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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody? DJ? Bucky here, Moved the Sticks. Coming

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Speaker 1: to you. This is a little bicoastal episode of the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm in New York City, Bucky is in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: The Wonders of Technology. Buck. How you doing, man? Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing okay. How's everything going? It's nice, nice and brisk,

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Speaker 1: look cool, not too cold, but nice, little breeze outside,

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Speaker 1: sweatshirt weather, nothing wrong with that. What what do you

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Speaker 1: want to jump into? Buck? We got a lot to

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Speaker 1: get to. We can talk Monday night football. We've got

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Speaker 1: some offensive line chat to take place. And then, Man,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but let's gonna go heavy

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Speaker 1: college today. I think we should go heavy college considering

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Speaker 1: everything that is going on coming out of the championship game.

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Speaker 1: Let's see if the playoff, then the Heisman Trophy announcement. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's talking about college football a lot today. Yeah, we'll

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Speaker 1: get a lot of that in. Let's let's first of all, though,

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Speaker 1: I think we we owe it to that Monday night

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Speaker 1: it seems like every time these guys get together, um,

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Speaker 1: And it looks like the latest reports are that, uh

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Speaker 1: is definitely great news. But man, what a physical, physical

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Speaker 1: My nomination this week, Buck, I'm gonna go Dallas Cowboys. Um,

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Speaker 1: does very very well. When I look at USC play,

430
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Speaker 1: USC is a pure spread team, and I know that

431
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Speaker 1: sometimes when we see the helmet we think they're pro

432
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Speaker 1: style team. They are an RPO driven team, a lot

433
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Speaker 1: of r P o s, they get the ball out.

434
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Speaker 1: They play a spread system on his own run stuff

435
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Speaker 1: and read options stuff that he does, and he excels

436
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Speaker 1: at that. He is a guy that I think if

437
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Speaker 1: you try to put him in a traditional system and

438
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Speaker 1: make him stay tied to the pocket, I don't think

439
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Speaker 1: you would get the best Sam Donald that you can get.

440
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Speaker 1: I think, much like Carson Wentz has been able to

441
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Speaker 1: play in a hyper speed spread offense in Philadelphia, I

442
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Speaker 1: think you have to have the same plan in place

443
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Speaker 1: to allow Sam Donald to be what he could be,

444
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Speaker 1: which could be a very very good, too great quarterback

445
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Speaker 1: in the National Football League. Yeah, he's gonna be a

446
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Speaker 1: phone to watch. I think I'm trying to get out

447
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Speaker 1: there for that cotton ball so I can see his

448
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Speaker 1: his performance there against that group of defenders. I'm looking

449
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Speaker 1: forward to seeing how that goes down. What do you

450
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Speaker 1: have next? But for me, it's it's saying still Sam Donald,

451
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Speaker 1: but going on the other side, because I want to

452
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Speaker 1: see him play against the defense that was lights out

453
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Speaker 1: when I was there at the Big Ten Championship game,

454
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Speaker 1: namely that defensive line. Uh that Ohio State has is

455
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Speaker 1: loaded with athletes, and I know that we've talked about

456
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Speaker 1: Greg Jano said about that team being more than that

457
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Speaker 1: front line being more talented in the group that he

458
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Speaker 1: had a Tampa. But he may not be wrong. Nick

459
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Speaker 1: Bosa is really good and in fact, I will say

460
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Speaker 1: he is as good as his brother when it comes

461
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Speaker 1: to his technique and his hands, his ability to dominate upfront.

462
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Speaker 1: Sam Hubbard is an outstanding athlete. Look, I know he

463
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Speaker 1: was a lacrosse player in high school. You see all

464
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Speaker 1: of that athleticism on full display when he's coming off

465
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Speaker 1: the edge. They are able to really create problems, and

466
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Speaker 1: so seeing Sam Donald square off against those guys really excited,

467
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Speaker 1: really excited about what they do. Any other takeaways you

468
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Speaker 1: had from that big Tali takeaway game man the up

469
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Speaker 1: and down evaluation on JT. Barrett. I give him a

470
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Speaker 1: lot of credit for being able to play six days

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Speaker 1: post stop. I think it's crazy that even played. It's

472
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Speaker 1: crazy that Urban Mind not only played him but had

473
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Speaker 1: him running as the main feature back on that offense.

