1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Eight our two Sean Hannity Show eight hundred and nine 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: point one, Sean, if you want to be a part 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: of the program. There's so much that that took place, 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: and I don't care if it's what happened with the 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: president taking out the Iranian nuclear sites or this operation 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: that took place in Venezuela. New York Times reporting that 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: the CIA had sources inside Maduro's government helping They were 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: able to actually build a replica of Maduro's house prior 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: to this invasion. The Delta Force, this elite unit involved 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,959 Speaker 1: in the two thousand and three capture of Saddam Hussein 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: as well as counter terrorism missions following the nine to 12 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: eleven attacks inside. What it is that the US army 13 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: unit did to capture Maduro? You know, seeing that a 14 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: Chinook helicopter was for the pilot was shot, landed, the 15 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: helicopter got air cover, was able to get the bird 16 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: back in the air, get it back to safety, and 17 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: thank god, nobody was killed, no equipment was lost. That 18 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: aspect of this just does not get the credit that 19 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: it deserves. Let me go to the Secretary of State 20 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: Marco Rubio explaining why the US is taking over the 21 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: Venezuelan oil industry and why regime change is different in 22 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: Venezuela than other countries. 23 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,639 Speaker 2: He was on meat the Press this weekend. 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: The question is, I guess if the purpose of the 25 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 3: operation was to capture Maduro and bring him to justice, 26 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: why does the United States need to take over the 27 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 3: Venezuelan oil industry. 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 4: Well, we don't need to the purpose. Let me go 29 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,559 Speaker 4: back up. We don't need Venezuela's oil. We have plenty 30 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 4: of oil in the United States. What we're not going 31 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 4: to allow is for the oil industry in Venezuela to 32 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 4: be controlled by adversaries of the United States. You have 33 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 4: to understand why does China need their oil, Why does 34 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 4: Russia need their oil, Why does Iron need their oil? 35 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 4: They're not even in this continent. This is the Western Hemisphere. 36 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 4: This is where we live, and we're not going to 37 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 4: allow the Western Hemisphere to be a base of operation 38 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 4: for adversaries, competitors and rivals of the United States. We 39 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 4: also want to see that oil and the proceeds from 40 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 4: it hold on. We want to see the oil proceeds 41 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 4: of that country benefit the people of Venezuela. Why have 42 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 4: eight million people left Venezuela. Eight million, the single largest 43 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 4: mass migration probably in modern history, left Venezuela's in twenty 44 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 4: fourteen because all the wealth of that country was stolen 45 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 4: to the benefit of Maduro and his cronies in the regime, 46 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 4: but not to the benefit of people of Venezuela. You 47 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 4: know how destabilizing eight million migrants is. We've got this 48 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 4: phobia built up and this sort of thing. That's likely 49 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 4: number one most of the experts that people have on 50 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 4: tell I watched these experts and it's clown hour. 51 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:47,399 Speaker 2: Okay. 52 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 4: These are people that have focused their entire career on 53 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 4: the Middle East or some other part of the work 54 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 4: because that's where all the action was. 55 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: They very few of. 56 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 4: Them know anything about Venezuela or the Western hemisphere. Venezuela 57 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 4: looks nothing like Libya. It looks nothing like a rock, 58 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 4: looks nothing like Afghanistan. It looks nothing like the Middle 59 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 4: East other than the Iranian agents that are running through 60 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 4: their plotting against America. These are Western countries with long 61 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 4: traditions among the people to people and cultural level and 62 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 4: ties to the United States. So there's nothing like that. 63 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 4: So I think people need to stop ascribing the apples 64 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 4: and oranges here the apples or the Middle East to 65 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 4: the oranges of the western hemisphere. Number two, this is 66 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 4: about the national interest of the United States, and what 67 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 4: I'm confident of is we are in a safer and 68 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 4: better place because we're taking it seriously. The alternative would 69 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 4: have been to leave Maduro there as an indicted the 70 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 4: drug trafficker, illegitimate president running the country, open invitation for 71 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 4: all of our adversaries to do whatever they want against 72 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 4: the United States from Venezuela. That was not going to continue. 73 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 4: What the alternative would have been to allow a drug 74 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 4: trafficker to continue to use national territory and elements of 75 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 4: nation state power to further drug trafficking organizations. Read the indictment. 