Speaker 1: Yo one two was adding Yo this DJ Muggs Live
Speaker 1: from La Man. Make sure to check me out on
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Speaker 2: Yo boutlet keV podcast Special guests in here. One of
Speaker 2: the greatest producers to ever live Ladies and Gentlemen does
Speaker 2: do a lot of interviews, so I feel very privileged
Speaker 2: to be sitting down with DJ Muggs.
Speaker 3: What's adding brother, welcome man, feel thanks for having me man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sol Assassin's Three Death Valley is album.
Speaker 3: Yeah man, And what a track listing. Wow, man, some
Speaker 3: motherfucker's on there.
Speaker 2: Some motherfucker's on there for real.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of my favorite new rappers man, Like you know,
Speaker 3: Body James shout.
Speaker 2: Outs to Bodie. You've got ghost Face on there.
Speaker 3: Yeah oh yeah. Then we got some of the classics
Speaker 3: and ship yeah, ghost and Gun.
Speaker 2: Shout out to TF man. I was gonna say, like,
Speaker 2: it's crazy because I remember the source advertisements for the
Speaker 2: very first Soul Assassins album, which was what ninety seven
Speaker 2: or ninety eight seven? Yeah, man, So like fast forward.
Speaker 2: I don't even want to talk about how many years
Speaker 2: that is because it'll age you and me a lot.
Speaker 2: But for you, like what has changed about putting together
Speaker 2: a soul assassin's album after, you know, twenty five years
Speaker 2: later or whatever it is, and what kind of still
Speaker 2: fuels you to be so passionate about this shit because
Speaker 2: you were active still to this day. You know, you're
Speaker 2: always dropping projects, joint projects, working with up and coming artists.
Speaker 3: Man, yeah, part one was back then.
Speaker 1: It was pre mixtapes, before mixtapes got really crazy, So
Speaker 1: doing a record like this was something unique, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 3: There was only a few motherfuckers doing.
Speaker 1: That where I just a lot of people was asking
Speaker 1: me to do tracks for them for their albums, and
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'm good man. I'd just rather
Speaker 1: just build my group and do my shit, but you
Speaker 1: all can come and be on my shit. Then once
Speaker 1: the mixtape Eric kicked off, everything was just mixtapes. So
Speaker 1: then it was just it wass nothing really special about
Speaker 1: making these records nor more because you can go get
Speaker 1: a fly as mixtape. So I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna do another one, So I just I
Speaker 1: record all the time. So recording the homies come through
Speaker 1: record record, stacking songs, stacking songs, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I got some shit right here. What am I gonna
Speaker 1: do and I was like, I was. I had three
Speaker 1: or four different ideas of the way to put it out,
Speaker 1: and then I was just gonna probably drop a song
Speaker 1: every two months for the next three years. And then
Speaker 1: gold Watch came through and I was like, Yo, I
Speaker 1: need you to help me figure something out, man, I
Speaker 1: need to build something visually for this record, because I
Speaker 1: feel like just doing videos.
Speaker 2: Yeah the video I saw that. I only saw the trailer,
Speaker 2: but the trailer looked like a fucking full fledged cinematic yeah.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm tired of videos, man, what
Speaker 1: can we do brocause I'm not putting this record on.
Speaker 1: I was like, let's let's build something that's like ten
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes long. He's like, man, that's a that's that's
Speaker 1: gonna be hard. And I was like, you know shit.
Speaker 1: And we started. We shot and pre prepped for like
Speaker 1: a month. I ended up shooting in Death Valley, Oakland,
Speaker 1: San Francisco, Vegas, LA and ended up being a thirty
Speaker 1: four minute movie.
Speaker 2: Crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We shot videos.
Speaker 1: We shot music videos, and they're in the movie on
Speaker 1: the TV like in the trap House, Mayhem's videos on
Speaker 1: the TV in the Trap House, Rock Mars he's.
Speaker 3: Building a bomb.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: And you know his video. I'm watching his video in
Speaker 1: my house while he's building a bomb. In the video,
Speaker 1: I'm holding the bomb, so it's psychedelic. It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you're familiar with Alejandro Jodoroski, So I've
Speaker 1: compared more like a Jada Roski meets Pink Floyd with
Speaker 1: hip hop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy because I feel like, not like you
Speaker 2: said back in the day, what you did was unique,
Speaker 2: and I feel like in today's climate, doing a thirty
Speaker 2: four minute like mini movie is unique as well. And
Speaker 2: we've seen like movies to go along with albums. I
Speaker 2: feel like people don't do that shit nomore because they're
Speaker 2: like so worried about like the microwaveable attention span of
Speaker 2: people instead of like, yo, let me do something dope, unique, creative.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I did it for me, man, I can give a fuck,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I did it all for me,
Speaker 1: Like how can I keep myself entertained? Yeah, and how
Speaker 1: can I do something that's just fund just to get
Speaker 1: up and do everything? I'm a little challenging something I
Speaker 1: ain't done before. So that was the driving forced it
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, I done did everything I've set out
Speaker 1: to do years ago, So you know, just keep just
Speaker 1: keep tricking my brain and stretching myself and having a
Speaker 1: good time doing this shit.
Speaker 2: Is that what keeps you going? It's like, I'm doing
Speaker 2: this for me.
Speaker 3: Really, I do it for me.
Speaker 1: But you know, at the same time, man, I love
Speaker 1: I love the kind of music we make, this underground
Speaker 1: hip hop shit that it's nothing different than I've always made.
Speaker 1: But you know, I figure I can come here now
Speaker 1: and just champion what's going on and just build build
Speaker 1: this culture and make it bigger and stretch it, make
Speaker 1: it stronger, you know what I mean, inspire the youth,
Speaker 1: and then also give guidance and and and let them
Speaker 1: tap into my fan base, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and grab some of these youngsters and like show them,
Speaker 1: show them the way.
Speaker 2: Now, it's been dope to see, like your run just continue.
Speaker 2: And I just had to talk with al recently because
Speaker 2: I'm always trying to push rappers to do albums with
Speaker 2: Alchemists that you know, I just did this with Jada
Speaker 2: Kiss on the podcast. I was like, why have you
Speaker 2: done a whole album with Alchemists?
Speaker 3: No? Shit crazy, that'd be crazy.
Speaker 2: But I'd like to see you, like you know, you're
Speaker 2: like I always working with artists and like doing like
Speaker 2: for pledged like bodies of work, whether it's like Jay
Speaker 2: Worthy or may Him Loran, Like you're very much like
Speaker 2: you know, it feels like you're still in your peak
Speaker 2: and you're still like, like you said that the underground
Speaker 2: shit has changed over the years, the quot unquote underground
Speaker 2: hip hop shit has definitely changed from what like it
Speaker 2: might have been in like two thousand, two thousand and
Speaker 2: one or whatever, but like you're still like fully engaged
Speaker 2: and like pushing that culture. And like, to me, that's
Speaker 2: that's very dope because you know, just from a DJ perspective,
Speaker 2: like I find the little things that keep me still
Speaker 2: like motivated and engaged to try to like still listen
Speaker 2: to new artists, you know what I mean. And and
Speaker 2: so it's just dope to see you still you know,
Speaker 2: fully fucking in it.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you know, just having a good time, man,
Speaker 1: and you know, just be able to just hang out
Speaker 1: and kick it with the homies and talk some shit,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: What was the homage to Death Valley Why so So?
Speaker 2: Assassin's three Death Valley on.
Speaker 3: This because that's the title of the movie.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's the movie that comes with it.
Speaker 3: It's is Death Valley.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the hottest fucking place on Earth, it
Speaker 1: is you know what I'm saying. So and it's you know,
Speaker 1: and one of the things in the movie is I
Speaker 1: left La to get away from the heat, you know,
Speaker 1: go to Death Valley.
