1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in our number three Friday edition. 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: Hope all of you are having fantastic Friday so far 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: as we prepare to roll. 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: Into the weekend. 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm excited to be back here alongside a Buck amazing 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: time down in Australia. We bring in now our regular 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: guests czar of all things Trump legal related, particularly January sixth, 9 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: she is Julie Kelly. Julie, I hope you had a 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: good New Year and a good Christmas as well. We 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us. I said earlier on the show 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: that I'm increasingly of the opinion that Jack Smith is 13 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: not going to get his trial in in Washington, DC 14 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: related to jan six before the election, because I think 15 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court's going to have to weigh in on 16 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: a variety of these charges. How would you assess the timeline? 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: I think you have tweeted as well that there's no 18 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: way the early March trial date is happening. Where are 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: we now on these trials? 20 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 3: Hey guys, thanks for having me on. You're happy thieve 21 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 3: of Fedsurrection Day. If you're in Australia, it might already 22 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 3: be feed direction day there. I'm not sure it is. 23 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: It's January sixth already in Australia right now. 24 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 3: All right, well, celebrate accordingly, Wow for the FBI informants 25 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 3: working around So, I mean, I think it's a pretty 26 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 3: safe bet that the March fourth trial date is off. 27 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: I mean, here we are, you know, sixty days out. 28 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 3: There are a lot of deadlines that have been put 29 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: on hold by the court because the immunity issue is 30 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: now before the Appellate Court on Tuesday, that will make 31 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: its way to the Supreme Court eventually. So the pretty 32 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: safe bet the March fourth trial date is off. Does 33 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 3: that mean that they will hold off before election day? 34 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 3: I'm not so sure. Possibly, But to your point, you know, 35 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: this immunity issue and Judge Chuckkin denying Trump's claims of 36 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 3: presidential immunity from this criminal prosecution definitely has to be 37 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: settled by the Supreme Court because, of course, this is unprecedented. 38 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 3: The Supreme Court has never weighed in on whether a 39 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 3: president or former president is protected from criminal prosecution for 40 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 3: activity that was conducted while he was president in office, 41 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 3: So that could be Now, how that fits in with 42 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 3: the classified documents trial in Southern Florida. You know that's 43 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: still up in the air too. That trial date, all 44 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: of the pre trial schedule is on hold there as 45 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 3: well as what's happening in the DC case sort of 46 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 3: makes its way through the court system. So it's very complex, 47 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 3: very convoluted. But look, Jacksmith and the dj AS, you know, 48 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: they're not going to adhere to any norms or any 49 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 3: rules or standard operating procedure in terms of not bringing 50 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 3: a criminal prosecution before an election. We already know that 51 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 3: they violate that brazenly. And so it's not like if 52 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 3: this trial can move forward after a Supreme Court ruling 53 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 3: in June that they put this on trial. If they 54 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 3: put them on trial in July or August, will they 55 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 3: do it? 56 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely so, Julie, as these. 57 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 2: These trials are maybe going to happen, we don't really 58 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: know what's going on. Do you think Jack Smith has 59 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: foreseen what's going on here? Or is there a little 60 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: bit of panic in the walls are closing in Democrat 61 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: precincts if you will, right, you know what I mean? 62 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: The people that are like, oh, we finally got Trump. 63 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: He's finally going to be convicted and maybe we'll even 64 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: be able to get him under home confinement or some 65 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: kind of a sentence like that. Are they panicking a 66 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: little bit that Jack Smith might have messed up? I mean, 67 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: is this starting to trickle down you think? Or is 68 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: this more or less with what was expected by the 69 00:03:58,440 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: Special Council. 70 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: No, I mean, I think the left and the Democrats 71 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 3: have to be panicking about what's happening with this DC trial. 