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Speaker 1: Can we talk about how the remix of Jennifer Lawrence

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Speaker 1: singing the no but No But I do remember once

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Speaker 1: being in an uber on a way to a party

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Speaker 1: and that song came on. It's so bad. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Like a Virgin, the show where we give yesterday's pop

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Speaker 1: culture today's takes. I'm Rose, damn you, I'm Fran Toronto,

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Speaker 1: and we have some breaking news. And Fran, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you've even seen this. We did not talk

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Speaker 1: about it in advance, but the Madonna biopick has been canceled.

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Speaker 1: Oh my, that is hilarious. Because I was at Sinance

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Speaker 1: this weekend, which we'll talk about Charlie. I talked to

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Speaker 1: multiple industry people about the Madonna bio pick two separate

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Speaker 1: conversations abou this biopic, and someone said to me, well,

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Speaker 1: what do you think is going to happen with And

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Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think it's gonna happen. I

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Speaker 1: think that Madonna. If you look at the history of

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Speaker 1: Madonna movies and just unfinished Madonna projects in general, there

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Speaker 1: are many that have been abandoned because she's so impossible

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Speaker 1: to work with, which like she deserves to be impossible

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Speaker 1: to work with right, like she's earned her shore to

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Speaker 1: an extent. But h I mean you also called this too.

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Speaker 1: I feel like you didn't think it was like, it's

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Speaker 1: not it's I have been saying for years at this

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Speaker 1: point that this film which Madonna was going to direct

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Speaker 1: herself was never happening. Um, but it is official according

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Speaker 1: to Twitter. It's not happening. But what I will say

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Speaker 1: is I still would like to see a limited series

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Speaker 1: about the Madonna boot Camp. Yes, actually, um, girls, so

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Speaker 1: tell me about Sundance. Sundance was great. I've been to

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Speaker 1: Sundance before. Have I told you about this? No? Um,

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Speaker 1: I went to Sundance twenty years ago in fifth grade. What. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: My my trans cowgirl aunt, who I think I've talked

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Speaker 1: to you about before. He was an architect and she

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Speaker 1: had like she had built a house for Robert Redford.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a Nippo baby, by the way, listeners, Um,

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Speaker 1: she just like got the hook up. My aunt is

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Speaker 1: like she lives in a shack in like the middle

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Speaker 1: of fucking podunc newhere, Colorado, like a shock that she

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Speaker 1: built herself. But she like was like, oh, um, Robert

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Speaker 1: Redford like my um nibbling so to speak. I hate.

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Speaker 1: Actually I just used the term nibbling to describe a

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Speaker 1: young me, and I actually hate that term. Can we

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Speaker 1: say this now, like there has to be a better

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Speaker 1: gender neutral term between nephew and niece than nibbling, Like

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Speaker 1: that's it's rotted, Like it's disgusting. I've never used that terminology.

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Speaker 1: I never would. That's disgusting. But you you, but you

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Speaker 1: yourself have a nibbling. I have a nephew for now,

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Speaker 1: for now, as I said, as I said at his

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Speaker 1: Zoom gender reveal, for now, yeah you did, um okay,

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Speaker 1: So anyways, Um, basically she was just like, oh, yeah, my,

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Speaker 1: you know, my net niece, um wants to be a filmmaker.

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Speaker 1: I want to take them and like literally brought me

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Speaker 1: and my cousin to Sundance so that we could like

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Speaker 1: watch movies and and all that stuff. Totally wild, but

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Speaker 1: like the an amazing, incredible memory as a kid, and

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Speaker 1: I think to go back with like TRIPLEI fun obviously

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Speaker 1: that come along with Sundance. So what is Sundance like

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Speaker 1: I've never been you know, Um, I would describe it

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Speaker 1: similar to I mean, it's just it's just a film

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Speaker 1: So sometimes there are some like really annoying people that

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Speaker 1: kind of step mom you want to fuck? She? I

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Speaker 1: say that um Kesha was probably the most famous person.

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Speaker 1: like what's going on? Um? I saw some really cool films.

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Speaker 1: this documentary that soon everyone will hear about called Cocoma Documentary. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the bathroom, just kidding, Okay,

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Speaker 1: but actually I think that's a good setup because it's

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Speaker 1: a documentary that you know, if you read the log line,

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Speaker 1: then in the first sixty seconds of this film completely

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Speaker 1: it like perfectly illustrates like the like what's like mundane

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Speaker 1: d Smith. Everyone should like check out this dock like

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Speaker 1: We're going to be diving deep into the Hunger Games today.

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Speaker 1: Who would win in a fight between NATII and Catness Everdeene?

