6: limited in his skill set. That's what my concern is,

2244
01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:40,800
Speaker 6: and I just want to state it again. I am

2245
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 6: not giving up on Jalen Polk. I think that he

2246
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:46,720
Speaker 6: showed a lot of physical ability, toughness. I think he's

2247
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:49,679
Speaker 6: a good football player. He's fighting through whatever he's fighting

2248
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 6: through right now. I am not giving up on him

2249
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:55,160
Speaker 6: the way I was just accused of my shows. I

2250
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 6: have heard that on EI yesterday they were really Jones

2251
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:00,800
Speaker 6: and Keith in the midday Yard. I caught a lot

2252
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:03,479
Speaker 6: of they were like really worried about is this guy

2253
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:06,719
Speaker 6: because they both really liked Polk coming out of camp.

2254
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:09,400
Speaker 6: They were both really high on him, and now they're like,

2255
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 6: you know, do we miss on this guy? Is this

2256
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:14,839
Speaker 6: the latest second round bus that I'm like, it's six games,

2257
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 6: what are we doing.

2258
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 5: I know I'm not there yet.

2259
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 4: I just anywhere just not every game has been bad

2260
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 4: for him.

2261
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:23,640
Speaker 5: No, well, I totally, it's just more curiosity, Like its

2262
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:25,880
Speaker 5: Evan laid out. It's just it's weird. Why, like the

2263
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 5: things that you thought he'd be good at he's not

2264
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 5: really doing. But he's doing the He is doing the

2265
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:31,240
Speaker 5: things you didn't know he could do, and it's just

2266
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:33,360
Speaker 5: a strange situation for me. I haven't given up on him.

2267
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 8: But winning down the field on like vertical routes I

2268
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:38,960
Speaker 8: did not have run car like him running by people.

2269
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:40,680
Speaker 7: I did not think he was going to be able

2270
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 7: to do. He's showing that he can do that. On tape.

2271
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 7: He's is not catching the ball, which is what I

2272
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 7: thought he could do.

2273
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:48,559
Speaker 4: So I am just all he's like, I'm open breaks out.

2274
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 6: But I would also I would just say, like with

2275
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:54,679
Speaker 6: regard to the comments from training camp that we're saying,

2276
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:57,800
Speaker 6: well that's swag, Like I understand there's there's a level

2277
01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:00,800
Speaker 6: of that at that at that position, the confidence for cornerbacks,

2278
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 6: wide receivers that comes with it. I think coupling all

2279
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 6: the I didn't get my panties in a bunch when

2280
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:10,200
Speaker 6: he said it during training camp. But I'm now using

2281
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 6: that as part of a couple of other examples where

2282
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 6: he's tweeting about how he was wronged by the officials

2283
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:20,800
Speaker 6: after the fact on consecutive games in San Francisco and

2284
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:24,639
Speaker 6: against Miami. And I would say I would put those

2285
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 6: three things now in the same bucket and say, you're

2286
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:30,840
Speaker 6: concerned about things that aren't important, right, you put your

2287
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 6: focus back on getting better and improving.

2288
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:35,640
Speaker 4: I hope there's somebody telling him that.

2289
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:39,760
Speaker 6: So that's my point about the comment, not I don't

2290
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 6: want a guy showing swagger that comes with that position.

2291
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:44,840
Speaker 6: To davas wide receivers, you know that's the good ones.

2292
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 6: Yes they're a lot like Mike hate Staf but he

2293
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 6: would but he absolutely is you know, would have taken

2294
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:55,760
Speaker 6: him on his team, say five years ago when he's

2295
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 6: catching one hundred and ten a year.

2296
01:41:57,800 --> 01:41:59,799
Speaker 4: Jacket and writes in the twenty.

2297
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:04,960
Speaker 5: Because you you, when you went into that thing about Polk,

2298
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:06,120
Speaker 5: you were kind of saying, maybe this is one of

2299
01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:08,720
Speaker 5: my crazy things. And as a Jalen Polk fan, like

2300
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:10,800
Speaker 5: I kind of hear what you're saying.