72 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: You know, it could be a matter of time before 73 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: Jack Smith gets criticism from his own side, waiting until 74 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 3: August first of this last year to bring this four 75 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 3: counts sort of flimsy, really flimsy indictment against Donald Trump 76 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 3: for January sixth, lifting most of the verbiage from the 77 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 3: January sixth Select Committee, but even at greater risk, and 78 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 3: we've talked about this then. The immunity issue is that 79 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 3: two of the four counts in Jacksmith's criminal indictment against 80 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 3: Trump for January sixth could be reversed by the Supreme 81 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 3: Court before they even handle the immunity issue, and that 82 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 3: is this fifteen twelve c to obstruction of an official 83 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 3: preceding statute. The Supreme Court granted cert in that matter 84 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: last month. They will be reviewing how doj intentionally misinterpreted 85 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 3: the big language and that statue to use it against 86 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 3: three hundred plus J sixers and Donald Trump. If the 87 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 3: Supreme Court comes back in rules at the District Court 88 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 3: has misapplied that statute, that it misinterpreted it, then that 89 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 3: has huge consequences for Jack Smith's indictment. So then what 90 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 3: does he do next? I am still not completely convinced, 91 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,119 Speaker 3: as we've talked about for over a year, he won't 92 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 3: file a superseding indictment simply because at fifteen twelve C. 93 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: Two charge is that it is such in jeopardy. So 94 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 3: I could send some criticism heading Jack Smith's way. Also, 95 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: knowing that the immunity issue for President Trump had to 96 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 3: be settled before the trial could move forward, that they 97 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 3: waited until August to file this indictment, they push for 98 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 3: a quick trial. Judge Chuck Han granted that this is 99 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 3: a crisis of their own making, both Judge Chuck And 100 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 3: and Jack Smith. So what happens now? Yes, I'm sure 101 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 3: there's quite a bit of canic in Special Council's office. 102 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about timing. You mentioned that March 103 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: fourth initial trial date. I don't think that there's been 104 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: any official acknowledgment. There's no way on the planet that's happening, right, 105 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: So this case is not starting in March, so I 106 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: think we can toss that out the window. If the 107 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: Supreme Court waits until June, they can wait till late June, 108 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: I think on the calendar to release all of their 109 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: different opinions. The absolutely if they waited till then, which 110 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: I don't think is crazy to contemplate. A lot of 111 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: times they save their most politically charged opinions till the 112 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: end of the term. If they do that, then how 113 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: long has a jury selection typically taken in your experience 114 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: on these jan sixth cases, Because if they do that, 115 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: I don't see any way that they can get this 116 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: case resolved in DC before we go to start voting 117 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: all over the country, especially given how early early voting is. 118 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know when the official earliest vote 119 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: will be cast, but certainly it's in October. I don't 120 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: see any way they could get this resolve before the election. 121 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: But I'm just curious. You've been through so many of 122 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: these trials, what's the typical jury selection process look like? 123 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: This one would certainly not be typical but I would 124 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: think it would take a couple of months at minimum 125 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: to see the jury. 126 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: Well, it should take a few months, right, I mean, 127 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: I think the longest jury selection process I saw was 128 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 3: with the Proud Boys trial, and they think that that 129 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 3: was several days. But look, judges typically also just go 130 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 3: run through the jury selection in a day or two. 131 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 3: Jury questionnaires were supposed to be filed this Tuesday in 132 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 3: this case. As they send those out to prospective jurors, 133 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: they look at who is qualified disqualified. Then, as you know, 134 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 3: they have the wad Deer process where individuals come in personally. 135 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: They're asked by to judge a number of questions, including 136 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 3: their ties to the federal government or DJ or their 137 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: inherent bias. So this is going to be that would 138 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: be a tough jury selection. But look, you've got Judge 139 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: chuck In at the end of the day, really is 140 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 3: the one who will see this jury. Will she consent 141 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: to a hastened process, Absolutely positively she will. So you know, 142 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 3: Trump and his team certainly are not out of the 143 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 3: woods in terms of quickening, you know, rushing to a 144 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 3: quick to a quick jury trial. If now, look, there's 145 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 3: also a slim chance that the Supreme Court won't hear 146 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 3: any Appellate Court ruling. If the Appellate Court comes down 147 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 3: after oral arguments are this Tuesday, the night the Appellate 148 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 3: Court three judge panel comes back, say a week or 149 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,599 Speaker 3: two later, they probably are already preparing this. It's two Democrats, 150 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 3: one Republican. If it's a three to zero decision, and 151 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 3: then this is eventually ends up at the Supreme Court. 