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Speaker 1: Who's Terry, Zoe Sell, Donna, Zoey Sell, Donna, Okay, definitely Zoe.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure she would really intimidate Catanus with all of

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Speaker 1: her like hissing and guttural moans. Because she literally had

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Speaker 1: sorry again. This is why I think it's like I

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Speaker 1: think James Cameron is looking stupid. It's like all Zoe

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Speaker 1: had to do with this movie was like I was crying, like,

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Speaker 1: don't you wish she had no other lines? Don't you

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Speaker 1: wish that there was a blue Donald Sutherland and Avatar

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Speaker 1: talking about him? Donald Southern would be amazing. He should

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Speaker 1: have played the fifteen year old non binary. Yes. So

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Speaker 1: I have a sort of um process that I go

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Speaker 1: through every year around this time, which is that during

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Speaker 1: the holidays, I do a rewatch of all the Harry

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Speaker 1: Potter movies and all the Lord of the Rings movies

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Speaker 1: because to me, those are Christmas films. Well, I mean

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Speaker 1: the Lord of the Rings literally the day the Fellowship

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Speaker 1: is formed is on Christmas Day. Canomically, you know, you

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Speaker 1: know how like when you open up streaming services during

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Speaker 1: the holidays is like here's the Christmas section, Like someone

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Speaker 1: needs to sponsor you and be like these are roses

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Speaker 1: quote unquote Christmas will Actually this year did like a

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Speaker 1: big Harry Potter Christmas thing. They had you know those

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Speaker 1: videos where you can watch a fireplace burn and just

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Speaker 1: like put it in the background. Is like ambient noise.

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Speaker 1: They had a Harry Potter version of that one. It's

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Speaker 1: like it's the fireplace in the Griffin door common and

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Speaker 1: then like serious his face comes out of it. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I did. I did like fast forward through it to

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Speaker 1: see if they or any fun lettle you can throw

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Speaker 1: like flu powder, if there's a flu powder green and

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Speaker 1: it um. So I watched those during the holidays, and

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Speaker 1: then when the year starts over again, I realized that

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Speaker 1: I always then go and watch the Hunger Games, which

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Speaker 1: I I do agree there's something seasonal, seasonal about them,

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Speaker 1: and I honestly a lot of people Okay, here's the

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Speaker 1: thing about Hunger Games. Hunger Games belongs in this genre

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Speaker 1: of movies where if you are in a group function

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Speaker 1: trying to decide on a movie and someone says Hunger Games,

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Speaker 1: everyone's gonna be like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, let's just

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Speaker 1: watch Hunger Games. Because we all have a certain level

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Speaker 1: of familiarity with it. Everyone has their favorites of the movies.

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Speaker 1: They're like they're wildly entertaining. They're very entertained, and production

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Speaker 1: value stands, you know, the test of time. The acting

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Speaker 1: is good. There's both stuff too, like seriously like engage

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Speaker 1: with and be enthralled by. And also you can just

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Speaker 1: like watch and commentate and make fun of it. And

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Speaker 1: also I think the reason why I watched them this

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Speaker 1: time of year specifically is like we're post holidays. Everything's

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Speaker 1: a little like bleak and depressing, and so what do

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Speaker 1: I want to watch? Um? Teen Dystopia, I mean, Dystopia

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Speaker 1: is like as a genre, films now so massively successful

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Speaker 1: every network and streaming service is, or rather maybe even

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Speaker 1: that time it's almost passed. But like so many dystopian

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Speaker 1: films in the bird Box era have like come through

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Speaker 1: as they become more and more popular, which is interesting

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Speaker 1: considering the world, the real world as we know it

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Speaker 1: is also falling apart in dystopia. It's also sort of

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Speaker 1: like comforting dystopia. Bird Box actually, like when you look

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Speaker 1: at the actual trend of dystopic media, bird Box is

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Speaker 1: kind of late in the game. So there's a very

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Speaker 1: interesting um YouTube video by Sarah Z who's a YouTuber

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Speaker 1: that I've I've brought up on here before. I really

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Speaker 1: like her video essays. She has one that's called what

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Speaker 1: Happened to Teen Dystopia, which is all about how there

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Speaker 1: was this huge trend um in the early tens of

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Speaker 1: y A dystopia. Hunger Games is the biggest one, but

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Speaker 1: there was also the Divergent Movies book and movie series,

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Speaker 1: which is what gave us Shaleene Woodley. Um, and it

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Speaker 1: followed right after, um, Twilight Mania and the Craze of

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Speaker 1: y a supernatural romance and um, that is a really

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Speaker 1: interesting video essay if you want to kind of know

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Speaker 1: more about how the team Dystopia phenomenon started and why

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Speaker 1: it ended kind of early. But even though it quote

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Speaker 1: unquote ended, it has lingered. It just has lingered in

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Speaker 1: I would say, more adult projects. And so we have

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Speaker 1: things like all all zombie movies are kind of in

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Speaker 1: a way dystopic because you know, the zombie apocalypse, like

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Speaker 1: the End of the World. Um, we have things like, um,

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Speaker 1: The Leftovers, which is like I've never watched, but I

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Speaker 1: actually kind of want to because I know that people

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Speaker 1: say it's one of the best TV shows ever, and

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Speaker 1: it's like about the Rapture also in this genre. UM.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why, but a few nights ago, the

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Speaker 1: full Moon like woke me up at six am and

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Speaker 1: I was like, what the funk? And I didn't know

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Speaker 1: what to do with my body or what to do

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Speaker 1: to use up my time. And so I started to

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Speaker 1: watch The Handmaid's Tale. Oh, but that is not my

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Speaker 1: comfort That is not a comfort watch like that is,

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Speaker 1: but that is dystopia to a t um on the

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Speaker 1: Hunger Games. Though I have to say, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if this is like I would. I really want to

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Speaker 1: watch that video essay now. But I'm thinking a lot

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Speaker 1: about what Jennifer Lawrence brings to that franchise in comparison

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Speaker 1: to any sort of like hy a action or dystopian

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Speaker 1: um movie. And I think that jen for Lawrence is

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Speaker 1: act tank like. She is so viscerally and emotionally human,

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Speaker 1: raw and reel in something that is so not real.