2301
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:11,400
Speaker 4: I don't.

2302
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:12,600
Speaker 5: I don't. I'm not dismissing that.

2303
01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 6: In and of itself, him saying, well, you know, it's

2304
01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 6: kind of cliche, like you know, I know, no, no,

2305
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 6: not a lot of people believe in us, right, Hodney Harrison,

2306
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 6: Like that's the in and of itself, that's fine. I'm

2307
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:26,080
Speaker 6: now I'm adding that to the bucket of gesturing to

2308
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 6: the big screen when you're it was clearly out of

2309
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:31,639
Speaker 6: bounds and obviously you don't know the rules and you're

2310
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:34,120
Speaker 6: not even in the huddle getting the next play until

2311
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 6: they all basically had to drag you back over that,

2312
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:40,200
Speaker 6: like worry about things that are going to help, not

2313
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 6: not this.

2314
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 8: I just didn't expect it to go this way for

2315
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:46,760
Speaker 8: him because the film like he's getting open, so I

2316
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:48,400
Speaker 8: was expecting it to go the other way. Like I

2317
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:50,160
Speaker 8: thought he was gonna have a breakout game here at

2318
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 8: some point, especially once Drake May got in there and

2319
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:55,439
Speaker 8: then he just started getting that.

2320
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 6: Could happen with you. I again, adamantly, I am not.

2321
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:02,479
Speaker 6: I'm not out on, but I just felt.

2322
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 5: Like when it not out out Colon, I felt like

2323
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:07,720
Speaker 5: when it dragged into like the next day, I like,

2324
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:09,920
Speaker 5: this guy's trying to gaslate us. I'm like, it wasn't it. Like,

2325
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:12,200
Speaker 5: I'm like, am I wrong? Like was he actually about?

2326
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:14,599
Speaker 5: Like what is the rule? Like I started to question everything.

2327
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:16,400
Speaker 5: I wondered when it kept going and I was like.

2328
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 6: Well, the one in San Francisco was even worse, like

2329
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 6: at least the one in the back of the end zone,

2330
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:22,680
Speaker 6: like you can see he gets one foot down and

2331
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:25,280
Speaker 6: the toe is down touchdown before his foot comes down.

2332
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:28,080
Speaker 6: The one in San Francisco wasn't really even that close.

2333
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:32,719
Speaker 6: Still shots the next day, and I'm.

2334
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:35,760
Speaker 5: Like, I like them. They need him. Get going, Get

2335
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 5: going kid, get going.

2336
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:39,759
Speaker 4: Jacket and arbor. In twenty twenty fourth draft, the Patriots

2337
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:42,760
Speaker 4: traded down in the second round with the Chargers. The

2338
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:46,559
Speaker 4: Chargers then selected Lad McConkie, and a few picks later,

2339
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:49,759
Speaker 4: the Patriots selected Poke. Did the Patriots make a mistake

2340
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:51,879
Speaker 4: by trading down and not selecting mccakee.

2341
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:54,800
Speaker 6: No, they made a mistake trading down not taking a tackle.

2342
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:55,320
Speaker 22: Yeah.

2343
01:43:55,439 --> 01:43:57,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, if we're gonna second guess that, I would agree,

2344
01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 8: would I'd be about the tackle the whole lad my

2345
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:00,720
Speaker 8: conky thing, Like.

2346
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:02,000
Speaker 7: He's a really good route runner.

2347
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 6: I just it's fine.

2348
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:07,800
Speaker 8: I don't know, they have a lot of Ladd mcconkey's.

2349
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:10,519
Speaker 8: I feel like, and they were trying to get something

2350
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:12,360
Speaker 8: a little bit different. Someone is a little bit more

2351
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:15,200
Speaker 8: physical that could win down the field, and not another

2352
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:16,160
Speaker 8: slot receiver.

2353
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 7: They have like sixteen slot receivers, you know.

