WEBVTT - Season 06 Episode 23: How the Wind Does Scream

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<v Speaker 1>On a stormy night on the small island of Guernsey,

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<v Speaker 1>a young paranormal expert joins a skeptical history teacher to

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<v Speaker 1>the island's incredible folklore and paranormal history. As the expert

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<v Speaker 1>regales his horrifying stories, the teacher learns that we all

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<v Speaker 1>have our own truth, our own story ghosts that haunt us.

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<v Speaker 1>Starring Olivier nominated actor and former Blue Peter legend Peter Duncan,

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<v Speaker 1>co dot uk if you dare One frigid morning in

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<v Speaker 1>the early winter of nineteen hundred, Fred McLeod, chief factor

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<v Speaker 1>of the Hudson Bay fought Lyard Trading Post in Canada's

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<v Speaker 1>Northwest Territories, sat alone at his desk, attending to some

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<v Speaker 1>paperwork when the front door opened suddenly and a blast

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<v Speaker 1>of cold air whipped through the store. A man stepped inside,

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<v Speaker 1>wearing little more than a caribou hide streaked with dirt,

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<v Speaker 1>carrying a pair of snowshoes in one hand and a

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<v Speaker 1>rifle in the other. McLeod assumed at first that the lean,

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<v Speaker 1>dark haired figure was De Nay, a broad and diverse

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<v Speaker 1>group of First nationers that were indigenous to the north Lands.

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<v Speaker 1>But something about this individual was different, not least of

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<v Speaker 1>all how strangely underdressed he was for someone native to

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<v Speaker 1>a region where the mercury could drop as low as

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<v Speaker 1>minus twenty four celsius in the winter months. Fred watched

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<v Speaker 1>with a studied curiosity as the man perused the post's

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<v Speaker 1>few shelves of items, then grabbed what he needed and

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<v Speaker 1>headed up to the counter, trailing snow under his moccasins

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<v Speaker 1>as he went. Fred was about to turn the man

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<v Speaker 1>away when he reached into a small medicine pouch tied

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<v Speaker 1>around his neck and pulled out a handful of bright

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<v Speaker 1>gold nuggets. Now he had Fred's complete attention as spread

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<v Speaker 1>proceeded to process the items. He did his best to

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<v Speaker 1>get the man talking. Where was he coming from, he asked,

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<v Speaker 1>and where was he heading to? And more importantly, where

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<v Speaker 1>on earth did you find that gold? The man gave

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<v Speaker 1>little away at first, before eventually revealing that he'd discovered

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<v Speaker 1>it along the banks of the Flat River, about a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and ten miles to the north, not far from

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<v Speaker 1>where it met with the South Nahani River. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it finally hit fred. The man was Nahari himself, or Naha,

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<v Speaker 1>another indigenous group who lived mostly in the valleys and

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<v Speaker 1>hills further up to the northwest of Fort Lyard, in

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<v Speaker 1>what the Europeans called the Mackenzie Mountains. Many a strange

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<v Speaker 1>tale had been told of the giant sprawl of wilderness

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<v Speaker 1>encompassing the Mackenzie Mountains, in particular the region known as

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<v Speaker 1>Nahana Valley, a three hundred mile stretch of vast canyons, gorges,

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<v Speaker 1>and rolling pine covered hills that flanked the South Nahani

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<v Speaker 1>and Flat Rivers. Due to its positioning and unique geology,

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<v Speaker 1>the valley was completely untouched by the Last ice Age,

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<v Speaker 1>leading some to claim that despite temperatures there routinely dropping

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<v Speaker 1>below freezing for half of the year, whole sections of

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<v Speaker 1>it never froze over at all. Psalm even claimed that

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<v Speaker 1>hidden deep within it was a tropical oasis overgrown with

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<v Speaker 1>gigantic ferns and vines, where tremendous herds of moose and

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<v Speaker 1>caribou roamed, bigger and fatter than anything anyone had ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen before. There were rumors two of other creatures, giant

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<v Speaker 1>fur covered things that left eighteen inch wide three toed

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<v Speaker 1>impressions in the earth, as if whatever it was had

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<v Speaker 1>emerged from some kind of prehistoric portal that penetrated the

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<v Speaker 1>valley's floor, which led to some other world entirely. The

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<v Speaker 1>Dunae had their beliefs about it too, Stories passed down

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<v Speaker 1>from generation to generation, a bridge to a distant and

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<v Speaker 1>ancient time. They told tales of malignant elemental forces that

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<v Speaker 1>held sway over the valley, and also equally terrifying but

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<v Speaker 1>more corporeal dangers like than Akanne, a race of giant

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<v Speaker 1>head hunting wild people who were said to hide deep

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<v Speaker 1>inside unreachable caves carved high up into the canyon walls.

