1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: This podcast is presented by Tommy Hill, figure, a p 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: VH brand and an official partner of the New York Giants. 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huttle on giants 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: dot com. We're going on the Giants part of the 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: Giants Podcast. Welcome to the newest edition of the Giant 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: Subtle Podcast. Every year we do our beat reporter mock draft. 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: We go to our favorite beat reporters that cover the 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: teams around the league. We get their picks and see 9 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: who might be on the board for the Giants when 10 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: they select. We're keeping it simple this year. We're just 11 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: going to pick number seven, since the Giants have two 12 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: picks in the first seven selections of the NFL Draft. 13 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: Joining us first the man who covers the Jacksonville Jaguars 14 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: for ESPN, Mike Duroco. Mike, you got John schmalk here 15 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: and he's rutherfred Man. Thanks for being with us again. 16 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: How are you? I'm doing well? How about you? 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All Right, Mike, 24 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: Giants the Jaguars rather selecting a first overall place, I'm 25 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: sure they'd rather not be another reset for the organization. 26 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: I guess we can kind of start here. Is it 27 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: just like a huge breath of fresh air, like in 28 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: that building and around the facility, you know, moving on 29 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: from Urban Meyer to their new coaching staff this year 30 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: with Doug Peterson. Yeah, without question. You know, I speak 31 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 1: to people, you know, inside that building all the time, 32 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: and I asked a bunch of them, Hey, if let's 33 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: just assume last year the atmosphere um in that building 34 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: was a two with Urban Meyer. What is it now 35 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: with Doug Peterson? And you know, without a doubt, people 36 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: or without fail people are saying, you know, it's a 37 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: nine or a ten. Everybody seems to be happy, Uh 38 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: inside the building, which is certainly exchanged that. That's fantastic 39 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: And obviously the most important person in that building, Mike 40 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: is Trevor Lawrence. Given everything that was going on around 41 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: that young man last year. How would you evaluate his 42 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: rookie season. Well, if you look at if you look 43 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: at the numbers on the field, you would sit there 44 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: and go, that wasn't really good. But when you consider 45 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: everything that he had to deal with off the field, 46 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: and and there's so much stuff that that's gotten out, 47 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: but you know, that's probably just a tip of the 48 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: iceberg about how bad things were. And you know, here's 49 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: a kid that you just drop into that and he 50 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: plays quarterback and he's the savior of your franchise and 51 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: he's got to deal with all that. And look, he 52 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: was the guy that that answered questions every single week. 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: I mean, he was the guy that was unfortunately put 54 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: out there too to face the media and the music 55 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: about this team every week because urban Meyer would sit 56 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: there and go, well, you gotta ask this assistant coach, 57 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: or you gotta ask that guy, or I'm sorry for 58 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: what I did in the bar, and it was just 59 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: it was just awful. I mean, he had to Trevor 60 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: had to carry that franchise, and when you consider everything 61 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: that he had to deal with, that kind of paint 62 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 1: those offensive stats in a little bit of a different light. 63 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I give the kid in 64 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: a plus just because you know, he survived it as 65 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: a rookie in the NFL not having any experience with 66 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: this at all, and he became the team leader, he 67 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: became the team spokesman, and he handled that situation as 68 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: well as a guy that's been in this league ten 69 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: twelve years. So when you add it all together, I 70 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: probably would give that kid in a for for what 71 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: he dealt with last year. Now, how much of what 72 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: the Jaguars are going to be going forward then is 73 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: putting Trevor Lawrence in the best situation possible. And obviously 74 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: this could affect what they do in the draft, uh, 75 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: to give him the best chance to succeed, because Mike, 76 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: as you well know, they could do a great job 77 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: of roster building. If they don't. If Trevor Lawrence doesn't succeed, 78 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: nothing else really matters here, right, Rush, Yeah, without question? Uh, well, 79 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: look just look at they did in free agency and 80 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: you get a kind of an idea about that. They 81 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: added Brandon Sheriff to left guard, assuming the right guard, 82 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: the all pro right guard. They added Christian Kirk, They 83 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: added day Jones, and they added Evan her which is 84 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: a signing that people don't really talk about, but probably 85 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: is going to end up being a huge, significant upgrade 86 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: for them. So it's all about Trevor at this point 87 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: um going forward. Every every decision and that doesn't mean 88 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: every single decision you make or every player you bring 89 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: in as an offensive guy and as a receiver or 90 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: skill guy or what have you. But you know, you've 91 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: got to make your franchise around your franchise quarterback. And 92 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: that's what I guess the Jags are starting to do 93 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: at this point. They should have done that last year 94 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: but really didn't get that going for obvious reasons. But 95 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: everything has to be how can we help Trevor? How 96 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: do we help Trevor develop? How do we help Trevor 97 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: reaches potential? That has to be the way they approach 98 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: everything they do as long as they have Trevor Lawrence 99 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: in the fold. So what would you evaluate then as 100 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: the Jaguars biggest needs obviously a team that's picking first, 101 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: so for all, they have a lot of them on 102 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball, So right, what would you evaluate? 103 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: What not that freading he's done? Where do they need 104 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: the most help heading into the draft? To me, it's 105 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: pass rush? Uh, They have Josh Allen on the edge, 106 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 1: and you know, he has his best year as a rookie. 107 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: Canna have sacks, made the Pro Bowls an alternative, but 108 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: he had Clais Campbell and he had Unique and Gothway 109 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: on the field with him. And once those guys left, um, 110 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: you know, he's just not been the same guy. He's 111 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: he's a good player and a solid decent pass rusher, 112 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: but he needs help. And you're playing in the a 113 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: f C and we we we know what's going on 114 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: in the a f cust but you also have Joe Burrow, 115 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: you have Lamar Jackson, you have uh Josh Allen that 116 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: you have to deal with. You have Mac Jones. Uh. 117 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: You know, you've got to be able to get after 118 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: the quarterback. That's their number one need. And then after 119 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: that I probably would go with, um, you know, linebacker, 120 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: they've got to add some depth at linebacker there as well. 121 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: They still probably need an interior offensive lineman to to 122 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: you know, fill out that group they are. And then 123 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: after that I still would say, you know, maybe uh, 124 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: another corner and another wide receiver to be honest with you, 125 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: and an outside guy that can really run. So that's 126 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: kind of where I would rank their needs at this point. 127 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: All right, we are recording this Mike nine days before 128 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: the draft. There, you know, I don't know the last 129 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: time we've had this much uncertainty over who the number 130 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: one pick is this close to the draft. I feel 131 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: like it's been a while. Maybe the Baker Mayfield pick. 132 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: So give me your best prediction or guests, however you 133 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: want to phrase it. Nine days out, who did the 134 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: Jaguars take with the first overall pick in the draft? Yeah, 135 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: there there is a lot of uncertainty, and and you know, 136 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: if you look at all the mock drafts that are 137 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: coming out now, they're certainly markedly different from one to 138 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: another and from what they were maybe a month ago. 139 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: But you know, I think the Jaguars go eighton Hutchinson. 140 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: He's a uh, he feels one of their major needs. Uh. 141 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: He's a guy that has proven um production at at 142 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: a big time elite level. And he's you know, he's 143 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: he's a culture building guy. You can build your defensive 144 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: culture around this guy. I just think it's you know, 145 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: there's there's some talking about Traymon Walker, who had a 146 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: massive combine, but men, Hutchinson is such a safer pick. 147 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: I think you know what you're gonna get. You just 148 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: plug him in there, and he's ten years in the league, 149 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: and and you know he's, you know, a double digit 150 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: sack guy that that's what you need. You've got to 151 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: get after those quarterbacks. And I think the Jaguars make 152 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: the safe pick and go with Hutchinson, and you know, 153 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: then they addressed those other needs starting in the second round. 154 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: You mentioned Trayvon Walker is the possibility. He's the hot 155 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: name right now. Would anyone else you think, realistically and 156 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: seriously be in the mix besides those two guys. I 157 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: do think Evan Neel is a guy that that should 158 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: be under considered. The Jaguars have under consideration. I know, 159 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: you know they talk about they want to work out 160 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: a long term deal with Cam Robinson at left tackle, 161 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: but so far that hasn't materialized. You can take and 162 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: Neil and you play him for a year left guard, 163 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: just the way that we're Ravens did with Jonathan Ogten, 164 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: and then next year you're not bringing Cam Robinson back obviously, 165 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: and then you plugged him out at left tackle and 166 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: he's your left tackle for time to twelve years. So 167 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: I think those three guys Hutchinson, Walker and Neil are 168 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: under consideration, and if if the pick isn't one of 169 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: those three, I'd be really surprised. But I think the 170 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: Jaguars do the safe and smart thing and take us 171 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: and Mike by the way, before we say goodbye. You 172 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: will love Evan Ingram. Uh. That kid. He is such 173 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: a nice guy and just great to talk to. He 174 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: got put in a bad situation here. Uh. You know 175 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: a lot of different coordinators, quarterbacks. You know, the fans 176 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: game a really hard time. But I know everyone in 177 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: this building, from the coaches to his teammates to his players, 178 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: they all loved him. Everyone did, and you will have 179 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: a great time covering him. He's really a really good kid. Well, 180 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: and that's good to hear. I mean we we got 181 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: him obviously at a press conference setting after the signing, 182 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: and some of that kind of came through. He was 183 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: pretty um interesting to talk too, good to deal with 184 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: and had some really good insight. And you know, I'm 185 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: looking forward to being media being able to get back 186 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: into the locker room and talk to these guys and 187 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: one on one. So that's gonna be that's gonna be fantastic. 188 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: And and Neil is definitely one of those guys that 189 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: I are seeing the Ingram is definitely one of those 190 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: guys that I want to get to know a little better. Yeah, 191 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: you will definitely like him, and I can't wait to 192 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: get back in that locker room as well. Good stuff, Mike, 193 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: We really appreciate thanks so much. Anything you want to 194 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: put out there where the where the folks can find you, 195 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: anything you have on your plate right now. Yeah, you 196 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: know you can find me on Twitter at ESPN, D 197 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: I R O C C O, and uh, you know, 198 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: hopefully we'll uh will I'll look like a genius when 199 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: they make that Hutchinson pick. That's uh, that's basically what 200 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: I'm hoping for. At this point, he look at Mike. 201 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: I know you guys have the first pick and everything 202 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: they have C South as much as any other division 203 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: is wide open this year. So maybe you guys can 204 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: make a little noise if if you know, Lawrence takes 205 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: a big leap and some of these other young guys 206 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 1: play well, who knows, best of luck this year, man, 207 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: have fun, appreciate it. That's Mike de Rocco again. He 208 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: covers the Aaxonville Jaguars for ESPN and then we welcome 209 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: in our next guest. Now, the fun part of this 210 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: mock draft today, folks, is that we are doing all 211 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: these picks back to back to back, So I'm gonna 212 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: bring the next guest on it. They're not gonna know 213 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: who the picks are, so we're gonna get live reactions 214 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: just like GM's in a row room, which is great. 215 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: So let's go to pick number two. He is Jeffers. 216 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: Don you firt amount of programming. I think this is 217 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: the third time this draft season he's from real GM 218 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 1: also covers the lines for Lions Wire. Jeff is good 219 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: to talk to you again, man. How are you very 220 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: good to be with you. I'm very curious as doing 221 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: how this board is playing out, even though I'm picking 222 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: the second year, because I don't know, yes, and and 223 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: it shows you by the way, and I said this 224 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: to Mike when I called him, this is probably as 225 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: much uncertainty. And we're recording this nine days before the 226 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: draft that we've had with that first overall pick, probably 227 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: since Baker Mayfield, right, and we kind of had figured 228 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: that out, you know, maybe three or four days prior. 229 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: So who do you think the Jaguars pick. Let's let's 230 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: have some fun with that. I think they I think 231 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: they took Trayvon Walker, but I don't know, bet Um, 232 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's it's still very much up 233 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: in the air. Like I was talking to people yesterday, 234 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: this is such a fun draft. I'm enjoying the fact 235 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: that I don't know who's going at one, two, three, 236 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: four or five. I gotta like it that way. It's 237 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: it's a little bit more fun. I like, I like 238 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: to suspense, accuse me engaged. Yes, and Jeff, they did 239 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: not make it that easy for you. They selected Adian 240 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: Hutchinson out of Michigan, so they know was the the 241 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: easy run up the cards scenario for the hometown boy 242 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: in Detroit. Uh is not going to work out, So 243 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: Hutchinson is off the board. The lines are up here 244 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: at number two. Let's start here. Um. This is the 245 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: year two of the Dan Campbell regime. Is this still 246 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: build slowly since the team doesn't have their franchise quarterback? 