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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What's up, party people,

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Speaker 1: It is Draft Day. Yes, it's me Jason back entire

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Speaker 1: straight Fire for Thursday, April twenty nine. Draft Day kind

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Speaker 1: of feels like Christmas Day. And we had a big

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Speaker 1: trade at Quasi big trade on Wednesday ahead of the draft.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a second. I just want

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Speaker 1: to tease our guest. You know him well. He played

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Speaker 1: in the NFL for the Cardinals, Vikings Rams defensive back

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Speaker 1: Corey Chavis, smart guy out of Vanderbilt. He started a

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Speaker 1: uh a draft Nasty magazine dot com where he dives

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Speaker 1: into all the prospect It's good stuff. I checked it

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Speaker 1: out and we agree on some stuff. Obviously, it's good

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Speaker 1: to get healthy disagreement. We have some of that. Not

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Speaker 1: to the level of the scout we had last week.

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Speaker 1: There was too much disagreement there, but I think you'll

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. Corey jervis real smart URP guy. We even, yes,

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Speaker 1: we had to mention a draft guy. It's never too

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Speaker 1: early for the way, way way way way too early

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Speaker 1: mock draft. But I just want to say I personally

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Speaker 1: people love them. You know, it's easy clicks, it's an

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Speaker 1: easy talking point, and it is fun to look back

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Speaker 1: And again, it's very difficult. A year in advance, the

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Speaker 1: projective is going to be good. So why do it?

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Speaker 1: Because it's fun. People like talking about it. Oh, well,

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Speaker 1: the draft next year, who's gonna stink, who's gonna be good?

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Speaker 1: Who could be a guy that you know everybody looks at.

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Speaker 1: Who could be that dude? Who are we gonna monitor

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Speaker 1: So you know you do with I'm looking at the draft.

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Speaker 1: So Trevor Lawrence obviously was a layoup. Pen A Sewel

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Speaker 1: And then the chatter is just too big for me

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Speaker 1: Before we get to Corey Javis. So this Bridgewater deal,

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Speaker 1: So anyways, fun interview coming up next with Corey Chavis

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Speaker 1: and folks, I can't wait for tomorrow show. The post

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Speaker 1: make it appointment listening for now, though. Enjoy Corey Javis.

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Speaker 1: Jason likes to think he knows everything when it comes

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Speaker 1: to sports. I know what sports dance want. But for

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Speaker 1: Let's welcome into straight fire. A guy you definitely know

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Speaker 1: Vikings Rams now runs a draft website. It's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: You gotta check it out. Draft Nasty Magazine dot com.

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Speaker 1: Corey Cevis, Corey, how you doing, man, man? I'm good man.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing today? I listen, I'm fired up.

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Speaker 1: It's uh, it's draft week. This is the big time.

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Speaker 1: This is when like years of work and I know

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Speaker 1: earlier now, Jason, then let's say then fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: about that uh cafeteria incident in high school where he

427
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Speaker 1: essentially started a riot? And what about the hazing stuff

428
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Speaker 1: at Penn State. And I'm not saying he's a bad guy.

429
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just going off. You know, he

430
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Speaker 1: that's part of his history, you know, that's part of

431
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Speaker 1: his bio. How do you handle Corey when you've got

432
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Speaker 1: some off the field stuff, and like do you put

433
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Speaker 1: it in like, oh, this is I'm not drafting him

434
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: at all, or this is a minor stuff, youth indiscretions.

435
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 1: I fully admit I did stupid stuff when I was young,

436
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: But then again, nobody's investing millions in me at the

437
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Speaker 1: age of one. Uh So I don't know, no, no,

438
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Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. I mean in terms of

439
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Speaker 1: when I say I agree, I think that those things

440
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: are things you have to take into the consideration. Even

441
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Speaker 1: if a ranking and guy in terms of the character

442
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 1: when it comes to you know, that would go under

443
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: our category of football like Q that doesn't just simply

444
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: revolve around your I Q and intelligence on the field.

445
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: It has to kind of impart if you're grading that

446
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 1: characteristic some of the off the field stuff. However, I

447
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: do think that you do want a guy with a

448
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: little bit of I don't know, just um whatever you

449
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: got in your tank. You know what I'm saying that linebacker.