Speaker 3: Ironic, right, It's very ironic for sure.
Speaker 2: What was that for you? Because you know, there's always
Speaker 2: so many when you have so many moving parts on
Speaker 2: a body of work. When it comes to getting an
Speaker 2: artist to like sign off on stuff, you have to
Speaker 2: deal with that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every you know, a lot of everybody on this record,
Speaker 1: I have relationships with them in the past, you know.
Speaker 1: So it was pretty easy, man, It was pretty this
Speaker 1: this record was pretty easy. There was nothing, nothing crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also, like a lot of guys are independent, right.
Speaker 1: Or you know what I'm saying, and they run in
Speaker 1: the game a little bit different these days. Like you know, before,
Speaker 1: dealing with majors and dealing with labels and the sign
Speaker 1: offs and the clearances and the sample clearances. She was
Speaker 1: a headache you know a lot of times. Right now
Speaker 1: you can be under the radar with a lot of
Speaker 1: this ship.
Speaker 2: Well, I always static Selected always told me. I was
Speaker 2: always like, hey, bro, like you guys clear it clearly samples.
Speaker 2: And he's like, man, he's like, look, bro, we just
Speaker 2: left you fly. And if we got to get it
Speaker 2: clear later, that means it's doing with something.
Speaker 1: Basically, if it's under a certain number, they ain't even coming.
Speaker 1: They ain't wasting their time, you know, right, and and
Speaker 1: if it pops off later, then you know it's all good.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what sucks, dude, is like I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've if you've experienced this from your perspective,
Speaker 2: but a lot of like major label artists or the
Speaker 2: labels will be very specific to make sure, like I'll
Speaker 2: play me something with no sample. They don't even want
Speaker 2: to clear samples any.
Speaker 1: They don't want to deal with this shit because they
Speaker 1: get hit hard man, Like, like a major is gonna
Speaker 1: have to deal with that shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And they're gonna get hit because it's a major and
Speaker 1: they know they got bread, so they.
Speaker 2: Go different if they don't want to do it. The
Speaker 2: lawyer from Universals reaching out as opposed to like.
Speaker 1: It freezes up their whole project. You know, thank god,
Speaker 1: now they just got to pull a song or two
Speaker 1: off a digital streaming side instead of pulling all the
Speaker 1: records off the shelves.
Speaker 2: That it was a lot easier. Yeah, imagine having to
Speaker 2: go to every zero record.
Speaker 1: Five hundred thousand records out of Tower Records, and you
Speaker 1: know all that shit that happened. You've seen it happen
Speaker 1: with Biz, You've seen it happen with Truth Hurts, with Dre,
Speaker 1: with the rock Kim song that was a big Bollywood sample. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they put that shit out and that shit got took
Speaker 1: that shit off the shows.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of.
Speaker 1: Fucking money to eat you pull in a million pieces
Speaker 1: of vinyl off the shows.
Speaker 2: I have a random question that I've always been curious about.
Speaker 2: On Obie Trice's album, his first album, there's the song
Speaker 2: We All Die One Day, Tony Yao starts off shouting
Speaker 2: out soul assassins and then, in my opinion my favorite
Speaker 2: eminem versus ever, he shouts out be real said dog,
Speaker 2: what was the Was there any sort of soul assassins
Speaker 2: connection with that song? Like? Why was like Tony Yeo
Speaker 2: shout y'all out?
Speaker 1: Well, here's what it was man. So that song was
Speaker 1: for the next Sol Assassin album. Oh, so that's what
Speaker 1: that song was for. We had started it at that
Speaker 1: time and you know, and it was like I don't
Speaker 1: know if I want to do another one at the time,
Speaker 1: and then Obie was working on his record and Paul's
Speaker 1: I got can we use it for Obi when it's
Speaker 1: time to dors, we'll do another one And I was
Speaker 1: like absolutely, no problem was push it that way. But
Speaker 1: that's what that ship was for.
Speaker 2: Crazy, So that was supposed to be on the next
Speaker 2: Sol Assassins. Wow when you heard Eminem's verse on that song,
Speaker 2: because I think, I truly think it's the best Eminem
Speaker 2: verse ever. And I also I think it's the most
Speaker 2: underrated song of like that whole era of like g
Speaker 2: Unit Shady records.
Speaker 3: That song so crazy almost crazy. Yeah. We was managed
Speaker 3: by Paul for like six seven years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so at the time, you know, we was rolling thick,
Speaker 1: so everything was in the house back then.
Speaker 2: So we just had a names up here shout I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna see him in New York next week. I love Neams.
Speaker 2: He's great. He's just like kind of just vintage nineties,
Speaker 2: like disrespect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all day long.
Speaker 2: Man, he told me a story. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: so you know his lyrics on his due, I mean,
Speaker 2: his lyrics all the time are pretty crazy. But he
Speaker 2: was like yeah, man, so like me and Paul went
Speaker 2: to Spotify and we're in a room full of like
Speaker 2: people playing of the album and he's like, that's that
Speaker 2: was the one time I felt really awkward because like,
Speaker 2: I have a song where I'm talking about slapping the
Speaker 2: shit out of women, like if they disrespect and he's like,
Speaker 2: you could just see all the women in the meeting
Speaker 2: just like bes like visually uncomfortable, and he's like I
Speaker 2: had to stop it and be like, guys, this is
Speaker 2: all tongue and.
Speaker 3: Cheek like like that. That's the best.
Speaker 2: That's that early two thousands nineties energy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Man, he came with it on this shit too. Boy.
Speaker 3: It was good to hear.
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite song on the album?
Speaker 3: Man? Oh shit, I like them all, man.
Speaker 1: I think I went through periods or this one was
Speaker 1: my favorite that I recorded, this one, This was my favorite.
Speaker 1: This was my favorite. So right now, man, I'm just
Speaker 1: you know, out here just enjoying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, Like, let's just be clear. You have Scarface
Speaker 2: on this album with Freddie Gibbs. You got ev Demo,
Speaker 2: Genesis jay Worthy too. I mean, this is crazy method.
Speaker 2: Man is Slick Rick? How do you get Slick Rick
Speaker 2: on a record in twenty twenty three?
Speaker 1: Just be patient, man, Just just be patient. I reached
Speaker 1: out to you know, it's like pretty much man, the
Speaker 1: homies all came through. I reached out and said, Rick,
Speaker 1: we're doing this. He's a fan, yeah, a fan of mine,
Speaker 1: and he should be and he does. He plays jump
Speaker 1: Around every night in the show, one of his favorite songs. Ever,
Speaker 1: So when I reached out and let him know what
Speaker 1: I was doing, He's like, yeah, I got you. Where's
Speaker 1: the beat? Gave him the beat and I had methemat
Speaker 1: on it already, and you know, that was probably like
Speaker 1: two years ago that song.
Speaker 2: Was been doing. I want to say one of the
Speaker 2: first singles was the record with be Real Ran and Cube, right,
Speaker 2: And I remember seeing that and being like, Yo, you
Speaker 2: don't see mc wren's name anywhere anymore. Nah, like that
Speaker 2: that's a big deal to get him in Cube together
Speaker 2: on a song in twenty twenty three. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: especially with be Real. Like if you just think about
Speaker 2: like La hip hop, Like that's a crazy comedy.
Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking, Like what do we do
Speaker 3: with this? Man? Like b ro was on like where
Speaker 3: do we go with this song? Right here?
Speaker 1: And I was just like, Yo, let's get Cube and
Speaker 1: Ran and Drey and Snoop and Snoop is gonna do
Speaker 1: they just timing, just timing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to talk in the intros, He's like
Speaker 1: I got you at the time, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I got to turn this shit in now, but give
Speaker 1: me next time for you.