247 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: Is a big jump expected this year where they in 248 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: their stage of their building process, they are looking to 249 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: get better. They are looking to make it work around 250 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: Jared Goff that I know a lot of people will 251 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: roll their eyes when they hear that this regime re 252 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: lead likes Jared Goff and they think that it can 253 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: work long term. Now would would they be opposed to 254 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: they can a quarterback later that maybe you could challenge them. 255 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: Probably not, but I can't happened in it too. Their 256 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: goal is to build a team that can rise up 257 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: out of the seller of the NFC North, and with 258 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: the way that things have gone in Chicago that that's 259 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: not an unrealistic expectation this year. It's you've got to 260 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: get playmakers though. This team is devoid of playmakers on 261 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: both sides of the football. So at number two, you've 262 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: got to get somebody who can come in right away 263 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: and make a positive impact in a position, uh, an 264 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: important position, whether that's pass rush or defensive back or 265 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: wide receiver. They're good on the offensive line, that everywhere 266 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: else pretty much needs some help. So that that that's 267 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 1: sort of where they're at. Yeah, you kind of touched 268 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: on there very quickly. Can you dig a little bit 269 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: deeper into what the biggest needs are for Detroit here? Yeah, 270 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 1: So the biggest needs they have to get a playmaker 271 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: in the back end of the defense, and it's more 272 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: likely to come at safety than It is a corner there, 273 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: dec at corner that's got a lot of young players 274 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: that have showed some promise there safety right now is 275 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: Tracy Walker, Um Deshaun Elliot who they signed last week 276 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: on a one year deal, who's missed more games and 277 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: he's played um and and that's it like that. That's 278 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: literally their safety room. And this is a defense that 279 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: wants to run three safeties as a base defense some 280 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: of the time. So they got to get somebody in there. 281 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: So Kyle Hamilton is absolutely in play here. Pass Rush, 282 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: Romeo Aquara his little brother Julian are one side. They 283 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: Romeo was great in got got tenant half sacks with 284 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: devoid of any schematic help last year's reclamation project. Charles 285 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: Harris is on the other side. They gotta get somebody 286 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: who's better than those guys. No offense to either of 287 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: those guys that the book. Those guys can play, but 288 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: they got to get the guy who can get you 289 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: twelve and a half or more sacks year in year 290 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: out and not being a liability against the run on 291 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: the way there too. They so that's well, that's Trayvon Walker, 292 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: Cavon Tibodeaux, Jermaine Johnson enters the picture here that those 293 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: are all the guys. That's probably about the only place 294 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: we're considering like wide receivers. They need help, Um that 295 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: that's coming thirty two, thirty four or sixty six when 296 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: they pick later on. You're not here to taking a 297 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: wide receiver two in this draft, you know, Jeff and 298 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: And I think that's actually an interesting question to ask you. Then, 299 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: since they're picking a thirty two and thirty four, they 300 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: have to pick from the Rams from the golf trade 301 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: the thirty second overall pick. Of course, I'm sure Line 302 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: and just sitting there. Of course this is here the 303 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: Rams in the Super Bowl the year we have their 304 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: first round pick. But um, how much do they calculate? 305 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: All right, where's the depth in this draft? What can 306 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: we get a thirty two and thirty four? Will that 307 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: impact what they do with two? Or when you're picking 308 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: that high, are they just thinking, all right, we're gonna 309 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: pick the guy we think where is going to be 310 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: the best player period. It's a very good question, and 311 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: I do think it impacts him, and I think it 312 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: rules out Kyle Hamilton's it too, because this is a 313 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: phenomenal safety class. So you can get me Louis sing Uh, 314 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: Decks and Hill, Jalen Petre and guy like that at 315 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: thirty two or thirty four. Is there that big of 316 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: a drive off from from Hamilton's um. Look, Hamilton's the 317 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: best player on my board. I think he's the number 318 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: one player in this draft for me. But to drop 319 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: off from from those from him to those guys is 320 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: not as radical as what it is from getting your 321 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: top pass rusher here to getting a guy like like 322 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: boy A Mafe or or George Carlstus or somebody like 323 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: that down in that range. So I'm looking pass rush here, 324 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: and I think that's their mindset too. I think they're 325 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: gonna go with pass rush. And I'll tell you this 326 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: right now, I'm not sure that they know who they're 327 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: taking it to yet, So this will be just my 328 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: best educated cast that what we know they've met with 329 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: all those guys. Uh, they worked out Trayvon Walker at 330 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: at his pro day. In fact, Kelvin Supper is the 331 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: Lions linebackers coach. He actually put through the drills at linebacker. 332 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: And this is gonna sound crazy. He was faster in 333 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: those drules than Nakobe Dean was that that's what kind 334 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: of athlete you're looking at Travon Walker. That that's why 335 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: people are intrigued in him. Uh yeah, and he does 336 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: that at Uh Dan is five eleven roughly to twenty 337 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: Walker is what six five to seventy five? Um, that 338 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: that tells you what kind of a special athlete you're 339 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: looking at. And that's that's one of the reasons why 340 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: he's in primary consideration. But okay, I spent a lot 341 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: of time on Caveon Thibodeaux. The General Andrew brad Holmes 342 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: saw him play in person last fall. It was the 343 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: only college football game that he went to. He's been 344 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: out there. They sent seven people to his pro day. 345 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: They're clearly interested. Does that mean that they like him? 346 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: Who knows? I kind of think they do, though, Um, look, 347 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of smoke out there that they don't 348 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: actually like him. To Dan Campbell in specific is opposed 349 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: to him, I can't verify those. Um, they've been out there, 350 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: and it's not just the Lions that have that he's 351 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: a peculiar dude. He's not gonna be for everybody. Um 352 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: that they have to weigh whether he's his upside is 353 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: that much better than a guy like like Jermaine Johnson 354 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: or dray Von Walker. Johnson I don't think gets enough run. 355 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: He's a very legitimate consideration too, with how he rushed 356 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: the passer. The Lions coached him in Mobile as a 357 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: senior Bowl. They loved him. He was phenomenal down there. 358 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: He was as impactful of the defensive player as I've 359 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 1: seen in Mobile in the fourteen years that I've gone 360 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: down there. He was that good. So so he's certainly 361 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: a consideration here too. Interesting. All right, So you talked 362 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: about Thibodeaux in depth, and by the way, Kelvin Shepard 363 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: was up here with the Giants for You're a great guy. Awesome, 364 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: awesome dude. I'm happy to that guy. I'll tell you 365 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: right now that guy is going to be either a 366 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator or running a college program very soon. No, absolutely, 367 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: really smart guy too, awesome, just great dude, a great 368 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: So what's the calculation there? You already talked about Thibodeau. 369 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: How about Walker, who we know doesn't have the production 370 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: but has all the traits and played really well at George's, 371 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: just didn't have the sack production right, And then they 372 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: got like Johnson, who's the opposite right, he leaves Georgia 373 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: to get that sack. Production. I agree. You know, honestly, 374 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: if I'm asking for one guy on one play to 375 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: line up one on one on the and get a sack, 376 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: he might be the guy picking in the draft. I 377 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: think that's a legitimate conversation. So what's the calculation or 378 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: Jeff for the front office when you're talking about Walker 379 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: and Johnson, you know, I think one of the things 380 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: that you're looking at is that this is a regime 381 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: that cannot afford to miss here. Uh and and as 382 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: as much as they talk about, you know, Thibodeau's upside, 383 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: there's considerable downside with him. He has prolonged stretches on tape, 384 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: and this leads to people asking, you know, well, let's 385 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: question his effort. Is he really trying all that hard? Well, 386 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: if he's not trying all if he is trying all 387 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: that hard, like there there's there's long stretches in games 388 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: where he's just not doing anything. He's like, you know 389 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: the meme with the stick. You know, Pope, do something, dude. Um. 390 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: I don't think that they're I think that's going to 391 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: scare them, quite frankly, more than than Trayvon Walker's lack 392 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: of production at Georgia scares them. Uh and Johnson like 393 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: for all the hubub he's a one year wonder. He 394 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: did not do great at Georgia. He did, he did 395 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: good things there in a limited role, but also he 396 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: bunced around a little bit. This is a team that, 397 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: for look, not not to disparage your main Johnson at all, 398 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: he was an academic non qualifier coming out of school. 399 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: That goes against the grain for what this regime in 400 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: particular looks for that. This is a team that values 401 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 1: academics and off field accomplishments very highly. He just doesn't 402 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: have that, So that that's why he knows. I think 403 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: in all the calculus there, the science new point, the Walker, 404 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: and you already mentioned they have a good offensive line, 405 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: so tackles probably off the board. You don't think there's 406 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: any chance at a corner here either. You gotta at 407 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: least mentioned the concept of Sauce Gardner. But this is 408 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: a team They took Jeff Okuda two years ago at 409 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: number three overall. Look, Okuda has been hurt, but even 410 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: before he was hurt, he wasn't living up that building. Um. Look, 411 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 1: he's got he's got a big target on him. The 412 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: other thing, the best quarner on this team last year 413 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: was an undrafted rookie free ancient named Jerry Jacobs. Jerry 414 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: can play. That guy's really good. I think they like 415 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: the ability to develop the young talent Amanti Ora Wire 416 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: you on the other side, six interceptions last year, best 417 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: tackler in the open field most of the time on 418 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: the defense. They're happy with what they got there. That 419 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: they have they got if you have to Millie fum 420 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: moved from last year, they had a good core of 421 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: young talent. If if Alcuda is healthy and back, they 422 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: actually could be pretty good at the corner. So I 423 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: don't think that they're going to take Sauce, but they 424 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: have to have that conversation too, because he is special. 425 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: He is different. He is Sauce Island, uh and that 426 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: that like, who doesn't need an Island corner? You know, right, Jeff, 427 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: you're up in number two, eight hundreds off the board. 428 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: Who are the line selecting with the second overall pick 429 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: in the draft. I'm gonna go with Trayvon Walker, the 430 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: defensive end from Georgia. All right, give me a summary 431 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: why I I think he his blend of high floor 432 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: and incredibly high trades um. It trumps the production that 433 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: that he had. I think the Lions feel pretty good 434 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: at the defensive line that they've got around him. They've 435 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: got a got a veteran and Michael Brocker's who can 436 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: help mentor him who's been around greatness before, and and 437 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald when he was out in uh in Los 438 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: Angeles with the Rams. I think he fits in. They 439 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: don't need him to get like be the the the 440 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: initial plant or like Charles Harris is back, o'clara is back. 441 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: Like they can work him in as part of a 442 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: rotation that he's comfortable with. He's proven that he can 443 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: do that. He can play anywhere on the line. I 444 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: think that's a big thing. This is a team that's 445 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: gonna go with a three man front at times, a 446 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: four man front most of the time. But he can 447 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: play outside, he can he can kick inside. The athletic 448 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: potential again, this is a guy his physical comparisons are 449 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett and J. J. Watt. Put those two hands together, 450 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: You've got yourself an incredible potential player. And I think 451 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: they like their coaching staff abolty to develop that talent. 452 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: So I think they're gonna go with Trayvon Walker here 453 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: and if Hutchinson's there, he's the pick. I wouldn't say absolutely, 454 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: but absolutely you. I've always good talking to you. By Fred. 455 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate it, enjoyed the draft and and we'll see 456 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: exactly what happens. It should be an exciting couple of days. Awesome, 457 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: Thanks so much. That's Jeff Risden. He covers the lines 458 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: for Lions Wire and of course the Draft in Hole 459 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: for Real GM. Now we move on to our third 460 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: pick of the draft. A new member of our Giants podcast. 461 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: Fou only had a chance to spend some time with 462 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: him down in Indianapolis at the Combine. He is John Harris. 463 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: He covers the Houston Texans. John, It's good to talk 464 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: to you, man, and tell the folks where they can 465 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 1: find your stuff and what you're up to. Yeah, I'm 466 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: a sidelot reporter for the Texans and I'm in the 467 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: building every single day, so I've seen you guys coming 468 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: in for the off season program, which has been kind 469 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: of nice. And I get to hang with Lovey Smith, 470 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: who is maybe the coolest cat on the face of 471 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: the year. It's really happy for him as he used 472 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: to do head coach to Houston, Texans, and so hopefully 473 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: we can take this big canker and start moving it 474 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: back in the in the right direction after a couple 475 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: of years and just some really uh just tough stuff 476 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: that happened here in the building. Uh, and with a 477 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: quarterback who was no longer here. Yeah, it's funny. We 478 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time off air down in in 479 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: in Indee, you know, talking about how that DeShawn Watson 480 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: thing would finally wrap up. I got to imagine they're 481 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: pretty happy with the return they got given everything that 482 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: was swirling around the quarterback. John, Yeah, John, I got. 483 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: I felt the same. And it really was Nick as 484 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: Stereo who drove that and said the way that he 485 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: handled all of that in that situation was so much 486 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: more complicated because of the Shan's trade clause, and the 487 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: way that Nick handled I thought was was brilliant. Said, look, 488 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: you gotta have uh, you know, the American Idol Golden 489 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: ticket to get to Hollywood, so to speak. And if 490 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: you've got that, then we'll let you talk to the Seawan. 