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Speaker 1: go missing their young son, anguished, where are they? What

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Speaker 1: happened to Bart and Krista Holderson? I mean, I see Grace.

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Speaker 1: all star panel to make sense of what we know

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Speaker 1: right now. First of all, trial lawyer joining us out

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Speaker 1: of North Carolina, Kathleen Murphy at NC Domestic Law dot com.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Jory Crasen, psychologist, faculty Saint Leo University, consultant and

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Speaker 1: author of Operation s O S. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet

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Speaker 1: on Amazon. He's a star of a brand new hit

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Speaker 1: series on iHeart Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. But

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Speaker 1: first I want to go out to Alexis Terrescha Crimalline

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Speaker 1: dot com investigative reporter joining us. You know this couple,

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Speaker 1: Bart and Krista Halderson. Everything seemed just perfect. Have you

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Speaker 1: But those people that always have their car perfect and

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Speaker 1: were very nice parents. They even owned a second home.

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Speaker 1: They were successful. They had to purchased a lake home,

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Speaker 1: Is that right correct? Now? Okay? The sun Chandler twenty

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Speaker 1: Where is that? What is that? It is a small

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Speaker 1: them they were going to White Lake. There's some festivities

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Speaker 1: Law enforcement found his remains last Thursday and no one

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Speaker 1: has been charged yet in his death. The Sheriff's office

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Speaker 1: still does not know where Bart's wife, Krista Holderson is

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Speaker 1: Jessica Morgan. When I hear dismemberment or staging, which of course,

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Speaker 1: dismemberment is. The staging of a scene could be as

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Speaker 1: simple as covering up the body or covering up the face,

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Speaker 1: moving the body. Dismemberment is certainly disturbing the crime scene.

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Speaker 1: When I hear staging or dismemberment, I know it's not random.

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Speaker 1: Explain no, it's not. And you know, there's two ways

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Speaker 1: you can look at it, Nancy. Either an individual has

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Speaker 1: dismembered a body is attempting to destroy evidence, because the

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Speaker 1: body at that point is in fact the central piece

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Speaker 1: of evidence. Or you've got an attachment of a lot

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Speaker 1: of anger that an individual could destroy an individual down

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Speaker 1: to literally take them down to an elemental level, if

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Speaker 1: you will, you know, by taking them apart. So you've

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Speaker 1: got that convergence there where these two things are coming

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Speaker 1: together and you really have to begin to look at

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Speaker 1: how dark this is. And then you know, the idea

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Speaker 1: is that when you dismember a body like this and

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Speaker 1: you're attempting you know, if you go along with my

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Speaker 1: earlier thought about destruction of evidence, you're dispersing the body

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Speaker 1: or bodies over a large, large area potentially, so it

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Speaker 1: makes the investigation all the more difficult. And to me,

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Speaker 1: this goes to intent, It goes to trying to put

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Speaker 1: the police off the scent, if you will. Absolutely, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I had to digest everything that you were saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: talking to Joe Scott Morgan when we're talking about cases.

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Speaker 1: It takes a minute for us regular people to take

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Speaker 1: in everything that you just expound upon. It's a lot

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Speaker 1: of information at once. But yes, I agree completely. When

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Speaker 1: blood is found near the fireplace, there is an explanation

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Speaker 1: for that, a fairly simple explanation. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our cut twenty seven. This is Marcus Oswald at w

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Speaker 1: E A U NBC. Chanler recalls the days leading up

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Speaker 1: to his parent's disappearance. He remembers playing fetch with his

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Speaker 1: dog and breaking the glass fireplace in the home, injuring

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Speaker 1: himself in the process, he says, causing him to bleed up.

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Speaker 1: That one was practically the glasses in there, So I

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Speaker 1: grabbed tweels on a flow it out and then it

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Speaker 1: starts this is spurting out. I got some on a

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Speaker 1: little bit of the rock. It wasn't that bad of

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Speaker 1: the rock, but I think the worst was the floor.

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Speaker 1: So there you have it. You're the forensics expert. Joe

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. He says, he's playing with the dog and

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Speaker 1: broke glass, the glass fireplace in the home injuring himself

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Speaker 1: and blood on the floor. Let's think about that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's stay yeah, because you know, with blood, you're going

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Speaker 1: to have a specific identifier. You know, we're beyond the

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Speaker 1: age Nancy in time where we're just simply doing abo grouping. Now,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're back in the day. You know we

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Speaker 1: do av you know o AB. It doesn't work anymore.

