Speaker 1: Speaks to the plane in Charlamagne to God here and
Speaker 1: as we come closer the closing out this year, I
Speaker 1: just want to say thank you for tuning it into
Speaker 1: the Black Podcast Network. There have been so many great
Speaker 1: moments over the past year. Take a listen to some
Speaker 1: of those captivating moments in this special best of episode.
Speaker 2: He is the Man, here's my friend. He is a.
Speaker 1: Legend of icon, a motherfucking tycoon. In case you don't
Speaker 1: know what they're talking about, we talking about the one
Speaker 1: and only impeccable Chris Love of Lover Lula.
Speaker 2: Man, your career is just phenomenal. Right, thank you, bro?
Speaker 2: When is the time?
Speaker 1: Because I know for my own personal experience, sometimes I
Speaker 1: still don't think I've made it right off fils don't
Speaker 1: feel like I got to.
Speaker 2: The level where I want to get.
Speaker 1: But there's so many people in this world that says, oh, man,
Speaker 1: when was the time that you felt like, man, I'm here,
Speaker 1: like I can't be man.
Speaker 2: It was It was two different times.
Speaker 3: So one, like I told you, I used to work
Speaker 3: in that radio station and they never had us on
Speaker 3: contracts because I was myself and a guy by the
Speaker 3: name of pun Daddy were the youngest, the youngest guys
Speaker 3: at the radio station DC Now, no, no, not that,
Speaker 3: not that. So we were the youngest people at the station.
Speaker 3: So basically everybody else had contracts at least year contracts.
Speaker 3: So me and him, I'm like, again, I'm eighteen, so
Speaker 3: I'm young as hell. I don't know shit. I'm just
Speaker 3: out here having fun, making making more money than I've
Speaker 3: seen hosting clubs. So since they didn't have us on
Speaker 3: a contract, you know, we were in fear of losing
Speaker 3: our jobs every day because we were live wise. We
Speaker 3: were doing stupid shit at that radio station, things that
Speaker 3: you would get fired for immediately, shock.
Speaker 2: Jock type shit.
Speaker 1: You're like, fine, shock jockshit shock jock is like doing
Speaker 1: something that you know, ah, youre.
Speaker 3: Talk about against the competitors. Suggest No, I'm talking about
Speaker 3: just stupid young ship like you know, smoking weed and
Speaker 3: the limit almost burning the goddamn car down. So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: The crazy shit is that at the end of the
Speaker 3: day when I was when once your fantasy came out,
Speaker 3: so I had an independent Wait so.
Speaker 1: What talmow, tmaow, what's your fantasy came up while you're
Speaker 1: at the radio station.
Speaker 2: That's I'll cut you quick.
Speaker 3: So the whole story goes, I'm at this station and
Speaker 3: I'm making these you know, little hundreds of dollars here
Speaker 3: and there while I'm hosting these clubs. So I built
Speaker 3: up enough money to where I had about five to
Speaker 3: ten thousand dollars, where I put all that money back
Speaker 3: into my own album. So I'm paying for all my
Speaker 3: record and all my mix and all my mastering. And
Speaker 3: this is a time when Vinyl was still out, So
Speaker 3: I pressed this whole fucking CD together and I had
Speaker 3: the vinyl and everything, and then I distributed independently, even
Speaker 3: though first you kind of sell the shit out to
Speaker 3: trunk and there was an independent distributor in Atlanta. So
Speaker 3: once I started put I put the shit out. But
Speaker 3: the craziest, most dynamic, strategic part about this whole.
Speaker 2: Plan is in radio.
Speaker 3: As you know, as time goes on, everybody at radio
Speaker 3: they moved a different city, so a lot of people
Speaker 3: don't stay in one particular slot in one city at
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 2: So during that to four years.
Speaker 3: That I told you, I was up there trying to
Speaker 3: get put on as Ludicris, and it eventually had to
Speaker 3: invest in myself. I had a lot of friends in
Speaker 3: different places that had dispersed all around the country. So
Speaker 3: I literally told them, yo, I got this single. It's
Speaker 3: called What's Your Fantasy? Just give it a fucking try
Speaker 3: on your station, other stations, my friends, so I had
Speaker 3: a network, but it was all it was all a plan.
Speaker 3: So they started playing it. The ship gets instant reaction, obviously,
Speaker 3: instant reaction on there on their channels. So once the
Speaker 3: ship started to blow up and I yes, spins, which
Speaker 3: is what's giving me. We had like eight hundred bdspins
Speaker 3: on our independent artists, which was unfucking heard of. So
Speaker 3: this is when all the labels started calling me. Before
Speaker 3: I get to that, we motherfucking started calling my cell phone.
Speaker 3: I don't even know how to fuck they got my
Speaker 3: cell phone. I'm talking about CEOs at every goddamn label,
Speaker 3: and you know, that's another story for another day. But
Speaker 3: ended up signing with Death Jam and they sent me
Speaker 3: my contract, and I remember being on air and all
Speaker 3: those times that this station made me feel like I
Speaker 3: could get fired every fucking day, signing my contract while
Speaker 3: I was still on the air, and that being one
Speaker 3: of the best fucking days of my life. Knowing that
Speaker 3: I didn't tell them to go fuck themselves or nothing.
Speaker 3: I was Radio I love I just literally after I
Speaker 3: signed that contract with him and said, hey, I probably
Speaker 3: won't be working here anymore, just letting y'all know I'm
Speaker 3: gonna put my two weeks in Okay.
Speaker 2: In two weeks of life. But how did you? No?
Speaker 3: Symbolic as fuck? So the crazy shit is, you know
Speaker 3: DJ Gregg Street. Greg Street was my competitor. So he's
Speaker 3: on this other station that you everything you do is
Speaker 3: competing against the other station. And we were on the
Speaker 3: same time slide, which is six to ten. So the
Speaker 3: moment when What's your Fantasy started gaining traction and I'm
Speaker 3: on the air the same as him, and this motherfucker
Speaker 3: started playing What's your Fantasy, somebody text me and was like, Yo,
Speaker 3: Greg Street is playing your song right now. I said,
Speaker 3: I'm not believing that shit. So were on commercial break.
Speaker 3: I turned to this but Bucker station and I hear
Speaker 3: my song on the competitors station, and I.
Speaker 2: Was like, that's quick.
Speaker 3: I fucking made it one of the best days of
Speaker 3: my life. So all that in one you can call it.