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<v Speaker 1>Fred McLeod had heard it all, but this was the

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<v Speaker 1>first time he'd ever seen any evidence there might be

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<v Speaker 1>gold there. Two. You're listening to unexplained, and I'm Richard

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<v Speaker 1>McClean smith. In nineteen hundred, the Hudson Bay Company or HBC,

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<v Speaker 1>was the most prominent fur trading business in Canada, with

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of posts stretched out across the entirety of the continent.

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<v Speaker 1>Fought Lyard, located on the Lyard River at the southern

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<v Speaker 1>edge of the Northwest Territories, was one of its most

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<v Speaker 1>westerly posts. It was a place which for Europeans would

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<v Speaker 1>be considered about as close to the frontier as one

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<v Speaker 1>could get. However, for those who'd been indigenous to the

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<v Speaker 1>surrounding lands for thousands of years, it was but just

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<v Speaker 1>another spot in a rich and vast expanse, of which

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<v Speaker 1>some parts were better known than others, and some remained

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<v Speaker 1>completely uncharted. For twenty two year old Fred, who like

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of his brothers and sisters identified as MATEI

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<v Speaker 1>on account of them being descended from both European and

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<v Speaker 1>First Nation heritage, this great wilderness was merely home. As such, he,

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<v Speaker 1>like anyone else in his family, would think nothing of

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<v Speaker 1>heading out into the mountains for months on end, arm'd

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<v Speaker 1>with little more than a gun and a few pounds

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<v Speaker 1>of flower. Whether they be hunting for fur or gold

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<v Speaker 1>as chief factor. However, it was also Fred's responsibility to

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<v Speaker 1>oversee all trade that came through Fort Lyard. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a position of great responsibility that had been passed down

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<v Speaker 1>to him by his father, and one which he was

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<v Speaker 1>contractually obliged to maintain, and so, despite his adventurous urges,

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<v Speaker 1>he had little choice but to simply bid farewell to

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<v Speaker 1>the young a Harny man and try to forget about

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<v Speaker 1>his curious pouch of bright gold nuggets. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>good three years later when another and a Harny hunter

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<v Speaker 1>appeared at the Fort led trading post with yet another

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<v Speaker 1>pouchful of gold. This man, too, claimed to have found

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<v Speaker 1>it while panning on the banks of the Flat River,

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<v Speaker 1>in a spot roughly five miles south from where his

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<v Speaker 1>compatriot had found his hall those few years before. This time,

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<v Speaker 1>the by then twenty five year old Fred did not hesitate.

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<v Speaker 1>Although he wasn't free to make the journey himself. Fred

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<v Speaker 1>sent word to his thirty two year old brother Willie,

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<v Speaker 1>who was living some seven hundred and fifty miles away

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<v Speaker 1>in Edmonton, Alberta at the time, explaining to him that

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<v Speaker 1>there might be a fortune waiting to be discovered in

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<v Speaker 1>the Naharani Valley. Ever ready for adventure, Willie immediately made

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<v Speaker 1>his way to Fort Nelson in British Columbia to visit

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<v Speaker 1>his and Fred's older brother, thirty five year old Frank,

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<v Speaker 1>who was also employed by the Hudson Bay Company at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Feeling somewhat less loyal toward the HBC as

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<v Speaker 1>his brother Fred, Frank agreed to accompany Willie into the valley,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it was in late nineteen oh three that

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<v Speaker 1>the two brothers made the lengthy journey up to Fort

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<v Speaker 1>Lyard before heading on to the South Nahani River. Some

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<v Speaker 1>weeks later, they arrived at Nahani Butte, a striking mound

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<v Speaker 1>of sheer limestone cliff that like an ominous giant's finger,

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly directing travelers away from the mouth of the South Nahani.

