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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. Rewind. This is Rob

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Speaker 1: Lamb and we have a fun one here for you.

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Speaker 1: This one originally aired last year seven twenty six, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four. This is our look at the oh so

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Speaker 1: colorful nineteen sixty one Mario Baba film Hercules in the

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Speaker 1: Haunted World, starring REDG. Park, Christopher Lee, and Leonardo Rufo.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun and certainly has a lot

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Speaker 1: of visual style. Let's jump right in.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema.

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Speaker 3: This is Rob Lamb and this is Joe McCormick. And

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Speaker 3: today on Weird House Cinema, we are going to be

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Speaker 3: talking about the nineteen sixty one Italian sword and sandal

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Speaker 3: movie her Achilles in the Haunted World, directed by show

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Speaker 3: favorite Mario Bava, starring English bodybuilder REDG. Park as her

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Speaker 3: Achilles and also starring show favorite Christopher Lee as the

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Speaker 3: evil King Leco in what I must say is one

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Speaker 3: of the most underwhelming Christopher Lee performances of all time,

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Speaker 3: but otherwise really really fun, great if low budget fantasy movie.

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Speaker 1: That's right, I mean, with a Mario Bava film as well,

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Speaker 1: no doubt be discussing most of this episode. There are

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Speaker 1: certain expectations in place, and this film meets those expectations.

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Speaker 1: You know that it is going to look glorious. You

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Speaker 1: know that you are going to be entering a phantasmagorical

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Speaker 1: world of color and smoke and strange surreal landscapes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever the genre, whatever the budget, you pretty much

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Speaker 3: always know a Mario Bava movie is going to look

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Speaker 3: fascinating and you will feel the mood with your eyes.

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Speaker 3: They tend to be have very well composed shots. Each

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Speaker 3: some way. It's always kind of interestingly staged or framed.

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Speaker 3: And he's a big fan of things like mist and

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Speaker 3: fog and colored lights. So in scenes that in other

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Speaker 3: movies might just be lit with what comes off as

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Speaker 3: realistic lighting to the audience, in abov a movie, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you'll have red lights coming from one side of the room,

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Speaker 3: green and blue coming from the other, and pink lights

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Speaker 3: on the on the subject, and it just infuses everything

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Speaker 3: even more realistic scenes with a sense of magic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there they are almost always going to be

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Speaker 1: sequences that feel kind of hypnotic, and this film is

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Speaker 1: no exception. There are there are some sequences that have

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Speaker 3: So Hercules in the Haunted World has been known by

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Speaker 3: other names, as many Italian movies have lots of names.

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Speaker 3: It's been known as Hercules at the Center of the

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Speaker 3: Earth and also some variations on Hercules versus the Vampires.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that really describes the movie at all.

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Speaker 1: I was reading about the various titles for this film

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Speaker 1: in Robert A. Rushings descended from Hercules, a book that

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Speaker 1: I'll refer back to, and he mentions that, like the

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Speaker 1: literal translation of the original Italian title is essentially Hercules

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Speaker 1: in the Center of the Earth. But yeah, mostly it's

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Speaker 1: known as Hercules in the Haunted World, which I think

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Speaker 1: is a pretty great title. There's at least one title

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Speaker 1: for the film that is with Hercules to the Center

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Speaker 1: of the Earth, which is a little more confusing, but

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Speaker 1: fair enough if you get the basic idea Hercules is

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Speaker 3: As you might guess from some of the titles for

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Speaker 3: this film, such as Hercules versus the Vampires, even though

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Speaker 3: there aren't really any vampires in it. This is a

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Speaker 3: somewhat rare genre crossover that might be called peplam horror.

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Speaker 3: Peplam is of course an originally derisive I think term

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Speaker 3: the Haunted World is one of a small number of

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Speaker 3: So your prototype example might be a story set in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and in the case of this film, like obviously

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Speaker 3: Right, right, I mean, I think I would identify this

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Speaker 3: So I was trying to think if I had ever

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Speaker 3: And while I don't think I've seen any of the

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Speaker 3: Luccio Fulci's Conquest, which certainly has a sword chopping muscle man.

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Speaker 3: Like I don't really know what film historians would usually

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Speaker 1: Well, I turned to Rushing for this because this is

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Speaker 1: Bartolomeo Pagano as the titular Roman strong man Macheste. And

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Speaker 3: Hercules in the Haunted World, you know, the elevator pitch

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Speaker 3: is Hercules goes to Hell. And fun fact, there is

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Speaker 3: But this, this Bava movie from sixty one that we're

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Speaker 3: to Hell film in the twentieth century. I came across

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Speaker 3: a nineteen twenty five Italian silent film called Meshista in Hell,

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Speaker 3: which looks awesome, Rob. I've attached the poster for you

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Speaker 3: to look at here. It has some kind of I

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but she looks like she will indeed invite

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Speaker 3: And I think they have a difficult time trying to

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Speaker 3: if you want to sit through a full length silent film.

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Speaker 1: All right, So first Wave nineteen fourteen through the nineteen

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Speaker 3: Yes, he explicitly is not power seeking in the film,

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Speaker 1: The next wave we have of Peplam, according to Rushing,

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Speaker 1: bodybuilders such as Steve Reeves, Gordon Scott and Reg Park. This,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He highlights the third wave as eighties Barbarian movies,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it seems like it's probably not a you know,

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Speaker 1: But it's a shame that they had decades to write

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this film is one hundred percent herk chunking objects

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Speaker 3: I never wanted to stop. Was like, yeah, throw rocks

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Speaker 3: Well, it's supposed to be the character that Hercules is

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Speaker 1: All right, So where can you watch Hercules in the

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Speaker 1: well as the nineteen fifty nine sequel to that film,

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Speaker 1: Hercules Unchained. All right, the writing credits on this. First

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Speaker 1: of all, we have Sandro Continenza, who lived nineteen twenty

435
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Speaker 1: through nineteen ninety six, Italian screenwriter, best known for such

436
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Speaker 1: films as sixty one's Valley of the Lions, seventy eight's

437
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: The Inglorious Bastards, and really just a long list of thrillers,

438
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Speaker 1: action movies, horror movies, comedies, and more. We previously mentioned

439
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Speaker 1: this writer on the show because they were one of

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Speaker 1: the screenwriters on let Sleeping Corpses Lie aka The Living

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Speaker 1: Dead at Manchester More.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that was fun. I don't think this. I

443
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 3: don't think the screenplay is the strongest suit of this movie.

444
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 3: It's a it's partially by numbers, but it gets the

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Speaker 3: job done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the other two. In addition to Baba as well,

447
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: we have Francesco Prosperi, who lived nineteen twenty six through

448
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Speaker 1: two thousand and four, Italian film director and screenwriter active

449
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Speaker 1: between the mid nineteen sixties and the early nineteen eighties,

450
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Speaker 1: perhaps best known for nineteen sixty six is The Hired Killer,

451
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty three is The Evil Eye. And then

452
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Speaker 1: we have Duccio Tassari nineteen twenty six through nineteen ninety four,

453
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Speaker 1: Italian director and writer who work on a number of

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Speaker 1: sixties peplam films and as a director he directed such

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Speaker 1: movies as eighty five's Texts and The Lord of the Deep.

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Speaker 1: That's a Western of some sort, and nineteen seventy one's

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Speaker 1: The Bloodstained Butterfly.

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Speaker 3: Texts and the Lord of the Deep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it was based on an Italian comic. Okay,

460
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Speaker 1: now getting into the actors here, we have to start

461
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Speaker 1: at the top, of course, with Hercules himself. Reg Park,

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Speaker 1: who lived nineteen twenty eight through two thousand and seven

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Speaker 1: aka Reg the Ledge.

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Speaker 3: Spelled like Reg the Leg, but it's Reg the Ledge,

465
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 3: so incredibly confusing. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Anyway. He was a Leeds born British football player turned

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Speaker 1: professional bodybuilder, one time Mister Britton in forty six and

468
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Speaker 1: three time Mister Universe So fifty one to fifty eight

469
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Speaker 1: and sixty five, among many other titles. At this point

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Speaker 1: in his life, he I believe he'd already moved to

471
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Speaker 1: South Africa with his wife, but he received this offer

472
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Speaker 1: to temporarily move to Rome to star in at least

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Speaker 1: a couple of Hercules movies. He accepted and that gave

474
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Speaker 1: us this film and Hercules and the Captive Women, both

475
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Speaker 1: released in sixty one. In sixty four he returned for

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Speaker 1: Hercules Prisoner of Evil, and he also fit in Mitchieste

477
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Speaker 1: movie mitcheste In King Solomon's Minds, and then nineteen sixty

478
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Speaker 1: five would mark his final film and his final appearance

479
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Speaker 1: as Hercules. Hercules the Avenger.