Speaker 3: That's the first time time. Okay, Number two is gonna
Speaker 3: be me winning that rap album Best Rap Album at
Speaker 3: the Grammys. So this was probably a good ten years later,
Speaker 3: every time I went to the Grammys, I'm in the
Speaker 3: category with Eminem and Jah Rule and these motherfuckers were
Speaker 3: killing this shit.
Speaker 2: Jay Z d MX Luther's huge artists.
Speaker 3: But when it comes to these motherfuckers, I'm losing every
Speaker 3: motherfucking award right.
Speaker 2: Yet, so yeah, it's all good.
Speaker 3: So I come around and finally, man, I make this
Speaker 3: album released Therapy Bro, and I went on there and
Speaker 3: I was like, man, I'm making this fucking album and
Speaker 3: I'm going to win Best Rap Album for this ship.
Speaker 2: I don't care what happens.
Speaker 3: I'm specifically going in writing this ship, making it the
Speaker 3: way it needs to be. And when they called my
Speaker 3: fucking name, Bro, I was like, that was that did
Speaker 3: it for me? Because of you know, all the years.
Speaker 3: It was like over a decade of loss and then
Speaker 3: finally getting that recognition and then Best Rap Album at
Speaker 3: that which you already know as hard as fucking and
Speaker 3: they weren't really giving the rap category.
Speaker 2: What they needed.
Speaker 3: And then a funny story to that, I know, Shaka
Speaker 3: gonna laugh at this shit because I was so passionate
Speaker 3: after I got that award. I went backstage and at
Speaker 3: this time, they had all the artists separated by curtains,
Speaker 3: so motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: Weren't in specific rooms. I say that to.
Speaker 3: Say I get back and I'm like, yeah, fuck yeah,
Speaker 3: I made it.
Speaker 2: I did it. I won. I literally set out this
Speaker 2: album to make it get a Grammy and I got it.
Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, I hear this voice from
Speaker 3: the other room, on the other side of the curtain,
Speaker 3: and the motherfucker's.
Speaker 2: Like, shut the fuck up, man, some of us didn't
Speaker 2: win anything. Like who the fuck is that.
Speaker 3: I pulled the curtain back. This nigga justin Timberlake is
Speaker 3: on the other side of that motherfucker. Oh, the nigga said,
Speaker 3: shut the fuck up. Some of us didn't win. And
Speaker 3: he got there grammed this year. What the fuck nigga
Speaker 3: justin Gangster Broly.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: And you know what, I'm gonna say something else. We
Speaker 3: talked about t earlier and like all the ship that
Speaker 3: we've been through, something that I do respect of all
Speaker 3: the ship that we've been through, that same setting, within
Speaker 3: that same timeframe as me winning, because he was in
Speaker 3: the same category. He came up to me and said congratulates,
Speaker 3: look me in my eye, gave his hand and said congratulations.
Speaker 2: That's some hard ship for a nigga to do. So
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: We talked all the ship that we had that was negativity.
Speaker 3: That's something I want everybody to know that was positive
Speaker 3: as fun and I.
Speaker 1: Respect that because we asked him about you on the
Speaker 1: same show and he kind of had the same sentiment.
Speaker 1: Let's give some flowers, get some flowers, give some little flowers,
Speaker 1: and be.
Speaker 2: Honest with you.
Speaker 1: From the beginning of our show, we wanted to give
Speaker 1: you these flowers. We wanted to tell you how great
Speaker 1: you are. You you he's been a year one request.
Speaker 1: We've been year one request.
Speaker 4: You're in the quarantine episode, but that didn't count.
Speaker 2: But let me just say that that means the world
Speaker 2: you have you have.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you who you are as an artist. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you who I was a person, but
Speaker 1: who you are as an artist.
Speaker 2: You have that unique of fitting. Let's let's just make
Speaker 2: a look.
Speaker 1: In the flower that lady for you. You're the first
Speaker 1: one to get the flowers in a breech a new
Speaker 1: iteration case. Yes, because there's love of people but let
Speaker 1: me tell you who you are. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: who you.
Speaker 3: Are, tell me about myself, mother fucker, let's go.
Speaker 2: I want to hear. There isn't There isn't.
Speaker 1: Another artist who can fit in a gangster genre and
Speaker 1: kind of like a backpack genre and kind of like
Speaker 1: a top forty genre and kind of like any genre
Speaker 1: and kind of fit there.
Speaker 2: You know how you like? That's love.
Speaker 4: He's a You're a rappers rapper, That's what it is.
Speaker 4: Really rest yes coming from that means the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just being honest with you. That means you
Speaker 2: can more into anything. Man.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I said this earlier, but
Speaker 1: one of my biggest gripes with Pharrell was when I
Speaker 1: first got in the studio Forharrell, he was like, you
Speaker 1: have to embrace your character.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that leor was that Pharrell Leo Farrell? No?
Speaker 1: But Pharrell was like no, but he really was like,
Speaker 1: you have to embrace your character.
Speaker 2: How buster embraces a character?
Speaker 1: And I didn't understand because I was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: a character, being who I am, and He's like, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who you think you are, is how the
Speaker 1: people perceive you. And I never embraced my character, and
Speaker 1: I felt like, from the moment I've seen you from
Speaker 1: what's your fantasy?
Speaker 2: I was like, this guy's embracing his character.
Speaker 1: He's doing exactly what Forrell. And by the way, throw
Speaker 1: them bolls. I heard that beat, I heard this.
Speaker 2: You gotta tell you what happened. The rumor is the
Speaker 2: true one year.
Speaker 1: For twenty one years, I've been kicking my ass and
Speaker 1: kicking myself in the ass.
Speaker 2: It was not for you, bro, it wasn't for you.
Speaker 2: You knew that it wasn't for me. It wasn't for you.
Speaker 1: It was I would have to go to go to
Speaker 1: the hospital that I wouldn't have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that wasn't for you. It wasn't.
Speaker 1: Every time I see the video with you upside down,
Speaker 1: I was like, that's.
Speaker 2: How it's heard to be. I was upside down. Bro.
Speaker 3: Let me say, as you're giving me my flowers, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna tell you band from TV, that ship changed my
Speaker 3: fucking life.
Speaker 2: My life.
Speaker 3: So anything, look, anything you're giving me right now, DNA
Speaker 3: that helped mold me.
Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1: But let's talk about throw them bolls. Oh, so the
Speaker 1: hospitality you in the studio, that's just after my fantasy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is after and we had to literally turn
Speaker 3: the fucking album in like the day after.
Speaker 4: Im it's already death, not the independent version of what
Speaker 4: you were putting out already.
Speaker 2: No, this is death, jan this is one what version
Speaker 2: of death?
