WEBVTT - That is Mahogany! 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:06.200 Can we talk about how the remix of Jennifer Lawrence 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:14.080 singing the no but No But I do remember once 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:16.239 being in an uber on a way to a party 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:29.080 and that song came on. It's so bad. Welcome to 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:31.040 Like a Virgin, the show where we give yesterday's pop 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.400 culture today's takes. I'm Rose, damn you, I'm Fran Toronto, 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:38.080 and we have some breaking news. And Fran, I don't 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:40.840 know if you've even seen this. We did not talk 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:46.400 about it in advance, but the Madonna biopick has been canceled. 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:53.320 Oh my, that is hilarious. Because I was at Sinance 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.120 this weekend, which we'll talk about Charlie. I talked to 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.240 multiple industry people about the Madonna bio pick two separate 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:02.160 conversations abou this biopic, and someone said to me, well, 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:03.360 what do you think is going to happen with And 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.560 I was like, I don't think it's gonna happen. I 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.000 think that Madonna. If you look at the history of 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:12.280 Madonna movies and just unfinished Madonna projects in general, there 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:16.480 are many that have been abandoned because she's so impossible 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.640 to work with, which like she deserves to be impossible 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:21.760 to work with right, like she's earned her shore to 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.960 an extent. But h I mean you also called this too. 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.080 I feel like you didn't think it was like, it's 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:31.160 not it's I have been saying for years at this 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:34.520 point that this film which Madonna was going to direct 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:39.080 herself was never happening. Um, but it is official according 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.720 to Twitter. It's not happening. But what I will say 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:45.520 is I still would like to see a limited series 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:50.680 about the Madonna boot Camp. Yes, actually, um, girls, so 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.400 tell me about Sundance. Sundance was great. I've been to 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:57.000 Sundance before. Have I told you about this? No? Um, 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:03.680 I went to Sundance twenty years ago in fifth grade. What. Yeah, 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:07.040 My my trans cowgirl aunt, who I think I've talked 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.359 to you about before. He was an architect and she 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:14.280 had like she had built a house for Robert Redford. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:16.799 I'm not a Nippo baby, by the way, listeners, Um, 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.240 she just like got the hook up. My aunt is 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.160 like she lives in a shack in like the middle 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:24.000 of fucking podunc newhere, Colorado, like a shock that she 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.840 built herself. But she like was like, oh, um, Robert 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.359 Redford like my um nibbling so to speak. I hate. 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.200 Actually I just used the term nibbling to describe a 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:35.440 young me, and I actually hate that term. Can we 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.200 say this now, like there has to be a better 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:42.520 gender neutral term between nephew and niece than nibbling, Like 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:47.880 that's it's rotted, Like it's disgusting. I've never used that terminology. 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:51.919 I never would. That's disgusting. But you you, but you 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:56.919 yourself have a nibbling. I have a nephew for now, 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.360 for now, as I said, as I said at his 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:04.680 Zoom gender reveal, for now, yeah you did, um okay, 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.520 So anyways, Um, basically she was just like, oh, yeah, my, 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:12.200 you know, my net niece, um wants to be a filmmaker. 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:14.080 I want to take them and like literally brought me 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:17.760 and my cousin to Sundance so that we could like 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:21.080 watch movies and and all that stuff. Totally wild, but 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.520 like the an amazing, incredible memory as a kid, and 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:28.239 I think to go back with like TRIPLEI fun obviously 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.399 because I could go to all of the crazy parties 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.240 that come along with Sundance. So what is Sundance like 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:38.120 I've never been you know, Um, I would describe it 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.480 similar to I mean, it's just it's just a film 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.280 festival that kind of takes place across Park City, which 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.120 is this like you know place in Utah that has 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.520 an extremely high elevation and therefore is like covered in 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.640 snow this time of year. UM, And it's super magical 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:57.040 and very like hyperlocal and small, very crowded. UM probably 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.160 has the same crowd that you might find it like 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.440 a south By Southwest or like an Aspen Gay Ski Week, 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.520 which like I've been to both, and that just basically 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:10.240 means that they're white and affluent and have expendable income. 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.760 So sometimes there are some like really annoying people that 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.760 you're surrounded by, and then you're also surrounded by a 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:21.040 lot of like cool like filmmakers and artists who are 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.320 there because their films are there. Did you spot Anne 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:30.000 Hathaway who was so stepmother at Sundance this year, the 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.640 kind of step mom you want to fuck? She? I 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.920 did not see her. I'm so bummed that I would 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:38.119 say that um Kesha was probably the most famous person. 