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<v Speaker 1>Here the brothers loaded their packs into a narrow canoe

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<v Speaker 1>and paddled on upstream into the valley. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>few months later when the brothers returned to Fort Lyard,

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<v Speaker 1>having only succeeded in venturing a short way into the

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<v Speaker 1>valley and failing to find anything significant. Undeterred, they headed

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<v Speaker 1>back the following year, accompanied that time by their younger brother, Charlie.

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<v Speaker 1>Months later, they returned to Fort Lyard again tired and draggled,

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<v Speaker 1>with a hellish story to tell, having managed to paddle

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<v Speaker 1>and trek along endless miles At the South Nahani River,

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<v Speaker 1>they were prospecting at one of the many creeks that

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<v Speaker 1>split off from it when they uncovered a rich deposit

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<v Speaker 1>of gold. With winter closing in, the men loaded what

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<v Speaker 1>they could into their canoe and pushed out into the water,

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<v Speaker 1>only to unexpectedly crash into some treacherous rapids. The canoe

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<v Speaker 1>capsized and they lost everything save for a small eno

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<v Speaker 1>fruit salts bottle full of placa gold, which Willie had

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<v Speaker 1>managed to stuff under a sash that he tied around

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<v Speaker 1>his waist. Proof, they said that the gold really was

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<v Speaker 1>out there. Despite the disaster of their last trip, the

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<v Speaker 1>McCloud brothers returned hardened and more convinced than ever that

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<v Speaker 1>there was a huge fortune to be found in the

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<v Speaker 1>Nahanni Valley. However, being unable to raise credit due to

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<v Speaker 1>their well known gambling habits meant an agonizing weight as

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<v Speaker 1>they worked to say what they could to take another

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<v Speaker 1>stab at it. It was sometime in nineteen oh five

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<v Speaker 1>when a man introducing himself as Robert Were, a steamboat

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<v Speaker 1>engineer from Scotland, arrived in Fort Providence in the Northwest

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<v Speaker 1>Territories to deliver supplies for the Hudson Bay Company. Weir

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<v Speaker 1>was then introduced to Fred McLeod, who had recently been

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<v Speaker 1>installed as Chief Factor of Fort Providence. While speaking to Fred,

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<v Speaker 1>Weir couldn't take his eyes off his watch, especially the

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<v Speaker 1>bright gold chain that secured it around his wrist. Noticing

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<v Speaker 1>Weir's curiosity, Fred explained that it had been a gift

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<v Speaker 1>from his brothers, constructed from the very gold they'd found

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<v Speaker 1>on their last trip into the Mackenzie Mountains. Intrigued, were

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<v Speaker 1>promptly quit his job with the HBC and boarded a

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<v Speaker 1>boat bound for Fort Simpson, another trading post about two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred miles west of Providence, where Willie and Frank were

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<v Speaker 1>living at the time. After tracking the brothers down to

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<v Speaker 1>a local inn, Weir gave them a proposition he would

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<v Speaker 1>foot the bill for their next gold hunting expedition if

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<v Speaker 1>they agreed to let him go with them. The brothers

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<v Speaker 1>took little convincing and agreed on the spot to take

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<v Speaker 1>him up on the offer. Charlie mc cloud, having had

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<v Speaker 1>enough of an adventure the first time around, neglected to

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<v Speaker 1>join them on this occasion. A few weeks later, a

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<v Speaker 1>spring was just beginning to burst, the three men set

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<v Speaker 1>off for the fabled Naharni Valley as October crept into November.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in Fought Providence, Fred mc cloud had yet to

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<v Speaker 1>receive any word from his brothers regarding their latest adventure,

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<v Speaker 1>but since both Willie and Frank were seasoned outdoors people,

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<v Speaker 1>he had little reason to panic. In Edmonton, Alberta, However,

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<v Speaker 1>younger brother Charlie, who long sinced he had a feeling

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<v Speaker 1>for this type of thing, was beginning to get nervous,

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<v Speaker 1>and when winter came and went and there was still

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<v Speaker 1>no sign of Willie and Frank, it soon became clear

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<v Speaker 1>to him that something was very wrong. In spring nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>o seven, Fred and Charlie received word about an abandoned

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<v Speaker 1>canoe found caught up in a pile of driftwood on

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<v Speaker 1>the banks of the South and the Harney River. It

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<v Speaker 1>didn't mean anything as such, but was said to have