Speaker 5: L A.
Speaker 2: This is the first album.
Speaker 1: Fat Kevin, Fat Kevin.
Speaker 2: Let's just be clear. It two different Kevin's. Yes, I Love,
Speaker 2: I love all three.
Speaker 4: Rob Love is doing the MARB. I had just started
Speaker 4: started doing Jure you just that's when I started doing
Speaker 4: Street Team. This is my first project that I worked
Speaker 4: as the regional form for.
Speaker 2: South Florida Fantasy. Yeah, this project Lucros product. You don't
Speaker 2: put the f N on.
Speaker 4: Look at that doc Freshman passages you.
Speaker 2: Yes, so you go to the studio and then got
Speaker 2: this beat already playing.
Speaker 3: Brell got the beat Man, and I'm like, believe it
Speaker 3: or not? Like I was saying earlier, sometimes you know
Speaker 3: what's a hit. Sometimes you were like I thought it
Speaker 3: was cool when I first heard it.
Speaker 2: Did he start doing like this? Yeah? Of course you
Speaker 2: know for real? Sorry, So I.
Speaker 3: Go in the car, like this is where I write
Speaker 3: my music.
Speaker 2: It's my car.
Speaker 3: I always I write all of my ship in a car.
Speaker 3: I love the fucking car. You got the surround sound.
Speaker 3: I get my own space, roll the window down.
Speaker 2: Producers do that too, with the beats they go in
Speaker 2: the car. Did they make it?
Speaker 3: Yeah percent, So I think maybe it took maybe forty
Speaker 3: five minutes to an hour. I had them verses. I
Speaker 3: went in there, did the ship. Still thought the song
Speaker 3: was cool. And then when everybody else heard that motherfucker,
Speaker 3: they was like.
Speaker 1: Are you fucking crazy out of here? It was that
Speaker 1: we was in Virginia, Virginia. We was in fucking book.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We was in Virginia at for Real Studio. Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: I know that. Yeah, hell yeah. So that's how that
Speaker 3: shit came about, man, And that's what that's what set
Speaker 3: it off, because what's your Fantasy was for the ladies obviously,
Speaker 3: and then once throdn Bulls.
Speaker 2: Came out, it was a rap that was like the
Speaker 2: record is crazy.
Speaker 3: That rounded everything out in terms of me being a
Speaker 3: new fucking artist, and it was it was a game changing.
Speaker 2: No you want you're a new artist, put you on
Speaker 2: Death Jam.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to me, the first Southern artist signed to
Speaker 3: death Jam, by the way, no other Southern artist, So
Speaker 3: it was all New New York roster.
Speaker 2: Like you said, you read this is what this is,
Speaker 2: This is what I want to I mean, read from this.
Speaker 1: But because what's Scarface already the president?
Speaker 4: Nod you was.
Speaker 1: Already shined to death Jam, and then they made Scarface
Speaker 1: the President.
Speaker 2: I want to say it happened like sign damnit Okay, yeah.
Speaker 4: Because it was you first, and then that's when they
Speaker 4: kind of like run in Scarface face.
Speaker 3: I think he was president. Like right before I got signed,
Speaker 3: co signed yep, so Kevin and Scarface. I was their
Speaker 3: first sign. Again you God, you had jay Z, had Joe,
Speaker 3: you had d MX, you got You, you got Meth,
Speaker 3: everybody whole roster New York, and I was first Southern artist.
Speaker 3: So we were debating about, you know, whether this was
Speaker 3: the right label for us, because he was like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, if they don't.
Speaker 2: Know what to do with the Southern arm.
Speaker 4: You have felt dope because regardless any hip hop had,
Speaker 4: death Jam.
Speaker 2: Is the mecca.
Speaker 3: Listen, man, cool Jay changed my life. You must have
Speaker 3: been like, man, I'm bad. That's that's the reason I'm
Speaker 3: here at this table today. That's the reason I wrap.
Speaker 3: And I told this motherfucker he was there when I
Speaker 3: got the Hollywood Star Uh just this this this year,
Speaker 3: so man, yeah yeah now ll Co yeah so depth
Speaker 3: Jan one. I was excited, but that was the only
Speaker 3: reservation as I was, I was the only selling artist
Speaker 3: on there.
Speaker 2: But that ship worked out like a motherfucker. Hell yeah.
Speaker 2: Would you ever do a residency?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we would love first presidency be in Vegas for sure.
Speaker 2: Residencies just announce it. I know, Found Blue just opened.
Speaker 3: Uh I currently have a deal in Vegas, so politically
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be able to tell you that right now.
Speaker 2: But next time I'm on this won't be the last.
Speaker 1: Wherever you're the deal is, let's go. Let's do that now,
Speaker 1: Lovers and Friends. When I was on here, we were
Speaker 1: on the way coming here. A lot of people say
Speaker 1: they made a lot of babies to lovers in France.
Speaker 3: That's a great thing. Ship Is that a great thing?
Speaker 3: That's a great thing. A lot of people make babies.
Speaker 3: What's your fantasy too? But y'all, no, Lovers and Friends.
Speaker 3: We never shot a video for that shit ever. And
Speaker 3: this record is huge, but till this day, I just
Speaker 3: had a show last night. I got a show tonight.
Speaker 3: We always do Lovers and Friends and the whole crowd
Speaker 3: sings the whole damn song. But that's that's a special
Speaker 3: one right there, for sure. So where was you at?
Speaker 3: Usher called you, and you called it. He called him.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. We were in Miami. Usher had a fucking show.
Speaker 3: It's funny to shock the fuck with me about my memory,
Speaker 3: but I have the most selective memory. When you asked me,
Speaker 3: that shit came to me immediately. Me and John showed
Speaker 3: up for Usher's show down here in Miami. John singles
Speaker 3: Little John, Oh, Little John's litt John produced the.
Speaker 2: Record, Little John's record. It's actually Little John's record.
Speaker 3: So we came to his show and this nigga ushers like, nigga,
Speaker 3: I got another one. I got another one for us.
Speaker 3: I was like, word, let me hear the ship. So
Speaker 3: before he goes on stage, they let me hear, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, we out of here again. On a whole
Speaker 3: other level, Yeah, it's fucking hunting something BPR Lovers and
Speaker 3: Friends sixty something VP.
Speaker 2: We out of here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, nah, man making history with them them too, man,
Speaker 3: some of the greatest brothers on Earth.
Speaker 2: Bro for show.