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Speaker 1: And I just don't think when we talk about something

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Speaker 1: like bird Box or whatever, just sopan movies aren't doing

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Speaker 1: that at all. And this is kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: this was kind of my critique when we were talking

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Speaker 1: about Bones and all that I didn't totally um fully verbalized,

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Speaker 1: but when I kept saying, it's so, it's so. I

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Speaker 1: it's like Taylor Russell, who I adore, was doing a

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Speaker 1: y a performance in a way that Jennifer Lawrence was

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Speaker 1: not in a y A franchise. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 1: I get what you're trying to say. I still we won't.

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Speaker 1: We won't get side track. Let's we're actually getting ahead

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Speaker 1: of ourselves. So um, let's talk about what the Hunger

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Speaker 1: Games is. Do we have to do though? Yeah? Well

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Speaker 1: Phoebe even our producer doesn't know so knows what it's about. Yeah, yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: so this is why we need to and so buddy

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Speaker 1: Phoebe is on them. Is like in our head funds

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Speaker 1: talking does about we also are here to educate. So

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Speaker 1: The Hunger Games is a series of books written by

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Speaker 1: Suzanne Collins. The first book came out in two thousand eight.

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Speaker 1: The subsequent books came out in two thousand and there

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Speaker 1: was a fourth book that UM was released, which is

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Speaker 1: actually being made into a movie. It's a prequel series

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Speaker 1: Hunter Shaffers in it. They also were adapted into a

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Speaker 1: film series UM. The first film came out in two

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Speaker 1: thousand twelve, and the books are set in a dystopic

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Speaker 1: version of North America in which there are twelve districts

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Speaker 1: that are ruled over by the capital. The districts in

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Speaker 1: the history of pen m which is what this you

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Speaker 1: know post a post apocalyptic um nation is called are

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Speaker 1: being punished for an up rising that was perpetrated seventy

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Speaker 1: five years ago. And this thing has been installed called

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Speaker 1: the Hunger Games, which is um part reality show, part deathmatch,

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Speaker 1: in which every year, two teenagers are reaped in a

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Speaker 1: lottery from each district and put into an arena to

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Speaker 1: battle to the death until one of them survives at

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Speaker 1: the behest of a one president snow played by old

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Speaker 1: flash Donald Sutherland, Queen Um. And so The Hungry Games

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Speaker 1: is obviously very derivative of things like Battle Royale, which

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Speaker 1: did this first. It also is somewhat derivative of The Lottery,

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Speaker 1: which is a short story that you probably read in

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Speaker 1: middle school in which there's a lottery and the person

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Speaker 1: who wins I didn't even know that gets stoned to death. Um.

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Speaker 1: And these books were immediately successful. They were huge. They

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Speaker 1: were as they filled the post Twilight space because I

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Speaker 1: guess because of the like hugely negative cultural reaction to Twilight,

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Speaker 1: in which the interests of teenage girls were seen as

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Speaker 1: frivolous and purely romantic. You know, there was so much

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Speaker 1: in pop culture about how Bella was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: like a sort of nothing heroine. She was a Mary Sue.

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Speaker 1: All she cared about was this boy who she was

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Speaker 1: in love with. Um Catness really filled that negative space

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Speaker 1: that she left of being this why a heroine who

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Speaker 1: had tons of agency and skills and like her you know,

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Speaker 1: love triangle that she was and was very secondary to

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Speaker 1: her just wanting to survive. So in the story of

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Speaker 1: the Hunger Games, Catness lives in District twelve with her

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Speaker 1: mother and her sister. At the reaping day for the

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Speaker 1: Hunger Games, her sister, whose very young, is selected. Catness

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Speaker 1: volunteers to go in her place. I volunteers tribute as

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Speaker 1: a meme that will live forever, and the boys selected

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Speaker 1: to go with her is the son of the local baker,

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Speaker 1: who is, as it turns out, in love with Catanus.

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Speaker 1: They go in the Hunger Games together and survive by

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Speaker 1: sort of manufacturing this love story because like I think

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Speaker 1: that's what makes this interesting. Is like in a lot

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Speaker 1: of the other like in something like Battle Royale, there's

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Speaker 1: not the same element of surveillance that the Hunger Games

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Speaker 1: has because the Hunger Games is, as we understand it

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Speaker 1: in the world of the books and the movies, is

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Speaker 1: a televised event that people are watching. So it's not

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Speaker 1: just it's not something that's just happening in the arena.

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Speaker 1: It's something that is a show for everyone watching. So

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Speaker 1: they survive because they create the story of them being

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Speaker 1: star cross lovers, and then this eventually leads to them

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Speaker 1: like kind of by accident, starting a revolution, and that

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Speaker 1: is what happens in the subsequent books and films. Wait

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Speaker 1: side note, Should I see Battle see Slash read Battle Royale?

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Speaker 1: Is it good? I've never I've never actually heard anyone

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Speaker 1: talk about Yeah. I read the book like years and years.

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Speaker 1: I remember, you know, when it was floating around, but

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Speaker 1: I never actually consumed it. So but yeah, same genre, um,

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Speaker 1: also familiar. It also feels a little bit like, um,

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Speaker 1: what was that Netflix? Um, Battle Royal? Squid squid Game?