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<v Speaker 1>borne a striking resemblance to the canoe used by the

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<v Speaker 1>brothers and Robert Weir. Then another message, as recounted by

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<v Speaker 1>writer and explorer Philip Godsell snaked its way out of

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<v Speaker 1>the wilderness and arrived eventually at Charlie's door. It involved

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<v Speaker 1>the sighting of an emaciated and haggard looking man reportedly

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<v Speaker 1>seen at the Telegraph Creek trading Post, some two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty miles southwest of the Nahanni Valley, smelling of dead,

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<v Speaker 1>rotting flesh. The man was said to have revealed that

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<v Speaker 1>he'd been prospecting for months in the wilderness with two

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<v Speaker 1>partners before they were ambushed by members of a local tribe.

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<v Speaker 1>Forced to go their separate ways, the man had spent

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<v Speaker 1>the last few months trying to get back to civilization.

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<v Speaker 1>The hideous smell, he explained, was due to the large

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<v Speaker 1>caribou he'd shot, which he'd been stead eating over the

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<v Speaker 1>last few days while sleeping inside its rancid carcass at night.

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<v Speaker 1>One night, soon after Charlie McLeod awoke from a restless

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<v Speaker 1>sleep with the complete conviction that he had to make

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<v Speaker 1>his way to Vancouver. Once there, he walked straight into

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<v Speaker 1>the nearest bar, where inside he found a heavily inebriated

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Weir loudly holding court. When Charlie demanded to know

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<v Speaker 1>what had happened to his brothers. Weir gave another story,

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<v Speaker 1>claiming that although they had been ransacked a few times,

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<v Speaker 1>they still managed to find a rich vein of gold.

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<v Speaker 1>After working it for a few weeks, however, they had

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<v Speaker 1>decided it was safer to get out while they still could,

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<v Speaker 1>in order to return with the much bigger party. He

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<v Speaker 1>and the brothers, he said, had last seen each other

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<v Speaker 1>Nahani Butte before going their separate ways. More determined than

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<v Speaker 1>ever to find the truth about his brothers, Charlie, accompanied

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<v Speaker 1>by his younger brother Donald, pert five man search party together.

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<v Speaker 1>Among the group was former Royal Northwest Mounted Police officer

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<v Speaker 1>and well respected trapper Paul Field, who, as one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first outsiders to venture into the Nahani Valley, had

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<v Speaker 1>forged good relationships with many of the First Nation people

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<v Speaker 1>who populated the region. In May nineteen o seven, the

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<v Speaker 1>team arrived at the mouth of the South Nahani River

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<v Speaker 1>and over a number of weeks steadily made their way

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<v Speaker 1>through the rivers silty et crew waters, each day taking

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<v Speaker 1>them deeper and deeper into the valley. At just over

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<v Speaker 1>thirty miles up river, a mist descended as the men

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<v Speaker 1>approached the first of the river's grand canyons, the surrounding

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<v Speaker 1>pine covered foothills giving way to a thousand meter high

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<v Speaker 1>limestone cliffs that shot up vertically from the ground on

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<v Speaker 1>both sides and on. They continued in almost complete silence,

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<v Speaker 1>save for the gentle splash of the oars as they

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<v Speaker 1>broke through the water, while the men kept their eyes

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<v Speaker 1>peeled for any sign of human activity. Then a strange,

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<v Speaker 1>high pitched whale rang out from somewhere overhead. Charlie glanced

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<v Speaker 1>nervously up toward a small line of caves carved out

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<v Speaker 1>of the limestone, perched up high ahead of them, remembering

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<v Speaker 1>all those unnerving tails he'd heard of, the mysterious head

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<v Speaker 1>hunting and cave dwelling the carne. It's just the wind,

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<v Speaker 1>said Paul, doing its best to reassure him. It was

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<v Speaker 1>sometime later when the men finally pushed through out of

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<v Speaker 1>the canyon into a wide bowl of rolling hills and

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<v Speaker 1>lush green vegetation. As they continued to paddle, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the men spotted a manufactured clearing in the trees, which

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to have been hacked back some time ago. The

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<v Speaker 1>men paddled over and jumped out of their canoes to

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<v Speaker 1>make a quick search of the area when Charlie spotted

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<v Speaker 1>an iron sled runner in the long grass. Holding it

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<v Speaker 1>up to the light, he found a message scrawled across

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<v Speaker 1>it in pencil, which read, we have found a fine prospect,

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<v Speaker 1>and Charlie's heart jumped it was his brother Willie's handwriting.

