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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Murdered or Missing, Attorneys and

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Speaker 1: prosecutors launched the trial of Trizell and Jacqueline West after

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Speaker 1: two little boys, Oran four and Orson three go missing,

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Speaker 1: their bodies never found. In the last days breaking news.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and serious XEM

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Speaker 1: one eleven. The faces of these two little boys, four

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Speaker 1: year old Oran and three year old Orson go national

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Speaker 1: as people all across the country join in the search

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Speaker 1: for them. How did the search begin? How did the

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Speaker 1: boys go missing?

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Speaker 2: The children West and or In West were last seen

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Speaker 2: in the ten thousand, seven hundred bloc of Aspen Avenue.

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Speaker 2: They're described as African American, about three free tall, both

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Speaker 2: wearing black sweatshirts and gray sweatpants.

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Speaker 1: You were just hearing our friends at kge T seventeen news.

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Speaker 1: That was Taylor Shap And what Taylor Shap said breaks

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Speaker 1: my heart because I'm thinking of my children, John, David

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Speaker 1: and Lucy at age three. They're twins at three feet tall.

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Speaker 1: Where these two wearing black sweatshirts and gray sweatpants. Now,

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Speaker 1: how does not one little child disappear? Say, at the

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Speaker 1: shopping mall or at the playground, how did two of

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Speaker 1: them just disappear? With me an all star panel to

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Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again. Let

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Speaker 1: me tell you first name you know very well. A

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Speaker 1: hero and advocate, Mark Klass, the founder of Class Kids

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Speaker 1: Foundation who's devoted his life to finding missing people, especially children,

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Speaker 1: at the disappearance of his little girl, Polly. Kathleen Murphy,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina, a trial lawyer at Ncdomestic Law dot com.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, renown psychiatrist joining us out of the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela Arnold MD dot com. You know

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Speaker 1: this name very well. Cheryl McCollum, founder and director of

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Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute, and crime scene expert. Joseph

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensicks Jacksonville State University, author of Blood

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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon. But first we're going to

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Speaker 1: a special guest joining us, Byon Wang with twenty three

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Speaker 1: ABC N Bakersville. You know Byon. First of all, thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. I've covered so many missing

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Speaker 1: people cases, especially children, and investigating them as a felony

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Speaker 1: prosecutor in intercity Atlanta, and I usually see one child missing,

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Speaker 1: one person missing. It's very rare, very rare, indeed beyond

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Speaker 1: for two children to go missing at the same time,

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Speaker 1: and it brings to mind, for instance, two little children

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Speaker 1: playing in the front yard and they decide to walk

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Speaker 1: down the street and then they're missing, or two children

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Speaker 1: getting away from mommy at the shopping mall. I want

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Speaker 1: to hear exactly what you can tell me surrounding the

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Speaker 1: facts of this case, by Yond Wang, because every fact,

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Speaker 1: every single fact means something, including the time of the

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Speaker 1: day daylight or dark, the type of neighborhood, residential apartment,

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Speaker 1: tree lined business district, shopping mall. Every single thing matters.

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Speaker 1: So Byon Wang, first of all, tell me about the

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Speaker 1: area where did they go missing.

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Speaker 3: They went missing in California City. That's the population of

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Speaker 3: about fourteen thousand. It's surrounded by hundreds of miles of desert.

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Speaker 3: It's the third largest land area in California.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean the third largest land area. I

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Speaker 1: mean the whole state of California is land. What do

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Speaker 1: you mean by the third largest Listen, Mayon, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: your details, but I'm just a trial lawyer. You have

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Speaker 1: to break it down for people like me, what do

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Speaker 1: you mean the third largest land area.