491 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: He handled it brilliantly, got the three first round picks, 492 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: but he ended up getting a third La force as well, 493 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: and for everything that was swirling around to Sean, I 494 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: think to be able to bring that Draft Capital Act 495 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: to Houston something over the next three years, I think 496 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: it was just huge. So and then of course on 497 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: top of the fact that Deshan takes all that ample 498 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: baggage he had legally and that all moves up to Cleveland. 499 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: And in the press conference the day after the trade, 500 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: I think it was the first sentence that Nick Kisserrio said. 501 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: He just was asked about it, and he said, you 502 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: know what, we all have clarity now, and that's what 503 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: we were looking for it last year at this time 504 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: it was so murky. I mean, we couldn't see two 505 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: feet in front of our face down in the ocean. 506 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: But now we're swimming around in blue waters. We know 507 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: where we want to go. We've got some ample trade 508 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: or draft assets to maybe trade down, maybe get more 509 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: to build this thing back up where we had it. 510 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: But now there's clarity, and I think that's a that's 511 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: a good thing going into this draft to twenty two. 512 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: All right, So John, I think this is a good 513 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: place to start, and we're gonna talk about needs. But 514 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: I will tell you who the first two picks wars, 515 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: you can spend the next couple of minutes to think 516 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: about who you want to select. As we discussed the team, 517 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: so Aidan Hutchinson went first overall, Trayvon Walker went second overall. 518 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: So those are the two guys that will not be 519 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: there for the Texans. I'm I'm sure you're probably not 520 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: that surprised by the fact those are the first two 521 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: guys that went maybe the order, but those are the 522 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: two guys that are gone. So now let's talk to needs. 523 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: You mentioned it, clarity clean slate to me, the Texans 524 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: of the ultimate wild card here. They have so many needs. 525 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: They can go in so so many directions. Well, how 526 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: would you quantify and qualify their biggest needs heading into 527 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: the draft? I think John to think about their needs, 528 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: especially I picked number three and then they also have thirteen. 529 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: Well two, look at their needs. I mean, I've seen 530 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: a number of websites that are like everything and it's 531 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: not totally wrong, But in the first round, I think 532 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: their positions they won't draft. It's crazy it sound quarterback, 533 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: running back, tight end, anything else I think is sort 534 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: of fair game. Now. The other thing I don't think 535 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: they will draft is a true offensive tackle. Now. I 536 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: say that because to the best offensive lineman on the board. 537 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: Evan Neil and Nicky Kwanu Kim both played guard. But 538 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: a guy that I really love is Charles Cross from 539 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: Mississippi State. He can't play guard. He is a pure tackle. 540 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: I don't think the Texans will be looking at him 541 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,239 Speaker 1: given what they've got up front. Larmie tunsil. Uh. They 542 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: had discussions in the off season that was talking about 543 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: a trade. They sat down and said, no, we'll look, 544 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: We're good, we'd like the marriage. We're staying. More than 545 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: likely that moves the only first round pick that we 546 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: have in the last how many ever years, Titus Howard, 547 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: probably out back to right tackle. So I think our 548 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: tackle situation is okay, but it doesn't preclude us so 549 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: looking at it offensive lineman at number three, as long 550 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: as that guy can play guard, because you never know 551 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: how things are going to turn out our next couple 552 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: of years at tackle, You've got a guy in house 553 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: if you need to. Everything defensively is open in free game, 554 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: everything d line, edge, linebacker, take everything in the defensive 555 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: side is free games. So what's not quarterback, running back, 556 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: tight end. They won't be part of this first round 557 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: at all. Anything else to me is free game for 558 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: this team, they elite players at every position really um 559 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: minus packle maybe because they've got a guy like Tuncil there, 560 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: minus wide receiver because they've got a little bit of 561 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: death and they brought Brandon Cooks back. Everything else. John, 562 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: pick a card and let's go okay. So then what's 563 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: weighing on the scales here? Is it Lovey Smith being 564 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,719 Speaker 1: a defensive coach? Is it finding a player at a 565 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: premium position because those are obviously very expensive to find 566 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: in free agency. What's gonna weigh the scales then, in 567 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: terms of how you decide what direction to go here 568 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: at three? Well, I think for this team, because it 569 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: does have a number of needs, I think you can 570 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: look at what's the phrase best player available at a 571 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: position of need? Well, I think all of them are 572 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: positions of need. I think the biggest thing is just 573 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: finding guys that that fit the athletic mindset, that have 574 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: elite traits. I think the two offensive lineman new and 575 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: a Quantu have it. I think you could argue that 576 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: Cavon Thibodeau has it. I don't know if Cavon is 577 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: the best fit. But the more that I've thought about Cavon, 578 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: I think, you know, okay, maybe I can see that happening. 579 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: Stingley and Sauce Gardner. They've got traits um they play corner. 580 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: I don't know that corner has ever been prioritized for 581 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: Lovey Smith um. And then the Lovey Smith Nick cas 582 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: serial connection is really interesting because they spent the last 583 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: year where Nick comes from a three four odd front, 584 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: love you comes from a four man front, even front 585 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: sort of thing, and you think polar opposites, and yet 586 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: they kind of came to ground talking about defense last year. 587 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: I think they want to have virsatile dudes on the defense. 588 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: So I got like Traymon Walker would have made a 589 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: lot of sense because they can bump them inside outside, 590 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: but it's gonna be a four man's surface, and that 591 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: edge player has gotta be a guy that holds up 592 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: well against the run and gets to the quarterback with 593 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: some twitch. I think Cavon does it, but maybe not 594 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: as well as they would want. At three. I think 595 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: they've got to improve the physicality on this team. And 596 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: so the guy that I'm thinking about taking, I think 597 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: we'll do that all right. Well, you did not mention 598 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: safety at all here, John, Kyle Hamilton is somebody that 599 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: you know people do have high in their boards. Do 600 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: you would he be a consideration here for Houston at 601 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: number three? He is number one, John and My Harris 602 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: went on it. I love Kyle Hamilton's. Now I'm a 603 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: little biased. I didn't play safety, but I know, I 604 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: know people panic about the forty time and all that 605 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I thought, that's that's overblown. When you 606 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: watch a guy playing the field, totally see what he does. 607 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton's is absolutely in play. And I feel like 608 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: if I what I'd ultimately like to do, if you said, John, 609 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: what I like to do? Trade down? If I find 610 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: a part trade down partner, I am trading down. As 611 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: long as I could stay within the top tend to twelve. 612 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: I would trade down because we just have a lot 613 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: of needs. We need a lot more players, second, third rounders, 614 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: those type things. So if I could trade down, that 615 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: would be the ultimate thing I've in my mock. I 616 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: traded down with Atlanta and I moved to number eight 617 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: and I took Kyle Hamilton's. I think Hamilton's probably seven 618 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: to ten in that range. So if I trade down 619 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: in that range, and then Kyle probably makes a little 620 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: bit more sense. But I feel like with the thirty 621 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: one and thirty second ranked run game the last couple 622 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: of years, there's a pretty queer spot of where I 623 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: want to go with this interesting all right, my final 624 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: question before you make your pick here, John, how does 625 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: also picking a thirteen impact your thought process? Here? Does 626 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: that kind of cancel out the wide receiver because you 627 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: could get one of thirteen? Would you want or maybe 628 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: a different spot? You say, all right, well, thirteen, I 629 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: constantly got a good player at that position, so maybe 630 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: I'm not going to consider them at three. I think 631 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: the edge spot is interesting to me. I know two 632 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: of them at well, Hutchinson's a true edge. I think 633 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: Traymon Walker is a guy that bounced in thought outside. 634 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: So I don't gonna call them the true edge, but 635 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: I think there are some true edges that you can 636 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: get within the top thirteen picks. I think the Saucer 637 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: Stingley one of them could potentially fall. If they don't, 638 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: then maybe Hamilton's falls. I think you're gonna end up 639 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: at thirteen looking at a player that could have gone 640 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: at number three that you thought about the number three 641 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: and you're going, wait, wait a second, Jermaine Johnson still here. 642 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: I want to have guys that are gonna impact up 643 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: front and are going to impact the the edges, and 644 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: I want to bring some physicality back to this team. 645 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: Watching this run game the last few years has just 646 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: been got awful. I mean just brutal. Uh. And it's 647 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: so the running back is needed to but the running 648 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 1: back is gonna have to come either a pick thirty 649 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: seven or sixty eight or eighty in the second, third round, 650 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: State two. I think you find running back all the 651 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: way through priority free agent and find somebody in this trap. 652 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: It's a very deep draft, and running back it's just 653 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: not it doesn't have a you know, it doesn't have 654 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: a number one on clear cut guy that would go 655 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: in the first round. But it's got a lot of 656 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: really interesting, versatile pieces and one that I think can 657 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: help the Texans and they'll find a running back. But 658 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: up front, I think there's something lead at the elite 659 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: offensive linement that would be elite in any year of 660 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: the draft. And that's where I'm gonna go with it. Yeah, 661 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: you've teased it. I think I know where you're going here. John, 662 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: make your pick. Hutchinson one walker to Europe with the 663 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: Houston Texans at the third overall spot. As conversation with 664 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: James Liftford, director Scouting and the Texans, and he asked 665 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: me if I had seen Ikey a Kwantu from Empty 666 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: State and studied him. And I looked at him and said, 667 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: have I seen him? And I got the same look 668 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: back from him. I don't know if that was telling 669 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: a year out, but I know I love watching Ikey 670 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: Kwana would love the way he plays. I think he 671 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: would be a fantastic guard until there's changes at tackle 672 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: and then he can bump back out to tackle. At 673 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: number three, I'm gonna take a state. John, good stuff, 674 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,959 Speaker 1: enjoy the season. Thank you as much for joining us 675 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: on this year's John Suttle Mock Draft. You gotta, John, 676 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: thank you very much for having me. We thank John Harris, 677 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: sideline reporter for the Houston Texans, for joining us. We 678 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: have our first three picks in the bag and now 679 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: we go to pick number four. We just go a 680 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: few miles west down to Florham Park with the New 681 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: York Jets. Rich Somini, who covers them for ESPN. Richie 682 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: got John Schmelk here and East Rutherford. Hope you're doing well, man, 683 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: How are you? I'm doing great. It's draft season. It's 684 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: what's better than that the Jets and Giants. Yes, sadly, 685 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: the regular season has knock gone so well. So yes, 686 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: raft season has been the star of the show for 687 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: the past few years. Rich, no doubt about it, all right, 688 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: Yes it is. And we are recording this about nine 689 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: days prior to the draft. So, Rich, the first three 690 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: picks off the board, the Jacksonville Jaguar selected Aidan Hutchinson. 691 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: The Detroit Lions with jeff Risdens selected Trayvon Walker. The 692 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: Houston Texans, after saying they basically could pick anyone in 693 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: any position, selected ikey A Kwanu out of NC State. 694 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,239 Speaker 1: So you're up with the Jets at number four and 695 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: much like the Giants here, Rich, you guys have two 696 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: picks very high in this draft. How essential is it 697 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: for the Jets to nail these picks to finally, you know, 698 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: under this regime with you know, Joe Douglas and Robert Sala, 699 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: to start making some progress here. Yeah. Absolutely, I think 700 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: this has to be the water sack draft for the 701 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: Jets because if you look at you know, they do 702 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: have five picks out of the first sixty nine and 703 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: four the first thirty eight. And the reason they got 704 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: those picks is they traded off assets such as Sam 705 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: Donald and Jamal Adams. You know, they traded off players 706 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: like that, you know, to build for the future. And 707 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: so the future is now for Joe Douglas. I mean, 708 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: there's no more excuses. You know, the team was for 709 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: and third team last year. I think we all expected 710 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: that kind of year. But the honeymoon's over and with 711 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, if they nail this draft, there's no reason 712 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: not to. With that many picks, you know, they should 713 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: take a huge step up this year. I'm not saying 714 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 1: they're gonna be a playoff team. I think it's too 715 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: soon for that, but you know, they should be hovering 716 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: around the mark this year. And you're absolutely right. This 717 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: is actually the first time in the common Draft era 718 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: that the Jets have to top ten picks. So let's 719 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,240 Speaker 1: you know, they should hit two home runs, but we'll see. 720 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: So I imagine there's a bit of a push and 721 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: poll here, Rich, right, because you want to give the 722 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: quarterback Zach Wilson as many weapons as you can to 723 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: succeed and put them in the best possible situation because 724 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: you do well know, everything else can go right at 725 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: the quarterback bus, none of the other stuff really matters that. 726 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: That's how important the quarterback in the league is. Now. 727 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: It's kind of the same thing with the Giants with 728 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones and trying to find their franchise guy. 729 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: But at the same time, they just defense last year 730 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: was quite frankly, pretty awful and they have a defensive 731 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: minded head coach. So what's the pushing poll here in 732 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,399 Speaker 1: terms of trying to help the quarterback but also trying 733 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: to make the defense something you can actually win with. Yeah, 734 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: I think pushing pull is a great way to describe it. Now. 735 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: At the at the owners meetings a few weeks ago 736 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: in Palm Beach that they were joking about Salah and 737 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: Douglas were joking that maybe they'll have a bare knuckle 738 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: fight to see what happens. Because we know Joe Joe 739 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,720 Speaker 1: Douglass likes to draft offensive lineman. He was a former 740 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: offensive lineman, and so that's why I think if Ikey 741 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: a Quantu were available for the Jets at four, I 742 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: think he would be a strong consideration Robert sala is 743 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: a defensive guy, and their defense stunt last year. Let's 744 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: be honest. I mean they finished thirty second in so 745 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: many categories. They were non competitive in some games, and 746 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: so they have some severe needs on defense, starting with 747 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: edge rusher. And I think Robert Salem, I mean, he 748 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: needs edge rushers as much as he needs oxygen. You 749 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: know that his defense is predicated on getting to the 750 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: passer and a four or three trunk. So I think 751 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: there could be a push and pull. Do they go 752 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: with an offensive player to help Zach Wilson or do 753 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: they just try to help that defense which just has 754 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,760 Speaker 1: so many holes in it? All right, So let's attack 755 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: the offensive side of this first. Then. McKay Beckton is 756 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: someone that they drafted a couple of years ago. He 757 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: is not hit as well as they would have liked. 