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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Sunday, March eighth, and we

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Speaker 2: would like to officially welcome our KFI Southern California audience

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Speaker 3: Oo oo, we got so cal in the house.

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Speaker 2: We're so happy you're here because we have a stack

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Speaker 2: knight of headlines. It has been exactly six months since

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Speaker 2: the body of fourteen year old Celestrivas Hernandez was found

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Speaker 2: in David the Popstars trunk. Will there be an arrest?

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Speaker 2: What is going to happen this week? Also, there's been

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Speaker 2: these new allegations against the Alexander brothers by one of

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Speaker 2: the stars of Bravos Sirie Million Dollar Listing their real

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Speaker 2: estate show, major major bombs being dropped on that one. Also,

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Speaker 2: some new stunning testimony in the Corey Richand's case. You'll

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Speaker 2: remember she's the mom she's accused of poisoning her husband

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Speaker 2: with fentanyl. Also, it was Rob Reiner's birthday on Friday,

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Speaker 2: so we're going to be unpacking the latest on his

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Speaker 3: We have a lot to get through.

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Speaker 2: Because also where is Nancy Guthrie first and foremost? And also,

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Speaker 2: you know, a big thanks to all of our service

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Speaker 2: men and women who are doing so much on our

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Speaker 3: We're thinking of you.

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Speaker 2: So so much, for all of their families as well.

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Speaker 2: And listen, if you're new to the party, we're so

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Speaker 3: Welcome.

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Speaker 2: I'm Stephanie Leidecker and I head of KT Studios, where

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Speaker 2: we make true crime documentaries kind of like the ones

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Speaker 2: hopefully you've seen on Peacock, the Idaho student Murders and

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Speaker 2: Murder one oh one coming out on Amazon this fall.

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Speaker 2: And additionally we made podcasts like The piked and Massacre

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Speaker 2: and the Idaho Massacre. You'll recognize Courtney Armstrong's voice. She

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Speaker 3: So Courtney Armstrong my.

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Speaker 2: our great crime analyst. You'll remember her from Netflix's Don't

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Speaker 2: it out. Because ladies, it's International Ladies' Day?

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Speaker 3: Is it really? Yes? It is exactly so welcome to

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Speaker 4: Happy International Ladies' Day. I couldn't, you know, want to

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Speaker 5: Couldn't feel like more of a lady myself. But it's

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Speaker 5: probably the daylight savings talking. That's what our less sleep talking.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure. Yea, yeah, no, I don't like it. I

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Speaker 2: Are you feeling it at court? Do you feel like

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Speaker 5: No, I woke up so late, like later than the

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Speaker 5: also in La, it was about ninety seven degrees today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was hot. I'm in Vegas and it was hot.

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Speaker 4: It was very hot here today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, too hot? Or are you guys rubbing it in?

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Speaker 2: Well, we've had a listen a very busy news weekend,

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Speaker 6: Hey, True Crime tonight, Corey Nolan. Here a quick question

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Speaker 4: That is a good question. Does being a celebrity help

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Speaker 2: it's shocking that somebody who was capable of doing so

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Speaker 2: why has there not been more information? This cannot be

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Speaker 3: The person's rent, you know, David the pop star.

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Speaker 2: He was paying what twenty thousand dollars a month in

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Speaker 3: Farming or more.

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Speaker 5: Courtney, what are you gonna say? Yeah, so many interesting materials.

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Speaker 5: And listen, if you are just joining us, this is

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Speaker 5: Schuecrunt tonight. I'm Courtney Armstrong here as always with Body

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Speaker 5: Moven and Stephanie Leidecker, and we're talking about the six

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Speaker 5: month anniversary of finding Seles Revus Hernandez's body in David

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Speaker 5: the pop stars wrong. So we're just talking about these

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Speaker 5: really odd, incredibly suspicious things that were found at David

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Speaker 5: the pop Star's rented house, including the burn cage, as

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Speaker 5: you said, including farming equipment, chainsaw, just wildly suspicious.

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Speaker 4: Things that just don't belong in at a home in

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Speaker 2: Well, and again, people have chainsaws, for sure.

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Speaker 2: But keep in mind too, David the pop Star has

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Speaker 2: not been accused and he pleads not guilty. Do you

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Speaker 2: know how hard it is, remember to get a world tour?

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Speaker 2: He was on the Precipice. Oh yeah, if you don't

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Speaker 2: know his music, you were about to, you know, to

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Speaker 2: So much goes into that. To cancel a tour is

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Speaker 4: Not going to sing it, but it was like, well,

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Speaker 4: And dismembering, you know, a body is a crime, right

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: So jump in and join the conversation. So the Alexander brothers,

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Speaker 2: all three of these brothers are on trial for really

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Speaker 3: They claim their innocence.

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Speaker 2: But big new development one of the stars of the

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Speaker 3: Do you guys watch that show? I don't. Yes, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 5: I was back in the day with what is a

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's like a lot of like high end, like

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Speaker 3: Big, that's you know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, if you haven't been following it. So the

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Speaker 5: That's right, That's exactly right. Okay, because this just came

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Speaker 4: I mean that happens all the time.

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Speaker 4: It could be possible that that some people. So maybe

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Speaker 4: Is that maybe what's going on here? And like, you know,

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Speaker 3: You never know.

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Speaker 5: And Stephanie, you brought up Didty and and and part

437
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Speaker 5: of it could have been, you know, sex trafficking. They

438
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Speaker 5: both are facing the same Didty and the three brothers

439
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Speaker 5: and a lot of people picture sex trafficking as you know,

440
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Speaker 5: a woman being put in a cage and ship somewhere

441
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Speaker 5: potentially not to be glib about it at all. However,

442
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Speaker 5: in Ditty's case and in the Alexander case, it was

443
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Speaker 5: really money that was luring a lot of women. It

444
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Speaker 5: was the promise of hey, I can you know, introduce

445
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Speaker 5: you to people.

446
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Speaker 2: Hey, we're going to go to the biggest party inside. Yeah,

447
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Speaker 2: we have a private plane. So now I'm taking you

448
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Speaker 2: across state lines. Now we are trafficking. Once you cross

449
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Speaker 2: state lines, if you're a willing participant, whether you're just

450
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Speaker 2: a friend or somebody who wants to play and party

451
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Speaker 2: or you're a sex worker, regardless, once you cross state lines,

452
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Speaker 2: it changes things. And I think that's the part of

453
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Speaker 2: the Ditty conversation that made the trafficking air quotes maybe

454
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Speaker 2: harder to kind of wrap our brains around. What was

455
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Speaker 2: hard for me well understood. Well, now we're all seeing

456
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Speaker 2: Epstein files and there's talk of even scarier things in

457
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Speaker 2: trafficking with young adults and all these very big scary

458
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Speaker 2: pedophilia type words. Does that like lessen it a little

459
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Speaker 2: bit for jurors who are like, well, we're partying on

460
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Speaker 2: South Beach normalized got drugs and you know therefore, which

461
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Speaker 2: is scary to me because those lines, you know, bad

462
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Speaker 2: is bad. And again we're not talking sentencing, but if

463
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Speaker 2: what they are being charged with is true, it's really

464
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Speaker 2: abominable and really should be taken quite seriously. I fear

465
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Speaker 2: we're all getting a little fatigued and all of our

466
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Speaker 2: boundaries are being stretched emotionally and mentally, and you know,

467
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Speaker 2: people like can do bad things and maybe slip through

468
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Speaker 2: the cracks if in fact we're all sort of fatigued.

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Speaker 3: Such a good truth.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully we're not getting to a point in this country

471
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Speaker 4: where this kind of behavior is being normalized. Right, exactly,

472
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Speaker 4: all agree with that this is true crime. Tonight, we're

473
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Speaker 4: on iHeartRadio, I'm body Movin and I'm here with Courtney

474
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Speaker 4: Armstrong and Stephanie Leidecker, and we've been talking about the

475
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Speaker 4: jury deliberations in the Alexander Brothers trial. Well we're going

476
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Speaker 4: to shift focus a little bit in a minute, but

477
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Speaker 4: we want to hear from you. Give us a call

478
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Speaker 4: eighty eight thirty one Crime or hit us on the

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Speaker 4: talkbacks on the iHeartRadio ap and also with some guys.

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Speaker 4: We're on five nights a week and we take live calls,

481
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Speaker 4: So give us a call and you can catch us

482
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Speaker 4: on the podcast. Right after Courtney, What is else? What

483
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Speaker 4: else is going on?

484
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Speaker 3: What do you go?

485
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Speaker 5: There's a lot going on, including there's some new reporting

486
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Speaker 5: that shedding light on life behind bars for Nick Reiner.

487
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Speaker 5: Now we know this case. So Nick Reiner, of course,

488
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Speaker 5: is accused of killing his parents, beloved filmmaker Rob Reiner,

489
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Speaker 5: whose birthday was just Friday, as well as his equally

490
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Speaker 5: beloved wife, Michelle Singer Reiner. So Nick Reiner's thirty two

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Speaker 5: years old. He's currently being held in Los Angeles and

492
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Speaker 5: the County's Twin Towers Correctional Facility. And this is while

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Speaker 5: he awaits trial for that December twenty twenty five stabbing

494
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Speaker 5: deaths of his parents in their Brentwood home. You guys

495
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Speaker 5: might remember it happened. It was reported in the news

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Speaker 5: multiple times. The murders happened after a night where Conan

497
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Speaker 5: Nomban had had a party, and that Nick Reiner, the accused,

498
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Speaker 5: was seen acting deeply out of sorts. Well with his

499
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Speaker 5: life behind bars. Recent reports described really strict monitoring, mental

500
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Speaker 5: health safeguards and extraordinarily limited contact with the outside world.

501
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Speaker 5: And this all goes on while this high profile case

502
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Speaker 5: moves towards its next court hearing. Do you guys know

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Speaker 5: much about the Twin Towers Correctional Facility.

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Speaker 4: I've seen it. I've never been there personally, thankness. And

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Speaker 4: you know I've been in LA and whatnot. We grew

506
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Speaker 4: up there or whatever, but I've never been there.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's terrible. I think that's fair.

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Speaker 2: Again, I'm not not as this is not a personal experience,

510
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Speaker 2: but it is.

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Speaker 3: Known to be not the most comfortable spot in town.

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Speaker 5: That's right, And yes he is the facility where Nick

513
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Speaker 5: Rener is being held. It's long face criticism for overcrowding,

514
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Speaker 5: unsanitary conditions and mads report sleeping on urine soaked mattresses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a pretty gruesome, but not used.