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Speaker 3: Well, Nancy, this community is in the middle of the

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Speaker 3: Mahagi Desert. I mean you just go on Google Maps

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Speaker 3: you know, the community, you could imagine this case weighing

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Speaker 3: in on their hearts. They are desperate to find these

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Speaker 1: Hold on beyond one because I want to go to

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Speaker 1: our expert, Mark Class Founder Class Kids at classkids dot org. Mark,

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Speaker 1: that presents a big problem. First of all, you've got

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Speaker 1: Mark Class but still fourteen thousand rules out to an

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Speaker 1: extent like strangers passing through. But you've got that factor

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Speaker 1: Mark Class combined with as Beyond Wang by Yond Wang

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Speaker 1: just told us huge expanse of desert, nobody living there.

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Speaker 1: That presents a problem. Mark classifying is three and four

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Speaker 4: Indeed it does, Nancy, And for prefaces, I'd like to

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Speaker 4: say that Class Kids Foundation has had our busiest year

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Speaker 4: that endures and just keeps getting worse and worse and worse.

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Speaker 4: Now back to what you said. You know, there's generally

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Speaker 4: And when I say stereotypical stranger kidnappings, I mean somebody

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Speaker 4: in the vast majority of those cases, there's only one

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, you got me drinking out of fire. Aydrect,

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Speaker 1: it's too much, too fast. Hold on, I'm taking in

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Speaker 1: everything you're saying, which contradicts everything about this case Beyon

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Speaker 1: Wang is telling us, and he's absolutely correct. Okay, let

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Speaker 4: Well, so we're in a situation here where as Byon said,

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Speaker 4: we have to figure out where on that land mass

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Speaker 1: No, the way you say that, Mark Class, it just

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Speaker 1: you know, trills off the tip of your tongue because

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Speaker 1: you're used to it, saying that a three and a

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Speaker 1: four year old little child could be buried somewhere. But

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Speaker 1: for people that don't deal with it every day like

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Speaker 1: that's a tough that's a tough pill to swallow, what

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Speaker 1: you said. But you're absolutely correct. We're talking about two

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Speaker 1: little children, just three and four years old. Straight back

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Speaker 1: to you by Yond Wang, twenty three ABC News. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we went off on a tangent, but that was important

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Speaker 1: because if these children are somehow byyond out in the

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Speaker 1: somehow they've gotten there, it's over. Back to you, Beyond Wang,

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Speaker 1: reporter twenty three ABC. I get the area. Were they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they were reported missing out of their home.

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Speaker 3: Their adoptive parents, Jacqueline and Trazelle West, reported them missing

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Speaker 3: from their home. Essentially, they say that the kids were

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Speaker 3: they suddenly disappeared. The father, Trezelle, says he was essentially

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Speaker 1: Now twenty three NBC, Do you have children?

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Speaker 3: Not yet?

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Speaker 1: Okay, listen to me. You'll find out about this. Jackie.

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Speaker 1: Back me up on this. When you're wrapping or preparing

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Speaker 1: Christmas gifts, you want the children to be somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not going to go into wand because it's

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Speaker 1: very mysterious, but it's my understanding. The mom was wrapping

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Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute, it sounds like a Christmas card,

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Speaker 1: really building a fire in the fireplace, wrapping Christmas presents,

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Speaker 1: they're gone. I'm sorry, go ahead, Cheryl.

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Speaker 5: It's all too perfect. The minute I heard it, what

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Speaker 5: Daddy is starting a fire and the children are doing artwork.

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Speaker 5: That is bogus.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what planet you come from, but that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what we do around Christmas. And I try everything

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Speaker 1: I can think of to get the children to go

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Speaker 1: somewhere other that where I am, because I'm working on

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Speaker 1: you know what. But hold on, I hear what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. So, byon, am I right that mom was

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Speaker 4: Nancy?

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Speaker 3: That's what we're being told the parents. That's right. The

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Speaker 3: mother said she was wrapping Christmas gifts during the time

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Speaker 1: Okay, so what time of the day or night was it?

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Speaker 3: The father says it was between four thirty and five

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Speaker 3: sun setting at that point.

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Speaker 1: that right? It's dark by four thirty.

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Speaker 4: It gets very cold and very dark very quickly after that.