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Speaker 1: It's squid gamey um. Yeah. But okay, So, I honestly

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Speaker 1: I don't remember. I was not like Hunger Games pilled.

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Speaker 1: I think I consumed Hunger Games just the way everyone

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Speaker 1: consumed Hunger Games. Like. I was just like, this is

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Speaker 1: the movie that everyone's seeing it and it looks amazing.

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Speaker 1: It's starring the most famous actress of this time, Jennifer

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Speaker 1: Lawrence and so it was her big break, right. Well,

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Speaker 1: but so Winter is her big mainstream break, right she

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Speaker 1: was non native. For Winter's Bone, She's on the Academy's radar.

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, this is like the moment where it's

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Speaker 1: like we all now universally stand Jennifer Lawrence. And also

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Lawrence off screen was a part of like the

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Speaker 1: appeal of like her in a press junger. She was

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Speaker 1: so charismatic and funny and the girl that you wanted

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Speaker 1: I think came as she started, because Winter's Bone is

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Speaker 1: what brought her to the attention of the industry, and

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Speaker 1: then the Hunger Games is what brought her to the

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Speaker 1: attention of the culture. And yes, she did gain this

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Speaker 1: reputation for like talking about pizza and like being like

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Speaker 1: one of the guys. She's very like the gone girl monologue,

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Speaker 1: like yeah, she was a cool girl. She was a

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Speaker 1: cool and and you know, there was a hugely negative,

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Speaker 1: um like backswing to that, and that is why she

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Speaker 1: really has pulled back in her public life, a negative

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Speaker 1: backswing that follows pretty much any woman who is in

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Speaker 1: the public. Yeah, it's just misogyny. Um, I was a

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Speaker 1: little Hunger Games pilled. I did read the books. I

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Speaker 1: mean sort of like in the same way that I

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Speaker 1: read Twilight. Was like I was bored one summer, so

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Speaker 1: I read all the books. I also, I believe, read

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Speaker 1: all three books and I did not read the other one.

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00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: And the books are good, and they hold up, and

642
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: they have a lot of I think, really valuable social

643
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: commentary in them. It's a world that is like obviously

644
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: very far away from our own, but not by that much.

645
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah it's not. And also like in at least from

646
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: what I remember, Hunger Games like really stays in Catness's perspective,

647
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: and and it's all told in first person, a lot

648
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: of interiority, a lot of angst honestly, so it's satiated

649
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: like young adult angst, while also bringing this kind of

650
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: like next level um uh them fatal heroine, I mean

651
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: not she's not in the fatal genre, but you know what, Yeah,

652
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: she's a very she's very capable. Like that's that's the thing.

653
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: The only reason why she's able to survive the Games

654
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: is because she um has trained herself to be a hunter.

655
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: She's an archer, as like one of my favorite tailors

656
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: I've sung she is the archer. Um. Wait, what would

657
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: your weapon of choice be if you were in the

658
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: Hunger Games? Um, if I was in the Hunger Games,

659
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: I would die first. Well, I mean that's true, but

660
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: what would to answer the question? What would I would

661
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 1: be a knife, and I would slit my own threat,

662
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: Like I would say, actually when the cannon went off,

663
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: I would just like jumps or no, I would jump

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Speaker 1: before the cannon went off so that I got blown up.

665
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: I don't have to deal with all that. Oh god,

666
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: I mean anyways, Um, I would definitely have a mace.

667
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 1: I would have like that. You know that seems very unwieldy,

668
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: and I think you would hurt yourself. I would just

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Speaker 1: work out my upper body. Think you would like try

670
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: to swing or something like that, Like, yeah, I would

671
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: be it would be no, I would learn how to

672
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: you have to. You would have to learn how to

673
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: master whatever weapon you choose. And I think I would

674
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: train ahead and learn the mace because I think there's

675
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: an intimidation actor with the mace. And I also just

676
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: want to be like, you know, like a like a

677
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: bimbo with a mace, Like I just think that's kind

678
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: of fierce. And I would be in full sled gear,

679
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: like absolutely, like it would be giving, Like, um, it

680
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: would be giving. I was gonna say, dolls kill, but

681
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 1: hopefully maybe some like Deon, like a dion Lee kind

682
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: of like armor suit. Maybe a Muglaire dion Lee or

683
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Speaker 1: you could be Laura Croft, right, it would be very

684
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: tomb rate about yes, but my, but my Lenny Kravitz.

685
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Speaker 1: My sinna would be Mouglare Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: In my dream world, I would say like I was

687
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: Hunger Games pilled by the books, but then the movies

688
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: were what I was really interested in. But I was

689
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: only really interested in the first two, and then by

690
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: the time the final two came out, I was like

691
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: kind of bored. I didn't think they should have been

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00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: split into two. The third book should have been split

693
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: into two movies. Like that was very post Harry Potter

694
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: when everyone started doing that. I do. I will say this,

695
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: I've said this before, the best of the Hunger Games

696
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: movies is the second one, Catching Fire, even though I

697
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 1: do think the first movie is fantastic. And the reason

698
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: why I think the movies are so popular and so

699
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: enduring is because there was a lot of work put

700
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: into them to make them good films. Um, there's a

701
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: lot of craft in them. Um, there's a reason why

702
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lawrence was cast. Like, yes, it's because she's a

703
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: fantastic actress. But the character she played in Winter's Bone,

704
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: who's this like folksy American girl trying to like make

705
00:41:53,719 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: it in like ury um, very much translates to the

706
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: Hunger Games, Like she had played that kind of role before.

