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Speaker 1: Think about this question, who is the greatest living actor?

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Speaker 1: Who are the ten greatest actors or actresses? It's a

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Speaker 1: really tough question. Tough to put ten names on that list,

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Speaker 1: toff to decide who you leave at. But that's certainly

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Speaker 1: not the case for America's most insincere performance artist, Mike Pettz.

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Speaker 2: Do you ever wish that you had spoken up sooner,

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Speaker 2: that you would come out and publicly conceded the election

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Speaker 2: in the weeks before it got to the point that

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Speaker 2: it got to that you had said something before.

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Speaker 3: Then, Well, well, honestly, Caitlin, I I had frankly hold

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Speaker 3: all the way up to the waning days before January sixth,

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Speaker 3: that President Trump would come around on this issue. I'd

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Speaker 3: seen it many times. You talk about times that we

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Speaker 3: disagreed when I was vice president. I'd seen the President

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Speaker 3: take a hard position on an issue and then take

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Speaker 3: the opposite position and then engage in a debate back

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Speaker 3: and forth. And I'll never forget that Monday night, right

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Speaker 3: before January sixth, when he stood before a crowd in

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Speaker 3: Georgia at a rally, and I had been in Georgia

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Speaker 3: earlier in the day, rallying folks for that special Senate election,

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Speaker 3: and I remember he said, Mike Pence has got to

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Speaker 3: come through for us, and if he doesn't, I won't

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Speaker 3: like him so much. And then he paused and said, no,

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Speaker 3: no one. Thing you know about Mike is he's always

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Speaker 3: going to do the right thing. And I remember in

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Speaker 3: that moment Caitlin thinking maybe he's coming around and starting

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Speaker 3: to see that the people that had told him that

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Speaker 3: I had some authority that the Constitution simply did not

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Speaker 3: give me, nor should ever give to any one individual.

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Speaker 1: What Mike Pence is is no hero. He is one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest sycophants of our age, and he was

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's most important collaborator. When Mike Pence accepted Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's invitation to join the Republican Maggo ticket, he discorded

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Speaker 1: in an instant every principle that he said he had

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Speaker 1: believed in throughout all of his life. He willingly served

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Speaker 1: the most vile of men. Donald Trump lost the presidential election,

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Speaker 1: but Donald Trump did exactly what he said he was

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Speaker 1: going to do. Listening to Mike Pence say that he

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Speaker 1: thought Donald Trump might come around and do the right

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Speaker 1: thing is really rather extraordinary, isn't it? Is this man's

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Speaker 1: judgment so impaired, so low that he thinks that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump would come around and do the right thing. Certainly,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have the judgment to be president of the

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Speaker 1: United States. His campaign lacks any rationale whatsoever for victory.

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Speaker 1: He's a former politician looking for something to do, and apparently,

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, when you find yourself in that position,

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Speaker 1: what you do is run for president. Caitln Collins did

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Speaker 1: a great job in this interview with Mike Pence, and

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Speaker 1: she asked Mike hence the poor question that to my knowledge,

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Speaker 1: no person in the years since January sixth has ever

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Speaker 1: asked him, and it is the most obvious and low

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Speaker 1: hanging fruit out there. Mike Pence's decision to not try

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Speaker 1: it overturn the election doesn't make him a hero. It

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Speaker 1: just doesn't make him a seditionist. Mike Pence is a

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Speaker 1: king of platitudes, one of them well with a squinty

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Speaker 1: eyed fos sincerity looking into the camera talking about the

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Speaker 1: voters don't want to look in the proverbial and you've

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Speaker 1: bequit is rearview mirror. But American politics is designed around

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Speaker 1: looking in the rearview mirror. You must look in the

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Speaker 1: rearview mirror to know what's coming up behind you, to

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Speaker 1: know what dangers are lurking behind you. In order to

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Speaker 1: go forward, to stay on the road, sometimes you have

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Speaker 1: to look back. And for Americans, and more specifically, our

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Speaker 1: national leaders, it means looking back to the American Revolution.

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Speaker 1: It means looking back to the beginning of the Republic.

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Speaker 1: The United States is the font of many of the

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Speaker 1: world's greatest inventions. Airplanes, moonships had a syling. The list

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Speaker 1: goes on and on, from the Internet to the semiconductor,

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Speaker 1: to the telephone, to electricity, on and on. What would

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Speaker 1: you say is the greatest American invention? For me, it's easy.

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Speaker 1: It's the peaceful transition of power put in place in

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Speaker 1: seventeen ninety seven by George Washington when he passed the

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Speaker 1: powers of the presidency to John Adams. His successor, left

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Speaker 1: the presidency after one term when he lost the election

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Speaker 1: in a tie to a bitter rival, setting in motion

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Speaker 1: the grandest of traditions. The American people decide who America's

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Speaker 1: leaders are. It is the fundamental foundation of the country.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump made clear in twenty sixteen, with Mike Pence

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Speaker 1: at his side, that he would not accept the results

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Speaker 1: of an election that he lost, and he said it

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Speaker 1: one hundred times through the twenty twenty election. What did

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Speaker 1: the media think was going to happen? What did Mike

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Speaker 1: Pence think was going to happen? The United States is

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Speaker 1: a revolutionary republic that overthrew a king. We are steeped

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Speaker 1: in the history and mythology that America was born by

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Speaker 1: overthrowing the tyrant. What Donald Trump was saying is that

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Speaker 1: America was occupied, that the presidency had been stolen, taken

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Speaker 1: from the American people. Quite a thing to say in

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Speaker 1: a nation with three hundred million guns. Mike Pence looks

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Speaker 1: into the camera and he says, well, by January fifth,

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Speaker 1: he was hoping that Donald Trump might come around. Let

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Speaker 1: me give you an analogy to unpack that. Mike Pence

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Speaker 1: is like the guy looking at the guy who set

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Speaker 1: a bomb, and he set a clock on the bomb,

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Speaker 1: and that clock takes down day after day, hour after hour,

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Speaker 1: until by January fifth, there were only hours left to

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Speaker 1: the explosion. Mike Pence wants credit for wishing, hoping, thinking

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Speaker 1: that by the evening of January fifth, he may do

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Speaker 1: the right thing. He may diffuse the bomb he may

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Speaker 1: stop it from exploding. Here's the truth, and this is

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Speaker 1: captured on a Showtime documentary. I knew that Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: had been elected the forty sixth President of the United

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Speaker 1: States by eleven thirty PM on election night, and so

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Speaker 1: did Mike Pence, and so did every sophisticated media reporter.

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Speaker 1: In fact, by early morning, it was quite clear that

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden would win Georgia. Now, the simple truth of

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Speaker 1: the matter is everybody knew that Trump lost the election.

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Speaker 1: And the question that Caitlin Collins asked is the fundamentally

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Speaker 1: important one. What if you had said something sooner? Now,

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Speaker 1: Caleb Collins brings it back to election night. But there's

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Speaker 1: no reason Mike Pence had to stay silent since twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Mike Pence wanted power. Donald Trump was his vessel to

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Speaker 1: get it, and he took it. And now Mike Pence

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Speaker 1: wants to be regarded as a hero because he didn't

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Speaker 1: try to topple the republic. Absurd