152 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 3: They could deny cert. They could just say no, we're 153 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 3: not going to review this. You need four justices to 154 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: grant cert in a case, meaning they will review the 155 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: Appellate Court's decision. Do you trust that we've got four 156 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: strong justices on the Supreme Court who would take up 157 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 3: such a politically charged matter in an election year. I don't. 158 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: So that's certainly an option. And then the immunity issue 159 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: is settled, keys denied immunity, and then the process can 160 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 3: move forward. So that's another option that this never even 161 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: makes it to the Supreme Court because they're not required 162 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 3: to take it up. 163 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: But they do have half, sorry, they do have half 164 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: of these charges that they have to decide potentially as 165 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: late as June, right that they've already accepted. 166 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 3: Exactly, So that is a bigger risk to Jacksmith, because 167 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 3: that's a certainty. They granted certain on December thirteenth. Oral 168 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 3: arguments will probably take place March in April, and then 169 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 3: to your point, a decision rendered by the end of 170 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 3: this term, which is the end of June. So they 171 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 3: might be there's a chance that they deny certain the 172 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 3: immunity issue and they turn around on this fifteen twelve 173 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: seat too, which is pretty clear cut that the DOJ 174 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 3: has not applied that statute correctly. You had the Appellate 175 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 3: Court judge Florence pan of Democrats say that this was 176 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 3: the first time it's ever been used this way. The 177 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: Appellate Court ruling that they're considering is basically three different opinions. 178 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 3: It's called a splintered ruling, which is what one of 179 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 3: the judges on the panels said. If you read that 180 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 3: ruling and you read the origin originating case Fisher versus USA, 181 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 3: it's hard to imagine the Supreme Court doesn't drastically reprimand 182 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 3: the Appellate Court or revise that judgment, but overturn it outright, 183 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 3: then this fifteen twelve sey too, And look, we already 184 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 3: see and I've reported you guys have probably seen this. 185 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 3: You have defendants who are awaiting sentencing going to judges 186 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: who have allowed this count asking them to delay sentencing 187 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: until the Supreme Court can rule. So you already have 188 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: judges in DC who are wary about what the Supreme 189 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 3: Court is going to do with this count. That is 190 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 3: a heavier burden on Jack Smith than this community issue 191 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 3: in my opinion. 192 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: Talking to Julie Kelly, declassify with Julie Kelly is her substack. 193 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: You should all go check it out for these kinds 194 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: of issues that we're talking about today, and Julie the 195 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: state ballot issues Colorado, Maine, perhaps some others that may 196 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: be coming up here. 197 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: Do you view this? 198 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I know you think that it's crazy. I 199 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 2: think it's crazy, But is it really just frivolous political 200 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: maneuvering or is there any chance that this could actually 201 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: work in one of these states? 202 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 3: I mean, it really it could work. It will again 203 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 3: be up to the Supreme Court. You have Trump filed 204 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 3: cert and Republican officials at filed certific sciory, which means 205 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: they're asking the Supreme Court to review a case, and 206 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 3: so they're asked. They've asked for the Supreme Court to 207 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 3: review the Colorado four three decision that declared Trump indeed 208 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 3: engaged in insurrection and therefore is disqualified from running for office. 209 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 3: It's hard to see scot as I could see them 210 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 3: denying the immunity issue before this one. But look, what 211 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 3: does this do optics wise? It continue used to fuel 212 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 3: the idea of that January sixth was an insurrection that 213 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 3: Donald Trump was responsible. It also potentially gives Jack Smith 214 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 3: the fodder he needs to file a superseding indictment along 215 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: those lines either insurrection seditious conspiracy if we've talked about 216 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 3: over the past year. So you know, this all could 217 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 3: be evidence he could bring before grand jury and seeking 218 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 3: harsher charges against Donald Trump. And keep in mind, we 219 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 3: still have those six unindicted co conspirators in the indictment, 220 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 3: the existing Jack Smith indictment. Those are people like Jeffrey Clark, 221 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: John Eastman, Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell. You know, people have 222 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: taken please people who have been charged in other venues. 223 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 3: So you know, all those are a few of the 224 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 3: things that could be working in Jack Smith's favor right now. 225 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: But look, this guy is not done. We've seen what 226 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 3: he's capable. He's flagrantly violating a court order in the 227 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 3: DC case by filing court related motions or trial related 228 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: mote which is why Donald Trump's legal team whiled on 229 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 3: asked the judge to hold Jacksmith's team in contempt for 230 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: violating this temporary stay on trial proceedings until there's a 231 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: decision on the immunity matter. So he doesn't care none 232 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 3: of as I said, none of the rules, none of 233 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 3: the laws, none of the regulations applied Jack Smith. So 234 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 3: this is where that sort of decision Colorado and Maine 235 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 3: could help him out if he is seeking more criminal 236 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: indictments against Trump. 