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Speaker 1: Oh hey there everybody, episode ninety nine and hunt in

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Speaker 1: Collectives coming right at you. Here from Boza, Montana. We

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Speaker 1: got a pretty interesting one to day. We were joined

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Speaker 1: by a bunch of meat eaters, Steven ron Ella, uh,

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Speaker 1: Kylie Archer. Who else Phil did we have in the room?

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Speaker 1: Karine Schneider, Schneider Crann, Handy Racer. We finally confronted Steve

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Speaker 1: about the feud. He apparently was unaware of the feud. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We're both very possessive of Phil and we're trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out who ultimately he is. Um. Yeah, can I

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Speaker 1: just say that that was a dehumanizing conversation. Boy, it

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Speaker 1: was rough. I didn't Steve took it, took it to

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Speaker 1: a new level. Yeah. I was expecting some some backup,

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Speaker 1: like maybe he would have brought me into his arms,

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Speaker 1: and no, no, he he made He really dehumanized you

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Speaker 1: in the in the shocking. You know, when parents get

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Speaker 1: divorced and sometimes they have to get a court and

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Speaker 1: fight over custody for their child. It was the opposite. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They were like they were like, neither of us, like

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Speaker 1: one of you has to take him, and so I

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Speaker 1: think I get you, Uh, but you'll you're gonna do that.

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Speaker 1: We also we did a thing. You know, you have

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Speaker 1: ideas sometimes and then they come to fruition and you're

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Speaker 1: like it was a good or not, You don't really know.

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Speaker 1: This is one of those times. We had all our

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Speaker 1: metaors in here because we were gonna do a little

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Speaker 1: blind taste test, a little pepsi challenge on UH plant

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Speaker 1: trick anybody. We had wild Game Cook extraordinary Rick Matteney

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Speaker 1: put up a couple of brots of different kinds and

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Speaker 1: a couple of burgers of different kinds. We blindfolded, at

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Speaker 1: least Steve was blindfolded to see if they could taste

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Speaker 1: the difference. So you'll will keep you in suspense, but

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Speaker 1: the answer was pretty clear on this one. So it's

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Speaker 1: a fun time with our crew. And then we had

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Speaker 1: Rachel carry On Rich carries an author have the United Kingdom.

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Speaker 1: She is you know, directly embroiled in the whole anti hunting,

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Speaker 1: anti trophy hunting situation in the UK. For all UK

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Speaker 1: listeners were finally getting to this. All three of you

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Speaker 1: have been asking about it incessantly, So now tell your

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Speaker 1: friends about the podcast. Tell your friends grow the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I know. I looked, actually looked not to put bring

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Speaker 1: too many numbers into I looked, how many people four

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Speaker 1: thousand people in the UK listening to this podcast? Four

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Speaker 1: thousand and three d yep, wow, that's third only to

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Speaker 1: Canada the United States. That's crazy. So thanks, I'm impressed.

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Speaker 1: Thanks over there, So all four thousand of you are

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Speaker 1: gonna listen to this one and enjoy it. But it's

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Speaker 1: it's in all seriousness. It's a it's a conversation that

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Speaker 1: we want to have about what's going on over there

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Speaker 1: because a lot of ways mirrors what might happen here eventually.

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Speaker 1: So enjoy Rachel Carey coming up. But before we get

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Speaker 1: all that, I'm gonna keep telling you about this New

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Speaker 1: Zealand hunt because you know, why not? Why wouldn't you enter?

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a big deal. Yeah, it's a huge

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Speaker 1: deal for me. Uh Phil, as you think of any

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Speaker 1: reasons you wouldn't enter this contest? Um, I do you

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Speaker 1: get penalized for entering the count? Know? You just give

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Speaker 1: up your email. It's worth, it's worth still worth, it's

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Speaker 1: worth go to first like dot com. Scroll down, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna see when a tar Hunt with Ben or Bran

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Speaker 1: from the Hunting Collective. There you click on that, follow

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Speaker 1: the prompts and you might just win a tar hunt

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Speaker 1: New Zealm with me and you win a weather be

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Speaker 1: rifle you went to bench, main knife, a full kid

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Speaker 1: from first Light, all those things in this awesome giveaway.

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Speaker 1: And as as Phil correctly stated, it's a huge deal.

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Speaker 1: So go there check it out. I'm gonna keep telling

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Speaker 1: you about it until all of you have done it

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Speaker 1: because I want you to have a chance to win.

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Speaker 1: I care about you, all right, only episode don't laugh

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Speaker 1: and I said I care about you. Feel laugh. I

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Speaker 1: do care about you, all right and joy episode Hey,

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Speaker 1: everybody welcome episode number and the Hunting Collective. I've been

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Speaker 1: and Brian feels over there, Phil, it's time we had

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Speaker 1: to come to uh jeseus set to do this. Quiet

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Speaker 1: over there, Phil, we just Steve. There's been a monthly,

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Speaker 1: two months long feud between Steve show my show about Phil,

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Speaker 1: Steve's now was not aware of the feud until just now. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know that there's a lot of people

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Speaker 1: I also know that he's just down there welled down there,

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Speaker 1: I don't care. Why would you, right? Did you care? Back?

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Speaker 1: Then let me ask you back to see how he

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Speaker 1: I don't want to see what grotesque man was behind there.

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Speaker 1: I don't look, ye, I don't want to look. Now

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Speaker 1: we're on the same page there, No, But you know,

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Speaker 1: Phil has become a big part of this show, and

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Speaker 1: then and then, uh, the listeners have become kind of

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Speaker 1: protected of I mean, like a baby bird, like they

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Speaker 1: don't want him to get out of the nest because

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Speaker 1: a baby bird, you shoot up all of my food.

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Speaker 1: And very similar to that here on the show, I

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Speaker 1: treat you with great respect and reverence. We brought you

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Speaker 1: out from the curtain into the light. Um. But a

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Speaker 1: lot of people wrote in when he did this mini

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Speaker 1: green and it was the first time people noticed that

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Speaker 1: he wasn't doing an ad. He was being interviewed. He's

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Speaker 1: being interviewed. He's being interviewed because he's sitting there and

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Speaker 1: the third party. It's awkward for me to act like

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Speaker 1: he's not there. That's right, that's right. So I'm more

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Speaker 1: you have to include me. Yeah, Like, if you're driving

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Speaker 1: proximity is similar, almost like that you're driving down the

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Speaker 1: not acknowledging that he's in your car. I do that

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Speaker 1: often my wife friends. So I asked Phil a couple

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Speaker 1: is say to me, like, never talk to Phil again,

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Speaker 1: When all right. That's a lot of power that I

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Speaker 1: like we love we love Philip. He's a great part

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Speaker 1: when he shaved his mustache off. That was a big issue,

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Speaker 1: a like to put like a cage around him. Yes, um, yep?

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Speaker 1: Do you what do you call him? Philly engineer? Okay,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot coming out around the tab. It was

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Speaker 1: like that you were just calling him Phil like I'm not,

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Speaker 1: I'm not like come on now, no, And we've we'll

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Speaker 1: we've we've dug into his life a little bit like

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Speaker 1: the long guy. Yeah he's got did you know he

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Speaker 1: has Steve Jors have a dog. Why would I care

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Speaker 1: next year? I mean, I don't what about the cat?

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Speaker 1: I like, just so Phil realizes, uh, just so he's

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Speaker 1: clear about a relationship. Please. I like to every time

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Speaker 1: a way for him to feel just lest he become familiar. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you're not. Acknowledge is progeny to push him away. And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, Phil, I don't know you're married and

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Speaker 1: of a bitch. Well, Philly, what do you got to say?

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Speaker 1: Who who brought you some presents? A Phil? Oh? You

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Speaker 1: did see anybody else bring your presents? Stay? Phil? You

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Speaker 1: know I can't think of anyone in particular. You got

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Speaker 1: some cheesecake via my birthday? Yeah, that was Kylie. She

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Speaker 1: well I'll bring you. I'm gonna shower you with gifts. Phil.

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Speaker 1: You're married, Phil, can't wait? Three kids? All right? Well

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Speaker 1: He and Karin the producer and Steven Ronelle. Of course

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Speaker 1: we're here to do something we're waiting on where we're

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Speaker 1: waiting in the wings for. We're calling it the Pepsi Challenge.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like that might be trademarked, um, so

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Speaker 1: Rick Mattney, the Great cook while a game cooker. Rick

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Speaker 1: Matty's out there right now trigger in um some fake,

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Speaker 1: weird smelling, catfool looking substance and also wild game meat.

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Speaker 1: So what he's gonna do. He's gonna bring in half

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Speaker 1: a half of hamburger cheeseburger. Everybody here is good with cheese.

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Speaker 1: a lab grown I'm interested in the eating of the

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Speaker 1: labyrior meats. Would you do it? Oh? I never have,

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Speaker 1: but I would love to have some. So let's let's

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Speaker 1: I saw that, Uh, I guess I had lumped it out. Okay,

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Speaker 1: go on, it doesn't matter what I thought. Yes it does. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I thought you meant that it was like the lab meat. No, No,

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Speaker 1: it's plant. It smells, it looks like it might have

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Speaker 1: been made in the lab. But it's it's called beyond meat.

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Speaker 1: And I lied to you also by telling you that

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Speaker 1: he comes, here, he comes Rick, Matt, He's it's called

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Speaker 1: beyond meat to plant based burger grabbing mic real quick, Rick,

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Speaker 1: and just describe the dish you have here we go. Yeah. Basically,

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Speaker 1: what we have here is we have one of the

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Speaker 1: Beyond Burger's sample set and then one with venison. Burger

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Speaker 1: can't I can't tell looking at him. Yeah, we don't

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Speaker 1: even need the sky and it looks really good. So

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Speaker 1: you triggered these up. Yeah, so we smoked them in

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Speaker 1: the question, I guess, Steve and for everybody here is

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Speaker 1: is it close enough? If they were to say you

422
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Speaker 1: could save the world. This is what they pause it.

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Speaker 1: This is what they're saying, you can possibly end animal agriculture.

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Speaker 1: Do less have less impact on our world by eating

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Speaker 1: this fac similar plant based thing. I'm not I don't

426
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Speaker 1: buy into that, but I'm saying that's what they're saying,

427
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: and that's the argument they're trying. I think what they're

428
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Speaker 1: trying to do is inch close enough to the experience

429
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Speaker 1: that they can then make the argument, well, it's close

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Speaker 1: enough that if you can save the world, you'll still

431
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Speaker 1: be happy. And that's what you gotta that's what you

432
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Speaker 1: have to answer. And that's why I wanted to do

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Speaker 1: with taste test because it's it's it's like, is it

434
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Speaker 1: close enough for you to make that choice? And that's

435
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Speaker 1: what they're asking of people. I think, well, I think

436
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Speaker 1: the question you're really asking is if we chose to

437
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Speaker 1: only eat this burger, we would save the world. I

438
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Speaker 1: want to do a role play Annie, you be I'll

439
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Speaker 1: be hyperbolic, but I'm me, and you're a person that

440
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Speaker 1: says to me, I'm me, and you're a person that

441
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Speaker 1: says to me, um, I loathe me as not the flavor,

442
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Speaker 1: by loathe the idea of eating another creature. But man,

443
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Speaker 1: do I miss having a good hamburger? Okay, what do

444
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Speaker 1: you suggest? Say that? To me? Oh? Man? I loathe

445
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: the idea of eating another creature, but man, I miss

446
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 1: burger's interesting? What would you suggest I do? I'd say,

447
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 1: you know, uh no, I'm role playing, so I don't

448
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Speaker 1: need to say I'd say, uh, you know. At one

449
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: time I was on Ben O'Brien's podcast and he served

450
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Speaker 1: me a beyond burger. I would highly recommend you try one.