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Speaker 3: Now he is huge in this movie. His muscles are

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Speaker 3: massive and one thing I noticed, Strob I don't know

482
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Speaker 3: if you'd agree here, but it seemed to me that

483
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Speaker 3: his physique was almost identical to the other big twentieth

484
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 3: century movie muscleman, Arnold Schwarzenegger. It's like you could swap

485
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Speaker 3: their heads and you wouldn't realize there was a difference there.

486
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Speaker 3: I don't know, their bodies just look incredibly similar.

487
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know much about the specifics of bodybuilding,

488
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: but like apparently redg was one of Arnold's heroes, and

489
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: they knew each other to some extent, and Arnold really

490
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: admired him. But yeah, I don't know if you can

491
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: like really sculpture body to look like someone else's body,

492
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Speaker 1: but certainly, certainly there is a physical resemblance in it,

493
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Speaker 1: like the way that they're built.

494
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Speaker 3: But you know what, I like this muscle man Reg

495
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Speaker 3: does not. He does not portray a very complicated Hercules.

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Speaker 3: He portrays Hercules as a quite simple and surface level man.

497
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Speaker 3: But I think it.

498
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Speaker 1: Works absolutely five out of five stars for this Hercules

499
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Speaker 1: from me. I do not want an overly charismatic actor

500
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Speaker 1: in these roles. I don't want to see the wheels turning.

501
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: I think a Hercules role befits a greener actor, which

502
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: typically lines up with the fact that filmmakers are casting

503
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Speaker 1: bodybuilders in these roles, thus greatly narrowing the talent fear.

504
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, in this film, I can't speak to the others,

505
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: but I feel like reg feels a little stiff, but

506
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: never too stiff. He's outwitted by a cerebral villain at times, sure,

507
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: but not to a agree that it tarnishes his hero status,

508
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't. He doesn't seem you know, like a

509
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: like a dufus out there, and uh, and he he

510
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: just kind of has like a he feels comfortable in

511
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: the scenes. You know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's charming, but not in a way that could

513
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 3: possibly imply any kind of scheming or machiavellianism. Like he

514
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: is just so he comes off as so simple and straightforward,

515
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 3: and his likability you just don't suspect there's anything under it.

516
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: Right. In the extras on that Chino Classics disc, there's

517
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Speaker 1: an older interview with an actor I'll get into here

518
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: in just a second, George Artisan. He remarks that while

519
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Speaker 1: Regg wasn't as handsome as Steve Reeves, I mean, I

520
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: don't know, it seems like he's has it had handsome

521
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: and or at least in the same like handsomeness orbit

522
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: as as Steve Reeves.

523
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: He says that Reg was really laid back and easy

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Speaker 1: to work with. He also stresses that he didn't just

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Speaker 1: look strong, he was strong. There's a there's a scene

527
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Speaker 1: that we'll get to where they have to traverse this

528
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: rope hanging over a lava pit in Hell, and of

529
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Speaker 1: course they're not. You know, they didn't actually film it

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00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: over lava, but they really did have to hang from

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Speaker 1: a rope. And Artisan is like, I only lasted like

532
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: a minute and my arms were killing me. But Reg

533
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 1: was hanging from that thing for like eight to ten

534
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: minutes at a time and didn't seem particularly phased.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

536
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Speaker 1: But then again, in this interview, an elderly Artisan also

537
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: insisted that Reg was picking up and throwing real rocks,

538
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: a real bombers.

539
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: No, So I don't know.

540
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: I mean, this film makes them feel like real boulders,

541
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Speaker 1: but surely not. No, I can't I can't accept that.

542
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 3: No, those are props, obviously. H So I was digging

543
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: up old muscle magazine covers that have redg Park on them,

544
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: and I found some really fun, funny ones. My favorite

545
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 3: was the one it's called it's from a magazine called

546
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 3: Muscle Builder, and it's got a picture of him standing there, flexing,

547
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 3: pushing his chest out, and the article title that it's

548
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 3: promoting is get big husky muscles fast. I've never heard

549
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: muscles described as husky before. That's good.

550
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: But he's weird seeing him on these covers because he

551
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Speaker 1: doesn't have the beard like in the movie he has

552
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: the Hercules beard. Here he is clean shaven and in

553
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: one of the images looks kind of like Don Draper.

554
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 3: Oh, I can see that. Yeah. Also, how fast are

555
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: you going to get them? You're gonna get big husky muscles, like,

556
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

557
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: You don't want to get him too fast? All right?

558
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: Moving on to the rest of the cast. We have

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Speaker 1: already mentioned. Christopher Lee, who lived nineteen twenty two through

560
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, plays the villain King Leko. This film was

561
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Speaker 1: made during his Hammer years, one of five films of

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Speaker 1: his release in sixty one, and one of numerous mainland

563
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Speaker 1: European films that he did over the years, which also

564
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: encompassed German, Spanish, and Italian productions and co productions. To

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Speaker 1: position this film between his better known works, consider that

566
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Speaker 1: Hammers the Mummy had come out earlier in fifty nine,

567
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Speaker 1: and he'd go on to act in sixty six's Dracula

568
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: Prince of Darkness. Though to be clear, he was working

569
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Speaker 1: quite a bit during this period, so there are no

570
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: real breaks here for him. He's just doing picture after picture.

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Speaker 3: He plays the Mummy in Hammers the Mummy.

572
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so this is prime period for Lee for sure.

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Speaker 1: Now it's worth highlighting that this was the first off

574
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Speaker 1: I believe two Mario Baba films that he did, the

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Speaker 1: other being the sixty three gothic horror film The Whip

576
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Speaker 1: and the Body. But in neither film do we actually

577
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Speaker 1: get to hear Lee's voice. I believe both of those

578
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,239
Speaker 1: are the same, and that the English dub makes use

579
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Speaker 1: of a different actor.

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Speaker 3: That is really inexplicable. And I do stand by I

581
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Speaker 3: think I said this earlier, but this may be the

582
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Speaker 3: most underused Christpher Lee has ever felt in a film.

583
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Speaker 1: To me, yeah, I would agree.

584
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 3: I mean, he's not bad, he's fine, but you could

585
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,239
Speaker 3: have imagined doing so much more with him as this

586
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: sort of evil wizard king. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into the sidekicks. We have not one,

588
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: but two of them.

589
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, multiple sidekicks. We got the handsome guy and we

590
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 3: got the the I don't know, scaredy cat guy.

591
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have yeah, the first of all, we have Theseus.

592
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: I think he's also at Tessio. It depends on what

593
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Speaker 1: what thread you're looking.

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00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: At in the Italian hercules is Ercole and theseus is

595
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: they say you or something? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And this is the character played by George Artisan. He's

597
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 1: also Georgio Artisan, Italian actor who lived nineteen thirty one

598
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: through twenty fourteen. So this character is Hirk's lady chasing

599
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: blonde sidekick. Classically handsome and by all reasonable measures, in

600
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: really good shape. But you know, good luck to anyone

601
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: who has to stand opposite Redge in these scenes.

602
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 3: Right. Uh, Theseus is a fan of dating.

603
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he likes the ladies. The ladies like him, I

604
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: would say that Artisan definitely. He gets in in on

605
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: a lot of the action. He has stunts and action

606
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: sequences throughout, but as the obviously more seasoned actor, he

607
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: gets to do all of the heroic emotional heavy lifting

608
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: while reg gets to actually lift stones and throw them

609
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: at villains.

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00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,239
Speaker 3: That's right, So basically all of the emotional conflict that

611
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: it might usually fall on a hero to have in

612
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: a story like this, goes to theseus, he gets to

613
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: be he gets to be the one who's like conflicted

614
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: over you know, his relationship and all that. And you know,

615
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 3: Hercules just stands there and says, you should you should

616
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Speaker 3: do good? Yes.

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Speaker 1: So artisan was a mainstay in various Italians Jordon sandals

618
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: and adventure films, including Mario Bob's nineteen sixty one Swashbuckler.

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Speaker 1: You know, throw another genre on the barbie there Eric

620
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: the Conqueror alongside Cameron Mitchell. So I was reading a

621
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: little bit about about this, this movie in particular, but

622
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: also like in general, Hercules movies in that Robert A.

623
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: Rushing Book descended from Hercules, and the author points out

624
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: that a lot of Peppola movies in general give the

625
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: central muscle character a quote moody, morose or lethargic sidekick

626
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: in order to emphasize the strong man's optimism and energy.

