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Speaker 1: This series is inspired by true events. The stories you're

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Speaker 2: Student Body of Mount Pine Principal Palumbo. Here, remember tonight

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Speaker 2: is the homecoming game and tomorrow night is the homecoming dance.

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Speaker 2: Please conduct yourselves like the young ladies and gentlemen that

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Speaker 2: that's it. Have fun and let's go Mountaeers.

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Speaker 1: It's October nineteen eighty five and we're juniors at Mount

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Speaker 1: Pine High School. I cannot wait for the homecoming game

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Speaker 1: and dance. I'm going with Lance Simpson. We've been going

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Speaker 1: it was whatever about the dance.

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Speaker 3: It was the game I couldn't wait for today.

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Speaker 1: Lance is fifty two years old, married kids, and has

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Speaker 1: a lawn cunning business. Back in nineteen eighty five, he's

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Speaker 4: Like I said, the homecoming game was what I was

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Speaker 3: But man, after that game, nothing was the same ever.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Clark. This is The Murder Years, Episode four, Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: It's Friday, October fourth, nineteen eighty five and our homecoming

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Speaker 1: game is against our number one rival Northgate. They've beaten

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Speaker 1: is going to make this homecoming game extra crazy. My

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Speaker 3: I wanted to talk football.

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Speaker 1: You know, at halftime we're losing. The second half of

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Speaker 3: One by one field goal, but we ate one man.

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Speaker 3: That felt great. We finally beat Northgate.

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Speaker 5: So after the game, I headed over to the to

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Speaker 1: My good friend Carla is on the dance team with

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Speaker 5: As I was walking over there, I could see some

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Speaker 5: Then all of a sudden, it's a full blown fight.

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Speaker 1: It's total chaos. Teachers and parents rush over to try

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Speaker 5: That macho shit was so immature. I was ready to

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Speaker 1: That's the same place where Lisa Anderson used to work.

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Speaker 1: You may remember her tragic murder from episode one. I

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Speaker 5: I think I bought some gum and ice cream in

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Speaker 6: Minutes later, nine one one, what's your emergency?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god?

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Speaker 6: Sit, help, what is happening?

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Speaker 7: Where are Buddies?

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Speaker 4: There's so much blood?

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Speaker 9: Oh my god, she's pleading.

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Speaker 7: She's pleading a lot. Who's bleeding?

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Speaker 8: My co worker?

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Speaker 4: Hi friend, Heygod.

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Speaker 9: Becoming Charlotte pign.

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Speaker 1: It's around ten pm when Mount Pine police and paramedics

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, that murder haunts me, and I couldn't believe.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it was a regular, normal kind of night. I

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Speaker 1: At that time. Eighteen year old Charlotte Murphy is a

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Speaker 10: Charlotte bless her Heart was four and a half months pregnant,

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Speaker 1: Angie tells police the guy was wearing a black sweatshirt,

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Speaker 4: As Angie was giving me her statement, an officer came

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Speaker 3: God damn, I hated that part of the job.

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Speaker 4: Just then I turned around and saw this young man

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Speaker 3: It turned out to be Charlotte's parents.

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Speaker 1: Mary and Samuel Murphy had Charlotte when they were in

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Speaker 3: I asked them if they'd come to the station with me.

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Speaker 1: At Mount Pine Police Station, the Murphy's followed Detective Wallace

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Speaker 11: You know, when you fall on your back and you

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Speaker 11: that's how I still feel. I remember I was just begging,

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Speaker 1: Charlotte's mother Mary does most of the talking to Detective Wallace.

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Speaker 4: I told them it looked like a robbery, but I

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Speaker 11: I told the detective we were not happy when Charlotte

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Speaker 1: Mary and Samuel Murphy are at Mount Pine Police talking

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Speaker 11: The father, well, he didn't want her to have the

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Speaker 1: The father of Charlotte's baby is eighteen year old Alex Nielsen,

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Speaker 1: to everyone close to Charlotte. But first, the owner of

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Speaker 1: Buddy's Convenience Store is at the police station. Back in

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Speaker 12: Okay, So first we lost Lisa, then Charlotte, who was

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Speaker 4: But he was very upset when I interviewed him, understandably,

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Speaker 12: You know, we would get choplift or something once in

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Speaker 3: Got nothing ever like that.

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Speaker 12: We didn't even have security cameras.