Speaker 1: Here's this man standing right in front of us making
Speaker 1: incredible albums. I've never heard a mediocre album from this guy. Wow,
Speaker 1: he is and he said that he said one time
Speaker 1: that NA said that he was the best. And I'm
Speaker 1: here to tell you I don't think Nas was gassing you.
Speaker 1: I think he came from from the heart because that's
Speaker 1: who exactly who he is. So in case you don't
Speaker 1: know what the fuck we talking about, we talking about the.
Speaker 2: One only but school boy Q.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you something, man, from the beginning
Speaker 1: we started this show, we wanted to give your flowers
Speaker 1: face to face man, and man, you are one of
Speaker 1: the greats.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: We don't want anything that happen to you and then
Speaker 1: me tell you you're great. We want to say that
Speaker 1: while you are laky your flowers. Snoop Dogg said, it's
Speaker 1: like it's a Snoop Dogg said, it's like.
Speaker 2: A Grammy because it comes from his people. God damnit, bro,
Speaker 2: there you go. You know what?
Speaker 1: You know what's so unique about you? Every time someone
Speaker 1: asks you about la Yeah, you're always giving up game.
Speaker 1: You are saying you're gonna watch that for this artist.
Speaker 1: You gotta watch them for this artist. You always naming people,
Speaker 1: You always showing loves to people, How did you develop that?
Speaker 1: How does that?
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 5: Once again, sports, I mean, and you know you gotta
Speaker 5: show love to your teammates. You gotta show love to people.
Speaker 5: And if you ain't good enough to hang like and
Speaker 5: if you scared, somebody gonna take your positions, And it
Speaker 5: was never yours in the first place. Looking at them
Speaker 5: fall it was never his, I said down on the
Speaker 5: last album too, Like if you fall, it was never
Speaker 5: yours in the first place. If you let somebody knock
Speaker 5: you out your position like you never had that position.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Once again, it goes all back down to discipline. Motherfuckers
Speaker 5: ain't got no discipline, bro. So motherfucker see somebody gassing
Speaker 5: going up and just hate for no reason.
Speaker 2: It's like for what like he going up?
Speaker 5: Oh, because he ain't doing as many units as you.
Speaker 5: It's like, bro, okay, and I put my units in
Speaker 5: the fucking jay z and I don't even exist.
Speaker 2: So it's like, what do we measure things?
Speaker 5: But motherfuckers is hard like, he hard like he hard like,
Speaker 5: just let it be, like, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So at some point, just if it's yours, it's yours,
Speaker 5: and you ain't got to worry about ship.
Speaker 2: Sure, love shut up.
Speaker 1: Another another thing about you is you have some of
Speaker 1: the dopest features in the game.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 5: I don't watch a lot of cats. I'm about to
Speaker 5: go about to go on another washing machine run.
Speaker 2: I've been chilling for five.
Speaker 5: Years, just watching them and observing and and like trying
Speaker 5: to change my life and body and ship. You know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Get my body to the right point
Speaker 5: where I want to be.
Speaker 2: But I'm ready to play ball.
Speaker 5: And and and just keep playing ball right now because
Speaker 5: I think they're making it real easy for people like me.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people are bad. What do
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people are good, But a
Speaker 5: lot of people are scared. I can't get record what
Speaker 5: you saying. No, not just music musically period. A lot
Speaker 5: of people are scared to try anything. Yeah, but I
Speaker 5: get it though. You know, at the same time, you
Speaker 5: know business is business, right, and you know, but at
Speaker 5: some point, if you ain't got what you're gonna get
Speaker 5: out of this ship, you've been in this game like
Speaker 5: X amount of years, you probably won't get it.
Speaker 1: Because that's what's unique about this album.
Speaker 2: It's like you just said a lot of people are scared.
Speaker 1: It seems like you wasn't scared of like you were
Speaker 1: taking risks, Like each song sound sounds like it's two.
Speaker 2: Songs and onely different.
Speaker 5: Sounds the same. Like what the fuck? What that was
Speaker 5: the whole thing? Like how do I see music?
Speaker 2: Right now? Okay? So everything is thirty second clips? Right?
Speaker 5: Motherfuckers can't even pay attention to three verses anymore? Motherfucker
Speaker 5: is doing one versus. It's like, all right, how do
Speaker 5: I make this album in this time and still be me?
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, I see things in the way they
Speaker 5: see it, fucking forty seconds, fifty seconds? If I can't
Speaker 5: get what do I? How can I get off something
Speaker 5: in thirty seconds? You know what I'm saying? Thirty seconds
Speaker 5: at a time. How can I say as much as
Speaker 5: I want in thirty seconds? If I can't say as
Speaker 5: much as I want in thirty seconds, then I probably
Speaker 5: shouldn't be doing this, this part of the beat shouldn't
Speaker 5: be rapping or coming with this concept, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. So it was just like, what can I
Speaker 5: say an X amount of time? And from there and
Speaker 5: how we just built the beats. We just built it
Speaker 5: the beats. But the lyrics pretty much came first on.
Speaker 4: This albumat changing up to that makes sense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's like you know, and and still just
Speaker 5: like shit, I want to do it like this, like shit,
Speaker 5: why not Like my blank Face album, I did the
Speaker 5: same thing. Like you know, I think, like I said,
Speaker 5: just rap is just so kind of like and uh,
Speaker 5: it's so many of rappers now, and it's still hell
Speaker 5: of good rappers, but it's just so many now. Me
Speaker 5: doing beat switches, it's like mad people doing beat switches still,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. But and I've been doing it,
Speaker 5: but you know what the game it is now, like
Speaker 5: my should is standing out a little bit more with
Speaker 5: it because of just the no risk taking of artists.
Speaker 5: You know, they find they pocket and they stay in
Speaker 5: that pocket. And like I said, that's cool if you're
Speaker 5: in it for the business. But everybody I know is
Speaker 5: a fucking millionaires. So at this point, so it's like
Speaker 5: what the fuck are we doing now? Like we just
Speaker 5: like making it worse for the younger kids.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 6: I think artists are scared to act their age and
Speaker 6: it's weird to me, Like I'm thirty seven, bro, I'm
Speaker 6: not like scared to act thirty seven, like I'm still lit,
Speaker 6: like I.
Speaker 2: Can still do all the shit. Still I'll run young.
Speaker 5: And still I'll rap you whatever you real to talk about.
Speaker 2: I'm still way more funnier, did you, brother?
Speaker 5: I dress better, like I look back, getting younger every year,
Speaker 5: like you fuck, it's its own dope, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. Like so like I'm not scared to have
Speaker 5: to live my age, like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of artists are doing that,
Speaker 5: and they doing the younger generation of disservice.