2354
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:21,280
Speaker 6: So I'm not and I would take Lad McConkey. I think,

2355
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:23,559
Speaker 6: you know, Fred Fred was high on him. I think

2356
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:26,240
Speaker 6: he's a good player, but I would rather have had

2357
01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:26,719
Speaker 6: a tackle.

2358
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:28,320
Speaker 4: But that's why I've been on a conky.

2359
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:29,840
Speaker 5: I know from what was that? Were you just like

2360
01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 5: randomly watching football like three years ago? Mccaky, I'm like,

2361
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:36,520
Speaker 5: that's not a real person. How was anyone named Ladd mcconkeye.

2362
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 6: It's the name, who's the who's the linebacker? Steel Chambers Steel.

2363
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 8: He also has nineteen catches for two hundred and nineteen

2364
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:44,880
Speaker 8: yards through six games, So it's not exactly like he's

2365
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:45,640
Speaker 8: letting the world on.

2366
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:48,360
Speaker 6: Fire, but I think he hurts that with that qualify

2367
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:52,160
Speaker 6: as our leading receiver, right, it would no really, you know,

2368
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:53,960
Speaker 6: if we take out the second half on Sunday with

2369
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:55,680
Speaker 6: that qualifier, I.

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01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:58,759
Speaker 7: Mean that's cheating if you take away his best half.

2371
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 6: To He also played one less game right.

2372
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, you know it's five games.

2373
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 5: How are you working? Bie weeks into this already created

2374
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:07,559
Speaker 5: for the.

2375
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:15,920
Speaker 6: League with regard to anything but picks. So we has

2376
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:17,280
Speaker 6: twenty more yards.

2377
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 7: In one more game, twenty four.

2378
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:24,200
Speaker 6: So I would I would just like you know, Lad McConkey,

2379
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:26,880
Speaker 6: I think, like again, I think he's fine. Like, I

2380
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 6: just think when we talked about this a lot heading

2381
01:45:29,240 --> 01:45:33,720
Speaker 6: into the draft, we all agreed quarterback had to be won.

2382
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 6: We all felt they needed a tackle and a wide

2383
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:39,680
Speaker 6: receiver and you had a better chance of getting a

2384
01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:41,920
Speaker 6: wide receiver who can contribute in the third round than

2385
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:44,000
Speaker 6: a tackle who can contribute in the third round. And

2386
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:46,720
Speaker 6: that's not revision is history. We all said that at

2387
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:47,040
Speaker 6: the time.

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01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 8: I just say, it's like a philosophical thing for me

2389
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 8: where I just really do strongly believe that you built

2390
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:55,880
Speaker 8: through the trenches like quarterbacks different. Like when you're at

2391
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 8: the top of the draft and you have a guy's

2392
01:45:57,439 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 8: talented as Drake May, you have to take the quarterback.

2393
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:02,720
Speaker 8: But from that point out, I just I believe in

2394
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:06,559
Speaker 8: that offensive line, defensive line, like that's where the good

2395
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:09,400
Speaker 8: teams now in the league are winning. Like you look

2396
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:11,479
Speaker 8: across the league, out who are the best teams in

2397
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:14,240
Speaker 8: the NFL. They're all the best teams up front. Like,

2398
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:16,840
Speaker 8: it's no none of these teams that the Miami's of

2399
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:19,040
Speaker 8: the world or whatever that are these finesse you know,

2400
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:21,479
Speaker 8: teams that are built around receivers and things like that.

2401
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 4: The game is.

2402
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:27,720
Speaker 8: It's Detroit, it's San Francisco, It's Kansas City, it's Baltimore.

2403
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:29,720
Speaker 6: I don't think San Francisco is very good upfront. I

2404
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:31,920
Speaker 6: think they have an exceptional left tackle and that's it.

2405
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 8: Well, their offensive line might not be what it used

2406
01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:36,400
Speaker 8: to be, but like their defensive line is still great

2407
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:38,760
Speaker 8: and they have a great scheme of how they block things.

2408
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:41,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I would just say, like if to Evan's point,

2409
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:47,519
Speaker 6: like if they just had some veteran guy, like I'm

2410
01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:49,760
Speaker 6: gonna say Trent Brown because he was here last year.