474
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Speaker 1: But I guess when you're Ohio State and you need

475
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Speaker 1: to win the championship to have an opportunity to go

476
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Speaker 1: to the playoff, I think you do what you have

477
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Speaker 1: to do. I think the big thing for me and

478
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Speaker 1: j T. Barrett he misses too many throws, I know many,

479
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Speaker 1: and they have some dudes naked and like DJ if

480
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Speaker 1: you were sitting there in the stands watching this game,

481
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,159
Speaker 1: Wisconsin played cover zero, meaning they played man to man,

482
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Speaker 1: no free safety in the middle of the field, and

483
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Speaker 1: they basically put it on JT. Barrett to make plays

484
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Speaker 1: in the past the game to beat them. He did

485
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Speaker 1: hit a couple of plays. He had a deep post

486
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Speaker 1: early in the game. They had an unbalanced empty formation

487
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Speaker 1: they didn't line up right. He got him on that.

488
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Speaker 1: They had a bubble screen to Paris Campbell that went

489
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Speaker 1: down the boundary. But for the most part J. T.

490
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Speaker 1: Barrett was missing easy layups against the Wisconsin defense. That

491
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Speaker 1: was over match athletically. That's why I don't think Ohio

492
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Speaker 1: State could have competed in that Final four. I just

493
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Speaker 1: don't think the quarterback play was good enough. That's interesting.

494
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Speaker 1: I went back and watched that game on tape on

495
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Speaker 1: my flight yesterday and was doing the center and man,

496
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what that that kid is a really, really,

497
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Speaker 1: really good player for Ohio State. Billy Price, I mean,

498
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Speaker 1: he's I think he's better than uh to me, reminds

499
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Speaker 1: me of Nick Mangold when Mangold was coming out. I

500
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Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a stud, multi year Pro Bowl player.

501
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: I think it's better an ELF line who we've seen

502
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Speaker 1: play well for Minnesota. I thought he was better than

503
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Speaker 1: Travis Frederick when Frederick came out between him and Quentin

504
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Speaker 1: Nelson at Notre Dame. I mean, those guys just plug him,

505
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Speaker 1: plug him in and play. They're gonna start for ten years.

506
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Speaker 1: You're not gonna have to worry about them. I don't

507
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Speaker 1: think they're gonna be top ten picks because the value

508
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Speaker 1: isn't there at the position. But if you if you

509
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Speaker 1: need an interior offensive lineman and you're picking in the

510
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Speaker 1: you know, teens or right around that, that range probably

511
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Speaker 1: is where they'll end up going. I don't I don't

512
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Speaker 1: know where the real risk is with those guys. Man,

513
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: just plug them and let him go. You can't go

514
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Speaker 1: wrong if you have a solid guy on the inside.

515
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Speaker 1: And I think the game is changing a little bit

516
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Speaker 1: when it comes to the guard evaluates. I think we're

517
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Speaker 1: seeing more guys that are able to play and do

518
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Speaker 1: some things up front. We're seeing how important it is

519
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Speaker 1: to be able to protect the quarterback right down the middle,

520
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Speaker 1: because we've seen these inside pass rushers that can dominate.

521
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Speaker 1: And no matter what we say about the devaluation of

522
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Speaker 1: the running game and the running back, you still need

523
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Speaker 1: to be able to run bar and run it between

524
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Speaker 1: the tackles. If you have a guard or center that

525
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Speaker 1: can control the point of attack, it certainly has an

526
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Speaker 1: advantage for you offensively. All right, I'll get my next

527
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Speaker 1: one in here real quick. Don't even need to talk

528
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Speaker 1: about this one very much. But to me, last year

529
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Speaker 1: when we looked at um Oh gosh, he played at

530
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Speaker 1: this university. They used to have a good football program,

531
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Speaker 1: wasn't They were orange uniforms. They have a tea on

532
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Speaker 1: the side of I don't know. They aren't good anymore.