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.760 I was in proximity too, but I did sad. It's 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.479 really disappointing. I was looking for her, for sure, But 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:48.680 I I did see Meredith Marks like four different times, 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:51.440 like she was at every other party that I went to, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.440 And at a certain point I was like this is weird, 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.960 Like you are the queen of Sundance, I guess, um, 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.520 And yeah, she had like a party in like her boutique, 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:06.560 which is um, like she's the one with the gay son, 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.160 and her boutique is like like four square feet, like 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:13.280 it's so small, and like I we were all like 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:14.840 jam packed in there with like a bunch of other 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.320 faggots and then like Jonathan Bennet, like I was just 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:21.440 like what's going on? Um? I saw some really cool films. 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.200 There's only one that I like really want to talk about. Um, 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:30.440 this documentary that soon everyone will hear about called Cocoma Documentary. Okay, 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.880 I'm going to go to the bathroom, just kidding, Okay, 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.560 but actually I think that's a good setup because it's 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.960 a documentary that you know, if you read the log line, 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:42.200 it's like a doc about black trans sex workers across 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.760 the country, and on paper, it's kind of like a 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.680 talking head doc. And you know, you and I we've 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.599 worked in queer media for a while, and like we've 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:55.719 reported on a lot of things related to just ongoing 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.440 violence and sex work and all this all this different stuff, 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.480 and so I think I kind of went into it, 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.080 and I think a lot of people probably went into 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:07.159 it having a certain idea in their head of what 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:11.200 a documentary about black trans sex workers would be. And 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:16.440 then in the first sixty seconds of this film completely 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:21.320 like surprises you, and it's like a completely different movie 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:23.240 than what you think it's going to be. It is 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:30.400 so funny and so nuanced and so artful, and like 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.360 I think that you know, similar to our conversations about 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.479 like Pretty Woman and Zola a while back, it's like 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:40.240 it like perfectly illustrates like the like what's like mundane 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.440 about sex work, Like what's like ridiculous about sex work, 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.480 what's terrifying about sex work? And messes it all up 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:50.520 just like by way of talking to these women and 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:54.600 hearing like how brilliant they are. And then also like 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:59.960 without giving too much away interviewing people that hire sex workers, 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:04.160 and without like centering them at all, like the art 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.960 of the camera it like doesn't show their faces, and 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.400 like just on the filmmaking level and on the music 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.960 supervision level, the movie was so good and the woman 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.320 who directed it, who obviously was also black, and trans 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.160 which is to me the reason why this film was 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.440 like so far and beyond different than any other I'd 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:24.600 seen in like the trans doc space or even trans 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:29.080 filmmaking space. Um she used to work in music and 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.600 was like I think she used to do like music 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.360 stuff for like Andrea the Thousand Sierra or whatever, and 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.840 then when she transitioned, she lost all her work and 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.440 she was homeless for I think years, she was telling 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.720 us at the talk back, and so this doc was 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:43.760 like part of the art that she was like making 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.200 to figure out like what her next step in art is, 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.080 and she is going to be famous. Her name is 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.080 d Smith. Everyone should like check out this dock like 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.200 the second it's available to them. Truly, it's so thought 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.600 sounds fabulous, and I will take your word for it 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:02.560 and probably watch it, even though I'm very anti documentary. 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.120 I'm trying to think of like any other highlights from 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:08.000 the weekend, but like I was basically just like driving 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.560 around and like in snow and like being bundled up 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:15.120 and like waiting outside of like parties like cold, the 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.640 phone's miserable and hanging out of the Chase Sapphire Reserve 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:26.520 lounge lovely. Um Well, speaking of snow and ice, I 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:33.400 wanted to take a quick little detour into corner Um. 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.200 So I know, I know that as a family we're 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:40.120 still reading man Hunt. I'm reading it very slowly, but 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:44.760 I did read and literally one sitting the other night, 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:51.920 a gay hockey romance. What was it giving? Was it 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:55.959 giving YOURII on ice? Yeah, but but sexier and about 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:59.600 hockey um. And it was called Heated Rivalry. It's part 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:05.000 of a series of gay hockey fiction and it was 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:07.680 recommended by someone I follow on TikTok and I read 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:11.000 it in one sitting, and it's about these two hockey 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.600 players who get drafted at the same time and have 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.240 this sort of media driven rivalry. But like as soon 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.079 as they meet there into each other and they secretly 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:24.760 fuck for years, um, and then like eventually fall in love. 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.440 And it was a very good way to spend an evening. 