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00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: She was someone who was like have this like inner

708
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: strength and resilience. And Um, the first movie, like it

709
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: does not shy away from how fucked up what's happening is.

710
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: You know, there these are teenagers who are being pitted

711
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: against each pit against each other to fight to the

712
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: death on reality TV. And that's fucked up. Yeah, it

713
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: really is. And the movies get progressively darker. I don't.

714
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: I assume the books do too, though I remember they

715
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: were just dark from the I mean all, they're all

716
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: dark from the start, but like, I don't really remember.

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00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: I think the last movie is probably the worst. I

718
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: remember kind of liking the third movie, like the Julianne

719
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: Moore of it all and like everything that blows up. Um,

720
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: but let's just say it's very like bloated, and that

721
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: they try to make a lot out of not a

722
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: lot of plot, because the whole the whole third book

723
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: is like half of it is catnets trying to essentially

724
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: create like pro rebellion propaganda. And then the final part

725
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: of it, which is what the last movie is, is

726
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: they actually like storm the capital and the Capital has

727
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: like been turned into basically a version of a Hunger

728
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: Games arena that they have to survive. Complete side note,

729
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: do you think the Harry Potter finale should have been

730
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: split into two movies or would you do you wish

731
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: that it had been one? No? I actually think it

732
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: makes I agree. I totally agree, having having watched, having

733
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: just done my you know, like annual Harry Potter rewatch.

734
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: There is so much story in deathitely Hallows, and those

735
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: movies are two very different things. I actually did a

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00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: list ranking all the Harry Potter movies, and it's funny

737
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: that definitely holl Is Part one is one of my

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00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,280
Speaker 1: favorite movies and as Part two is my least avorite

739
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: of all the films, not because it's bad, just because

740
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to watch, and it is one specific thing.

741
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: It is the Battle of Hogwarts. It is the culmination,

742
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: it's where everyone dies. It's super depressing. And you know,

743
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: as we said in our inaugural Harry Potter episode, the

744
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: epilogue is one of the worst things ever written, so horrible,

745
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: and it just was J. K. Rowling showing her ass

746
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: long before she showed her ass in other ways. Yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly.

747
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: Something I always think about when I think about the

748
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: Hunger Games is there was one there was one year

749
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: where there was like a pride party that shar was

750
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: performing at and she posted this on Instagram. It is

751
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: like a picture of her maybe trash Tyler, Ashley and

752
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: Aquaria and the caption was, like Aquaria came from the

753
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: Capital to visit us in the district and like that's

754
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: that's very funny. And there is so much like there

755
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: were so many memes about like the Capital, because like

756
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: the Capital was where like they had the access to

757
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: the best technology and they weren't starving, and they did

758
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: these like crazy things where they like died their skin

759
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: blue and like, um, it was very it was supposed

760
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: to be giving, like the Roman Empire, because there's this

761
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: whole thing about how they made themselves vomit so they

762
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: could keep eating while people while while you know, the

763
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: common folk were out starving in the districts right right right? Um? Okay,

764
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: uh new launch point, new launch point, because I think

765
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: this is actually important for our dear producer Phoebe, who

766
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: has for some reason never seen any of these movies

767
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: or read any of these books. Can you help the

768
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: Virgins understand the Peta Gail dichotomy? Well, this is this

769
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 1: is I mean not. I don't think this is controversial

770
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: for me to say that Gail was never like a

771
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: feasible love interest. Let let me let me cross you

772
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: right there, that Gail was the one? How dare you

773
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: you a was not the one. Gail literally is the

774
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: reason Catness's sister is dead, But she was. She was annoying. Also,

775
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: I just think that Gail Peter, just over and over

776
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: and over again, was so like jealous and petty about

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00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 1: Gail and possessive, and I felt like through a lot

778
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: of what they went through, like I felt like Catness

779
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: was really in it for Gail, and like Gail knew

780
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: who she was at home, but I guess also her

781
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: and I think what her and Peter have is not love.

782
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: I think it's trauma bonding. I mean it is traumabond.

783
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: But that's the thing. Trauma bonding is not love, and

784
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: it makes a bad relationship. But then Catness did come

785
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: to love him because you are witnessing the economy right

786
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: here and now I'm I'm Peter. Peter literally all he

787
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: can do is pay himself like a rock. Like he's

788
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: also very strong and I think strong. Um. But what

789
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: you're saying about them traumabond day, Like, yes, it's true,

790
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: but the entirety of catching fire is once they are

791
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: both forced to go back into the arena, catness Is

792
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: number one priority is that Gail should survive and not her.

793
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: And so I think it shows that while yes, Catness

794
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: has this relationship with with Gail where she if she

795
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: was free from her obligations, she absolutely would be with him,

796
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: and her connection with Peter was created by the like

797
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: in the Crucible of the Hunger Games, she has come

798
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: to value his life more than hers, and like she

799
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: does have all of this feeling for her and she

800
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: wants him to survive, even though that means she will

801
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: never get to go back to her family. To Gail,

802
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: she has fallen in love with him, and then when

803
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: catching Fire ends and Peter is captured by the Capital

804
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: and then they like torture him and make him hate Catness.