Speaker 2: Why She's like, it's the weirdest ship to me, you know.
Speaker 5: You know, that's another reason why I didn't even do
Speaker 5: press before this album, because it's just like I don't
Speaker 5: fit with those dudes in the media. I don't even
Speaker 5: I don't even funk with. They're just too negative for me.
Speaker 5: And it's like y'all too old for all that. Y'all
Speaker 5: gotta watch y'all say, y'all can't really get hurt playing
Speaker 5: with people. Bro, Like mootherfuckers is putting their life in
Speaker 5: their music, Like you can dislike my music, but don't
Speaker 5: disrespect me though, because I put my life and my
Speaker 5: ship you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So when you disrespect me.
Speaker 5: Or disrespect the rappers, that's how I feel like.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get at me eventually, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I got camaraderie still with rappers, even though you know
Speaker 5: rappers don't half coaraderie, but I do. So if I
Speaker 5: see somebody say some crazy crazy ship about a rapper,
Speaker 5: I ain't fucking with you, like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Like I said, you can dislike it, yeah you problem. Yeah,
Speaker 5: nobody tripping on that. But the way you motherfucker's a
Speaker 5: really disrespect Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And I ain't with it.
Speaker 5: And everything is relationship based too, It's like that's not
Speaker 5: how it's supposed to be either. So I'm just not
Speaker 5: with none of it. I just want to go all
Speaker 5: gas and just keep gassing. I'm gonna keep gassing gas
Speaker 5: and gassing, and they gonna come, they gonna come in
Speaker 5: the circles and I'm gonna keep gassing the ass.
Speaker 2: And I got, like I.
Speaker 5: Said, I got eighteen more to go, so I'm gonna
Speaker 5: keep gassing as I'm gonna keep.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Jack in the Box on Vernon and
Speaker 1: figure bro.
Speaker 2: Oh Man that's man, you go, that's that Jack and
Speaker 2: the crackstil there.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's there. Yeah, it's there. Vernon fit man
Speaker 5: ain't no right, man.
Speaker 2: Let's move on from now from now.
Speaker 1: But that's that's that's yeah, that's you know, I forget
Speaker 1: what kind of record you came up with over there.
Speaker 2: I forget. I was just going in through it.
Speaker 1: Move on your relationship with Mac Miller.
Speaker 2: Yeah, rest in peace.
Speaker 5: How How did y'all meet? I met on tour. This's
Speaker 5: another one that's hard to talk about to We met
Speaker 5: on tour.
Speaker 2: And we were just we just bonded off the rip.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying that as uh, just humans,
Speaker 5: just people, you know what I'm saying. I thought he
Speaker 5: was a funny ass white boy. He thought I was
Speaker 5: a funny ass black dude. We just kicked it, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. He was like transitioning his music
Speaker 5: from like uh like white sounding like you know, poppy,
Speaker 5: and he was going more towards rapping. He was like,
Speaker 5: you know, he had so much soul, you know, but
Speaker 5: he just came in the game the way he came in,
Speaker 5: and he was like transitioning. And I watched him do it,
Speaker 5: and it was just like, this dude is crazy and
Speaker 5: I just wanted to, you know, stick around and be
Speaker 5: his homie. I was just happy to be his homie.
Speaker 5: That was my dog. That was like really my dog,
Speaker 5: like you know, sad situation, but he's living forever. Though,
Speaker 5: he's living forever. He's living forever.
Speaker 1: Have a moment of silence, fam No, no, it was
Speaker 1: make some noise for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now you had a duct tail and the homie
Speaker 2: cut off.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I got kicked out of school. This motherfucker
Speaker 5: dude just light skinned.
Speaker 2: Fuck Okay. I wanted to know what the juntail is though,
Speaker 2: all right, So man, you had a hair and call
Speaker 2: it a tail?
Speaker 7: Okay, So this is this punk motherfucker dude.
Speaker 5: I don't even know his name. He wasn't even he
Speaker 5: wasn't really my home. He was my homi kind of
Speaker 5: hen't let it go, dough. I could tell.
Speaker 2: I got kicked out and all type of ship. So
Speaker 2: what happened? What happened? You in school? Gag? Yeah?
Speaker 7: So I'm in school, bro, this motherfucker you know, you
Speaker 7: know they do nap time.
Speaker 2: This is like a kindergarten. Yeah. I fucked him over too.
Speaker 2: I fed him over. I choked him and Ship like he's.
Speaker 5: Bleeding, and Ship was the first time I've seen him over.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 7: But he cut my ducktail while I was sleep and
Speaker 7: I woke up and yeah, and I just went to
Speaker 7: go plug my ducktail and it wasn't there, and then
Speaker 7: it was on his desk, Ship, and then he looked
Speaker 7: at me and he kind of like.
Speaker 5: Laughed, and I just beat the ship out of him.
Speaker 5: Bing bing ban were like five, like five six whatever,
Speaker 5: and then b b b Bean and I just plea
Speaker 5: me in the craziest head. I was like trying to
Speaker 5: snatch him out of the chair. I'm a little kid, bro,
Speaker 5: and I just see him blood out and he just
Speaker 5: yet and he's like yelling crazy like he's like you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. I'm like, Ship, like when you
Speaker 5: started yelling crazy and Ship, I'm like, but the Yeah,
Speaker 5: the teacher came in and uh broke it up. And
Speaker 5: I was at like some like Catholic school or some
Speaker 5: ship and she gave me a whooping like yeah, like hit.
Speaker 2: Me like a ruler.
Speaker 1: POWs fueh.
Speaker 2: I guess my mom didn't know they did that. There.
Speaker 5: My mom came in and like, like she said, tripped
Speaker 5: on the whole place, y'all, what my god, like had
Speaker 5: a whole fit, and they like we gotta get him,
Speaker 5: and his mom was just off the chain, like, y'all
Speaker 5: get kicked me about that? Motherfucking I went to school fifty.
Speaker 2: Second fifty second, yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean where I wanted to go in the first Like, let.
Speaker 2: Me, I'm just just right here on the corner. Just
Speaker 2: let me go to school. My mama always tried to
Speaker 2: do that weird shit.
Speaker 5: Oh no, you can't go to school in the ghetto.
Speaker 5: She will send me to some other school. And then
Speaker 5: then eventually she sent me back to the school in
Speaker 5: the in the ghetto, in the in the hood, And
Speaker 5: it's like, why why you.
Speaker 2: Be doing that?
Speaker 5: Though you send me to a whole other school that's
Speaker 5: the same thing. You know, this is another ghetto.