516
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Speaker 2: The people that are there are a waiting trial, which

517
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Speaker 2: is a little different just for some parts in some cases,

518
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Speaker 2: like in his case, which is a different cult in

519
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Speaker 2: his case, right doesn't technically other people to point to.

520
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Speaker 2: But in some cases people are there and being held

521
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Speaker 2: without being found guilty. And if the conditions are awful,

522
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Speaker 2: how traumatic.

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Speaker 7: But if the mental health crisis right like in his

524
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Speaker 7: means in his a lot going on, it's got to

525
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Speaker 7: be pretty upsetting in dysregulating in some cases, right, like,

526
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Speaker 7: of course, and to your point, body, you know Nick Reiner,

527
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Speaker 7: he has a really well documented past of mental health

528
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Speaker 7: struggles as well as multiple It was i believe seventeen

529
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Speaker 7: times in and out of rehab for drugs would which

530
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Speaker 7: is a very common way to try and mask mental health,

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Speaker 7: disturbing you self.

532
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Speaker 4: Medicating because you're you know what I mean, and that

533
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Speaker 4: feels good. It makes you feel quote unquote normal, so

534
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Speaker 4: you keep doing it and next thing you know, you're an.

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Speaker 2: Act right yeah, or next thing you know, you're being

536
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Speaker 2: given medications because you've been diagnosed schizophrenic and bipolar, and

537
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: they're prescribing you medication that you may not like if

538
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Speaker 2: you're you know, not used to it, you're not comfortable.

539
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 2: In his case, reports say he was gaining a lot

540
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Speaker 2: of weight, so he wanted to change his medication and

541
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Speaker 2: maybe that plate a factor. But if you're in that scenario, yeah,

542
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Speaker 2: you want to supplement and perhaps us and that's a

543
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Speaker 2: way of.

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Speaker 3: Kind of self medicating.

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Speaker 2: But by the way he did, he's accused of killing

546
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Speaker 2: our beloved you know, Rob Reiner and his beloved wife.

547
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Speaker 2: So if that's true, he should do the time. Regardless

548
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Speaker 2: of the bad food I suppose it's a heartbreaking one.

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Speaker 3: This is a heartbreaking It really is heartbreaking.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, and Yiner, he's he's reportedly being housed in

551
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Speaker 5: a mental health observation unit, which makes sense based on

552
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Speaker 5: what we've been talking about. Inmates in that unit are

553
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Speaker 5: often checked by staff every fifteen minutes to monitor for

554
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Speaker 5: safety prevent self harm. And Nick Reiner in his first

555
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 5: court appearance was in a suicide jacket, suicide prevention jacket,

556
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Speaker 5: and then in his last court appearance was not. So

557
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Speaker 5: whatever that tells us about if he's being downgraded from

558
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Speaker 5: worries of self harm.

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Speaker 2: This is a tough one too for his you know,

560
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: beloved sister, you know who calls him her best friend

561
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Speaker 2: at one point, and his older brother like they probably

562
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Speaker 2: just love him and want better things for him. But

563
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Speaker 2: how do you reconcile that you, I don't know, they

564
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Speaker 2: have killed our parents and like it made me find them.

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Speaker 3: It's been resisted.

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Speaker 4: That that he's only had one visitor and it's his lawyer.

567
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Speaker 4: He hasn't come to see him or sir, right, I

568
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 4: mean I can't how hard to reconcile? Yeah, and apparently

569
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Speaker 4: she knew right away it was him too. You know,

570
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Speaker 4: with the police. She was like, my brother, you know,

571
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know how you would reconcile it.

572
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 4: I don't know what I would do in that situation.

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Speaker 4: On one hand, he's all you've got left right of

574
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Speaker 4: your family, and on the.

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Speaker 2: Right allegedly, allegedly, allegedly allegedly, yes, we will get that out.

576
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Speaker 2: He does claim his innocence or maybe there's some innocence

577
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Speaker 2: by insanity.

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Speaker 3: Who needs but.

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Speaker 4: I think if there's any case where that's maybe accurate,

580
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Speaker 4: it could be this one.

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Speaker 2: No one's running out to stand in his defense though,

582
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Speaker 2: that's for sure. We haven't seen much of any of that.

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Speaker 3: No, that's right.

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Speaker 5: And if you guys recall he initially had a really

585
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Speaker 5: high profile defense attorney, the same one who did Harvey

586
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Speaker 5: Weinstein Kevin Spacey, and then now he is being defended

587
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Speaker 5: by a public defender as in his family is not

588
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Speaker 5: for it.

589
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Speaker 3: Correctly, we left off.

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Speaker 4: Kroen wash M Karen Reid obviously right. She obviously one

591
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Speaker 4: of the most perfect lawyer and Karen Reid right, he is.

592
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,959
Speaker 4: Alan Jackson is a pretty good lawyer and it's you know,

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Speaker 4: a shame that he's not representing Nick right now and listen.

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Speaker 2: If you want to join the conversation, we absolutely want

595
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: to hear from you, eight at eight three one Crime.

596
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Speaker 3: You can call us live.

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Speaker 2: We're also here nightly, so you can catch us live

598
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Speaker 2: every night, or you could also catch us as a

599
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: podcast right after and you can always leave us a

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Speaker 2: talk back throughout the week and then we'll play it

601
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Speaker 2: on the show.

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Speaker 3: So welcome, Kfi and Corey Richins. Have you guys been

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Speaker 3: following This trial is heating up? Obviously? You know she's

604
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Speaker 3: been accused.

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Speaker 2: This is a wife who's been accused of poisoning her

606
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Speaker 2: husband with fentanyl. By the way, then she went and

607
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: wrote a book about grief for her three children. Now

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Speaker 2: she's been accused of killing the man that she wrote

609
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Speaker 2: the book to grieve about. A little twisted her boyfriend

610
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Speaker 2: of her boyfriend at the time of the murder took

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Speaker 2: the stand.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, who wants to catch up? Body? Can you

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Speaker 3: give us?

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Speaker 4: I won't want the scoop you've been watching watching this one.

615
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Speaker 4: I've been watching it every day. I have it on

616
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Speaker 4: in my little tablet at work when I'm doing my

617
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Speaker 4: little analysis of all the data, right.

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Speaker 2: I have it in my ear like the spread sheet

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Speaker 2: is yeah, spread body. Spreadsheets are like literally if if

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Speaker 2: you imagine her in like the Ocean's eleven trucks stop,

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Speaker 2: She's the one in the van in the finding the thief,

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Speaker 2: and there's like, oh my god, coming up on Street

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Speaker 2: three O they're making a right, like that's just go

624
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Speaker 2: work with calls me Garcia.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, criminal lines, yeah, because like and that's literally

626
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Speaker 4: what he calls me. My boss calls me cats of

627
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Speaker 4: all any I don't even think he knows my name anymore. Anyway.

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Speaker 4: So the trial of Corey Richins, it's entered its tenth

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Speaker 4: day tomorrow. It'll be entering its tenth day tomorrow. After

630
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Speaker 4: jurors last week for testimony about her alledged affair, all

631
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Speaker 4: her financial motives and the merital tensions before you know,

632
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Speaker 4: the twenty twenty two fentyl poisoning of her husband Eric.

633
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Speaker 4: Prosecutors are alleging that Corey secretly laced his Moscow mule

634
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Speaker 4: with fentanyl in March of twenty twenty two at their

635
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Speaker 4: home in Utah, and it was all motivated by financial

636
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Speaker 4: gain and this extramarital relationship. Who he's been from this week? Okay,

637
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Speaker 4: so Cory has pled not guilty, and her defense says

638
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Speaker 4: that the case relies largely on circumstantial evidence and disputed

639
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Speaker 4: witness testimony, and you know, quite I kind of agree

640
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Speaker 4: with them. This is largely circumstantial. But guess what a

641
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Speaker 4: lot of cases are not every case has the smoking gun,

642
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Speaker 4: the dripping blood on the knife, or DNA like.

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Speaker 5: It's the majority, and the majority are circumstantial cases. So

644
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Speaker 5: it does not diminish how strong it came.

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Speaker 2: But record scratch, the circumstantial evidence here is very big.

646
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Speaker 2: First of all, she presents like the perfect human, so

647
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Speaker 2: that's why it's so complicated and angry making. And again

648
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Speaker 2: she claims her innocence, but she was doing all kinds

649
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Speaker 2: of wacky financial things. Even her deceased husband was flagging

650
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Speaker 2: and red.

651
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Speaker 3: Flagging, right he did.

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Speaker 4: And you know, during the testimony there was some behavior

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Speaker 4: on her part that I kind of want to get into.

654
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 4: It's a little it's a little gossip, ye, but I

655
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 4: want to hear what you guys think. Okay, little Jodiarius.

656
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 4: It's a little Jodiarius. Yes, you know what that is.

657
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 4: I didn't even think about that until you said that.

658
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 4: But you're right, it's a little clipper.

659
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 3: Like she just didloss. She just did all of the makeover.

660
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 4: Right, We're gonna get court makeover, so the serious business first,

661
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 4: and then we'll get to the gossip.

662
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: Right.

663
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 4: So Day eight and day nine were last week Thursday

664
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 4: and Friday of the trial, and her ex boyfriend Robert

665
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 4: Grossman took the stand to testify about this extra marital

666
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 4: affair they were having. He testified that the romantic relationship

667
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 4: began in early of twenty twenty after he moved to

668
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 4: Utah for work and he was staying at a property

669
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 4: she was renovating because she had like this flip house

670
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 4: business types of thing.

671
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: Sure, so he told you was squatting fyf right, so

672
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: kind of like he was living permission, was giving him

673
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: some cash, right, and letting him have access to a car,

674
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: like she was supporting him in some ways, correct, Right.

675
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 4: So he told yours that they were in love and

676
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 4: that they were planning this trip together in April of

677
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. And remember her husband died, you know,

678
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 4: was murdered basically, you know, the prosecutors are alleging in

679
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 4: March of twenty twenty two. So I mean, you know,

680
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 4: right after he died, they were supposed to be going

681
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 4: on this vacation. Robert ultimately did end their relationship after

682
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 4: you know, Eric died. He said he felt overwhelmed with

683
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 4: guilt and sorrow for his wrongdoings and any infidelity because

684
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 4: you know, she was a married woman. Yeah, he was

685
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 4: very emotional. He was very distraught in his testimony. He

686
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 4: wiped away tears on the witness stand as prosecutors read

687
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 4: the text messages between him and Corey. And at one point,

688
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 4: this is where I'm going to get a little gossipy.