627
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: And that's we do see that with this character.

628
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I guess he doesn't come off as moody

629
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Speaker 3: or morose early on. That's only when he has his

630
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 3: love conflict later in the movie. Earlier, I was thinking,

631
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Speaker 3: like is there enough distinction between these two guys. It's

632
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 3: just like two handsome, muscley guys who are good friends

633
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: and they you know, they like hanging out.

634
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: But they work it in.

635
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: You know.

636
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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, we get into the details of

637
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: their love life, you'll see this division, and it apparently

638
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: just follows like some traditional tropes of peplam. Rushing points

639
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: out that in mid century peplam movies like this, when

640
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: the sidekick usually has an impossible love that Hercules either

641
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: helps him obtain or dissuades him from. And he also

642
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: stresses that sometimes the sidekick is purely for comic relief,

643
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: and that his physique may serve to contrast Hercules' muscular perfection.

644
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: Okay, so this movie took that took that sidekick character

645
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: and broke him into two different parts. So we get

646
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Speaker 3: the muscly happy sidekick here, but we also are going

647
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Speaker 3: to get a weak, cowardly comic relief sidekick.

648
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: That's right, and that's where Telemachus comes in, played by

649
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: Franco Guillocabini who lived nineteen twenty six through twenty fifteen.

650
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: So this is just a straight comic relief character and

651
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: his guy ultimately a sidekick to both Herk and Theseus

652
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: and also gives us like a baseline human body in

653
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: there alongside these other two. So this actor often played

654
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: comedic roles for Italian TV and film had but he

655
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 1: had a long career on stage, apparently in both comedic

656
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: and dramatic roles. This was his second time working in

657
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: a film with Christopher Lee, though I don't think they

658
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: have any scenes together in this, but he had been

659
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifty nine movie Uncle Was a Vampire,

660
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: and he also pops up in Bava's Eric the Conqueror.

661
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: He'd work in a Lee film again for nineteen sixty

662
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: two Sherlock Holmes and the Deadly Necklace that was an

663
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: international co production directed by Terrence Fisher. Oh and the

664
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: actor here also was in nineteen sixty seven's Ok Connery

665
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: aka Operation Kid Brother. That was the Bond knockoff film

666
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: starring Neil Connery.

667
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: Subject of a mystery science theater episode.

668
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: Believe okay, we have to mention the ladies the love

669
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: interests here as well. There's the Princess Bianira played by

670
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: Lee and Aa Rufo. She lived nineteen thirty six through

671
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. Again hurts love interest, but she

672
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 1: has some issues with her blood and or her mortality.

673
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: Rufo was an Italian leading lady of the fifties and sixties.

674
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: Her films include nineteen sixty one's Goliath and the Vampires

675
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: and the stylish sci fi film Star Pilot from nineteen

676
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: sixty six. I was actually looking at this one just

677
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago when I was eyeing some various

678
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: like euro sci fi films. This one is supposed to

679
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: be rather stylish and sort of like a post two

680
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: thousand and one, since.

681
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 3: You know, a scene where I think Rufo really stands

682
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 3: out in the movie is early on when when Hercules

683
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: first comes to meet her after being away on an adventure,

684
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 3: and there, of course they're you know, they're in love

685
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: and there betrothed to be married. I guess he's been

686
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 3: away for a while and he returns and finds that

687
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 3: she has fallen ill. There's some kind of madness or

688
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 3: illness that has that has overtaken her, and Hercules goes

689
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 3: to meet her out in the garden of the palace,

690
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: and she's wandering around like she's sleepwalking or in a dream,

691
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: but with her eyes open, and she's kind of muttering

692
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 3: these slowly muttering these lines that are expressing her thoughts.

693
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: But it's like she's speaking from within, within a dream.

694
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 3: And so you know, Hercules goes up to her and says, oh,

695
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: you know, now we're reunited, but she doesn't believe it's

696
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 3: really him. She says something like, I see my love,

697
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: but it is only an illusion. He is dead deep

698
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: within the sea, never to see my love again, Never

699
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: to see my love again. And the way she mutters

700
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: the lines is so spooky. I think it's a fantastic scene.

701
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: It is, Yeah, and it's a testament to this film

702
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: because otherwise, I mean, she is a princess in danger

703
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: that must be rescued by Hercules, and that that's that's

704
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: pretty much her role in the picture. But she does

705
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: get to have these moments where she stands out. So

706
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: that's hurts love interest. But then Theseus's love interest is

707
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: this mysterious character that he meets, and where he meets

708
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: there should be a red flag.

709
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 3: I just want to flag he has more than one loving.

710
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: Well, yes, yes he does. It just depends on what

711
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: day it is. But to no one's surprised, he develops

712
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: a new love interest during their journey through Hell, right.

713
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: So he's got a girlfriend back home, which is the

714
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: witch Jacosta, who she seems really cool. But he's like, no,

715
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 3: I'm going on vacation. We're you know, we're going to

716
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 3: Hell and I'm gonna I'll probably meet some women there,

717
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: so you know, we'll see if we're still together when

718
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 3: I'm back. And the woman he meets in Hell, yes,

719
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 3: is how do you say your name miositodi or something?

720
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, some of these names. Really. I watched

721
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: it in the Italian with the with the English subtitles,

722
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: and so some of the names kind of flew past me.

723
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: But she is a seems to be a denizen of

724
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: the underworld, but seems like a nice gal. Played by

725
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: Ida Golli born nineteen thirty nine, Italian actress. Her other

726
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: credits include six Threes, The Whip in the Body, sixty

727
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: four's Wore the Zombies, sixty six is Django Shoots First,

728
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: seventy five, Footsteps on the Moon, and Luccio Fulci's nineteen

729
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: seventy seven thriller The Psychic.

730
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: I would characterize her performance as quite muted. She doesn't

731
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 3: display like her Her character is written as one that

732
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 3: has like a great longing but she plays it in

733
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: a way that's very restrained.

734
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially some of the revelations that we end

735
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: up having about the true nature of her character. It

736
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: seems like there were more opportunities here. Maybe those opportunities

737
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: weren't in the script, you know, but so it shouldn't

738
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, shouldn't really blame her for it, but character wise,

739
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: I feel like there could have been more here as well,

740
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 1: all right, And then a quick note about the music.

741
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: The score is by Armando Traviajoli, who lived nineteen seventeen

742
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: through twenty thirteen. This is kind of what you'd expect

743
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: from a Hercules movie of this period. It's epic, it's

744
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: sweeping to Treviadoli was an Italian composer and sometimes actor.

745
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: His scores include seventy seven's A Special Day, seventy two's

746
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: The Italian Connection, and he also scored Uncle was a Vampire.

747
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I'm understanding Uncle was a vampire. Is

748
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: that like Papa was a rolling Stone?

749
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I'm not sure. All I know is that

750
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: I think it's like a comedy they got Christopher Lee

751
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: somehow involves a vampire. I don't know. I didn't look

752
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: into it too closely.

753
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 3: Well, for the moment we're on the music, I'm gonna

754
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 3: say I thought it was actually pretty good, especially in

755
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 3: some of the darker, moodier scenes, like well, like the

756
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 3: garden scene that I was just talking about with Leonora Rufo,

757
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 3: you know, giving that kind of that dreamy, cursed muttering

758
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 3: performance there. There is a spooky, haunting music that flows

759
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 3: through that scene that I think is quite good.

760
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I may not be given enough credit. It

761
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: kind of comes back to the fact that I guess

762
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: if a score is doing what it's supposed to, sometimes

763
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: it is invisible, and if you're in an engage in

764
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 1: a film like this, it's so you know, hyperly visual.

765
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you can you can forget that it's

766
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: there at all. So yeah, yeah, it does nothing wrong.

767
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: It does a does a does a good job. It's

768
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: just not maybe not something I would seek out in isolation.

769
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's go ahead and get into the

770
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: plot of Hercules in the Haunted World.

771
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: All right. Well, I understand there are different cuts of

772
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 3: the movie and that affects which opening you get, But

773
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 3: the version I saw, I believe is the Italian cut.