76 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 4: This guy used the levers of their security apparatus not 77 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 4: to arrest drug traffickers, to cooperate and facilitate the trafficking 78 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 4: of drugs for the purpose of getting them into the 79 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 4: United States. 80 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: And that's going to stop. 81 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's so entertaining to watch Mark or just 82 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: tear these people up on these Sunday shows. Joining US 83 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: now Vice Admiral Robert Harwood of the US Navy and 84 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: also is the general and Admirals Program participant member of 85 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: the Jewish Institute for the National Security of America. Not 86 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: only to discuss what we have witnessed in Venezuela, but 87 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: we also are watching the Mullahs in Iran on the 88 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: brink as now. People have taken to the streets in 89 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: Tehran and around the country demanding themselves regime change in Iran, 90 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: as they are now perhaps even on the brink themselves. Certainly, 91 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: Cuba is going to be impacted by the actions that 92 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: the President took in Venezuela, and I could see that 93 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: hoppling of its own weight and corruption as well. Anyway, 94 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: Vice Admiral, great to have you, sir. 95 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 5: Sounds great. And I think that lead in you provided 96 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 5: by Secretary Rubio is so succinct, precise, and makes it 97 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 5: very clear why this is so important not just for 98 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 5: the United States, but for Venezuela and the people of Venezuela. 99 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 5: And I think if you even want to take a 100 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 5: step back, unlike the previous three administrations over decades now, 101 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 5: this administration has been willing to use force for good, 102 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 5: for good of the United States and for the good 103 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 5: and well being of the people of these countries that 104 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 5: have been oppressed for many years. So Venezuela is a 105 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 5: perfect example. But you have Iran, you have Cuba, and 106 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 5: as the President said last week in his words to 107 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 5: the Iranian people, we stand in support and we're going 108 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 5: to hold leadership there accountable. So this is unprecedented for 109 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 5: over several decades. So it's just good change to calculus everywhere. 110 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: Let's talk about why this was needed, and then the 111 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: military aspect of all of this, because whenever you take 112 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: military actions such as this, I mean, I know our 113 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,239 Speaker 1: equipment is superior, I know our troops are superior. I 114 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: have great confidence in our military. But every military operation 115 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: brings with it inherent risks, and like Midnight Hammer, this 116 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: came off without a hitch. 117 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 5: Well, the number one thing you did mention, and what 118 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 5: separates us from everyone is our experience. We've been doing 119 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 5: this sort of business for decades. Don't forget what started, 120 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 5: especially in Latin America. Remember when we were chasing and 121 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 5: targeting and went after Pablo Escobar. Then we went into Panama. 122 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 5: So we have a great ex experience. We've done this, 123 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 5: we rehearsed for this, we've trained this, and then an 124 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 5: Iraq and Afghanistan, including the ubl raid. We've done this 125 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 5: time in and time again. So once we've done it once, 126 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 5: you refine that. And if you really remember what all 127 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 5: started this was the failure of Desert One, where Congress 128 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 5: stepped in and said, hey, you go to create a 129 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 5: special Operations Command. So we learned from that, let that 130 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 5: lesson over forty five years ago, and then have rehearsed, trained, 131 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 5: and executed these type of raids and seizures over decades. 132 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 5: No other military in the force in the world have 133 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 5: the capabilities, the professionalism we do, much less the operational experience, 134 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 5: and that's why this is just another day and another 135 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 5: operation for the best military in the world. 136 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: It really is beyond impressive and godspeed and an amazing, 137 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: amazing tip of the cap to our military to do 138 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: this in the way that they did it with you know, 139 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: next to zero collateral damage in the process, which is 140 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: remarkable in and of itself as well and something that 141 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: has been long overdue. Your background is very interested interesting 142 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: to me. You graduated from the Tehran American School, You 143 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: speak Farsi, uh former Navy seal Vice admiral. You led 144 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: US invasions in Afghanistan and Iraq, served as Deputy commander 145 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: of the US Central Command, helped stand up, you know, 146 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: and set up the National counter Terrorism Center, and was 147 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: asked by President Trump to serve as National Security Advisor. 