689
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 4: At one point he put his hand in his head

690
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 4: or his head like on his arms, like he was

691
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 4: kneeled down kind of thing. And Corey was just sitting

692
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 4: at the table like eating snacks like she was unfazed.

693
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she has, by the way, if you haven't

694
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: seen a visual of this, she has. She's beautiful and

695
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: she has like black hair. It's like tightly put into

696
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: like a little under little bun, kind of like a

697
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: bun giving us librarian in the courtroom. Right, So the

698
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: optics of this is very real. But imagine this is

699
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 2: the boyfriend that she was cheating on her now deceased

700
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: husband with giving testimony frankly against her. Whether he wants

701
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: to or not. The facts are not helping her period

702
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 2: the end period.

703
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 4: Right, So in some of the text messages, I'm gonna

704
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 4: go into those. In one exchange before Eric died, Corey

705
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 4: allegedly asked him if I was divorced right now and

706
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 4: ask you to marry you asked me, I'm sorry, I

707
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 4: cannot speak right now. If I was divorced to marry

708
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 4: me tomorrow, would you? And he responded yes, in love

709
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 4: with y oh you, of course I would. Another message

710
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 4: that was introduced was him or Corey texting her boyfriend

711
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 4: and it said if he could just go away and

712
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 4: you could just be here, life would be so perfect, referring,

713
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 4: of course, to her husband Eric's I mean, it sounds horrible,

714
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 4: as does every text being read in a court of law,

715
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 4: and by.

716
00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 3: The way, so true.

717
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: And this is again, she's not on trial for being

718
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: a bad wife. She's being She's on trial for murder

719
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: for slipping him fentanyl and a couple of probably more

720
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 2: sexy facts. Not only did he die of fentanyl poisoning,

721
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: her housekeeper or the person who cleaned her home testified

722
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: to like selling her pills and then actually connecting her

723
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: with somebody who sold her fentanyl. So that's damning. Who

724
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: has fentanyl? Lying around number one? Number two, he had

725
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 2: already said to friends that he felt like his wife

726
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: was trying to poison him because on Valentine's prior she

727
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: tried it and allegedly, allegedly, allegedly she already tried to

728
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: poison him and it didn't work. The pills were not

729
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: strong enough that she was buying from her housekeeper, so

730
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: she had to up the ante. So again, the affair,

731
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: she kind of is like context, right, it adds to

732
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: the instigating event. But she was like forsifying documents in

733
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: sign his name on fake life insurance policies that he

734
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: intentionally took her off of and put his estate under

735
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: his sister's name.

736
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 3: Remember that. So like, there's a.

737
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: Big picture here that is not great for cores period.

738
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 4: So this one's pretty in my in my opinion, this

739
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 4: one's pretty damning. So the boy, the ex boyfriend, Robert,

740
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 4: he had previously been in the US military and he

741
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 4: was an Iraq, okay, And she asked him after Eric died,

742
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 4: she asked him if quote, I'm gonna use quotes, if

743
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 4: I had ever killed anybody and how it made me feel?

744
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 4: And I thought that was very interesting for her to ask.

745
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 4: It's almost like she's trying to open up a little

746
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 4: bit about how she's feeling about possibly allegedly, allegedly allegedly

747
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 4: murdering her husband and trying to commiserate with him, like,

748
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 4: I've done it too, I know how it feels. Right.

749
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: Maybe she'll connect with me, you know, soon to be

750
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: in her mind husband or her current boyfriend fling because

751
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: maybe he had the same experience in Iraq. Maybe he

752
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: can relate to what she's going through, which is you know, remorse.

753
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that's in retrospect for him. It

754
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: sounded like a very weird conversation.

755
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 3: It did absolutely.

756
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 5: If you are just joining us, this is true crime

757
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 5: tonight and we're talking about the trial of Corey Richins,

758
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 5: who is alleged to have murdered her husband with fentanyl,

759
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 5: and we're talking about the past few days of trials,

760
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 5: specifically with the extramarital boyfriend Corey Richins was seen. So

761
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 5: I have to agree, body, yes, is it very strange

762
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 5: to say, hey, how did you feel if you ever

763
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 5: killed somebody? What I will say is that, you know,

764
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 5: context is key in everything true and the extra marital boyfriend.

765
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 5: He wanted to put that conversation into context, and he

766
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 5: at the time agreed with the defense attorney on cross

767
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 5: saying that yes, Corey Richands, the accused, she was grieving,

768
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 5: she was sad changed her after her husband died.

769
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: Doesn't change her opinion on her culp of bility, and.

770
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: It can be true. Both things can be true. And

771
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: he did also.

772
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 4: Say that it struck him as unusual that she asked

773
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 4: him that, though you know, testimony also indicated that they

774
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 4: Corey and Eric, the husband of course, who you know,

775
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 4: is no longer with us. They they saw a divorce attorney,

776
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 4: but at different times in the in the marriage, but

777
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 4: of course neither of them ever filed for divorce, which

778
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 4: is also interesting. Corey is on trial to Summit County

779
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: Courthouse on charges including aggravated murder and attempted criminal homicide. So, yeah,

780
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 4: I wanted to talk about some of the behavior that

781
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 4: I saw on camera. Okay, you know we talked already

782
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 4: about hit the hand, the head down or whatever. But

783
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 4: they were getting ready to take a break, all right,

784
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 4: and the witness, uh, the boy the ex boyfriend, uh

785
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 4: what's his name, rab sorry, Robert, Yes, he told the judge,

786
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 4: there's something I want to say.

787
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 3: What that's what in.

788
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 2: The whole place, like everybody leans in, like what Robert

789
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: has something to say the boyfriend of the accused of

790
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 2: her husband.

791
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 4: Now, for those who don't know, and I'm you know,

792
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 4: if you're just tuning in, you know this is a

793
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 4: true crime show. We or we know this, But for

794
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,959
Speaker 4: those who don't, you can't just say whatever you want

795
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 4: in court. You have to be asked a question and

796
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 4: you answer it succinctly yes, no, or or if you

797
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 4: if you're asked to expand on it, you do, but

798
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 4: you just don't.

799
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: It's not like a pulpit for you to just say

800
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: things right right, the same thing.

801
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 4: So the judge was like no, no, no, no no, But

802
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 4: it was I kind of got the impression, you guys,

803
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 4: that he is feeling a lot of internal guilt, like

804
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 4: maybe somehow he's responsible even though he's not. I also

805
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 4: kind of got the impression that he feels bad about

806
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 4: betraying Corey.

807
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 3: A little bit. Of course, what is shit.

808
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: This is the worst spot to be in. Can you

809
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: imagine you he loved her? They set it on the stand.

810
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: They had texts that they shared where she was basically

811
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: asking him like, this is like their dream relationship, if

812
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: only they could be together, and he was playing all

813
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 2: in and really loved her, So both things can be true,

814
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 2: like you could love this person and have a big

815
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 2: life planned with them in your mind. He also admitted

816
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: that it was maybe perhaps in their mind more than

817
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: in reality.

818
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: And then also.

819
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: Feel suspicious and yeah, worried everything in retrospect, like if

820
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: only we had the wisdom in any situation to be

821
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: able to line back on with the same info. Now

822
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: he's looking back and is Yeah, he's feeling all kinds

823
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 2: of things that must be very confusing.

824
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 4: Right, Well, I also got the impression that he was

825
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 4: like way more into her than she was into him.

826
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 3: Correct, she was just an impressioning him, it seems, yeah.

827
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 4: And I feel like now this poor kid, right, he's

828
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 4: going to be questioning every relationship that he has moving forward.

829
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: Well, he was with a woman.

830
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 2: He chose a woman who poisoned allegedly alleged allegedly twice.

831
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 3: On one time on Valentine's.

832
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 2: Our first time was on val So this one, if

833
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: this is true, this is a nut. Let's just call

834
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 2: it what it is. Right, Many people fall out of love.

835
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 2: Many people get divorced and separated. Many people have affairs.

836
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 2: Let's bench that. How about the fact that this one

837
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: was like talking to her like the woman who was

838
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 2: a housekeeper to her, using now as her drug dealer

839
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: for drugs, and then saying Michael not strong enough allegedly allegedly,

840
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: and then finding another person to get her more drugs ps.

841
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: She tries, according to testimony, to poison him with a

842
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: sandwich on Valentine's Day, allegedly. Then that doesn't really work effectively.

843
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: They have text messages of saying, I need stronger drugs.

844
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: Let's get Michael Jackson. Stuff up the ante a little bit.

845
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: Now she's buying fentanyl on the black market from god knows,

846
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: she's drugging her husband and has the nerve to go

847
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: on the Today's Show to press like publicity for the

848
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 2: book that she wrote for her beautiful three children. It's

849
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: a children's book about how to grieve the loss of

850
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: their father. We're talking about a complete psycho. So yeah,

851
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: this poor guy who's like, I thought she loved me,

852
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: she was married, he's like grieving the fact that he

853
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: got into bed she was a married woman. He shouldn't

854
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: have done that. But on top of that, he like

855
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: terrible judgment. This one presents differently.

856
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 4: She is also probably like thinking like did she kill

857
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 4: him for me to be yeah, me, Like, that's a

858
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 4: lot of guilt to carry. Also a guy you know,

859
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 4: I don't know, and.

860
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: It seems like it would be part of it.

861
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 5: And also let's not forget the poor guy, the victim

862
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 5: who died, Eric Richins, he was also living in fear.

863
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 5: If we can surmise that because on the Valentine's Day

864
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 5: poisoning he said, Hey, I think my wife, Corey Richins

865
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 5: did this to me.

866
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: That's the test. He had a sixth sense.

867
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: By the way, to anybody and all of us, we

868
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: should all trust our gut estimate if you think somebody's

869
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Speaker 2: poisoning you, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Living my life an opposite land. I'm doing opposite of

871
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Speaker 4: my gut because all of my life choices up until

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Speaker 4: this point.

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Speaker 2: Have been listen, No, we're evolving the gut. Our guts

874
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Speaker 2: are getting evolved because by dead by.

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Speaker 3: You know, like we have to evolve.

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Speaker 5: So if only, if only, well listen, stick around, because

877
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Speaker 5: at the top of the hour, investigators are looking into

878
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Speaker 5: a really strange Internet disturbance that happened the night that

879
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 5: Nancy Guthrie vanished. Also, yeah, there's a really surprising courtroom

880
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 5: twist in the Karen Reid case. And don't forget to

881
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Speaker 5: give us a call. We're at eight eight eight three

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Speaker 8: And I.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to true Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Lei Decker here

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Speaker 2: California audience. We're so happy you're here. Welcome to the

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Speaker 2: True Crime Show. We want to hear from you. So

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892
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Speaker 2: We're here live right now, or we're also live every

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Speaker 3: Body is raising her hands. She has ahead.