Speaker 1: Right, like she I don't know why she would do
Speaker 1: that because I always wondered how you got the name
Speaker 1: school boy? Right? But then I listened to your your lyrics.
Speaker 1: I can tell you have education. Yeah, yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: how did you get the name school boy?
Speaker 2: Literally?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 2: So it's it's like an atandra.
Speaker 5: So the school boy is a pimp used to well,
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna you know, well he used to be
Speaker 5: a pimp back in the days. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: dude the name school boy from my hood. Okay, he
Speaker 5: was dope. Dope dude teached him.
Speaker 2: Also, it was at a.
Speaker 5: Point I had good grades and there was a point
Speaker 5: where I had ship grades.
Speaker 2: You know, I leave that out a lot.
Speaker 5: But it was a point where I had really really
Speaker 5: good grades and a lot of homies will call me
Speaker 5: school boy because I was like really good in sports.
Speaker 2: Grades.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, good grades and like you know, always squabbling
Speaker 5: and like not really like you know, from that cloth.
Speaker 2: So they like, uh called me school boy. So it
Speaker 2: was more so.
Speaker 5: Like a playoff the pimp on fig and like me,
Speaker 5: people calling me school boy for good grades and ship
Speaker 5: being an athlete, you know, motherfuckers would encourage me like
Speaker 5: to be take that take that sports.
Speaker 7: Ship far, take that sports sportship far, because we gotta
Speaker 7: go far.
Speaker 2: Because a lot of football didn't go too far. Yeah
Speaker 2: you didn't go too far, Miami, Like y'all take football
Speaker 2: very soon.
Speaker 5: For sure, baseball too. I was really nasty at baseball,
Speaker 5: real nasty baseball. Yeah, shortstop Plato it was dog.
Speaker 1: Sh trophies and baseball having back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, got damn.
Speaker 2: There's not one of.
Speaker 1: The best, if not the best sports people period. I
Speaker 1: hate when hip hop used this term goat, but in
Speaker 1: this case it's an understatement. He's a mass man and
Speaker 1: I I was so excited. I've been sweating all day.
Speaker 1: So in case you don't know who I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: what's about the one only legendary. Recently we had people
Speaker 1: come on here right, you know, have a good time,
Speaker 1: say something they don't want they don't want to say,
Speaker 1: and ask for us to edit it, and us, being
Speaker 1: good people, we don't chase. But then these artists well
Speaker 1: access to edit and then go on another platform and.
Speaker 2: Say what they told her that that should push you off.
Speaker 2: What you should do. I'll be wanting to blow it up.
Speaker 2: What you should do?
Speaker 1: I should be like this, I will tell you that.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you.
Speaker 8: Let me listen eight years, but let me get as
Speaker 8: a person that's been in media for thirty years.
Speaker 2: Let me give you a piece of advice.
Speaker 8: So you want me to cut this out? You don't
Speaker 8: want me to add this? You know I better not
Speaker 8: see you saying this ship nowhere else right.
Speaker 2: I didn't say that.
Speaker 8: You know that, right, because if I see it anywhere else,
Speaker 8: I'm an eric. Do you understand me? So long as
Speaker 8: you know, I ain't got no problems cutting this out,
Speaker 8: especially if it's something that you think is gonna compromise
Speaker 8: you gonna.
Speaker 2: Hurt your brand. We ain't trying to hurt you.
Speaker 8: You're saying, but I better not see it somewhere else.
Speaker 8: If I see it somewhere else, oh, that just means
Speaker 8: you want to give that to somebody else.
Speaker 2: Other than me.
Speaker 8: But I got it already. Oh yeah, that shit tomorrow.
Speaker 8: You understand I'm saying, and put the date when you
Speaker 8: said it so everybody I.
Speaker 2: Had it first. Don't play that game. If you say
Speaker 2: you want it out, keep it out because.
Speaker 8: Listen, there's certain things, you know, a code of the industry.
Speaker 8: It's like you don't give somebody else editorial power. I've
Speaker 8: had politicians, I've had, you know, a big time executives.
Speaker 8: I've had various others wanting to sit down and do
Speaker 8: interviews with me, and I've canceled the interview because they
Speaker 8: wanted editorial control. You're not getting editorial control of my content.
Speaker 8: Don't come on and give me the content. I came
Speaker 8: on here today. I told y'all y'all could ask.
Speaker 2: Me anything y'all want.
Speaker 8: That don't mean I'm gonna answer every damn Let me
Speaker 8: assure you. What you want here from me is me
Speaker 8: saying please do it, please edit that out.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no. I came here, I showed up.
Speaker 8: I know you got critics that people gonna say, I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna get asked. I know how y'all wrote what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I knew what I was showing up for.
Speaker 8: And a lot of times you got these cats and
Speaker 8: they being run by their team, but they want to
Speaker 8: act like they did and they being run by their team,
Speaker 8: and their team didn't have any connection.
Speaker 2: They create no kind of vib.
Speaker 8: They talk to you man, the man, one on one
Speaker 8: or whatever the case may be, and then they walk
Speaker 8: around with their backup like somebody did them wrong instead
Speaker 8: of owning what the hell they did.
Speaker 2: That's my life right there where. It's like I'm constantly
Speaker 2: the villain.
Speaker 8: And I cannot tell y'all how many times, whether it's y'all,
Speaker 8: I don't give a damn what podcast was show it is.
Speaker 8: I'll see some people say some shit it could be
Speaker 8: on YouTube, it could be anywhere and my name come
Speaker 8: up and they say something, and I'm like, how come
Speaker 8: nobody asked would they say that to my face?
Speaker 2: Would they put their.
Speaker 8: Truth up against my truth? Because we all got receipts,
Speaker 8: but very very few people got as many as me,
Speaker 8: And so I'm like, what. When I see people I'm
Speaker 8: watching because if it's sports related, especially when they talk
Speaker 8: about sports commentators and stuff like that, my name coming up,
Speaker 8: I'm like, okay, and I'm wondering whether that person's gonna
Speaker 8: call me or yo stephen a Yo man. They said something.
Speaker 8: You see what I'm saying, because I'll have an answer.
Speaker 8: I promise you that. But I really get that opportunity
Speaker 8: and it's it's all right. But sometimes I say people
Speaker 8: say stuff because they know they can get away with it.
Speaker 8: They know they could get away with it.
Speaker 1: But your name is so big. I can see why
Speaker 1: certain people want to say your name.
Speaker 2: I can see why.
Speaker 1: Because it's a clickbait, even if it's not trying it
Speaker 1: for it. Cause someone say I'm talking about steven A.