774
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: So I'm going to start there, So we opened on

775
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: a mound of earth surrounded by blue green fog and

776
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: dead gray trees, and on the mound there is a

777
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 3: circle of large stone figures that look only kind of

778
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: vaguely human shaped, kind of like big wizards with beards,

779
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: But we get to see them again later, and I'm

780
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 3: not sure that's what they are. They might just be

781
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 3: sort of like, you know, bubbly rippling stones. There is

782
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: a stone slab bench at the center of the green

783
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 3: on top of this mound, and we get lightning flashing

784
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: without sound and instead there's just this eerie dissonant cord

785
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 3: and reverby drum beats and the camera pans and we

786
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: see a woman lying down in the dirt on the

787
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: edge of the mound, wearing a sort of ancient Greek dress,

788
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 3: and she has blood on the side of her neck

789
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: and she's sort of writhing in the dirt as if

790
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 3: she's in pain. Then we pan up to see standing

791
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: over her, christpher Lee, dressed like the way I was

792
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: thinking of this. He's dressed like kind of like a

793
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 3: Mennonite Darth Vader, like it's Vader but no helmet and

794
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: no electronic parts and so and the prince valiant haircut,

795
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 3: and he's got the dark cloak and the studded black

796
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: leather belt. This is not chrispher Lee's best look ever.

797
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 3: I think it is certainly not his best haircut. But

798
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 3: he begins to address a mass of figures. It's almost

799
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: like he's talking to a crowd of a symbol. The

800
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: zombie that are on this hillside above, who are mostly

801
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: hidden in shadow, and the bits of their bodies that

802
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 3: are illuminated are in like dark blue and green light.

803
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 3: They're covered in these cloaks. Some of them look like

804
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: they might be kind of like old long Beard type figures.

805
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 3: And Chris really says in Italian with the subtitles, the

806
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 3: time shall come when days shall turn to night, and

807
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 3: night shall rule our lives. Their cries shall sound like music.

808
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 3: The wailing and screaming we hear now shall be songs

809
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: that soothe us. The time shall come when the moon

810
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 3: devoured by the great dragon, shall bring eternal darkness. Eye

811
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 3: shall be the master of darkness and light. When the

812
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 3: sun ravages the earth and the rivers run dry, and

813
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 3: every mortal soul freezes in death, then shall evil triumph

814
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: the absolute master that shall dominate the Earth.

815
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: All right, So we get a taste of it here

816
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: and we learn a little bit more later on. But basically,

817
00:43:54,520 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: Christopher Lee's character serves dark, nameless gods that may even

818
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: exist outside the Greco Roman pantheon, I'm not sure. Yeah,

819
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,959
Speaker 1: And he has powers over the undead and or alliances

820
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: with the undead.

821
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost as if the setting is Greek mythology. Otherwise,

822
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 3: but Christopher Lee is a devotee of Satan.

823
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: Really, like he walked out. This character walked out of

824
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: a Gothic horror filmy and into a Hercules movie.

825
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 3: Out He's from Hammer horror and he stepped into the peplum. Yeah.

826
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: And so we see black smoke pouring across a blue sky,

827
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 3: and then there are these stone boxes that have these

828
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 3: lids on them. We'll see them several times in the movie.

829
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 3: And like the lids lift up and they have these

830
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 3: slime soaked cobwebs that stretch like bubble gum between the

831
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 3: lid and the boxes. It's a very gross looking, cool

832
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 3: physical effect. And these clawed, bony hands like reaching out

833
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: and touching the spider silk that holds the box lids

834
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 3: to the boxes. And then we get the credits and

835
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: come back on the action over like a rushing river

836
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 3: and a waterfall, and here's Hercules standing over the waterfall

837
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,479
Speaker 3: cleaning his body. But the strigil, just a brief historical note.

838
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 3: The strigil is a real historical artifact. It looks kind

839
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 3: of like a hooked metal shoehorn. It was used for

840
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 3: hygiene in the ancient world. So if you go into

841
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 3: a Roman bath, you might rub oil on your skin

842
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 3: and then you would scrape the oil along with any

843
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: accompanying dirt off of your skin with a stridgel. It's

844
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: kind of like a squeegee for the body.

845
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: I should also note I forget the name of these waterfalls,

846
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: but this is this is like a noted filming location

847
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: in Italian cinema, and I think even today a lot

848
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: of people get their like wedding photos taken here.

849
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 3: Oh that's funny, wedding photos at the Herk fall. So

850
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 3: Hercules is when we first see him. He's like shown

851
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: from below with the camera tilting up toward him, and

852
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: it's like climbing up the stream of the waterfall, and

853
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: this does give him a very epic postured, a good

854
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 3: way to first meet him. He is, of course shirtless

855
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 3: and his muscles are gigantic, and he calls out to

856
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 3: his friend Theseus, and we cut to the loft of

857
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 3: some kind of open sided barn structure. It's like this

858
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 3: open wooden loft covered in hay where Theseus is making

859
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: out with a gorgeous witch named Jocosta, and she is

860
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: really into Theseus. She says, every time I kiss you,

861
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: I feel the earth trembling, the sky changes its color,

862
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 3: taking on the color of your kisses. So I think

863
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 3: she likes him. And then meanwhile, just over the hill

864
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 3: there is a gang of nasty bandits and they are

865
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: organizing an attack on Theseus and Hercules. But they don't

866
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: know that the people they're supposed to attack are Theseus

867
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 3: and Hercules. They explain that a king has offered them

868
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 3: a lot of gold to kill two men, whoever they are.

869
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: Their names are not important, So they go and they

870
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: say they're going to attack them one at a time.

871
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: They attack Theseus and Theseus begins to fight them off,

872
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: and it's a very breezy, lighthearted, swashbuckling fighting styles kind

873
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 3: of robin Hood, you know, swinging from the rafters to

874
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 3: kick them out of the barn and Jocosta helps by

875
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 3: tossing theseus a log to use as a club. But

876
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 3: then finally to end the fight, Hercules arrives on the

877
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 3: scene and he lifts an entire wagon over his head

878
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 3: and throws it into the barn, making the barn collapse.

879
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 3: The effect looks very good. I watched this a couple

880
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 3: of times and I'm still not quite sure how they

881
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 3: accomplished it.

882
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: There are a lot of effects like this in this

883
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: movie where I'm not sure how they pulled it off,

884
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: but it looks really good as a you know, tremendous

885
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: job to hear by Bava and his crew. Everything that

886
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: throws looks believable to my eyes.

887
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. After this, of course, the bandits realized that their

888
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 3: targets are Theseus and Hercules. If they had known that,

889
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 3: they never would have taken the job, so they run

890
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 3: away in fear. I did notice some funny continuity errors here, like,

891
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 3: for example, a Jocasta to escape the fighting, she jumps

892
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 3: into a river, and then as soon as the bad

893
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 3: guys run away, she comes out of the water, and

894
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 3: then in the next shot she's bone dry, like completely,

895
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 3: her hair and her clothes are totally dry.

896
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: She's a witch.

897
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 3: Oh, I guess it's magic. Yeah. So Theseus and Jocosta

898
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 3: speculate that the attackers were probably hired by a wannabe

899
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: suitor of Hercules' beloved dan Era, who's jealous of their

900
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 3: upcoming marriage. And speaking of Hercules, who's just come off

901
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 3: some other adventure, he's ready to go to the palace

902
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 3: and reunite with dan Era, his beloved, And so then

903
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 3: we get a view of the city, and oh, man,

904
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: what an establishing shot. So when we first see the

905
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: city they're going to, I think it's called Acalea, it

906
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 3: is a very moody and foreboding vision. It's Greek architecture

907
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: with columns and marble buildings nestled into the contours of

908
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: these rocky hills, but instead of the sunny Mediterranean web

909
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 3: that you would usually see in in like an ancient

910
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: Greek movie, the buildings are surrounded by dark, swirling clouds,

911
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: and the light from the sky is this mix of colors.

912
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 3: It's blood red from the west, royal blue from the east,

913
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 3: and they're mixing so that the light over the palace

914
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: is pink and purple. Uh. And it's it's beautiful and unsettling,

915
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 3: and I love the way that the just the use

916
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 3: of color like this bold, sort of unashamed use of

917
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 3: color just fills the movie with emotions.

918
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and it's a it's a great sign of

919
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: things to come. While the previous action scene was very

920
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: much set, you know, outside in the real world, we

921
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: are going to progressively be dealing with surreal landscapes and

922
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: interiors and more to the point, from the filmmaking standpoint,

923
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: sets that Baba has one control over.