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Speaker 1: So it's getting dark now. Jackie is waving at me

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Speaker 1: frantically to Claire up clear, there are other children in

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Speaker 1: go play. Well, that makes perfect sense to me. It

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Speaker 1: away when you're prepping Christmas. Well, guys, jump in.

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Speaker 3: Well, guys, it's actually sorry. It's important to mention that

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Speaker 1: You're happy, now you're happy, she's happy. Okay, So that's

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Speaker 5: I got to jump in, jump because because I want

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Speaker 5: to make sure what I was trying to say very clear.

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Speaker 5: It was all too perfect. And again at four point

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Speaker 5: thirty in the afternoon. Number one, you can wait to

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Speaker 1: If you say you've got a thirty minute segment where

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Speaker 1: you can wrap Christmas gifts surreptitiously, then you jump on it.

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, the

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Speaker 1: adoptive parents, Trezelle and Jacqueline West just found guilty on

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Speaker 1: five of seven charges lodged against them, including murder. Jerrars

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Speaker 1: found Trezel West and Jacqueline West thirty six and thirty three, respectively,

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Speaker 1: Second degree murder carries a prison term of fifteen years

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Speaker 1: to life. The couple was also convicted a falsely reporting

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Speaker 1: an emergency. What emergency? The disappearance of the two little

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Speaker 1: boys just got morgun Professor Forensicks jump.

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Speaker 6: In back to what Bayon had said. He didn't He

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Speaker 6: was very specific Nancy about these babies. He didn't say

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Speaker 6: I think, from an investigative standpoint, I'm thinking about this,

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Speaker 6: and I'm thinking, who has access to the backyard in

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Speaker 6: you get a lot of places.

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Speaker 1: You're looking at the house right now, and the street

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Speaker 1: Mark class, every detail matters. Would you agree with that?

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Speaker 4: Of course, every detail matters.

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Speaker 1: I mean somebody else's back yard butt's up to their backyard.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You remember when Isabelle Salise

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Speaker 1: Okay, I hear you. I did not know that. Guys,

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Speaker 1: It was cold.

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Speaker 7: I was gonna make a fire, said a lot of

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Speaker 7: So I was playing with chalk and I came to

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Speaker 7: I immediately went back in asked my wife, did you

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Speaker 1: She said, no, they should be outside playing with chalk.

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Speaker 7: I said, well, I didn't see them. So I came

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Speaker 1: And I searched the whole thing you're hearing. They adopted

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Speaker 7: I got in the van, I looked down the street

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Speaker 1: You know, we've heard a lot from the dad, But

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Speaker 8: They said that. She says she was rapping gibs, and

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Speaker 8: My two just go back there at night. She said

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Speaker 3: So why didn't she tell you this? Where were you

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Speaker 8: I just came here forty five minutes when nobody was

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Speaker 3: You know that.

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Speaker 8: I just don't feel in my heart that it's something

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Speaker 1: I don't know them. They did something just in you're

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Speaker 9: Trezelle Jaqueline West and their six kids lived at Casselomo

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Speaker 9: say they never saw the boys there. That's why concerns

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to those of you just joining us. I'm

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grayson. This is Crime Stories. Trezelle and Jacqueline West

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Speaker 1: just found guilty on five of seven charges lodged against them,

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the search? Joining me from ABC twenty

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Speaker 1: three is by Yon Wang. Tell me what all has

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Speaker 3: Oh man, Nancy, I mean, this community has really come together.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about multiple searches, two ten thousand dollars rewards.

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Speaker 3: I mean, these guys are stavaging the desert themselves, going,

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Speaker 3: you know, essentially through every neighborhood in that area. Unfortunately, though,

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Speaker 3: And that has taught this huge question in the community.

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Speaker 3: You know, what is it exactly that they know that

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Speaker 3: the police chief of the California City Police Department today, Look,

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Speaker 3: our investigation hasn't led us there. Right now, our focus

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends and cut twenty one

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Speaker 10: Two parents have now been charged with the murders of

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Speaker 10: the case of their missing adopted sons in the Endlope Ballet.