Speaker 1: They gonna they're gonna click on it. The name is
Speaker 1: a hot commodity. So is that something that bothers you
Speaker 1: when you don't.
Speaker 8: Get that call, when I don't get that call sometimes,
Speaker 8: especially if it depends on the ship they're saying and
Speaker 8: how personal it get, because I would, I would listen.
Speaker 2: I know what codes I live by. I know if
Speaker 2: you're a player and you didn't get along.
Speaker 8: With the coach, it was because y'all were y'all were
Speaker 8: y'all were doing the same woman, right, you know what
Speaker 8: you're screwing around with a teammates girl or a teammate's wife,
Speaker 8: or you know you got in of this beef because
Speaker 8: you know you tried to choke a coach or something.
Speaker 2: You know you gotta you got. Well that's the trust me.
Speaker 8: Well, but you know depending on rumors thinking about it.
Speaker 2: You hear about that stuff every year every year.
Speaker 8: Right, So you got all types of the kind of
Speaker 8: stuff that I get access to, the kind of information
Speaker 8: that I get access to by virtue of what I do.
Speaker 2: For a living.
Speaker 8: I promise you I don't say seventy percent of the
Speaker 8: stuff that I know, Wow, seventy percent.
Speaker 2: And so what happens is when you see cats and.
Speaker 8: You know they talking about your stuff like that, I
Speaker 8: will remind you I've been in the business for thirty years.
Speaker 8: I know about dudes who are talking about me and
Speaker 8: they were filming a commercial in the off season in
Speaker 8: Hollywood and not realizing I knew the damn producers. Wow,
Speaker 8: you connected with cats in the hip hop industry. You
Speaker 8: don't know I know them. You're what I'm saying, I mean,
Speaker 8: don't listen. I'm not the expert, the officionado at that.
Speaker 8: Like I like music, of course I did. I grow
Speaker 8: on a product of the hip hop generation growing up
Speaker 8: in Holland. Queen's jam Master Jay was best friends with
Speaker 8: my late brother god Rest of Soul.
Speaker 2: I grew up with run dmc. Soy they see me?
Speaker 2: What do you say? A Hollid he sent was was
Speaker 2: was you know down the block?
Speaker 8: Ll who J grew up five minutes from your Pharma's Ball,
Speaker 8: the Rock, the Rock, you know John Rule fifty, all
Speaker 8: of these, I'm like, who you talking to? I'm seeing
Speaker 8: I've seen these people years. I root for them all
Speaker 8: day every day. I'm proud of them because I look
Speaker 8: at the road traveled and I know where they came
Speaker 8: from to get to where they go. They always gonna
Speaker 8: have my suppoint give damn who it is my man
Speaker 8: should have. Yes, Yeah, you know, I just got form
Speaker 8: with Snoop because I told her, Damn, I said, I have.
Speaker 2: To prepare for the interview. I can what you did.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like these these are my brothers.
Speaker 8: They know you pick up the phone, stephen A, is
Speaker 8: what what you need done?
Speaker 2: That's you know.
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm incredibly grateful and humbled and thankful that
Speaker 8: I got relationships with such iconic figures.
Speaker 2: You can't have.
Speaker 8: Relationships with those with cats like that. If you don't
Speaker 8: live by a cold and you don't stand for ship,
Speaker 8: and you're gonna trade people and you're gonna backstab, you
Speaker 8: can't do that. So when you got cats in the
Speaker 8: sports world trying to besmirch and sully my reputation, that
Speaker 8: gets me hot because you're implying that I live by
Speaker 8: a code that anybody who knows me knows I do
Speaker 8: not live by. And so what happens is then I'm
Speaker 8: watching everybody, because I will watch whether it's y'all or
Speaker 8: somebody else, and I'd be.
Speaker 2: Like, you just gonna let them say that, You're gonna
Speaker 2: let that slide. What evidence do you have to say
Speaker 2: that shit about me? You know?
Speaker 8: And you got to remember, I know of Athletic they
Speaker 8: were main nameless, but I know the stars that spoke
Speaker 8: to executives trying to keep me out of the business.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, trying to get me.
Speaker 8: Fired, trying to trying to deny what I'm bringing. And
Speaker 8: then come and they won't say anything. I'm not gonna
Speaker 8: cue a smiler in my face because they ain't that
Speaker 8: flagrant with it. But they don't know that.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 8: Like I told you before, you're filming a commercial, you
Speaker 8: hanging out with your boys, you might be in a hotel,
Speaker 8: you might be at a party or whatever. Yo, bro,
Speaker 8: you ain't been I've been in this business for thirty years.
Speaker 2: I kind of know people. So it could be a week, lady,
Speaker 2: it could be a month, lady, it could be that night.
Speaker 8: It's gonna get back to me, and it ain't gonna
Speaker 8: get back to me from Nay says that you know
Speaker 8: I barely know. I'm talking about people that I know,
Speaker 8: whose words I know I can trust. Yo, Stephen, Ay, Bro,
Speaker 8: that ain't no friend. This is what he's saying about you.
Speaker 8: This is what they trying to do. This is what happened.
Speaker 8: And so I just sit back and I watch and
Speaker 8: I pray, pray that they say something about me by name.
Speaker 8: Oh you don't know how to be praying for it,
Speaker 8: because again, I can unleash at my discretion at any
Speaker 8: moment if and I and I'm mostly no doubt because
Speaker 8: I'm in corporate America and I grew up in corporate America.
Speaker 8: The freedom that y'all have in this in this podcast world,
Speaker 8: that's something I just adopted. I never had to Stephen
Speaker 8: A Smith show on YouTube that just started a year ago.
Speaker 8: I don't you know, I wasn't doing that all of
Speaker 8: these years.
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I said, what, thank you? I appreciated that.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't do you know? I just started
Speaker 2: doing that, and I didn't you.
Speaker 8: Know you could call it a podcast because I got
Speaker 8: to deal with our Heart Radio and they gonna push
Speaker 8: that on their platforms.
Speaker 2: But out of my own pocket, I built.
Speaker 8: A television studio because my god, I came out.
Speaker 2: I can't a couple of mill out my own pocket.
Speaker 8: I built this television studio because A I want to
Speaker 8: show that I can produce television on my own, whereas
Speaker 8: I'm not getting the check as an employee, I'm getting
Speaker 8: the check. Is a production company because I'm producing content
Speaker 8: and I'm getting that bag too, on top of me
Speaker 8: being the talent. Oh by the way, not only am
Speaker 8: I doing that, I own and operated one hundred percent.