148 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: And you have lived and worked across the Middle East, 149 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: you know for decades. You understand this, and you know, 150 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: what are you to make of the unrest that we 151 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: now see daily inside of Iran? Now we have seen 152 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: it before, and unfortunately that unrest usually gets quelled because 153 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: you don't win revolutions with slingshots. Why do I feel 154 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: this time is different? I mean, they're trying to move 155 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: everybody out of their major city in Tehran because they 156 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: don't have any water. They've been cut off financially. The 157 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: big the lifeblood of their economy has been oil, but 158 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: the Trump administration is making it very difficult for them 159 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: to sell any of it. What do you see happening? 160 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: There are we on the verge of possible regime chains. 161 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: There is Cuba next to fall after Venezuela. As you know, 162 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: look at you know, the global situation. 163 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: There's a lot happening. 164 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 5: Well, let me first off, I got to go back 165 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 5: and say, while we talked about the military, what's really 166 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 5: precedent setting is this administration, President Trump, Secretary of Rubio, 167 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 5: Secretary head set going to use force. So first kudos 168 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 5: for them, and that's playing out in Iran. We knew 169 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 5: Iranians were killing our people in Iraq in ten twenty 170 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 5: twelve to their surrogates, and we wanted to take action, 171 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 5: but the administration was focused on solving the nuclear program 172 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 5: and reaching an agreement the jackpoa to them, so they 173 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,359 Speaker 5: were very leary and hesitant to use force. This president 174 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 5: supported the Israeli strikes and used force, and that really 175 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 5: unveiled to the people of Iran how weak the Islamic 176 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 5: Revolution really is. So couple that with the disaster of 177 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 5: governance that they've provided. They can failed the people militarily, 178 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 5: they're war in Iraq, they're exporting the revolution into Lebanon, Yemen, 179 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 5: Syrian other places. But most important, they failed the people 180 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 5: of the Iran Internally. The really I think it is 181 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 5: a million and sum to a dollar. There's no water 182 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 5: in the cities, people can't afford housing, they can't afford food, 183 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 5: and the most important, the bizarre East, the guys who 184 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 5: work all the money and it's all about money in Iran, 185 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 5: you gota survive. They have now turned against the regime, 186 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 5: so there's no doubt in my mind there will be 187 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 5: regime collapse. Now what form that's going to take and 188 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 5: what triggering event really dries it over the keel and 189 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 5: what government comes next is the big issue. 190 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 6: Now. 191 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 5: I lived in Iran when it was a constitutional monarchy 192 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 5: from nineteen sixty eight to nineteen seventy nine, and I 193 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 5: was there. When you talk about then, that's exactly right 194 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 5: the Shah of Iran. But previous to that, in the fifties, 195 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 5: they had to go at at, had to go at democracy. 196 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 5: They elected a prime minister the US and quite the 197 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 5: opposite situation today, but there are some analogies to Venezuela. 198 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 5: Everyone was concerned about the prime prime minister nationalizing oil, 199 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 5: so there was a coup a US and English. The 200 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 5: British coup that removed the prime minister, installed the Shaw 201 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:29,599 Speaker 5: and the power. He became very Western. He promoted change, 202 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 5: women's right, lands reforms, so he was doing so much 203 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 5: for the country, but he fell to this revolution. I 204 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 5: think we're in that same position today where the people 205 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 5: of Iran realized this government has failed them for decades, 206 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 5: has squandered the resources to export the revolution as opposed 207 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 5: to taking care of the people. That's going to come 208 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,599 Speaker 5: back to roost right now, So I think it's inevitable. 209 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 5: Add to that, this action had been anela which demonstrated 210 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 5: to them and the people that he's willing to support. 211 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 5: And then most importantly, President Trump's message to the regime 212 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 5: and the Iranian people that we will support them and 213 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 5: hold the regime accountable is really one of those there, 214 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 5: and he's demonstrated he's willing to do that as this 215 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 5: previous strike into Iran and now in Venezuela, and that 216 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 5: empowers the people and further weakens the government. So I'm 217 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 5: very confident and hope this long overdue regime collapse will 218 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 5: come to fruition. 