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:33.280 The sex scenes were really hot, and I definitely recommend 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:36.640 it if you're just looking for some gay porn to 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:40.160 read it basically you're looking for some porn to read, 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.560 you can set some emotional gay porn. Yeah, I mean, 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.920 I'm always looking for something to kind of like fill 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:50.000 the hole that your on ice Um used to occupy 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.840 it because I just like, well, I wish I could 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.880 experience that series for the first time over and over again. 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:59.320 I know same. It's really no thoughts had empty, just vibes, 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.840 which was really what I was looking for. What else 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.160 have I been enjoying recently? I want to make a 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.480 case that you should watch The Last of Us? Have 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:12.240 you heard anything about it? I've seen people talking about it, 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:15.400 and I've been seeing how pedro pedro pscal what is 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.920 that his name? Um, I've been seeing like everyone thirst 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.560 over him, and I yeah, I probably will watch it. 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.240 What's it about? So it's a zombie show. It takes 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:27.760 place in a post apocalyptic world in which you know, 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:31.040 the society has fallen due to a zombie plague. It's 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:35.280 adapted from a video game series and in and in 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:40.600 this iteration um, the zombie plague is a fungus that 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.960 has taken over humanity. So the zombies are very like 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.559 the zombies heads have like split open and like mushrooms 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:51.200 and fungi are sprouting from them. And they're also like 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.640 part of a hive mind that's connected through like scores. 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.679 That's cool, so they like they can like sync up 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.920 and like communicate with each other. Yeah, it's like they're 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.720 these threads that connect them. So if you like step 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.680 on one a mile away, a bunch of a bunch 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.760 of the zombies will know, and we'll know where you 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:12.440 are and then we'll come running to get you. Um. 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:16.640 So the so from what I've heard, it's very faithful 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.840 to the video game. There's almost like a prologue in 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.920 the first episode where Pedro Pascal, who's the main character, 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:27.080 it's about how his life for the Outbreak started, and 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:31.400 you follow his daughter and like get kind of her 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.959 point of view of like things starting to be weird 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.000 and how things went awry. Um. And I don't want 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.280 to spoil it for you, so I won't say more 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.880 than that. But then it jumps twenty years in the 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:47.720 future to where he's now this um smuggler in what 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:51.720 used to be Boston which is now like a fascist 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.960 military state, and he and his girlfriend are tasked with 0:11:56.559 --> 0:12:01.760 um smuggling this young girl out by the Resistance. And 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.400 the show is, I guess, sort of like a road 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:08.240 trip story about them making their way across the US, 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:12.880 where like there's tons of like zombies and like raiders 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:16.760 and slavers, and Um. Even in the first episode, I 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.400 could tell that a lot of the visuals were probably 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:23.040 pulled directly from the video game, like scenes were they're 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.440 in a car and there's like people running in front 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.000 of them. It's like you can feel how that probably 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.600 was lifted directly from the game, but it's done in 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:35.679 such a like what beautifully fil mcway. The performances are incredible. Um. 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:39.640 Pedro Pascal's daughter is played by Tandy Way Newton from 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:43.760 West World her daughter, and she's so incredible. Um. The 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.679 girl who he eventually has to smuggle is played by 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:51.880 the actress from the latter seasons of Game of Thrones 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.199 who played Leona Morimont and she was also in that 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.640 Lena Duna movie. I was like, I've seen her from 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:03.319 Game of Thrones. Um. But yeah, it's really entertaining, very scary. Um, 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:07.200 you know, really good. Just Sunday Night Musty TV. I 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.520 definitely recommend it. I'm actually literally going to watch it 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.760 now because I was just waiting for someone to kind 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.839 of sell it to me. Um. Honestly, I think a 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:16.760 lot of people come to this podcast like waiting to 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.360 be sold on something. So UM. I was it was 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.120 between that or you know what else. You know, what 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.400 was on my list maybe for tonight was the Madonna 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.079 doc Truth or Dair, which I've actually never seen. Oh, 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.480 you've never seen Yes, which I've heard it's incredible. Well, 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.240 it's you know, it's been in the culture a lot 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.440 because the video Madonna put out last week to announce 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:41.679 her Yes the World tour. Yeah, it's that that video 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:45.520 is modeled after Truth or scene in Truth Their Dare, 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.400 in which Madonna plays Truth Their Dare with her backup dancers, 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:50.679 which is a little weird now considering that a lot 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:54.240 of those backup dancers ended up suing her. There was 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.040 there was like they felt really like abandoned by her 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.760 and a lot of that process. Um, but it was 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:04.760 a really strange video of her and Amy Schumer and 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:11.240 Jack Black and a lot of people queen and yeah, 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.120 Meg Stalter looked very confused as to why she was 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.400 there being Bob the drag queen. Um. There was like 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.160 there was one of their little Wayne, Yeah, little Wayne. 