450
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't really want a nice linebacker. I mean, you know,

451
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: I just don't. I'm sorry. So, and remember it's draft nasty,

452
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 1: so we're looking for players with nasty and so he

453
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 1: has a little bit of that. Now, I think that

454
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,239
Speaker 1: the hazing incident is a little bit more of a

455
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: concern from a publicity standpoint. And you know this, you

456
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Speaker 1: come into the locker room, that's the first question on

457
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: draft night if you take this guy too high. So

458
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Speaker 1: I think I think he will slide a little bit.

459
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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's the middle of the first round,

460
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 1: it could all the way be you know, late first round.

461
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Speaker 1: But I think that in terms of just the the

462
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Speaker 1: ability and what he's capable of becoming, I think it

463
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: can be pretty good. Yeah. I'm not calling him Vantes

464
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: perfect by any stretch, but you know, two two small

465
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: things that I think teams have to ask themselves. Listen, Corey,

466
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: this is one of those years where you can't do

467
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 1: as much homework, you can't meet the guy and hang

468
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Speaker 1: out and spend a lot of time with him. You know,

469
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: anybody can fake the funk in a zoom interview right

470
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: right and looked apart for a minute. But what as well?

471
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Speaker 1: I mean you got the same kind of you know,

472
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Speaker 1: situation with him as well. So I completely let's talk

473
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Speaker 1: about mac Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, and I think

474
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Speaker 1: he's a guy that's matured from his incident. You know,

475
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Speaker 1: but I think ultimately you have to factor that in,

476
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, when you have the guy

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Speaker 1: go through what he went through. Um, even though some

478
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Speaker 1: people make a consider a minor but I think that

479
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: you're talking about him being a first round pick, so

480
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: I had to kind of weigh that in. You know,

481
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Speaker 1: the same thing with Parsons as you do with those guys,

482
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Speaker 1: and I think he ended up pretty know, relatively high

483
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: as well Mac Jones, So I think that I think

484
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with with all of these guys

485
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Speaker 1: when it comes down to any of the field concerns. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a mac Jones guy at all. I personally

487
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Speaker 1: I don't see it. Um and listen, people who really

488
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: listen to the podcast regularly know that, Oh man, Jason,

489
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: you just blast Mac Jones every day. I don't. I

490
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: don't care as much about a d U I when

491
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Speaker 1: he was so young as I do. Just the fact

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Speaker 1: that as a football player, Corey, you know, this was

493
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: the perfect storm for him. Right. The SEC was as

494
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: bad at this as it's been in years. Okay, given

495
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: COVID and l s U was a train wreck. Auburn

496
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: ended up firing their coach like the SEC was down

497
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Speaker 1: and he had Mac Jones had more All Americans on

498
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: his offense than the Big ten and the Big twelve combined. Like, dude,

499
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Speaker 1: he's dropping back in exclusively clean pockets. He's got two

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Speaker 1: first round picks, a wide receiver. Uh you know before

501
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: Waddle got hurt, just dusting everybody, Naja Harris behind him,

502
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: Like this was the perfect storm. How many times, Corey,

503
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: have we seen alab quarterbacks look really awesome? Do you

504
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: want me to remind people what mel Kiper was saying

505
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: about a J. McCarron coming out Alabama. Oh, yeah, he

506
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: could be a starter in this league. And like he's

507
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: had like three starts in five years. He's not a

508
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: starter these Alabama guys, and I know him. I'm going

509
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: off here. Where are you on? Listen? This Alabama team

510
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: is stacked. And people will say, well, Jay, you could

511
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: say the same about Ohio State. No you can't. It's

512
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 1: they're not nearly a stacked Alabama gets the best recruiting

513
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: class every freaking year they do, and and and that

514
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: that's kind of I mean, we can make the argument

515
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Speaker 1: that even some you could say, name with Christian Barmore,

516
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Speaker 1: is he going to translate Nagierra's uh, and then you

517
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: have to kind of start evalue waiting, Okay, well, how

518
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: how will Deonce Brown go? Was he that good of

519
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: a guard? You know? How high will Alex leatherwould go?

520
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: How you know he was the Outlet Trophy winner. So

521
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: I think you have to start breaking it down to

522
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: those parts and and kind of evaluating it from there.