2411
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:52,040
Speaker 6: I don't want Trent Brown. You guys know what I

2412
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:54,120
Speaker 6: think of Trent Brown. But if they had some some

2413
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:58,680
Speaker 6: Trent Brown like that, you could just say, Okay, so

2414
01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:01,479
Speaker 6: if we don't get a tackle in the draft, we

2415
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:03,759
Speaker 6: can always plug in this guy who's in year seven,

2416
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:10,960
Speaker 6: year eight. He'll be serviceable. They had literally no person

2417
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:14,080
Speaker 6: on the roster who ever played the position. Yeah, Like

2418
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:18,759
Speaker 6: that to me is neglect, Like you can't possibly expect

2419
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:20,760
Speaker 6: it to be much better than it's been through the

2420
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 6: six games when you literally didn't have anybody who ever

2421
01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:26,720
Speaker 6: played the position before, right, Like.

2422
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:30,680
Speaker 8: Is chookxacorp for to Vederian Lowe to like they're all

2423
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 8: the same, they've never played. Yeah, they're all at the

2424
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:34,479
Speaker 8: same kind of level. I mean, if Darien low has

2425
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:36,559
Speaker 8: been the best one that they have, he just can't

2426
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:37,040
Speaker 8: stay healthy.

2427
01:47:37,120 --> 01:47:39,040
Speaker 6: Like it didn't need to be Trent Williams to use

2428
01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:42,599
Speaker 6: Evan's example of San Francisco, who's a Hall of Famer,

2429
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:45,920
Speaker 6: it didn't need to be that, but you had nobody.

2430
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:49,640
Speaker 4: Christian wrights it. In my opinion, Evan is way too

2431
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:52,280
Speaker 4: pants off for Drake May to give a proper review

2432
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:54,559
Speaker 4: of film. It's like Evan, it's like a dad playing

2433
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:57,519
Speaker 4: nepotism with his son on the football team. A good

2434
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:00,280
Speaker 4: in between of Greg and Evan would be ida deal.

2435
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:02,639
Speaker 4: Bring Eric back, says he doesn't care either way.

2436
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 8: I'm assuming this is Christian in North Carolina who told

2437
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:08,559
Speaker 8: me that Drake May was going to be a bust

2438
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:09,280
Speaker 8: and was terrible.

2439
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 21: But just like.

2440
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:16,840
Speaker 6: But Greg and Evans saw the same thing with regard

2441
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:19,599
Speaker 6: to the positive place. I mean, I think twelve.

2442
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm assuming, and I'm just assuming. Greg.

2443
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:26,080
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, but Drake may scrambled for a fourth down

2444
01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:29,000
Speaker 8: late in the game. I counted that as a plus.

2445
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:31,439
Speaker 8: He doesn't like when he runs, so my guess is

2446
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:33,679
Speaker 8: that that didn't count as a plus in his grading.

2447
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:37,760
Speaker 8: I'm just teasing, but he's a harder, greater than me.

2448
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:39,439
Speaker 8: Uh shocker.

2449
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 7: But that's just did you guys hear Kurt Warner?

2450
01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 6: I did not, Yes, I guess.

2451
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:49,960
Speaker 4: Bellingham says that Kurt Warner was complimentary of Drake's for

2452
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 4: a start, but called out the play calling and played

2453
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:55,320
Speaker 4: design as bad. What's your opinion.

2454
01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:56,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, we've talked about this a lot.

2455
01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 6: I would defer to Kurt Warner since I don't.

2456
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:01,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just I mean, my question for Kurt Warner,

2457
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:03,880
Speaker 5: and I'm not pushing back, I just what is he

2458
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 5: expecting with a rookie? First? I mean, is he just

2459
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 5: saying overall the scheme continues to be problem and I

2460
01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:10,400
Speaker 5: think there's spacing problems with the receivers that you pointed

2461
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:12,400
Speaker 5: out to. But you know, I don't know. I just

2462
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:15,000
Speaker 5: expect with a rookie quarterback that you're gonna kind of

2463
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:17,200
Speaker 5: simplify things a little bit for him in his first start.