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Speaker 1: If you miss that burger feeling, thank you perfectly, I'll

452
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Speaker 1: try it. Subscribe. Well, would be interesting is we've all

453
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Speaker 1: eaten meat. So if you take someone who's never eaten

454
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Speaker 1: meat period, I don't think that they wouldn't have any idea.

455
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: I think this sert like it's strangely, it's annoying to

456
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Speaker 1: me that it serves a purpose. But it serves a purpose,

457
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Speaker 1: you know. Let me put it this way. So a

458
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: hell of a lot better than a portobello burger. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is. That's a good ring did a good job well.

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Speaker 1: I think he used mastered on seasoning. So I mean,

461
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: like the flavor is not the issue I eat. I think,

462
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Speaker 1: I mean sure to chew right into the real this compelling.

463
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: It's it's really like an audio escape. This is yeah,

464
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: this is really like this is an audio experience, not

465
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: a podcast, you can really tell that we're having a

466
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Speaker 1: delicious But I think I just think it's the consistency.

467
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Speaker 1: And when I started watching videos these people eating lab

468
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Speaker 1: based meat, it's the same thing that like, it's not

469
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: the flavor is so much different. It's the feeling, the consistency,

470
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Speaker 1: the grain of it, the lack of fat, a lot

471
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Speaker 1: of different things like that. So like it's clear that

472
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Speaker 1: these people are inching closer to something that, uh it's

473
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Speaker 1: not the right word. Isn't the threat, but it certainly

474
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Speaker 1: can be a replacement to eating a burger. I mean,

475
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Speaker 1: that's simple. I think if you say, like you could

476
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Speaker 1: eat this and save the world, I mean I feel

477
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Speaker 1: like the messaging is probably a little bit more or

478
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Speaker 1: nuance than that. I mean, I think that these companies

479
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: are looking at the commercial meat industry and trying to

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Speaker 1: find alternatives that I don't know, I guess there are

481
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: some companies that are really trying to approach meat but

482
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Speaker 1: like to come up with some kind of like so

483
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: similarly of biting into a burger, while also kind of

484
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Speaker 1: considering the impact that that large scale commercial Uh so, listen,

485
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: this is what has this is what they say on

486
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Speaker 1: their website, he's coming back. There's a man coming in

487
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 1: with sausages. Wow, I forgot about aren't as tricky because

488
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Speaker 1: they got the coding. It's true, I haven't yet are

489
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Speaker 1: they visually confusing? But you know, I still can't tell

490
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Speaker 1: on the burn now that I'm looking at the Burnell,

491
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: it's the same situation. It's a similar situation. Yeah, the

492
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: burgers looking awful, lot of like the massages. Don't look

493
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: at him. You can tell. Well, Steve prepares to go

494
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: back in uh Beyond Meat says, we believe there's a

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Speaker 1: better way to feed the planet. Our mission should create

496
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Speaker 1: the future of protein, delicious plant based burgers, beef sausage crumbles,

497
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Speaker 1: and more. By shifting from animal to plant based meat,

498
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Speaker 1: we can address global issues human health, climate change, constraints

499
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: on natural resources, and animal welfare. They can't never get

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Speaker 1: away from the animal welfare part of this ship. But um,

501
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: that's their play. So that's that's a grandiose statement. That's

502
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: not we'll give it a shot. That's a hey, we're

503
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: gonna fix all your woes with this. And so that's

504
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,239
Speaker 1: why always say this is an ideology, not really just

505
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: like a thing to eat. So Stephen. You see if

506
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: we can trick you on number two, this might be

507
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: worse than the first one. Sassages rats. He's reaching, reaching

508
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Speaker 1: into the void. It's very similar, symbolic, very symbolic. He's

509
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: about Patty. It's gonna be hard. I'm gonna kind of

510
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: half look, half look, but not really. How is it prepared? Rick?

511
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: While he's a munched down there? You could use that

512
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Speaker 1: Mike care. Yeah, we kept to these pretty simple. It's

513
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: just an artisan bun with some mustard and a Brot Worst. Yes.

514
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: By the way, While Steve is chewing into the microphone,

515
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: Rick the Great Rick Mattnee's here. You go on the

516
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: metaor dot com, there's a bunch of really cool recipes.

517
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Speaker 1: Rick comes to the office every once in a while,

518
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Speaker 1: and every time he comes, I'm very happy. I'm blown

519
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Speaker 1: away by what he cooks. So dot com Rick Matney recipes.

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Speaker 1: Now East, I'm confusing. What are we compared what what

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Speaker 1: are we comparing it to? Because you say brots, you

522
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Speaker 1: don't mean like classically flavored brot worst? This what was

523
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: the on the package? We looked at it original brot? Right,

524
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: original brot? Yeah, that's an original brod Oh Okay, so

525
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: because you know a lot of people use Brott and

526
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: sausage like interchangeable, and so all right, that's you've beating

527
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: the first one. Now Rick is gonna give you the

528
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: second one. Okay. There's so much going on with a sausage,

529
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Speaker 1: the flavoring in different grinds, right that that's confusing to me.

530
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Speaker 1: But I've only had half. Okay, here's the other. Here

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Speaker 1: is a choice B sausage B. I'm looking at it.

532
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: You can't see it. He's taking it out of the bun,

533
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: going straight for for it now, chewing it into the home.

534
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Speaker 1: Daddy's going home. I'm done. Did he get it right? Yeah,

535
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: Daddy's feeling that, going right back home, settling in. Yeah. Man,

536
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Speaker 1: I knew it wasn't gonna be hard once I started

537
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Speaker 1: looking smelling it. Tell us, tell us, let me get

538
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: cleaned up. Because he said there was a lot going on. Um,

539
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: that's a closer call, is it? Because again with a sausage,

540
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Speaker 1: especially when I know that we're gonna be probably having homemades.

541
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Kylie, I don't like there's so many different

542
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: ways people grind it. Yeah, and season it right that

543
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: that Um, I could uh be at some whatever like,

544
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Speaker 1: you know, some thing for my kids school, and you know,

545
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: and you're kind of there, you're at a park and

546
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: someone's grilling and you're kind of half yelling at your

547
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Speaker 1: kid and have trying to chit chat with some guys,

548
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: and you I could see, like I could see getting

549
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: through the whole damn thing and never being like, wait

550
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: a minute, what he's like? People, what do you have?

551
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, some sausages here. Here's what struck me.

552
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: Here's what strikes me about this. And one of the

553
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: reason I want to do this is what struck me

554
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: about when I was thinking of at first. We do

555
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: that sometimes it's hunters to people. Don't win, you've done it?

556
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: What taking somebody? Have you done it? Taking somebody in,

557
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: have him, Hey, here have this burger and they say, oh,

558
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: that's a great burger and you say, no, ship, that's

559
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: a neo guy. Oh yeah all the time. Yeah, you

560
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: do that all the time. So people, the the evil

561
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: plant based community people, I could probably do that to

562
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: us on this without a comparison, just be like here

563
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: eat this, yeah, but then then but yeah, then the

564
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: minute you're done, you throw the bunt at him. But

565
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: then you snap into that you snap into that sausage. Sausage,

566
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: thank you? Just even like, yeah, the casing. But you

567
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: know again, man, I would have eating it at a thing.

568
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: If you know, if I was at my buddies, I

569
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: might be like, the hell is that? But like, are

570
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Speaker 1: just eating it and just thought it was That's what

571
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Something you bought it a grocery store somewhere.

572
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. All right, Phil, we're gonna make you

573
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Speaker 1: eat a sauce. Is this gonna break your little board

574
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: or you know? That's fine? God? That looks like a

575
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: dog turn? What about? So I'm looking at it? Have

576
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Speaker 1: some film? What are they casing these in? I have

577
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: no idea. Let's look. Uh, let's look what they do? Yeah,

578
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: not hog middle really even the casing, it doesn't look

579
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Speaker 1: like you know what I do. If I was these

580
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: guys a case in the ship they used to wrap

581
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: you know, seaweed. So this is the broad They have

582
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Speaker 1: a hot Italian that we didn't get. It's kosher, so

583
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: that's good. Uh. Once you're looking at and eating it,

584
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: then it's a whole different thing man, which in general

585
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: most people do like color wise, how would you describe that?

586
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: It's like yellowish looking like pale. Yeah again, God bless

587
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: them rather, you know, they said that our belief is

588
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: that the best way to get people to eat less

589
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: meat is by giving them what they love, in this case,

590
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: a juicy, delicious sausage without so many of the health, sustainability,

591
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: and animal alfair downsides to a traditional animal base sausage.

592
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: So this is a guilt free sausage made from products

593
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Speaker 1: that cultivate the earth and screw up the soil. I

594
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: want people know that I've I removed it from its

595
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: stripped it from its context. I took it out of

596
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Speaker 1: the bond. Yeah, you know, and just like I'm eating

597
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: it now, h I take it back. I'd rather have

598
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: their burger. Yeah, it's just a visual. The visual of

599
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: the burger is not nearly as bad as the visualist sausage. Uh,

600
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: it's bad. It looks it looks bad. I mean, I

601
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: wonder if part of the problem is like a thing

602
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: imitating something totally different, like you, I don't. I don't

603
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: really think you can fool anyone. If it is an

604
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: alternate product with an intention to try to accomplish X,

605
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: Y and z UM, then that makes sense to me.

606
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: But I think, yeah, I mean offering it as an alternate,

607
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: as a as a separate thing, rather than in lieu

608
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: of like they're trying triger difference. Who's that Columbani started

609
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: doing the opposite where they're making uh, they're making vegetables

610
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Speaker 1: out of meat. Were you talking about that earlier? Do

611
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: They're like, they're like, you know, they could carrot meat.

612
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: It's a guilt it's this carrot has a lot of guilt.

613
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: It's not guilt free at all. It's a weird one. Man.

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Speaker 1: I just think that I had never eat any of

615
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: this stuff. Uh. I actually ate an impossible burger at

616
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: Burger King one time, but I just felt like the original,

617
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: like the actual Burger King whopper tastes like shit anyway.

618
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: Like it's not quality meat anyway, it's not a comparison.

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Speaker 1: And always found it strange that so now I think

620
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: beyond meat is in dunkin Donuts. They were beyond meat sausage,

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Speaker 1: sandwich and dunkin Donuts, And it always it seems ironic

622
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: and a little bit funny to me that the first

623
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Speaker 1: place they want to get into the market is fast food.