523
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Speaker 1: And I think you make a great point from that perspective,

524
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Speaker 1: because we can't forget about then Dickerson, who was a

525
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: spectacular center as well in the interior of their offensive line.

526
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Speaker 1: But when you look at Mac Jones, the game that

527
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: impressed me had nothing to do with this season, much

528
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: like Joe Burrow. If you go back to team Burrow

529
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: struggled against Auburn and in the fourth quarter the intestinal

530
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: fortitude he came out led them down the field after

531
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: just playing horribly. That's right, right, Well, that that was

532
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: You're exactly right with Mac Jones. But I was referring

533
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Speaker 1: to the Borough game the year before that, when Joe

534
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: Burrow had that happened against Auburn, and that's the game

535
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: that you just mentioned, Jason. The two pick sixes from

536
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Speaker 1: Mac Jones also against Auburn the next year. That kind

537
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: of showed you what this kid had inside of him,

538
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: because he threw the two pick sixes. And don't forget

539
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: that he came back and threw four touchdowns in that

540
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: game and they only lost by five. So I think

541
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: that that type of performance. How does the guy bounce back?

542
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: How are these guys on third down? You know, that's

543
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: a big question. How many sacks do these guys take?

544
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: Something that you have to evaluate with the quarterback position.

545
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: You start talking about sacks. That's why teams have reservations

546
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: with Justin Fields, holding the ball in the pocket a

547
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: little bit too long, getting on through that, you know,

548
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: second and third progression. Those are things that big reason

549
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: why he had to fumbles in twenty nineteen. Uh, Justin Fields,

550
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: this kid didn't put the ball on the ground much

551
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: Mac Jones in terms of fumbles. That's a big thing

552
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: to look at as well, And a lot of that

553
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: stuff kind of translates. So and from an accuracy standpoint,

554
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: he's pretty accurate. Yeah, Um, how about let's go back

555
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: to defense real quick. There's a kid, uh from the

556
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: Miami Hurricanes, Greg Rousseau, who you know every year I

557
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: do a mock draft right after the actual draft, and

558
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: last year, Rousseau was like top five. I had him,

559
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: and then I look and like everybody else has in

560
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: top ten and this guy's a superstar. He opts out

561
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: and then he goes to test and his teammates, the

562
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: kid Phillips, just blew him out of the water. It

563
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: was like Russou had been sitting on a couch not

564
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: work it out when he opted out and just thought

565
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: he could coast into the draft. And I don't know

566
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Speaker 1: what you're hearing about Russo, but there's a chance he

567
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: doesn't go in the first round simply because his pro

568
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: day was awful, even though his tape in twenty nineteen

569
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 1: was off the church good. Absolutely, I think you're right

570
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: on point again, uh, with with this whole comparison, Phillips

571
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 1: moving up, Russau falling down a little bit of a

572
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: fallacy with us because we still have Russau eighth overall. Uh.

573
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Speaker 1: And I think one of the things you have to

574
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: be careful of when you're evaluating players, even in their

575
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: pro days, everybody doesn't unwind the same, so some guys

576
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: will be able to get into what their movements are.

577
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: Quicker people tend to forget this got six seven and

578
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: he's two hundred and sixty six pounds. You know, you can't.

579
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Speaker 1: You know, one thing that that that didn't hurt him

580
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: on the pro day was eleven inch eleven inch hands,

581
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: And another thing that didn't hurt him on the pro

582
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: day was eight three inch wings man, and he ran

583
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: on the for a seven. He was for six. So

584
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: I mean again, not an explosive with the thirty inch vertical. Uh,

585
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: the four or five shuttle says he might not be

586
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: able to bend. You watch the video. The guy lines

587
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: up over the center as a zero technique, he lines

588
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: up as a three technique, evensive tackle over the guard

589
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: on third downs. You know, he lines up at both

590
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: defensive and spots. Now, he has some room to grow

591
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: in terms of secondary pass rush counters, you know, being

592
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: able to have a second move after your first move

593
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: is taken away. But he keeps guys at bay so

594
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: easily with those with his arm link. And I think

595
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: he's pretty good against the run setting the edge. So

596
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: he's again he's not gonna unwind as quickly as Phillips.