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.520 There was one. Oh. Um, Kate Berland like like these 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:28.160 people like what is the checks? The check? Yeah, I mean, 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.800 I'm I'm happy for the folks that were in the movie. 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.360 I'm just like thinking about like Madonna, it's just like 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:35.960 I guess I can only speak for like Twitter people, 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.920 like people who are very online that like this like 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.280 mishmash of celebrities is like so random, Like the only 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:46.040 thing they have in common is like maybe a kind 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:49.280 of gay following that you know, have proof of, like 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.880 viral popularity. In some way. It's just weird for that 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:57.840 Madonna thinks she needs something like that to sell a 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:01.080 world tour. Like Madonna can literally we just say I'm 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:04.440 going on tour. I guess that it's a cute little 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.800 announcement thing and like it's fine. I don't mind that 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.640 it exists, but it's just it was weird. I just 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:14.240 think that Madonna is like kind of you know, rather 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.000 has been like in her flop era for like a 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:21.160 few albums, and I will flop eras like so pejorative 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.840 and like country like I just like she used to 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:27.600 be for like decades, someone who truly did have her 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.360 finger on the pulse of the culture right, Like she 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:34.040 was good at sniffing out subculture, at seeing what's cool, 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:37.600 at like taking like creators and underground DJs or whatever 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:41.000 and putting them into her work. And then those people 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:45.640 transcend into greatness along with her right, Um, I'm giving 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.920 her a lot of credit in this very sweeping summary 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:52.120 of her, but like in this era specifically, like her 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:56.120 instincts just like don't smell right like and her well, yeah, 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:59.400 it's it just feels very out of date, Like yeah, 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.600 I mean Anna, it's Madonna used to create culture and 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:06.400 now she chases culture. That is the problem. But the 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:10.360 thing is where Madonna has always excelled far and away 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:15.280 is in performance, and so I have faith that she 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:19.000 will create something really exceptional in these live tours, as 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:22.480 long as it's not all fucking TikTok remixes of her 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:26.120 greatest hits. And I haven't bought tickets yet, but I 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.200 really want to get my hands on tickets because when 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.480 I saw Madonna for the Madam X tour, it was 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:35.080 the best concert I've ever seen. I cried through like 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.640 half of it. I it was such a it was 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:45.280 such a profound theatrical experience. I it was amazing. And 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.280 like the album, I did like the album, but the 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:54.040 tour really brought it alive to me in a different way. Wow, 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.400 are you alone and liking the Madam X album? I 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.760 feel like not a ton of Madonna people liked that album. 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:03.280 I think the real Madonna heads do appreciate it. Okay, 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.399 that's good to know. I honestly can't wait to do 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.400 our Madonna episode one day so that I can give 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:11.400 like some of these other albums to close listen. But um, yeah, 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.120 I I honestly really want to see her the show 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.320 as well. Like, honestly, someone listening should figure out how 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.199 to get us free tickets because like she famously doesn't 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:22.240 do her hits at concerts right like she'll she'll she 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:25.400 she does, she does them, but she does she does 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:31.239 them in new interpretations, like like mixes and stuff like 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:36.240 not not even necessarily remixes, but just like in different contexts. 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.199 One of the most moving moments of the amount of 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:44.359 X tour was she performed Frozen, but she wasn't. Like 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.040 there was a video on stage of her daughter Lords 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:51.679 dancing that was the like instead of Madonna performing like 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:55.840 that was the performance and it was so like transcendently 0:17:56.040 --> 0:18:00.920 like indescribably beautiful and touching. Um, oh my god, I 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.560 want to see her again so badly, but I'm going 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.200 to need her to take that grill out. So that's 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:11.399 where we don't get like spit on as an audience. Yeah, exactly. 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:14.960 So I was home visiting my family last week and 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:20.159 did catch up on some of the Oscar movies, just 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.080 knowing that, you know, the nominations were about to come out. 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:25.480 And that's not true. I actually I watched The Menu, 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.000 which I had already seen, and every and we had 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:29.840 to keep telling my mom to cover her eyes with 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.840 the quote unquote scary parts scary part um. But then 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:36.040 my mom and I watched The Bandshees of Innisharin and 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:43.399 it is so good. I was gooped and gagged. And 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:48.280 this is coming from someone who hated Three Billboards, like 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:52.919 walked like wanted to burn the theater down after I 0:18:52.920 --> 0:19:00.840 saw it. It is so beautiful and funny and uh 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:05.160 like sad and weird and like it is weird right 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.280 like it it's touching. It would be really fucking weird. 