533
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Tennessee, it's Tennessee. This They had a

534
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Speaker 1: defensive end from Tennessee named Derek Barnett last year. Yeah,

535
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Speaker 1: he's pretty good. We talked about him last year as

536
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Speaker 1: being kind of that high floor as well as as

537
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Speaker 1: a pretty high ceiling player. So I think this year's

538
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Speaker 1: version of I think Bradley Chubb is a better player

539
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Speaker 1: than Derek Barnett. Coming out at a NC State this year. Man,

540
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Speaker 1: I hate using that can't miss and safe, but with

541
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Speaker 1: his combination of effort, strength, power, speed technique, I mean

542
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Speaker 1: he is. His floor is extremely high. Ten sacks this year.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a perennial double digit

544
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Speaker 1: sack guy at the next level. I think if you're

545
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Speaker 1: looking for a sure fire top ten pick that that

546
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Speaker 1: you can plug and play that guy for me, so far,

547
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Speaker 1: what I've seen this year, of all the guys in

548
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Speaker 1: the draft, Bradley Chub will be that guy. Bradley Chubb

549
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: is awesome. He's a dominant player. He plays the game

550
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Speaker 1: with the nasty demeanor that you look for, but he's

551
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Speaker 1: also a really refined pass rusher off the edge. Broke

552
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Speaker 1: Mario Williams career record oft NC State with sacks um

553
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Speaker 1: He has a little attitude that you kind of like

554
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Speaker 1: because he brings some ficiness to the table. And every

555
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Speaker 1: time that I've looked at the NC State game, he

556
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Speaker 1: has shown up in a major way. When you're looking

557
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Speaker 1: at these blue chair prospects, these guys that should go

558
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Speaker 1: in to top ten, that's what you want to see.

559
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Speaker 1: A consistent level of dominance weekend week out. Bradley Chubb

560
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Speaker 1: certainly does that, no question. When you got next year

561
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Speaker 1: for us. But well, you know in the a CEC,

562
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Speaker 1: there's another pass rusher that I think is intriguing. His

563
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Speaker 1: name is Harold Landry from Boston College. He is a

564
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Speaker 1: guy that last year he has sixteen sixte and a

565
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Speaker 1: half sacks, was dominant off the edge. He's a guy

566
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Speaker 1: that reminded me a little bit of the way Von

567
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Speaker 1: Miller played at Texas A and M. I mean he

568
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: was an outside linebacker, put his hand in the dirt.

569
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Speaker 1: He can kind of go. Can come from a bunch

570
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Speaker 1: of different angles this year. He has been limited head

571
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Speaker 1: of ankle injury. But I saw that he's showing up

572
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Speaker 1: to play at the Senior Bowl. Has five sacks, but

573
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Speaker 1: four A guy like him who has shown that he

574
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Speaker 1: can be dominant player at time, the Senior Bowl is

575
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Speaker 1: a perfect opportunity for him to kind of put the

576
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Speaker 1: star back on his game. I think if he has

577
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Speaker 1: a dominant performance in the Senior Bowl, the conversation will

578
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Speaker 1: go back to him being a guy that could be

579
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Speaker 1: a top ten talent. Now it's uh, that's a very

580
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Speaker 1: very interesting player. I loved him when I watched him

581
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Speaker 1: over a summer and just has not been has not

582
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Speaker 1: been his year this year. So that'll be a big

583
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Speaker 1: opportunity for him. Buck. Uh. Next one for me Sae

584
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Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley kind of the forgotten man. Remember we talked

585
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Speaker 1: about him just kind of being a lock for the

586
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Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy or earlier in the season. Uh, I mean,

587
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: look the numbers. He still got another one to go here.