Speaker 2: Man, I feel like your production style is so unique,
Speaker 2: and it's like I feel like you there's producers these days,
Speaker 2: I feel like have kind of lost the sense of
Speaker 2: like style, at least the bigger ones. Like I feel
Speaker 2: like a lot of these guys's beats are kind of interchangeable,
Speaker 2: Like you could tell me that it was produced by
Speaker 2: this person or this person. You're like, oh yeah, But
Speaker 2: I feel like DJ Muggs your shit is so like
Speaker 2: you have your signature sound like and I'm just curious,
Speaker 2: like when you first started making beats, what was like
Speaker 2: your like where did you draw inspiration from? Man?
Speaker 1: Like, well, first, you know, coming up, man, you had
Speaker 1: to be different and have your own style.
Speaker 3: You was whack. You couldn't even use a sample somebody used.
Speaker 3: If you did, you was garbage.
Speaker 2: And you had to find your own samples.
Speaker 1: Like original samples, like if somebody yeah, if you ah
Speaker 1: those drums, they use those drums because there was something
Speaker 1: about that, you know what I'm saying. And even for cypressmen,
Speaker 1: the way we dressed the slang. We have our own slang,
Speaker 1: you know, dressed, have our own look, have our own
Speaker 1: musical style. So all that was important.
Speaker 3: You was whack. You was a bidist. So for me,
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: I grew up with a lot of classic rock around
Speaker 1: and and my mom was in the motown, so I
Speaker 1: had a lot of you know, psychedelic classic rock fucking
Speaker 1: influences Led Zeppelin, Jimmy Hendricks, but with hip hop, run DMC, COOJ,
Speaker 1: Public Enemy, and then everything Molly mal did, every single
Speaker 1: Molly mag that came out with back in those days,
Speaker 1: it seemed like he was reinventing the game with every
Speaker 1: fucking single.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: When you heard the Bridge and then you heard Poison
Speaker 1: and then you heard Raw and you was like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck is this shit? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and then everything Larry Smith, did you know Ultra Magnetics,
Speaker 1: Booget Down Productions, like all that shit, right, there was
Speaker 1: like all that like mixed up in gumbo and then
Speaker 1: going through my filter and spit it back out.
Speaker 2: I wasn't to say too like you were very like
Speaker 2: engaged with what was going on in New York too,
Speaker 2: for being a West Coast guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I grew up in New York. I moved here
Speaker 1: when I was twelve, and then I would always go back.
Speaker 1: I would always stay out there. I had an apartment
Speaker 1: out there for like fifteen years. Yeah, I would always
Speaker 1: be in here.
Speaker 2: You guys did the second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, back then we start, you blow up,
Speaker 1: and then it's just too much shit going on, friends, shit,
Speaker 1: everybody hanging out.
Speaker 3: I was like this over here, which is us locked
Speaker 3: in a room by ourselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you guys in LA after that first album,
Speaker 2: the studio sessions, Yeah, help would.
Speaker 1: Be distracted and everybody was. You couldn't and then everybody
Speaker 1: was busy. You know, there's all these new people around
Speaker 1: and this and that and millions of dollars, you know,
Speaker 1: and we're twenty one years old. So it was like,
Speaker 1: let's go to New York and it's just us getting up,
Speaker 1: going to the studio, back to the crib, back to
Speaker 1: the studio.
Speaker 3: That's all we did.
Speaker 2: That shit's fire Man, and.
Speaker 3: We knocked that shit out in a month. The record.
Speaker 3: We knocked that record out of the month.
Speaker 1: The label was like, we need that shit now, so
Speaker 1: we went in and knocked it out right quick. I
Speaker 1: suppose the first record took like three four years. It
Speaker 1: was a whole life, you know, up to that point.
Speaker 1: The second one, I think we only did I think
Speaker 1: some of the songs even came out before. I think
Speaker 1: we only did eight songs new ones because we had
Speaker 1: hand on the glock had already came out. A t
Speaker 1: DK came out, a White Man Can't Jump soundtrack, Yep,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There was a couple of
Speaker 1: interludes on there, so you know, some of that shit
Speaker 1: had came out already, but that shit was fucking and
Speaker 1: then sound Scan was brand new when that record came out.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot. SoundScan wasn't around, Like.
Speaker 3: It just came out like in between our first and
Speaker 3: second album.
Speaker 2: No, it's crazy too, because I just think, like in
Speaker 2: terms of, like, you know, for whatever reason, I feel
Speaker 2: like somehow Cypress Hill gets like overlooked when we talk
Speaker 2: about like goat conversations like greatest groups of all time.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like if you grew up in
Speaker 2: LA or you grew up on the West Coast, you understand.
Speaker 2: But I feel like, for whatever reason, you guys are
Speaker 2: not underrated, but somehow underrated. Does that make sense, Like
Speaker 2: you guys are still doing festivals, it's I mean, platinum records,
Speaker 2: But I still feel like for whatever reason, like like
Speaker 2: we got to bring up that name in the mixed
Speaker 2: more when we talk about the greatest groups of all time?
Speaker 3: Right right right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Man, I don't know shit. I can give a fuck,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. What we set out to do,
Speaker 1: we're doing it, you know what I mean. So that's
Speaker 1: all I give a fuck about.
Speaker 2: So how did you end up getting with House of
Speaker 2: Pain back in the day before? Cause I knew you
Speaker 2: guys had a little falling out for.
Speaker 3: A sec, but it was an accident.
Speaker 1: Man, Like I was dating this girl that actually was
Speaker 1: cousins of Everlast his DJ, and I would go over
Speaker 1: there and he'd be at the crib and I'd be
Speaker 1: like all right and the Cypress demo the Cypress we
Speaker 1: was signed already, but the album. I had the album
Speaker 1: on the red cassette and I gave it to her,
Speaker 1: but the album didn't come out for six months. So
Speaker 1: the next time I went over there a couple of times,
Speaker 1: Everlast was there. He was listening to the tape. He's like, yo,
Speaker 1: we got to get in the studio. I was like, nah,
Speaker 1: I'm good man. And after three or four times, I
Speaker 1: was like, I was talking to b real and Bro
Speaker 1: was like, man, just fuck it funk with him. I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, So I went in and did
Speaker 1: put your head out the crib and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is cool. Then the homies was bumping it, and
Speaker 1: then I was like, I got the song called jump Around,
Speaker 1: so I had already recorded it with Soundobe. I recorded
Speaker 1: it with Daddy Freddy from Ragg Him Up and Hip Hop,
Speaker 1: and I had a song had the hook. He came
Speaker 1: in and wrote the shit and I was like, now
Speaker 1: rewrite it with that cadence right there, and he wrote
Speaker 1: the shit and then we had to joint and to.
Speaker 2: One of the greatest party songs of all time.
Speaker 1: Shop Shop the deal Man I know funk Master Flex
Speaker 1: wanted to sign us that priority records for like I
Speaker 1: think it was like fifty five sixty g's. He had
Speaker 1: special head over there. At the time.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know fuck Flex worked at Priory. He's crazy.
Speaker 1: And then it was weird because Monica Lynch show for
Speaker 1: a Tommy Boy wanted to sign us, and so I
Speaker 1: went and had a meeting with her, and she was like,
Speaker 1: she was irish, so she's like, this reminds me of
Speaker 1: my family. This is like my brothers would go to church,
Speaker 1: then they'd go to uh to the bar and get
Speaker 1: drunk and fight. So she got it and off the bat,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So she signed us. She
Speaker 1: got us like three hundred dollars back then, and then
Speaker 1: I hooked him up in our management. The guys who
Speaker 1: did offer our pictures. Huke up with those guys, and
Speaker 1: David Press, who did our video, I come up with them.