924
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 3: That's right. So inside the palace we once again meet

925
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 3: Christopher Lee. Now he is seated on a kingly throne

926
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 3: on a raised red pedestal, surrounded by hop lights with

927
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 3: spears and shields, and down below the king, groveling on

928
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 3: his knees, is the leader of the bandits who we

929
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 3: saw attacking our heroes earlier, and Christopher Lee is chewing

930
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 3: him out real good. He failed in his mission. He's

931
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 3: no good and the guy tries to explain, but the

932
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 3: king orders him to be quiet, and then he leads

933
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 3: the bandit chief back into another chamber and locks the

934
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: door behind them. And then the king is like, even

935
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 3: though he was just chewing him out for failing, he's like,

936
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 3: you deserve a reward. Look over there, that suspicious pile

937
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 3: of gold, treasures and trinkets surrounded by green light. Go

938
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 3: and get your wages from that stash while I stand

939
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 3: back over here. And so the guy's like, oh goodie,

940
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get some gold. And so he goes up

941
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 3: to the pile, and then Christopher Lee presses a button

942
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: that triggers a spear trap that gets the guy, and

943
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 3: the bandit chief just kind of spits out blood and

944
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: slumps over. He doesn't really scream or anything.

945
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good trap. It kills instantly, there's no

946
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: time for the scream.

947
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 3: Then we follow King Leco as he goes down a

948
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 3: secret passage into an underground cavern which seems full of

949
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 3: evil occult magic, and he stands in front of a

950
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 3: bunch of those stone boxes we saw earlier, and he

951
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 3: says dan Era, that's, of course, the name of the

952
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 3: woman who's going to marry Hercules. And slowly one of

953
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 3: the stone boxes opens and a blonde woman in a

954
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 3: white gown rises out of it like Dracula, Like her

955
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 3: body is rigid, it straight as a plank, and it

956
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 3: sort of levers up from this otherworldly slumber. And then

957
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 3: she approaches King Leko like she's sleepwalking, but her eyes

958
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 3: are open. She's in some kind of trance. In the

959
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 3: next scene, Hercules comes into the city and he's greeted

960
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 3: by adoring fans. He's like the beatles of ancient Greece.

961
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 3: Everybody's swarming around him, screaming, happy to see him. And

962
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 3: he meets this old guy. I think the guy's name

963
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 3: is Caros. I think he's some friend of his, and

964
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 3: Karros explains the situation. He says, dan Era, the princess,

965
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 3: should have become queen and ascended to the throne, but

966
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: she hasn't because there's something wrong with her. No one

967
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 3: can see her, and she's confined to a secluded wing

968
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 3: of the palace, and so Hercules has to go figure

969
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 3: out what's going on. He goes into the palace and

970
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: meets with King Leko, who is Danira's uncle, who has

971
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 3: been raining while she is not capable. And it's a

972
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 3: very awesome looking throne room scene. By the way, it's

973
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 3: sort of like open to this blue, pink purple sky,

974
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 3: has these red columns and flaming braziers everywhere, and it's

975
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 3: like a long, deep room. Very cool.

976
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah, so many of the stills from this movie,

977
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: like other bob Of stills, Like it looks like you

978
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: could lick them and get the various candy flavors out

979
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: of it.

980
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 3: You know, Oh, I know exactly what you mean. Yeah,

981
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 3: So Leko explains the situation and says, you know, she's

982
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: there's something wrong with her, she's been ill, and I've

983
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 3: been protecting her. I've been keeping her away from public

984
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 3: view until she is healed. So Hercules goes to the

985
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 3: garden to see her, and this is the creepy scene

986
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 3: I was talking about earlier, where she's standing there staring

987
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 3: at a fountain and looking like she's in a trance,

988
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 3: muttering about how she will never see the man she

989
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 3: loves again, and Hercules is standing right there, but she's

990
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 3: talking in a dreamy voice that saying she must be

991
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 3: imagining him he no longer exists, and she says, my

992
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 3: love is dead in the deep sea, and never again,

993
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 3: while I see my love, Never to see my love

994
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 3: again and again. The spaced out performance is really great here,

995
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 3: very spooky, and it's sort of shot from a distance

996
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 3: as she wanders away repeating these melancholy lines.

997
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty great and I have to say. The

998
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: previous scene is one of multiple scenes in the film

999
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: where Hercules interacts with Leco and is like and afterwards

1000
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: it's like, yep, that checks out, you know, obvious villain.

1001
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: Christopher Lee. Yeah, yeah, that sounds good. I'm glad you're

1002
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: on it, sir. I'm gonna go onto my next mission.

1003
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 3: Christopher Lee in the Prince Valiant haircut, within the dark Cloak,

1004
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 3: surrounded by the soldiers. He's the stand up guy. I

1005
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 3: believe everything he just said. So Hercules me. It's again

1006
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 3: with his friend of Karros, who says something is wrong

1007
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 3: in the land. It's not just Danira. Evil mists have

1008
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 3: come down from the mountains and poisoned the air. People

1009
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 3: hide in their homes and feel that a terror is

1010
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 3: upon them. And Danira's madness is not ordinary. There is

1011
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 3: some wicked force behind it, and it's the same force

1012
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 3: that is oppressing Achala, and he more or less hays

1013
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 3: like your mission, Hercules, should you choose to accept it

1014
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 3: as to save Danira and Achalea from this evil force?

1015
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: And of course he's gonna accept He's that's the kind

1016
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: of stand up guy Hercules is, of course.

1017
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 3: Oh and then this feels kind of, uh, I don't know,

1018
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 3: kind of superfluous. But then Hercules goes back to this

1019
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 3: same guy's room later that night and oh, there he is.

1020
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 3: He's been murdered. Who did this?

1021
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was gonna get more details, right, He's like,

1022
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: I can't talk to you too much here, but come

1023
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: back to my place where it's safe. He shows up

1024
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: and of course dude is.

1025
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 3: Dead, right, and Chrisopher Lee is there, but.

1026
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: He like walk He's like in the hallway behind.

1027
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's lurking. And then Hercules is like, oh good, yes, yeah,

1028
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 3: so he comes in and starts explaining things to Hercules.

1029
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 3: He's like, you know, long ago, before dan ears father

1030
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 3: took the throne, the forces of evil reigned in this land.

1031
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 3: But dan Eur's father or maybe her grandfather, I don't remember,

1032
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 3: which banished those evil spirits to Hades, the land of

1033
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 3: the dead, and now they have put the spirits have

1034
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 3: put a curse over the land. The curse will only

1035
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 3: be lifted once the royal line is destroyed. And Hercules

1036
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 3: is like, there must be some way to fight them,

1037
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 3: and Leko is like, are there ways of fighting against shadows,

1038
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 3: against wind, against bolts of lightning can one fight the

1039
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 3: raging storms that batter the earth. And Hercules says, I

1040
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 3: know what to do. I'm gonna ask the gods for

1041
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 3: a weapon to fight the evil. Thanks, Leco, you've been

1042
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 3: a big help. So he's gonna go consult the sibyl,

1043
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 3: the who you know, the oracle who can send who

1044
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 3: can get messages from the gods to him. Now, this

1045
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 3: is another wonderful set and composition. Here, the Sybil I

1046
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 3: think the character is named Medea, is sitting at the

1047
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 3: end of a clear, still reflecting pool, surrounded by fires

1048
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 3: and braziers, with a kaleidoscope of colored lights falling over her.

1049
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 3: She's got green, red, and blue lights on her. She's

1050
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 3: in this spider like posture that's very creepy, and she's

1051
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 3: wearing a white mask over her face with a frowning

1052
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 3: mouth and closed eyes. And the Sybil tells him that

1053
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 3: the forces of evil have bound her to silence and

1054
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 3: she cannot speak of this subject. But Hercules is like,

1055
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 3: you gotta help me, and so he ends up praying

1056
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 3: to Zeus. Remember Zeus is Hercules' father. He's like, Dad,

1057
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: help me, and so he says he will offer up

1058
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 3: his immortality in exchange for help with this quest my

1059
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 3: life for Dan Eirez. Let the Sybil speak, and it

1060
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 3: seems like this works. The Sybil asks if he is

1061
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 3: willing to go into the underworld, and you can almost

1062
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 3: kind of hear Hercules gulp here. He says, no man

1063
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 3: has ever gone there and come back. But she says,

1064
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 3: a stone is shining in the depths of the earth,

1065
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 3: far beyond the garden of the Hesperides, A stone hidden

1066
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 3: in the river sticks only there where death dwells can

1067
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 3: be found. Life for your woman, And then lightning flashes

1068
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 3: and she says, thus has Zeus spoken through me, So

1069
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: it seems like we have our quest.

1070
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to go to the underworld, get a

1071
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: special stone and bring it back out again.

1072
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 3: Not the most earthshakingly new type of story. He's got

1073
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 3: to go get a magical item from the underworld. We

1074
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 3: may have heard one like this before, but you know what,

1075
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 3: it's a classic for a reason is a classic. Yeah,

1076
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 3: So now it's time for Hercules to gather allies. Of course,

1077
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 3: he's going to take his hunky best friend theseus along,

1078
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 3: maybe in case they need to win any beauty contests

1079
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 3: along the way. But he also ends up taking a weird,

1080
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 3: cowardly little guy named Telemachus for comic relief purpose. If

1081
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 3: Hercules is El Santo, Telemachus is his perry co.