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<v Speaker 1>Finding little else of note in the clearing, Charlie and

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<v Speaker 1>his search party jumped back into their canoes and continued

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<v Speaker 1>to scour the banks of the river As they made

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<v Speaker 1>their way toward the Second canyon. They were just approaching

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<v Speaker 1>the entrance to it when they spotted another clearing and

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<v Speaker 1>what appeared to be the remnants of a long ago

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<v Speaker 1>abandoned camp. As they eased closer to the bank, the

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<v Speaker 1>full horror of the scene slowly began to reveal itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie stepped out of his canoe and stumbled forward. The long,

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<v Speaker 1>snuffed out ashes of a camp fire was flanked on

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<v Speaker 1>both sides by two spruce bough beds, each occupied by

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<v Speaker 1>s eatle remains. One skeleton lay on its back under

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<v Speaker 1>a weathered, moth eaten blanket, while the other lay on

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<v Speaker 1>its chest, its blanket twisted up around it as if

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<v Speaker 1>whoever it was who had been in a hurry to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of their bed, its right arm was stretched

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<v Speaker 1>out in the direction of what Charlie then saw was

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<v Speaker 1>a rusty rifle leaning against a nearby tree. Turning back

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<v Speaker 1>to the skeletons, it took him a moment to realize

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<v Speaker 1>that both their heads were missing. Charlie drew closer and,

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<v Speaker 1>with shaking hands, pulled back the blankets to reveal a

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<v Speaker 1>gold ring on one of the skeleton's fingers. It was

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<v Speaker 1>Willie's ring. A golden pocket watch was then spotted hanging

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<v Speaker 1>from a nearby branch, which Charlie identified as Franks. Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>looked up and all about the valley as he tried

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<v Speaker 1>to fathom what exactly had taken place there. While all

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<v Speaker 1>about were silent and still shaken by their find, Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>and the rest of the team searched the area for

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<v Speaker 1>more clues and found a number of neatly stacked crates

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<v Speaker 1>fully laden with supplies, as well as a box full

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<v Speaker 1>of large chunks of gold bearing quartz. It seemed Weir

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<v Speaker 1>and the brothers had struck rich after all, but there

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<v Speaker 1>was no sign of the missing heads. Just then, another

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<v Speaker 1>ominous shriek reverberated around the valley. Growing suddenly anxious, the

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<v Speaker 1>men hastily dug two graves for what was left of

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<v Speaker 1>Willie and Frank, and hastily clambered back into their canoes.

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<v Speaker 1>After making it back to fort Lyart, Charlie informed the

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<v Speaker 1>Royal Northwest Mounted Police about what they'd found, and a

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<v Speaker 1>short time later led a small unit back into the

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<v Speaker 1>Nahanni Valley to analyze the scene. In the end, they

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<v Speaker 1>surmised that Wea was most likely the culprit, killing his

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<v Speaker 1>partners after they struck it rich before making off with

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<v Speaker 1>as much of their find as he could carry. Or conversely,

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<v Speaker 1>they really had separated with were heading off in a

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<v Speaker 1>different direction, and the brothers perhaps dying from an illness

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<v Speaker 1>after getting stranded in the wild. As for the heads,

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<v Speaker 1>they had no answer, but Charlie was not quite convinced.

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<v Speaker 1>Both his brothers were far too experienced to get stranded,

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<v Speaker 1>and if Weir truly had murdered them, how much could

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<v Speaker 1>they have found exactly that he would have been comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>leaving so much behind. It has been reported that the

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<v Speaker 1>condition of the skeletons at the point where the skulls

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<v Speaker 1>should have been had given some pause for thought, with

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<v Speaker 1>the spines having apparently been crushed and twisted at the top,

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<v Speaker 1>as though their heads had been ripped off with brute force.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether this had occurred before or after death, however, was

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to determine. Others claimed the heads had in fact

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<v Speaker 1>been surgically removed, suggesting it was a deliberate act perpetrated

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<v Speaker 1>by whoever had killed them. It's believed that Charlie returned

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<v Speaker 1>to Vancouver at the first chance he got, hoping to