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Speaker 12: Thinking about Charlotte's poor parents. He was all just so

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Speaker 3: My wife's since passed away. We didn't have any kids

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Speaker 4: I told Buddy if he thought of anything that could

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Speaker 3: Said he would, then he left.

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Speaker 4: But first we needed to start with the father of

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Speaker 7: Well, it was just the most awful thing to happen.

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Speaker 7: I couldn't process that Charlotte and the baby were dead,

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Speaker 7: and it made me wonder what had we in Mount

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Speaker 7: believe this, but in that moment, I could believe that

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Speaker 13: Maybe I still do after all these years, after all

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Speaker 4: I asked the Pots about Alex, and they both said

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Speaker 13: But we were very upset when Charlotte got pregnant. And

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Speaker 13: don't even get me started on how upset Alex's parents

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Speaker 1: Detective Wallace tells the Pots he'll need their phone number.

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Speaker 7: I wanted to know why was Alex to suspect there

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Speaker 7: was no way he could have done anything to Charlotte.

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Speaker 7: They were in a good place, all things can. He

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Speaker 7: had been working at my husband's shoe store and would

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Speaker 6: Oh, and he.

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Speaker 7: Had an alibi. We were all at the homecoming game

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Speaker 1: Detective Wallace then brings in eighteen year old Alex.

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Speaker 4: Alex was upset, but seemed to be cooperative. There was

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Speaker 4: said he couldn't think of anyone who would want to

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Speaker 4: I may have more questions, but they were free to go.

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Speaker 1: Just twelve hours later, it's Saturday night, and word has

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Speaker 1: is in shock. There's talk of canceling the homecoming dance.

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Speaker 5: I didn't even want to go to the dance, and

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Speaker 5: I mean I didn't want to make it about me,

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Speaker 5: left Buddies. I could have been killed that night too.

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Speaker 5: I honestly felt like it was all too much.

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Speaker 1: To everyone's surprise, school officials decide not to cancel the dance,

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Speaker 1: my friends and I ditch our dates and hang out together.

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Speaker 3: Everyone was dressed up, but no one was dancing.

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Speaker 8: We wanted it to be a fun night. We wanted

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Speaker 8: to be talking about winning the game, our corsages, or

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Speaker 8: where we went to dinner. But all we could talk

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Speaker 8: about was what happened to Charlotte. They should have canceled

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the dance is really weird. Then it gets even weirder.

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Speaker 1: Alex walks into the gymnasium. He's at the dance, and

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Speaker 14: I was thinking, holy shit, Alex came to the dance

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Speaker 14: with a date. I mean, I think everyone thought the

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Speaker 14: last place he should be is at the dance, like

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Speaker 14: he should be home crying or devastated or something.

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Speaker 1: And dude, he was with Ellen, eighteen year old Ellen Grover.

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Speaker 1: Everyone is looking around at each other, like, what the hell?

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Speaker 1: The girl is striking the type that gets discovered by

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Speaker 1: a model scout. She's every high school boy's dream. You know,

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Speaker 1: he was dating Ellen? How could he?

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Speaker 6: She was one of Charlotte's friends.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm thinking maybe Alex and Ellen are at

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Speaker 1: so how can we say, right? I mean, they aren't

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Speaker 1: at all. I think everyone feels the same, and we're

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Speaker 1: all completely fixated on them and whispering about them. And

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Speaker 1: after a few songs, Alex and Ellen end up leaving.

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Speaker 4: So Saturday night I was going over interviews and trying

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Speaker 4: to retrace Charlotte's steps that day leading up to the shooting.

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Speaker 4: Sunday morning, I heard from the coroner the cause of

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Speaker 4: and the shot to her torso killed her unborn baby,

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Speaker 4: a girl. Almost immediately it was determined the weapon used

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Speaker 4: was a twenty gait shotgun. Our team dusted for fingerprints,

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Speaker 4: a buddy's and gout at least thirty five. I mean

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Speaker 3: In and out of there all day long.

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Speaker 4: There was a partial print on the counter where Angie

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Speaker 1: In the days that follow detectives talked to Charlotte's friends

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Speaker 1: and family, including her boyfriend before Alex. They investigate all

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Speaker 4: It was two weeks after the murder. We got a

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Speaker 4: call from the owner of High Stakes pawn Shop over

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Speaker 3: Then someone just came in who pawned a shotgun.

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Speaker 2: And because I heard about the shooting and buddies, I

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Speaker 1: About thirty minutes later, Detective Wallace gets to High Stakes.