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Speaker 1: Now you're saying that this is the point of origin

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Speaker 1: of this blood is from me, and of course you

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Speaker 1: have to be able to stand fast and hold that

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Speaker 1: hold that position if that's what you're putting forth to

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Speaker 1: the cops. Because let me tell you what the cops

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Speaker 1: gonna do. First off, they're going to verify that that

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Speaker 1: is in fact blood, and then once they get it,

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Speaker 1: they're not just gonna type it. They're they're gonna dig

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Speaker 1: into the DNA here and determine who that blood specifically

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Speaker 1: points to. And if you find any other blood around

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Speaker 1: the house and look seen the injury. This kid is

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Speaker 1: talking about Nancy and it's on his big toe. How

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Speaker 1: many of us have cut our big toe or our

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Speaker 1: foot at some point in time. And he's talking about

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Speaker 1: not just the typing or the DNA, but the quantity

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Speaker 1: of blood. Remember in the Jennifer Dulo's case where so

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Speaker 1: much blood was found, the missing Connecticut mom of five,

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Speaker 1: so much blood was found in the garage. They knew

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Speaker 1: from the quantity of blood that she had to be dead.

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Speaker 1: There was no way there could be that much blood

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Speaker 1: outside of her body and her still be alive. Alexis

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Speaker 1: terrest shut crime online describe the home the amount of

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Speaker 1: blood found near the fireplace. So there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of blood in the fireplace. It was also, i believe,

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Speaker 1: in the basement. But that's not all, Alexis. There wasn't

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Speaker 1: just a blood around the fireplace. And as you have

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Speaker 1: accurately stated, in the basement. Take a listen to Eric

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Speaker 1: Frankie at Knees three. It just so happened. Stephen Griber

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Speaker 1: was in his driveway when he says he detected a strong,

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Speaker 1: burning odor odor. He said he thought it was just

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Speaker 1: a fire pit, maybe somebody burning some firewood at first,

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Speaker 1: but then after five minutes or so, Griber says, this

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Speaker 1: smell changed a bit in his words quote more in

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Speaker 1: line with what he thought was someone barbecuing, kind of

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Speaker 1: became strong and kind of like a pungent smell, to

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Speaker 1: the point that I actually walked down my driveway half

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Speaker 1: the distances had looked up and down the street to

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Speaker 1: see if anybody was doing anything like grilling or something

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Speaker 1: else was going on, and I didn't see anything at

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Speaker 1: that point. Later, a special agent from the Department of

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Speaker 1: Justices Arson Bureau said he detected a grilled meat smell

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Speaker 1: from the fireplace. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Alexis Terrett Chak.

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Speaker 1: That's what we call karma. When your front store neighbor,

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Speaker 1: it's actually a former detective investigator for the District Attorney's

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Speaker 1: office and actually pays attention like a trained observer that

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Speaker 1: smells smoke and goes to look for the time, smells

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Speaker 1: what he believes to be a barbecue. Go ahead, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he goes to look for the fire. He's not a

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Speaker 1: neighbor who's just well, I smell smoke. But then I

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Speaker 1: just went back to watching TV. He actually started walking

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Speaker 1: around the neighborhood to see where the smell was coming

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Speaker 1: from because it was such an odd smell barbecue, but

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Speaker 1: not as good barbecue, not a sweet barbecue smell. He

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Speaker 1: described it as pungent. So he starts walking around investigating

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Speaker 1: because it's ingrained in him. This is his job. This

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Speaker 1: is just something his brain automatically thought, I have to

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Speaker 1: go figure this out. Jessica Morgan joining us professor forensics.

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Speaker 1: What else was found in and around the fireplace? Yeah, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: it gets really gruesome, very dark, very quickly. And I'll

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Speaker 1: frame it by saying this. The arson investigator actually related

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Speaker 1: that if you're looking at the fireplace on the right

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Speaker 1: hand side, there was kind of a greasy residue. They

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Speaker 1: believe that's consistent with the bodies. Literally, are the bodies

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Speaker 1: literally being rendered down in that area. That's fat coming

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Speaker 1: off the bodies, Nancy, in the fireplace. And then as

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Speaker 1: they duck further and they had to dismantle this thing.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that rendering down? Well, as

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Speaker 1: bodies begin as any kind of organic tissue that has

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Speaker 1: fat on it, like this, this tissue it begins to