237 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,599 Speaker 1: Last question, Julie quickly here. Biden is speaking in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, 238 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: in about an hour a day early to celebrate the 239 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: third anniversary of jan six. Do you think that speech 240 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: is going to have residence? Do you think jan six 241 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: still moves people? 242 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 3: I think it is such a sign of desperation, and 243 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: for me and others who covered this, and thank you 244 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: both for helping cover my work, it is a sign 245 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 3: of desperation. They know that January sixth narrative is unraveling 246 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: at so many levels. Public trust in what's happening. You 247 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 3: see the Washington Post poll where support of the j 248 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 3: six insurrection storyline is disintegrating. And now you have the 249 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 3: Biden campaign saying in some ways January sixth was worse 250 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 3: than the Civil War, which is what his deputy campaign No, 251 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, his campaign manager said in a call with 252 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 3: the press this week. Well, at least during the Civil 253 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 3: War you didn't have insurrection to storming the capital. That's 254 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 3: what she actually said. It's a sign of desperation and 255 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: should be a positive sign for the rest of us 256 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 3: that the truth is coming out. The left to Democrats, 257 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: Biden and media are on the run because this whole 258 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 3: narrative is collapsing. 259 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: Thank you, Julie. By the way, as a Civil War 260 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: history nerd, I can point out the reason there was 261 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: no attack on the capitol was because there were lots 262 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: of forts that surrounded Washington, d C. During the Civil War, 263 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: and in fact, if they could have, the South would 264 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: have taken Washing DC and into the war. 265 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 2: That was the entire point. Thanks Julie. I mean the 266 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: British burned it down in eighteen twelve just to be mean, 267 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: just to be mean. 268 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: They were prickly. 269 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: It's like they had run out of tea and crumpets, 270 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 2: and they wanted to just burn down our white house 271 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 2: like the mean old Brits. They are. 272 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: Hey, Richmond burned and much of the South burned. Atlanta 273 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: got burned down. If you could take a city you tried. 274 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: If you're looking for a way to reduce your monthly 275 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: expenses in the new year, consider switching your cell phone 276 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: service to Pure Talk. 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Tune in every day 298 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: to the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show Joy. 299 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: Behar missed Clay while he was out of the country 300 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: in Australia, and she wants to remind him to get boosted, boosted, 301 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: and boosted again. 302 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 4: Play for look at what's happening with these anti vax people. 303 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 4: You know, I said this the other day. I have 304 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 4: been boosted and boosted and boosted, so I got it COVID. 305 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 4: It does not prevent you from getting COVID, but you 306 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 4: don't die from it, right, And yet you have people 307 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 4: like this Robert Kennedy Junior, who's going out there and 308 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 4: attacking Fauci and saying that it's a bad thing to get. 309 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: He's not saying it's SATs are. He's actually believed I know. 310 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 4: But this is fake news, and that's another thing, fake news, 311 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 4: alternative facts, all of that started recently. To that point. 312 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 4: People need to check their sources. 313 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: I mean, we've. 314 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 4: Only listen to what we say. I'm telling them, We 315 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 4: tell the truth. 316 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: Don't you love that, Clay when it comes to medical advice, 317 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: listen to the ladies of the view and ignore the 318 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 2: fact that almost nobody is getting this booster. It's not 319 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: even just a Republican thing anymore. 320 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: Well, the aarp I saw this, just sent out to 321 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: all their members that you need to get your eighth 322 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: COVID shot. 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Paid for by 341 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 2: Palm Beach Research Group. 342 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all 343 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. We roll into the weekend, 344 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: getting ten days out from what will soon be the 345 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: Iowa Caucuses. Had a great time in Australia. Appreciate Michael 346 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: Berry sitting in Buck helping to carry the load. Whole 347 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: family was down there, fabulous time. I'll continue to tell 348 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: you all the brilliant things that I learned while in Australia. Buck. 349 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: Did you see Mark Cuban and Elon Musk going at 350 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: it on Twitter yesterday? 