588
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: I think they play Washington, right, Penn State Washington the

589
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: Fiesta Bowl, which will be a great matchup. But here

590
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Speaker 1: he's sitting here over eleven hundred yards, sixteen touchdowns, had

591
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Speaker 1: eighteen Russian touchdowns last year. His receptions have have gone

592
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Speaker 1: away at forty seven catches this year as opposed to

593
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Speaker 1: when he ate last year, So still a really really

594
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Speaker 1: good year for him. UM had some games where the

595
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Speaker 1: numbers were down in some market games, obviously the Ohio

596
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: State game, even even though they were right there and

597
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: and really should have won, that game, kind of gave

598
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: it away only forty four rushing yards. People kind of

599
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: nicked him on that, and Michigan State came back the

600
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Speaker 1: next week and only had sixty three. But overall, for

601
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Speaker 1: what I've seen, this is still a special, special player.

602
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Speaker 1: I'd rate him talent wise above anybody we've had in

603
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Speaker 1: the draft last year I put him. I'd have a

604
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Speaker 1: higher grade on him than I had on his z Q. Elliott.

605
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Speaker 1: And we've seen what he's done in the league when

606
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Speaker 1: he's been out on the field. So this is still

607
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Speaker 1: a player, very very highly thought of, special talent, even

608
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Speaker 1: though you don't hear much about him anymore. I think

609
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Speaker 1: this is one situation where you have to look at

610
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Speaker 1: the film and not necessarily worry about the numbers. I

611
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Speaker 1: know he didn't have a lot of hundred yard games

612
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Speaker 1: this year. But when you watch the way that he plays,

613
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Speaker 1: he's built to play the pro game. He is going

614
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Speaker 1: to be a better pro than he was as a

615
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Speaker 1: college player. And the reason I say he would be

616
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Speaker 1: a better pro is because the way he plays the

617
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Speaker 1: game is the way running backs are supposed to play

618
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Speaker 1: the game in the NF field, run it inside and out,

619
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Speaker 1: move out displays, playing the slide, playout, why cast the ball,

620
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Speaker 1: run isolation routes against linebackers, out of empty formations, return

621
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Speaker 1: punch return kicks, find a way to flip the field

622
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: whenever he touches the ball. Sae Kwon Barkley brings a

623
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: lot of value, and a very creative offensive coordinator can

624
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Speaker 1: take a guy like him and build an offensive round.

625
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: So I do agree with your point about him being

626
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Speaker 1: a better prospect than Ezekiel Elliott because we didn't see

627
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Speaker 1: Ezeki Elliott move outside, do things in the slide, do

628
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Speaker 1: things in the passing game to the level that se

629
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Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley did, and then when you had to return

630
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: skills and boost him a notch, I think it's the

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Speaker 1: top five talent all day. Yeah, I'm here, no question here, Buck,

632
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Speaker 1: What do you got from Since you were talking about

633
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: guys that have kind of falling off the grid in

634
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: terms of the national radar, but it's still blut your players.

635
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: How about two sec receivers and Calvin Ridley and Christian Kirk.

636
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Speaker 1: When you look at the numbers, these guys didn't necessarily

637
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: while us in terms of their production. Calvin Realley fifty

638
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: five receptions almost nine the yards, only three touchdown US

639
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk fifty eight receptions, seven thirty seven touchdowns. But

640
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: when you watch them play, you love him. Calvin Ridley

641
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: is a clean route running outstanding pace and timing, and

642
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: his rouse does a great job of creating separation, can

643
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: get open, can make plays, has nice run after catchability.

644
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Speaker 1: And then with Christian Kirk, he is the ideal slot

645
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Speaker 1: receiver slash pump returner that has a tremendous amount of

646
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: production in the league. He can take small pass and

647
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Speaker 1: tourn him into big games. He can play and be

648
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Speaker 1: a viable factor in the kick game. He is someone

649
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: if you already have an established guy, he is a

650
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Speaker 1: nice complimentary playmaker. To add I think both of these

651
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Speaker 1: guys have the potential to be impact players at the

652
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Speaker 1: next level when they do decide to come out. Although overall,

653
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Speaker 1: would you agree with me and just in terms of

654
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Speaker 1: the buzz and talking to a buddies, that the buzz

655
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: at the receiver position overall a little bit down this year. Yeah,

656
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: it's down because I still think there's some conversation and

657
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Speaker 1: debate over who should be the number one guy, whether

658
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Speaker 1: it's Uh Courtland Sutland. You talk about these two guys

659
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Speaker 1: that you mentioned, you talk about James Washington at Oklahoma State.