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Speaker 4: It occurs to me that maybe people don't know what

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Speaker 3: Well, let's do it.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it real quick. So basically, yeah, just what

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Speaker 4: you said, it's the true crime news of the day.

903
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Speaker 4: What happened in all the cases that we're following today. Right, Yes,

904
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Speaker 4: to talk about it five nights a week. This is

905
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Speaker 4: what happened, this is what's going on, this is where

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Speaker 4: the investigation is. This is what we think about it.

907
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Speaker 4: That's the spirit of the show, and the big spirit

908
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Speaker 4: of the show is the audience participation.

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Speaker 3: Right, it's a lot of talkbacks.

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Speaker 4: We want we want to know your thoughts because our

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Speaker 4: audience is very smart.

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Speaker 2: They are smarter, and they participate because sometimes these true cases,

913
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Speaker 2: these true crime cases, rather, we can unpack all kinds

914
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Speaker 2: of stuff. Right, It's relationships, it's what is right, families.

915
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Speaker 3: It's like we can kind of chew on it a

916
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Speaker 3: little bit in retrospect.

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Speaker 2: Right, So you know, everybody has an opinion, and the

918
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Speaker 2: world seems insane right now. So let's focus our attention

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Speaker 2: and try to find some justice and love it big

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Speaker 2: and small ways.

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Speaker 5: In big and small ways. I wanted to give one

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Speaker 5: shout out also to how excited we are to be

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Speaker 5: since this is, you know, our first tonight. I went

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Speaker 5: cashier they're friendly, friendly all the time, she said, what's

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Speaker 5: going on.

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Speaker 3: What's a big thing this weekend?

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Speaker 5: I said, well, true Crime tonight, we are premiering KFI.

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Speaker 5: And she gave flowers and.

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Speaker 3: Said she gave you a bouquet.

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Speaker 5: She gave me a bouquet of Trader Joe flowers for

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Speaker 5: free and said congrats, and I say good luck to

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Speaker 3: Yes, serious, that's huge. It's International Flowers Day for Women's Day.

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Speaker 2: Yes, come on and shoative yourself some flowers.

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Speaker 4: I got myself some potato chips. I like that.

938
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Speaker 2: Oh, I like that a lot for the office.

939
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Speaker 3: These are like TJ Max.

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Speaker 2: Flowers that they are like a little artificial, which I'm

941
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Speaker 2: kind of on the fence about. I know, old energy.

942
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Speaker 2: But there's some freaty. They're very pretty.

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Speaker 3: Some flowers as well. So we're doing a you received off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just because it was a beautiful day. So nothing

945
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Speaker 2: wait a minute related for work. Somebody just set you

946
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Speaker 2: flowers for no reason. Well, girl, say thinking of you. Yes,

947
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Speaker 2: looks beautiful roses. Stop it, that's so thoughtful.

948
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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm so happy for you. I'm not jealous at all.

949
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Speaker 3: But by the way, be buying myself the fake ones.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Twelve ninety nine at Okay, we'll run in. Listen, come on, listen,

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Speaker 3: let's go to a talk back.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Good morning true crime.

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Speaker 9: I know they've been tracking or tried to track Savanna's

956
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Speaker 9: mom with her pacemaker, But what are not the dogs

957
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Speaker 9: that they used to sniff things out? There's a lot

958
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Speaker 9: of area to cover and people can miss a lot,

959
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Speaker 9: but dogs usually get.

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Speaker 3: On the scent.

961
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Speaker 9: Right, have they done that?

962
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Speaker 3: Just a question. It's just horrible. Keep praying for her.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's such a good question, and yes, of course

964
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Speaker 4: they have.

965
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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: Do you guys remember I don't know if you remember this,

967
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Speaker 4: but there was a photo of like Nancy Guthrie's like

968
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Speaker 4: walkway and there was like this blue shirt and everyone

969
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Speaker 4: was like, where'd that blue shirt come from?

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Speaker 10: Who?

971
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Speaker 3: You know?

972
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Speaker 4: Who left the that's Nancy's shirt? They uh, dog the dogs.

973
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Speaker 4: They gave to the dogs a sniff, and the people, who, uh,

974
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Speaker 4: Here's what the sheriff said, that shirt was used by

975
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Speaker 4: us BP United States Border Patrol canine and was left behind.

976
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Speaker 4: Once we were notified, we retrieved it and verified it

977
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Speaker 4: was left by the United States Border Patrol.

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Speaker 3: So yes, they did use dogs, of course.

979
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Speaker 4: Like, such a good question. Because a lot of people

980
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Speaker 4: don't know. But yeah, they went house to house with

981
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Speaker 4: these dogs looking for that scent and didn't come up

982
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Speaker 4: with anything. And those dogs, those dogs of the world

983
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Speaker 4: is looking.

984
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Speaker 2: For Nancy, all the dogs, all the humans, all of us.

985
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Speaker 2: Know how manybody is looking for Nancy? Do you have

986
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Speaker 2: many mines in like caves and whatnot?

987
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Speaker 4: Or in Arizona?

988
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Speaker 3: I did some research.

989
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Speaker 4: My friend Steve, we went to dinner the other night

990
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Speaker 4: and he was like, he's all into this case, right,

991
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Speaker 4: and he's like, do you know how many mines are

992
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 4: in there? How many mind shafts? There's like four thousand mines.

993
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 3: Wait, what's a mind shaft? Underground?

994
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Speaker 4: And they live in Las Vegas. It's nearby. You know,

995
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Speaker 4: they were digging for gold and silver and copper, and

996
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 4: you know all the these mine shafts are all over

997
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Speaker 4: the place.

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Speaker 3: So listen.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not saying that's where she's at, but

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Speaker 4: you know, it is something that they're gonna have to

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Speaker 4: start looking at.

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Speaker 5: We appreciate the talk back so much, and if you're

1003
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Speaker 5: just kind of trying to reach for the case. This

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Speaker 5: is about, of course, eighty four year old Nancy Guthrie.

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Speaker 5: She's the mother of the Today Show anchor Savannah Guthrie,

1006
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Speaker 5: and she has been missing from her home since January

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Speaker 5: thirty first.

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Speaker 4: Right, she's the mom of the Today anchor, you know

1009
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Speaker 4: Today anchor the Today Savannah Savannah Lorri. And she's just

1010
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Speaker 4: a under a sweetheart, right. And you know, there was

1011
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 4: this really scary nest footage that was released by the

1012
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Speaker 4: FBI showing like a perpetrator basically mass He had a

1013
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Speaker 4: ballaclava on and these scary gloves and a jacket and

1014
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 4: you know, kind of banging on the door. Looked like

1015
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Speaker 4: he was getting ready to kind of you know, and

1016
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Speaker 4: then he had and when he went and grabbed some bushes,

1017
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Speaker 4: some flowers and covered the.

1018
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Speaker 3: Camera hide himself. He's very very strange.

1019
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 4: Well, the FBI is now looking at, you know, possible

1020
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Speaker 4: internet disruptions that happened in the neighborhood and other technical

1021
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 4: you know anomalies as part of the ongoing search for

1022
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Speaker 4: Nancy go Thrie.

1023
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Speaker 2: How are they not seen this earlier an internet outage? Well,

1024
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Speaker 2: here's the thing that's pretty major.

1025
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Speaker 4: We've all looked at this footage right from the nest camera.

1026
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Speaker 4: If you look in the front coat pocket, there looks

1027
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Speaker 4: like there's an antenna in there, and now it could

1028
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Speaker 4: be a walkie talkie because maybe there's like a driver, right,

1029
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 4: you know, or whatnot. But get this, a neighbor that

1030
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Speaker 4: lives behind Nancy, all right, he told Brian Enton, who

1031
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Speaker 4: we adore, right. He told Brian Entton that two of

1032
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Speaker 4: his ring cameras that are on the back side of

1033
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 4: his house were I went out of service during the

1034
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 4: timeframe that Nancy was basically abducted. And his dog started barking.

1035
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Speaker 4: But how are you saying about this just now?

1036
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 2: And that would imply whether the neighbor or somebody the

1037
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Speaker 2: you know, the intruder had some kind of a scrambler

1038
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Speaker 2: that would effect the Internet in the area, which is

1039
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Speaker 2: the scariest thought alive.

1040
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Speaker 1: Right.

1041
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 4: And they they're called signal jammers, right, is basically what

1042
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 4: they're called, right, And they're probing this possible Internet service disruption,

1043
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 4: you know, from the neighbor, and then you know they're

1044
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 4: going door to door asking other neighbors if it happened

1045
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 4: to them too. And a signal jammer is it's a

1046
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 4: little wireless thing with an antenna, you know, obviously, and

1047
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 4: it communicates using specific radio frequencies and usually on the

1048
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 4: same band that wireless communicates on, and it basically is

1049
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Speaker 4: a stronger signal to interrupt your internet service. But the

1050
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 4: thing is, we have the camera footge she was uploaded

1051
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 4: to something. So but by the way, we felt weird.

1052
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 4: Can we just discuss how weird that felt?

1053
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 2: Like, well, this is not really footage, just as footage

1054
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 2: that we obtained from a weird like cloud that we

1055
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 2: shouldn't have access to because Nancy Guthrie wasn't even paying

1056
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 2: for her Nest service, so we were catching it on

1057
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: the cloud someplace random. It seems like we should be

1058
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Speaker 2: able to solve this.

1059
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 3: Doesn't that feel strange? I mean, listen, how do you

1060
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 3: have that? And there was a scrambler?

1061
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 5: Well, multiple neighbors did confirm service interruptions and did report

1062
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 5: missing ring camera history to authorities.

1063
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Speaker 3: I agree that, Like.

1064
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Speaker 2: How we have the next info though, because it was

1065
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Speaker 2: an interruption.

1066
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Speaker 4: Maybe the jammer wasn't turned on until you know a

1067
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,959
Speaker 4: few seconds that he was like oh, and he turned

1068
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 4: the jammer on, and that's why we don't have How.

1069
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Speaker 2: Dumb is this, Like, well, it's also smart enough to

1070
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Speaker 2: get a jammer, but not smart enough to turn it on.