351 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: Yes? 352 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: I did so. I think the best way to attack 353 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: diversity the deis the diversity, inclusion and equity universe that's 354 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: been created is by pointing to athletics. And by athletics, 355 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: I mean, if, for instance, you looked at the US 356 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: men's basketball team, it's best in the world. We dominate basketball, 357 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: as we dominate many other different different sports as well. 358 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: The great thing about sports is best man or best 359 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: woman wins. Sometimes it's the best man pretending to be 360 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: a woman. But that only exists in states like Ohio, 361 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: where I don't know if you mentioned Buck, but Mike DeWine, 362 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: the idiot governor there, decided that he was not going 363 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: to reject that. But the black dominance of basketball pretty 364 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: well established. The twelve best basketball players in the United 365 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: States right now are all black. Black men represent only 366 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: thirteen percent of the United States. 367 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 2: I mean, you're isn't isn't a Djokich the best player 368 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: in the NBA right now? 369 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: Us men's team? Oh, I'm sorry you said US men's 370 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: team part, Yeah, the US men's basketball team. Yes, Jokich 371 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: is the reigning MVP the Denver Nuggets. That's an impressive 372 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: knowledge by you. The Denver Nuggets are. 373 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: The defending To get some sports knowledge in there, to 374 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 2: try to make up for my role Tide disaster, I 375 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: meant to say, go who blow that one. 376 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: Go Blue Michigan. Michigan won and is advancing to play 377 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: for the national title Monday, and Good State good the 378 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: location of Houston. So arguably two of the five best 379 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: players in the NBA right now are white. They're both foreign. 380 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: Luca don Chik from down in down in Dallas playing 381 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: with the Mavericks right now. And then you've got Djokovic 382 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: who is playing, sorry Nicole Jokich, who is playing right 383 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: now for the Denver Nuggets. Yokovic is down in Australia 384 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: where I was. The paper's were covering him quite a 385 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: lot as he gets ready for the Australian Open, because 386 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: miraculously he is allowed in. By the way, no restrictions 387 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: for anybody out there. Some people are asking, I never 388 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: got the COVID shot there now and there's no mention 389 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: virtually of COVID anywhere in Australia. Now. They were wrong 390 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: on it completely. They are just pretending that it never 391 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: happened in Australia. I saw zero COVID restriction, zero mentioned 392 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: when you walk in questioning, no question even if you 393 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 1: got the shot, no questions about it at all. 394 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: I never got the COVID. It's shameful that they don't 395 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 2: have restrictions. It's shameful that they pretend like they didn't 396 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: become East Germany with koalas. It's crazy. 397 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: I was told a great I went out for drinks 398 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: with a guy down there travels back and forth to 399 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: the United States quite a lot as involved in media business. 400 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: He said Buck and I couldn't get over this that 401 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: after the US had opened up and Australia remained doing 402 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: its COVID insanity. He said that you could fly on 403 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: a flight from LA to Australia and when you hit 404 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: Australian International waters, after you had been on the airplane 405 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: for twelve or thirteen hours, they would come on the 406 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: PA and tell everyone they needed to put a mask on. 407 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 2: Think about how crazy that is. 408 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: You take off in the US, you fly for any 409 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: of you have ever been on one of these flights, 410 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: and I had never been on a flight this long before. 411 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: You fly for fourteen or fifteen hours, and when they 412 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: they hit Australian International waters, which is probably only an 413 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: hour left in the flight or so, they came on 414 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: the PA and required everyone to put masks on. That's 415 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: how crazy Australia was. But I would this all came 416 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: up because, again, the twelve US men's basketball players right 417 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: now are all black. There are only about thirteen percent 418 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: of the United States population that is black. So if 419 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: you wanted the US men's basketball team to look like 420 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: America and to accurately reflect our diversity, you know what 421 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: you'd have to do, Buck, You'd have to fire ten 422 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: black guys. You'd have to fire only two black guys 423 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: would be allowed to be on the US men's basketball team. 424 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: You'd have to fire ten black guys. And you'd have 425 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: to replace him with inferior players who were white, Asian 426 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: or Hispanic. And Mark Cuban was out. And Mark Cuban 427 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: is a real disappointment to me, Buck, because he used 428 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: to be a used to be kind of a creative thinker, 429 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: a disruptor of sorts. That's what he was with the 430 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: Dallas Mavericks when he bought the team. Now he's just 431 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: gelded himself. He just has absolutely no balls, and he 432 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: runs around on social media just curled up in the 433 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: fetal position all the time. And Elon Musk called him 434 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: out and said, when Mark Cuban was out here saying 435 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: talking about why DEI is so great, Elon Musk just responded, cool, 436 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: so when should we expect to see a short, white 437 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: Asian woman on the MAVs, which is very, very funny. 438 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: But again, sports is a perfect example of how diversity 439 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: and inclusion not only can make no sense, but how 440 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: it could actually destroy a team. And using the US 441 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: men's basketball team is a great example because if you 442 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: really wanted a accurate representation of America, you'd have to 443 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: fire a bunch of black guys because the US men's 444 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: basketball team is only is made up of all black men, 445 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: it's only thirteen percent black, And I just I always 446 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,239 Speaker 1: think that's a perfect representation of how broken all of 447 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: this is. You can have a quality and not have 448 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: equal outcomes, and that doesn't seem to be something that 449 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: registers in the left. And you never hear any complaint 450 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: about a absence of diversity when any group that is 451 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: that is considered diverse dominates, right, And that's why the 452 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: US men's basketball team is a good example. But Elon 453 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: Musk asking when there's going to be an Asian woman 454 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: on the Dallas Mavericks team is also pretty funny because 455 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: obviously no woman could ever make any pro men's team. 456 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 2: Well, you saw you saw that Mark Cuban was essentially 457 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 2: talking in circles, which is what always ends up happening 458 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 2: with people who want to defend this DEI stuff at 459 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 2: AFPR rational because they say, no, it's it's not about 460 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: just it's about like the totality of the picture, and 461 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 2: you're not changing standards and it's just about finding talent 462 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 2: where other Well, then why do you need it if 463 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: people are just as good, why do you have to 464 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 2: change the standards. You can't change standards and then say 465 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 2: you're not allowed to say that you change standards. The 466 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 2: whole system is built on this. You can't say, oh, 467 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 2: we're not looking at the sat in grades anymore in 468 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 2: college admissions for certain people, or we're not you know, 469 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 2: or we're going to look at them very differently, and 470 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 2: then say, hey, you're not allowed to point out that 471 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 2: we've lowered standards for certain groups. The whole system is 472 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 2: built on lies. That's why it's in it. By the way, 473 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 2: a frontive action is one of the first things, one 474 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 2: of the first things that I encountered as a young 475 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 2: adult where I was like, well, this is wrong. It 476 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 2: was one of the first things that made me a conservative. 477 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 2: I mean I was like fifteen, but I remember seeing 478 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: this and because there's how to do with college applications, 479 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 2: you know, because I went to a school where I 480 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 2: had you know, I had Filipino and Korean classmates whose 481 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: parents spoke almost no English, who came here penniless, and 482 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 2: you know, they were getting fifteen eighty on the SATs 483 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 2: and four point zeros and they were trying to get 484 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 2: you know, extra money to go to state school. Not 485 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 2: that it's bad to go to state school, but you know, 486 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 2: the SUMI system is not as elite as some of 487 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 2: the other state schools. Meanwhile, the black and Latino kids 488 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: in my class were picking which Ivy League school they 489 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: wanted to go to, not getting into an Ivy League school. 490 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 2: It was like, oh, well, you know, you get to 491 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 2: go After a while, people look at this like what 492 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 2: is this. 493 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: It's the racial spoil system and it's broken. And the 494 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 1: argument that we have ended up in a better place, 495 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: I think is totally wrong because the idea was in 496 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties that eventually you would get judged based 497 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: on the content of your character and not the color 498 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: of your skin. And somehow we've ended up judging everything 499 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: based on the content not on the content of your character, 500 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: but the color of your skin. That's an MLK quote 501 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: what he hoped for in the nineteen sixties. Also, Buck, 502 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't even make sense from the diversity argument anymore. 