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Speaker 1: He's greeted by the owner.

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Speaker 4: He told me a guy came in wanting to pawn

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Speaker 4: a shotgun. I asked him to show me the gun,

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Speaker 4: but not to touch it. He showed me by the

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Speaker 4: counter where it was emph It was a twenty gage shotgun.

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Speaker 4: I asked what the guy looked like for his personal information, ID,

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Speaker 4: address and phone number are required when you pawn something.

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Speaker 4: The owner said he was a white guy, but couldn't

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Speaker 4: remember much what he looked like. He handed me the

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Speaker 4: record book. It said Jesse, but the last name was

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Speaker 4: hard to read. I thought it looked like the last

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Speaker 4: I asked him about the surveillance video. It was a

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Speaker 4: pawn shop, right, So we went in the back and

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Speaker 4: he queued it up there he was at the counter.

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Speaker 3: This guy might just be our killer.

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Speaker 1: Detective Tom Wallace is at high stakes pawn shop reviewing

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Speaker 1: security footage of the guy who may have pawned the

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Speaker 4: So I was watching this fuzzy, grainy, black and white

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Speaker 4: I could see he arrived and left in a white

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Speaker 1: Detective Wallace takes the video, the contact information, and the

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Speaker 1: through the system. He's looking for a Jesse, last name

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Speaker 3: We got a hit. Jesse Grover, twenty.

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Speaker 1: Year old Jesse Grover. He dropped out of Mount Pine

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Speaker 1: High School three years before. I heard he was a

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Speaker 3: So a few officers went down to his house.

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Speaker 4: He was living with his parents at the time, and

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Speaker 4: they asked him to come down to the stae talk

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Speaker 1: Jesse arrives at the station. He's about five to nine, dark,

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Speaker 1: greasy hair. His clothes looked like he'd slept in them

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Speaker 1: for weeks, and he reeks of pot. A policeman brings

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Speaker 1: Wallace with his interview. Looking back over his notes, Detective

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Speaker 1: Peters takes me back to that day.

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Speaker 9: Jesse Grover looked nervous and a little out of it.

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Speaker 9: I asked him where he worked. He said he didn't

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Speaker 9: him how he spends his days.

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Speaker 3: Mostly hang out.

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Speaker 9: I look for work here and there. Then we told

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Speaker 9: him we wanted to know more about the shotgun he

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Speaker 9: pawned at high stakes. It wasn't registered in his name,

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Speaker 9: where to get it, and why did he pawn it.

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Speaker 9: That's when he asked, do I need an attorney? We

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Speaker 9: and agreed to continue. Okay, the gun was my dad's,

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Speaker 4: Jesse said the gun was his dad's, and he pondered

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Speaker 4: without him knowing. I asked him why he needed the money.

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Speaker 4: He got weird. I told him we didn't care if

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Speaker 9: Yes, I needed the money for weed.

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Speaker 3: I spoked a lot of weed and wanted beer.

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Speaker 9: I then asked him where he was that Friday night,

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Speaker 3: I want my parents and a lawyer.

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Speaker 9: Well, he was twenty years old, so he didn't have

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Speaker 9: So Jesse's parents arrived in about an hour with an

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Speaker 4: He then said these words and it was odd. He

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Speaker 9: The attorney piped up this interview was over and told

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Speaker 4: He said he couldn't keep it in any longer. He

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Speaker 4: I asked him what he was talking about. Then he

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Speaker 4: started sobbing. He said, she made me do it. She

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Speaker 4: told me it would be a good way to get money.

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Speaker 4: She told me to scare her and maybe she'd miscarry.

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Speaker 3: He was sobbing. At this point I got freaked out.

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Speaker 3: It just shot.

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Speaker 9: It was an accident. We asked him who he was

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Speaker 9: want to Misscary? He said Ellen. Ellen made me do

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Speaker 9: it because of Alex. They were dating and she didn't

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Speaker 9: want Charlotte to have his baby. She didn't want me

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Speaker 3: I asked him who is Ellen, and he yelled out

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Speaker 9: Well the room erupted. Jesse was fine, His parents was

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Speaker 9: speechless and confused. The lawyer was trying to get everyone

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Speaker 3: In the middle of all this chaos.

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Speaker 4: I asked him if Alex knew about any of this,

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Speaker 3: I think it was a Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: In any case, it was a school day, so that's

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Speaker 1: About twenty minutes later, police descend on Mount Pine High School.