1071
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 4: I think it's actually got some weight to it. Listen,

1072
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 4: maybe here this is my theory. Is it possible? Is

1073
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 4: it possible he saw the camera was like, oh, turn

1074
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 4: the jammer on, and then when he's leaking, he's like,

1075
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna chance, I'm gonna take the camera. Rockcuse,

1076
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 4: I'm not chance on that the jam or even worked.

1077
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Speaker 3: I will give you.

1078
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: The taking the camera as he was exiting. That tracks

1079
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 2: for me. But we know that they're allegedly allegedly that

1080
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: there may be was some action beforehand. There has been

1081
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 2: reports that this was something that was being scouted and that.

1082
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 3: Nancy was being targeted. Likely she was.

1083
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 2: This is like an elderly, eighty four year old woman

1084
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Speaker 2: who is trying to steal Nancy Guthrie and not take

1085
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 2: anything from the home that they're stealing her from. If

1086
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 2: they're abducting her and it's completely random, why would they

1087
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Speaker 2: do that If it wasn't for money, you know they're

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00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 2: not going to what are they getting from it? There

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00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 2: was nothing obstructed in the house, nothing was taken. It

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Speaker 2: makes no sense because you are the house was beautiful.

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Speaker 2: That was like a beautiful sick house.

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Speaker 4: Right.

1093
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 2: So we've seen the aerials of this you know for

1094
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 2: so so long, So now this isn't totally track for me.

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00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 2: I don't think the nest footage makes sense to me.

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Speaker 2: I guess if we're looking at a scrambler at the

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Speaker 2: exact same time.

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Speaker 4: At the exact same time, we're the investigators are looking

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Speaker 4: into that, and the Peen mcconaugh's, Pemac County Sheriff's Office

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Speaker 4: and the FBI is continuing the investigation. This is true

1101
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 4: crime Tonight on iHeartRadio, we're talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 4: I'm body. I'm here with Stephen court and we were

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00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 4: right in the middle of doing the Nancy Guthrie update.

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Speaker 4: But Courtney, I understand you have an update on Party Mom.

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00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 3: Oh, the party is still This has been long going.

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00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 5: So Shannon O'Connor, she's fifty one years old, she's from

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Speaker 5: Los Gatos, California, and a body, as you mentioned, is

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Speaker 5: aka party Mom. Well, Party Mom was convicted last week

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00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 5: on almost all of the sixty three charges that she

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00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 5: was facing. So if you recall, the prosecutors have argued

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00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 5: successfully as we see that party Mom hosted alcohol field

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Speaker 5: parties and sexually abused miners. And this is between the

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00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 5: time of twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one, and it

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Speaker 5: involved about twenty victims over the course of that time.

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00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 5: So again, the conviction just came down and the judge

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00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 5: now has to consider sentencing, and the judge is considering

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Speaker 5: aggravated factors including victim vulnerability, abuse of parental trust, and

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Speaker 5: deliberate contact. Sentencing that won't be until March twenty six.

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00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 5: But Shannon O'Connor, she faces up to thirty years in prison.

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Speaker 5: And might I say, rightfully, so these parties if you

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Speaker 5: guys remember the case. These parties were held primarily during

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00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 5: the early days of COVID between twenty twenty and twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty one, and that was such a specific moment in time,

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Speaker 5: it really was.

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Speaker 3: And if you think about.

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Speaker 5: It, a lot of people had sort of their pods.

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Speaker 5: And if this mother was an entrusted person, what.

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Speaker 2: Is psycho If this is true, this is like a

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Speaker 2: real sicko chick period.

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Speaker 3: Well listen, the jury says it is, so I'll go

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Speaker 3: ahead and agree. She's convicted. That is, she is convicted

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Speaker 3: of throwing these parties. And it gets stranger.

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Speaker 5: She was encouraging the teens to consume alcohol, engage in

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Speaker 5: sexual acts and as well. It was sort of controlling

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Speaker 5: aspects of their social lives.

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Speaker 3: Right, That's what I was just going to ask you.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't she the one that was like it, snapchatting all

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00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 4: the kids and getting involved, like why are you talking

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Speaker 4: to that person?

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Speaker 2: And she was like, and they're like social nonsense, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like their high school stuff, which you know, any.

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Speaker 3: Mother's price to stay out of.

1143
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: Right now, she's embedding herself in it.

1144
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Speaker 4: It reminds me of the mean girl's mom, or was

1145
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 4: it the clueless mom?

1146
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 2: I can't remember mean girls girls girls actress?

1147
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 3: What was her name? The what is the acta? Am

1148
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 3: not Polar?

1149
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 2: Amy Sedaris has the hit podcast, the number one podcast

1150
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Speaker 2: in all of the lamb Amy Polar.

1151
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 3: I wasted.

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01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 5: She was like that, except the teen victims in this case.

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01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 3: So this realized.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, there's no dig on Amy Polar. No, I love her, please,

1155
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: you have no association. By the way, separate Amy Polar

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Speaker 2: from this box.

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Speaker 3: On your house for thinking that I love her.

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Speaker 5: Yes, but yeah, Shannon O'Connor, this was It was child endangerment.

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01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 5: It was sexual battery. It was furnishing alcohols and kind

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01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 5: of pushing and pressuring some impressionables into rooms.

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Speaker 3: For sexual abuse.

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Speaker 4: She was like getting them drunk or inebriated in some

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01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 4: cases or ways, and keept telling them to get undressed

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01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 4: and throwing them in rooms together. Didn't One girl almost

1165
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 4: drown in a jacuzzie.

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01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 3: That's fast.

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01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 2: She got a concussion or something, and there was We

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01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 2: covered this a while ago.

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Speaker 3: This one's a real nut. If what ah, it is true?

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Speaker 3: So I guess yeah, No, the jury found her guilty.

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Speaker 5: And I mean there were twelve, yeah, twelve juvenile girls

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Speaker 5: they testified under Jane Doe. Eight boys they testified under

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01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 5: John Doe, and they were all victims and this was

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Speaker 5: found the investigators. Listen, they did a solid job and

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Speaker 5: they were reviewed literal terabytes of material. It was videos,

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01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 5: it was social media posts, it was jail coles and

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Speaker 5: phone records.

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Speaker 3: Well, can we.

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Speaker 4: Talk about how brave the kids were for.

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Speaker 2: Testimonies, And by the way, thank god they did, because

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01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 2: otherwise they would be carrying this around for the rest

1182
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 2: of their lives privately, which you know, we know, we

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01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 2: cover so many cases like this that would impact so

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01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 2: many decisions in their world and who they choose to love.

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Speaker 2: I'm so grateful that they all at least came forward

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Speaker 2: for each other also to.

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Speaker 3: Be brave that.

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01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're very impressive kids, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: Fact.

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Speaker 4: Wow, poor, poor, poor guys and girls, I guess I

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Speaker 4: should say.

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Speaker 3: And listen.

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Speaker 4: Coming up, there's new evidence and it's kind of unusual

1194
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 4: involving Jeffrey Epstein's prison guard, and it's raising troubling questions

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Speaker 4: about the night he died.

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Speaker 3: I mean, can we get.

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Speaker 4: Any more obvious here? I feel like, Plus, there's new

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Speaker 4: developments in the Karen reedcase. Karen Reed case, what involving

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Speaker 4: the death of the Boston police officer John O'Keefe. Keep

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Speaker 4: it right here, True Crime Tonight, We're talking true crime

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01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 4: all the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. We're so glad that you're

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01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 2: with us right now. I'm Steph here with Courtney and body. Hey,

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01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 2: we'd love to hear from you. Eight eight eight three

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01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 2: one crime. So much going on in the world right now,

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Speaker 2: So we're so glad to be saving some space with

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Speaker 2: you in this exact moment. So yeah, tell us your thoughts,

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01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 2: talk Courtney, where should we go next? There's so much

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Speaker 2: going on right now.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot, but Karen Reid is back in the news.

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01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 5: So no, can't stop.

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Speaker 4: Stop and staff are obsessed with Karen Read.

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Speaker 3: I am who's her number? Is what Boddy says.

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Speaker 5: Yes, well, guess what this is in the news and

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01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 5: news news trumps that's so that's true. Yeah, so Karen

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Speaker 5: reads she is the Massachusetts woman.

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Speaker 11: She was.

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Speaker 5: She was tried not once, but twice for the death

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Speaker 5: of her boyfriend, Boston officer John O'Keefe. And that was

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01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 5: back in twenty twenty two when he died. Now, if

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01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 5: you recalled John O'Keefe, he was found deceeized outside of

1223
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Speaker 5: a Canton home that belonged to a bunch of his

1224
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 5: fellow police officers. And this was after a big night

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Speaker 5: of drinking. So what the prosecutor's allege is that Karen

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01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 5: Reid hit him with her car left him to die

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Speaker 5: at the end of this homes driveway. Meanwhile, Karen Defens's alleges,

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01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 5: Karen Defense's alleged excuse me that the friends at the

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01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 5: scene colluded with police to frame her. Again, everyone in

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Speaker 5: the house was police officers. So she has been found

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01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 5: not guilty.

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Speaker 3: But by the way, like that actually a little bit

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01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 3: tracks dare I say, oh what the jury found. Yes, yes, so.

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01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 2: Like there was like the he was a cop who

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01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 2: died amongst cops, and it seems like there was a

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Speaker 2: bit of a very real cover up which costs Karen

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01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 2: Reid a lot of time and money.

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Speaker 3: That's right, it sorted.

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Speaker 5: The investigation was I mean, deplorable is the word that

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01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 5: I come with. It was police officers not getting conveniently,

1241
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 5: not getting ring camera footage of everyone around the house.

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01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 5: It was John O'Keefe, the victim, dying one way or

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Speaker 5: the other in a snowbank at the end of a driveway,

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01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 5: and when police came there to find him deceased, the

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01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 5: owner of the house and the MPTN officer did not

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01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 5: come out.

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01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 3: I mean that's major. That is their job is to

1248
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Speaker 3: go out.

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Speaker 2: Imagine your best friend who's revely is at your house

1250
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 2: that you've been partying with them all night and they

1251
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 2: die and you don't go to the herb to check

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01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 2: out the scene.

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Speaker 3: Correct, So that is an iDeer a cop. That's correct.

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Speaker 3: So I think the jury got it right.

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Speaker 5: But now missbody movin the O'Keefe family, the victim's family,

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Speaker 5: they're suing Karen reads Civilly for wrongful death and emotional

1257
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 5: distress because remember their civil trials and there are criminal trials,

1258
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Speaker 5: and like O. J.