Speaker 8: Oh by the way, not only am I doing that,
Speaker 8: but I'm doing it with the purpose of not just myself,
Speaker 8: but looking for young talent on the come up that
Speaker 8: I can produce years of years to come. Because I'm
Speaker 8: fifty six. I ain't twenty six. I don't want to
Speaker 8: do this shit in thirty years.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: I want, I want and I want my legacy to
Speaker 8: be somebody that's reaching out to help those on to
Speaker 8: come up, so we can find we can find a
Speaker 8: way to do that.
Speaker 2: Because everybody can't be you.
Speaker 8: Everybody can't be you, everybody can't be me, but they
Speaker 8: can be themselves in a fashion that's most profitable for them.
Speaker 8: Show them the way and show them there's another I'm
Speaker 8: not I'm corporate because I had to live in corporate
Speaker 8: America for thirty years.
Speaker 2: I know who I am. You would said I know
Speaker 2: what I am.
Speaker 8: When I take the suit off and I'm hanging in Hollis,
Speaker 8: you have to say, say I'm.
Speaker 2: Hanging with the Fellas or something like that.
Speaker 8: But you can't roll up with Bob IgA, the CEO
Speaker 8: of Walt Disney and Jimmy Pataro, the president of the ESPN,
Speaker 8: and Roger Goodella NFL Commissioner, Adam Silver, the NBA commissioner.
Speaker 8: You know, like you with the Fellas, it calls for
Speaker 8: something different. Do you have the flex ability, the skill
Speaker 8: to know how, the professionalism to be able to dance
Speaker 8: in that world when you're not you or you or me?
Speaker 8: And I'm the kind of person that thinks that I
Speaker 8: could help. Is showing the way so that versatility kicks
Speaker 8: in and you can show yourself to be marketable to
Speaker 8: a whole bunch of people. People a lot of times
Speaker 8: don't see that we encouraging young cats.
Speaker 2: Man. Do what you want to do, when you want
Speaker 2: to do how you want to do it. Fuck everybody else.
Speaker 2: But you got your hand out for somebody else's money.
Speaker 8: And that pisses me off because I'm like, yo, you
Speaker 8: don't have to be a business owner.
Speaker 2: Tell me, even if you were on a street, hang
Speaker 2: it with your boys.
Speaker 8: If your boys came to you and said, yo, dog,
Speaker 8: I need some money, you might give it to them.
Speaker 2: The first time. Second time, you gonna be like, what
Speaker 2: fuck you need it for it? Third time? Again? Again?
Speaker 2: Why you underste what I'm saying, and you're gonna want
Speaker 2: to know what they're doing with it? You see what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 8: But we act like we can encourage people to do
Speaker 8: what they want to do, when they want to do
Speaker 8: it how they want to do.
Speaker 2: When they got their hand out for somebody.
Speaker 8: Else's money, that number up for a dead end ride,
Speaker 8: they're gonna fall. You can't operate that way. I'm the
Speaker 8: kind of person that says that. And because I say that,
Speaker 8: you got people that snub their nose up to get
Speaker 8: their backup, They got an attitude all of this other stuff,
Speaker 8: And I don't have patience for that because I'm like, yo,
Speaker 8: I'm trying to help cats.
Speaker 2: What you're trying to do when you're leading them down
Speaker 2: to dead end road? Right?
Speaker 4: Like me?
Speaker 1: Right? I did love and hip hop right, which is Viacom,
Speaker 1: which is corporate America. I did it because I enjoyed.
Speaker 2: Working for somebody. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I already know I'm the boss of whatever whatever my world,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to go into somebody else's world that
Speaker 1: I could be accountable for not being on time. I'd
Speaker 1: be accountable for not showing up or things like that.
Speaker 2: And I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I fully ensured that they didn't want to keep paying
Speaker 1: me because I wanted more exactly, So we agreed to disagree.
Speaker 1: But at times I always say that I'm good with,
Speaker 1: you know, doing what I got to do, and then
Speaker 1: if I have to work for somebody else, I'm okay
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I know who I am in real life. So is
Speaker 1: that how you feel when it comes to first thing.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't say when it comes to first take, you know,
Speaker 8: because my weakness is I hate getting up in the
Speaker 8: morning because once I'm up, I'm up. I don't take
Speaker 8: naps and I stay up real late. I don't go
Speaker 8: to sleep before two am. So because of that, I'm
Speaker 8: up constantly, you know, and I'm on my grind. I
Speaker 8: can't stand getting up early. That's the only hiccup in
Speaker 8: my entire career. I'll turn down millions if you ask
Speaker 8: me to get up at four or five am.
Speaker 2: Help with it. I gotta to figure out something else,
Speaker 2: you know. That's how I am. And that's been my week.
Speaker 8: That's been my one weakness throughout my career throughout my life.
Speaker 8: But I will tell you this, I've often said this
Speaker 8: about working for Disney. It ain't perfect, right, Damn it
Speaker 8: could be hard sometimes because they got a shareholders, stock holders,
Speaker 8: all of that stuff, and you got to answer for that.
Speaker 8: And when you're a major player, somebody that moves the needle,
Speaker 8: and you know God has blessed me, I've been number
Speaker 8: one for them for like eight nine years that level
Speaker 8: in terms of moving the needle.
Speaker 2: Here's the deal.
Speaker 8: I've often said this, I'd rather work for someone with
Speaker 8: standards than someone looking for them. I can always make
Speaker 8: the adjustment to being free and easy and not having
Speaker 8: to answer to anybody.
Speaker 2: But if I had never had to answer to anybody.
Speaker 8: And then all of a sudden I got to work
Speaker 8: for somebody and work in corporate America, I'm a lost soul.
Speaker 8: I ain't gonna not adjust. I'm not going to know
Speaker 8: how to live that life. It's gonna drive me crazy.
Speaker 8: But the fact that I have worked for The New
Speaker 8: York Daily News, for the Philadelphia Inquirer, for CNN, Fox Sports,
Speaker 8: ultimately ESPN, and Walt Disney, right because of that, especially
Speaker 8: Walt Disney over the last twenty years. I'm in a
Speaker 8: position where I've seen so much corporate and how strict
Speaker 8: it can be and how paralyzing at times it can be,
Speaker 8: that I can adjust to anything because it ain't gonna
Speaker 8: be much tougher than that in terms of the standard. Right,
Speaker 8: everything's gonna be a little looser, right, And as a result,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna feel more free no matter where you put
Speaker 8: me right, and that gives me a decisive advantage moving
Speaker 8: forward because I played the long game.
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