624
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: But in their eyes, that's the best way to offset

625
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: animal agriculture. By rushing these products, putting them in a saucer,

626
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Speaker 1: sandwich and dunkin donuts where they sell five million of

627
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: them a week or whatever. And it makes sense. But

628
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: like on a nutritional taste flavor, in a situation like this,

629
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: they're doing themselves no favors, Like there's just nothing that

630
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: the com the comparison isn't really that. Yeah, it's like

631
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: it's an idea that's in its infancy. But I mean

632
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: in twenty years, man, in twenty years, it'll be it'll

633
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: be like, uh well, probably much more close to being perfected. Um,

634
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, And I've I've often laughed and looked at

635
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: like why is it that you Why do they want

636
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: to make like a bake? And why do they want

637
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: to make a hotdog? Why not just come up with

638
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: new rather than trying to back things into things like

639
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: why not be like what's the best thing that you

640
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: can make with the stuff? Like we used to go

641
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: to this vegan restaurant in Seattle, which I loved, and

642
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: when you go in there, it wasn't that they were

643
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: trying to make everything be like something else. It was

644
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: just like really cool chefs, uh, really cool chefs that

645
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: would make just things that were really good. Yeah, and

646
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: the like what's the best thing to do with the

647
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: produce that we have now? And they make things that

648
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: were good and you eat it and you'd be totally satisfied,

649
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: and it wasn't. They weren't like it's just like this

650
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: and it's just like it's just like they're like, it's

651
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: just really good, and I'm like, damn, that is good.

652
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: I went like it started for me was I went

653
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: to Berkeley with this animal rights activists, you know, as

654
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: we tend to do here meat eater, and they acted

655
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: like they were they're feeding me this like see see

656
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: tastes good. Huh. I'm like, yeah, but why are you

657
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: calling it this? Why can't you it's a steak and

658
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: cheese sandwich. Why can't you say it's a jackfruit and

659
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: cheese and be proud of that, like just label it

660
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: what it is. And then they started to present this

661
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: submersive argument like oh, hey, if if you're not really

662
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: sure what meat is and what it isn't you'll accept

663
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: different forms of it. I'm like, well, just as you said,

664
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: just make a new thing just really good. Yeah, Like

665
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: if you came up with a game, let's say you

666
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: didn't like football because the violence, and you came up

667
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: with a game where no one tackles anyone, no one

668
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: pushes anyone, no one bumps into anyone. Football once she's called,

669
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: you know, whizzball, run, run around. But it gives you

670
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: the feeling of football without anybody getting hurt like that.

671
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: That's flag football, that's not. Yeah, here's a question. Do

672
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: you think that there's like an idea around people eating

673
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: meat and what that means and so therefore, if it

674
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: was a plant bait, like it was a Shoutaki mushroom

675
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: and eggplant patty and that was the thing, do you

676
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: think that that would go to a different market of folks.

677
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: I'd be more inclined, I'd be more interested in eating it. Yeah,

678
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: I would be too. And I think one one thing

679
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: I would say on the other side of this coin

680
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: is that when people go to Burger King and they

681
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: see it as impossible burger its sparks in them more

682
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: consciousness about what they're eating. Yeah, And so I would

683
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 1: give them that. And so you've give them the credit

684
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: of saying like, now the people that are eating an

685
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: impossible are having these our processes of like what is

686
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: the alternative is there something I can do better. I

687
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: get that that's good. Um, And as Steve said, it's

688
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: in its infancy, so maybe you know ten years from

689
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: now it's a completely normal and healthy, productive thing for

690
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: all of us to do. Because I'm more conscious that

691
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: because I'm a hunter and so I know I want

692
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: to make sure that that that stuff is there. But

693
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: I also just know that the ingredients in these plant

694
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 1: based things aren't without impact, Like they gotta be grown,

695
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: they gotta be shipped, they've gotta be moved around to

696
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: get to where they are there. So that part seems like, Um,

697
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: that's where you get into the lab based idea, and

698
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: then you can really say, man, it was growing in

699
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: that peat just you did not leave there and you

700
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: can say maybe there's less impact there man, and it

701
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: gets freaky. Yeah. I'm looking forward to when you get

702
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: into that because I'd like to come back and do

703
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,479
Speaker 1: that because because that will be actually like that gets

704
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: where that gets there's a lot to unpack, So I

705
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: don't know, like when you get when you do the

706
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: lab thing we did the other day, and then we

707
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: have there's a piece on the mediator dot com that

708
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: I wrote a about it, and I started like not going, Yeah,

709
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 1: I started to unpack it, right, and it's a it's

710
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: when we talked about this last episode. It's something that

711
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 1: it's coming. It's like one of the most invested in technologies,

712
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: uh in Silicon Valley, Bill Gates, Richard Bronson, these people

713
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: are jumping into this and um, the way they they

714
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: can replicate these cells in the speed and which they

715
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: can do, that just means that they can grow, you know,

716
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: ten thousand pounds of meat from a single animal cell um.

717
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: And it just when you start thinking. So here's I

718
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: read a there's a think tank. There's a think tank

719
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: out of London called rethink X, and they do they're

720
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: big into studies of like what's the future. You know,

721
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: we're gonna build a tunnel under l A. We're gonna

722
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: what's the future that we're looking at? And they yeah,

723
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: why the Jetsons had that ship and that was twenty

724
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: years ago. Uh you know what I'm saying. And so

725
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: what they said was eventually they feel that there would

726
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: be molecular cookbooks and scientists food scientists could build food

727
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: like they like we currently build apps. And it's a

728
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: it's an idea called software as food for food as

729
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: software where they would take flavor profiles from different molecules,

730
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: put them in a peacher dish, add some accelerant. The

731
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: next thing you know, you have whatever. In this case,

732
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: they're not just growing meat on poultry and fish and

733
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: a bunch of different things. And this is and they're

734
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 1: saying by they said, by twenty thirty, this is gonna

735
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: be seven seventy of the beef production of this country

736
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: will be replaced by live ground meat. In the first chicken.

737
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: I'd like to see that model. So I was it

738
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: now rethink X it's a whole decade and there will

739
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: be They think that in a decade there will have

740
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: been a seventy percent reduction in domestic beef production. I

741
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: find that hard to believe. I mean, I don't like,

742
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't want I was just looking at like, uh,

743
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: purely analytically. Yeah, I have a really hard time picture

744
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: in that from the numbers they said twenty years, Like

745
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: twenty years is far enough away or I don't know,

746
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: they're they're the basis of their study was really but there,

747
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 1: I mean, really, there's a was the statement they said

748
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: seventy but they said by there was a chance that

749
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: gets completely replaced. So two and a half presidential cycles

750
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: from now seventy percent production reduction and domestic beef production.

751
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: We're fan we're fast movers. I mean when I read

752
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: that in my my thoughts was years I was like,

753
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: come on, man, no way, cow is not condos kind

754
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: of guy. So I do wonder what that would mean

755
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: for all that grazing land. We talked about that too,

756
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: like what's that gonna mean for the value of that

757
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: land if we remove that that value from it all

758
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: the if seventy of the land that is, who's that

759
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: is justified as undeveloped land because it's livestock grazing land?

760
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: What is all that ship sell it offs at the

761
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: cost your company closes just trophy homes. I guess maybe

762
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: something like that. All the people who make a lot

763
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: of money making this stuff will buy it all, but

764
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: the lab based me, I mean, it's really let me trap.

765
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: Probably not. Let's be honest, that guy that made all

766
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 1: that money making those uh burgers haven't trapping his place.

767
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah it's coming, man, it's a cool I think it's

768
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: just a it's a weird time to be alive. I

769
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: got a kid that's four days old. So I'm like,

770
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: what's this kid gonna be? Yeah, we gotta think same.

771
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: There was the atomic bomb that changed a couple of things.

772
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: I like it though. I'm glad that this. Everybody that

773
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: I talked to predicted this wouldn't be easy, and it was.

774
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: It wasn't even also nervous almost, I was nervous for

775
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: almost chickened off the last name Phil close this out,

776
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: bud uh Well from behind the cope, you don't put

777
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: me back behind the curtain. I would never like the

778
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: fresh air. I'm gonna take you hunt. That's what I'm

779
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: gonna do. That's true. That's the opposite of behind the curtain. Yeah, okay,

780
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: that's it. That's ausoge is pretty nice. It was nearly

781
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: it was. If you write a memoir, you can call

782
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: behind the curtain. What's his last name? Nobody knows? The

783
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: times of an engineer life and times the amager. All right, well,

784
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: now we're going to go We're gonna excuse everybody from

785
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: thanks for sticking in here. Now, the inside of our

786
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: podcast suit is not kind of like a meaty sweaty.

787
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: So the interview portion of the show is going to

788
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: have Rachel Carrey out of the United Kingdom, Phil the

789
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 1: United Kingdom. Yes, you've been there? I have? Yeah? Really yeah,

790
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: he seems sound is something. It's you knew you've been

791
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: out of here? Do they have do they have a

792
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: curtain over there too? Uh? She's an author environmentalists from

793
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: the UK. She has a book called Game and Gatherings.

794
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: It's a cookbook, but moreover, she's kind of in the

795
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 1: center of the controversy over there to band trophy imports.

796
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 1: We're going to get into that with her. We also

797
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: talked about women in the hunting industry and kind of

798
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: how she likes to see herself and remain authentic in

799
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: the world of social media and all the other media's

800
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: out There. Was a great interview. I wish we could

801
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: have been sitting in the same room, but it was

802
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: over the phone. But Rachel was a great representative for

803
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: not only her country, um, but everything else she stands for.

804
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: So enjoy Rachel, Carrie, Hey Rachel, how's it going? Hey Ben?

805
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me? Good? Thank you. Yeah. So

806
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: you're over Where are you? You're over the United Kingdom?

807
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: Where are you exactly? Are you based over there? So?

808
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: I am based in your which is in the North

809
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: of England, hence the funny accent. So if you guys

810
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: need at any time to bring in a chime later,

811
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: that's fine. Yeah. Well I'm from the East Coast. I

812
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: probably have a funny one to to to your ear

813
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: or your guys ear. But I've I've spent some time

814
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: over there. I love I love the culture, I love

815
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: the people. Um, but, as I was saying before we

816
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: hit records, man, I really just I've run into a

817
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: lot of people that listen to our show, a lot

818
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: of people that I know over in your neck of

819
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: the woods, and starting to to read about what you're

820
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 1: up to and what you do, and watching your social media,

821
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: it seems like there's a heightened Uh, there's no need

822
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: to miss words like just it's more heightened over there.