Speaker 1: So it was pretty much the formula.
Speaker 2: So you kind of just say, here's our formula, run
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 3: Run with it, and it worked and worked with it
Speaker 3: like a motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Like a motherfucker yo, I always wondered. So there was
Speaker 2: like this era I'm really close with Dilated People's and
Speaker 2: Raka and Iris Science and Bamboo and obviously Shot I
Speaker 2: did the best. Hell yeah, I love those guys. They
Speaker 2: really opened my world taste in another whole other way
Speaker 2: to like digging into like different ship that I was
Speaker 2: into at the time. But I remember as a kid
Speaker 2: there was the random because you were close, like you
Speaker 2: were cool with Paul obviously right, you're cool with M.
Speaker 2: But then there's like this weird beef between like Dilated
Speaker 2: People's Everlasting. Emine, did you ever try to like bring
Speaker 2: those guys together? Nah?
Speaker 3: It was weird, man.
Speaker 1: I think I think Everlast from what I remember correctly,
Speaker 1: you know, don't quote me here, but I think Everlast
Speaker 1: scene M on the elevator and M just didn't say
Speaker 1: nothing to him. But M's like he didn't look the
Speaker 1: same right and didn't realize that he was He didn't
Speaker 1: realize who he was made right, and and was a
Speaker 1: fucking Everlast fan, you know from what I hear, so
Speaker 1: Everlast just you know, I don't know what happened.
Speaker 3: Then he wrote some shit about.
Speaker 2: Him, Yeah, and then I remember there was like the
Speaker 2: Dilated Ship and then Evidence had a song called Searching
Speaker 2: for Bobby Fisher. So I was just wondering because you
Speaker 2: were kind of like, it's felt like Switzerland. You might
Speaker 2: have you know, I don't know if you try to
Speaker 2: put a call in.
Speaker 1: Nah nah, I just figured all that y'all fucked up.
Speaker 1: You're fucking with them. Got good luck with that ship man,
Speaker 1: like even why But I don't even think I heard
Speaker 1: the Dilated song ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was an evidence song called searching for Bobby Fisher.
Speaker 3: That was that.
Speaker 1: I heard that one now, but I had a napster hit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I brought Paul. I remember when I met Paul.
Speaker 1: I flew him out to LA to meet with me
Speaker 1: and I had a barbecue to manage Cyprus and he
Speaker 1: came out here. And that's how I met Paul because
Speaker 1: the Theo Theo was my lawyer and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I need a new manager, bro, And he's like, well
Speaker 1: you resist before before Rock Superstar album, so like two
Speaker 1: thousand ninety nine, and he's like, yo, I got this
Speaker 1: this lawyer. He's got an ear like me, and he's
Speaker 1: managing this artist Eminem And we didn't blow up there.
Speaker 1: I was like, I flew his ass out, had a
Speaker 1: barbecue and locked in with Paul what.
Speaker 2: What was was? It labeled like why did you guys
Speaker 2: do a rap superstar and a rock superstar? Difference?
Speaker 3: Because check this out. So we was up at Columbia
Speaker 3: and you know, now we're going into the fifth album,
Speaker 3: so we'd go to the Urban Department.
Speaker 2: That was after the after Doctor Green number before after
Speaker 2: after That's right.
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, that was four. There was a
Speaker 1: fifth album now. So we would go up to the
Speaker 1: label and was like, all right, this scoose is marketing plan.
Speaker 1: I go to the Urban Department. There was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: you guys are you guys are alternative?
Speaker 3: Like no, we ain't.
Speaker 1: So we go up to the We go up to
Speaker 1: the next floor and they was like no, you guys
Speaker 1: are the Urban Department. And they didn't work together, and
Speaker 1: everybody's passing the buck. Nobody wanted to do their fucking job,
Speaker 1: and I was like, fucking pieces of shit.
Speaker 3: Check this out.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you all a rock song and a
Speaker 1: rap song. So now what's your fucking excuse?
Speaker 2: You can work?
Speaker 3: You got one? You got one? So I did.
Speaker 1: We had a song called Can't Get the Best of
Speaker 1: Me and Rap Superstar, and then I walked into the
Speaker 1: meeting with Donnieina and he was like, no, this is
Speaker 1: the single. We're not doing rock song, but this is
Speaker 1: the single. I'm putting all the money behind this one.
Speaker 1: I was like, Fuck, this ain't gonna work. So I
Speaker 1: went in the studio a couple of days later and
Speaker 1: did the remix for Rock Superstar.
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Speaker 2: because I was because coming from the radio side, you know,
Speaker 2: I've done radio my whole life, and like you said,
Speaker 2: there's sometimes where there be a record like uh there
Speaker 2: was a shot on my I have a friend a
Speaker 2: yellow Wolf foo at a song and he put a
Speaker 2: song out through Shady called Let's Roll. But Kid Rock
Speaker 2: was on the hook, so he ran into that issue
Speaker 2: where he was like a hip hop artist. But they're like,
Speaker 2: we don't know what to.
Speaker 1: Do with it because you know it's like hip hop andspa.
Speaker 1: But it's like we grew bigger than hip hop. We
Speaker 1: just became our own thing. You know, for sure, we
Speaker 1: got so big and you know, just harnessing that rock
Speaker 1: and roll energy, like I said, Public Enemy, ll run DMC,
Speaker 1: Beastie boys, you know what I mean, and just coming
Speaker 1: from that DNA from that side. And so that's why
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, here's something from both of y'all.
Speaker 1: But both of y'all can work and nobody can complain
Speaker 1: and point fingers because the record before they dropped the
Speaker 1: ball because nobody was working it, because there was nobody
Speaker 1: wanted to do their fucking job. The point fingers, right,
Speaker 1: So I say, maybe this is the way the way
Speaker 1: around it. And plus at that time, you know, I
Speaker 1: was seeing all these whack motherfuckers that couldn't really rhyme,
Speaker 1: but they was wrapping on rock shit where they sounded decent,
Speaker 1: you know, and they was having these big careers.
Speaker 3: What year was that, ninety nine?
Speaker 2: That was very much that was very much the the
Speaker 2: era of that happening.
Speaker 1: So then I was on the and the other layer
Speaker 1: to that shit was me like, oh yeah, well, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I could do this shit too. Yes, we do some
Speaker 1: rock shit and let me let me bang on y'all
Speaker 1: motherfuckers with this ship. And then at the same time
Speaker 1: I produced them some shit for Pearl Jam and Sonic
Speaker 1: Youth Crazy. I mean, it's some different rock bands just
Speaker 1: to like let me see what I can do and just.
Speaker 2: Don't you know you did to a tumble pro Jam
Speaker 2: that's amazing. Shout out to Pro Jam, Yo. You guys
Speaker 2: were a part of like some of the crazy, you know.
Speaker 2: I always tell people like there was festivals, and like
Speaker 2: people think of festivals these days, I feel like festivals
Speaker 2: in like the late nineties early two thousands were like
Speaker 2: extremely like different.
Speaker 3: Everything was different.
Speaker 2: The drugs were really out there.
Speaker 3: The nineties was the shit, man.
Speaker 1: It was like it was one of the best times
Speaker 1: period and I'm blessed to be able to be in
Speaker 1: that time. And then also this new time with all
Speaker 1: this new technology, for sure be able to be in
Speaker 1: an analog world in this digital.