1082
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Telemachus is legitimately funny throughout most of the picture, Like,

1083
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: I am glad he came along on this adventure. He's

1084
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: It's an over the top performance, but not not too

1085
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: over the top. I don't know if it felt like

1086
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: the right balance for me.

1087
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 3: I can easily imagine a similar Italian movie like this

1088
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 3: going way overboard with the silliness of this character.

1089
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, the actor here, I think, has he reminded me

1090
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of Rowan Atkinson.

1091
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's mister Bean.

1092
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a little bit of mister Bean to the performance.

1093
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some slight bullying by Herk, but it's kind

1094
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 3: of good natured and he like. At one point, Telemachus

1095
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: is like, I'm guarding the bridge. I can't let you

1096
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 3: go see theseus because he and he and Jocosta are

1097
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 3: making out, and Hercules is like, I'm his friend, and

1098
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 3: Telemachus won't move, so Hercules kind of lifts him up

1099
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 3: by his hair to get him out of the way.

1100
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 3: But it's it seems to be good natured like he

1101
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 3: he also protects tell Maccus later.

1102
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: And I guess Telemachus helps out like he basically comes

1103
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: around a lot because he wants to come along and

1104
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: you know, more importantly to be comic relief for the film.

1105
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, Theseus is busy kissing Jocosta when herk shows up,

1106
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,959
Speaker 3: and Herk is like, hey, get your weapons, it's time

1107
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 3: for an adventure, and Theseus is like, oh great, I

1108
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 3: was getting bored, and Jocosta only looks a little bit offended,

1109
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 3: and so you know they're they're gonna they decide they

1110
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 3: need to get a ship because they're gonna have to

1111
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 3: travel across the sea. They have to get a golden

1112
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 3: apple from the Garden of the Hesperides, which is the

1113
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 3: only way they can get to the underworld alive. And

1114
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 3: the Garden of the Hesperites is at the edge of

1115
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 3: the Kingdom of Eternal Night, where the sun never rises.

1116
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 3: And then Theseus is like, oh, the Hesperites they're all women,

1117
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 3: aren't they. I should not have any trouble getting them

1118
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 3: to give us what we need. And then we cut

1119
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 3: to Jocosta looking skeptical, but Telemachus tells Herk and theseus that, oh,

1120
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 3: I know, so this guy Sonnis who can let us

1121
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 3: borrow a ship, I'll convince him to let us borrow

1122
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 3: his ship, And then cut immediately to that not working

1123
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 3: out so well is like a he's like a big

1124
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 3: guy in red with an axe, and he's like, got

1125
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 3: Telemachus tied up to these teams of horses.

1126
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, about to pull him in half. It's legitimately hilarious

1127
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: cut here because he's like, I got it taken care of.

1128
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: Oh I'm about to be pulled in half.

1129
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like the horses, I don't. He explains like,

1130
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 3: I'll let you borrow my ship if you survived the

1131
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 3: test of my horses.

1132
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1133
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 3: But then his muscly friends come to the rescue. Hercules

1134
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 3: comes in and like grabs hold of the ropes that

1135
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 3: are holding the horses, and so like he just with

1136
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 3: his muscles holds them together until they can free Telemachus. Meanwhile,

1137
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 3: theseus goes and fights Soonis on the beach. Our heroes

1138
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 3: prevail and they they take the ship, while Soonis runs

1139
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 3: off after his horses. So our three adventurers journey across

1140
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 3: the ocean to the domain of the Hesperides, and the

1141
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 3: lighting on this sea voyage is once again insane. There's

1142
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 3: like swirling mist in the sky, black clouds, a red sky.

1143
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 3: The heroes somehow all become magically sedated, and they fall

1144
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 3: irresistibly into sleep while they're traveling over the ocean, and

1145
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 3: this dark cloud comes up over them, and the ocean

1146
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 3: opens up and reveals a deep passage and realms below.

1147
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,439
Speaker 3: And when they wake up, they are somehow transported off

1148
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 3: their ship into a cave where mist sits over the floor,

1149
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 3: and these shadowy women are watching them while they sleep.

1150
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 3: So they wake up and they're greeted by an agent

1151
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 3: of the Hesperites who says that they're Queen Arethusa wants

1152
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 3: to meet with them. I like the Hysparites costumes. They're

1153
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 3: like just sashes upon sashes, like you made if you

1154
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 3: made a whole dress out of like fifty silk scarves.

1155
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. This, by the way, is Marisa Belly, who lived

1156
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty three through twenty seventeen.

1157
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 3: Queen Arthusa. Yes, yeah, and so Hercules greets her courteously.

1158
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 3: He's he's a gentleman and a gracious guest. But Queen

1159
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 3: Arthusa already knows of him and knows why he has come.

1160
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 3: She says she's willing to help, but she issues a warning.

1161
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 3: He can attempt to claim the apple, but it's all

1162
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 3: or nothing. If he goes after the fruit and fails,

1163
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 3: he will die. And of course, you know, her accepts

1164
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 3: he's not afraid, so she tells him where to find it.

1165
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 3: It's in a sacred tree, far from the eyes of

1166
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 3: any greedy soul. So we go there, and our heroes

1167
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 3: are sort of separated here that the Hesperites tell Telemachus

1168
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 3: and theseus that like, oh, here are some beds for

1169
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 3: you to sleep on while Hercules is getting the apple.

1170
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 3: You just stay here on these beds, and they're like okay.

1171
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 3: And then Hercules goes to this tangled, tangled tree with

1172
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 3: these big exposed roots, this bathed in blue light. The

1173
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 3: set is very eerie, and the music matches with these

1174
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 3: low wobbling woodwinds. And the queen goes with him to

1175
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 3: the base of the tree and you know, tells him

1176
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 3: good luck, and Hercules climbs and but he encounters trouble.

1177
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 3: They're like tangled branches, thorns, and then when he gets

1178
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 3: very high, there's lightning and thunder and wind whipping at him,

1179
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 3: and at one point he falls, but he catches hold

1180
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 3: of a lower branch. There's like fire pouring out of

1181
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 3: the upper branches at him, Like, I guess maybe they

1182
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 3: were struck by lightning.

1183
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So it's quickly becoming obvious that this tree

1184
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: is just inaccessible to climbing.

1185
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he can't get up to the apple by climbing it,

1186
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 3: but he's going to think outside the box. So he

1187
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 3: comes back down to the base of the tree and

1188
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 3: he gets a boulder. He puts it in a sling

1189
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 3: made out of the ropes that are tying some horses,

1190
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 3: and he like throws the boulder at the tree and

1191
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 3: a branch falls and it has the apple on it.

1192
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 3: He claims the apple clutches. The apple great solution. Meanwhile, elsewhere,

1193
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 3: Theseus and Telemachus are sleeping in their designated cave on

1194
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 3: the on the iron beds that the Hesperides led them to,

1195
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 3: and uh oh, a monster that looks like it's made

1196
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,919
Speaker 3: out of iron rail spikes and filthy rags comes out.

1197
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 3: And then Theseus wakes up and tries to hit it

1198
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 3: with a sword, but it's clear that that's not doing anything.

1199
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,919
Speaker 3: This monster is hard as a rock, or maybe even

1200
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 3: made of rocks. I think maybe made of rocks.

1201
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's like it's kind of like a stone

1202
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: golumn or something.

1203
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 3: I love this monster design. He looks like he's having

1204
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 3: a bad day, like his mouth is hanging open in anguish.

1205
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, who's sleeping on my slabs?

1206
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 3: So we cut away from that to Herk and Arthusa,

1207
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 3: now in a happy, sunny garden instead of a gloomy,

1208
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 3: cursed one, and Arthusa explains that the Hesperites were cursed

1209
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 3: by Pluto to live in darkness, but they were originally

1210
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 3: daughters of the Sun, and now that they've been freed

1211
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 3: from the curse by Herk's retrieval of the apple, they

1212
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 3: can return to the sun. And she also reveals that

1213
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 3: all this time, while they've been cursed by Pluto, they

1214
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 3: have been forced to kill. You see, they have been

1215
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 3: slaves of Procrustes. Procrustes was a figure who was like,

1216
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 3: I think, a bandit in Greek mythology. Who's the story

1217
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 3: is that he had these like iron beds, and he

1218
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 3: if you weren't the same size as the iron bed

1219
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 3: that he puts you on, he would either crush you

1220
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 3: or stretch you to make you fit on the iron bed.