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Speaker 1: I remember seeing them pull up, unmarked cars and patrol cars.

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Speaker 1: It was like a movie. In the main office, police

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Speaker 4: Officers split up and went to their classrooms at the

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Speaker 3: But when they went to get Ellen, she wasn't in

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Speaker 3: Spanish class.

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Speaker 1: We're obviously all freaking out looking through that little window

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Speaker 1: in the classroom door, trying to see anything we could.

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Speaker 1: The teacher is telling us to get back to our.

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Speaker 6: Seats, get back in your seats.

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Speaker 1: Cops are running through the school, going room to room.

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Speaker 1: It was insane.

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Speaker 4: After about ten minutes, we found Ellen in the home

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Speaker 4: neck room, just sitting there one of the sewing machines.

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Speaker 4: We read her rights, placed her under arrest and put

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Speaker 4: her in another police car.

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Speaker 9: There were so many people in the station we had

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Speaker 9: almost every interview room in use.

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Speaker 1: Detective Peter stays with Jesse and his parents to wait

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Speaker 1: for Alex's host parents, the pots.

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Speaker 9: Jesse wasn't room with his parents in their attorney. Then

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Speaker 9: when Ellen arrived, she was brought into another interview room,

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Speaker 9: and because she was a minor, her parents and attorney

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Speaker 9: left Jesse and went to her.

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Speaker 4: That's when we were informed Ellen would not be answering

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Speaker 4: any questions.

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Speaker 9: And we had Alex an interview room two with his

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Speaker 9: host parents, Karen and Thomas Potts. It was chaotic. Host

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Speaker 9: mom Karen talks.

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Speaker 7: I told the detective. We called Alex's parents in Denmark

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Speaker 7: and they advised us to tell police he wouldn't be

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Speaker 7: answering any questions until they arrived in the States. But

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Speaker 7: they wanted detectives to know that Alex was innocent, he

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Speaker 7: wouldn't do anything to hurt Charlotte or the baby.

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Speaker 4: We took that with a grain of salt. I mean,

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Speaker 4: what did Alex's parents had Denmark know. They didn't even

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Speaker 4: know their kid got I'm girl pregnant. At this point,

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Speaker 4: we were pretty sure of Ellen and her brother Jesse's involvement,

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Speaker 4: but Alex's role, if any, was not as clear. Because

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Speaker 4: he was not a US citizen, had a passport, and

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Speaker 4: was a flight risk.

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Speaker 3: We kept him on a forty eight hour hold.

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Speaker 1: Jesse Grover is arrested and booked on a felony murder charge.

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Speaker 1: That's because Charlotte was killed during the commission of the

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Speaker 1: armed robbery, which is a felony, and he's held without bail.

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Speaker 1: Police decide to hold Ellen for forty eight hours, hoping

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Speaker 1: that buys them time to find more evidence they can

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Speaker 1: use to formally arrest her as an accessory.

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Speaker 9: So a few hours later we get a call. During

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Speaker 9: Ellen's medical evaluation, we learned she too was four months pregnant.

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Speaker 9: Was stunned. I didn't see that coming. That made me

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Speaker 9: think about what her brother, Jesse said that she wanted

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Speaker 9: him to scare Charlotte so she would miscarry. She didn't

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Speaker 9: want Charlotte to have Alex's baby because she was having

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Speaker 9: Alex six's baby. She was jealous. That pointed the motive.

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Speaker 1: Late the next night, Alex Nielsen's parents arrive in the

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Speaker 1: States and they come with news the government of Denmark

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Speaker 1: can't do anything to keep their son from being charged

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Speaker 1: with a crime and going to trial in the United States.

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Speaker 1: The following morning, Alex's lawyers encourage him to speak with

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Speaker 1: the police.

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Speaker 3: So we got word that Alex wanted to talk, and

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Speaker 3: he did.

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Speaker 4: He told us everything he knew, like how upset Ellen

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Speaker 4: was that she and Charlotte were both having his babies,

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Speaker 4: and how Ellen was obsessed with coming up with way

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Speaker 4: as Charlotte could carry, but he never took her seriously.

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Speaker 4: He offered to take a polygraph test, which he passed.