823
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: Vegan versus meat, either that the upcoming or becoming trophy

824
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: band band of trophy imports over there. It just seems

825
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: like there's a heightened conversation around this, a little more

826
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: vitriol than maybe there is in the United States. Although

827
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: we we certainly have our moments. Um, do you feel

828
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: that being over there? Yeah? I think so certainly. At

829
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: the moment, I feel like I have my work cut

830
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: kind of trying to counter a lot of what's I'm

831
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: going on in the media at the moment. We seem

832
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 1: to we seem to be in a time where there's

833
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: a lot of kind of TV documentaries, there's a hell

834
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: of a lot of marketing um going around at the

835
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: moment about veganism and trying to encourage people to to

836
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: turn vegan, and yeah, it seems to be coming from

837
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: all directions at the moment um. So we certainly have,

838
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: as hunters our work cut out to to kind of

839
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: try and try and counter some of that. So it's

840
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: something I've been invested in lately, doing bits of media

841
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: interviews and trying to trying to basically get some fact

842
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: to counter some of what the more extremist side of

843
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: the arguments of putting out there. Yeah, I've seen seen

844
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: some clubs, and I watch some things, and certainly was

845
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: looking at your book Game and Gatherings that you've you've

846
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: got out now, Um, how many recipes in that book?

847
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: They look pretty good. There is fifty seven, thank you? Yeah,

848
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: seven recipes. Yeah, So that's that's kind of where you sit.

849
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: And I've had I had a couple of folks and

850
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: friends that I know that live in Great Britain telling

851
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: me that you've had a great impact UM on the

852
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: conversation and lauding your your TV appearances, your book, UM,

853
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: the impact you've had on social and other places. And

854
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: maybe it's you know, everybody's asking why is that. You

855
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: know you're well spoken, you know you're a great chef. UM,

856
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: you're a woman, you have a strong voice. There's a

857
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: lot of things I think going to that. Have you

858
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: ever thought about why some folks think you're having this effect?

859
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: Thank you? First of all, maybe maybe I hadn't thought

860
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: about that. But the reason why I contact you, I

861
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: had multiple people UM bring you, bring your name up

862
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: in conversation and like said, two or three folks that

863
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: live there. That's saying that you're you're having such a

864
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: great impact. It's always really nice to get good feedback

865
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: and you know, kudos, but it's not why I really

866
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: the reason why I do what I do, UM, it

867
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: comes from just a really genuine love of hunting and

868
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: the natural world really, and I'm honestly such a big

869
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: believer that if we didn't kind of look after these

870
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: traditions and look after and try and bring new people

871
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: through into looking after and managing wildlife that you know,

872
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: one day we could we could lose it. You know,

873
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: we value in the natural world and use of that.

874
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: I'm a really big believer that, you know, it also

875
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: brings conservation of it. So to me, it's a it's

876
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: a labor of love. And I suppose being from Yorkshire,

877
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: I just have a big mouth, so we're very We're

878
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: very feisty. The girls from Yorkshire are quite feisty, so

879
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: I suppose, you know, I was always taught from a

880
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: very young age that you work hard and you really

881
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: fight for what you believe in. So that's that's all

882
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm doing. Really. Yeah, they can say guys like me

883
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: from the US coast, like the hero and voice and

884
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: were be feisty too. Maybe that's what I have doing

885
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: the same thing. But what do you how would you

886
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: describe some of the more fraught moments you've had in

887
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: this in this conversation. I know I've seen that there

888
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: have been some death threats and different things um in

889
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: many different arenas. For you, what do you think is

890
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: the hardest part of doing what you're doing speaking out

891
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: about eating meat and hunting and wild game. Honestly, probably

892
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: not the answer you'd expect that. For me, the hardest

893
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: part is the criticism from within hunting itself, from within

894
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: our own kind of community. Um, what I found over

895
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: the years to do the kind of media work that

896
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 1: I do, and to put yourself out there to defend

897
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: something which has become, unfortunately, especially in this country, as

898
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: controversial as hunting, it is tough. You you do leave

899
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: yourself open to I mean I have attacked on my

900
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 1: personal appearance. You know, some really awful things. I wouldn't

901
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: even like to eat them, if I'm honest with you.

902
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: But I over the years found it very easy to

903
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: delete and block. So that's the easy part. The hard

904
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 1: part is when I think you think you've achieved something

905
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: and someone from within the hunting community to kind of

906
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: pulls it down, you know, like a little bit of

907
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: inviting as in it it wasn't a good I'll give

908
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: you a perfect example. So yesterday we had at the minute,

909
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier, we have a hell of a

910
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: lot of celebrities, people in politics, people in the media,

911
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: and a lot of journalists at the minute. Um really

912
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: you know, putting misinformation out there about hunting and trying

913
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: to encourage people to support trophy hunting bands. Yesterday a

914
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: celebrity called Deborah Meaden, who, um, she does a TV

915
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: show called dragons Den, so she's really quite well known

916
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: over here. And she actually put a treat out there

917
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: and she said, um, not remembering the words world, but

918
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: she basically said, the trophy hunting argument is much more

919
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: complex than people may think, so an outright van is

920
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: probably not the best of things for wildlife. Now. I

921
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: posted this tweet and I said, wow, you know, finally

922
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: some senses being spoken. And then immediately after, you know,

923
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: people started commenting and and it kind of came from

924
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: the hunting and community and they're saying, oh, we don't

925
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: like Debra Meden. You know, anything she says is meaningless

926
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: basically based on her political beliefs. And I don't know

927
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: if you guys saw that. I did a documentary on

928
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: TLC with a with another British celebrity called Jody Marsh.

929
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: Now Jody so she used to do topless modeling. We

930
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: went through a week of really really hard work and

931
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: again that TV program got aired two years ago and

932
00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: Jodi went from modeling naked for Peter basically too, she

933
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: came hunting with me. I showed her my lifestyle. And

934
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: after that she she did a U term on her

935
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: views about hunting and hunters. So she has a huge

936
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: vegan following, and she went to her following and she

937
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: basically said, you know, I've been out there with my

938
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: own eyes and seen this, um, and I actually really

939
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: agree with what hunters do, and you know, I'm all

940
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: for it. And again for people from the hunting community

941
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: who perhaps didn't like her or didn't understand her way

942
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: of life attacked her. So that's been that's those are

943
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: the moments for me when I really kind of put

944
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: my head in my hands and feel like giving up,

945
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: you know, when it's no matter what you do just

946
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: doesn't seem good enough. Yeah, and yeah, we're on the

947
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: back foot. So any media that we can get right now, um,

948
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 1: and any kind of public figures who we can get

949
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: singing our tune for me is a win for hunting.

950
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: So I just think it should be less critical of

951
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: people's efforts, you know. Yeah, there's there's so many I

952
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: get plenty, plenty of negativities around this show here, and

953
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: it's all from the hunting community. UM, And that's okay.

954
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: I I generally think that there's just too many inputs. Nowadays,

955
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: there's just too many opinions. There's too many inputs. UM.

956
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: When you're as passionate and generally with what you do

957
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: and you feel, and if you know the experiences of

958
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: you had, you know how hunting has made your life

959
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: better and how it's pushed you to be a better

960
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,959
Speaker 1: person and care more about animals and care more about

961
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: the world that you live in. UM. That could be

962
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: an absolute that that drives you. But there's so many

963
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: damn inputs. There's so many people that have something to

964
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: say that it's tough, UM, And I wonder do you

965
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 1: feel you know, do you have you tried at any

966
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: point or thought it was necessary to look at kind

967
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: of the culture over here and compare and contrast, UM,

968
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: you know where we are. I just don't. I think

969
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: hunting is more supportive here than it is there. It

970
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: seems to me there's less vitriol and there's more talk

971
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: about conservation. It has its moments, it's not perfect. There's

972
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: many the same issues that you're dealing with, but it

973
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: just seems more intense over there, especially given that trophy

974
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: being Yeah, absolutely, I mean one of the big one

975
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: of the biggest things against us. I think is you

976
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: guys have public lands to hunt over, which is why

977
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: you are you know, you're incredibly lucky with the wildlife

978
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: models that you have so set up over there. They

979
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: work both ways. They work for the wildlife, they work

980
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: sustainable utilization by the people living and working and enjoying

981
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: the wild and enjoying the natural resources that you have. Um,

982
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: it's very much out there. Hunting is for everyone, I believe,

983
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's from old backgrounds or kind of working classes,

984
00:55:54,719 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: whereas in England our model is completely different. So the

985
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: land is privately owned for the most part, So you

986
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: cannot in America like you can do over there, just

987
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: you know, buy a tag and pain to wildlife conservation

988
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: and help with managing it. It's over here. I think

989
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: it's got a very kind of elitist element to it,

990
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: or so people think. I don't know if you know

991
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: how so we have very large country estates. Are our

992
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: lands kind of split into estates where they have a

993
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 1: very big country house. M Have you seen Guy Richie's

994
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: new film The Gentleman? Yes, okay, so you you saw

995
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: where the country estates they had to these huge houses

996
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: that cost absolutely fors to manage and so peasant shooting

997
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: and kind of shooting and beer parks used to very

998
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: much the only for kind of people, you know, of

999
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: the mannor bomb people who owned these houses and these

1000
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: big estates. So it's kind of seen as a bit

1001
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: of a closed club. I mean, my dad is a

1002
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: very big peasant shooter. Now he's a self made businessman.

1003
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: He built a business, you know, from things from the

1004
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: ground up. He's from quite a poor mining community. And

1005
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: he says, Rachel, when I was a lad, beyond the

1006
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: pheasant I ever saw was on the boundary estate and

1007
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: he said, it's because we were coaching them. We were

1008
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: basically stealing them. Um. But a lot of change since then.

1009
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: A lot of these big country houses are, you know,

1010
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: the open land up. It's a lot more accessible. There

1011
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: are more affordable ways to um to get into hunting

1012
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: and shooting over here. But it's still is perceived by

1013
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: many as being quite an upper class, elitist thing to do.

1014
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of the struggles that we

1015
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: face with hunting of the head age being a class

1016
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: wall basically. I've had, like said, I've had have listeners

1017
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: this year right in and there's one who's written in

1018
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of times. John Walks, he said exactly that.

1019
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: He went on. He sent me one of the more

1020
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: striking emails. I was getting ready for a show one time,

1021
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: reading a bunch of emails, and and he basically paireded

1022
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: what you just said in one of his lines. He

1023
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: just said, regardless of any honey issue you guys may

1024
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: have to face in the US A, please always remember

1025
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: how lucky you are in that you have a system

1026
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: that supports you. For the most part. In this solemn story,

1027
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: you can hunt our native deer in the UK if

1028
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: you're willing to pay. Of course, some places are more

1029
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: reasonable price wise, so it's still possible to fill a freezer.

1030
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: It's not all doom and gloom, but it's not what

1031
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: you have in America. UM. And it's it's a long email,

1032
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: but that's just one of the couple of paragraphs that

1033
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: struck me so. UM, you know, so profoundly like that.