805
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: Her number one priority becomes getting him back and like

806
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: fixing his brain, and they do, and then they end

807
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: up together because Gale makes himself not an option because

808
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: he's the reason that Catness his sister dies. Yeah. Yeah,

809
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: I don't even remember, honestly, how Catness's sister dies. Is like, Okay,

810
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: so Catness's sister dies because Okay, so Gail has like

811
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: devised this thing where they're going to this like trick

812
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: where they're going to trick people like this this bomb

813
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: that explodes twice or something, and Catness's sister dies because

814
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: of it. And even though like I think there's a

815
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: scene where Gayl's like he's not sure that he's like

816
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: actually the one who killed her, but like he could

817
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: have been, and based like at the end of the day,

818
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: it's his fault that she died. Damn. I like, honestly,

819
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: this is kind of what I'm talking about. The Fine

820
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: Alley and the Last Maybe I don't know if this

821
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: is part of your um beef with the last two movies,

822
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: but those did kind of blend into the culture for me, Like,

823
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't really actually remember a ton of what those

824
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: last movies felt like because I think the finale is

825
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: such a disappointment. I think by the end everyone was

826
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: just kind of ready for them to end, because the

827
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: thing is, they're not even though they're enthralling and thrilling,

828
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: they're not fun. It's not a fun world to visit

829
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: the way that Harry Potter is. Even though there is

830
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: a lot of death and darkness in Harry Potter, you

831
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: still want to immerse yourself in the world. That's why

832
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: there's literally theme parks that exist, And like, I'm not

833
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: trying to go to a panem theme park. No, no, no, no,

834
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: no no, even though there should be one. I think

835
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: I think one does exist somewhere. I think I think

836
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: there's like somewhere in Asia, maybe there is some kind

837
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: of Hunger Games theme park, But you know I won't

838
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: be I'm traveling to go to Panama anytime soon. Yeah,

839
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: me either. But back to Catness as a character, like

840
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: I do feel like she became something of a brand

841
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: new archetype. Like I mean, obviously there's a lot of

842
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: varying criticism on it. If you ever read like bad

843
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: feminist and rock sand gays like essay on the Hunger

844
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: Games of it all, and like Catness as a character um,

845
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: but like there, I I do feel like Catness is

846
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: like was like this new like and Jennifer Lawrence not

847
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: not Catness, not just Catiness, but Jennifer Lawrence as Catness

848
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: I think created like a completely different lane maybe for

849
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: heroine's rights. Not not a new one, but it was

850
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,959
Speaker 1: a revived because I do think I do think that

851
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: Catness is more in the legacy of someone like Buffy

852
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: Um and that a lot of people look at pop

853
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: culture and especially pop culture that was popular for teenage

854
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: girls and very much see Bella and Twilight as like

855
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: an anomaly because I think more so we are drawn

856
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: to these heroines who need or want something that is

857
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: not only romantic love. It's usually the romantic love is

858
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: like a byproduct of whatever other adventure they're involved in,

859
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: and the love triangle is secondary. And even in the

860
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: Hunger Games, like the love triangle does feel like something

861
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: that was more to create a marketing creation than something

862
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: that like organically exists in the books. For the films, well,

863
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: it's very hard to push literally any like movie or

864
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: franchise led by a woman without romance, like unfortunately, like

865
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: I don't like that about like you know, Hollywood, but

866
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: you know, execs and story editors are not going to

867
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: want to engage with a woman's action story if it

868
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have romance. You know, That's what blockbusters require. And

869
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: so I think that maybe that could be said of

870
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: some of these books, of some of these genres of

871
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: books and things like it. I don't know, but that's

872
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: that's the reason why I like The Hunger Games is

873
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: because it acknowledges that the love story is secondary to

874
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: the survival story. Like I was just watching Catching Fire,

875
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: because the whole reason we're doing this is because I'm

876
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 1: in the middle of my you know, Hungry Games rewatch.

877
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: And in the like opening act of Catching Fire, where

878
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: Catness is has basically been tasked by President Snow to

879
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: make the people of Pennam believe that the only reason

880
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: she rebelled was because she was in love with Peter,

881
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: because there's an actual rebellion starting, and she tells Gail

882
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: that she wants to run away with him into the

883
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: woods because he's like offered that as an option, and

884
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: he's like, no, I need to be here because there's

885
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 1: a rebellion starting and then he gets like whipped by

886
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: the peacekeepers who were you know, like the cops of Panem.

887
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 1: And then it's announced that in the next Hunger Games,

888
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: all of the tributes will come from victors. That means

889
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: that Catus is going back into the game. It's it

890
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: is all stars, all winners. Um. So there's this scene

891
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: where Catness goes out into the woods with Gail and

892
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: he says to her like, I should have left with

893
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: you when you said it, and she's kind of like

894
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: she's the one who gets up and leaves because she's like,

895
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: I don't have time for this anymore. This is no

896
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: longer a love story. This is a survival story. Like

897
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: this is now about life or death, and like you

898
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 1: and this romance subplot no longer matter because now I'm

899
00:53:49,000 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: literally fighting for my life. God, speaking of the Harry

900
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: Potter of it all, I have to I have to

901
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: break this up because this is something that I'm culturally

902
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: aware of. It is like it's really big on TikTok

903
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: right now. People who are in the Harry Potter fandom,

904
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 1: specifically the Marauders fandom, which I'm not sure that you

905
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: know what that is. I have no idea. So the

906
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: Marauders are you know, the marauders map in Harry Potter. Okay,

907
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: so that's mischief managed mooney wormtail, Padvin and Prongs, Harry's dad,

908
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: James Potter, rima sloop in serious black, Peter Petter. So

909
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: there's a whole fandom around that era of Hogwarts and

910
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: like the big the biggest ship in it. And when

911
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: we talk about ship, that's relationship. It's like, I hope

912
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: you know that by this point characters that people shipped together.