758 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: They have veteran offensive tackles George Fans out there too, right, 759 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 1: So what is the calculation that you mentioned. If Aquanus there, 760 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: Evan Neels, a guy that's also played bolt tackle spots, 761 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: he's played guard too, would he be in the mix there? 762 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: How do they view just that kind of crew they 763 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: have on the offensive line in front of Wilson. Yeah, 764 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: it's definitely a better offensive line than what they had 765 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: for a couple of years ago. I think it all 766 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: hinges on McKay peckton. There's still questions about him. I mean, 767 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: he missed basically all of last year with that knee surgery. 768 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,439 Speaker 1: He was in lousy shape. At the end of the year, 769 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 1: I was told that he was up. You know, he 770 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 1: was north of four towns oh Man, Yeah, which is UH, 771 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: which is about forty Yeah, about forty above his UH 772 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: combined weight from a couple of years ago. So he's 773 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,240 Speaker 1: working his way back at the shape and that injury, 774 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: he's still rehabbing. So he's a big question mark. And 775 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: they didn't improve what lake in Tomlinson I thought was 776 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: a real nice pick up. He's going to be there 777 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: left guard Elijah Vera Tucker, their number one picked from 778 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: last year, is going to be their right guard. Mc 779 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: govern's at center for now. I think they're okay with him, 780 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,359 Speaker 1: although you know, Tyler linden Bounds somehow slips to thirty five. 781 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: I think the Jets would take him there, but the 782 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: tackles are it was up for grabs. You know, if 783 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: they draft a guy like the Quantu. Obviously he's going 784 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: to start at one of the two tackle spots and 785 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: then backed in and George Fan battle it out for 786 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: the other spots. You know, they'd have a great you know, 787 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: they have six starting caliber offensive lineman, which would give 788 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: them great depth. And there's always the possibility, albeit slim, 789 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: that they trade McCay im backton. I just don't think 790 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: he has much trade value at this point, but I 791 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: just want to mention that just just on the oar 792 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: chance it happens. I really doubt it happened though. Interesting, 793 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: all right, So so offensive line in the mix. Let's 794 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: go to the defensive side of the ball. And you 795 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: know you mentioned it that from where Robert Salo is 796 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: from in San Francisco. Just looked at how they drafted, right, 797 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: it was defensive lineman after defensive lineman after defensive lineman 798 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: after defensive lineman. So I think you can make the 799 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: argument Rich that maybe corner is a bigger needs given 800 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 1: the roster. So how do they balancing out there? You 801 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: know what Salad wants and maybe what they might need 802 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: a cornerback because there could beat you guys at those 803 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: two spots with similar grades here at number four. Yeah, 804 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen some mantrass where Sauce Gardner going 805 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 1: to the Jets at four. I'd be surprised if that happens. 806 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: And here's why. I mean, they did sign DJ read 807 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,800 Speaker 1: and free agency. It was not a small contract. It 808 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: was three years, thirty three millions, So they made a 809 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: fairly significant investment in DJ Reid, who comes in from Seattle. 810 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: He had been with Seattle slid in San Francisco, so 811 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 1: it's a it's a good scheme fit. So he's their 812 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 1: number one corner and they really liked the other guys, uh, 813 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,359 Speaker 1: the young guys like Bryce Hall and Branded Echoes who 814 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: were the two starters last year. They're gonna battle it 815 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 1: out for the second spot. So I don't think like 816 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: internally within the building, they don't feel the cornerback needs 817 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 1: as big as people outside the building think. And if 818 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: you look at where Sale came from San Francisco, he 819 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 1: was also with c They tend to find their corners 820 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: in the middle rounds. They'll draft guys who are system corners, 821 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: who can play zone, you know they you know, Seattle 822 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: found Richard Sherman and what the fifth round. So I 823 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: don't think even though we consider it a premium position. 824 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: I think in their system they don't. So I would 825 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: be surprised if they took Sauce Gardner at four or 826 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: Derek Stingley Jr. For that matter. Is Kyle Hamilton's at 827 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: all in the mix here at four? Ah? You know, 828 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: I'd be really shocked at four. I mean, if he's 829 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: still there at ten, I couldn't totally rule it out there. 830 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: Joe Douglas is from the premium position school. If you 831 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: go back through his drafts, very rarely does he stray 832 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: from that philosophy. Safety is not a premium position. The 833 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: reason they traded Jamal Adams a couple of years ago 834 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: was because he just didn't want to pay that kind 835 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: of money for a safety. So I think I would 836 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: say I I would seriously doubt it at four, and 837 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: I think maybe a small chance of Ken although he 838 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: is exactly what they need to be quite honest. I 839 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: mean they did sign that, They did sign Jordan's Whitehead 840 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 1: from Tampa to be a strong safety, but they need 841 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: that middle safety, that center fielder type who can make 842 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: plays on the ball. Of course, Marcus may is gone, 843 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: he went to New Orleans, so they do need a 844 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,399 Speaker 1: guy like Hamiltons, who would be a perfect scheme fit. 845 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,439 Speaker 1: It just might be a little pricey for them going 846 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: going that high in the draft, so could I don't 847 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: want to get off of four for too long. But 848 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 1: a lot of people kind of just penciling in a 849 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: wide receiver ten. Is Is that a safe thing to 850 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: do given what the Jets need and kind of where 851 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: that pick is landing in terms of value with the 852 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: class or do you think that's a little hasty. No, 853 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: I think that's a fair that's a fair pick there. 854 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,839 Speaker 1: I mean, looks the Jets showed their hand a couple 855 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: of weeks ago when when we found out they were 856 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: the runner ups in the Tyrene Hill Sweeps things. We 857 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: know how they were willing to give up a couple 858 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: of twos and a three and pay an exorbited contract 859 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: to a twenty year old wide receiver who's great, but 860 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,479 Speaker 1: he's twenty eight years old, so we know they're they're 861 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: really looking for that wide receiver one. He is not 862 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: on the roster right now, and so absolutely I think 863 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: at ten wide receiver is very much in play if 864 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: assuming they don't make a trade. I still think I'm 865 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: not ready to totally rule out the possibility of a 866 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel or an A J. Brown. Uh, it's a 867 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: long shot. It's like a hail Mary at this point. 868 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: But I'm just not ready to say that's quite dead yet. 869 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 1: But if they keep that kind of pick, I absolutely 870 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: think like a Drake London or a Garrett Wilson would 871 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: be And I've heard Jamison Williams, you know, he's the 872 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 1: name who I've been hearing a lot over the last week, 873 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 1: even though he's injured. The Jets might take a roll 874 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,879 Speaker 1: of the dice at ten. So based on this conversation, Rich, 875 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: I imagine the three guys that are gone are probably 876 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 1: the three guys you would have kind of penciled in 877 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 1: for the Jets at four of one of them was 878 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: still available. Uh is that fair? And now that they're gone, 879 00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,080 Speaker 1: who are you picking at number four? I absolute do 880 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: you think it's fair? I think And I don't know, obviously, 881 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what the draft Jets draft board is, 882 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 1: but it would not totally shock me if if it 883 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 1: reads the way your first three picks just came off 884 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: the board, you know, with Hutchinson, Walker and ikey A Kuano. 885 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: So in the fourth spot, the Jets. I think would 886 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: take Cabon Thibodeaux, the edge rusher from Oregon here in 887 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: the fourth spot. Um. He's an interesting guy. I wrote 888 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,759 Speaker 1: a story on him this morning on ESPN dot com. 889 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: He's got a lot of upside. You know, he's he's 890 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: been the best player at every level he's he was 891 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,360 Speaker 1: like the number one recruit coming out of high school 892 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: in Oregon. He was an instant starter as a freshman. 893 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: He's got good production, he's got good speed, He's got 894 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: the stuff you're looking forward. But you know, there's some 895 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 1: questions about his motor, a little hot cold. He's a 896 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: very interesting personality. He's brash. I've heard him called arrogant. Um. 897 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 1: He's got a lot of off the field interests. I 898 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 1: think he made four hundred thousand dollars last year on 899 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 1: n R l's in college, which is which is great. 900 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that. But he's very uh, you know, 901 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,399 Speaker 1: he's very into his brand, and I think he turned 902 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: off some people at the scouting combine with how much 903 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,799 Speaker 1: he talked about his brand. He'd be interesting in New York, 904 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: for sure. I think he probably wants to go to 905 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: New York. I think there is you know there's some 906 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: kinds of case in there. You know, he's not a 907 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 1: flexible guy. He's got straight line speed, but I don't 908 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 1: know if he has to bend that you're looking for. Yeah, 909 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: like we talked about earlier, you know, the jet steed 910 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,399 Speaker 1: and edge rusher, and I think he'd be the best 911 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: guy on the board. So I would, you know, say 912 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 1: fairly confidently that if this is the way it falls, 913 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: I think kape On Tivodo would be their pick. Rich. 914 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the time. It's great to 915 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: talk to you. Let's talk soon. Enjoy the next week. 916 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,360 Speaker 1: You're so leading up to the draft. Uh, this is 917 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,879 Speaker 1: big time. Hopefully the Jets will start taking some steps forward, 918 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: just as as well as the Giants. Here and he's 919 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: weather Fred Man, thanks so much for the time. You're welcome, John, 920 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,319 Speaker 1: have a good one. Giant season tickets are on sale 921 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: now for the season. In addition to ticket savings, membership 922 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 1: benefits include access to exclusive events, experiences, pre sales, and more. 923 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 1: You can lock in your seat starting at just one 924 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,320 Speaker 1: hundred bucks. N y is a Giants dot com slash 925 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,720 Speaker 1: tickets for more information. All right, we thank our buddy 926 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,839 Speaker 1: that covers the new York Jets, Rich Somini for making 927 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,319 Speaker 1: the pick for the Jets and number four. And now 928 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: we get to the first moment of decision for the 929 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 1: New York Football Giants. And to make that decision, we're 930 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: joined by Dan Duggan, who covers in New York Football 931 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 1: Giants for the Athletic. Dan good to talk to you, 932 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 1: my friend. So the first four picks off the boarder 933 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson, dray Von Walker, Ikia Kwanu, and Cavon Thibadeaux. 934 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,399 Speaker 1: Your thoughts. I think that if I'm Joe Shane, I'm 935 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 1: feeling pretty comfortable because I think the first goal for 936 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 1: any GM in the draft is to get the best 937 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 1: player possible. The second goal is probably have to do 938 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 1: something that's gonna get you fired. And I think having 939 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,280 Speaker 1: the way that board broke, I don't think there's really 940 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: any pick that could really come back and haunt you 941 00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,879 Speaker 1: if they take the guy who I'm gonna eventually and now. 942 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,359 Speaker 1: But I just think Thibodeau is a guy who could 943 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,200 Speaker 1: get dangerous because there's there's some high upside, but also, 944 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: you know, some some question marks there then and and 945 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,640 Speaker 1: obviously Traylon Walker has the traits but the production wasn't there. 946 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,760 Speaker 1: So if you pass on either one of those guys 947 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: and then they, you know, go on to become some 948 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 1: defensive player of the year, you know, a sack master 949 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 1: type guy, people are gonna remember that for the next 950 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 1: ten fifteen years. Whereas if they're already off the board, Hey, 951 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,720 Speaker 1: kind of some tough decisions got taken out of your hands, 952 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: and I think a pretty easy one falls to the 953 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: Giants with the way of these top four top four 954 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,879 Speaker 1: picks went off the board. Yeah, so let's go around 955 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 1: the merry go around before we make the pick here, 956 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,399 Speaker 1: what are your top needs for the Giants setting into 957 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 1: this draft. Yeah, I mean, obviously, I think the first one, 958 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: as we're alluding to here is offensive tackle. Uh. I mean, 959 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,400 Speaker 1: they basically plug some holes in free agency, even if 960 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't you know, big money signings obviously where you know, 961 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,279 Speaker 1: all right, they have some veteran guys and can play 962 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: certain positions. Uh, they kind of left that right tackle 963 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: spot wide open. I think by design, knowing that they 964 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,440 Speaker 1: would probably find a guy in the draft to fill spot. Um. 965 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 1: I think edge rusher is certainly a spot that I mean, 966 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: there has some guys there, but could certainly use you 967 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,240 Speaker 1: know that that game breaker type address of this franchise 968 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,760 Speaker 1: has had, you know, so many times throughout their history. 