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Speaker 10: In December of twenty twenty, Trizell and Jacqueline West told

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Speaker 10: investigators four year old Orrin and three year old Orson

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Speaker 10: current Cay District Attorney revealed the boys have been declared

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Speaker 11: This is not the outcome that we and so many

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Speaker 11: the real tragedy had already occurred, and there will not

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Speaker 10: The parents are facing second degree murder and child abuse charges.

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Speaker 1: Byon Wang, Explain to me what we just heard, Well,

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Speaker 3: Was the DA basically a report of the DA announcing

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Speaker 3: that worsted In Or and West were believed to be deceased.

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Speaker 3: They are believed to be deceased three months before the

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Speaker 3: And this is a crucial time period here because around

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Speaker 1: City to you mark class why as Byan Wang is saying,

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Speaker 4: I mean the September date, because that was approximately the

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Speaker 4: So you've got this confluence of little children not having

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Speaker 4: Explain well, listen, what we're looking at are two parents

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Speaker 4: I don't know how that plays out, but I'm sure

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Speaker 12: What about it, Cheryl, I think anytime you are making

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Speaker 3: I mean. The big question a lot of reporters on

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Speaker 1: Anymore, direct and circumstantial evidence. What could that ming?

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Speaker 3: By on, Well, I mean I think you kind of

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Speaker 3: If they're convicted of these charges, are looking at thirty

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Speaker 12: And Nancy, I think most people know you were my prosecutor,

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Speaker 12: But if those children had gone missing in September, you

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Speaker 12: would have told us, go find me Halloween pictures of them,

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Speaker 12: go find me Thanksgiving pictures of them, Go find me

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Speaker 12: a Santa Clau's picture of them. It was four days

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Speaker 1: They have no such pictures.

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Speaker 5: Nancy.

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Speaker 13: I watched her interview and they were asking her about

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Speaker 13: the current pictures for these children, and all over the

437
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Speaker 13: words talk about an old phone, and it was clear

438
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Speaker 13: that she didn't have pictures, and it was clear that

439
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Speaker 13: she wasn't prepared to even answer that type of question, although.

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Speaker 3: They did her there and then and then I should

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Speaker 3: they sorry, I should say, three or four months after

442
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Speaker 3: our first interview with them, I got a tip that

443
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Speaker 3: the parents were in Bakersfield at the juvenile courtouse. I

444
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Speaker 3: went there, saw the parents. There was no cameras involved,

445
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Speaker 3: really just wanted to have a conversation, see if we

446
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Speaker 3: get pictures. At that time, they said they still don't

447
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Speaker 3: have their electronic devices back from police. They wouldn't give

448
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Speaker 3: me their phone number. I even said, guys, look, there's

449
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Speaker 3: a lot of people who want to hear from you.

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Speaker 3: Can you at least issue a statement to me, nothing

451
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Speaker 3: on camera, Just tell me a statement that I could

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Speaker 3: get out there for you guys. And they wouldn't not

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Speaker 3: say thanks for searching, you know, or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: And they claimed that you know, they've been threatened, you know,

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Speaker 3: the lives of the threatened, and that they have been

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Speaker 3: doing their own price.

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Speaker 1: Their lives have been threatened. What Yeah, So there was.

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Speaker 3: No cry I mean, come on, there was a there

459
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Speaker 3: was a huge outcry after the first interview we did

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Speaker 3: with them. The only interview we did with.

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Speaker 1: Well their lives if they were threatened, was because they're

462
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Speaker 1: not doing anything. I mean, why would you not issue

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Speaker 1: a statement asking people to help find your children and

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Speaker 1: thanking the people that had helped look for your children.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand that.

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Speaker 3: I was looking for a statement along those lines. They

467
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Speaker 3: just never got one. They wouldn't tell me a single word.

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Speaker 1: How did they say?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 1: What did they what was their response?