Speaker 2: NB relevant in both. But I was gonna ask you,
Speaker 2: what is like the craziest crowd where you you guys
Speaker 2: were performing and you just looked out and you were like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 1: A couple of times, one of them was was the
Speaker 1: Wedding Festival. We were the first rap group to ever
Speaker 1: headline reading, you know, one hundred and fifty thousand crazy
Speaker 1: looking at that, and then you know, motherfuckers with the
Speaker 1: soccer chants and everybody with the flags, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 3: It just looked like some revolution shit.
Speaker 1: And then it was probably the ninety three Woodstock ninety
Speaker 1: three Woodstock five one hundred and fifty thousand people. They
Speaker 1: had to fly us into a helicopter because the traffic
Speaker 1: was fucking five hour traffic jams.
Speaker 2: Yet I just watched the ninety nine Woodstock documentary, which
Speaker 2: was looked insane. Yeah, ninety three had to be crazy.
Speaker 2: Half a million people, half a million people. Who do
Speaker 2: you remember who was on the bill with you?
Speaker 1: I think Santana was after us. And because we were
Speaker 1: in and out, there wasn't even dressrooms.
Speaker 2: It was we don't want y'all hanging out in and out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the only one I remember.
Speaker 2: That's fucking crazy, man.
Speaker 1: But a lot of palooz was popping off back then,
Speaker 1: smoking groove tours, you know, we did every smoking grooves
Speaker 1: pretty much, like five of them.
Speaker 3: In a row. Yo.
Speaker 2: Has there ever been like somebody who's for whatever reason
Speaker 2: escaped you in terms of someone you want to work with,
Speaker 2: because I feel like you've worked with so many people.
Speaker 1: Nah, man, I'm all about building, man. Like even with Cyprus,
Speaker 1: I was like, I never wanted to be a producer,
Speaker 1: where like my me coming up was depending on somebody
Speaker 1: else's success, right, So I was like, we was always
Speaker 1: about building our own shit. No guest appearances, our own shit,
Speaker 1: do our own shit, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: even even now, I like newer artists, like working with
Speaker 1: with a tf like young in Rome Streets.
Speaker 3: When I first met Rome crazy.
Speaker 1: You know, all Rome's fucking boom, you know, pre Gazelda
Speaker 1: days and just finding these youngsters, I get more. I
Speaker 1: got more excitement out of that ship, you know, But no,
Speaker 1: I think it probably shod day, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'd want to work with shod Day. But there's nobody
Speaker 1: that that. Everybody anybody else I really tripping.
Speaker 2: Did you ever get close to doing anything with Hove?
Speaker 3: Nah? I never. I don't even think I met him.
Speaker 2: Crazy, that's crazy, you would think for you, because you've
Speaker 2: been doing a lot of full collab albums. I think
Speaker 2: back to like one of the first producer MC albums
Speaker 2: to me that I kind of just heralded, like very
Speaker 2: high in my life was the first album you did
Speaker 2: with the JIT album, the Masterminds Grand Master's Grand Masters. Yeah,
Speaker 2: crazy body of work. But you've still done, like you've
Speaker 2: done such a good job of like doing these like fully,
Speaker 2: you know, cohesive collaborative albums with other artists. I feel
Speaker 2: like a lot of people are kind of doing that
Speaker 2: now as well.
Speaker 3: It wasn't on it like that.
Speaker 2: It wasn't on it the first guy I really kind
Speaker 2: of did that.
Speaker 3: You had to do in Versus Records.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just Asia ill Bill we did back in like
Speaker 1: what two three, I think it was something like that,
Speaker 1: oh four. Yeah, Me and Jiz are always clicked, man. From
Speaker 1: the first day we got into lab, we always clicked, man,
Speaker 1: And it was just everything was smooth and easy, and
Speaker 1: you know, We just kept communicating all through the times,
Speaker 1: you know, and kept in touch and then we then
Speaker 1: we got together into Grand Masters. But it was a
Speaker 1: weird time because at that time, it was right after
Speaker 1: Napster and the fucking the whole ass fell out the
Speaker 1: music industry. So we went from selling underground records two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand records to selling fucking five thousand records.
Speaker 1: So it was before YouTube, it was before Spotify, it
Speaker 1: was before Apple Music, and then the music the records
Speaker 1: weren't selling, so you was there.
Speaker 3: Was like this three or four year period. We was like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck's going on?
Speaker 2: Brow, how do we monetize it?
Speaker 1: Nobody knew what was going on. It was a weird
Speaker 1: ass time, you know what I mean. So alls I
Speaker 1: know is you just stay consistent to keep going. That's
Speaker 1: the one thing about my crew man from me Al
Speaker 1: Cartoon is Stevan Cyprus. We just never stopped. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: never stopped through it all.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you, what is something that you've
Speaker 2: because you're obviously, like you said, there was that point
Speaker 2: in time where you've been a part of every for
Speaker 2: the most part, era of hip hop in terms of
Speaker 2: like the way the business is right, Like you guys
Speaker 2: first came home with SoundScan, hit now with faster.
Speaker 1: Eighties like eighties. My first group, you gotta remember, with
Speaker 1: seven A three. I didn't know in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1: Like my first gold record was Colors seven A three
Speaker 1: mad Man World in the movie Colors. So I signed
Speaker 1: with seven A three in eighty eight and we was,
Speaker 1: we signed a rush management shot and we're doing stadium tours,
Speaker 1: opening up for Salt and Pepper, opening up for Hammer,
Speaker 1: opening up for Tony Tony tone Em Hammer. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: was on the tour with Hammer, Tony, Tony Tony and today.
Speaker 2: What's the mc hammer tour?
Speaker 3: Like back then, stadiums crazy as fuck.
Speaker 2: Like I don't think people understand like he was like
Speaker 2: a fucking like pop star for real. Super I have
Speaker 2: an mc hammer Barbie.
Speaker 3: I'm talking, I'm talking.
Speaker 2: You see mc hammer Barbie sitting now, yeah.
Speaker 1: Talking, you know, twenty five thousand people a night and
Speaker 1: it's doing stadiums Man's you know, and then Salt and Pepper,
Speaker 1: Kwame was on the tour. Wow, so you know, just
Speaker 1: being young, and then i'd come back to Cypress, you know,
Speaker 1: and like I'm eighteen nineteen and I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: figuring this music shit out fellas, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So seven eighty three really taught me about the music business,
Speaker 1: and I just brought all that fucking knowledge back to
Speaker 1: Cypress because there was no Google or right even even
Speaker 1: to learn the DJ, I had to go to the
Speaker 1: club and watch the DJ and fucking listen to the radio.
Speaker 3: That's how I learned. There was no scratch Academy and
Speaker 3: no shit.
Speaker 2: Right, none of that. You just had to really just
Speaker 2: learn on the job.
Speaker 3: Just watch, watch and try to remember and figure it out.
Speaker 2: Was I always heard mc Everyone always says Hammers like
Speaker 2: a real ass dude, for real, for real, like he's certified.
Speaker 2: Like but but you also hear like he always had
Speaker 2: like a big entourage with him.
Speaker 3: Oh he had a big assentsraage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you you'd come on the stage, you know,
Speaker 1: your little hype man and maybe one little dancer, and
Speaker 1: he'd come out with like sixteen dancers, crazy, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and a hype man that was like
Speaker 1: Little John back then, like screaming and shit talking shit.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that was crazy man.
Speaker 1: It was a good experience to have those tours, you know,
Speaker 1: and then with cypress you like I already knew. I
Speaker 1: already knew what's going to happen. I was like, the
Speaker 1: success is waiting for us in the future. We just
Speaker 1: got to get to it.
Speaker 2: Fellas I was gonna say for you, though, what are
Speaker 2: the things that you could give advice to somebody who's
Speaker 2: an independent artist, maybe has like a modest following. How
Speaker 2: can they really monetize music now? Because I feel like
Speaker 2: it's not what it used to be. Streaming doesn't pay
Speaker 2: the greatest.