913
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: So like the like kind of the o G. Harry

914
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: Potter ship in a lot of ways is wolf Star,

915
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 1: which is rema slooping and serious black like. And even

916
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: Gary Oldman and David Thulis, who played the characters in

917
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: the films, have said like they kind of played them

918
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: as if they were Wait really, wait do you ship personally? Like?

919
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 1: In the fan fiction world, I yes, I do. So

920
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: there is so Hunger Games fan fiction is like there

921
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: was a Hunger Games fandom, but I would say within fandom,

922
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: Hunger Games is much more popular as a world to

923
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: set fan fiction in, Like a lot of people set

924
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: other characters in like a Hunger Games universe. So right now,

925
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: there is a an ongoing um fan fiction that I

926
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 1: believe is like currently maybe like three thousand words long.

927
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: It's called Crimson Rivers, and it is it is a

928
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: Harry Potter hungry games au. And how many of those

929
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand words have you read? Rose, I'm not

930
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: at liberty. I was. Let's just say that a couple

931
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: of months ago. I was very bored one weekend you had.

932
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: But the thing is, even though it is, even though

933
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: wolf Start is one of the main pairings, it's not

934
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: the main pairing. The main pairing of the story is

935
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: James Potter, Harry Potter's dad, and Regulus Black, serious Black's

936
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: younger brother, who never even appears in the Harry Potter books.

937
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: He is simply so if you if you remember your

938
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: Harry Potter lore, the locket that was one of the

939
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: horcruxes was stolen by Regulus Black, who was a death theater,

940
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: and then he was like, actually, Baltimore, you suck, so

941
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna steal the locker and he left the note

942
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: that was a whole thing. So he has now become

943
00:56:55,320 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: like a fandom creation, essentially very interesting. People ship him

944
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: with James Potter. Harry Potter said, even though there is

945
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: literally no no textual evidence behind this. Also, James Potter

946
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: is like has no very few characteristics like in the franchise.

947
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 1: But so but I think the reason why this became

948
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: so popular is because of TikTok, because people make fan

949
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: edits and they do fan casts, and so the most

950
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: popular fan cast for Regulus Black is Timothy Shallow May

951
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: I would love that. And some of these fan edits

952
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: are like very well done. And the most popular fan

953
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: cast for James for a young James Potter is young

954
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: Aaron Taylor Johnson. Aaron Taylor Johnson, Oh my god, Aaron

955
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: Taylor Johnson needs to become like, you know, a part

956
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: of like the like a virgin pantheon. Like he's sold

957
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: him and his old wife, and that's so hot. I

958
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: just think it's very interesting that the Hunger Games, like

959
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: while that's sort of dystopia, has fallen out of fashion,

960
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: and like while I was saying before, it's not really

961
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: like a fun universe to exist in. It is something

962
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: that people keep coming back to in a way that

963
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: they want to always be filtering the characters and fandoms

964
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: they're interested in. Through that Lens. I think because of

965
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: what we were talking about before about how it is

966
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: sad and like bleak, and there's something appealing about the

967
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: angst of that and like the the steaks of it,

968
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I find that fascinating and and

969
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: it is there. We are going to have somewhat of

970
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: a Hunger Games renaissance way this new film, The Ballad

971
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: of Songbirds and Steaks, which is about um young President

972
00:58:52,320 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: snow Oh the cock Trucker shape fashion Cox Sucker hunter

973
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: Shiver is such a perfect cast to me because she

974
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: deserves to be in an action franchise. She deserves to

975
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: be in something that's not you for it. Yes, yes, exactly.

976
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: And also she will just much like Jennifer Lawrence, can

977
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: bring emotional steaks to something that's hyper unreal um surreality. Um.

978
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: But anyways, on the kind of fan casting shipping the

979
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: thing that you just outlined and thinking about, you know,

980
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: the popular characters that everyone wants to stand in Harry Potter,

981
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: who is the couple that everone ships or maybe should

982
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: ship in your eyes in the Hunger Games franchise, Like

983
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: two characters that really should have got it on and

984
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: would be an amazing story in and of themselves. Oh well,

985
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: I mean this is like sort of alluded to in

986
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: the films more than it was in the books. But

987
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: Effie and Hay Mitch, oh yeah, they have scenes a

988
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: kind of Effie that is, to me, Eliza Elizabeth Banks's

989
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: best work. I it definitely is incredible. And I think

990
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: the character development over the course of the franchises when

991
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 1: stabs the table that is um I have. I did

992
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: say this during our Twilight episode, I believe, But I

993
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: did unfortunately break up with somebody after having a fight

994
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: with them about which characters who were in the Hunger

995
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: Games while we were watching it, because so who do