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<v Speaker 1>quiz Weir further on the ma, but the man had

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<v Speaker 1>long since moved on. In the end, the deaths were

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<v Speaker 1>classed as accidental and the case was closed. As news

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<v Speaker 1>of the grim discovery filtered through the Northwest territories and

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<v Speaker 1>out into the wider country, many began to talk once

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<v Speaker 1>more of strange mystical goings on in the Nahani Valley,

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<v Speaker 1>while others, especially those of Denay heritage, speculated that the

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<v Speaker 1>entire region was being watched over and protected by an

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<v Speaker 1>ancient vengeful spirit who had grown tired of outsiders encroaching

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<v Speaker 1>on its land. Others, like trapper Martin Jourgensen, were far

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<v Speaker 1>more interested in the bit that many people left out

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<v Speaker 1>of the story the bit about how much gold the

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<v Speaker 1>brothers had reportedly found. In time, the notion of a

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<v Speaker 1>lost gold mine also grew to mythical proportions, and in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh nine Jourgensen set out to find it. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirteen, with Jorgenson having been gone for some time,

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<v Speaker 1>a local Denay trapper named Jules arrived in Pelley, a

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<v Speaker 1>small village in Saskatchewan, with a letter addressed to one

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<v Speaker 1>Billy Atkinson. Billy was an old acquaintance of Jorgensen's who

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<v Speaker 1>just so happened to be serving a prison sentence for

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<v Speaker 1>violent assault at the time. As a result, Jules was

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<v Speaker 1>directed to Billy's wife, Mary, who, in a complicated but

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<v Speaker 1>apparently amicable arrangement, had actually separated from Billy and married

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<v Speaker 1>his friend Paul Field while Billy was in prison. Jules

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<v Speaker 1>explained to Mary and Field that he'd just returned from

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<v Speaker 1>the Naharni Valley, where he'd been accompanying Jourgensen on his

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<v Speaker 1>travels there, and then handed them the letter. Though a

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<v Speaker 1>little damp and smudged, it comprised of a hand drawn

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<v Speaker 1>map detailing the location of a cabin about a mile

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<v Speaker 1>west of the mouth of the flat River itself, about

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<v Speaker 1>eighty miles west of the mouth of the South Nahari,

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<v Speaker 1>with a message written below it that said simply, Billy,

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<v Speaker 1>come quick. I have struck it rich. With Billy's permission

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<v Speaker 1>to act on his behalf while he was locked away,

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<v Speaker 1>paul Field promptly assembled a team and headed once more

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<v Speaker 1>into the Naharani Valley in search of Jourgensen and his

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<v Speaker 1>apparent bonanza. After one failed attempt in nineteen fourteen, Field

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<v Speaker 1>and his team returned the following year, where after months

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<v Speaker 1>of arduous but fairly uneventful trekking, they soon found themselves

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<v Speaker 1>at the mouth of the flat River, inching their canoes

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<v Speaker 1>toward its gently flowing waters. A little further beyond, after

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<v Speaker 1>veering off down a narrow creek, they spotted the frame

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<v Speaker 1>of a long abandoned shelter with what appeared to be

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<v Speaker 1>a note nailed on to one of its columns. The

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<v Speaker 1>note was another message from Jourgensen, explaining to whomever might

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<v Speaker 1>find it that he'd moved on to another location and

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<v Speaker 1>could be found living in one of two cabins he'd

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<v Speaker 1>built for himself, one being located at the confluence of

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<v Speaker 1>the Flat and South Nahanni River, and the other along

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<v Speaker 1>the banks of another creek a short distance upstream from there.

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<v Speaker 1>Not wanting to miss out on the Norwegians apparent find Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>Field and his team made sure to carry out their

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<v Speaker 1>own prospecting as they steadily made their way to the

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<v Speaker 1>first of Jorgenson's suggested rendezvous points, With each day yielding

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<v Speaker 1>greater and greater amounts of gold deposits, Field grew excited

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:30.080
<v Speaker 1>at the prospect that Jorgensen was on to something. Then

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<v Speaker 1>one afternoon, on the shores of a creek about a

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<v Speaker 1>day's journey from the mouth of the flat, Field spotted

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<v Speaker 1>slash marks on a row of spruce trees lining the

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<v Speaker 1>banks of the river. Recognizing the beginnings of a human