969 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,279 Speaker 1: And again, if things follow up differently, a guy like 970 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,399 Speaker 1: Walker or Thibodeau would definitely be enticing. Uh. And then 971 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,880 Speaker 1: the other one is cornerback, and obviously James Bradberry's situations 972 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,920 Speaker 1: unresolved at the time we're doing this. I think we 973 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,319 Speaker 1: all expect that to be resolved sooner than later, and 974 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 1: that becomes a bigger need, uh, you know, once he's elsewhere. 975 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 1: So I think those are the three biggest ones, the 976 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,280 Speaker 1: three premium positions, so I think you feel good taking 977 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,719 Speaker 1: any of them with this fifth pick. So really just 978 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: it depends how those first four picks unfold, I think too, 979 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,400 Speaker 1: to really determine what the Giants do. I don't think 980 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,080 Speaker 1: they need to force anything. I think a good player 981 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,880 Speaker 1: at one of those positions will definitely be there at 982 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: number five. Yeah, we we are recording this and all 983 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 1: these picks are being recorded on the Tuesday prior to 984 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,920 Speaker 1: the draft, so that's nine days before the draft. It's 985 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 1: gonna go up on Wednesday. But if anything happens after 986 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,560 Speaker 1: we record this, that's so you know, why how do 987 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,840 Speaker 1: you think the Bradbury thing is gonna be resolved? Dandy? 988 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,360 Speaker 1: Is what kind of all a little bit bit of 989 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,279 Speaker 1: a holding pattern with that? Yeah, yeah, And I don't 990 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 1: think we're in any jeopardy of that happening between now 991 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 1: and at the time you run this podcast. I think 992 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 1: he's gonna be here through the draft. You know, I 993 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,319 Speaker 1: really thought around the combine someone happened quicker um than 994 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: obviously it has. And then there was sort of that 995 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: time right around the start of the new league year 996 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,279 Speaker 1: where it felt like, you know, he had that two 997 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,799 Speaker 1: million dollars and the salary guaranteed, would that be a 998 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,319 Speaker 1: kind of a soft deadline where we're shamed and maybe 999 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 1: just cut him then, just to get him off the books. 1000 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,080 Speaker 1: But you know, he dug his heels and he clearly 1001 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 1: wants to get something back for a guy who, as 1002 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,440 Speaker 1: he said at the owner's meeting, it felt like he 1003 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,640 Speaker 1: was kind of given a spiel like twenty years old 1004 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,839 Speaker 1: when year moved from being a pro bowled player. Um so, 1005 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 1: but I just think the market hasn't been there because 1006 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,759 Speaker 1: you're talking about a one year rental at you know, 1007 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 1: thirteen and half million dollars and that's just not super repealing. 1008 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 1: So it's you know, I've kept calling it this whole 1009 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,920 Speaker 1: process of the game of chicken. Um. At at some 1010 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 1: point someone has to give, and I think teams are 1011 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,200 Speaker 1: just waiting and waiting and waiting. So what I think 1012 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,719 Speaker 1: most likely happened is that Cha and it's ctainly gonna 1013 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 1: be working the phone entire during the draft to try 1014 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,239 Speaker 1: to find something, whether it's a pick swap or just 1015 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 1: a late round pick, whatever it may be. But ultimately 1016 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,880 Speaker 1: I'm leaning now. I always thought he get trade, and 1017 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,759 Speaker 1: I'm leaning now they might just have to cut their 1018 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,560 Speaker 1: losses if if they obviously, if they came home during 1019 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,120 Speaker 1: the draft, I don't think the market is suddenly gonna materialize. 1020 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,200 Speaker 1: So let's say they add a cornerback in the first 1021 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 1: round or or early in the draft, and then they 1022 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,359 Speaker 1: can say, Okay, we have our guy. You know, it's 1023 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,120 Speaker 1: a good time to do it. Probably that Monday after draft, 1024 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 1: everyone's focusing on all the new people. You kind of 1025 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,560 Speaker 1: just make that move and kind of wash your hands 1026 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,120 Speaker 1: to Bradberry get the cap savings, which obviously we know 1027 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,359 Speaker 1: they're gonna need to sign this draft class. So it's 1028 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,279 Speaker 1: you know, it's probably it's been fifty fifty them leaning 1029 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,279 Speaker 1: more now towards he just ends getting released. It just 1030 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,840 Speaker 1: does not feel like any team wants to pull the 1031 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,719 Speaker 1: trigger and take on that salary. You know, Dan, I 1032 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,400 Speaker 1: was with you. I thought that Johns would be able 1033 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 1: to find a trade partner too. I thought one year 1034 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 1: at million is not a big dollar amount for a 1035 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,600 Speaker 1: corner in this league that can play and be a 1036 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,560 Speaker 1: solid starter. But you're right. I think their best chance 1037 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,600 Speaker 1: is that you know, a bunch of wide receiver score early, 1038 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, in the draft here in a team that's 1039 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 1: picking at the end of the first round, maybe gets 1040 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,560 Speaker 1: to a situation where they thought they'd be able to 1041 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,520 Speaker 1: get one late first, early second, None of those guys 1042 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,839 Speaker 1: are there, and then they need one and then maybe 1043 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,760 Speaker 1: they can work out of trade shortly after the draft. 1044 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, um, I'm surprised that they weren't able to 1045 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 1: find a taker, But as of now, they have not 1046 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,160 Speaker 1: and they will need to to find money somewhere to 1047 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,279 Speaker 1: to to sign this draft class at some point, which 1048 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 1: is important. How much do you think that Giants are 1049 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,400 Speaker 1: gonna take in consideration here, Dan, And we'll see what 1050 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:31,759 Speaker 1: you do with five and then maybe I'll ask us 1051 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,959 Speaker 1: after you make your pick. But you know they also 1052 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,840 Speaker 1: have two picks in the third round of picking a second. 1053 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,239 Speaker 1: Do you think they're thinking down the road here where 1054 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,799 Speaker 1: there's a lot of depths in this class and that 1055 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,960 Speaker 1: might impact what they do early or is it just 1056 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,680 Speaker 1: gonna be you know what, we just we're picking five 1057 00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,640 Speaker 1: and seven. We got to get the better player now. Yeah. No, 1058 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,360 Speaker 1: it's a great question because obviously think it's easy to 1059 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,600 Speaker 1: say you gotta get a better player now, but you 1060 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,120 Speaker 1: know there's a sort of a fundament amount of resources here. 1061 00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,160 Speaker 1: If it's the class is the draft, you feel really 1062 00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,760 Speaker 1: great that the eight grade ed drivers you're pretty confident 1063 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,880 Speaker 1: one of the thirty six, Maybe that makes you a 1064 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,080 Speaker 1: little less likely to pass on one it's a seven. 1065 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,319 Speaker 1: If you don't think the difference is that great. It's 1066 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,080 Speaker 1: actually probably a question when I ast Shane when he 1067 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,160 Speaker 1: when he speaks on Wednesday, because I do think that's interesting. 1068 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I think at the end of the day, 1069 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,640 Speaker 1: they're not doing this opportunarily. They have a board, they 1070 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,040 Speaker 1: have guys ordered, but you do have to start looking 1071 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,560 Speaker 1: at the depth of positions, I think, and and how 1072 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,880 Speaker 1: big is the gap between your number one offensive tackle 1073 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,799 Speaker 1: and your number four offensive tackle, or you know, vice 1074 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,279 Speaker 1: versa with your edge rushers. I think that probably weighs in, 1075 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,440 Speaker 1: especially maybe a little later in the draft, maybe more 1076 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:31,920 Speaker 1: in the third and fourth round. I think in the 1077 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,680 Speaker 1: first round, you have again, you have your board, you've 1078 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,759 Speaker 1: spent all the time putting together. I don't think you 1079 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,480 Speaker 1: get too cute and pass on a guy who get 1080 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:39,960 Speaker 1: ready to higher because you feel like you can get 1081 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,759 Speaker 1: someone in his position in the second round. I think 1082 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,279 Speaker 1: that gets a little dicey. As Joe Shane is used 1083 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 1: this expression many times he wants to be able to 1084 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,200 Speaker 1: sleep well at night with what he does. I think 1085 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:49,799 Speaker 1: that's something that could keep you up at night because 1086 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: then if things don't fall right in the second round 1087 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:52,840 Speaker 1: and then just like, oh man, we never really filled 1088 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,680 Speaker 1: that hole and we had a chance to do it early. 1089 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,960 Speaker 1: So I think the first round just take, you know, 1090 00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,319 Speaker 1: take the best guy on your board. I think need 1091 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,920 Speaker 1: is gonna kind of match up with value there. But 1092 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,120 Speaker 1: I do think it has to be at least a 1093 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,799 Speaker 1: consideration the back of your mind, especially as you get 1094 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,880 Speaker 1: deeper end of the draft. No, No, I agree, I 1095 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 1: think that's fair. How much do you think that Shane, 1096 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,920 Speaker 1: Maybe playing it's safe is the wrong word here, but 1097 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 1: it's the regime's first draft class. You're trying to set 1098 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,440 Speaker 1: the you know, the most overused tournament sports, set the culture, 1099 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,440 Speaker 1: get the right type of foundational guys to build this 1100 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,920 Speaker 1: program with, and you know the whole smart, tough, reliable. 1101 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,839 Speaker 1: I think the reliable and dependable rather that dependable part 1102 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,160 Speaker 1: of that is is kind of the important part. How 1103 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,120 Speaker 1: much do you think he's trying to get not just 1104 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,120 Speaker 1: the right type of player, but the right type of 1105 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,640 Speaker 1: person and also the guy that you feel good that 1106 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,960 Speaker 1: this is not going to be a miss at the 1107 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,480 Speaker 1: very least, you're gonna get a solid football player. Yeah. Well, 1108 00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,200 Speaker 1: I think that goes back to that that first answer 1109 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,280 Speaker 1: where I would you only have joking then, like Timodeau 1110 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,359 Speaker 1: was the guy who I think could really make your 1111 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,880 Speaker 1: draft look drashically different more than the other depending on 1112 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,279 Speaker 1: how he pans out. I think a lot of these 1113 00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,680 Speaker 1: other guys you don't you know, Adan Hutchinson is like 1114 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,120 Speaker 1: off the charts with the intangibles. You know, Tray and 1115 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,360 Speaker 1: Walker here, great things, the offer of the tackles, I've 1116 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,480 Speaker 1: heard all really good things. Gardener which is just going 1117 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,600 Speaker 1: through all the guys there, you don't really have a 1118 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,640 Speaker 1: lot of these you know, red flags or whatever cliche 1119 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,840 Speaker 1: you want to use. They're there for Thibodeau. How serious 1120 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,360 Speaker 1: are they? I mean, obviously I don't know. I'm not 1121 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,920 Speaker 1: in those meetings you hear Stoff, but it's nothing like 1122 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,839 Speaker 1: major and criminal or anything like. Yeah, it's just sort 1123 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,920 Speaker 1: of his attitude, his commitment, that type of thing. And 1124 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,239 Speaker 1: when you're talking about establishing a culture, is that who 1125 00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,040 Speaker 1: you want to basically be the face of it? Because 1126 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,239 Speaker 1: wherever you're taking number five, that's gonna be um, you know, 1127 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,600 Speaker 1: the biggest move that Joe Shane makes in this first 1128 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,520 Speaker 1: offseason really because I mean, obviously didn't do much in 1129 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,399 Speaker 1: freegency based on the top, so uh yeah, I think 1130 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,080 Speaker 1: that has to be a consideration. And like I said, 1131 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:41,799 Speaker 1: that's why part of me, as much as you might 1132 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,120 Speaker 1: think Tiboda is a great player, you might say, Okay, 1133 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,080 Speaker 1: we kind of took the system off our hands, and 1134 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,360 Speaker 1: I think kind of any of these other guys, you 1135 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,279 Speaker 1: don't have that same uh sort of question lingering. So 1136 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,560 Speaker 1: I think it's again, I think it makes it kind 1137 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,240 Speaker 1: of easier if he's gone because then you're just kinda 1138 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,000 Speaker 1: taking a base on football talent. You don't have to 1139 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,200 Speaker 1: really weigh too much of that other stuff. And how 1140 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,520 Speaker 1: much are you weighing what the coaching staff wants here? 1141 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,800 Speaker 1: Because do we really know what exactly type of player 1142 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,720 Speaker 1: the coaching staff wants. How much is Joe Shane going 1143 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,920 Speaker 1: to you know, how much voice is the coaching staff 1144 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,719 Speaker 1: going to be given in the draft room. We don't 1145 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,759 Speaker 1: know how they're going to operate in that way. I 1146 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,319 Speaker 1: think that's another interesting kind of dynamic here, Dan, and 1147 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,280 Speaker 1: you know Joe, Joe Shane thinks the guys the best player, 1148 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,000 Speaker 1: but the coaches tell him, well, I don't really think 1149 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,919 Speaker 1: he fits what we want to do. I prefer this guy. 1150 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,560 Speaker 1: You know, how are those conversations going to go and 1151 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,319 Speaker 1: how is that going to impact to the giants take. 1152 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,120 Speaker 1: I think that's a really interesting thing here and something 1153 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,640 Speaker 1: that we really can't, you know, predict until we see 1154 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,640 Speaker 1: how this first year goes. Yeah, yeah, And I think 1155 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 1: I go back to you know, I think that the 1156 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,680 Speaker 1: buzz word right after Shane got hired was lock step 1157 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,920 Speaker 1: to do that quite a bit, and after Davil got 1158 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,759 Speaker 1: hired of kind of having the same vision. I think 1159 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,160 Speaker 1: that does help that they have been in those meetings, 1160 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,319 Speaker 1: they have worked together. Obviously they neither one of them 1161 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,400 Speaker 1: was the number one in the number one seed, but 1162 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,920 Speaker 1: they had big voices of influential work together and know 1163 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,080 Speaker 1: what the other guy liked, which is a little different 1164 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,319 Speaker 1: with with Mink Martindale, but he's been around the block. 1165 00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:58,960 Speaker 1: I think you kind of know what his type of 1166 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,120 Speaker 1: player is. I think it will be a much bigger 1167 00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,520 Speaker 1: question if you're pairing a GM and head coach with 1168 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,200 Speaker 1: no background. I would think it would be pretty smooth 1169 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:07,919 Speaker 1: because these guys, again have spent a lot of time together, 1170 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,680 Speaker 1: they should have a pretty good idea. But yeah, you're 1171 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,080 Speaker 1: never gonna know until they get in that room. And 1172 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:14,759 Speaker 1: then you also got a factor in that you know 1173 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,359 Speaker 1: there are holdovers and you know people who were here 1174 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,440 Speaker 1: who were doing evaluations long before Joe Shane was in 1175 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,160 Speaker 1: the buildings, and now how does how does he take 1176 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,720 Speaker 1: their evaluations into account? How does they Brandon Brown's evaluation 1177 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,279 Speaker 1: into account. There's a lot of pieces that have to 1178 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,320 Speaker 1: meld together to, you know, make such a huge decision, 1179 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:30,560 Speaker 1: and you only have a couple of months to figure 1180 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,400 Speaker 1: it all out. So that is Um, you know, a 1181 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,480 Speaker 1: fascinating subplot, and it's one of the challenges and when 1182 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,920 Speaker 1: you have a new regime and other places where you 1183 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,560 Speaker 1: just kind of running back with the same two guys 1184 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,399 Speaker 1: in the main seats, it's probably a lot smoother. Um. 1185 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,520 Speaker 1: If we don't know, it's will be fascinating to see 1186 00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,319 Speaker 1: sort of how that plays out, and you'd obviously hope 1187 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,160 Speaker 1: as they go forward it just got more and more seamless. 