2464
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:19,120
Speaker 5: But maybe I'm maybe I'm.

2465
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:20,880
Speaker 8: I would just say that, like I I hear what

2466
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:23,400
Speaker 8: you're saying. But this has been their offense, even with

2467
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:29,240
Speaker 8: Brissette all season. They are not a very exotic passing game.

2468
01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:29,640
Speaker 2: You know.

2469
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:33,320
Speaker 8: They don't motion a whole lot, they don't bunch or

2470
01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:36,400
Speaker 8: stack a whole lot. They don't have a lot of

2471
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:39,560
Speaker 8: layered concepts where it's like three different levels of a

2472
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:43,240
Speaker 8: defense and you're kind of reading off defenders. They run

2473
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:45,800
Speaker 8: a ton of spread. They spread the field. They have

2474
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:49,200
Speaker 8: everybody on an island and it's one on one across

2475
01:49:49,240 --> 01:49:52,040
Speaker 8: the board and go somebody, go winter route and get

2476
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:55,080
Speaker 8: the ball to that guy. And Kurt's point was just

2477
01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:57,800
Speaker 8: that when you have the greatest show on turf and

2478
01:49:57,920 --> 01:49:59,720
Speaker 8: you have Tory Holt, and you have Isaac Bruce and

2479
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:01,840
Speaker 8: you have Marshall Fulk and you have all these playmakers,

2480
01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:04,200
Speaker 8: that you can play like that. But when you have

2481
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:07,400
Speaker 8: the Patriots receivers, it's harder to play like that. But

2482
01:50:07,479 --> 01:50:09,679
Speaker 8: I just think the one like pushback that I would

2483
01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:12,840
Speaker 8: have on it is more the offensive line because like

2484
01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:16,080
Speaker 8: those types of layered route concepts that take time. So

2485
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:17,840
Speaker 8: like if you I think what they're trying to do

2486
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:19,840
Speaker 8: is get the ball out of the quarterback hands, and.

2487
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:22,519
Speaker 6: I would just say play calling in play schemes are

2488
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:26,560
Speaker 6: not necessarily the same thing like design play design. I

2489
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 6: have the architect well, I have seen some examples of

2490
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 6: like the receivers don't the spacing doesn't look We've seen

2491
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:34,000
Speaker 6: that stuff like that.

2492
01:50:34,120 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 4: Yep, Todd's and Gardner. I think it's up Todd.

2493
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:38,559
Speaker 6: I think it's Todd North Carolina.

2494
01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:38,720
Speaker 14: Right.

2495
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:40,719
Speaker 24: Hey, guys, I would just like to make a minor

2496
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:44,240
Speaker 24: request or Tuesdays to have two shows maybe another Catch

2497
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:47,000
Speaker 24: twenty two or something, just to kind of go back

2498
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:48,920
Speaker 24: to the old old school where we had, you know,

2499
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:49,840
Speaker 24: six shows a week.

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01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:50,880
Speaker 16: I'd don't rate.

2501
01:50:52,160 --> 01:50:55,240
Speaker 24: My question is what's just going on now with all

2502
01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:57,840
Speaker 24: the people that were doubting, like they were calling for

2503
01:50:57,920 --> 01:50:59,920
Speaker 24: a Wolf's job, they were calling for Azp's job.

2504
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:00,560
Speaker 25: They're called for that.

2505
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:02,320
Speaker 24: Are they just going to change this right away? Are

2506
01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:06,120
Speaker 24: they still see that they're like there's still thinking there's

2507
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:08,400
Speaker 24: just nothing wrong with this or nothing going to go

2508
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:10,600
Speaker 24: positive for this team because a lot of.

2509
01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:16,479
Speaker 4: The other Billbots, you know, the Billuminati. Yeah, it's hard

2510
01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:17,040
Speaker 4: to say anyway.