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Speaker 3: Simpson is a great example, yes, perfect example.

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Speaker 4: Right. Yes, he was found not guilty of murder, right,

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01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 4: not guilty to pay for financial Goldmen right? And then

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01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 4: Ron Goldman's family right, they suit him civilly for wrongful

1263
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 4: death and he was found guilty.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right.

1265
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Speaker 5: So what happened is the victim's family, the o'keefs, they

1266
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 5: were fighting for access to Karen Reid's to cell phones. Now,

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Speaker 5: these cell phones have been held for literal years as

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01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 5: potential evidence, and just a couple of weeks ago, the

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01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 5: o'keefes filed an emergency motion. They asked the court to

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Speaker 5: prevent Karen Reid from getting her phone back until they

1271
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Speaker 5: could review them first. Okay, so here's the important part.

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Speaker 5: The motion from the from the O'Keefe's the victim's family,

1273
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,959
Speaker 5: included a quote from a secretly recorded call in which

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Speaker 5: Karen Reid was ledged to have said, quote, I'm dead.

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Speaker 5: I'm effing dead. Do you have any clue what's on

1276
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Speaker 5: that phone? The O'Keeffe family's attorneys argued that this showed

1277
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Speaker 5: Karen Reid might destroy evidence. However, it turns out that

1278
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Speaker 5: that quote was not accurate, and in fact, in open court,

1279
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Speaker 5: the O'Keefe's family attorney had to acknowledge that he had

1280
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Speaker 5: misquoted Karen Reid. He apologized, saying that he was mistaken

1281
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Speaker 5: and had misinterpreted Karen Reid's words.

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Speaker 2: That's another pretty tough one because mom, you know, like

1283
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Speaker 2: his mom. I mean, look, she lost her son and

1284
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Speaker 2: there's no love loss between you know, his mom and

1285
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Speaker 2: Karen Reid. That is not such a great relationship, right,

1286
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 2: So that's devastating.

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Speaker 4: They're pretty convinced Karen's responsible, yeah, the death of their son, right, they.

1288
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Speaker 3: Are absolutely convinced as everything.

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Speaker 5: As his body, as his body's pointing to herself and mouthing.

1290
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Speaker 3: So both things can be true too.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, based on the avidence that was presented

1292
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Speaker 2: that is, I don't think she could have been convicted period.

1293
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Speaker 2: And by the way, because of the buds, because of

1294
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 2: the messy buddies that were cops that kind frankly, and

1295
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 2: whether she did it or didn't do it, it was

1296
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Speaker 2: completely messed up by the buddies in the house. That

1297
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 2: kind of botched up the investigation, which put the whole

1298
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Speaker 2: thing in question. So that's the real bummer. If she

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Speaker 2: didn't do it, you know, they can think of all

1300
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Speaker 2: of the buds that were there that night.

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Speaker 4: Oh, she can still be found civilly responsible.

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Speaker 3: True. Absolutely, yeah.

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Speaker 4: So listen, this is crime tonight. We're on iHeartRadio. We're

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Speaker 4: talking true crime all the time. I'm body and I'm

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Speaker 4: here with Courtney Armstrong and Stephanie Leidecker. I'm right in

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Speaker 4: the middle of talking about Karen Reid again, right again,

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Speaker 4: but right now we're gonna shift to Stephanie's favorite subject,

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Speaker 4: Jeffrey Ebstein.

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Speaker 3: Courtney, what's going on? I heard about this? This is

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Speaker 3: going on prison guard, right, it's the prison guard. My

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Speaker 3: mom and I couldn't hear the enough of talking about this.

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Speaker 3: So listen.

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Speaker 5: There's been newly released DOJ Department of Justice documents, and listen.

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Speaker 5: These are raising fresh fresh questions about the death of

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Speaker 5: convicted sex fender Jeffrey Epstein. Now Jeffrey Epstein, if you recall,

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Speaker 5: he died inside a federal jail in New York in

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Speaker 5: August of twenty nineteen while he was awaiting trial for

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Speaker 5: sex trafficking and This has now laid bare to the

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Speaker 5: Epstein Transparency and Act of Congress to released the files.

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Speaker 3: It's been in the news quite a bit.

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Speaker 5: There are many people from the top down, leaders of

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Speaker 5: the world on every consonant involved in these files. What

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Speaker 5: we're talking about now was the guard who was guarding

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Speaker 5: Jeffrey Epstein before he died, and it turns out that

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Speaker 5: she was. She searched Jeffrey Epstein's name online literal minutes

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Speaker 5: before his body was discovered.

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Speaker 3: Seems odd.

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Speaker 5: This same guard also made thousands of dollars and yet

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Speaker 5: unexplained cash deposits in the days leading up to Jeffrey

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Speaker 5: Epstein's death. So, yeah, what, there's more details, But what

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Speaker 5: are you guys? No more details like money?

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Speaker 2: Pause for a second. Yeah, let's just do a quick pause. Yes,

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Speaker 2: remember the circumstances of Jeffrey Epstein's suicide. So he's awaiting trial,

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Speaker 2: a federal trial, so nothing to shake a stay at. Remember,

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Speaker 2: he had already escaped a federal trial back in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and eight, two thousand and nine when he got

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Speaker 2: that sweetheart deal by Alex Acosta in southern Florida. So

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Speaker 2: parking that for a second. Here he is in pretty

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Speaker 2: like lame conditions that you know that prison MOC is

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Speaker 2: not considered comfortable, so he's in very lousy conditions. We're

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Speaker 2: told that it's very typical for high profile inmates to

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Speaker 2: have you know, guards checking on them every thirty minutes.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of the protocol. So on this one.

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Speaker 2: Particular night, sure, Yeah, and like this is as who

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Speaker 2: high profile as it got at that time, not because

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Speaker 2: he was a rock star or a movie star, but

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Speaker 2: because what his testimony could include was a lot of

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Speaker 2: really high profile people, right, so political figures, advocates, people

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Speaker 2: in the banking industry, people that.

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Speaker 3: Were influencing entertainment, and.

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01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 2: Sigma like I couldn't be larger in who he could

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Speaker 2: potentially bring down. So his suicide has now been under

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Speaker 2: assault because we've talked to so Joseph Scott Morgan, our

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Speaker 2: forensics expert, and many others who have said, like, if

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Speaker 2: the autopsy just doesn't add up, Obviously, the gossip on

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Speaker 2: the street, the like Reddit gossip is that, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: Epstein's still alive. However, what we know is that what

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Speaker 2: Pam Bondy shared with us, the head of the DOJ

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Speaker 2: at the time and currently at this time, saying that

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Speaker 2: it was handled perfectly. There's nothing really to see there.

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Speaker 2: It was a suicide, no big deal. If you go

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Speaker 2: back in time. The head of the DOJ was Bill

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Speaker 2: Barr at the time, right, so he was the one

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Speaker 2: that was sort of heading up that investigation. And that's

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Speaker 2: kind of complicated because the autopsy potentially according to people

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Speaker 2: smarter than certainly me that have said it doesn't really

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Speaker 2: add up.

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Speaker 3: But there was this weird missing moment, this minute.

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Speaker 2: Remember that's where Pam Bondi came in, and she came

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Speaker 2: out basically saying that this particular minute that was missing,

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Speaker 2: which just happened to be the minute that Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 2: took his life. Allegedly, that missing minute is really standard

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01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 2: stuff in prisons, or particularly in this prison. Every day

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Speaker 2: one minute or so disappears. And then we find out

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Speaker 2: that that's totally untrue and that actually three minutes was missing.

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Speaker 3: That totally is the thing. And then they came out

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Speaker 3: and said, actually.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing really to see here. We promise we really

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01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 2: looked into it. There's no list, there's no files, none

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Speaker 2: of this exists.

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Speaker 3: We've all reviewed it, and there's nothing there, nothing to see.

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Speaker 2: It turns out, there's stuff that is very there and

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01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 2: if we look at the autopsy as one of the

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01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 2: initial examples of potential dishonesty. Pam Bondi will go on

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01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 2: for the going in front of the House Oversight Committee

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01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:00,560
Speaker 2: this week to testify why so much of the Epstein

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01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 2: release has been really messy. Yeah, it's happening this week,

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01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 2: and why the slow drip, Why are we getting new

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01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 2: information just quite randomly? Remember, since the war has started

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Speaker 2: in Iran, the searches for EPSTEIN has been down ninety

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Speaker 2: eight percent. Yeah, that's a staggering number. Again, not saying

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01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 2: they're connected, but just a reminder. Ninety eight percent is

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Speaker 2: what is being tracked as the decrease in Emstein chatter.

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Speaker 3: So what does that mean?

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01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 2: Now we're hearing the guard who was accused of Initially

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Speaker 2: they were napping, That's why the car because they were asleep.

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Speaker 3: They were asleep.

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Speaker 2: Then they were like, well they weren't asleep, but there's

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01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 2: like a missing minute, but it wasn't really missing. And

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Speaker 2: now this particular guard is like checking out Google before

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Speaker 2: discovering a suicide victim.

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Speaker 3: Why would you the person before they committed suicide?

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Speaker 5: Right, And in addition to the five thousand dollars of

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01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 5: cash that the correctional office. Her name is Tova Noel.

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01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 5: That happened ten days before Jeffrey Epstein's death. There were

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Speaker 5: also other unexplained deposits totally nearly twelve thousand dollars in

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Speaker 5: the months leading up to it. That's a lot of

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Speaker 5: cash dollars.

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Speaker 3: A pretty quick answer to where it came from.

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Speaker 2: And we know that Jeffrey Epstein was the king of

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01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 2: paying people off, right, So remember, and again, this is

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Speaker 2: not a political conversation. We're just looking at the facts here,

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01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 2: but we are looking at the facts that are affecting

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01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 2: us in the bottom line real time. It's affecting my

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01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 2: financial taxes, right It's affecting all of our taxes. It's

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Speaker 2: affecting how we're seeing.

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Speaker 3: The world right now.

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Speaker 2: Some of the people that are being named in this

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Speaker 2: conversation are affecting our every day.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: We're sending our kids to follow the orders of all that.

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Speaker 3: To be said, how do we rain this in?

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Speaker 2: How do we keep attention someplace while there's so much

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Speaker 2: else going on? And I don't know the answer to that,

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01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:05,839
Speaker 2: but I read articles like this of the security officer

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01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 2: coming out to say that they were googling and doing

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Speaker 2: online shopping and actually googling Jeffrey Epstein's name prior to

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Speaker 2: him being discovered dead by suicide before minutes prior. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't add up Bill Barr, who was the person overseeing

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Speaker 2: the suicide investigation. His father, Donald Barr, was the teacher

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Speaker 2: and the head of the school that hired Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 2: initially in Dalton.