1221
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: Oh well, that that explains the scene that's about to

1222
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: happen here.

1223
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 3: Yes, so Arethusa apologizes to her. She's like, I'm sorry

1224
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 3: your friends, Theseus and Telemachus, they had to be the

1225
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 3: last sacrifices we were giving to Procrestes. But she says,

1226
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 3: if you destroy Procrustes, the gates of the underworld will

1227
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 3: open for you. And herk of course, rushes to protect

1228
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 3: his friends. We see the monster like explaining to theseus

1229
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 3: that he needs to stretch him out until he's the

1230
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 3: exact size of his iron bed. He says, you will

1231
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 3: be as thin as the ropes that bind you. Then

1232
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 3: I will tie you in a knot that no one

1233
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 3: can untie. But then Hercules runs in and he's I think.

1234
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 3: He says, of stone. You are made only by stone?

1235
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 3: Can you be unmade? And he lifts him up and

1236
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 3: throws him into the wall, and like every like all

1237
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 3: these rocks just crumble, so like for crusties breaks apart

1238
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 3: into pieces, and the wall crumbles and it reveals the

1239
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 3: gate to the underworld. Very funny, by.

1240
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: The way, yeah, but also really like really cool, Like

1241
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: it is like the gates of the underworld are opening,

1242
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: and in descended from Hercules, the author points out that,

1243
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of like rock imagery with Hercules

1244
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: in these films. Like Hercules is of course always throwing rocks,

1245
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: He's always being strapped to rocks. He's battling creatures made

1246
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: of rocks, and like his physiology is very rock like

1247
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: as well.

1248
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think they leave Telemachus behind. But Hercules

1249
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 3: and theseus they go on through the underworld. They encounter

1250
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 3: some illusions as they go. There's like a vision of

1251
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 3: a beautiful woman chain to a rock, and she's not real.

1252
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 3: It's like an illusion to trick them. And there's a

1253
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 3: vision of like a valley of flames and that's not real,

1254
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 3: it's actually just And then there are all these vines

1255
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 3: that they have to cut their way through, and when

1256
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 3: they cut the vines, they hear these screams and the

1257
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 3: vines bleed blood, so they're like human vines.

1258
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

1259
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 3: But eventually they come across a shining stone in the distance,

1260
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 3: and Herk says that is the stone that could save

1261
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 3: dayan Ear his life. It seems you could just reach

1262
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 3: out and take it. But the boiling lava makes it difficult.

1263
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 3: So they've got to get over the lava somehow. How

1264
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 3: are they going to do that? Well, they come up

1265
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 3: with an idea. We're gonna throw a rock yep Hercules.

1266
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 3: He ties some of the vines, the screaming vines by

1267
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 3: the way, which are like screaming as he cuts more

1268
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 3: of them to the rock, and then he throws the

1269
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 3: rock and this creates like a I don't know what

1270
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 3: you call this. I was one to say zipline, but

1271
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 3: they're not ziplining, like like a rope across the chasm

1272
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 3: over the lava that they can climb to cross it.

1273
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna have to sort of like monkey across it,

1274
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: I guess, you know.

1275
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's a long climbing over the lava scene

1276
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 3: and then oh theseus falls and he sinks into the lava,

1277
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 3: our beloved hunk. You think he's dead for a moment.

1278
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, my jaw dropped. I was like, oh my goodness,

1279
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: we lost him, you know.

1280
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it.

1281
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it becomes then I'm like, he's probably

1282
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: coming back. Right, this is a place full of illusion.

1283
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 3: Right, this is not the end for theseus. He suddenly

1284
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 3: appears elsewhere, unconscious in a cave with a woman we

1285
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 3: have previously not met, caressing his face, and she introduces

1286
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 3: herself as one of the shadows of the underworld. There's

1287
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,799
Speaker 3: some ambiguity like are she and Theseus dead or alive?

1288
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 3: But anyway, within about five lines of dialogue, Theseus is

1289
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 3: legit like you're the love of my life. I will

1290
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 3: never leave you.

1291
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's uncertain, at least at first, whether

1292
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 1: this is magic or this is like literally every relationship

1293
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: he has with a woman, like one minute in head

1294
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: over heels in love.

1295
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Herk is getting the magic stone. He sort of

1296
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 3: has to like bash it out of an incrustation, and

1297
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 3: then he's just wandering back to the ship with the

1298
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 3: magic stone that he got. He runs into Telemachus and

1299
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 3: he's like, Theseus is dead. The lava of Hades swallowed him.

1300
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 3: And then Theseus jumps out from behind a rock and

1301
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 3: he's he says, actually I'm fine, and Herk's like, oh cool.

1302
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: I thought this was going to be an illusion at first,

1303
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: because I thought Telemachus was back on the ship and

1304
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 1: wasn't coming in, and I wasn't sure what was going

1305
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 1: on with theseus and I was like, oh goodness, he's

1306
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: about to be led astray and have to kill another monster.

1307
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: But no, they were just legitimately like it's time to go, hrk,

1308
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 1: let's go, and they do.

1309
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little bit lucy goosey plotting at this part,

1310
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 3: but so they all go back to the ship and

1311
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 3: they're sailing home and Theseus has brought along a stowaway.

1312
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 3: It's his dream woman from Hell. She is riding in

1313
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 3: the cargo hold of the ship. Even though they talk

1314
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 3: about how she knows that Hercules would have said, no,

1315
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 3: you can't take someone from Hades with you back with you,

1316
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 3: but Theseus hides it from Hercules. So a storm comes

1317
01:09:54,920 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 3: up and Theseus goes down to talk to this woman Hades,

1318
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 3: and she says Pluto is angry and he's trying to

1319
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 3: stop them from leaving the underworld, and she begs Theseus

1320
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 3: to throw the golden Apple into the sea, so he does,

1321
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 3: and when Hercules sees this, he is furious that that

1322
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,839
Speaker 3: was their ticket out of Hades. But suddenly the sky clears,

1323
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 3: sun comes out. Seems like it worked, but something isn't

1324
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,600
Speaker 3: quite right. So they get to shore and Herky is

1325
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 3: returning to Akalea on horseback, and he's passing smoldering fields

1326
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 3: of smoke and bleached cattle bones and people are trudging

1327
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 3: around hopelessly, and one man explains to him that someone

1328
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 3: must have offended the gods because things have been bad

1329
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 3: here Heavenly fire and disease descended and the people have

1330
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 3: been ruined. So Hercules arrives back at the city and

1331
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 3: people here are blaming him for the calamity. It must

1332
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 3: be his fault because he went to the underworld and

1333
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 3: he returned. And meanwhile, at the palace, we get a

1334
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 3: scene alone with Theseus and his dream woman from Hell

1335
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 3: and she reveals her true identity. She is a may Zotide,

1336
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 3: the daughter of Pluto. So woo, this is a this

1337
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 3: is a goddess and she wasn't supposed to leave Hades.

1338
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:08,760
Speaker 1: Oops yep.

1339
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 3: She says, you and your people are gonna be punished

1340
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 3: for bringing me here. Our love is doomed, but Theseus

1341
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 3: won't accept it. He says he'll do anything to protect

1342
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 3: their love, even if he has to kill Hercules, and

1343
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 3: then the kiss. Uh. Meanwhile, back to like dian Era

1344
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 3: for the first time, she awakes and she has sort

1345
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 3: of a conscious reunion with Hercules. She's back to herself,

1346
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,919
Speaker 3: now healed by the power of the magic stone from Hades.

1347
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 3: But the curse on the land continues and Hercules and

1348
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 3: Danira's love is blamed, so Hercules has to go back

1349
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 3: to the Sibyl to learn how to stop it. Meanwhile,

1350
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 3: he's like, Uncle Leco, you know you're you would be

1351
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 3: great to keep watch over dan Era and make sure

1352
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 3: she's safe while I do this.

1353
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolute faith in Uncle Leco here.

1354
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 3: Yes. Perfect. So Herk goes to the Sibil once again,

1355
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 3: and she reveals they have angered the gods and Theseus

1356
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 3: has to renounce his love, and Herk balks. He's like, uh, oh, no,

1357
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:07,640
Speaker 3: you're never going to get a man to renounce his

1358
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 3: love for a woman. But the Sybil says, when you

1359
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:14,839
Speaker 3: learn who she truly is, you will bid him renounce her. Meanwhile,

1360
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 3: back at the palace, Leco's doing Leco stuff. He like

1361
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 3: he reveals that he was the one behind Danira's illness,

1362
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 3: and he murders her lady in waiting and she like

1363
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,560
Speaker 3: runs away from her from from him, screaming.