2511
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:20,800
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm still not convinced that a VP is

2512
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:25,400
Speaker 8: like the offensive coordinator of the future. I've said it

2513
01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:28,519
Speaker 8: multiple times. If he develops Drake may properly from a

2514
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:31,760
Speaker 8: just a Drake may standpoint, then he's cool with me.

2515
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:34,160
Speaker 8: But I think in a couple of years Drake may

2516
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:37,720
Speaker 8: will probably evolve past the offense that they're running right now.

2517
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:40,479
Speaker 7: And the question is, is Alex van Pelt the right guy.

2518
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:42,559
Speaker 4: To cants need to get tighter a hundred percent?

2519
01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:46,240
Speaker 8: Like you know you go, I'll give you Greg Roman

2520
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:48,800
Speaker 8: in Baltimore is a great example. You know, they go

2521
01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:52,360
Speaker 8: from Greg Roman to Todd Monkin because Todd Monkin was

2522
01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:53,320
Speaker 8: a little bit more.

2523
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:57,160
Speaker 6: Uh you know modern, you know, had advanced past.

2524
01:51:57,640 --> 01:51:59,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, as the question, I think the answer is yet,

2525
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:03,080
Speaker 4: but every one of these type pants guys, except maybe

2526
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:06,400
Speaker 4: for maybe McVeigh, did they all first have success in

2527
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:10,120
Speaker 4: college calling plays or scheming an offense.

2528
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:13,160
Speaker 7: No, at A lot of them came through the NFL.

2529
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:16,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, but from that tree.

2530
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:19,439
Speaker 4: So it's not necessarily a good thing to say, Oh,

2531
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:23,040
Speaker 4: who is the hot coordinator in college Kingsbury.

2532
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:24,599
Speaker 7: Kingsbury was a college.

2533
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:25,960
Speaker 6: Kingsbury came from college.

2534
01:52:26,040 --> 01:52:27,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, but a lot of those guys.

2535
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:29,320
Speaker 4: In Shanahan went right to the NFL.

2536
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:30,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know, he worked for his dad.

2537
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:31,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2538
01:52:32,479 --> 01:52:34,160
Speaker 8: I think the biggest thing with the college is that

2539
01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:36,160
Speaker 8: it's just the spacing in the field and the hash

2540
01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:37,880
Speaker 8: marks and all that stuff is way different.

2541
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:39,639
Speaker 6: And yeah Rogers redline.

2542
01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:42,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, the illegal man downfield they don't call that in

2543
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:45,800
Speaker 8: college is closely as they do in the NFL.

2544
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:48,120
Speaker 7: It's a different rule. Actually, the NFL is two yards.

2545
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:49,200
Speaker 5: I didn't college.

2546
01:52:49,240 --> 01:52:51,920
Speaker 8: It's deeper, so like r pos in college, like guys

2547
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:53,360
Speaker 8: are like five yards down the field.

2548
01:52:53,960 --> 01:52:56,760
Speaker 7: Let it go. So it's a little different the college game.

2549
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:59,240
Speaker 8: But you know, is are we going to get to

2550
01:52:59,320 --> 01:53:03,200
Speaker 8: the point where like Lamar he outgrows alexamand Pelt I

2551
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:04,400
Speaker 8: would say probably yes.

2552
01:53:04,600 --> 01:53:07,160
Speaker 7: But as long as he develops them right now, then

2553
01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:07,599
Speaker 7: it's cool.

2554
01:53:08,240 --> 01:53:11,400
Speaker 4: Marks in Connecticut on the tpx houtline, what's up market?

2555
01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:13,960
Speaker 25: They guys love the show as always. I just said

2556
01:53:14,160 --> 01:53:17,559
Speaker 25: two quick things, why are you going run?

2557
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:17,960
Speaker 5: Run?