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<v Speaker 1>made trail, he moored up beside it and followed it

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<v Speaker 1>into the forest, eventually winding up at a small clearing

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of which was a rudimentary cabin, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was no sig if Jorgensen. Field was just about

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 1>to head back to his canoe when he spotted an

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<v Speaker 1>axe in the bracken about fifty yards back down the path.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just inspecting the thick rust on its edge

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<v Speaker 1>when something else caught his eye something white and rigid

0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 1>peeking out from behind a tree. It was a large,

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<v Speaker 1>broad shouldered skeleton that he could only assume was all

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<v Speaker 1>that remained of Martin Jorgensen, and just as it had

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<v Speaker 1>been with the McCloud brothers, Jorgenson's head was also missing.

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<v Speaker 1>Field saw too that Martin's gun lay right next to

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:53.719
<v Speaker 1>the remains of his body, cocked and loaded. It was,

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<v Speaker 1>he thought eerily, as if Jurgensen had been stalking something

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 1>through the trees, hadn't even had time to get his

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>shot off before it got him. Paul Field stared out

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 1>into the silent stillness of the forest beyond, at the

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<v Speaker 1>row upon row of pines that stretched out before him,

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<v Speaker 1>merging into a distant, hazy darkness, and for the briefest

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<v Speaker 1>of moments, as a chill ran up his spine, he

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<v Speaker 1>had the absolute certainty that he was being watched. And

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<v Speaker 1>with that Field and the others buried Jorgensen's bones and

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<v Speaker 1>paddled out at the valley as quickly as they could.

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<v Speaker 1>No satisfactory cause for Jourgensen's death was ever found in

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<v Speaker 1>Hammerson Peter's twenty eighteen book Legends of the Nahani Valley

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<v Speaker 1>by far and away the most comprehensive detailing of the

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<v Speaker 1>many stories associated with the region. It is said that

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<v Speaker 1>at some point in nineteen twenty six, but then forty

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<v Speaker 1>year old Charlie McLeod was visiting a trading post just

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<v Speaker 1>outside of Edmonton in Alberta, when he spotted a man

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<v Speaker 1>browsing fox pelts who looked oddly familiar. The men eventually

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<v Speaker 1>got to talking without really introducing themselves, and soon found

0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 1>their discussion turning to the mysterious tales of the Nahanni Valley.

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<v Speaker 1>Before long, the man began talking about two brothers who

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<v Speaker 1>he'd apparently accompanied into the valley many years before, who'd

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<v Speaker 1>both met with the sticky end. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, leaning in closer, it was me who buried

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<v Speaker 1>those fellows. Only then did Charlie realize who the man

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<v Speaker 1>it was, Robert Wea. Having also then realized who he

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 1>was talking to, Wea is said to have bolted from

0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 1>the shop, leaving Charlie scrambling once more for his whereabouts.

0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>After a tip off, he is said to have eventually

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 1>tracked him down to a small farm just outside of Viking, Alberta.

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<v Speaker 1>As the story goes, Wea is said to have seen

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie approaching his home, at which point he made a

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<v Speaker 1>run for the barn and bolted himself inside. A shot

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<v Speaker 1>was then heard, but before Charlie could enter the barn

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<v Speaker 1>to investigate, it promptly went up in flames. The remains

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<v Speaker 1>of Weir's body were later found among the ashes. After

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<v Speaker 1>returning a few more times to the Nahani Valley in

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<v Speaker 1>the hope of determining what exactly had happened to his brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>or indeed the rich seam of gold they'd apparently found

0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 1>their Charlie McLeod eventually gave up the ghost. He died

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<v Speaker 1>in Coquitlam, British Columbia in nineteen sixty nine. Others tried

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<v Speaker 1>to find the gold too, with many also losing their

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:26.759
<v Speaker 1>lives in the process in often strange and unusual circumstances.

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<v Speaker 1>To this day, although the memory of the Mcloud's unsettling

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:36.280
<v Speaker 1>story lives on with new names such as dead Men's

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<v Speaker 1>Valley since being bestowed on the place where their bodies

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<v Speaker 1>were found, the mystery of their deaths remains unexplained. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy two, Pierre Trudeau's government designated Nahanni Valley a

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<v Speaker 1>Canadian National Park outlawing for good all serious prospecting in

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