1034
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: We we need to understand here are might As you said,

1035
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: our model of conservation supports what we do, supports us

1036
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 1: and supports wildlife. UM. So it's a great mix. And

1037
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, the the more error, the aristocratic model that

1038
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: you're describing, um, is what we're kind of afraid of

1039
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: here in many ways, the public land being a democracy,

1040
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: everybody pays into what everybody gets to use it. Um

1041
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: have you? Have you? You've done a lot of talking

1042
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: with vegans. I watched a couple of clips from from

1043
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: TV shows where you were debating or talking to vegans,

1044
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: and then again a couple of clips from that TLC

1045
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: show you mentioned with the vegan. Um, what's you're feeling

1046
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: about that movement? Where where that is? And how it

1047
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: is to sit down? I've done this, how it is

1048
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: to sit down and talk with somebody that's so entrenched

1049
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: in that ideology. I'm a big believer in showing people.

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00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: I think none of us could do what we do.

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00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: None of us could truly be hunters if we didn't

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00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: actually believe what we were doing, if we hadn't gone

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00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: out there and seen you know just the kind of

1054
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: the beauty of hunting, the how natural hunt is, you

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01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: know how much good it does for conservation. You cannot

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01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: sit at a desk on a sofa on the TV

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01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: program and or sit and talk to a journalist in

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01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: an office and you can't put that into words. You

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01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: have to show them. So I found the most effective

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Speaker 1: way of doing that, and the most effective turnoment was

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01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: for Jody marsh Show. So I what I often do

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01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: to to um to try and make those conversations effective.

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Speaker 1: I had, for example, a newspaper wanted to talk to

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Speaker 1: me about hunting in Africa recently, and I said, if

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01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: you're prepared to take for the flights, I will take

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01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: you and we can look at hunting and conservation in Africa,

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01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: but we cannot sit in England and you know, talk

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01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: about that the recent one that you saw on this

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01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: morning with the more militant vegan, those kind of conversations

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Speaker 1: where you know, I don't know if you saw that interview,

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01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: he was very angry. I did. I did. I was

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Speaker 1: able to to some vegans and emy rights activists that

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01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: were less angry. But when I saw that, I just

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01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: you were very calm and collected and try to deliver

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01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: your points. But it's such a sound bite battle. It

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01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: just seems it seemed kind of sad in the way

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01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: that he approached you, that guy was angry. He was,

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01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: and I feel like people like him use the animal

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01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: whits guys to kind of hide UM. I think if

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Speaker 1: he wasn't an animal rights activist, would be maybe a

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Speaker 1: football who the gun. You know, I don't like to

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01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: judge people, but he's passed. He was. I mean, you know,

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01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: people reform and I'm not saying he's the same person,

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01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: but he I feel like he just placed that anger

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Speaker 1: somewhere else. And I feel there's quite a few animal

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Speaker 1: rights activists kind of videos that I've seen in the UK,

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01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: and I do often wonder. I kind of look at them,

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01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: and I think you can kind of tell that these

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01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: people have never stepped foot foot in the countryside. So

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01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,919
Speaker 1: it always begs the question as to why they are

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01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: trying to stop legitimate shooting or hunting or wildlife management

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01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: taking place if they aren't really that invested in the

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01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,919
Speaker 1: countryside in the first place, because they don't spend time

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01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: in it. It's difficult to I mean with regards are

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01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: going back rambling on there, going back to Joey as

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01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: an example, you do meet very angry activists. I suppose

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01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: that's their cause. Anyway, It's not really much you can

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01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: do about that other than try and keep it classy

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01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: and hold your own And as I mentioned earlier, we

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01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: don't get much media coverage for hunting, especially not in

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01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: the UK, so you have to use each opportunity just

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01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: to kind of get your own sound bites out and

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01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: your own as much information as you can to counter

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Speaker 1: some of what they say. Why do you why do

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Speaker 1: you think the media, I mean, we find that here

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01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: as well. We've talked about the last podcast with our

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01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: last guest. But why do you think the media over

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01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: there um ignores these narratives or at least perhaps up

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01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: the other side, because it doesn't. It doesn't create Quite simply,

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01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't create clickbait, does it that they want? They

1111
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: want the sensationists. They want high emotions equals high profits

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01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: if something's really emotives. If you know, if you've compared

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01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: a headline of you know, local wildfowling group creates habitat

1114
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: and brings you near extinct duck back from the brink,

1115
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: not many people would click on that because in reality,

1116
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: so many people are removed from the countryside and land

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01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: management that not many people would be interested in that. However,

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01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, hot blonde hunter slaughters ducks with a picture

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01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: of you know, a young woman with a duck in

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01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: a hat, that people are going to click on that,

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01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: So you know, they're putting in my opinion, they're putting

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01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: sound conservation models at risk for clickbates. Basically, they want

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Speaker 1: these high emotional, sensational stories because that's what selves. One

1124
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: really worrying thing that is going on at the moment

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Speaker 1: in the media is some our current Prime Minister, Boris Johnson,

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01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: his girlfriend Carrie Simmons, is actually an animal rights activist.

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01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: She's anti hunting and she's very vocal about it. And

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Speaker 1: at the minute we are seeing quite a lot of

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Speaker 1: conversations in government which seems to stink quite a lot

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Speaker 1: of her own emotional opinions on wildlife management. So it's

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01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: a scary time and you've got to ask yourself who's

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01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: in control of the media. Um, And you know, if

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Speaker 1: you have people placed in government with such agendas, then

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Speaker 1: we don't stand the chance to get any sound, you know,

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01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: good informative information. And it's a shame. Yeah, yeah, And

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Speaker 1: I think that goes across across Europe. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of threads um from folks I

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01:04:55,920 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: know over there. Similar what do you take folks here

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01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: in the States that aren't aware of this trophy hunting

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01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: import band take them through. I don't know if we

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01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: have to cover from start to finish, but as well

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01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: as you can encapsulate what what's happening now and what's

1143
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: load of this. Basically, death Or have launched a consultation

1144
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: into looking at the potential ban of imports and exports

1145
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: excuse my dog, imports and expots um into the UK.

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01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: This would basically mean that our Scottish stred deer, which

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01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: quite a few times I mean Scotland's beautiful. We have

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01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: quite a few tourists from around the world who'd come

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01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: into hunt. They wouldn't be able to export their trophies, um,

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01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: not just in Scotland, UK wide, and we wouldn't be

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01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: able to import trophies. Now it hasn't been made clear

1152
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: just as yet if what species this includes or if

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01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: it's a total outright ban on all species. So we're

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01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: going through the consultation stage at the minute. Death Wreath,

1155
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: who is our Department for the Environment, has basically asked

1156
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 1: for people for people's opinions online. They've now extended that

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01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: for a month. The very scary part about that they

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01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: had a meeting in Westminster last week and invited to

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01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: that meeting were basically people against trophy hunting, but no

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Speaker 1: one from the other side. I think it's quite a

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01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: scary peek into where that one's going. So there's so

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Speaker 1: much science international used for the conservation of nature. How

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01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: u c N supports trophy hunting in many ways, there's

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01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: there's so many you know, my friend Shane Mahoney has

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01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: worked with them. We talked about this a lot. The community,

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Speaker 1: community based conservation is something that has worked in a

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01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: lot of places, not just Africa. And so that that

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01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: seat at the table isn't being given and I wonder how,

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Speaker 1: I wonder how in European you might be able to

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01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: change that as you can suing too talk or is

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01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: there are other texts you could take. Um, this is

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01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: a really bad week to have to to have this

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01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: conversation because it really has just been such a frustrating week.

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Speaker 1: Um the i u c N report. I I kind

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01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: of asked myself and what does the UK government just

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01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: like wasting public funds? Because as you say, you know,

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Speaker 1: the i c N is the largest environmental and conservation

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Speaker 1: group in the world. It's made up of all of

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01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: the conservation and environmental organizations. So you would think if

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01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: they know they spent all of this time and money

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01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: compiling this report with all the necessary experts, the science,

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01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: the data that they needed. Um they even have WWF

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01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: in their stating you know, hunting brought even black winers

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01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: back from the brink. So you would think that someone

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01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: in the UK kind of government would look at this

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01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: and say, well, there you go. We can't we can't

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01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: do a better job than that, really than that report.

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01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: They just don't seem to be reading it. And this

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01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: is the scariest part. We have people in such high

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01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: positions in government just not reading it. I had a

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01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: quick look on Carrie Simmons, Boris Johnson's girlfriend's Twitter earlier

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01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: and I mean she's tweeting these news articles from media

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01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 1: outlets I suppose would equate to being your version of CNN.

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01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: So just would not trust I think these guys say. Yet,

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01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: this is you know, someone who is in this position

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01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: in government, who is tweeting the sensationalist headlines, you know,

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01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: to her followers. And I've sat this week and thought

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Speaker 1: what can I do about this? Um? You know, I

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01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: I either sit and keep banging my head against foot wall,

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01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, what can we do about this? So we

1201
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: have a few things are past sleeves, you know, to

1202
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: try and kind of lobby to government, UM, but just

1203
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,879
Speaker 1: to keep plugging away. And I think the biggest battle

1204
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: here and where it can be won or lost is

1205
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: investment in the media. UM. And they're obviously invest in

1206
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,520
Speaker 1: a lot going back to be going back to veganism

1207
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 1: as well. In the same conversation today, a newspaper reported

1208
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: that Channel four, which is one of our big TV stations,

1209
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: is coming under investigation because they have aired i think

1210
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 1: for UM anti met taking programs documentaries this last few months.

1211
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: UM and they have just been whistled blown that they

1212
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: have previous to air in these TV documentaries. They have

1213
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: actually invested hugely into a vegan food manufacturers, so they've

1214
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: invested into a an alternative you know, these alternative meat burghers.

1215
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: So it's a battle of the media, I think. So

1216
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,719
Speaker 1: whatever we can get out in the media without sinking

1217
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: to the level and using propaganda and misinformation, that is

1218
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: why the key is that costs. That costs money. So

1219
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: it's investing into that in the first place. That's so exhausting.

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01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 1: I read that report from the i u C and

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01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: most of it you start looking at one of the

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01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 1: things that that struck me. And this has been the

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01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:27,799
Speaker 1: case for for decades decades since since conservancies were introduced

1224
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:32,480
Speaker 1: in Africa. Really you're looking at habitat loss and fragment, fragmentation,

1225
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: conflict with the local people, UM, like the depletion of

1226
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 1: prey basis and illegal poaching and all these things that

1227
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 1: are threatening wildlife. UM, real issues that are threatening around wildlife,

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01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: And i uc incomes out and says, listen, trophy hunting

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01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: is not a threat. It's not a key threat to

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01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: the survival of the rhino, elephant, the lion, all the

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01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,799
Speaker 1: species that were mentioned in that letter, UM just aren't.

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01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: They're not. They're saying this isn't in threatening And then

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01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: you turn around and read some of these articles you're

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01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: talking about where it's like, well, we have to save

1235
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: the rhino from hunters, and it's just it's it's insane.