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Speaker 3: The high school back in New York City, and that

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01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 3: gave him his start, right that was the.

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Speaker 2: Start to how he entered the social life in New

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Speaker 2: York City. He got a job as a math teacher

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Speaker 2: at a high school with literally no college education in

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Speaker 2: nothing to make him considered a great catch in the

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Speaker 2: mathematics department at a high profile New York City socialite

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01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 2: school for high schoolers. That's where his like tier one

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01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 2: access to girls started. So that's Donald Barr. I'm not

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01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 2: making it an accusation here, but I do think it's

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01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 2: a it's an interesting lot.

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01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 4: Of interesting parallels, like interesting parallel to red strings.

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01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 3: Let's say, right, you.

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01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 2: Can't trust this that the suicide was not really a suicide,

1447
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 2: and that's great trouble.

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01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 4: Table that's at the table for all of this, right,

1449
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:20,719
Speaker 4: for all of.

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01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 2: This, and every time we look closer, it gets worse,

1451
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 2: and every time we look closer, something else happens so

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01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 2: that we can't look further. And I worry for that

1453
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 2: because as victims are coming forward and justice was so

1454
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 2: close to being you know, we've had victims on our show, survivors,

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01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 2: I should say, not even victims, so many on our show,

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01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 2: and it feels like we're always at the precipice to

1457
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 2: like finding real action. We're seeing some real action happening

1458
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 2: throughout the world, and accountability we are really just not

1459
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 2: seeing it here.

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01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 3: That's true.

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01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 4: And you know, it's just it's a shame because they've

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01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 4: been wanting their voices to be heard for so long,

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Speaker 4: right decades. Yeah, and it's make it makes sense, Make

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01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 4: it makes sense. Yeah, while we really want you to

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01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 4: stick around, We've got a lot more to talk about.

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01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 4: We've been getting a lot of talkbacks from listeners and

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01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 4: now it's your turn to be a part of the

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01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 4: show as we respond to what you're saying, and it's

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01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 4: all very smart.

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Speaker 3: Keep it right here. True Crime Tonight. We're talking true

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Speaker 3: crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Lei Decker here

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01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong and body movin.

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Speaker 3: By the way, we have producer Taha.

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Speaker 2: And Sam and Adam in the control room, our engineers

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Speaker 2: at iHeart who are standing by for your call or

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Speaker 2: your talkback, so keep them coming.

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Speaker 3: In fact, let's go to one right now.

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Speaker 8: Hi, ladies and gentlemen, this is when that's from LA.

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Speaker 8: I just want to you to know that I have

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Speaker 8: been a fan since the piked In massacres, and I've

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01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 8: excited to hear the Idaho massacre and then imagine my

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01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 8: joy when I found out you guys were doing through

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01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 8: crime tonight. Been a fan from the get go. Love

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01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 8: you guys and love to figure out how do I

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Speaker 8: get one of those sweatshirts?

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Speaker 2: Is well flattery to get you everywhere obviously in the world.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're right, that's so great. So you've been

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Speaker 4: a fan for a long time. That's the Katie Studios

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Speaker 4: that did you know the piked In massacre and Idaho masacre.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome. Yeah, started back in twenty twenty, so you've

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Speaker 3: been listening for a while.

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Speaker 10: And just get you a sweat everyone in on Pikedon

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Speaker 10: who may not be aware, like if there's some new

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Speaker 10: listeners out there, just.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 5: The Pikedon massacre is it's a really incredulous story that

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Speaker 5: Kat Studios has been following for many years. And briefly

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Speaker 5: a members of one family were murdered across four different

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Speaker 5: homes in one night, and then we followed the case

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Speaker 5: from when we didn't know who was in suspect to

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Speaker 5: the members of four family members who lived in the

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Speaker 5: same very small town being arrested for the crimes and

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Speaker 5: put on trial. Three of the members have had their

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Speaker 5: trials and we are waiting the fourth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this story still continues, and think about it. From

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty so seven Rodin family members and one Gilly

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Speaker 2: family member, Hannah Gilly and one of the Rodent boys,

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Speaker 2: Frankie Roden. They were due to be married, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: we kind of set out to disprove that the Wagner

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Speaker 2: family were really involved.

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Speaker 3: That was the early days of the podcast.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, if you've listened, Courtney is the

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Speaker 2: narrator of this podcast.

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01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 3: And has the greatest voice of all time.

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01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really like a passion project and something that

1518
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 2: we take really seriously here, there's one more trial to

1519
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 2: still come, ye, and we're so grateful that you've been

1520
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 2: listening since day one. Hopefully wait, we just can pray

1521
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 2: that the Rodent family and the Gilly family finally have

1522
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 2: their moment of you know, peace and at least social justice.

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01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 4: Yeah and justice, right, yeah, yeah, So thank you for

1524
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 4: that talkback.

1525
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:23,560
Speaker 3: Thank you.

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01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 4: We do appreciate it, and we don't we hope you'll

1527
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 4: leave some more talkbacks.

1528
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 3: Please do another one.

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Speaker 11: Okay, So this is Alicia from Mississippi and to quote

1530
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:35,759
Speaker 11: you guys, it's like you're literally in my head body.

1531
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 8: I actually added a three D prinner to my cart.

1532
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:39,560
Speaker 11: The other night, and I just was waiting for a

1533
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 11: check to hit because my hands need a break. They

1534
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 11: are so tired from all the clay and sculpting these

1535
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:46,799
Speaker 11: tiny little pieces. And yes, I do love wind chimes.

1536
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 11: My daughter even has her own personal wind chime because

1537
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 11: she loves them to I find them so relaxing. I'm

1538
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 11: currently putting together a person for my mom and it's

1539
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 11: so calming to listen to while the needle stabs my

1540
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:58,520
Speaker 11: finger repeatedly.

1541
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 4: I got a resin printer. I hope you got a

1542
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 4: resin printer, because the resin printers are able to do

1543
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 4: really tiny miniatures. And you know, if you guys remember

1544
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 4: Alicia called last week and she left a great talk back,

1545
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 4: but she told us a little bit about herself and

1546
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 4: she makes little D and D dungeons and dragon figurines

1547
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 4: right cute. And I was like.

1548
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:23,759
Speaker 3: Oh, they're so cute.

1549
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 4: And you know, I started talking about, you know, my

1550
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 4: three D printer and stuff like that, and the resin

1551
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 4: printers are able to do the really small detail. So

1552
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 4: hopefully you haven't bought it yet, and you are, you know,

1553
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,759
Speaker 4: looking at resin printers, not the you know, plastic printers,

1554
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 4: but they're all good, but the little resin printers is

1555
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 4: what you want.

1556
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 2: You kind to me right now, honestly, like, none of

1557
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 2: that makes it stresses me out that I don't understand

1558
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 2: a three D printing thing. By the way, in my

1559
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 2: head I was like, oh, you should get a thumb tack.

1560
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 2: We don't want your fingers bleeding. But that's not going

1561
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 2: to help in the three D printing.

1562
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 3: No, I don't think that's some tax helping any situation.

1563
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 3: What do you we know when you sow it's been.

1564
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 2: The bar that you put put a little hat on

1565
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 2: your fimble thank you to from like nineteen ten.

1566
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:18,679
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, a little. Hearkened back to the old.

1567
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 5: Engaged Stephanie and I are if you are just joining

1568
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 5: learning about the three of us.

1569
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 3: Stephanie and I are pretty analog.

1570
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 5: And Bobby move in could not be more technologically advanced,

1571
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 5: and she is able to break down.

1572
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 3: He's the one.

1573
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 2: Should we all be canceling chat GPT? We've deleted that

1574
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:37,879
Speaker 2: from our phones.

1575
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 3: That is the question. What do you think?

1576
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, bigger question, bigger, Yeah, we unpack

1577
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 2: it next week. Yeah, concerned about my privacy, let's talk

1578
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 2: about it this week. Well, we'll unpack that and get

1579
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 2: some real tips about how to keep ourselves secure and safe.

1580
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, Adam his head, he agrees, he thinks, So Adam

1581
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 4: in the control. I'm going to delete okay from his life?

1582
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,560
Speaker 10: Did I signed up for one of the other competitive

1583
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 10: companies already? I haven't deleted yet, but.

1584
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 3: Your privacy is sure to be safe there. I'm on,

1585
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:15,599
Speaker 3: Have you guys used? Is not anything disparaging? Clear? Please

1586
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 3: do not like flag me? But I have at the airport? Clear?

1587
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 3: Do you guys have to they like look at your eyes, right,

1588
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 3: I will use the TSA.

1589
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 10: Now it don't reapproved, but it's because it's in that

1590
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 10: similar air area.

1591
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 2: For some reason, my TSA never shows up, but my

1592
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 2: clear always does. And now I'm doing a deep dive

1593
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 2: on what that is.

1594
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,640
Speaker 10: Well, I think it's just but I do find that

1595
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 10: fascinating now when you walk to the airport, like you

1596
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 10: almost don't even have to clear customs, Like it's all

1597
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 10: like they just look at your face and you just

1598
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 10: keep walking through that.

1599
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 3: It's just amazing. Government shut down and.

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01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 12: Yeah, the.

1601
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 10: Travel in like really, yeah, it's gotten lax in particular.

1602
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 10: I shouldn't say this for every airport, but in LA.

1603
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:56,440
Speaker 4: When did that start?

1604
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 10: Oh my gosh, I think it was.

1605
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 4: It's been going on for a lo well, because I

1606
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,679
Speaker 4: when I came home from Malaysia, when I was filming

1607
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 4: the Mole, I came home, I had to get through

1608
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 4: I had to go through customs in LA and I

1609
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:09,640
Speaker 4: was there for like three hours.

1610
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's definitely progressed in the last I want to

1611
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:13,879
Speaker 10: say two years maybe, okay.

1612
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:17,480
Speaker 3: Because I was twenty twenty three. Yeah, okay, all right, yeah, okay.

1613
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 10: So but that always frightens me a little. I'm like, gosh,

1614
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 10: they can just look at me so quickly. How much

1615
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 10: else can they quickly do? But anyway, I digressed for

1616
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 10: a second.

1617
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 3: It's happening in real time. Yeah, and I.