219 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: The hypocrisy of the left is breathtaking. Let's take a 220 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: little trip down memory lane, Jai, and let's listen to 221 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer criticizing Donald J. Trump or not doing anything 222 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: about Aduro and Venezuela. 223 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 7: He brags about all these things he wants to do 224 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 7: or is doing, but his actions lie his words. Maybe 225 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 7: the best metap or was his claim to bring democracy 226 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 7: to Venezuela. There was a big policy there. It flopped. 227 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 7: If the policy was working, Juan Guido wouldn't be in 228 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 7: the balcony here, he'd be in Venezuela. He'd be sitting 229 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 7: in the president's palace, or at least waging a fight 230 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 7: to win. He's here, and the President brags about his 231 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 7: Venezuela policy. Give us a break. He hasn't brought an 232 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 7: end to the Maduro regime. The Meduro regime is more 233 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 7: powerful today and more intrenched today than it was when 234 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 7: the president began. 235 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like he's a big advocate for what 236 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: Donald Trump did over the weekend. But apparently since the 237 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: President actually did what Schumer was begging him to do, 238 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: he's not so happy anymore. 239 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 7: Listen, the United States will run Venezuela. We have learned 240 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 7: through the years. When America tries to do regime change 241 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 7: and nation building in this way, the American people pay 242 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 7: the price in both blood and in Dama. 243 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 5: You heard Secretary Rubia. 244 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: He says the United States has the authority to do 245 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: what they're doing. 246 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 5: They do not. 247 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 7: They do not. 248 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: Why not? 249 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 7: He couldn't even answer your question. There is no authority 250 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 7: to go. They did not just do ships off the water. 251 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 7: They went inside Venezuela. Bombed civilian as well as military places. 252 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 7: And it's a violation of the law to do what 253 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 7: they did without getting the authorization of Congress. 254 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: So what can the Congress do about it? 255 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 5: Is the next question? 256 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 7: Well, the next question is very simple, and that is 257 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 7: that we have the War Powers Act. That's a privileged resolution, 258 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 7: which means the Republicans can't block it. Tim Kaine and 259 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 7: I and Rand Paul are sponsors of it. It's going 260 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 7: to come to the floor this week and if it 261 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 7: is voted for, if it's voted positively in both houses, 262 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 7: then the president can't do another thing in Venezuela without 263 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 7: the okay of Congress. 264 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: We have to pass not going to happen. Interesting, Joe Biden, 265 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: same thing. Trump talk's tough on Venezuela, but admires thugs 266 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: and dictators like Nicholas Maduro. As president, I will stand 267 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: with the Venezuelan people for democracy. 268 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: All he did was talk. 269 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: Remember President Trump would always say, they talked, they talk, 270 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: they do nothing, you know, wink and Tony Blincoln, you know, 271 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: discussing the return to democracy in Venezuela. Biden then extended 272 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: Obama air executive orders deeming Venezuela threat to US security, 273 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: put a twenty five million dollar bounty on the capture. 274 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: I guess maybe Trump's do twenty five million bucks so 275 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: he can give it to the military, and you know, 276 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: calls for sanctions, et cetera, and Biden failed to take 277 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: any meaningful action when Venezuela snubbed US sanctions and imported 278 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: Iranian oil and was exporting to the Iranians. 279 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 2: He didn't do a thing. But anyway, it continues. 280 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: Anyway, joining us now on the legal aspect of all this, 281 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: I was watching Saturday, and almost right from the get go, 282 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: the person they got it right was Greg Jarrett. In 283 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: terms of no, Donald Trump's ordered to snatch Maduro was 284 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: not illegal, it was not unconstitutional. And no, he could 285 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: not go to Congress because you think the people in 286 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: Congress would keep their mouths shut. No, they would have 287 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: put the lives of our brave men and women at 288 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: risk because they would have leaked it all. 289 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 2: Anyway, mister Jared, sir, how are you hey? 290 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 6: I'm well, thank you appreciate it. 291 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: Well. 292 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: I guess Donald Trump has owed twenty five million dollars 293 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: because it was Biden to put the twenty five million 294 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: dollar reward for Maduro's arrest. 295 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 2: Well, he's been arrested. 