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01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what any other way to describe it

1237
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 1: other than insane. It's scary, and there's been so much

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01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,560
Speaker 1: of it this week. I work closely with a wildlife biologist,

1239
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: Adam Hart, and we have the same conversations week in

1240
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: week out. We kind of this week it feels like

1241
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: it's been a competition to see who can find the

1242
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: most ridiculous, ridiculously outrageously from an ante and it really

1243
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: does feel like that at the moment. It is scary

1244
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: times for the uk UM And yeah, I mean I

1245
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: speak to guys in the you know, the n r

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01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 1: A has the Hunter's leadership for him over there, which

1247
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 1: I think is just such a fantastic scheme where they

1248
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: had people pay into obviously an arm that is set

1249
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 1: purely to to defend hunting, and we just don't seem

1250
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 1: to have that over here, you know, anything like it.

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01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you have myself, and we do have governing bodies,

1252
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: but we don't have anything with as much clouds as

1253
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: the n r A d. Yeah, scary times for all

1254
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: of us, really, when public opinion can sway so much. Yeah,

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01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: when it becomes politicized, like it seems as you're saying,

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01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: it seems to have become so intensely politicized. You know.

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01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: When you're over here, you know, we have right and left,

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Speaker 1: progressive and conservative, and and when you start to you know,

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01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: gun rights has become a very conservative thing, and environmentalism

1260
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: is a very progressive thing. When you start to label

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01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: each one of these groups with these ways of thinking,

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01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: in these ideologies and these lines of thought, it gets

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01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 1: dangerous because it becomes a political game who can who

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01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 1: can get elected by pandering to whatever side. And it

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01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: seems just from what you're saying that that it's really

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01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:56,480
Speaker 1: intensely connected to one type of thought, and these politicians

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01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: can capitalize on it because most people tend to tend

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01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: to lean towards the sensational and not the complex report

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01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: from an international governing body of conservation. It's crazy. It

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01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: feels like we've turned with social media. We we kind

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01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: of turned into you remember the kids books where you

1272
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: just turned the pages and its pictures and very little words.

1273
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: It's like everyone, everyone has lost the ability to read.

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01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 1: You know, I tweet you today and I said, you

1275
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: know again, I'm mentioning her again. That carries in and

1276
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: you know, she's she's she's kind of in my fights

1277
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: at the moment. Has been my biggest start. Aversar is

1278
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: your muse right now? It's getting your going? Yeah, yeah,

1279
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, do you know do you not read? What is?

1280
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 1: You know? What is wrong with you? But yeah, when

1281
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: we are playing with something as complex and and it's

1282
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 1: important as wildlife conservation, we should not be using that,

1283
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: you know, as a political poem to play to the

1284
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 1: emotions of people and winds out. Um it's and I

1285
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: see it being used by politicians and celebrities. You know,

1286
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: it's who can cause the most outrage and really, um,

1287
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 1: you know who can get the most retweets from such

1288
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: an outrageous posts these days it's such a shame as well,

1289
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,600
Speaker 1: it really is. Do you get more to like the

1290
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: core argument here and how you would try to and

1291
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 1: would shape it in the in the situation that you're in.

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01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's a consequentialist argument right ethically that says, well,

1293
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: collecting parts of an animal's body is no good. So

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01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,600
Speaker 1: even if it does good for animals, yeah, it consequentially

1295
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: is not It's not a good thing to go forward.

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01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: And and I will admit I've always said this on

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01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 1: this show that you know that it's not trophy hunting,

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01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: especially community based conservation. The way it's set up in

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01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: Africa is not the way um we set it up here,

1300
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: and it's not the most effective way to have conservation

1301
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: for wildlife, but it's the best way right now for

1302
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 1: Africa and there's no better way. Um. Tour is hum

1303
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 1: is too fickle. It just won't support financially what hunting

1304
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: has supported. So I guess a couple of questions. One,

1305
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 1: is there anyone over there actually coming up with a

1306
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: better idea to fund this conservation and to make sure um,

1307
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 1: this this wildlife is propagated. Is anybody coming back at

1308
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: you with like, hey, here's my idea? No I had,

1309
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: So I'll just keep it in the UK locally, um,

1310
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: where it's really quite simple. You know, we have six

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01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: deer species over here. UM. Most of those are actually

1312
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: invasive species, so they are non native. UM in the UK,

1313
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 1: we have zero natural predators for dear, UM, so no

1314
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 1: bears nobles anymore. I'm sure you'll know. UM. And so

1315
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: the two people who have recently gone gone up against

1316
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: Joey R. Cart Armstrong, carb Stan whatever we calused himself.

1317
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 1: I asked him the question off air. I said, you know,

1318
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 1: I explained to him what you know, they have no

1319
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: natural predators, you know, explained about the if the population

1320
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,600
Speaker 1: exploded and got out of control, it was actually detrimental

1321
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 1: to the deer, it was detrimental to other wildlife that

1322
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 1: shared that ecosystem. And I said, so, if you're a

1323
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 1: true animal of you know, what would you do with

1324
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: these deer if we didn't control the numbers and hunt them. Um.

1325
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: And he just looked at me this really big blank

1326
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: expression uh, and just kind of stared, really blanking, and

1327
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 1: I said, no, you know, you have to have an

1328
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: alternative solution, and he just kind of stuttered and said, UM, well,

1329
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about that yet, which again is really

1330
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: quite dangerous to think that these people are so into

1331
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: banning something that works for the environs and for the wildlife.

1332
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:50,759
Speaker 1: They're so hell bent on banning it, but they don't

1333
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 1: have a solution. And the same with I went on

1334
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: another daytime TV program to discuss there's a guy over

1335
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:03,560
Speaker 1: here who hans veganism recognized as a philosophical belief. I

1336
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen that. I haven't, but I'm

1337
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 1: not surprised. Yes, So he and very oddly, his employer

1338
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: was one of the biggest animal rights activists groups in

1339
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: the UK, so he won't a case to have his

1340
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: veganism recognized philosophical belief. So I discussed this on TV

1341
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: with him, and I asked him the same question and

1342
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 1: I said, you know, what would you do if hunters

1343
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: didn't manage to do? What would you have us do?

1344
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 1: And he said, well, I would translocate them, so he

1345
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: would His answer was to move the problem around the country. Yeah,

1346
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: just put them on a boat. Yeah, that's fine. I

1347
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,679
Speaker 1: talked to the Animal rights actives here and we're talking

1348
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: about he was really about bodily autonomy and the lack,

1349
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, in reducing suffering incentient beings. And then at

1350
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 1: the same time I asked him me, and what do

1351
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,759
Speaker 1: you do, um, you know, with bears that kill other bears,

1352
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 1: what do you do about predatory behavior in the natural world?

1353
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 1: And his his answer is basically eugenics, that we would

1354
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: capture them and reprogram them so they're nicer, And like

1355
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: he's he said it in him he had his own

1356
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 1: rhetoric built around at that point, but that's basically what

1357
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 1: he said. Um, it's similar to what you're saying. It

1358
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: just is it's these points aren't thought out. I wish

1359
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: they were, because I would love to have an intelligent

1360
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 1: discussion around this. I'm not saying I'm a percent right.

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01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: I'm sure you would probably say the same thing. It's

1362
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: just you can't really have a conversation with somebody that

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01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 1: hasn't thought it out very well. Yeah, exactly, I connect

1364
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: to me. Um, you know advising NASA on space trouble.

1365
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 1: You know, I have absolutely no idea about it. Why

1366
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: would I be then trying to influence government policy or

1367
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, trying to have a say over the scientists

1368
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 1: on this matter. It's it's insanity, um, and it's is

1369
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: It's scary. It's scary. It best for me. You know,

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01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 1: if I'm not gonna if I don't hunt, you know,

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01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: I'm still going to survive. We live in a modern world.

1372
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 1: I'm still going to survive. I'd probably be a very,

1373
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: very miserable person, but the fact is I would survive.

1374
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: But my biggest motivation with all of this is not,

1375
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: you know, just to preserve my right and my natural

1376
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 1: need and want to hunt and and to have access

1377
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 1: to good quality food. It's really, it really is for

1378
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 1: wildlife and on a global scale. And I wish that

1379
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:38,879
Speaker 1: was their motivation rather than their hatred or misunderstanding of hunters.

1380
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: I wish they would switch their motivation to be what's

1381
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 1: the best for wildlife and then we would all soon

1382
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 1: get along. I reckon hunting one of the best things. Yeah, yeah,

1383
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 1: it's weird that I guess. Here's a flat question for you,

1384
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: because I thought about this a lot. Um. Do you

1385
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 1: you if you were to a raise kind of the

1386
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: way vegans and animal its actors kind of treat us

1387
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 1: as hunters or look at us as hunters. Could you

1388
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: get along with them and like them and see their

1389
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 1: points of view? I mean, do you totally dismiss everything

1390
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 1: they say? No, I think we have quite a lot

1391
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 1: in common. Actually, Um, I used to be a vegetarian

1392
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: when I was younger, and the way I stopped being

1393
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: a vegetarian was basically my dad took me hunting, So

1394
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 1: I became a vegetarians. The advent of you know, these

1395
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 1: kind of behind the scenes of factory farms and animal

1396
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 1: white sactivism in the early night had really taken hold,

1397
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: and I'd go shopping with my mom and to be

1398
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,759
Speaker 1: someone you know, with a table stall in the town center.

1399
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: Show me these horrific images of pigs in horrible factory

1400
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: farming conditions. So I turned vegetarian. Didn't work out for

1401
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: me health winse. I became quite an EMI when I

1402
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 1: was little, and my dad actually took me hunting rabbits.

1403
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 1: And I think it says in the introduction of my book,

1404
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,679
Speaker 1: by the way, the squeaking in the background is my dog.

1405
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 1: You just say, I'm living who living the life? This

1406
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 1: is what I do. Yeah, So Dad took me hunting

1407
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 1: and it was that really that convinced me that you know,

1408
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 1: this is actually it doesn't have to be you can

1409
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 1: be a meeting to be ethical about it. So a

1410
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 1: lot of my conversation with vegans and vegetarians lately has

1411
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 1: been that and not all the same. You know, not

1412
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: every vegetarian or vegan is actually against hunting. And I

1413
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: think this is an important point to remember when we

1414
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 1: are communicating and you know, the dialogue that we're using

1415
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,719
Speaker 1: the rec middle ground and was common ground to be found.

1416
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: And I do think that that's one of the most

1417
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: important things to remember. There are people on the fence, Yeah,

1418
01:21:57,080 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: like the gentleman you ran into during that morning show interview. Um,

1419
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 1: there's you know, I've tried that same tact, and I

1420
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: believe in it. I believe that you can talk to

1421
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 1: somebody that you vehemently disagree with and find common ground.

1422
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: And unfortunately or unfortunately for all of us, UM, I

1423
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 1: have a lot in common with vegans, UM a lot

1424
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 1: more than UM, maybe even maybe even some hunters in

1425
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 1: the way that I think. But there's a hard line

1426
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 1: I take when it becomes an angry ideological hatred that

1427
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: that spills over under wherever, especially what you've what it

1428
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 1: seems like you've gone through on social media and and

1429
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, live on television things like that. I think

1430
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: it's um if it's a hard thing to get through.