1188 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,560 Speaker 1: The final question before the pick here, Dan, how much 1189 00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,120 Speaker 1: are you entertaining a trade down here? Um? How far 1190 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,640 Speaker 1: are you willing to go down? What's the motherload offer 1191 00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,839 Speaker 1: you would need? Do you think the team's gonna look 1192 00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,239 Speaker 1: to trade up? Do you think the Giants are trying 1193 00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,200 Speaker 1: to trade down? Give me your full Ringhamarow on the 1194 00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,759 Speaker 1: potential of a tradeing down there from the Giants at five. Yeah, 1195 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,080 Speaker 1: and I definitely think that they the open to trading back. Um, 1196 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,799 Speaker 1: I think that a deal tradebacks there for me would 1197 00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:17,040 Speaker 1: be something where you're getting first rounder. I mean, I think, um, 1198 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,240 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's where you're kind of hedging obviously. 1199 00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,120 Speaker 1: You know, Hey, let's hope Daniel Jones is as good 1200 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,440 Speaker 1: as you know people think he is, and then hey, well, 1201 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,160 Speaker 1: what's the worst you star? You get two first round 1202 00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,719 Speaker 1: picks next year, But you set yourself up in a 1203 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,640 Speaker 1: situation where if you decide you have to move on, 1204 00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:31,920 Speaker 1: uh you know, now you're gonna have the capital to 1205 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:33,640 Speaker 1: move up. You can get in the vetroom market because 1206 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,160 Speaker 1: it's kind of like the NBA here where you know 1207 00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,520 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are on the move every off season. That feels like, um, 1208 00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,319 Speaker 1: so I don't think anything wrong with just having two 1209 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,919 Speaker 1: first round pick next year to give yourself options. How 1210 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,239 Speaker 1: far do they go back? I mean, I think in 1211 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,040 Speaker 1: a in a dream scenario, you're talking like Atlanta or 1212 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,080 Speaker 1: Seattle eight nine. I don't know if that's enough to 1213 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,920 Speaker 1: get uh, you know, first round pick next year, especially 1214 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,160 Speaker 1: because you know no one seems that hot on this 1215 00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,120 Speaker 1: quarterback class. I mean, I think the Giants put a 1216 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,000 Speaker 1: little bit of attacks on that Bay airstrate last year, 1217 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:02,719 Speaker 1: where I don't think that matched up with any of 1218 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,160 Speaker 1: the charts, but it's like, hey, you want to go 1219 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:05,759 Speaker 1: out and get a quarterback, you have to pay for it. 1220 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,520 Speaker 1: I don't know that they find teams as desperate to 1221 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,880 Speaker 1: do that, so I think that they'll certainly be active 1222 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,520 Speaker 1: and interested in moving back. Ultimately, I have a hard 1223 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,759 Speaker 1: time seeing them pull it off. I mean, maybe even 1224 00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,840 Speaker 1: seven becomes more likely after they get whoever they wanted 1225 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,680 Speaker 1: five and then teams only moving up a few spots 1226 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,320 Speaker 1: at that point. Maybe you're moving up for a tackle 1227 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,480 Speaker 1: or or an edge rusher, and maybe you don't get one, 1228 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,200 Speaker 1: but you get a second round pick this year, you 1229 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:29,760 Speaker 1: get you know, a couple of mid round picks this year, 1230 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,720 Speaker 1: or something like that, just to uh kind of keep 1231 00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,360 Speaker 1: building the depth. But you move back a little bit 1232 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,480 Speaker 1: in the first round. Something like that I could see. 1233 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,040 Speaker 1: I I just think I have a hard time seeing 1234 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,200 Speaker 1: some team swing for a huge blockbuster that involves the 1235 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,560 Speaker 1: fifth pick and a first round next year and obviously 1236 00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,720 Speaker 1: more pieces. So I think probably most likely end up 1237 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,840 Speaker 1: sticking where they're at, but certainly they'll be entertaining you know, 1238 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,640 Speaker 1: any and all offers up until they enter that that pick. 1239 00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,720 Speaker 1: All right, Dane, let's make the pick fifth overall the 1240 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,560 Speaker 1: New York Giants select. Yeah, so death rounded quite a bit. 1241 00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,160 Speaker 1: I think it was obvious. So Evan Neil from Ali him, 1242 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,520 Speaker 1: I think that is uh sort of a slam dunk 1243 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,120 Speaker 1: at this point. If it would be an interesting decision 1244 00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,480 Speaker 1: if you know, if you Akwana was there, because then 1245 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,360 Speaker 1: you get into you know, which one of those guys 1246 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,360 Speaker 1: do you think is better? And that's a whole nother discussion. 1247 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,160 Speaker 1: But I think again sort of made it easy for 1248 00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,320 Speaker 1: me here. You know, the the edge rushers are gone, 1249 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,200 Speaker 1: the uh, the other tackles gone. I know Charles Cross 1250 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,880 Speaker 1: has gotten some buzz here, and I know the giants, 1251 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,120 Speaker 1: you know from everything I've heard, they are genuinely interested. 1252 00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,200 Speaker 1: It just feels like Neil, if we're talking safe here again, 1253 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,560 Speaker 1: Um is probably a safer pick on a Cross, maybe 1254 00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,800 Speaker 1: as the highest ceiling, but if you're looking to just 1255 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,520 Speaker 1: kind of put one in the fairway here on your 1256 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,280 Speaker 1: on your first pick, I don't think you go wrong 1257 00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,000 Speaker 1: with a guy who's played right tackle. You know, which 1258 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,680 Speaker 1: is a position he'll come into play. You played at Alabama, 1259 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,240 Speaker 1: played a lot of big games. Uh, you know, has 1260 00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,760 Speaker 1: the measurables, has all the traits, so uh to me 1261 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,520 Speaker 1: that that's kind of slam dunk pick if that's how 1262 00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,800 Speaker 1: the first four unfold. No, I'm with you, din You 1263 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,080 Speaker 1: mentioned the extra heat on Cross. I've heard it from 1264 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,200 Speaker 1: three different draft and I knows that I that I 1265 00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,520 Speaker 1: trust that they're hearing cross cross cross. Hell, does that 1266 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,440 Speaker 1: mean they just like cross? Doesn't mean they like him 1267 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,040 Speaker 1: better than knew in a quantity Like you don't you 1268 00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,960 Speaker 1: don't know the context of that. How do you if 1269 00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,280 Speaker 1: you had your choice of all four, would Neil be 1270 00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,360 Speaker 1: the pick or would you prefer Quantu? How do you 1271 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,840 Speaker 1: kind of stand these guys up next to each other? Yeah, 1272 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:16,520 Speaker 1: Like you know, like I said, I like that they 1273 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,360 Speaker 1: took that. That's not in my hands. I'm certainly not 1274 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,640 Speaker 1: an offensive line expert. And it's really like a you know, 1275 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,600 Speaker 1: kind of a bathchor Robins thing, like picked your flavor. 1276 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,880 Speaker 1: You talked to different scouts, different coaches, and I want 1277 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,960 Speaker 1: to say a Kuanda and why don't say kneel? Um. 1278 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:28,840 Speaker 1: I was just talking to somebody the other day and 1279 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,760 Speaker 1: they had cross head of kneel and with a Quantu 1280 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,680 Speaker 1: cross the Neil. So, I mean, it's real. It really 1281 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,640 Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of that Andrew Thomas draft class, 1282 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,720 Speaker 1: where you kind of had you knew who the top 1283 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,360 Speaker 1: guys were, but everyone sort of had a different preference. 1284 00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,280 Speaker 1: I think at the time people were a little surprised 1285 00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,200 Speaker 1: that Thomas was the first, but there were definitely people 1286 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,000 Speaker 1: thought he was the best. I think you're gonna see 1287 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,160 Speaker 1: that same thing unfold here where Um. I think everyone 1288 00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,440 Speaker 1: knows that the cross the Quantu and Neil are going 1289 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,240 Speaker 1: to go in the probably top ten um the order. 1290 00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,000 Speaker 1: It feels like Neil and a Quantu are given um 1291 00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,640 Speaker 1: a little bit of a nudge overcross between Neil and 1292 00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,760 Speaker 1: a quant Know. Again, I don't think the Giants got 1293 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,040 Speaker 1: to make that decision. I think at least one of 1294 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,240 Speaker 1: them be gone, and then we get to the cross flow, 1295 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:06,640 Speaker 1: maybe both of them are gone, because I don't think 1296 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,000 Speaker 1: it's crazy to think that, like they Houston and the 1297 01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,240 Speaker 1: Jets could take tackles um, and then then you're in 1298 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,400 Speaker 1: a situation where you love crossing up to take him 1299 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,640 Speaker 1: with five. So uh, it's it's so fascinating. It's especially 1300 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,840 Speaker 1: with having the seventh pick, you know, coming back around UM, 1301 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,600 Speaker 1: it's kind of really interesting how they pieces together. Um. 1302 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, I like I said, I think Neil is 1303 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,840 Speaker 1: a pretty safe pick um, so listen, if he's there five, 1304 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't hesitate too much to turn that card. In 1305 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,080 Speaker 1: the final question, how cute did you know you use 1306 01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,520 Speaker 1: this especial before? How cute did you think about getting 1307 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,800 Speaker 1: knowing you have two tackles left and one's definitely gonna 1308 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,680 Speaker 1: be there at seven, Did you worry about what the 1309 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,880 Speaker 1: Panthers we're gonna do with six? How much are you 1310 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,840 Speaker 1: taking that a consideration here as you try to make 1311 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,000 Speaker 1: that calculation to maximize the value of your picks at 1312 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,120 Speaker 1: five and seven. Yeah, no, I mean it's in unique 1313 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,440 Speaker 1: situation to have two top ten picks and just separated 1314 01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,000 Speaker 1: by one. I mean, I think that the Giants have 1315 01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:57,920 Speaker 1: to be spending some of their time You're trying to 1316 01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,480 Speaker 1: determine what the Panthers are gonna do, and that doesn't 1317 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,360 Speaker 1: even talk that the panthersn't want to trade back. So 1318 01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,240 Speaker 1: then you know, it's like you can drive ut crazy 1319 01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,400 Speaker 1: probably to figure out all the machinations of how that 1320 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,920 Speaker 1: stick pick it unfold. But I think that's where you 1321 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,800 Speaker 1: just I think you take the best guy at that point. 1322 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,960 Speaker 1: You don't get too cute, because I do think if 1323 01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,520 Speaker 1: the Panthers stay at six, and I know there's a 1324 01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,840 Speaker 1: lot of quarterback talk there, if they don't take a quarterback, 1325 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,600 Speaker 1: they're probably gonna be looking to take a tackle. So 1326 01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,520 Speaker 1: nice to say, it's nice saying, oh, well, you just, 1327 01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,160 Speaker 1: you know, leave them both there and you get one 1328 01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,760 Speaker 1: and seven. Well, again, as I said earlier, they evaluate 1329 01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,400 Speaker 1: these guys. They don't just flip a coin like they 1330 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,160 Speaker 1: like one of them more than the other more more, 1331 01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,080 Speaker 1: most likely, it's very unlikely that two guys are great 1332 01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,680 Speaker 1: at the exact same on their board, so the idea, 1333 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,280 Speaker 1: but one of them will be there, like, I don't 1334 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,400 Speaker 1: think that's how they're gonna operate. And I also think 1335 01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,320 Speaker 1: that I'm gonna make the seven picks for you. But 1336 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,640 Speaker 1: I think Sauce Gardner would be a great fit and 1337 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,000 Speaker 1: him still being available to be enticing, So I think 1338 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,000 Speaker 1: you probably better off if you're gonna play that kind 1339 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,200 Speaker 1: of gamble. He's probably more likely to be there at 1340 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,320 Speaker 1: seven because think Panthers will take a tackle, So I'm 1341 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,480 Speaker 1: gonna get my tackle about five and then hopefully a 1342 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,000 Speaker 1: guy like Sauce Gardners there seven. Rather than saying, you know, 1343 01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,440 Speaker 1: I'll just take Sauce now and take whatever tackles left over, 1344 01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,320 Speaker 1: I think that that would be the definitely it should 1345 01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,040 Speaker 1: being too cute, and I think that could be a 1346 01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,240 Speaker 1: recipe for some some sleepless nights to keep going back 1347 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,920 Speaker 1: to Joe Shane's kind of favorite draft expression. No, I 1348 01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,040 Speaker 1: agree with you, and then Dan Schneier will be with 1349 01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,800 Speaker 1: us to pick number seven. Um at the end of 1350 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,840 Speaker 1: this mock draft, Dan, great stuff, Then I appreciate it. 1351 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,919 Speaker 1: Tell the folks where they can find all your stuff. Yeah, 1352 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,480 Speaker 1: obviously at the Athletic and then on Twitter. D dug 1353 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,400 Speaker 1: in one certainly be be filling it up the next 1354 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,240 Speaker 1: week leading into the draft and then coming out of 1355 01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,800 Speaker 1: it will be plenty of analysis and coverage, so it 1356 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,080 Speaker 1: should be a fun couple of weeks here. All right, Dan, 1357 01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:32,960 Speaker 1: we'll see you tomorrow. We got Joe Shane live in 1358 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,680 Speaker 1: the auditorium, old school baby. We'll see you then, all right, 1359 01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,400 Speaker 1: looking forward to it. Thanks Sean. We thank Dan Duggan 1360 01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,400 Speaker 1: from the Athletic for joining us to make the Giants 1361 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,200 Speaker 1: pick at number five. Evan Neil. Let's do a very 1362 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,120 Speaker 1: quick recap here to make sure everyone understands where we're at. 1363 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,560 Speaker 1: Number one. Adan Hudginson too the Jaguars, Trayvon Walker to 1364 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,840 Speaker 1: the Lines, and number two Ikiakwanu to the Houston Texans 1365 01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,160 Speaker 1: at three. Cavon Thibodeaux to the Jets. At number four, 1366 01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,000 Speaker 1: Dan Duggan picks Evan the Open the Giants at number 1367 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,320 Speaker 1: five and now joining us to make the selection for 1368 01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,600 Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers at number six. He's Jonathan Alexander. He 1369 01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,520 Speaker 1: covers the Panthers for the Charlotte Observer. Jonathan, thanks so 1370 01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,520 Speaker 1: much for joining us today. Man, how are you? I'm good? 1371 01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,920 Speaker 1: Are you? I'm doing fantastic? All right? One of the 1372 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,240 Speaker 1: Panthers thinking here. I really think they're really one of 1373 01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,800 Speaker 1: the pivot points in this draft. I know they've done 1374 01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,320 Speaker 1: a ton of work on the quarterbacks, but does that 1375 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:26,120 Speaker 1: necessarily mean that they're picking one at six? No, I 1376 01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,640 Speaker 1: don't think so. I think, you know, the Panthers UM 1377 01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:34,120 Speaker 1: probably share in the sentiment that this draft class um 1378 01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:38,560 Speaker 1: is a wild card. Nobody's really sure how good these 1379 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,520 Speaker 1: quarterbacks will be, So taking one UM is a chance. Um, 1380 01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,280 Speaker 1: it's a gamble. And I think the family really have 1381 01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:46,840 Speaker 1: a need and they know they have a need and 1382 01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,520 Speaker 1: offensive line, and they lacked like the top three offers 1383 01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,360 Speaker 1: lineman and the draft class and one still on the board. Alright, 1384 01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,120 Speaker 1: so how is this dynamic working? Then? You know, the 1385 01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,240 Speaker 1: word from the outside looking in is that Matt rules 1386 01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,320 Speaker 1: kind of on the hots. See. First of all, is 1387 01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:05,720 Speaker 1: do you think that's legit or is that just outside noise? Yeah? 1388 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,080 Speaker 1: I do think it is legit. You know, you know 1389 01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,919 Speaker 1: they've lost two straight um and they've had two straight 1390 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,320 Speaker 1: five wins seasons under Matt Rule, and you know another 1391 01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,280 Speaker 1: season like that won't he won't do. He wouldn't be 1392 01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,000 Speaker 1: able to keep his job. I think they're thinking, Uh, 1393 01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,880 Speaker 1: if you talk to people close to David Tepper, is 1394 01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,720 Speaker 1: that you know you're on the hot seat every year, 1395 01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:30,160 Speaker 1: and um, so this is definitely a muscle win miror Uh, 1396 01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,720 Speaker 1: of course. Yeah. It seems to be a tough year 1397 01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,200 Speaker 1: to have a musk wine year, right when you don't 1398 01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:36,880 Speaker 1: when you have Sam Donald coming back at quarterback. They 1399 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,600 Speaker 1: struck out on the big fish in the quarterback market. 