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Speaker 1: The DA decides not to charge Alex with anything, but

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Speaker 1: they charge eighteen year old Ellen Grover with felony murder, conspiracy,

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Speaker 1: and various weapons charges, and Ellen, like her brother Jesse,

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Speaker 1: will be held without bail. Almost one year later, the

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Speaker 1: trial begins. Ellen Grover and her brother Jesse Grover will

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Speaker 1: be tried together. After five days of testimony and one

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Speaker 1: day of deliberations, the jury returns with their verdicts. For

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Speaker 1: Jesse guilty, He's sentenced to life with the possibility of

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Speaker 1: parole after twenty five years, and for Ellen, also guilty,

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Speaker 1: sentenced to life with the possibility of role after twenty

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Speaker 1: five years. Everyone in town is relieved when the trial

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Speaker 1: is over. But that's the only relief anyone feels.

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Speaker 3: All these lives destroyed, and for what Because of some deranged,

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Speaker 3: jealous young girl.

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Speaker 1: Angie the cashier that night, could never bring herself to

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Speaker 1: work in a store again. Today she's a private dog trainer.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 10: I was so glad that jury came back with guilty verdicts.

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Speaker 10: But I'll tell you that was never going to bring

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Speaker 10: back that poor sweet girl. And I will never be

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Speaker 10: able to get that gruesome image out of my head.

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Speaker 11: I never got to see my little girl as a mom.

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Speaker 11: I never got to meet my granddaughter. Oh maybe she

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Speaker 11: would have grown up to be a beautiful.

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Speaker 6: Dancer just like herm.

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Speaker 11: And let us not forget that there was another baby

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Speaker 11: who was collateral damage in all of this.

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Speaker 1: The trial is over, the healing can begin. Alex Nielsen

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Speaker 1: and his parents fly home to Denmark and he never

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Speaker 1: returns to the US again. But the tragedies in Mount

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Speaker 1: Pine don't leave with them.

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Speaker 8: I used to think all these murders were a coincidence

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Speaker 8: or bad luck, you know, I mean, bad things happen

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Speaker 8: all the time in places like Mount Pine, but there

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Speaker 8: were just too many.

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Speaker 3: I changed my mind.

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Speaker 1: Next time on The Murder Years.

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Speaker 13: Nine one one.

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Speaker 7: What's your emergency?

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, my daughter, she's gone.

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Speaker 1: A Valentine's Day turns tragic.

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Speaker 11: I asked him if I could come in and ask

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Speaker 11: him some questions, but he told me, in no uncertain terms, no,

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Speaker 11: without a search warrant, I couldn't come in.

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Speaker 1: Who killed Victoria?

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Speaker 3: I've never done anything to wood child, any child. I

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Speaker 3: never did anything to her.

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Speaker 1: The Murder Years is a production of AYR Media and iHeartMedia.

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Speaker 1: Executive producer Elisa Rosen for AYR Media, co Executive producer

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Speaker 1: Paulina Williams. Written by Leah Rothman, directed by Michael Seltich.

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Speaker 1: Original concept developed in partnership with Anne, Margaret Johns and

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Speaker 1: Greg Spring. Casting by Eisenberg Beans Casting Senior Associate producer

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Speaker 1: Eric Newman, Associate producer Jill Pushesnik. Editing and sound design

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Speaker 1: by Tristan Bankston, Mastering by Cameron Taggie, Audio engineering by

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Speaker 1: Matt Jacobson, Studio engineering by Jay Brannan. Music by Nathan Bankston.

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Speaker 1: Legal counsel for AYRS Gianni Douglas, Executive producer for iHeartMedia,

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Speaker 1: Maya Howard. Performances for this episode by Gabrielle Carteris as

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Speaker 1: Nancy Clark, Kelly Deadman as Tatiana, or La Cassidy as Melanie,

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Speaker 1: Maricilda Garcia as Carla, Annie Abbott as Mary Murphy, April

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Speaker 1: Adams is Karen Potts, Charles Carroll as Buddy Wilcox, Charles

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Speaker 1: Carroll as Prosecutor Blythe Dathan B. Williams as Detective Peters.

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Speaker 1: Desiree Rodriguez is nine one one, Operator H. Richard Greene

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Speaker 1: as Detective Wallace, James B. Kennedy as Young Principal Palumbo,

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Speaker 1: Julie Frankel as Angie Foster, Steve Felice as Lance Simpson,

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Speaker 1: Tamil Adams as young Anngie Foster. Additional voices by Sarah

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Speaker 1: Zuk and Alex Salem