1431
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 1: And I don't know when it'll end or if it'll

1432
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: just if we're just fighting the last battles here for

1433
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,639
Speaker 1: hunting and for for meat eating and for wild game.

1434
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: Who knows, UM, But I think I think your book

1435
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 1: certainly will do will do good. But what are you do?

1436
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 1: You what do you see for the future? If you

1437
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 1: look twenty years in the future for the UK, what

1438
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 1: do you see? But I think first of all agree

1439
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 1: with you each side. There are some big and who

1440
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 1: are not not vegans, anti hunters, disposis could call them,

1441
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: um who are There's no middle grounds of these people.

1442
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 1: It's their way or the highway. You've got to understand

1443
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 1: in life you're going to have that that you're going

1444
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 1: to have that that you just can't give up because

1445
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 1: there is middle ground and there are people on the fence.

1446
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 1: It's those people we need to focus on. UM twenty

1447
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 1: years ten years, five years, it's scary to think it

1448
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:31,560
Speaker 1: really is. I mean, we do have, we are fortunate

1449
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: to have fantastic, fantastically beautiful countryside in the UK and

1450
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 1: it is mainly looked after by people who found the land,

1451
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 1: who use the land for game shooting. And I just

1452
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: hope that it's still there in years to come, and

1453
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 1: I for one will be, you know, continuing my work

1454
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: to do my part to to fight that. It's scary

1455
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 1: times the trophy import export for me personally, to cut

1456
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: a long story short, in five to ten years time,

1457
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: I can see myself not being in the UK. But

1458
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 1: you're welcome here anytime. I thank you so much. I

1459
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 1: can honestly see that's where it comes from. If they

1460
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 1: get their own way, I can see a very barren,

1461
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 1: wildlife devoid UK if I'm honest to do where there

1462
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 1: is value that where where there is value in nature,

1463
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:36,719
Speaker 1: in wildlife, there is conservation. It just there's so much

1464
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 1: evidence to support that now, you know. Yeah, and look

1465
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 1: and comparatively loving the natural world and um, I'll use

1466
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 1: the word love for the Second Amendment and I right

1467
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: to bear arms. Those are two things that I've kind

1468
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 1: of built my life around and two things I care

1469
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 1: a lot about and two things that professionally and personally

1470
01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:00,640
Speaker 1: I carry with me. And um, you guys don't have

1471
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 1: the right to bear arms in the way that we do.

1472
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 1: And like I said, like I was telling you before,

1473
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: and I've had my friend Ian Harrison on this program.

1474
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: He moved to the United States because they took away

1475
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: his right to own firearms and defend himself and his family.

1476
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 1: As a member of the military, he had to deliver

1477
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: his firearms to a police station and turn them over

1478
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 1: after the Dunblane masker, And the next week he picked

1479
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 1: up and moved here and is now the editor of

1480
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 1: Recoil magazine, which is one of the more popular gun

1481
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: magazines in this country. So if that's not a stark

1482
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 1: example of what you may go through in the future,

1483
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:37,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what is. Yeah, I think, um, I

1484
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 1: think what you guys have about there Again, you are

1485
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:45,560
Speaker 1: so incredibly lucky. Um Our going ownership actually states in

1486
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:49,639
Speaker 1: our gun laws is a privilege and not a white um.

1487
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 1: So I think straight away on the back scoot anyway.

1488
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 1: Even even just going ownership in this UK s brand upon.

1489
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:59,759
Speaker 1: So you can imagine gun owners who go out hunting

1490
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 1: as the anti say, you know, fluffy bunnies and poor

1491
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 1: defenseless animals, innocent animals. We're just we're very much on

1492
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: the back foot. I don't want to lay the blame anywhere,

1493
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:15,440
Speaker 1: but I really really do feel that our governing organizations

1494
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 1: are shooting organizations should have done a lot of preventative

1495
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 1: work in the years running up to the times that

1496
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: we're in now. So, I mean, in two gallum and Bore,

1497
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 1: we saw the fox hunting band. I would hate for

1498
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: two thousand and twenty to be, you know, the trophy.

1499
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 1: We have a specialist group at the minute called Wild

1500
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,600
Speaker 1: Justice who are trying to band given peasant shooting in

1501
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 1: the UK in any way that they can. It's coming

1502
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 1: from all sides. Um. I just hope that we can

1503
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 1: ride out the storm and yeah, or ride the storm

1504
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: to America. Ride the storm was yeah. I mean I think, Um,

1505
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 1: it's an interesting time. It seems like I've caught yet.

1506
01:26:57,800 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 1: It seems like there's just way to have you are

1507
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 1: you and I can hear in your voice it's it's

1508
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 1: a tough thing. It's it's something that I have not

1509
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 1: faced here in regards to my hunting. We do fight

1510
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 1: for our public lands. UM. But in general, the hunting

1511
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 1: community is in America is crowded around our public land

1512
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 1: to making sure we continue to have access to them.

1513
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 1: And we talk a lot on the show about our

1514
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 1: North American model conservation, how great it is, UM. And

1515
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 1: it's just if compelling is not the pressing to me

1516
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,639
Speaker 1: to to hear about the situation that you're in. Yeah,

1517
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, I think we've just

1518
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 1: become such it so you know, not to go to

1519
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,440
Speaker 1: kind of deep into, you know, the problems with society.

1520
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 1: But we just as we want, seem to be the

1521
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 1: kind of more self involved nowadays in social media, and

1522
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 1: it's there's a lot of virtue signaling going on. And

1523
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think, UM, in my world, my job,

1524
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm an environmental impact assessor, so I am a chartered

1525
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: member of the Institute of Environmental Management and Assessment. Blah

1526
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 1: blah blah. But that's you're blah blah blah, yeah, blah

1527
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 1: blah blah. Lots of lots of letters. But basically my

1528
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:08,599
Speaker 1: my my job and my role is UM. It's all

1529
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 1: centered around understanding how human activities basically affect the environment.

1530
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: So for me personally, I can take that model and

1531
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:22,480
Speaker 1: my expertise and I can kind of think about hunting

1532
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 1: in different countries based around that and basically on the

1533
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 1: different models that I use. So for me personally, I

1534
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 1: think that's why I get so invested in Yeah, I

1535
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: see the bigger picture, the overall picture. I see how

1536
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, the ban on trophy hunting impatching to the

1537
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 1: UK might affect you know, Africa, you know, and it's yeah,

1538
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:46,679
Speaker 1: for me, that's why I suppose I get so passionate

1539
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 1: and personal about it. You know, it's meanful lot, it's

1540
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 1: you know, it would have a great impact. People think

1541
01:28:56,360 --> 01:29:00,719
Speaker 1: too locally rather than thinking globally. You know, Vegans they think,

1542
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 1: you know, they're doing great by not eating meat, but

1543
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 1: then what are they doing? You know, how far were

1544
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 1: their avocados traveling, what's the environmentally impacted the food that

1545
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 1: they eating. It's just it's so so complex that everybody

1546
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 1: has um, you know, an impact somewhere. And Yeah, folks

1547
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 1: that listen to this year regularly will know that I'm

1548
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 1: always talking about this idea of you know that wildlife management, ecosystems,

1549
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 1: how we consume These are very complex ideas, always shifting,

1550
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:34,639
Speaker 1: always moving, based on technology based on our own our

1551
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 1: own pliferation, and those that they're very hard to understand.

1552
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 1: People spend as you spend your entire life trying to

1553
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 1: understand them. Um. And some people feel like they can

1554
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 1: become an activist for an idea after meeting somebody on

1555
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 1: the street and watching a video or reading one or

1556
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 1: two articles, and then they become entrenched, and it's hard

1557
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 1: to get them out of it. Um And and that's

1558
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: just that's just sucks. It's it's hard to face someone

1559
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,639
Speaker 1: like that when you obviously what you've done in your

1560
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 1: work is commit to understanding all these complex things. But

1561
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to let you get out of here

1562
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 1: without learn a little bit more about you. Um. I

1563
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 1: would like to ask this question, and I think there's

1564
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 1: so many similar answers, but when do you remember, as

1565
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: as a child, when was the first time you really

1566
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 1: fell in love with the outdoors or when you when

1567
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 1: it first struck you that this is something you wanted

1568
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 1: to do. Oh, here comes my unconventional child cudget. Let's see,

1569
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 1: I want to learn all about it. So, um, not

1570
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 1: only am I a Yorkshire ago, I am the daughter

1571
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 1: of a Yorkshire scrap man. So it kind of qualifies

1572
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 1: me as being on the same in the same league

1573
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 1: as the sopranos. Um. So, my dad bought a started

1574
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 1: his business very humble, and many years ago bought a

1575
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 1: site which was set down in an old quarry, like

1576
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: a limestone quarry, and it was flanked by trees and bankings,

1577
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 1: and we actually lived in a part of cabin. Dad

1578
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 1: kind of he said, you know, our build a house

1579
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 1: eventually when he'd made his fortune, but we lived in

1580
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,719
Speaker 1: a part of cabin at the time. And this site

1581
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:15,799
Speaker 1: was just surrounded by agricultural lamps, so we had constant

1582
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 1: streams of rabbits and rats and all kinds of things.

1583
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 1: So as children, we spent a lot of our time

1584
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 1: just outside, no susan socks, you know, no help and

1585
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 1: safety back then, just running wild on the yard. Really,

1586
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 1: we were really lucky just to be quite fair as kids.

1587
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 1: Um and I just remember playing the trees and in

1588
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 1: the mud and with the animals, and we had terriers

1589
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 1: that we would use to control the rats on the yards,

1590
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 1: so we were always wetting. So I suppose in a way,

1591
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 1: from a very young age, hunting has just always been

1592
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:55,679
Speaker 1: a part of a part of who I am. It's

1593
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 1: shifted over the years, and it's different forms, you know,

1594
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:03,599
Speaker 1: going driven peasant to saying I still love ratting with

1595
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 1: my terriers. You can't ratting, yeah, but there's looks. So yeah,

1596
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 1: just I suppose all of my childhood memories in some

1597
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 1: way have hunting in them somewhere along the lines. And

1598
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 1: one thing I do remember as a kid is the

1599
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 1: very primal thing of that our yard was like an

1600
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 1: old trading post, so you had all manner of you know,

1601
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 1: you'd have farmers coming and wanting a bit of scrap

1602
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 1: metal to fix the tractor, so they'd bring Dad, you know,

1603
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 1: sack of potatoes and a few pheasants, you know. So

1604
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 1: food was also kind of very much involved in um

1605
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:44,640
Speaker 1: in what we did as well. It was you know,

1606
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 1: you had we had an Indian guy who would bring

1607
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 1: his wife's absolutely amazing home cooked Indian food, and so

1608
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 1: I suppose from a very early age I was just

1609
01:32:55,160 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 1: yeah in them both. But Dad, yeah, it's I always

1610
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 1: had sperrits for the kid as well. So so that

1611
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 1: was Dad's way, I think because I was absolutely animal mad,

1612
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 1: animal obsessed, had loads of pets, and I think Dad

1613
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 1: come in to me basically to go hunting because it

1614
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:17,879
Speaker 1: meant that I've got eight new pets spirits. Well, that's anyway,

1615
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:20,720
Speaker 1: and your mother yourself, right, I am, Yes, I have

1616
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: a fourteen year old son. Um, Well that's a that's

1617
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:26,559
Speaker 1: an interesting age I just had about our second son.