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01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 10: Digressed to one thing we were talking about earlier. I

1619
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 10: just wanted to you remember talking about the Epstein situation

1620
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 10: and the guard. Is there a world where maybe this

1621
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 10: guard was just googling, like I don't know enough about

1622
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 10: Jeffrey Epstein.

1623
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 3: Let me look him up. Why is he here? Yeah?

1624
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 3: What did he do?

1625
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,560
Speaker 10: Like it could have been something unnatural.

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01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 2: The guards not be doing that number one, number two,

1627
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's illegal, but what are Yes,

1628
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 2: it's a really good point. Actually, So just because a

1629
01:25:55,520 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 2: guard was googling the inmate who very quickly after a suicide,

1630
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 2: I think, by the way, a great question. I'm not sure.

1631
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 2: Maybe they were just curious and just it was a coincidence,

1632
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 2: or maybe created told initially that they were napping, that

1633
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 2: the guards had knotted off. So it's a little incongruent

1634
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 2: with the idea that they were also or at least

1635
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 2: one of them, was googling the name.

1636
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 3: Prior to the discovery of the suicide. It's a fair question.

1637
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 3: It loves to know.

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01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 10: Another thing that crossed my mind with it, I was thinking, also,

1639
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 10: it's a low amount.

1640
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 3: To me, it is a low amount.

1641
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 10: Like if you're doing all of this to cover up

1642
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:39,640
Speaker 10: someone's you know, masses, I'm doing air quotes suicide, like

1643
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 10: that's a that's a I would have expected something at

1644
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 10: least I don't know. I don't know what the going

1645
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 10: rate for something like that is, but fifty thousand or something.

1646
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 2: Well, it was up to twelve thousand, right, So it's

1647
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 2: twelve thousand dollars. And I don't know what a prison

1648
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 2: guard makes, but two thousand dollars nothing to shake a

1649
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 2: stick at. So yeah, and I look the other way.

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01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:01,600
Speaker 2: They didn't have to commit crime. It was really just

1651
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 2: to like.

1652
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 10: Just turn your back here, yeah, or just.

1653
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 2: To nod off allegedly, allegedly allegedly Okay.

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01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:12,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, So the median salary for correctional officer is about

1655
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 5: sixty thousand dollars, However Los Angeles, New York closer to

1656
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 5: one hundred thousand. Either way, that's a huge we're talking

1657
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:25,879
Speaker 5: still twelve to twenty percent of your annual to again, look.

1658
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 3: The other way.

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01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 2: Good, no one's accusing her of committing anything, no murder,

1660
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 2: you know, it's really just here's a little cash and

1661
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 2: go to the bathroom allegedly at that.

1662
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 10: Time, and we don't know details of the like how

1663
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 10: she got it could have been an inheritance, she could

1664
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 10: have won.

1665
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 3: A lot of the details of what happened. So sure,

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01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 3: just that is all very true.

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01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 4: But I also to your point though, or to counterpoint,

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01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 4: a fifty thousand dollars, you know, addition to her bank

1669
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 4: account would have sent massive red flags.

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01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:57,639
Speaker 10: Good point.

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01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 3: I mean, so me needs.

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01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 4: Some thing, maybe it's something like yours, you know, five

1673
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 4: five thousand. Now, we're going to give you seven thousand later,

1674
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 4: and in three years we're going to give you, you know,

1675
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 4: twenty four thousand something like.

1676
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 3: I don't know whatever, whatever I got it.

1677
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:11,719
Speaker 10: That makes sense.

1678
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 4: But those are no, those are really good points because

1679
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 4: I literally said the same thing about the money. And well,

1680
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 4: that's weird that she would maybe maybe it was her

1681
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 4: first day or something and she just didn't know who

1682
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 4: her people were. She was just looking people up. But

1683
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 4: it's just so coincidental that it just so seemed to

1684
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 4: happen right before the suit or like minutes before the suicide.

1685
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 4: That's crazy to me.

1686
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm not gonna die.

1687
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 2: By the way, that on top of the fact that,

1688
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 2: according to autopsy experts, the actual autopsy doesn't seem in

1689
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 2: the actual what the suicide would look like, and there

1690
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:52,520
Speaker 2: was also reports that his actual cell looked like craziness.

1691
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:56,679
Speaker 2: Well sure it was. Sell was like everything was strue.

1692
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 2: You know, you think of prison like everyone's on a

1693
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 2: really tight leash, right, like you have to take a

1694
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 2: cheothbrush and clean out your the corners in your room.

1695
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 2: This is what I'm imagining from all the prison.

1696
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:07,679
Speaker 3: Movies I've watched.

1697
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 2: But like Jeffrey Epstein again high profile, his cell was

1698
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 2: like bananas up.

1699
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was torn up and it almost s they were

1700
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 4: it almost like tustle and guards were tearing it up,

1701
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 4: like almost like I mean there were the covering run

1702
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 4: about there.

1703
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 3: There was a tussle. Yeah, like there was a tussle. Right.

1704
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 10: Oh, interesting, there.

1705
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 2: Wasn't just a clean room with uh, you know, something

1706
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 2: to hang yourself, which was what the you know, the

1707
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 2: assertion is again we don't know the answers to this,

1708
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:41,719
Speaker 2: but for something to come under so much suspicion, for there.

1709
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 3: To be such a lapse in like facts.

1710
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 2: You know, Pianbandi came out and said that the minute

1711
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:52,679
Speaker 2: that was missing was well accounted for and totally cost

1712
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 2: all the time, happens all the time, And then there

1713
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 2: was a take back on that, and then it was

1714
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:00,599
Speaker 2: you're gonna there's nothing to see. There are no files,

1715
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 2: there's no list, and there ends up being you know,

1716
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 2: ten files. Now there's three thousand. Now there's three million.

1717
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 2: Oh wait, there's still two million missing. Oh and then

1718
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:12,640
Speaker 2: suddenly we get forty five out of nowhere. It's just

1719
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 2: so messy. It's hard to understand where the lies are

1720
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 2: or aren't. And frankly, that's the part that gets me

1721
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 2: a little confused, because I think confusion is what negates everything. So,

1722
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 2: you know, on this recent dump, if there's something that's

1723
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 2: an accusation. In the last you know, couple of days,

1724
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:33,879
Speaker 2: we had another forty five thousand you know documents released.

1725
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 2: If something in there that's you know, really juicy is

1726
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 2: investigated and found out to be fake, that's like a

1727
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 2: great ploy because that discounts so many other things. Yeah,

1728
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 2: and right now, I feel like there's just a lot

1729
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 2: of confusion, and I don't know where to believe any

1730
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 2: of it, But I feel confused by it, and I feel.

1731
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 3: On National Women's Day and annoyed and.

1732
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 2: Mad for all of the survivors who really just need

1733
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 2: some answers that seemingly are are pretty black and white,

1734
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,640
Speaker 2: or at least validation is really black and white. For

1735
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:11,679
Speaker 2: many of the accusers that were we're called crazy in liars,

1736
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 2: there have been really there's fact to suggest that they

1737
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 2: were one thousand percent correct.

1738
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 3: And if that's the case, what else is true?

1739
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 4: Well, and multiple administrations have lied to us about this.

1740
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:27,680
Speaker 3: This isn't just one. Literally, it's not a this is

1741
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 3: not a Democrat.

1742
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 4: Versus Republican issue. Multiple administration.

1743
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 3: Everyone has lied to us. It's an up and down,

1744
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:39,639
Speaker 3: you know. So either you're in the Epstein class or not. Yeah,

1745
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:40,719
Speaker 3: jokes on us.

1746
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 2: So we can all disagree, but that's the plan, is

1747
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:48,280
Speaker 2: for us all to disagree. And the truth is we

1748
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 2: need to be looking up at who is really calling

1749
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 2: the shots here because it's not a Democrat or a

1750
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 2: Republican period, you know. So I think we have to

1751
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 2: accept that fact. Acts I think disagree with me, anybody,

1752
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 2: bring them on, Bring on the disagreements. But this is

1753
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 2: what I'm in my heart, I'm like reckoning I don't

1754
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 2: trust an idea that maybe it's been a big mess

1755
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 2: for a really long time, including the people that I

1756
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 2: love and voted for.

1757
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't trust any of them anyway. I just don't.

1758
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 3: Let's do another talkback.

1759
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 12: Well, you guys are so funny with your doom stay prepping.

1760
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 12: I feel like if it was the end of time

1761
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 12: or the apocalypse was to hit, Australia would be like

1762
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 12: the last ones to know when we just be down

1763
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 12: here chilling and it did get to us eventually.

1764
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 2: Because like they're literally down under, right, Yeah, well you

1765
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 2: down under ers will be prepared because of us Upper

1766
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 2: soon to die peppers.

1767
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 3: We need water and gas. That's what you need.

1768
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 2: Calls cash and by the.

1769
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 3: Way, just this is just a state of that.

1770
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 2: I don't know anything. This is not a political show.

1771
01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:58,599
Speaker 2: This is not even a political statement.

1772
01:32:58,920 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 3: But you know, things seem a.

1773
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:02,719
Speaker 2: Little wacky out there. So we need cash in hand.

1774
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 2: You need cash in hand in small bills, not in

1775
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 2: one bills. You cannot tell me I have no cash

1776
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:11,679
Speaker 2: whatever you have, I just have a little on hand.

1777
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 2: Imagine just like the cash machines going out because there's

1778
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 2: some sort of weird cyber attack that seems so reasonably imminent.

1779
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 4: The thing, the cash machines aren't going to working to

1780
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:27,879
Speaker 4: trade for cash.

1781
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 2: You can't be like, hey, here's a fifty dollars bill,

1782
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 2: can you break it. They're going to say no, you

1783
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:34,520
Speaker 2: need singles and small.

1784
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 3: Bills and ps.

1785
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 5: This is in the abstract event of sort of anything happening.

1786
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 3: Speaking of.

1787
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 2: Joining us, Chicken Little and I have gas in your

1788
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,640
Speaker 2: car at all times, and Phillip, now only I did,

1789
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 2: I did do that.

1790
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 3: I have your birth certificates on hand. I don't have that.

1791
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 2: Here, but I can't believe the night is already over.

1792
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:02,000
Speaker 2: We're so glad that you joined us tonight. Again, KF

1793
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 2: I thank you for being with us. And remember tomorrow

1794
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:08,639
Speaker 2: we're going to be unpacking all things the Long Island

1795
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 2: serial Killers, so make sure you tune in. And Big

1796
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 2: Amana Ox is going to be here on Thursday, so

1797
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 2: please stay with us. We will speak to you tomorrow.

1798
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 2: Stay safe out there,