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Speaker 1: render down. It literally begins to melt, and the only

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Speaker 1: way to describe it is like barbecue. It drips onto

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Speaker 1: this metal surface which holds the wood, and you could

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Speaker 1: actually see in the crime scene images you could see

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Speaker 1: this dark stained area, Nancy, and that was indicative of

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Speaker 1: almost like a grease fire had been created. And that's

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Speaker 1: how that's how horrible this is. And as they went

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Speaker 1: through the evidence there they begin finding fragmented pieces of

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Speaker 1: what they determine or human skulls. Now, what's so important

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Speaker 1: about this is that this skull had burned at such

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Speaker 1: an intense level temperature wise, that you could see the

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Speaker 1: skull had begun to come apart, and you could see

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Speaker 1: the actual matrices or the structure of the bone itself

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Speaker 1: where it had begun to fall apart. This is something

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Speaker 1: that we would see normally in a cremation, just prior

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Speaker 1: to the body being completely pulverized, and just a frame

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Speaker 1: it for you. Cremations actually take a sustained temperature of

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Speaker 1: eighteen hundred degrees fahrenheit. Someone would have had to have

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Speaker 1: sat there intended this fire to get it that hot

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Speaker 1: in an indwelling fireplace in a private residence you know,

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Speaker 1: this reminds me of the process you're describing. Joe. Scott

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Speaker 1: Morgan is the young victim in or twenties, Teresa Hallbock,

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Speaker 1: the photographer that went to go take photos for the

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Speaker 1: auto trader on Stephen Aprey. He went on to be

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Speaker 1: the subject of a huge documentary Calm Making a Murderer,

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Speaker 1: claiming that he avery was innocent but family blood, family

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Speaker 1: and friends. Neighbors saw him tending an outdoor pit fire overnight,

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Speaker 1: burning it overnight all night long, never leaving it, and

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Speaker 1: then investigators later found teeth of Teresa hallbacks and the

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Speaker 1: studs off the back of her days fluente jeans that

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Speaker 1: didn't burn down. Everything else was gone. To Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: what you're describing is the constant tending of the fire

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Speaker 1: to maintain that extremely high here, You're absolutely right, and

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Speaker 1: you would have to continue to apply to Nancy, you

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Speaker 1: would have to have a fuel source. The body's not

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Speaker 1: the fuel source. You have to when you say tend,

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Speaker 1: you have to roll the fire over, keep it burning

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Speaker 1: and then add ongoing fuel like paper or certainly would

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Speaker 1: to maintain this. So you'd have to have a constant supply.

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Speaker 1: And this goes to thought, doesn't it, Nancy? You know

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Speaker 1: where you're thinking about somebody sitting there rendering down human

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Speaker 1: remains in a home and they're piling wood on top

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00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: of it to keep the fire going. Why is the

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00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: only question? Take a listen now to our friends at

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Speaker 1: w E A U NBC fifteen. Before the jury was

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Speaker 1: sent to deliberate, each side had one last opportunity to

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Speaker 1: prove its case. We know that Bart and Cristal went

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Speaker 1: into that home and never came out at least as

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Speaker 1: whole people, that their bodies were found dismembered, discarded and hidden.

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Speaker 1: Chandra Harlderson killed his parents. Do you know how Bart

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Speaker 1: was killed? Exactly how he was killed? Do you know

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Speaker 1: how Krista was killed? Do you know if it was

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Speaker 1: an awful accident? Do you know if it was intentional?

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00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: Do you know there was someone else involved? You don't.

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Speaker 1: What if there had been an awful accident, Kathleen Murphy,

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Speaker 1: then I mean think about it, just like it was

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Speaker 1: argued in top Mom Casey Anthony's case. If there had

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Speaker 1: been a horrible accident and little Keeley had died in

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Speaker 1: the family's pool, why would George Anthony I scooped up

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Speaker 1: her body? Put it in a plastic bag after wrapping

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Speaker 1: duct tape around her head, and throw her out in

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Speaker 1: a swampy forest area. No, that wouldn't happen. So if

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Speaker 1: this were an unintentional accident, then why would their bodies

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Speaker 1: be dismembered and rendered down and burned. It wouldn't happen.

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Speaker 1: And you have to think about, how could this person

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Speaker 1: actually rendered down his own parents if there wasn't something

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Speaker 1: significantly wrong with his makeup. So the parents, apparently Alexi's

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Speaker 1: terrest Chuck, had caught him in his lies. Explain what happens?