660
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Speaker 1: There are a lot of guys that are intriguing, but

661
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Speaker 1: I don't know if we have that same level of like, hey,

662
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Speaker 1: this is a first round lock that we've had, or

663
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Speaker 1: this is a top fifteen locked player, a guy that's

664
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Speaker 1: a game changer at the position. I don't think the

665
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: buzz exists this year over those pass catchers, but I

666
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Speaker 1: do believe that there are some guys that can come

667
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Speaker 1: in and quietly make their impact and make their presence

668
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Speaker 1: known as first year players. Uh, I'm with you. It

669
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Speaker 1: will be interesting to follow those guys as we go forward.

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Speaker 1: My last takeaway here for me is is ro Kwan

671
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Speaker 1: Smith from Georgia, another player who has been outstanding this

672
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Speaker 1: fall and everything you hear about him, seems to check

673
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Speaker 1: out off the field to compliment what you see on

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Speaker 1: the field, and I'm just looking forward to him. I

675
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Speaker 1: would love to see Georgia get a chance to get

676
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Speaker 1: in the Championshi games. We can see ro Kuan Smith

677
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Speaker 1: twice to see if he can do what we saw

678
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Speaker 1: last year with Ruben Foster, which was dominate in the

679
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Speaker 1: big stage and show that you're the best player on

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Speaker 1: the field. I know so much to talk about Deshaun

681
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Speaker 1: Watson what he did in those games. For my money,

682
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Speaker 1: the most impressive player on the field that Championship game

683
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Speaker 1: last year was Ruben Foster running sideline to sideline, and

684
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Speaker 1: he saw it in the in the semifinal as well.

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Speaker 1: He he. I mean, if he didn't have the injury issue,

686
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Speaker 1: he would have been a top five pick. Uh Niners

687
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Speaker 1: ended up getting to steal with because of that injury.

688
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Speaker 1: But I'd like to see if Rokuan Smith can maybe

689
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Speaker 1: even elevate his stock even more by what he does

690
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Speaker 1: on the big stage his next two ball games. Roquan

691
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Speaker 1: Smith is dominant player. I love the way he plays.

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Speaker 1: I love watching him run silent silent. I like the

693
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Speaker 1: way that he impacts the game. You're right about Ruben Foster.

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Speaker 1: What Ruben Foster was able to do in those playoff games, Like,

695
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Speaker 1: we were able to see him absolutely obliterate opponents and

696
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Speaker 1: it kind of changed the way that you viewed about

697
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Speaker 1: his potential at the next level. I would love to

698
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Speaker 1: see him continue to have an opportunity. This game Georgia

699
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Speaker 1: versus Oklahoma will be interesting because we really get a

700
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Speaker 1: chance to see him in coverage. We will see him

701
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Speaker 1: matchup post on that he's running back coming out of

702
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Speaker 1: the backfield. It would be a good evaluation for scouts

703
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Speaker 1: to see what he could be at the next level. Yeah,

704
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be a lot to

705
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Speaker 1: speed in both these games. There's four fast football teams

706
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Speaker 1: are gonna be fun to watch. What's your what's your

707
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Speaker 1: final on here? Well, the big takeaway from me is

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Speaker 1: Herman Edwards and all of the conversation over the Arizona

709
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Speaker 1: State football structure. Um, we've been in this thing for

710
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Speaker 1: a long time and we obviously understand the way an

711
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Speaker 1: NFL structure is typically and traditionally done. You have a

712
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Speaker 1: head coach and a GM to have a relationship. You

713
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Speaker 1: have a scouting department, that handles all the personnel talent evaluations.