503 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: And the whole diversity argument comes out of a refusal 504 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: to strike down affirmative action in the Supreme Court and 505 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 1: instead argue that diversity itself can be a goal worthy 506 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 1: of pursuing. But if you actually even read that, the 507 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: goal of the diversity argument was to allow a variety 508 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: of perspectives, what it's ended up with is you have 509 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: a whole lot of people who may look cosmetically different, 510 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: but all have the exact same opinion. I mean, what 511 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: really matters is not diversity of color, it's diversity of thought. 512 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: I went to I mean, there were kids I went 513 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: to Amherst with and had classmates who were black, who 514 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: had parents who were university professors and doctors, and or 515 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: kids went to private, you know, forty thousand dollar year 516 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: private schools in New York and Boston and then went 517 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: to prep schools like Exeter and andover in these places 518 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: that cost now like seventy grand a year or something, 519 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: and they were in class with me and it's. 520 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 2: Like, what was the what was the Russian that was 521 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 2: faced here? I mean, you know, and by the way, 522 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 2: did some of them get in with better grades and 523 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 2: better SATs than other clouds? Probably? But I don't know, 524 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 2: because I know there were kids who got in who 525 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 2: got a leg up because of their ethnicity. I mean, 526 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 2: this was just obvious. This was this was what's going on. 527 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 2: But see when you talk about it, they're like, you're 528 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 2: not allowed to talk about it. You would say, why 529 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: is that? 530 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: Here's the way to think about it too. Prince Harry 531 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: and Megan Markles kids, they're going to identify as black 532 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: if they apply to American schools. Now, the reality is 533 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: they're famous, so they probably get in any way. But 534 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: when you're talking about I don't know what percentage black 535 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: is Prince Harry and Megan Markle's kid an eighth? Is 536 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: the math right on that? I think the math is 537 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: right on that they'll be like an eighth black. Are 538 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: you really telling me that Prince Harry and Megan Markles 539 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: kids are in some way discriminated against and need to 540 00:29:53,640 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: be rectified from affirmative action. It's crazy. It's crazy that 541 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: you have kids who are incredibly privileged that use race 542 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: as the determining factor to be able to get into 543 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: a school. 544 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 2: You know, you were gone, Clay when they finally were 545 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 2: able to push Claudie and Gay the president of Harvard 546 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 2: design she's keeping her nine hundred thousand dollars salary to 547 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: be a professor in the political science department. But the 548 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,239 Speaker 2: reason that there was, I mean, there was a lot 549 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: of reasons. One of the reasons there was such a 550 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 2: frenzy on the left to defend her is that what 551 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 2: was exposed was that not only was this wasn't someone 552 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: who got some tie breaking advantage. And I hate that too, 553 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: by the way, the notion of oh, it's just for 554 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 2: tie If it were just for tie breaking advantage, they 555 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 2: wouldn't get so angry at the prospect of it going away. 556 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: It is massive. 557 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren wouldn't have been able to teach a community 558 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: college if she weren't claiming to be Native American, and 559 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, she's teaching at Harvard. Okay, we 560 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 2: know this system, we know how it works. With Claudie 561 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 2: and Gay, this is a woman they elevated and celebrated 562 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 2: as the president of Harvard University who also was not 563 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 2: qualified to teach at a community college. That's the truth. 564 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 2: She's an iarist who did no real scholarship of writing whatsoever, 565 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 2: of any significance. 566 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: That's the part that amazes me. She didn't even write 567 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: a book. I mean, all she does is be a professor. 