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Speaker 1: They in front of him. They caught him. They said,

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Speaker 1: you are not working. You're twenty three years old. This

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Speaker 1: isn't You're sixteen years old and you got fired from

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Speaker 1: your first job and you're lying about it. You are

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Speaker 1: twenty three, almost twenty four years old, and you have

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Speaker 1: been lying about where you worked, even lying about going

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Speaker 1: to school, even lying to us about everything. As a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, Alexas Toreschuk hadn't he constructed an entire

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Speaker 1: web of email lies. He did a whole world where

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Speaker 1: he was creating emails back and forth about these jobs

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Speaker 1: that he supposedly had, like complete fantasy. That he created.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean back and forth about his jobs

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Speaker 1: with different people that he was that he was pretending

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Speaker 1: that he worked for. They would be like an email

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Speaker 1: from a boss, and then he was writing back to them,

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Speaker 1: like showing that he was doing actual work when none

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Speaker 1: of it was actually happening, saying anything like in Kathleen.

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Speaker 1: It's a huge level of deception. I see it every day,

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Speaker 1: every day, and that's why we create these parent portals

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Speaker 1: so I don't have to look at all these lying emails.

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Speaker 1: They're put in a quortal and then that email sticks.

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Speaker 1: You can see it and you can share it. But

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Speaker 1: this is a huge level of deception too, doctor Jorry

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Speaker 1: Crows and joining us psychologist at Saint Leo University's faculty,

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Speaker 1: doctor Joy, I don't get it. You give your child everything,

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Speaker 1: their whole life, and then this I can see where, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he caught up, was confronted with it, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: made a decision. I don't believe in the insanity roles,

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Speaker 1: but he made a decision to deal with it, and

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Speaker 1: then basically in cutting up the bodies, it became evidence

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Speaker 1: that he had to get rid of. It was just

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Speaker 1: another problem to be solved. It's cold blooded, but you

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Speaker 1: know that's really the way I see it. Why not

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Speaker 1: just confess and get a job? Probably not in his

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Speaker 1: personality makeup. Yeah, he solved different routes, possibly that Hey,

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Speaker 1: if they're gone, I have control of the house, I

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Speaker 1: have this, I got access to their money. You know,

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Speaker 1: it could be all kinds of motivations there. And it's

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Speaker 1: amazing to me, Kathleen Murphy that he managed to keep

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Speaker 1: up his lines like tod Mom did throughout the entire investigation.

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Speaker 1: Listen our cut twenty eight way this point, Chandler doesn't

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Speaker 1: know remains have been discovered, or that he's considered a suspect.

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Speaker 1: That is, until the very end of questioning when he's arrested.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you what we know, but we know

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Speaker 1: you're not telling us the truth. We know your parents

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Speaker 1: are no longer with us, okay, and we know the

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Speaker 1: reason why. Okay, I need to tell the truth. There's listen, listen.

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Speaker 1: You need to tell the truth about what happened, and

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Speaker 1: just tell us why it happened. Okay, that myself. In

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Speaker 1: the two hours of questioning, Chandler confirms he visited the

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Speaker 1: cottage where were lockery on the fourth of July where

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Speaker 1: the remains were found. Today, we also learned more on

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Speaker 1: how detectives came to find the second set of remains

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Speaker 1: found in the town of Roxbury, belonging to Chandler's mother.

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Speaker 1: Throughout all the questioning, the closest he got was that

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Speaker 1: he had visited the Cottage Grove property around the time

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Speaker 1: his parents went missing. I mean, he stuck to his

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Speaker 1: story till the bitter end. Would a jury believe it?

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut thirty w We the

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Speaker 1: jury find the defendant, Chandler M. Halderson guilty of first

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Speaker 1: degree intentional homicide as to BARDE. Halderson. We the jury

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Speaker 1: find the defendant Chandler M. Halderson guilty of first degree

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Speaker 1: intentional homicide as to CHRISTA R. Halderson. Two hours, thirteen minutes.

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Speaker 1: That's how long it took the jury to decide twenty

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Speaker 1: three year old Chandler Halderson was guilty of killing his parents.

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Speaker 1: Alexis Rushchuk. Has he been sentenced, not yet, but he

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Speaker 1: is facing I believe life in prison for this. We

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Speaker 1: wait as just as on false Nancy grace COM's story

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Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye Friend,