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Speaker 1: Then you have a coach and staff to deal with

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Speaker 1: the development. What is going on in Arizona State has

716
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Speaker 1: been explained like an NFL front office. You have Herm

717
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Speaker 1: Edwards acting as a CEO head coach. You have a

718
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Speaker 1: couple of guys acting as the football's ours that are

719
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Speaker 1: responsible for the recruiting and the talent acquisition and development.

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Speaker 1: And then you have a coaching staff planning a role

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Speaker 1: where they can really focus on being coaches. And I

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Speaker 1: know there were some snickers and some questions and concerns

723
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Speaker 1: about what is going on, but as you and I

724
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Speaker 1: have talked before we kicked off the podcast, this is

725
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Speaker 1: a model that has been done over the past decade.

726
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Speaker 1: And you go back to you think about Alabama what

727
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Speaker 1: they were able to do on the Nick Saban. They

728
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Speaker 1: basically created a front office structure within a college program

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Speaker 1: that has allowed them to really dominate recruiting, dominated development

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Speaker 1: of players, and put together a consistently dominant product on

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Speaker 1: the field. That is what all of these universities are

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Speaker 1: trying to copy and model themselves after. Yeah, and I

733
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Speaker 1: tweeted out, look, it's it's not complicated. It's how you

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Speaker 1: build your structure. A lot of teams are, a lot

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Speaker 1: of schools are doing this. In Arizona State is not

736
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Speaker 1: first in line, but I kind of agree with how

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Speaker 1: they're structuring it. But to me, it comes down to

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Speaker 1: three things. That comes down to evaluating the right players.

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Speaker 1: It comes down to recruiting the right players and getting

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Speaker 1: them on campus successfully. And then it comes down to

741
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Speaker 1: developing those players. And people can chime in and say, oh,

742
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Speaker 1: you gotta motivate them, and you gotta have game day coaching. Look,

743
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: if you just strip it down, those are the three

744
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Speaker 1: most important factors. The college game has and will forever

745
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Speaker 1: be about Jimmy's and Joe's, not XS and notes. You

746
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Speaker 1: go out and get the most talent you possibly can.

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Speaker 1: That's why Nick Saban. If you can't recruit, you can't

748
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Speaker 1: coach for him. It's great to have a good position,

749
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Speaker 1: oh too gets you through the right drills and development,

750
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Speaker 1: but if you can't get them on campus, it does

751
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Speaker 1: not matter. That's where it starts. And so her Edwards,

752
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Speaker 1: I know he's he's got a great personality. His biggest

753
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Speaker 1: contribution to this program at Arizona State is going to

754
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: be getting his getting himself out on the road as

755
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Speaker 1: much as possible, getting on the phone with these kids,

756
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Speaker 1: visiting these kids and getting them to commit to come

757
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Speaker 1: on campus at Arizona State. Because you can sit in

758
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,959
Speaker 1: a room and you can all identify who the good

759
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: players are. It doesn't matter if you can't talk him

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Speaker 1: into coming to your university. That's the most important task

761
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Speaker 1: he has ahead of him. Most important tasks. He has

762
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Speaker 1: to get the boat to the dock. He has to

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Speaker 1: get some of these top players to come and want

764
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Speaker 1: to play for him. I do like the move in

765
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Speaker 1: terms of what he brings from a character standpoint, how

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767
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Speaker 1: what it looks like when he steps into the living

768
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Speaker 1: room and talks to parents. However, he's ultimately going to

769
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Speaker 1: be judged by how he gets his team to perform

770
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Speaker 1: and what I think is a very very tough league.

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Speaker 1: Um he's in the South. He has to deal with Arizona,

772
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Speaker 1: with the town that athletes did they have. It is

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Speaker 1: going to be a challenge for Arizona State to make ground.

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Speaker 1: But I think what Arizona State aspires to be in

779
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Speaker 1: what they could be is let's just be a team

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787
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