1400 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,200 Speaker 1: You mentioned that this this draft class is not great 1401 01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,720 Speaker 1: at quarterback. So how do you think they're gonna try 1402 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,760 Speaker 1: to address this quarterback position so Matt Rule can try 1403 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:52,600 Speaker 1: to save his job. Quite frankly, yeah, I think that 1404 01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,080 Speaker 1: bill they'll do trying to make the smart decision. I don't. 1405 01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:58,320 Speaker 1: I don't think that they'll do anything desperate, but you 1406 01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,640 Speaker 1: know they do. They are speaking of upgrade their quarterback 1407 01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,400 Speaker 1: and I think, uh, well, what I know is the 1408 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,760 Speaker 1: two quarterbacks that appealed to them that are still possibly available, 1409 01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,640 Speaker 1: or Jim Garofolo and Becker Mayfield. So I think and 1410 01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,760 Speaker 1: they'll try to make a move for one of those 1411 01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,280 Speaker 1: quarterbacks when the price tax for both of those quarterbacks 1412 01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,640 Speaker 1: come down. Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. 1413 01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,280 Speaker 1: All right, let's push quarterback aside. You mentioned offensive tackle. 1414 01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,360 Speaker 1: Any other positions of need you think the Panthers would 1415 01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:26,160 Speaker 1: be trying to target here. Yeah, the dependo's top three 1416 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:30,000 Speaker 1: targets are offensive line, quarterback, and defense of that. So 1417 01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,280 Speaker 1: one of those three positions they would most definitely target 1418 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,760 Speaker 1: there And said, how do you think they measure the 1419 01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:37,680 Speaker 1: top of the defensive end class at the top of 1420 01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,680 Speaker 1: the offensive tackle class, because both groups are really positions 1421 01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,760 Speaker 1: of strength in in in this year's class. Yeah, I 1422 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,640 Speaker 1: think there's they're one equal footing really, Um, the top 1423 01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:51,600 Speaker 1: defensive ends along with the top offensive tackles. Um, you know, 1424 01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,600 Speaker 1: they think highly of vote, So they wouldn't be afraid 1425 01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,480 Speaker 1: to take one of those positions if the best available 1426 01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,920 Speaker 1: player was there, especially here was the defense to the end. 1427 01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,320 Speaker 1: You know, they're not afraid to take it because they 1428 01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,720 Speaker 1: have a name there and they think high. Now, one 1429 01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,680 Speaker 1: thing Giant fans would want to know is they try 1430 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,240 Speaker 1: to navigate this picks five and seven with only the 1431 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,000 Speaker 1: Panthers in between, under any circumstances. Do you think the 1432 01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,400 Speaker 1: Panthers pick a cornerback or do you think that's off 1433 01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,360 Speaker 1: the board for them. I think that's off the board 1434 01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,560 Speaker 1: for them. I think they like um Um sauce gardener 1435 01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,640 Speaker 1: Um and they think he's worthy of the top um 1436 01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,280 Speaker 1: Tim Pig. However, you know They're cornerback is one of 1437 01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,600 Speaker 1: their deepest positions. Would the Panthers look to trade down 1438 01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,600 Speaker 1: in this situation, given the fact that I don't believe 1439 01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:37,480 Speaker 1: they pick again until round four, Yeah, definitely they want 1440 01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,360 Speaker 1: to day Tooth pick Um. But the problem with that is, 1441 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,440 Speaker 1: like you have to have a team that is willing 1442 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,919 Speaker 1: to trade up and uh, but the Panthers to take 1443 01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,120 Speaker 1: that a trade, um, they would have to get a 1444 01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:54,840 Speaker 1: significant number of assets um when this year's draft end 1445 01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,280 Speaker 1: next to draft for them. No, I'm with you, and 1446 01:06:58,320 --> 01:06:59,800 Speaker 1: I think the Giants would like to move down to 1447 01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:01,440 Speaker 1: Jonathan and I don't think they're gonna be able to 1448 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,800 Speaker 1: fund the partner, So I'm with you on that. All right, 1449 01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:07,160 Speaker 1: let's let's really quickly. Uh, who who's your pick? Then? 1450 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:12,000 Speaker 1: At number six? My pick is the Cippi state Charles 1451 01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,480 Speaker 1: Cross in Pantas like him. Um, you know, you know, 1452 01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,479 Speaker 1: at first they were a little they weren't really sure 1453 01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,080 Speaker 1: at the comboine, but they they've had him in for 1454 01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,040 Speaker 1: a visit today and they've seen the physicals and they 1455 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:26,960 Speaker 1: really like if all three of those tackles were available, 1456 01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,120 Speaker 1: how do you think the Panthers have them ranked one 1457 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:34,040 Speaker 1: through three? I know that they love Evan Neil, and 1458 01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:37,640 Speaker 1: they really like ke macjuando and they really like Charles Cross, 1459 01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,600 Speaker 1: So that would be my order. Evan Neil like Kei 1460 01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,760 Speaker 1: mcwando and Charles Cross or how they be that order? 1461 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,560 Speaker 1: Very good, Jonathan, awesome stuff. Man. We appreciate you joining 1462 01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,760 Speaker 1: us on this reporter mock draft. We'll talk to you 1463 01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:51,360 Speaker 1: down the road, right pal, alright, don't miss your chance 1464 01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,919 Speaker 1: to experience a premiere hospitality experience watching Giants games world 1465 01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,640 Speaker 1: class concerts in two as a Giant Sweet partner. Limited 1466 01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,240 Speaker 1: full season locations are availble or plays a deposit for 1467 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:06,040 Speaker 1: individual games called n y his Giants dot com slash 1468 01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:10,600 Speaker 1: suites for more information. All Right, we thank John Alexander 1469 01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,720 Speaker 1: for joining us again. He covers the Panthers for the 1470 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:18,240 Speaker 1: Charlotte Observer. And now we head over to Dan Schneider. 1471 01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,799 Speaker 1: You can check out his work on the Big Blue 1472 01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,559 Speaker 1: Banter podcast and make sure you go check that out. 1473 01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,680 Speaker 1: Was just on his show, um the other day. We 1474 01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,080 Speaker 1: had a lot of fun talking draft with him and 1475 01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:31,800 Speaker 1: his co host Nick, So make sure you guys go 1476 01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:33,840 Speaker 1: check that out. Dan got to talk to you, man. 1477 01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,160 Speaker 1: How are you welcome to the Giants Huddle Podcast, Beat 1478 01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,880 Speaker 1: Reporter mock Draft. Thanks for having me back. Thanks for 1479 01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:41,599 Speaker 1: having me on. John, It's great to talk to you again. 1480 01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,479 Speaker 1: Anytime we get to talk draft of John Malcolm happy man. Yes, 1481 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna have some fun here. We're gonna talk some 1482 01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,719 Speaker 1: Giants too. So just to recap very quickly, the first 1483 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,719 Speaker 1: six picks of this draft Aidan Hudginson and one Travon 1484 01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,240 Speaker 1: Walker to no surprises, ikey A Kwantu with three that's 1485 01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,719 Speaker 1: still kind of a wild card. Cavon Thibodeau at four 1486 01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,400 Speaker 1: Giants via Dan Dugant of the Athletics, like Evan Neil 1487 01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:06,040 Speaker 1: number five, Carolina Panthers saying no to the quarterback and 1488 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,479 Speaker 1: they say yes to the final offensive tackle on the 1489 01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:12,040 Speaker 1: board in Charles Cross at six. Uh. Dan is to 1490 01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,599 Speaker 1: pick here at number seven. We had to go double 1491 01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,840 Speaker 1: Dan's here, uh And I think this is a pretty 1492 01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,360 Speaker 1: easy selection for you. We'll get to it. Let's let's 1493 01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,920 Speaker 1: talk around at first. What do you think of the 1494 01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,000 Speaker 1: first six picks here and how the draft has gone 1495 01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,479 Speaker 1: so far? You know, I take that first as a 1496 01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,880 Speaker 1: Giants fan, I take those first six picks any day. 1497 01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,800 Speaker 1: Getting Evan Neil my offensive tackle number one at five 1498 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,400 Speaker 1: is the ideal scenario. And as overall those first six picks, 1499 01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,240 Speaker 1: nothing really jumps out of surprise to me. It's a 1500 01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,599 Speaker 1: little bit, it's it's it's pretty much what you expect 1501 01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,080 Speaker 1: right now. If there's gonna be a surprise, I think 1502 01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,519 Speaker 1: you would have seen maybe a team go for the 1503 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,720 Speaker 1: upside of Derek Stingley in the top six, which I've 1504 01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,960 Speaker 1: heard could happen. Maybe a team go for the upside 1505 01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,080 Speaker 1: of Leek Wilth. But it what according to plan, and 1506 01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,599 Speaker 1: now we obviously landed that second Giants first round pick. 1507 01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,800 Speaker 1: Is there anyone that you're happy to see off the 1508 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,960 Speaker 1: awards so you didn't have to make a decision on them, Yes, 1509 01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,240 Speaker 1: that would be Cavon Tivodeaux, because there's two players who 1510 01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,639 Speaker 1: would have been in my kind of crosshairs for the 1511 01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:12,840 Speaker 1: seventh overall pick, and it makes it a little easier 1512 01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:14,680 Speaker 1: when one of them is off the board. Do you 1513 01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:18,479 Speaker 1: have any concerns about Tivadeaux Not a goat again, not 1514 01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,599 Speaker 1: a bad kid, but um, some of the off the field, 1515 01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, personality stuff that we've heard about with him. 1516 01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,200 Speaker 1: So for me, no, and I talked about this a 1517 01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,679 Speaker 1: lot with Nick on the podcast. We don't have access 1518 01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,639 Speaker 1: to every single game. We both watched six games of Tivodau, 1519 01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:34,760 Speaker 1: but we didn't see any effort issues in the games 1520 01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,160 Speaker 1: we watched. Now we know people who have more access 1521 01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,639 Speaker 1: to the tape say otherwise, So it's hard to say. 1522 01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:41,599 Speaker 1: But as far as the off field stuff, I kind 1523 01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,160 Speaker 1: of like that dog in him. I kind of like 1524 01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,720 Speaker 1: that personality and that drive to want to be the 1525 01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,800 Speaker 1: best and belief that you are the best, and actually 1526 01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,840 Speaker 1: think it fits well with the Giants, and it sounds 1527 01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:51,320 Speaker 1: like the Giant people talk about it, but it's not 1528 01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,080 Speaker 1: like the Giants haven't had that in the past. At 1529 01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,360 Speaker 1: the edge position, they have probably one of the biggest 1530 01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,000 Speaker 1: personalities ever at the X position, the greatest sedge of 1531 01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,960 Speaker 1: all time. Yeah, and by the way, Michael Strayan had 1532 01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,160 Speaker 1: a bit of a personality there too. By the way, 1533 01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,640 Speaker 1: just just why for the people that total old the 1534 01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:10,320 Speaker 1: man um So yeah, look, I'm with you. Let's talk 1535 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,400 Speaker 1: needs here. How would you rank the giants needs here 1536 01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,439 Speaker 1: are coming in at five and seven this year for 1537 01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,719 Speaker 1: you in the draft? Yeah? For me, especially with this class, 1538 01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,360 Speaker 1: offensive tackle is by far and away the most important need, 1539 01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,320 Speaker 1: just because if you go deeper into this class, there 1540 01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,360 Speaker 1: are options at edge that intreat me at thirty six. 1541 01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,559 Speaker 1: There are options at corner that intreat me at thirty six, 1542 01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,439 Speaker 1: There are options that safety. There aren't really many options 1543 01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,320 Speaker 1: that I think are gonna be there at offensive tackle 1544 01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,880 Speaker 1: at thirty six. That intrigued me. So I feel like, 1545 01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:38,320 Speaker 1: if you've got if you have a chance to get 1546 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,240 Speaker 1: one of these three tackles, you have to take it. 1547 01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm with you. Then, what what would you put second 1548 01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:47,680 Speaker 1: corner or edge? For me? Second is corner for a 1549 01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,960 Speaker 1: lot of reasons. One the system from Wink Martindale system, 1550 01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,160 Speaker 1: you need to have guys who can be on an 1551 01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,760 Speaker 1: island in man coverage because the days of those two 1552 01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,320 Speaker 1: high looks and the zone heavy scheme that we've seen 1553 01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,360 Speaker 1: from the Giants the past two seasons. There, Oh, we're 1554 01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,120 Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of Cover one. We're gonna see 1555 01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:03,559 Speaker 1: a lot of middle of the field closed with one 1556 01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,000 Speaker 1: safety there. And so you need guys you can rely 1557 01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:07,680 Speaker 1: on the on the outside. I also am a big 1558 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:11,360 Speaker 1: believer in pass coverage over pass rushers at this stage 1559 01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,960 Speaker 1: of the NFL life, because look, most of these teams 1560 01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,200 Speaker 1: are designed right now on offense to get rid of 1561 01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,040 Speaker 1: the ball in two point five seconds or less. So 1562 01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,280 Speaker 1: you really need guys who can hold up in coverage. 1563 01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:24,040 Speaker 1: Does the volatility of the cornerback position give you any pause? 1564 01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,200 Speaker 1: That's probably the only thing that gives me. Pauls right there. 1565 01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:30,519 Speaker 1: It's a volatility, and it's the you know, it's the 1566 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,120 Speaker 1: long it's not as necessarily the longevity factor as much 1567 01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,200 Speaker 1: as the injury factor there um, And we've seen some 1568 01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,080 Speaker 1: busts there, but overall, you need these guys. Just look 1569 01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,920 Speaker 1: at what happened with that Baltimore defense last year when 1570 01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,120 Speaker 1: they had their corners go down. It went from the 1571 01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,679 Speaker 1: most defense probably or at least one of the two 1572 01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:48,880 Speaker 1: or three most elite defenses the two years before to 1573 01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,479 Speaker 1: a defense that was giving up five dred yards at 1574 01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,559 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. All right, so let's look ahead. You said 1575 01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,719 Speaker 1: you do like some of the pass rushers or corners 1576 01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,280 Speaker 1: you might be able to get it at thirty Uh 1577 01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:00,720 Speaker 1: what the thirty five? I think in round two? Right? 1578 01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,120 Speaker 1: Thirty six? Part of me? Who are some of the 1579 01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,880 Speaker 1: pass rushers or cornerbacks you might like if they can 1580 01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:09,720 Speaker 1: get that far at to the top round two, Yes, 1581 01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,360 Speaker 1: let's start at corner. If they do go edge instead 1582 01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,519 Speaker 1: at the seventh, pick a guy who originally there was 1583 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,519 Speaker 1: no chance we'd ever be there at thirty six might 1584 01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,559 Speaker 1: be there now with injury concerns. Andrew Booth. I don't 1585 01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,960 Speaker 1: have the medicals on him, but Booth, to me is 1586 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,640 Speaker 1: the exact type of corner you want to fit the 1587 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,559 Speaker 1: Wink Martindale system. I think Kyra Ram is interesting because 1588 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,840 Speaker 1: I think he does somewhat fit the system, but I 1589 01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,200 Speaker 1: have some concerns with him. And then next guy for 1590 01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:36,280 Speaker 1: me would be Kyler Gordon because he may not be 1591 01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,599 Speaker 1: getting the buzz that people. You might not be getting 1592 01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,479 Speaker 1: thirty six overall buzz right now, but he does fit 1593 01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,240 Speaker 1: in my mind what link Martinel wants to do. Yes, 1594 01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,400 Speaker 1: he played a lot of his own at Washington, but 1595 01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:48,559 Speaker 1: if you look at just the staffs and you separate 1596 01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,800 Speaker 1: the ones where he was in man coverage, he had 1597 01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,200 Speaker 1: a really strong grade and I think I believe according 1598 01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,880 Speaker 1: to Pro Football Focus, over ninety was his grade and 1599 01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,760 Speaker 1: just man coverage. So we're again if we're looking at 1600 01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,880 Speaker 1: corner in the second round, under the third round from 1601 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,880 Speaker 1: the Giants, we want these man coverage corners, these guys 1602 01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,920 Speaker 1: who fit what Mink Martindale wants to do. And as 1603 01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:08,800 Speaker 1: far as the edge defenders go, I got a lot 1604 01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:10,559 Speaker 1: of guys I really like who could be there at 1605 01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,479 Speaker 1: thirty six, But I want to start with my favorite here, 1606 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,519 Speaker 1: and my favorite here would be Arnold Ebuketty out of 1607 01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,240 Speaker 1: Penn State. You watch him play, and this guy is 1608 01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:20,840 Speaker 1: a man with his hair and fire, and the thing 1609 01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,519 Speaker 1: I liked a lot about him is that he's in 1610 01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,759 Speaker 1: my mind at he's proven he can take over games. 