296 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, no kidding. And you know you played the clip 297 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 6: of Chucky Schumer and you got to laugh at him 298 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 6: saying it's a violation of the law not to consult 299 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 6: and get permission from Congress. What law? You know, Schimarana 300 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 6: take a few moments to just try to read and 301 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 6: comprehend simultaneously the United States Constitution. The president does have 302 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 6: to go to Congress for a declaration of war, but 303 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 6: for an armed conflict, he can act on his own. 304 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 6: It's an inherent constitutional authority under Article two, section two 305 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 6: the Constitution, and every president since World War Two, from 306 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 6: Harry Truman all the way up to Donald Trump have 307 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 6: done that. When Trump does it, you know, Schimard denounces him. 308 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 6: But you know when Clinton and Biden and Obama did 309 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 6: the same sort of thing, launching attacks without congressional approval, 310 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 6: drone strikes and so forth, they cheered him. And you know, 311 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 6: so it's frank hypocrisy. Beyond constitutional authority, there's also the 312 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 6: take care clause also Article two, section three, that a 313 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 6: president shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed. 314 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 6: That means he has to enforce statutes and when there 315 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 6: is somebody, doesn't matter who the person is, where that 316 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 6: person is, who is charged with serious crimes. Apprehension, arrests, 317 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 6: execution of that wanted fugitive is part of the president's job. 318 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 6: So this was both a military operation as well as 319 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 6: a law enforcement operation. You had law enforcement officials DJ 320 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 6: on the scene involved in it, and so under both 321 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 6: constitutional causes, the president was four square correct in doing 322 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 6: what he did. 323 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: Well, we can go back. 324 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: I mean, we did capture Saddam Hussein. We can go 325 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: back to the former president of Honduras, one Orlando Hernandez, 326 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: was extradited to the US in twenty twenty two, later 327 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: convicted of drug related charges. We have the case of 328 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: Norieger Manuel Noriega, again an illegitimate leader and had recognized 329 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: as the country's leader, leading candidate. So all of this 330 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: President you rightly point out, but you listen to the 331 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: left and they're acting like And by the way, there 332 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: was silence among Democrats when all these other their incidents occurred. 333 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: So is it just from derangement syndrome? 334 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of it is. They reflexively condemned Trump 335 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 6: for anything and everything he does, even if they like it. 336 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 6: I mean, he said years ago during his first term. 337 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 6: If Trump heres cancer, they'll denounce him for it. You're 338 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 6: you know, you're violating mother nature. I mean, they'll come 339 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 6: up with something because they hate him so much. They 340 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 6: despise him personally, they have contempt for his policies. I mean, 341 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 6: look at the hundreds of lawsuits in the first year 342 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 6: that they filed against Donald Trump. It these so much 343 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 6: as sneezes. They sue and you know, they go out 344 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 6: in front of television cameras and they, you know, condemned 345 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 6: and denounced Donald Trump for everything he does. 346 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, this gets to the heart of it. 347 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: But let's go to the legal aspect of it, because 348 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 1: you and your column rightly point out their condemnation of 349 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: Trump has nothing to do with the law. And no 350 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: president has recognized the War Powers Act, have they? 351 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 6: No, they haven't. Most legal scholars, the good ones at least, 352 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 6: has pronounced it an unconstitutional violation of the president's inherent 353 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 6: authority to engage in armed conflict for defense purposes. And 354 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 6: here you can argue that the scourge of drugs, you know, 355 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 6: two hundred and fifteen metric tons of cocaine a year, 356 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 6: and the United States is the favored market. Taking action 357 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 6: to stop it is defensive in nature. But you know, 358 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 6: this canard that it's a violation of the War Powers Act, 359 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 6: which is what Schumer said in the clip you've played, 360 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 6: is simply untrue. The War Powers Resolution back in nineteen 361 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 6: seventy three, in reaction to Nixon's bombing of Cambodi, is 362 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 6: a prohibition on a president to act. It's a notification requirement. 363 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 6: He has to notify Congress within forty eight hours. And 364 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 6: you know, some people like Obama, some presidents like Obama 365 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 6: have utterly ignored it. Obama did notify Congress, but he 366 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 6: blew past the sixty to ninety day limitation of military 367 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 6: troops in Libya. And you know he just decided, along 368 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 6: with his scholars, you can't make me do it. It's unconstitutional. 