568 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: She wrote, she published eleven articles. I went back, like, 569 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: let's leave aside the plagiarism aspects of her career. The 570 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: fact that she was able to become a president of 571 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: a university without any substantial element of scholarship and impressive 572 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: work is the most staggering aspect of this is just 573 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: how underqualified she was. 574 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: But that's what I mean. This is what Mark Cuban 575 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 2: was saying too, which is always the big lie about 576 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 2: this stuff, which is, oh, it's just about holistic view 577 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: and tiebreaker, and they used all this kind of euphemism. No, 578 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 2: it's not all right. They had a woman that, honest, 579 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 2: I don't know if she'd be really qualified to teach 580 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 2: like a high school civics course. Who was the president 581 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 2: of Harvard. Yeah, you know, so it's crazy, you know, 582 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 2: and people are, oh, but look all the like the guy, 583 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 2: the people that came before her. I'm like Larry Summers 584 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 2: was the Treasury secretary before he was the president of Harvard, Like, 585 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 2: it's a pretty big job. 586 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: Also, why should you care about anybody who had a 587 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: job before any of us were alive? But why shouldn't 588 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: we be judging that anyway? 589 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 2: That's true. You know, online identity theft is a silent 590 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 2: crime that gets very little attention in the news cycle. 591 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 2: You'd think that with more than a million reported identity 592 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 2: theft scams in just the past year, though, it would 593 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 2: get more attention. Well, we're giving it attention because we 594 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 2: want to protect you, because identity theft can be devastating 595 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 2: to individuals, to whole families. Look, I had my identity 596 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 2: stolen on your own. 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Good to have 613 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 2: you back. 614 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: You know. 615 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 2: Next week we get right into it with the debates 616 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: and the town halls and we got voting. It's actually 617 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 2: gonna happen. I'm excited because I really just I don't 618 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 2: need everyone telling me that they know what's going to 619 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 2: happen in any election anymore. I just want to see 620 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 2: what is going to happen in some of these elections 621 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 2: so we can get past the agnostication phase into the 622 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 2: analysis and what does it mean component of it all. 623 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 2: But between now and then, I'm also going to with 624 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 2: my wife and my Australian Australian labradoodle end up watching 625 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 2: the Barbie movie. I believe at some point this weekend 626 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 2: I have committed to this. I think I have to 627 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 2: see it, and I'm going to have a fulsome review 628 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 2: for everyone next week on the show. 629 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: I'm curious how many of these movies you watched. I 630 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: don't catch up on movies very often. The Wi Fi 631 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: didn't work on my flight back from Australia yesterday, so 632 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: I watched four full movies. I watched john Wick one 633 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: and two, which I had never seen, starring Keanu Reeves. 634 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,919 Speaker 1: You've seen I've never seen john Wick movies. I had 635 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: never seen. Love Actually, which everybody talks about is like 636 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: the greatest romantic comedy ever. So I watched that, and 637 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: I also watched the BlackBerry movie about the rise of 638 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: BlackBerry and then and It, which all four of them 639 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: really good. I went four for four. I you know, 640 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: they had basically all the movies. I had fifteen hours 641 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: on the airplane. So I sat and I watched all 642 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 1: four of those movies, and I thought they were all very, very. 643 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 2: Solid, pretty nicer about movies than I am. I'm I 644 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 2: feel like these days the movies with those some of 645 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 2: the I saw, I. 646 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: Responded, I saw you complaining about the number of ads 647 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: that you had to watch before the ads yes. 648 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 2: It's I mean, they might as well just strap you 649 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 2: down in the chair and hold your eyeballs, you know, 650 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 2: to the screen or something. It was so it's ridiculous. 651 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I was man buck, you're both angry about 652 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: the number of ads and movies and also what did 653 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: you say that jeans were the most overrated of all 654 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 1: the clothing clothing items? 655 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, jeans are overrated. Jeans are overrated. People could get 656 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 2: mad at me this. Oh but what about when you're 657 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 2: working or stuff. I get yourself some like five eleven 658 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 2: cargo pants or something, you'll be fine. You don't need. 659 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: We might have to have a debate about this, because 660 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: my opinion is the most overrated of all clothing items 661 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: is the scarf. 662 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 2: I feel I've shot at me because I've worn scarves 663 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 2: indoors everybody. 664 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: I'm just I really am very very anti scarf, especially 665 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: on men. I understand for women, Oh, the scarf ads 666 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: flavor and color and everything else. Any man who wears 667 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: a scarf, I'm gonna be honest, I trust less. 668 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 2: What am I supposed to wear in my smoking jacket 669 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 2: and my slippers clay scarf? 670 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,919 Speaker 1: Obviously, I also don't think it makes you warmer at all, 671 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: just wear a coat. 672 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 2: We'll talk about more, Have a good weekend,