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:11.920 It's very weird. But it's such a good movie, with 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:19.280 such fantastic performances, amazing music, incredible cinematography. It just I 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:21.640 loved it, and I was not expecting to love it, 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.240 I really I Yeah, I wouldn't have expected you to 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:26.600 like it either. I honestly, it's going to take a 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:29.080 lot to get me to watch that movie. It does 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.639 not have the bones of something that I want to 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.639 watch in a movie, but your endorsement of it is 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:38.720 quite That's like a pretty high endorsement. Um much more 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.800 than the Academy. That is, although I am shook that 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.280 the Academy nominated everything everywhere, all at once, the most 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:48.000 out of any other film like that is such a win, 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.600 I'm not surprised. I I think that was. I think 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:56.879 the tide has turned enough that that was. I was 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:03.040 not worried that that film wouldn't get the recognition it deserves. 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:04.600 I was just trying to change the topic to the 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:07.120 fact that there are a lot of movies on here 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.720 that definitely are on here more than they need to be, 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.680 even if they're only on here once. For example, Avatar 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:16.760 The Way of Water. No Avatar deserves it's Best Picture nomination. 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:18.679 Can I just talk to you about the fact that 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:21.280 I did, in fact see Avatar The Way of Water 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:23.920 in IMAX? So you did, Yes, I saw it. Oh 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:27.200 what did you think? Because we still haven't talked about 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:30.520 it because you didn't see it. I I don't even 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:34.360 know what I can say that would make a productive conversation. 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:37.440 But I definitely think that the movie delivered pretty much 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.520 exactly what it promised, and therefore I can only be 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.439 so snobby about it, you know what I mean? Like 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:50.080 I thought the movie was to me so rudimentary and 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:55.360 so inanely stupid at times. But the movie is like 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.359 ostensibly for like children, or rather like the movie is 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:02.480 just like for the whitest human possible audience in existence, 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.520 like literally in the history of like film mic reception 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:08.919 ever um is like their goal, you know, like James 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:11.360 Cameron literally just has a different goal than like all 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:14.360 other filmmakers, right, Like God, I just did the movie 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:15.679 is not for me. It's just not for me. And 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:17.600 I did want to walk I wanted to walk out, 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:22.560 and I did not need disease. Sigourney Weaver as a teenager, 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:27.600 as a teenager like like getting stoned, rolling around in 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:32.480 nature and like all of those stunts too, song imagining 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:40.760 her like getting stung by a jellyfish, like it's so crazy, 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:45.159 Like I and I love, we love Sigourney Weaver to me, 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:49.000 Like my response was, just like you have to have 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:52.159 more pride in yourself as an actor than this, like that, 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:56.560 like if I was Sigourney Weaver and James Cameron was like, Yo, 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:58.760 you made my first movie such a huge success. I'm 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.160 gonna throw you a bone by making you this fifteen 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:04.600 year old girl rather this fifteen year old non binary 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:07.640 novv um because they did kind of have this kind 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:11.760 of like faggy haircut. Um. I would have been insulted. 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:14.639 If I was Sigourney, I would be like, what like 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:18.919 rerite insulted because there he's making her a main character 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:21.680 in one of the biggest movies in the world, literally 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.359 like the Third Growth, the third highest grossing film of 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:28.119 all time. I think Fran like, yeah, I get I 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:30.919 get it, but like it it's not like it's not 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.439 like she said no, like she's signed up to do that. 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:36.719 I know, but that's but it's so distract It was 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:41.040 so distracting to me. Um. Yeah, I love the whale though, 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:45.119 love the whale, Love the whale, also love um uh 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:48.679 Kate Winslet's daughter being like such a baddie that like 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:51.640 there's one when she's introduced she like flips her hair 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:55.000 over her ears. That's like so um, I want to 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:58.280 say anachronistic, but it's it just feels like very out 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:00.359 of place. In the world that there is no it 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:02.920 was giving. It was giving like Bond Girl like it 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:07.720 was it was giving, Like who that girl the Kate 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:11.040 Winslet's daughter from the Water Tribe is Claudia from Interview 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:16.320 with a Vampire? No way, Oh my god. That honestly, 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:18.320 I mean, I'm not going to be the one to 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.119 like have all the nuanced conversations about Avatar because like 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:23.560 I think intellectualizing that movie in general is just like 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:29.160 such a waste of time, Like like, why the criticizing 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:32.000 this movie at all? It doesn't fucking matter because it's 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:34.320 going to still make billions of dollars. But like for me, 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:37.800