2558
01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:20,680
Speaker 25: And then everybody knows you're going to pass And the

2559
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:23,720
Speaker 25: only runs that they're running is they're running gap right

2560
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:27,240
Speaker 25: up the gap. They're not doing any creative like wide zone,

2561
01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:29,920
Speaker 25: you know, just nothing predictable. I would have rather have

2562
01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:33,160
Speaker 25: seen them put Drake May right out of the gate

2563
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:35,920
Speaker 25: and shotgun or in the pistol or something, just to

2564
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:38,320
Speaker 25: get the kid comfortable. And then the other thing is

2565
01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:41,120
Speaker 25: that I keep harping on it, Caleb Jones. We need

2566
01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:43,519
Speaker 25: to get this big guy out there. This offensive line

2567
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:45,240
Speaker 25: is terrible as it is. I don't think that the

2568
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:48,559
Speaker 25: kid can be any more terrible than any of these

2569
01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 25: other tackles that are out there.

2570
01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:53,760
Speaker 6: Why yeah, why don't you think?

2571
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:56,880
Speaker 25: Again, guys, you can't teach side in the guy's long,

2572
01:53:57,160 --> 01:53:57,760
Speaker 25: long arms.

2573
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:00,280
Speaker 6: But if it was just a requirement to be big

2574
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:02,400
Speaker 6: to be good, then there'd be a lot more good

2575
01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:03,639
Speaker 6: left tackles. Don't you think.

2576
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:06,559
Speaker 25: You don't think he's good though, I mean you guys.

2577
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:10,040
Speaker 6: I mean I'm gonna trust the coaches. They've tried like

2578
01:54:10,280 --> 01:54:12,679
Speaker 6: five guys there, and he hasn't moved off the practice.

2579
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:14,719
Speaker 6: About Wallace, Caleb Jones.

2580
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:17,400
Speaker 5: I mean, maybe you'll see him get up.

2581
01:54:17,439 --> 01:54:19,840
Speaker 6: He's sixty nine. He's a huge human, so everybody thinks

2582
01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:21,439
Speaker 6: because he's six nine, he can play. If that was

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01:54:21,479 --> 01:54:23,639
Speaker 6: the only requirement. I don't think you'd have a dearth

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01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:24,840
Speaker 6: of left tackles in the league.

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01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:26,080
Speaker 4: He wouldn't have been available.

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01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:28,400
Speaker 25: Seemed to think that he was going to get elevated

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01:54:28,680 --> 01:54:29,280
Speaker 25: a while.

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01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:33,400
Speaker 6: Back, Okay, but he didn't. So I mean, is it

2589
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:35,800
Speaker 6: just the coaches being wrong? And as far as like run,

2590
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:38,120
Speaker 6: run pass, that's the first drive of the game. The

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01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:41,320
Speaker 6: second drive of the game was pass on the first play,

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01:54:41,600 --> 01:54:44,240
Speaker 6: and then shortly after that he ended up scrambling for

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01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:48,760
Speaker 6: a first time, So like they didn't have the shackles only.

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01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:50,920
Speaker 7: No, they ran outside zone on the second play of

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01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:51,200
Speaker 7: the game.

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01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:53,680
Speaker 6: But how has outside zone been doing for them in

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01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:54,720
Speaker 6: general this year?

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01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:55,760
Speaker 7: They've hit a couple of them.

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01:54:56,480 --> 01:54:58,360
Speaker 6: Okay, I know Antonio Gibson hit one.

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01:54:58,760 --> 01:55:01,760
Speaker 7: Andre hit one two up up the seam. The one

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01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:04,480
Speaker 7: defend I would I would defense. I would give a AVP.

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Speaker 7: Who I guess I'm defending today?

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01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:08,800
Speaker 6: Thanks, I am too. I didn't. I didn't places I

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01:55:08,840 --> 01:55:10,520
Speaker 6: didn't expect to find myself that.

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01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:14,080
Speaker 8: The big thing, the big you know, second guest from

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01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:17,320
Speaker 8: the Jets game was that they came out play action,

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01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:20,080
Speaker 8: play action, play action without setting up the run. So

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01:55:20,200 --> 01:55:22,560
Speaker 8: they ran it twice and I think that they were

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01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:25,400
Speaker 8: trying to set up that bootleg action to Kendrick Bourne

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01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:27,680
Speaker 8: that they ended up hitting on the second drive. The

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01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 8: problem was is that they gained no yards on first

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01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:32,040
Speaker 8: and second down when they ran the ball. So if

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01:55:32,040 --> 01:55:34,400
Speaker 8: they get it, if they get some positive runs out

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01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:35,840
Speaker 8: of the gate, and then they maybe they're in a

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01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:38,240
Speaker 8: third and three instead of a third and ten, then

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01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:40,000
Speaker 8: first down would have been the bootlegs.