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Speaker 3: Well, they basically just said right now, no matter how

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Speaker 3: we say it, whether we say thank you you know,

473
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Speaker 3: to the community, whether we say you know, please go

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Speaker 3: and search for the kids. Even more that they think,

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Speaker 3: no matter what kind of adjective now and whatever they

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Speaker 3: would say, that someone would find a way to use that.

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Speaker 1: Who cares beyond who cares? I mean, come on, Kathleen

478
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Speaker 1: Murphy family lawyer, Who cares what people say about you

479
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Speaker 1: when your children's lives are on the line.

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Speaker 13: Oh yes, I see how parents every single day don't

481
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Speaker 13: care what people.

482
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Speaker 1: Think about their children.

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Speaker 13: They put on these images and they don't really have

484
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Speaker 13: the truth out there. Me know, one of these parents

485
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 13: had the truth out there. They're going to put an

486
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Speaker 13: image in and that showed their sense of culpability with

487
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Speaker 13: regard to these children that are missing and Nancy. When

488
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Speaker 13: they were on video, the father and I use that

489
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Speaker 13: term very loosely, had his arm tucked under his armpits

490
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Speaker 13: for over fifteen minutes in a very defensive state. He

491
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Speaker 13: is clearly in that video hiding something.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. When I look at these

493
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Speaker 1: two little children, Orson and Oran, it's heartbreaking. Why adopt

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Speaker 1: the children only to murder them? Prosecutors believe the boys

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Speaker 1: died three months earlier, while the family was still living

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Speaker 1: at an apartment in Bakersville, California. We learned that the West,

497
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Speaker 1: who had six children in all, were allegedly very abusive

498
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Speaker 1: to the adopted children, and back in September, Oran died.

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Speaker 1: They then came up with a plan to kill Orson

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Speaker 1: and dispose of both the little boy's bodies. These facts

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Speaker 1: are painful to hear, but true. Guys, I want you

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Speaker 1: to take a listen to the current county district attorney

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Speaker 1: speaking in our cut twenty five this morning.

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Speaker 14: I'm saddened to announce that the investigation has revealed that

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Speaker 14: Orin and Orson West are deceased.

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Speaker 1: The investigation has also.

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Speaker 14: Revealed that they died three months before their adoptive parents

508
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Speaker 14: reported them missing. However, I am pleased to announce that

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Speaker 14: this week the Kerrent County Grand Jury indicted Trezell and

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Speaker 14: Jacqueline West, the adoptive parents, for the murder of Orin

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Speaker 14: and Orson West.

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Speaker 1: To Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation, is exactly

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Speaker 1: as you said. They authorities believe the boys were murdered

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Speaker 1: through three months before they were ever reported missing.

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Speaker 4: You know these people, when you have people that will

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Speaker 4: make any excuse for inaction, will do absolutely everything they

517
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Speaker 4: can to ensure that they don't get involved in the

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Speaker 4: search or have to make a statement. You're looking at

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Speaker 4: somebody that's hiding something, and you're talking that in itself.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you guys are all the lawyers, but that

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Speaker 4: in itself seems like a circumstantial situation where you're going

522
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Speaker 4: to look at these people and go, what in the

523
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Speaker 4: world is wrong with these people?

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Speaker 3: What are they doing?

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Speaker 4: I think that the DA did a great job. I

526
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Speaker 4: think that I think she must have presented some amazing

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Speaker 4: evidence to the grand jury.

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Speaker 1: What do you think they have Cheryl McCollum direct and

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Speaker 1: indirect evidence that the boys were killed three months before.

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Speaker 1: I find it interesting that they come out and say

531
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Speaker 1: the prosecutor they were killed three months before they were

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Speaker 1: reported missing. What could she have?

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Speaker 12: I think she had a lot of I think she

534
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Speaker 12: has testimony from the older siblings how the treatment was

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Speaker 12: in the house. I think they have cell phone pings.