996
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,439
Speaker 1: you think you are? Okay, So the way the fight

997
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: went down was like he immediately was like, oh you're

998
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: Effie blah blah blah, and I was like, okay, not no,

999
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: but like there was this kind of like tension slash

1000
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: recurring conflict like my X and I would have about

1001
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: me being a corrupt capitalist or something like that, and

1002
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: like and I was just like, Okay, so I see

1003
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: the undercurrent of what you're trying to say there, but

1004
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to take it and stride because I think

1005
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: that's really funny. And so I was just like, well then,

1006
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: or Peter because he is Peter, because he I was like,

1007
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: because you're like a whiny little bit. Okay, well, who

1008
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: do you think you are? Um, he is a whiny

1009
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: little bit, by the way, Um, I believe you. I

1010
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: do think. I believe. I do think I am thank you.

1011
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: I do think I'm Effie. I do I think that

1012
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: I have in my own life a character arc like Effie's.

1013
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: Like I the place that I was ten years ago

1014
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: to where I am now has not different belief systems

1015
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: the way Effie has. But I've grown a lot in

1016
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: like my trajectory as a human being and what I

1017
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: want to do with my life. And I'm proud of that.

1018
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to like you know, get rid

1019
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: of like who I was before. And I also still

1020
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: retain some characteristics from my capitalist days that like you know,

1021
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: are part of my judge like I would say, yes,

1022
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: I would say that's mahogany okay, like that I would

1023
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: And I am um the girl from the first movie

1024
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: who's played by the girl from Orphan who throws daggers,

1025
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: the one that gets naked in the elevator. No, oh no,

1026
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: I'm Joanna, Oh my god, Joanna, Jenna Malone? Who wait?

1027
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: Remember that one time we went to Atrium for brunch

1028
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: in l A Jennama and I told you Jenna Malone

1029
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: had just last and I was like, who is? And

1030
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: I like caught eyes with her, and I'm like, j

1031
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: was actually kind of gabbed by that, and I'm like

1032
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: very unfazed by seeing famous people out in the wild.

1033
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: But that scene where she gets into the elevator and

1034
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: takes all her clothes off is iconic. Jenna Moroni should

1035
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: have been in Hunger Games, so she should have been

1036
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: in the capital. I'm I'm Joanna if I'm gonna if

1037
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be any of the Hunger Games characters. But okay,

1038
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: so who should have been a couple? Somebody gay? Right? Yes?

1039
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: So I would say Joanna and Catness. Yeah. I think

1040
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: Catness should have should have should have, you know, followed

1041
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: her her instincts and ditched these guys. And then I'm

1042
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: also going to say Peter and hay Mitch. Yeah yeah,

1043
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: And let me tell you the end of the story

1044
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: would have been, there would have been much more harmony.

1045
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: I think if he had gotten with Peta and if

1046
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lawrence had been a lesbian like that, I think

1047
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: would have satisfied their overall needs as humans. Because back

1048
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: to what I was trying to say before, trauma, bonding

1049
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: is not love. And it's true that like, yes, like

1050
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: she's going through this trauma, trauma that's literally like in

1051
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,919
Speaker 1: the books, in the movies, and she's to us. They're

1052
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: not totally saying it the way I'm saying it, but

1053
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: it's like cattiness is kind of saying towards the end

1054
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: of these films, it's like, I have gone through something

1055
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: that literally no one else understands unless you've been in

1056
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: the thing, right you have. If you haven't been in

1057
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: the Hungry Games, you don't understand my trauma. And so

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Speaker 1: because there was no going back for Catness, catness emotionally

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Speaker 1: it makes sense. I I can concede that Gail is

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Speaker 1: no longer a fit, which is why she should have

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Speaker 1: gotten with a woman who was in the Hunger Games. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but even I think even outside of even outside of

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Speaker 1: the Hunger Games, catness Is experience was more singular than

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Speaker 1: anyone else because not only was she manipulated, and this

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Speaker 1: is the whole point of the last film, is not

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Speaker 1: only was she manipulated by the Capital in a very

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Speaker 1: obvious way, she was then manipulated by the Resistance. That's

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Speaker 1: the whole reason why she kills Julian Moore at the end.

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Speaker 1: It's because she's like, I'm not going to let this

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Speaker 1: happen again, because the way the Hunger Games end is

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Speaker 1: the Resistance is like, Okay, now we're going to start

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Speaker 1: the Hunger Games again, just with the children from the Capitol,

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Speaker 1: and Catness is like, it's never gonna fucking end, So

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna kill you. And then Donald Sutherland like laughs,

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Speaker 1: He's like ha ha, and then Catiness, you know, she

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Speaker 1: removes herself from an entirely. She and Peter go back

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Speaker 1: to District twelve and just like have a bunch of

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Speaker 1: kids and like fucking big bread for the rest of

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Speaker 1: their lives. Fuck and big bread. Now that is a

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Speaker 1: happy ending. Um slide into our d m s at

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Speaker 1: like a virgin. Tell us what would your weapon of

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Speaker 1: choice be on the Hunger Games? Do you think you

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Speaker 1: would survive? Um? Are you more of a Capital girly

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Speaker 1: or you in one of the districts? Are you team Peter,

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Speaker 1: team Gail, team Effie? We want to know um and

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Speaker 1: that that happens when someone dies in the Hunger Games.

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