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01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:41,840
Speaker 4: I had no problem first two plays of the game

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01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:42,440
Speaker 4: being run.

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01:55:42,440 --> 01:55:45,760
Speaker 6: Well, thirty seven pass attempts to twenty one run attempts.

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01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:46,880
Speaker 4: Ye, well they were behind.

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01:55:47,120 --> 01:55:50,640
Speaker 6: No, I understand that, but like, yeah, you can't say

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01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:52,920
Speaker 6: that they ran too much when it's almost two to one.

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01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:54,920
Speaker 6: Pass the guy's first career start.

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01:55:55,200 --> 01:55:57,919
Speaker 8: So they scripted the plays right, The first fifteen are scripted.

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01:55:58,280 --> 01:56:02,760
Speaker 8: So the script was run, run third down, let's hope

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01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:05,400
Speaker 8: we get third down, and then play action pass on

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01:56:05,600 --> 01:56:06,120
Speaker 8: first down.

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01:56:06,240 --> 01:56:11,160
Speaker 6: The first half was sixteen pass attempts to eight runs. Like,

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01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:13,800
Speaker 6: I don't think they ran too much. They couldn't. Now

2630
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:16,440
Speaker 6: you want you want to like criticize because they couldn't

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01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:19,200
Speaker 6: run at all. Yeah, like thirteen carries for nineteen yards.

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01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:24,160
Speaker 6: Antonio Gibson Like, yeah, that's criticism, and if Mark is right,

2633
01:56:24,240 --> 01:56:27,480
Speaker 6: it's it's all gap and whatever. Maybe they should have

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01:56:27,520 --> 01:56:28,360
Speaker 6: tried something different.

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01:56:28,480 --> 01:56:30,680
Speaker 7: I didn't like the second and ten run, like what

2636
01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:32,600
Speaker 7: you run it on first and ten.

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01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:35,960
Speaker 8: Second and ten runs are tough because now you're automatically

2638
01:56:36,280 --> 01:56:38,520
Speaker 8: thinking you're in third and long, you know, unless you

2639
01:56:38,600 --> 01:56:39,200
Speaker 8: really get well.

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01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:41,400
Speaker 6: I think they're probably thinking in terms of we're gonna

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01:56:41,400 --> 01:56:43,720
Speaker 6: get five or six here and set up third and manageable, right,

2642
01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:46,840
Speaker 6: you know, that's the best case, Like the Texans did

2643
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:50,520
Speaker 6: on the drive before the Damian Pias fifty four yard

2644
01:56:50,600 --> 01:56:54,000
Speaker 6: run screen off of Dalton Schultz's face mask, second and ten,

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01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:57,800
Speaker 6: We're gonna run for five and set up third and five. Instead,

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01:56:57,800 --> 01:56:59,960
Speaker 6: the Patriots ran on second and ten and set up third.

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01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:02,200
Speaker 7: And I can't believe we're defending all All.

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01:57:02,160 --> 01:57:04,879
Speaker 4: Right, that's gonna be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.

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01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:07,840
Speaker 4: We'll be back tomorrow at noon. We'll be turning the

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Speaker 4: page to the Jacksonville Jaguars big game coming up in

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01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:17,280
Speaker 4: Wembley Stadium in London. It's a great venue, beautiful venue,

2652
01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:22,160
Speaker 4: so facade is good or the pete They have a

2653
01:57:22,240 --> 01:57:23,600
Speaker 4: lot of pete over there.

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01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:25,320
Speaker 6: It hasn't been great over there, but that is a

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01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:25,920
Speaker 6: great stadium.

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01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:28,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, we will talk to you tomorrow.

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