1611 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,040 Speaker 1: First game of the season last year for Penn State 1612 01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,920 Speaker 1: first Wisconsin, he takes over that game. He in my mind, 1613 01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:33,600 Speaker 1: he's the reason they won that game. It was a 1614 01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,639 Speaker 1: close game where I believe they won by a field 1615 01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,920 Speaker 1: goal at the end. So I really like Evuketty. He'd 1616 01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,120 Speaker 1: be number one on my list. Boy math A out 1617 01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,720 Speaker 1: of Minnesota six or four to sixty one has a 1618 01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,080 Speaker 1: lot of the traits you want and the production. I 1619 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,400 Speaker 1: like him a lot. And then a player I think 1620 01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,640 Speaker 1: is interesting John at thirty six that's starting to get 1621 01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,280 Speaker 1: a little bit more buzz is Drake Jackson. You don't 1622 01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,679 Speaker 1: always see it on tape. So I understand why there's 1623 01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,160 Speaker 1: reservations with Drake Jackson. But if you think about what 1624 01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,880 Speaker 1: he can be right now, he's twenty one years old, 1625 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,839 Speaker 1: six ft three, two fifty five, is kind of gone 1626 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,120 Speaker 1: back and forth sixty five, but if you just look 1627 01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:09,880 Speaker 1: at his edge Ben and his birth for a guy 1628 01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,519 Speaker 1: that size, you could see potentially where he can make 1629 01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,280 Speaker 1: that kind of jump that you got that you know, 1630 01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,000 Speaker 1: the Vikings got with Danielle Hunter a few years ago, 1631 01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:21,080 Speaker 1: where he kind of wasn't really all that on tape. 1632 01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,680 Speaker 1: He didn't always have the effort quote unquote, but the 1633 01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,799 Speaker 1: trades were there. So those are the guys I'm interested, 1634 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,360 Speaker 1: I would say at corner and edge at Yeah, I'll 1635 01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:30,960 Speaker 1: tell you what. I rewatched Drake Jackson last night and 1636 01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:34,479 Speaker 1: I sat there, I'm like you know what, He's one 1637 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:38,920 Speaker 1: of the few guys that have legitimate bend and dip 1638 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,479 Speaker 1: wins on their tape. Right. There aren't many guys in 1639 01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,439 Speaker 1: this class that have that. He's one of them, you know. 1640 01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,760 Speaker 1: I wonder what weight he's gonna play at. He's kind 1641 01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:48,280 Speaker 1: of been all over the place. He played at two 1642 01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,600 Speaker 1: seventies and he went down to two, and he was 1643 01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,439 Speaker 1: a two fifties and he was up at two sixty. 1644 01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,559 Speaker 1: So I don't know where he wants to play how 1645 01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,599 Speaker 1: that's going to affect his play style. I do think 1646 01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:58,720 Speaker 1: he needs to put some more play strength. But I 1647 01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,880 Speaker 1: think if if you're looking for pass rush upside with 1648 01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,280 Speaker 1: his you know, ankle flexibility and you know those sort 1649 01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,400 Speaker 1: of technical things when you're trying to you know, bend 1650 01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:09,040 Speaker 1: at the top of that rush winning outside, I think 1651 01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,240 Speaker 1: him and a couple other guys in this class are 1652 01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,360 Speaker 1: the only couple that could do it. So I'm with you. 1653 01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:16,200 Speaker 1: I think he'd be a really fascinating pick there, uh 1654 01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,200 Speaker 1: for wing Martin Dale if you can isolate him on 1655 01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:21,280 Speaker 1: on in some of his blitz packages one on one, 1656 01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:22,920 Speaker 1: especially if he puts on some weight, he can move 1657 01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,000 Speaker 1: with some power to I think that could be really 1658 01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:30,920 Speaker 1: interesting addition, Yeah, for sure. All right, any other positions 1659 01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,280 Speaker 1: and and and we'll jump back to seven. But I 1660 01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,799 Speaker 1: think we're in captain obvious territory here. Uh. You mentioned safety, 1661 01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:38,080 Speaker 1: and I agree. I think that is a bit of 1662 01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:41,320 Speaker 1: an underrated need. You could talk about that in the 1663 01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,200 Speaker 1: later rounds. You can talk about Titan if you want. 1664 01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,280 Speaker 1: What other kind of positions are you thinking about in 1665 01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,280 Speaker 1: the later rounds of this draft with the Giants do 1666 01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:51,479 Speaker 1: need to fill some needs? Yeah, it's interesting because safety 1667 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,759 Speaker 1: isn't viewed by Sands right now is in major needs. 1668 01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,960 Speaker 1: But go look at the way Martindale defense or the 1669 01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:57,960 Speaker 1: last few years and see how often he uses three 1670 01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,400 Speaker 1: safeties on the field. And right now, if I'm a 1671 01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,400 Speaker 1: Giant fan, I'm only really trusting one safety for sure 1672 01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,040 Speaker 1: on the field at all times that they have on 1673 01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,000 Speaker 1: the roster. That's obviously Davia McKinney. So that's definitely a 1674 01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,120 Speaker 1: position that I'm interested in. But I actually feel like 1675 01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:13,080 Speaker 1: that's a position they can afford to potentially wait on 1676 01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,519 Speaker 1: at thirty six because there are some later round guys 1677 01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:19,120 Speaker 1: I like, specifically, Kirby Joseph comes to mind out of Illinois. 1678 01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,719 Speaker 1: He's a player who played in that Lovely Smith defense 1679 01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,200 Speaker 1: for a while, which was not good for him. It 1680 01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,400 Speaker 1: wasn't a good fit for him. Finally, first year out 1681 01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:27,639 Speaker 1: of the Lovely Smith defense last year gets to play 1682 01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,200 Speaker 1: them a lot more single high, gets to be that 1683 01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,840 Speaker 1: loaned guy in the backfield. And I love his range. 1684 01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,120 Speaker 1: I love his ability to come downhill as well, So 1685 01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:36,920 Speaker 1: I think he could be really good. Nick Cross as 1686 01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,800 Speaker 1: somebody who people talk about as a as a as 1687 01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,160 Speaker 1: a kind of single high look safety as well. I 1688 01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:44,679 Speaker 1: like the measurables and I'm okay betting on the trades there, 1689 01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:46,400 Speaker 1: but I didn't really see it when I watched a Cross. 1690 01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,040 Speaker 1: So Joseph is probably the later, the mid to later 1691 01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:50,880 Speaker 1: round safety that comes to mind. He might be there 1692 01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:52,960 Speaker 1: for them in days uh in round three, and I 1693 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,400 Speaker 1: think on day three, if we're going for the real 1694 01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,280 Speaker 1: late picks, that's where I really start to like a 1695 01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,200 Speaker 1: lot of the lesser needs for the Giants, as in 1696 01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,360 Speaker 1: wide receiver and running back. Two of my favorite sleepers 1697 01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,960 Speaker 1: in this class at any position, or Tayklon Thornton at 1698 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,840 Speaker 1: a bailer, the wide receiver who's six ft two one 1699 01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:11,599 Speaker 1: ran a four TETs the combines. So he's thinking, Okay, 1700 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna watch a track guy. When I watched him, 1701 01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,120 Speaker 1: then you watch him and he's plucking balls out of 1702 01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,920 Speaker 1: the air with his chance. He's strong at the contact point. 1703 01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,080 Speaker 1: You're like, this kind of might be a discount version 1704 01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,280 Speaker 1: of Christian Watson, who was stronger hands and was better 1705 01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,520 Speaker 1: at the cash point. So why is he not discussed 1706 01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,719 Speaker 1: as a potential. You know, day two pick as Watson 1707 01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:29,960 Speaker 1: is early day to pick, So Taykelon Thornton at a 1708 01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,680 Speaker 1: bailor and then ty Chandler's my guy, my running back 1709 01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,400 Speaker 1: out of U n C. He's goetting no buzz whatsoever. 1710 01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,840 Speaker 1: Ran a fourth despite running a four three eight. But 1711 01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,320 Speaker 1: when I watched his film, I see somebody who won 1712 01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,559 Speaker 1: can run between this actly because he has really good 1713 01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,960 Speaker 1: vision and he makes really good cuts. Two has the 1714 01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,759 Speaker 1: long speed, and then three shows up as a receiver. 1715 01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,320 Speaker 1: He ran a steam route against wake Forest where you 1716 01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,160 Speaker 1: high pointed a football that's Sam how put off target 1717 01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:55,920 Speaker 1: and it looked like a receiver out there. I know 1718 01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,320 Speaker 1: he's twenty three stopped turned twenty four. That's the skepticism there. 1719 01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,559 Speaker 1: But if you're taken are running back, do you really 1720 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,800 Speaker 1: have to worry about the age you're I mean, how 1721 01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:05,439 Speaker 1: much of a long term play is that if you're 1722 01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,160 Speaker 1: taking a running back on day three, you kind of 1723 01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,519 Speaker 1: can afford to get away with just four good years 1724 01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:10,920 Speaker 1: out of that. So those are some of the guys 1725 01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:12,960 Speaker 1: I like there, and then tight end this position that 1726 01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,800 Speaker 1: I would not take until day three, John, I like 1727 01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,080 Speaker 1: a lot of guys the tpen positions, like all think 1728 01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:20,120 Speaker 1: are going to come off the board on day three, 1729 01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:23,320 Speaker 1: starting with Charlie Kohler ending with Jake Ferguson, two guys 1730 01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,920 Speaker 1: who I think are vastly underrated in this draft class. 1731 01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,000 Speaker 1: So those are positions that target late. All right, let's 1732 01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,599 Speaker 1: jump back to number seven here. Then as we get 1733 01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:34,960 Speaker 1: the giants second pick, they picked Devin Neal at five, 1734 01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,320 Speaker 1: they're sitting there at seven and oh wait a second, 1735 01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:40,120 Speaker 1: do you want to make any phone calls? Are you 1736 01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:41,439 Speaker 1: trying to get out of this pick? Or are you 1737 01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:45,000 Speaker 1: sticking and picking? So that's a really interesting question. And 1738 01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,200 Speaker 1: those who listen to my podcast, No, I'm typically a 1739 01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,720 Speaker 1: trade back guy. I like to trade back, but not 1740 01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,320 Speaker 1: in this class right now. I think that the way 1741 01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,759 Speaker 1: this draft sets up at five and seven for the Giants. 1742 01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,479 Speaker 1: It just fits too perfectly with matching need with talent, 1743 01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,759 Speaker 1: with the best player available on my on the board 1744 01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:02,559 Speaker 1: where they took it at Devin Meal at five, and 1745 01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,840 Speaker 1: now again the best player available at a position of 1746 01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,360 Speaker 1: major needs. So if the board falls as it did 1747 01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,640 Speaker 1: in this mock, John, I'm not going to trade this 1748 01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,880 Speaker 1: pick back. What would it take for you to move 1749 01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:16,519 Speaker 1: if this particular player you're looking for wasn't there? Where 1750 01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,240 Speaker 1: would you how far down would you want to go? 1751 01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,160 Speaker 1: What are you in me to get back? What are 1752 01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:23,639 Speaker 1: your goals there in a potential trade down? Yeah, that's 1753 01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,720 Speaker 1: a great question. Some people have floated the idea of 1754 01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,280 Speaker 1: the two Saints first round picks. That's not my goal. 1755 01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:32,400 Speaker 1: My goal would be two gets first round pick, preferably 1756 01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,600 Speaker 1: from a team that I projected be one of the 1757 01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:38,920 Speaker 1: losing teams in two. During the two season, the ideal, 1758 01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,400 Speaker 1: the goal would be to set yourself up for a 1759 01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:45,200 Speaker 1: potential quarterback trade up in three if Daniel Jones doesn't 1760 01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,760 Speaker 1: work out in your woman, Brian Dables, that's kind of 1761 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:49,559 Speaker 1: where I'm at. It would take that to get me 1762 01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:53,599 Speaker 1: to move. Definitely, all right, make your pick a number 1763 01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:57,200 Speaker 1: seven here, Dan, alright at number seven. Overall, I'm taking 1764 01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,360 Speaker 1: my guy probably tipped it off, but it is a 1765 01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:01,920 Speaker 1: mod g on your a mod sauce Gardner, that is 1766 01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,320 Speaker 1: the corner out of Sincy. Now, first I will say 1767 01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:08,439 Speaker 1: this an interesting thought, an interesting thought process here is 1768 01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:10,680 Speaker 1: that if you watch all the tape of Gardener, and 1769 01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,280 Speaker 1: you watch all the tape of Derek Stingley, the other 1770 01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:16,479 Speaker 1: corner in this class, it's fair to say Stingley's nineteen 1771 01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,880 Speaker 1: film was better than any season Gardner had. But here's 1772 01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,680 Speaker 1: the key button. Joe Shane has said one of the 1773 01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,040 Speaker 1: things he's looking for in this draft class, especially up 1774 01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:28,600 Speaker 1: top independability, and that's something Gardner gives you it A 1775 01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:31,920 Speaker 1: hundred fifty one snaps as a press man coverage corner 1776 01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,519 Speaker 1: corner a PFS. No one's anywhere close to that, and 1777 01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:37,080 Speaker 1: they were good snaps at the press man coverage corner. 1778 01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,720 Speaker 1: He has just the perfect cookie cutter fit for the 1779 01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:45,400 Speaker 1: Wink Martindale defense. Arm length, percentile height, eighty nine percentile 1780 01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,639 Speaker 1: hand size, great film. He's tough at the point of contact, 1781 01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,880 Speaker 1: has the length, has everything you want about an island cornerback, 1782 01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,080 Speaker 1: and I just think you put him in with Martindale's 1783 01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:57,280 Speaker 1: defense and he's gonna shine. Who was the guy that 1784 01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:00,559 Speaker 1: you would have a real tough choice choosing between if 1785 01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,360 Speaker 1: Sauce was here and then you had to choose me 1786 01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:05,320 Speaker 1: to choose between him and Edge. Who who would have 1787 01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,519 Speaker 1: made that decision toughest for you? Thibodeau was the one 1788 01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:10,839 Speaker 1: who makes the toughest for me without a doubt, Assuming 1789 01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,160 Speaker 1: obviously Hutchinson doesn't make it that far, and I don't 1790 01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:16,800 Speaker 1: think anyone thinks he will it would probably Thibodeau is 1791 01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:18,640 Speaker 1: the only one for me, to be completely honest, I'm 1792 01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,960 Speaker 1: not big on Walker at all, and actually take Jermaine 1793 01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:24,559 Speaker 1: Johnson over a Walker to be honest. All right, Dan, 1794 01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:26,280 Speaker 1: good stuff. Tell the folks when they can find all 1795 01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:29,519 Speaker 1: your great content. Yeah, thanks so much for having me on. 1796 01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,880 Speaker 1: John Always fun to talk football with you. You can 1797 01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:35,120 Speaker 1: find my content over and the Big Blue Banter podcast 1798 01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:38,120 Speaker 1: a Big Blue Banter And if you like fantasy sports, 1799 01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,120 Speaker 1: check me out on CBS sports dot com, where I 1800 01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:43,639 Speaker 1: cover fantasy sports. Yeah, I might get some emails from 1801 01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:46,280 Speaker 1: CBS with fantasy Baseball advice with your name on it. 1802 01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:49,200 Speaker 1: I think that might say that happens. Uh day, Good stuff, 1803 01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,519 Speaker 1: my friend. We appreciate the time, Stay safe out there 1804 01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,200 Speaker 1: and enjoy the draft. Thank you, John, It's gonna be great. 1805 01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:57,320 Speaker 1: We thank Dan Schneierre from Big Blue Banter for joining 1806 01:22:57,400 --> 01:22:59,200 Speaker 1: us to make the Giants pick it seven. We thank 1807 01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,479 Speaker 1: Dan Duggan for pick number five and the rest of 1808 01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:05,000 Speaker 1: our crew Mike do Rocco, Jeff Risdom, John Harris, Ritz Sumini, 1809 01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,439 Speaker 1: and Jonathan Alexander. Everybody, thanks for joining us for this 1810 01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,799 Speaker 1: episode of the Giants Huddle podcast. I am John Schmilk. 1811 01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,639 Speaker 1: That's our beat reporter mock Draft. Thanks for being with us. 1812 01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,679 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time on The Giants Huddle