1364
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: Oh, now, is this the scene where we get the

1365
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 1: blood pool on the floor and she looks down and

1366
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 1: we see Uncle Leco's we see Christopher Lee's reflection in

1367
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: the blood puddle.

1368
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 3: Yes, oh beautiful, excellent. Yeah, and now she knows, now,

1369
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 3: she knows it was him all along. Meanwhile, we got

1370
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 3: Hercules confronting Theseus. You know. Theseus confesses to Hercules about

1371
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 3: who his lover is. Yep, she's a goddess. Yeah, Pluto's

1372
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 3: really mad at us, and we're going to be cursed

1373
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 3: until she goes back. But I will not give up

1374
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 3: my love for her. She's staying here with me. And

1375
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 3: they argue, and Theseus draws his sword. He's like, I

1376
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 3: will fight you to the death over this, and they fight,

1377
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 3: but Hercules refuses to kill him. Of course, Hercules is

1378
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 3: going to win the fight. So Theseus is kind of

1379
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 3: knocked unconscious, and then the goddess comes to him and

1380
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 3: she says, Hercules, this was all a bad idea. I'm

1381
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 3: gonna peace out.

1382
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: Wow, isn't it like the gods and goddesses. They're just

1383
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: kind of like waltzing through human affairs, causing absolute chaos,

1384
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: and then they're just like I'm done, I'm out.

1385
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 3: Yes, But she also does do a kindness to Hercules

1386
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 3: before she leaves, she fills him in. She's like, by

1387
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 3: the way, that the king Leco, who you think is

1388
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 3: really great, who's like watching your fiance right now, he's bad.

1389
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:46,680
Speaker 3: He's the one behind the curse.

1390
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: Not Leco, like he's shocked through his course.

1391
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Herk is like, oh wow, thanks for the info.

1392
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 3: So this leads to the final showdown. Herk has got

1393
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 3: to go rescue Danira from Leco. He goes down into

1394
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 3: Leo's secret passageways. I think Leko's getting ready to do

1395
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 3: some kind of ritual sacrifice of Danira to usher in

1396
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:09,719
Speaker 3: a great age of evil and darkness.

1397
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, his dark masters told him that he needs to

1398
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: drink her blood, and his blood needs to be in

1399
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: her like some sort of like you know, typical vampire

1400
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 1: shenanigans need to take place, and then he'll get to

1401
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 1: live forever and rule over a world of darkness.

1402
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 3: Right. But when Hercules goes down into the catacombs, he

1403
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 3: gets attacked by zombies. And here's where it really becomes

1404
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 3: peplam horror for a while. I love these zombies. They're

1405
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 3: not super we don't really get a close look at

1406
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 3: their flesh. They're kind of coming in and out and

1407
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 3: kind of obscured. But I really like their design anyway.

1408
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 3: I think they look great. It's implied that they're gross.

1409
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 3: They're covered in these rags, and they're actually pretty scary,

1410
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 3: and some of them can fly. They're like zombies that

1411
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 3: without legs, that are just upper bodies that fly through

1412
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 3: the air.

1413
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they look great. We don't get a close enough

1414
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: look at them to really tell, like, his this a

1415
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: grave shroud or is this like some sort of a

1416
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: weird birth call over them? Like everything is like, you know,

1417
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 1: lit to the nines. It looks amazing. I was. I

1418
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: was totally in on all of these Bava zombies.

1419
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, absolutely. And then there's this one sequence that's

1420
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 3: so strange. I don't know what to make of this,

1421
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 3: but it's great. It's like Herk is fighting the zombies

1422
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 3: inside a stone trash compactor.

1423
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the walls start closing in and he's and

1424
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: and he's moving towards us, towards the camera with the

1425
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, the walls closing zombies in inside that tunnel

1426
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 1: with him trying to slow him down and cause him

1427
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,520
Speaker 1: to be crushed by the rocks. But of course it's Hercules.

1428
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,640
Speaker 1: He manages to get out, but just just in the

1429
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: nick of time.

1430
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 3: Right just in time to stop Leko from from stabbing

1431
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 3: dayani Era with this like bone hand dagger. It's like

1432
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 3: a skeleton's hand as a dagger.

1433
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's it's pretty gnarly.

1434
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Herk comes to the rescue, and then this

1435
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 3: kind of surprised me. It's a physical fight, and Leko

1436
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 3: is sort of able to hold his own for a

1437
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,520
Speaker 3: while in physically fighting Hercules.

1438
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, without any obvious nods to him having some sort

1439
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: of enhanced supernatural powers here, it's just more of like

1440
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 1: a straight up brawl. I mean, the end's not really

1441
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: in question, but.

1442
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, of course Herk wins. Hey, do you

1443
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 3: want to guess how Hercules defeats the evil Wizard King

1444
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 3: in the end.

1445
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 1: Oh, let's give everyone out there a second to consider

1446
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 1: the possibilities.

1447
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 3: It's a good old rock toss, perhaps one of the

1448
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 3: standing stones, and it's just he's hirk smash. He smashes

1449
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 3: him with the rock. Oh, it's so good. Oh. And

1450
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 3: then after that, do you want to guess how he

1451
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 3: defeats the waves of zombies that continue rushing in the

1452
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 3: altar he throws another boulder, and then he throws another boulder,

1453
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 3: and then another boulder.

1454
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 1: He uproots all of the stones one by one at

1455
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 1: this ancient but probably on holy site. Yeah, and just

1456
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 1: keeps yeating them into the zombies, one after the other,

1457
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 1: just smashing them.

1458
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 3: And then the eclipse ends. Oh there's all this talk

1459
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 3: about like a great dragon devouring the sun or the moon,

1460
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 3: maybe devouring the moon. I think this is imagery of

1461
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 3: an eclipse. It ends, and then Leco catches on fire

1462
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 3: and disappears.

1463
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, simply like to by modern standards, I guess, a

1464
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 1: simple effect, but perfectly executed right. Like so many things

1465
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: in this movie, and I think other Bava films, it's

1466
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 1: like it's just like everything is carried off, carried out seamlessly.

1467
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. And then we get a very happy ending

1468
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 3: for everybody. So Danira is say she and herk are

1469
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 3: reunited and happy. I guess they're married at the end,

1470
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 3: or they're gonna get married, and so they're happy. Hercules

1471
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 3: also makes up with his friend. He goes to Theseus,

1472
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 3: and Theseus only vaguely remembers his time with the woman

1473
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 3: from Hell. He remembers it as if it's a dream

1474
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 3: and he's finally back together with Jocasta, which is great

1475
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 3: beause they're a great couple. I feel kind of bad

1476
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 3: for Jocasta just being left behind all this time, and

1477
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 3: oh they see they seem great together.

1478
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 1: But she initially shows up with Telemachus and he's like, hey,

1479
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna marry her. And then she's like like, actually, no,

1480
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 1: now I see theseus. I'm gonna go to him.

1481
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. So they're back together, and then and then we

1482
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 3: get some some platitudes about love to play us out.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Love is passionate, says Hercules, but often inconsistent.

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Speaker 3: Hmm, think on that one. Yeah. Anyway, Hercules and the

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Speaker 3: Haunted World a thumbs up from me six six bowlders up.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, this one was a lot of fun. I've

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Speaker 1: watched a lot of Hercules movies and Hercules adjacent movies

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Speaker 1: over the years, and I think this one may be

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Speaker 1: the most visually appealing, though. I also really liked the

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Speaker 1: visual flare of the Lufarigno Hercules movie that we watched

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Speaker 1: earlier on Weird House Cinema.

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Speaker 3: Mm. Yeah, that one felt less like the product of

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Speaker 3: a single director's artistic vision.

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Speaker 1: I would oh, absolutely. I remember it having some very

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Speaker 1: yanky stop motion effects in it, but also some very

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Speaker 1: like spacey lights at times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but was very fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this one is definitely more like structurally complete. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, Hercules in the Hunted World. Hey, everyone out there,

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Speaker 1: if you've seen this movie, or if you have thoughts

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Speaker 1: about various other Pepplam movies, we've talked about here Hercules

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Speaker 1: movies and their many derivatives right in. We would love

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Speaker 1: to hear what you have to say will remind you

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Speaker 1: that Weird House Cinema. This is the Friday episode in

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Speaker 1: talk about a weird film. If you want to see

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Speaker 1: to check it out see what we've been up to,

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Speaker 1: I guess just there's the post. Here there's a listing

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Speaker 1: of the movie that we're covering next.

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