Speaker 1: Well, you got to build a career, man, So I
Speaker 1: think you got a tour. You got to go through shows, man,
Speaker 1: even if you're not getting paid. You go playing for
Speaker 1: the nine people, always doing the place. The next time
Speaker 1: you're playing from the twenty, next time you're playing front
Speaker 1: the thirty five. You know, in two years and be
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty people there. So the energy of
Speaker 1: the shows, and make sure you have your merch and
Speaker 1: you're doing your pop ups and you're live on it,
Speaker 1: and you're live on social media talking to your people,
Speaker 1: you know, and then doing your streaming and be consistent.
Speaker 1: And I think all that ship together. You you put
Speaker 1: that together, and you stay consistent, you build a career.
Speaker 1: You know, some motherfuckers just want to like stream ship
Speaker 1: and maybe might get a show in New York and
Speaker 1: then that's it. Or you might get a show and
Speaker 1: then they don't They get money there, but they don't
Speaker 1: want to go do shows in other cities because there's
Speaker 1: no bread. But I was like, you got to go
Speaker 1: plant the flag.
Speaker 2: Bro, You you got to build the fan base.
Speaker 3: You gotta go build it.
Speaker 2: I always tell people like, just because you have a
Speaker 2: big song doesn't mean you have a big following. There's
Speaker 2: people who have platinum records that can't sell a fucking
Speaker 2: concert ticket period, Like.
Speaker 3: And that's going to tell you where you're what fans
Speaker 3: you really have? Man?
Speaker 1: Is it like are you actually getting streams because you
Speaker 1: have features? Or are you getting streams because you have
Speaker 1: fans that really love you? And then that's going to
Speaker 1: translate to those people will come out and don't support
Speaker 1: you shirt.
Speaker 3: So a lot of that ships.
Speaker 1: It's a little pumped up, you know what I mean
Speaker 1: when you got a lot of features on your records,
Speaker 1: because you'll see all you don't you can't sell a
Speaker 1: hard ticket outside of you can't even sell a hard
Speaker 1: ticket in your city.
Speaker 3: You can only get on shows with motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you, you tell me the story
Speaker 2: on how you and Alchemist met and how he became
Speaker 2: a part of the sol.
Speaker 3: I met al when he was like thirteen.
Speaker 1: I had this manager and they was like, hey, you
Speaker 1: want to make a lot of money, and I was like,
Speaker 1: well when you talk about six. So we got this
Speaker 1: little rap group, two little white kids from Beverly Hills,
Speaker 1: and I was like, get that bullshit the fuck out here.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was James Conson.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I didn't meet him. I didn't see him.
Speaker 1: I was just like the concept of that shit was like,
Speaker 1: were you trying to do like a criss cross?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but white Chris Raby House of Pain.
Speaker 1: And I was like, so I think they ended up
Speaker 1: bringing him to be real and be real work with him.
Speaker 1: But then I met al and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is kid's cool as fuck. He reminds me of me,
Speaker 1: like just like just tenacious, fucking worker, like worker and
Speaker 1: just the love and the fucking and smart and just
Speaker 1: work and work and work and.
Speaker 3: Just on point.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna give this kid access
Speaker 1: and let him be around and then like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just cut all this shit you have to go through
Speaker 1: and just put you right here.
Speaker 3: You were the biggest group in the world.
Speaker 1: Now in the studio, going on tour, hanging out, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and just like give him access
Speaker 1: because I knew all he needed to do is be
Speaker 1: around it. He's such a fucking smart kid and such
Speaker 1: a sponge. You'll figure it out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Just give him access to the ship.
Speaker 2: Was it was he always wanting to step away from
Speaker 2: rapping and just focus on producing.
Speaker 1: When I met him, he didn't make beatsh it okay,
Speaker 1: And then when he did that first time, they was
Speaker 1: they wasn't there. He was learning learning, he was really
Speaker 1: he was a real premier fan and and it was
Speaker 1: just like you know, some sea level premiere like kids ship,
Speaker 1: and he was just I'll be like, nah, that's not it, bro.
Speaker 1: But you knew, like I always knew, Il has that
Speaker 1: that that's it, that it thing, that special fucking thing.
Speaker 1: Like he's just fuck whatever Al decided he wanted to do,
Speaker 1: he was going to be successful in it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. He's just that smart and that fucking
Speaker 1: that that much of a hard worker and that got
Speaker 1: that much focus. So you know, we just brought him,
Speaker 1: put him under my wings. Like, you know, he starts
Speaker 1: seeing how records, albums are made, how studio sessions are run,
Speaker 1: you know, and the little tricks, the little behind the
Speaker 1: ship going on to over us, carrying the crates and shit,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You're on fucking big festival tours,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, at fucking fifteen years old,
Speaker 1: leaving school.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Crazy, and then eventually you know, now he's he's
Speaker 2: alchemist Grabby Navina.
Speaker 3: He's the illess in the game right now.
Speaker 2: Man, I agree, Man, I was just saying, like his
Speaker 2: like last couple of year run has been like it's
Speaker 2: so crazy, Like think about the stuff he's done with Boldie,
Speaker 2: with Freddy, Like he's just been just relentless.
Speaker 1: He hasn't done nothing different. He's been working this hard
Speaker 1: all these years. It's just you know, it's just timing.
Speaker 1: It's just it's the perfect storm.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like the way the music is and the way
Speaker 1: the the what we like, the culture's growing, and then
Speaker 1: just the right artists at the right times with all
Speaker 1: the momentum he's built up over the years.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you your production process, how much
Speaker 2: has it changed over the years, because back in the day,
Speaker 2: everybody we have their go to equipment. Nowadays, like I'll
Speaker 2: like know guys who I never ever thought would touch
Speaker 2: like a digital platform, like who will only be on
Speaker 2: able to They'll only be on pro tools, like what
Speaker 2: is your y?
Speaker 1: It was the same for me, man, I was using
Speaker 1: the SP twelve. I moved over to the MPC and
Speaker 1: then it just I wanted to do some electronic shit
Speaker 1: for fun, and I was like, how do you do
Speaker 1: this shit? And oh, I can't do it on this shit.
Speaker 1: I got to learn this fucking computer. And I was
Speaker 1: like I was the last motherfucker bro to fuck with
Speaker 1: the computer.
Speaker 2: Like you were hanging on to this.
Speaker 1: I was hanging on a two inch everything, and I
Speaker 1: was just like fuck it. So I just took a
Speaker 1: year and just worked on some electronic music and just
Speaker 1: took a year and just dialed, just worked on the
Speaker 1: machine until I figured out, like, oh I can get
Speaker 1: my sound out of this thing. Because it turned into
Speaker 1: a lot more sound designing and you know, getting into
Speaker 1: the fucking the effects.
Speaker 2: Yet there's plugins for everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then having having not having to have a
Speaker 3: big studio and learn everything and fucking plugging everything in
Speaker 3: and just having it right there my fingertips. I was like,
Speaker 3: actually it started getting fun again for me, super fun again,
Speaker 3: you know. And then and then my daughter got to
Speaker 3: a certain age where I was like, oh, I don't
Speaker 3: got to fucking be there all time.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's like six years ago. That's when
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's about me again. Now it's
Speaker 1: my time. Kids are raised. Shit's all good, all right, y'all.
Speaker 1: I love everybody, but it's my time. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: greedy now. It's the most freeze.
Speaker 2: I've ever goneve dive right back in.
Speaker 1: So I think we've done like, you know, thirty four
Speaker 1: to thirty five projects in the last six years.