369 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 6: And when push came to shove, Congress didn't pursue it, 370 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 6: and they won't hear either. 371 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: Quick break more with our legal analyst, our friend Greg 372 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: Jarrett on the other side. Also your calls coming up, 373 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: and an update on the Somali fraud situation. Eight hundred 374 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: ninety four one, Shawn is a number as we continue 375 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: this Monday. All right, we continue now, Greg Jarrett Is 376 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: with us. Yes, what the President did is legal, it 377 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: is constitutional. 378 00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 5: Well, but he. 379 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: Seems to want to focus in on how the United 380 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 1: States built Venezuela's oil industry. Now, if you look, if 381 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: you look at their oil reserves, it has the largest 382 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: oil reserves in the entire world, which is amazing because 383 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: you know, American companies had invested all of this money. 384 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: And I went through this and I have a list 385 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: of all of the money that they made. But American 386 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: oil companies have been operating in Venezuela since the nineteen twenties. 387 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,479 Speaker 1: They built out and developed the entire oil industry in 388 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: that country, right. And then it was nineteen seventy six 389 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: with then Venezuelan and President Carlos Andres Perez nationalized the 390 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: oil industry, taking control of American and other oil assets. 391 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: American companies, you know, lost billions and billions of dollars. 392 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: And I do believe that the president. Again, the President 393 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: has said that during this transition he's not going to 394 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: allow just another dictator to take over and pretty much 395 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: return to where we are at this point. But knowing 396 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: the President as well as we do, I would and 397 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: him having had conversations with the oil industries and the 398 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: oil companies that I guess maybe had written us off 399 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: as a loss. I would imagine they're going to recoup 400 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: their losses. And once they start updating and producing oil 401 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: at the level that they're going to be capable of, 402 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: that's not only going to benefit American oil companies, but 403 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: the people of Venezuela and probably even the US government 404 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways as well. And it will 405 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: lower the price of oil and global markets, won't it. 406 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 6: Oh, it absolutely will. So everybody wins, particularly the Venezuelan 407 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 6: people who eight percent live in poverty because Maduro took 408 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 6: whatever oil and drug funds and absconded with it, eluted 409 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 6: the government, and you know, the poor people of Venezuela 410 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 6: got poorer and poorer. Now they now have potentially a 411 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 6: bright future, as I pointed out in my column. And 412 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 6: the template for this is Panama, which under Noriega impoverished 413 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 6: so many people. But when democracy was set up after 414 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 6: he was captured, it undertook a remarkable economic renewal in 415 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:29,479 Speaker 6: Panama and it transformed the country and the people of 416 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 6: Panama benefited with greater prosperity and financial gain. And so 417 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 6: I think that's the parallel that we look at in 418 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 6: so many different ways. Three hundred and three billion barrels 419 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 6: of oil. Now it's dirty oil in Venezuela, so it requires. 420 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 2: A massive amount of refining. Yes, yes, it does well, 421 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 2: he does. 422 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,719 Speaker 6: But the only the only people capable of that are 423 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 6: American oil companies and refiner And you know, they were 424 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 6: looted into the nationalization. They lost billions of dollars. They 425 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 6: got to be compensated in some form or fashion. But 426 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 6: I you know, I think if American oil went in 427 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 6: there and rebuilt the oil and refinery infrastructure, it not 428 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 6: only benefits the people there, lowers the price of oil everywhere, 429 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 6: and it harms Zaran, China, Russia, Turkey, Cuba, all of 430 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 6: our enemies because they were the ones who were propping 431 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 6: up Venezuela by buying their cheap, dirty oil. 432 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Great analysis as always, Greg Jarrett, thank you. 433 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: Eight hundred and nine four one Sean. If you want 434 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: to be a part of the program, we'll update you 435 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: on Somali medicare fraud. Maria Merschado is going to be 436 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: on Hannity tonight. She has been one of the top 437 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: opposition leaders had to be an exile for many, many years. 438 00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 2: What does she hope for? 439 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: And as well, remember she got the Nobel Peace Prize 440 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: and said Donald Trump deserved it, not me. 441 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 2: She'll join us on TV tonight