597
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: But Phillips, you take him. Are you sure he's gonna

598
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Speaker 1: stay healthy. I mean you're talking about an unbelievable amount

599
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: of injuries. This kid is young, He's got room to grow.

600
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Speaker 1: And I think you'll look back on the draft and

601
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: your original mock that you had. You may end up

602
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: being right. Yeah. I think that that's how it usually works.

603
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: And then you know, you get in your head when

604
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: you hear all this stuff and see stuff, and people

605
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: try to influence you, but you're right usually the first instinct.

606
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: My parents taught me that when I was young. Hey,

607
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: follow your first instance. Stay away from that kid. You

608
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: know he's not a good kid. I want to wrap

609
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: up here with um one more guy on defense, just

610
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, you play defense in the NFL. I'm sure

611
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: you've seen the stat Jason oh Way, another kid at

612
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: a Penn State and again preface it, another kid who

613
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: works with LaVar Arrington. Um, Jason Away had zero sacks

614
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: this season and he's an edge rusher, and everybody said,

615
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: come on, where's the production? But then, like you said,

616
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: with russo, you look at the measurements and oh Way

617
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: tests like Ivan Drago and Rocky four. I mean, the

618
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: guy is a machine and it's like, well, how do

619
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: you handle that? And the best thing I had heard

620
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: was hey, Jake, go look up um. I think his

621
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: name is Danielle Hunter, who is in the NFL. He

622
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: went to l s U and had one and a

623
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: half sacks and people were like, I don't see the production.

624
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: He's had a pretty damn off some career off the

625
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: edge of the NFL. So where are you on O

626
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: Way and you know a guy with zero sax who

627
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: rushes a pastor. Well, I think for him, we we

628
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: we we weren't as high as everybody else on away

629
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: and I think that he can become a good player.

630
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: But remember, let's go back to the Neil Hunter, the

631
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: guy you just mentioned. What round did he go in?

632
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: That's the key. Yeah, so that's where you've gotta be careful,

633
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, Okay, so you gotta say,

634
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: is the Neil Hunter one of one? And I think

635
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: that's what you have to kind of, I mean, because

636
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: we could go with there's a number of guys who've

637
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: had good workouts, they did not make it, you know

638
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I do think from that perspective,

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Speaker 1: there are some things I would have liked to have

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Speaker 1: seen away have one more year with Sean Spencer. Remember

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Speaker 1: when Spencer was there, who's the now the defensive line

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Speaker 1: coach for a Giant And I'm I'm I know Sean

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Speaker 1: and I think he does a hell of a job.

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Speaker 1: But when he was there, the kid had five and

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Speaker 1: a half sacks or five sacks the year before and

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Speaker 1: five tackles for loss or whatever this year. You know,

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Speaker 1: you may be adjusted to a new coaching style. That's

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Speaker 1: something that might be a little bit different. But I've

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Speaker 1: seen him play all over the place that they've had

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Speaker 1: him at a two point standing up. I think he's

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Speaker 1: got to speed up the process on some of the

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Speaker 1: line games and stuff that you have to do in

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Speaker 1: terms of being able to on the moves when they're

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Speaker 1: asking you to do something. That's where the rawdness kind

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Speaker 1: of shows up for me. And I don't think he

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Speaker 1: plays again. I'm probably one of the guys that actually

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Speaker 1: want to go see him play in the live game.

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Speaker 1: You know. I've seen him play live two times in person,

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Speaker 1: and never did I leave the games saying, wow, you

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Speaker 1: know that got you know what I mean? So sometimes

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Speaker 1: he was right, and that's kind of what you were

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Speaker 1: talking about earlier. When you're putting on even if you're

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Speaker 1: putting on some some video. You want to have a

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Speaker 1: guy kind of stand out. Uh, not to say this

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Speaker 1: guy won't turn into a pro bowler, has all the tools,

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Speaker 1: but he's got some you needs some refinement. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: Corey Javis obviously check out his draft Nasty Magazine. Good stuff, Corey.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations on your success and uh enjoy the draft. Congratulations

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Speaker 1: on all your success man, I'm a big fan of yours.

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Speaker 1: And keep up the great work man. And and I

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Speaker 1: can't wait for the draft. I know you can't either. Yeah, alright, Corey, Thanks,

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Speaker 1: thank you,