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Speaker 2: so many joint projects with artists. If you had to
Speaker 2: give me, I don't want to, don't tell me your favorite,
Speaker 2: but if you had to give me outside of the
Speaker 2: Cypher shit, what's been like two or three that stick
Speaker 2: out in your mind in terms of like your favorite
Speaker 2: collaborative projects you've done.
Speaker 1: Man, it's a lot of them. I just enjoy what
Speaker 1: I enjoy, man, is just working with people. You know,
Speaker 1: you got to be a cool motherfucker because sitting a
Speaker 1: fucking studio with you for.
Speaker 3: Two months, you know what I mean? Yeah, we gotta
Speaker 3: like you rather go walk my dog, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So, you know Mayhem. Every time I work with Mayhem
Speaker 1: AND's some fucking blessing. It's great, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I love working with may Man, TF Rome Worthy, you know,
Speaker 1: fucking all these motherfuckers is as cool as fuck.
Speaker 2: Man, Who's who's at all the mcs you've ever worked with?
Speaker 2: Who's the fastest when it comes to just the writing process.
Speaker 1: It used to be, It used to be MC eight
Speaker 1: and then now I went in with them. I went
Speaker 1: in with Cassius one time, and me and Cassius did
Speaker 1: four songs in like a few hours, and then Crime
Speaker 1: Apple came in and did like six songs and four hours.
Speaker 1: I think when I first met him, damn. And And
Speaker 1: what was cool about Crime is he was supposed to
Speaker 1: go back to New York and then it was like
Speaker 1: he came to my radio show and I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: if you want to come jump in the lab them all.
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm supposed to go home, but I'm staying.
Speaker 1: So he stayed did the radio show and you know,
Speaker 1: now we've done a couple of hours and travel the
Speaker 1: world together.
Speaker 2: That's amazing for you. What is what has changed about
Speaker 2: because being on the road, you've seen kind of all
Speaker 2: fascet of that as well. Is it still fun for
Speaker 2: you to go out and do shows and see the
Speaker 2: fans in person?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do it more limited, you know, like I
Speaker 1: still have a good time though, Yeah, I still love
Speaker 1: a good time, like because I don't have to do it,
Speaker 1: but like I like to do it, and so when
Speaker 1: I want to do it, I was like, okay, there's
Speaker 1: three weeks I'm gonna go do shows, and you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of times a year, I'd grab a month
Speaker 1: as to go do some shows.
Speaker 2: Yo, when you guys were doing like the early cybersoship,
Speaker 2: are you guys like on any psychedelics back of the
Speaker 2: day shrooms shrooming? Would you say? Like, cause, I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've noticed, but shrooms are kind of becoming
Speaker 2: like the.
Speaker 3: Thing right now. So they see that. No, it was
Speaker 3: on that ship in the eighties.
Speaker 2: Man, it's crazy to see it. It's like it's like normalized.
Speaker 2: Like it's like people like are like micro dos to
Speaker 2: go to work, Like every wrapper wants shrooms.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I never seen that coming ever. They were
Speaker 1: always scared of that shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was funny because even back in the days, there
Speaker 3: was no pills in the hood.
Speaker 1: The pills were the rock and rollers was fucking with pills.
Speaker 1: They've never seen pills in the hood ever, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Now everybody's popping.
Speaker 2: Pills, and I mean stay away fedanel.
Speaker 1: No, there wasn't none of that shit was around. We
Speaker 1: was kids, like nobody. We didn't even see pills. Man,
Speaker 1: it was just weed and shrooms.
Speaker 2: What have you ever had a really bad trip on shrooms?
Speaker 3: No, never had a bad trip.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 3: Never had a bad trip.
Speaker 2: That's a good thing because you hear them bad trips
Speaker 2: is what scares everybody off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do too much.
Speaker 1: Man, You got to ease into that ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Just seeze into it a little bit,
Speaker 1: figure out and get you get your footing and figure
Speaker 1: out what works for you, and do a little bit more.
Speaker 1: And do a little bit more if you want to
Speaker 1: go there otherwise, you know, even my first time, like
Speaker 1: I ate an eighth.
Speaker 3: That's what the on we told you to do. Eat
Speaker 3: an eighth and you fucking.
Speaker 2: It's a pretty serious amount that sh It's.
Speaker 1: The fucking walls of melting, you know. But I wouldn't
Speaker 1: recommend anybody to start eighth. Nah, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2: I watched a couple of years ago when the mister
Speaker 2: cartoon Estevan documentary came out. I think it was called
Speaker 2: Ellie Originals. Right, it's on Netflix. Everybody should go watch
Speaker 2: it because I think it's really dope, like for people
Speaker 2: to kind of see like like just both of their
Speaker 2: come ups and like how integral and like hip hop
Speaker 2: both of them are. I just remember the mister Cartoon
Speaker 2: era of rap. I just felt like everyone had the tattoos,
Speaker 2: Like but for you kind of coming up with those
Speaker 2: guys and like you're very much a part of their story.
Speaker 2: How dope was it to see like them get their
Speaker 2: flowers with that documentary?
Speaker 3: Check it out? Man?
Speaker 1: Like for me, man, seeing my team win is the
Speaker 1: dopest shit for me to see where they come because
Speaker 1: all my motherfuckers is killers.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Look to see how you know, from being fourteen years
Speaker 1: old to what he's doing is like amazing for me
Speaker 1: to see cartoon to step on.
Speaker 3: Like Steve On was working at the.
Speaker 1: Door of a club, but I knew him and he
Speaker 1: didn't get high. He was always on point, and I
Speaker 1: was like, hey man, I was like, yo, I got
Speaker 1: to I need a road manager for this new group.
Speaker 1: He goes, what is a role manager? I go, it's easy,
Speaker 1: I'll teach you. I got this new group called House
Speaker 1: of Pain. You want to be the road manager? He
Speaker 1: was like, fuck it. So he started being the road manager.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: When he was on the road, his dad was like
Speaker 1: a son, here's a camera document your time on the road.
Speaker 1: And then we'd have photographers taking pictures that would charge
Speaker 1: just thirty fucking thousand dollars for some trash.
Speaker 2: Cheese, and I was like thirty thousand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the budgets were crazy, and I was like a man,
Speaker 1: fuck these dudes. You know what, you take the pictures, homie,
Speaker 1: let the homie get the check. And that's how he
Speaker 1: started shooting us.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And that's what the whole soul assess and shit was
Speaker 1: is to build our own economy and just hire each other.
Speaker 1: Anytime we hired these other motherfuckers and put them in
Speaker 1: a position to win, they would never come back and
Speaker 1: return the favor, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And those were the error that was like the air
Speaker 2: were where like labels were just like getting like they were.
Speaker 2: They were like, like you said, a thirty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: budget for a photographers insane, right, So you would be
Speaker 2: like you would always hear these stories about like labels,
Speaker 2: like you'd get your invoice or your oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's your money. They're spending your money.
Speaker 2: So they don't spending your money that you have to
Speaker 2: recoup and they you know.
Speaker 1: So they know they're going to recoup it because you're
Speaker 1: selling four million records.
Speaker 2: So crazy. So, like you said, you like a lot
Speaker 2: of the shit you would see on some of these
Speaker 2: like spreadsheets, you'd be like, wait, we paid this much
Speaker 2: for this.
Speaker 3: Like a lot of artists don't even look.