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Speaker 12: I think they possibly have photographs. I think they've got

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Speaker 12: the statements from the neighbors saying we didn't even know

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Speaker 12: six boys or whatever over there. We never saw any

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Speaker 12: boys ever.

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Speaker 3: They've got the evidence that's.

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Speaker 12: Circumstantial, but from the canines. And they also have two things.

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Speaker 12: A statement from the mama when she says, well, I

543
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 12: know they ain't out there walking around. And then we

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Speaker 12: find out that Orrin had a fractured left leg, so

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Speaker 12: I guess he was right.

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Speaker 1: And what does that mean to you guys? A fractured

547
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Speaker 1: left leg? I mean to me, it says they were

548
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Speaker 1: horribly abused. I mean, beyon wang, what do we know

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Speaker 1: about how a little boy at this young age, three

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Speaker 1: to four years old has a fractured leg?

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Speaker 12: You know, Nana, that takes an awful lot of force

552
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Speaker 12: to break the leg of a three year old.

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Speaker 1: It sure does. What about it beyond I.

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Speaker 3: Mean that was something to us and employees often they

555
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Speaker 3: wouldn't tell us how that occurred or if that occurred.

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Speaker 3: They would never have confirmed that with us. We tried

557
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Speaker 3: to get the information, we never got it. In these

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Speaker 3: two counts of willful cruelty to a child, I would

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Speaker 3: suspect that maybe that has something to do with it.

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Speaker 3: And if you read the indictment, they believed that other

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Speaker 3: people were involved in both the cruelty to a child

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Speaker 3: and the second do we murdered church. We asked if

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Speaker 3: anybody else was detained or arrested. They weren't able to confirm.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand what that means that other people

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Speaker 1: may have taken part in the mistreatment or even the

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Speaker 1: deaths of these two children. There is no telling what

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Speaker 1: kind of hell these two little children went through before

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Speaker 1: they were finally murdered. Their lives must have just been

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Speaker 1: pure hell.

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Speaker 4: And I think we just got a glimpse into that,

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Speaker 4: didn't we.

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Speaker 15: Nancy, it's Jackie. Let me jump in here and say

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Speaker 15: Cheryl was absolutely right. Take a listen to kg E T.

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Speaker 16: A two hour interview with one of the couple's other children.

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Speaker 16: In that interview, the child allegedly made a statement the

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Speaker 16: defense council says forms the crux of the prosecution's case.

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Speaker 15: The bombshell was revealed to police about a week after

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Speaker 15: Orson and Orrin West were reported missing. Another child living

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Speaker 15: with the West family gave a statement to police saying

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Speaker 15: he witnessed one of the boys die. The child said

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Speaker 15: the other later disappeared after hearing a loud thud. That statement,

582
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Speaker 15: along with the interviews with other children, spurred a lengthy investigation,

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Speaker 15: resulting in murder charges against Trazell and Jacqueline West. In

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Speaker 15: his opening statement, the prosecutor said the boy heard or

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Speaker 15: In vomit and watched as his color faded and died.

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Speaker 15: He said the parents never called for medical health help,

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Speaker 15: but discussed keeping the death hidden. The child said Orn

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Speaker 15: West never made it to California City and Orson was

589
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 15: only there for four days. The child said he believed

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Speaker 15: Orson had been taken back to his grandmother's house.

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Speaker 1: Trizell and Jacqueline West just found guilty on five of

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Speaker 1: seven charges lodged against them, including murder. With the charges

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Speaker 1: on which they were found guilty this evil Mom and

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Speaker 1: dad are set for life plus behind bars. Will they

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Speaker 1: retry on the two dead luck charges? Probably not. Prosecutors

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Speaker 1: can already secure a life plus twenty prison sentence, but

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Speaker 1: will the judge sentence to the max? If not, a

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Speaker 1: retrial may be on the horizon. Sentencing set for July thirteenth.

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Speaker 1: Trizell and Jaqueline West behind bars. Finally, and hopefully for good,

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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,