Speaker 2: I got a homie that could do it, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And a lot of artists they let the managers
Speaker 1: and everything and there everybody else is just as long
Speaker 1: as they get they cut and they're just skimming. They're
Speaker 1: getting paid off top anyways. A lot of times they
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck. But yeah, it was a lot
Speaker 1: of that ship man. So and then you know, so
Speaker 1: that started happening with a step On and then Cartoon
Speaker 1: came along up a little bit later, and then you know,
Speaker 1: we first started letting Cartoon do shit for us around
Speaker 1: our fifth album, like Rock Superstar album. That was the
Speaker 1: first time he touched our shit. Oh shit, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he was right there with us the whole time. Then,
Speaker 1: you know, when I was on when I go on
Speaker 1: tour because I met Paul and then we're doing we're
Speaker 1: opening up for him doing the Anger Management Tour. Fifty
Speaker 1: I just came out within the club. So it's fifty
Speaker 1: exhibit eminem Cypress hill I was.
Speaker 2: I went to I went to that tour, yeah, as
Speaker 2: I was a child, and I went back. I got
Speaker 2: backstage and I saw I met Sophia. Sophia I think
Speaker 2: was on the road with Exhibit at the time.
Speaker 3: I think so, yeah, yeah, I think there was funning
Speaker 3: around back in the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I was like because at the time, my
Speaker 2: best friend's brothers Rocker, right, so like we had the
Speaker 2: Liquid crew he you know, Roco with he linked us
Speaker 2: with Exhibit, so we would always be like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: Rock's little brother.
Speaker 3: Ki.
Speaker 2: I remember we snuck our ass backstage at the Phoenix
Speaker 2: tour date of that of that Anger Management tour. That
Speaker 2: was a crazy So.
Speaker 1: We bring cartoon because you know, you're sitting backstage for
Speaker 1: fucking five sex.
Speaker 2: If you want to get blasted, yeah, just set.
Speaker 3: Him up backstage. And he got everybody in that whole tour.
Speaker 2: I think he did what he was supposed to do,
Speaker 2: took opportunity and did what he was supposed to do.
Speaker 2: A lot of motherfuckers get those opportunities.
Speaker 1: Oh, I gotta like for the motherfuckers who won. I
Speaker 1: got a list of fools who just sat around smoking
Speaker 1: weed and drinking and then complaining and complaining, complaining, complaining
Speaker 1: that they didn't.
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, put you in this in a situation.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to force you.
Speaker 3: I put you in the game. Come on, run the
Speaker 3: ball for that.
Speaker 2: What do you do outside of music these days? For fun?
Speaker 2: For recreation?
Speaker 3: Like what is your workout? Workout?
Speaker 1: Man, movie, tie, hit the bags, go hiking, fucking business yeah,
Speaker 1: like five six different businesses, you know, and just fucking
Speaker 1: holidays with the family, you know what I mean, go shooting.
Speaker 1: Just a bunch of different ship with the homies.
Speaker 2: I just got I want to say, last year, I
Speaker 2: got I got a bunch of cyper shit center me
Speaker 2: in the mail because didn't you.
Speaker 1: Get you guys put out It was the thirtieth Yeah,
Speaker 1: the anniversary first album.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got like I think, I got a rolling tray,
Speaker 2: I got like a can't, I got disposable camera. I
Speaker 2: got a bunch of cool ship. You guys obviously have
Speaker 2: been more active recently as a group than than in
Speaker 2: past times. What is the current situation, uh, in terms
Speaker 2: of like any new music coming out or is that
Speaker 2: something that you guys.
Speaker 3: Me and b were recorded.
Speaker 1: I think about four songs last year, but just nothing no, No,
Speaker 1: talks about nothing really right now, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: just a lot of road ship we're putting together. We're
Speaker 1: putting together something called the Cypress Experience where you'll come
Speaker 1: in there'll be all like future tech three D and
Speaker 1: and you know the those big as domes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they got one downtown in l a wonder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to I think that Punk went downtown. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that Punk had a sick one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we're putting something like an immersive of Cypress experience
Speaker 1: that'll be fire. I want to take what they're doing
Speaker 1: a step further and you know, have it, have have
Speaker 1: a three D and then have it take you to
Speaker 1: little little metaverse.
Speaker 2: Is it crazy like to see your guys, Because I
Speaker 2: was thinking about this the other day because I'm like,
Speaker 2: you guys have so many like crazy stories and like
Speaker 2: wrinkles to your guys's careers as a group and also
Speaker 2: just solo wise, would you guys ever do like a
Speaker 2: Netflix or straight out of Compton type of movie but
Speaker 2: surrounding Cypress. So the thing maybe a series or something.
Speaker 1: What we're talking about is a sol as sessions because
Speaker 1: then I could tell in that I could tell a
Speaker 1: full Cypress story and I could tell a full mug
Speaker 1: story and to be real and an alchemist and a
Speaker 1: cartoon step on and you know everything else. So I
Speaker 1: think that would be something. I think that can even
Speaker 1: go further.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be crazy.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're in the process right now working with
Speaker 1: Sony on an animated series.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, that'd be crazy. That's dope, man, it's been
Speaker 2: dope to just see you. You just turning up be
Speaker 2: reals turning up doing dope content too, Like it's just
Speaker 2: been dope to see man. So the new album is out,
Speaker 2: Soul Assassin's Three Death Valley. The movie is the movie
Speaker 2: on YouTube?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, the movie drops on the thirteenth, Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: September thirteenth. I'm probably on Amazon where we're doing screenings
Speaker 1: all month, New York, San Francisco, Chicago. I just did
Speaker 1: I just did them Tokyo. They're going to screen it
Speaker 1: in Europe. So just screening the whole the movie all month.
Speaker 2: You guys got a big fan base in Japan, right, crazy,
Speaker 2: it's crazy crazy, It's something crazy, Like I just watched
Speaker 2: this YouTube video, Like there's something about like parts of
Speaker 2: Japan where they're just like extremely infatuated with La culture, oh.
Speaker 1: One thousand percent. When when they you wouldn't look like
Speaker 1: they look like the homies, low riders and everything, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't even know. They think it's the homie from East La. Right,
Speaker 1: So you talk to them, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: But yeah, and when they do something, bro, they refine it,
Speaker 1: They refine it, They refine it to its simplest form,
Speaker 1: and they master the shit out of it and ended
Speaker 1: up doing it better than you.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 1: It's their appreciation for everything they do. Man, they just
Speaker 1: sit back and watch and rEFInd the fun out of it,
Speaker 1: even the fashion, even their cat and even there there
Speaker 1: everything the fuck they do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So September thirteenth movie, Well, hey, what what's verse on
Speaker 2: this album that you have to wait?
Speaker 3: The longest war slick Rick slick Rick about a year.
Speaker 2: I had a guess slick record Scarface would be my guess.
Speaker 1: Face was knocked it out in a week, really bomb
Speaker 1: shout out to Scarface, shot to Brad jordans Man. I
Speaker 1: was like, damn, quick as fuck, hit me on the
Speaker 1: phone and mugs, what do you want? What are we
Speaker 1: going for on this? And I told him it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I got you and the Boom send him like two
Speaker 1: days later.
Speaker 2: That's fire Man. Anything coming out or anything that's in
Speaker 2: the can. In terms of clap albums, I'm sure you
Speaker 2: got a few that that already finished.
Speaker 1: Or Yeah, we got like about sixteen projects in the
Speaker 1: works right now, but we're going to drop first of
Speaker 1: the year.
Speaker 3: It was gonna be Mayhem Record and the TF Record.
Speaker 3: Those are going to probably be the first projects coming
Speaker 3: out fire like February March, February March.
Speaker 2: Okay, being a lookout for those go get the album.
Speaker 2: The album is the who's who have just hip hop?
Speaker 2: My goodness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they all murdered that shit too. Man.
Speaker 2: You know you got a crazy lineup of Man, the
Speaker 2: track list thing is unbelievable in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you delivered, man, Thank you brother, sure, thanks
Speaker 3: for having me the LEGI.
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