1618
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 1: I've got a three year old in a five day old. Um,

1619
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 1: I'll congratulate, thank you, thank you. I've not slept very

1620
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 1: well in very a few weeks. So when you think

1621
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 1: about raising your son, um, where you do and it

1622
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 1: kind of trying to help him to deal with always

1623
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 1: talked about and also maybe give him some threads of

1624
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 1: what you grew up with. Um, how do you kind

1625
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 1: of put that together in a parenting philosophy that you

1626
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 1: can tell folks? Well, I think it's important never to

1627
01:33:56,439 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 1: kind of push your own views because you know, overall individuals, Um,

1628
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:05,760
Speaker 1: I think, without blowing my own trumpet, what I think,

1629
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:09,759
Speaker 1: how I've kind of packaged what I do on social

1630
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 1: media in the media with my book. I think I

1631
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 1: packaged it well to sit in a modern space. I mean,

1632
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 1: it's one of the reasons I wrote my book because

1633
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:23,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to put something out there that reflected, you

1634
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: know that not all shooters are kind of old men

1635
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 1: in dustry jackets, and I do get quite a lot

1636
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 1: of young people who follow me, and some of my

1637
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 1: son's friends follow me, so he he actually thinks it's

1638
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 1: really cool and he'll say, oh, you know, my friends

1639
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 1: have been watching you shoot, and it all like to

1640
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:43,720
Speaker 1: have a guy at shooting. And so I suppose it's

1641
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 1: just keeping it relevant and being being modern about it really,

1642
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 1: you know, keeping it relevant to what kids are doing

1643
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:52,679
Speaker 1: these days, and taking them out there, as I said,

1644
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 1: with aunties, and letting them experience that and learn for themselves,

1645
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, from a very young age. I let Brandon

1646
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 1: just come out and I didn't tell him to do

1647
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:04,240
Speaker 1: any of it, but he was, you know, taking the pheasants,

1648
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:07,560
Speaker 1: and it's just a very I think kids are inquisitive

1649
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: about the natural world anywhere. I think we naturally have

1650
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:12,599
Speaker 1: that within us. So I think if you exposed them

1651
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 1: to it, they excuse the pub They take to it

1652
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 1: like a ductor water. So yeah, yeah, now we've we've

1653
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 1: talked about that a lot here and I think that too,

1654
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 1: And I think as long as you give them the

1655
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 1: opportunity to do it, you know, and I always think

1656
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 1: of just telling my son that be yourself, you know,

1657
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 1: just be yourself. And if that's not if you don't

1658
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 1: share all my passions and you don't share exactly what

1659
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 1: I want to do, that's okay. As long as you're

1660
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 1: being yourself and you're and you've got your joy and

1661
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 1: you're holding onto it, that's all. That's that's totally fine

1662
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 1: with me. Um. So I think exactly. I think that's

1663
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 1: a great way to look at it. Now. You have

1664
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:49,679
Speaker 1: game gathering to the cookbook and like I said, fifty

1665
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:51,800
Speaker 1: fifty seven dishes in there, and a lot of it

1666
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 1: is um as a more European like feel the fork

1667
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 1: flavor to it. As I was looking through some of it, Um,

1668
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 1: how's that been impacted your career and how long did

1669
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 1: your work on them? Well? I started writing the book

1670
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 1: I think two years ago. I always make people laughing

1671
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 1: and say I can't actually cook, But for me it

1672
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 1: was something. I mean, I built a profile, um and

1673
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:22,600
Speaker 1: had a lot to say, and I thought, what's the best? Um.

1674
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 1: You know, people gain followers on Instagram, and I'm not

1675
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 1: knocking any of those people, but they kind of used

1676
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:33,920
Speaker 1: that following to negotiate deals to get free outdoor gear

1677
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 1: or you know, sponsorship deals, and I thought to myself,

1678
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:41,680
Speaker 1: rather than using my profile to do about what can

1679
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:44,720
Speaker 1: I do to tell a story about what I do

1680
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 1: in a universal language? And I think they're saying about food.

1681
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: You know, the way to people's hearts is through food. Um.

1682
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 1: It works. And the book. I don't know if you've

1683
01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 1: read the introduction, the way that I wrote the book,

1684
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:03,599
Speaker 1: and the way we put the book together. It's not

1685
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 1: aimed at just being for hunters. I've tried to make

1686
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 1: it a place for non hunters to kind of start

1687
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 1: their journey and understand going um, like I say, in

1688
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 1: a universal language of food. Um. Very oddly, it's taken

1689
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 1: my career obviously down a different path. This year. I've

1690
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:26,480
Speaker 1: been invited to lots of food festivals and food demos

1691
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 1: and lots of ugly places, to the point where I've

1692
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 1: actually sat down and thought, I've become this foodie person

1693
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 1: and I've not really done much shooting. So I don't

1694
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:43,719
Speaker 1: want to just be the one thing. But I just thought.

1695
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:47,879
Speaker 1: I thought I had a responsibility to put my legacy

1696
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 1: out there, and I thought what better way than food

1697
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 1: and than with a cookbook. UM. So I hope that

1698
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:56,720
Speaker 1: that's sort of thing that will be around for many

1699
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 1: years and we will be passed, you know, down to

1700
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 1: people's children, and they can I wrote the recipes in

1701
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 1: a way where the pointe simple that they can be tweaked.

1702
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:08,720
Speaker 1: You know, people can add things and change things. So

1703
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 1: hopefully it was just a nice legacy to leave other

1704
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:16,599
Speaker 1: than you know, using my following. I like it. I

1705
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 1: like it something I always we bring up here, and

1706
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 1: you just kind of touched on it. I think it's

1707
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,800
Speaker 1: means something to end with. You know, you're not just

1708
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 1: one thing, right, And a lot of times on social

1709
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:31,720
Speaker 1: media or in the in the public forum, people want

1710
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:33,679
Speaker 1: us to be just one thing. They want to label

1711
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 1: you a certain way, especially for you, um being like

1712
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 1: you said, being a female in this industry, it seems

1713
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 1: like the hate is more intense, the love maybe is

1714
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 1: more intense. Um your position in the community, UM just

1715
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 1: being different than the traditional hunter, as you said earlier

1716
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:54,640
Speaker 1: on like all that becomes this real complex soup of

1717
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 1: who you are to people, and I'm sure that's hard

1718
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:58,600
Speaker 1: to manage. How do you how do you try to

1719
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 1: do that or how do you think about that? Because

1720
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:05,640
Speaker 1: you can be stereotyped really easily. It is it's a

1721
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:11,440
Speaker 1: really hard thing to manage. When I started started shooting,

1722
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 1: I it was before kind of Instagram and social media

1723
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 1: had really taken off, and I just spent literally hours

1724
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 1: and hours and hours under towers, shoots and plays on

1725
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 1: the range. I was just absolutely obsessed with shooting target shooting.

1726
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 1: And then I got into the game shooting. But I

1727
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time honing my skills, so becoming

1728
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:39,600
Speaker 1: the best shot that you know, I could possibly be.

1729
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 1: I shot competitively for a while, and I am me,

1730
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go in the field and you know,

1731
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 1: not be myself. I'm still a female. I still enjoy

1732
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 1: dressing well, I still enjoy wearing makeup, but that doesn't

1733
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 1: detract at all from my ability as a shooter or

1734
01:39:56,360 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 1: a hunter on my dedication on knowledge or experience in

1735
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:05,000
Speaker 1: the outdoors. What I did find in the UK um

1736
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:07,960
Speaker 1: there weren't many women in the field, so it wasn't

1737
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 1: usual to see you a petite blonde, you know, shooting.

1738
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 1: And I did get met with a few founds and

1739
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:18,759
Speaker 1: a bit of this and that on social media comments,

1740
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 1: and I found that most of these comments were the

1741
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 1: very kind of old guards um, you know, old English

1742
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:30,800
Speaker 1: side by side shooters, you know, the very you know

1743
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 1: that I haven't quite got into the facts that women

1744
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:37,439
Speaker 1: can vote now, and yeah, I can have jobs and stuff.

1745
01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:40,559
Speaker 1: So one thing I did to counsel act that I

1746
01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 1: took myself to the British Side by Side Championships and

1747
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 1: I came eighth overall out of a hundred and sixty

1748
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:53,640
Speaker 1: odd of these aforementioned shooters. So just show them that

1749
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:57,639
Speaker 1: you can shoot. You know, I don't think I never

1750
01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:02,400
Speaker 1: expect special treatment in shooting, and hunting is one of

1751
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:05,599
Speaker 1: the few things that men and women can do equally. Um,

1752
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 1: you know, there is no physical limitations, so I don't

1753
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:13,320
Speaker 1: ever expect to be tread differently in the outdoors. And

1754
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 1: I suppose, going back to what I said earlier about

1755
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,600
Speaker 1: the books, I think I feel like female hunters or

1756
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:22,720
Speaker 1: hunters just for stock, because you know there are men

1757
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:25,839
Speaker 1: out there doing as well. Get a bad rapp lately

1758
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 1: with kind of using using that demographic to sell products

1759
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:36,679
Speaker 1: without doing the time in the outdoors kind of learning

1760
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 1: and learning how to shoot first, So that can be disappointing.

1761
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:45,519
Speaker 1: And I think, you know the instance, someone sees a

1762
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:50,640
Speaker 1: pretty blonde with the gun, they instantly assume that you know,

1763
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 1: she can't actually shoot, she's just posing. That can be disappointing,

1764
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 1: but you just have to stay through to yourself, have

1765
01:41:58,280 --> 01:42:03,240
Speaker 1: integrity and I try and you know, educate people to

1766
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 1: get out there and learn what you're doing, and you

1767
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:08,800
Speaker 1: be respectful of game. Don't do it all for the

1768
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 1: social media kudof and the likes and all of that.

1769
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:15,240
Speaker 1: Life would be so much better without social media. In

1770
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:18,800
Speaker 1: some terms, that's so much worse than others. So it's

1771
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 1: very true. You take the bad and the good. Yeah,

1772
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:22,800
Speaker 1: it's very true. I have been listen. I listen to

1773
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:25,280
Speaker 1: a lot of podcasts myself and read a lot and

1774
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 1: and um and all walks you know, and there this

1775
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:31,439
Speaker 1: is a big conversation with a lot of people, especially

1776
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:35,599
Speaker 1: people that have have a celebrity and have attention on them. Um.

1777
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 1: I hear it all the time in these podcasts. People

1778
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:39,760
Speaker 1: are thinking about this and like I said, there's so

1779
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 1: many inputs. You get so much inputs for so many people,

1780
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:45,160
Speaker 1: and those people don't necessarily care about you. They don't

1781
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:48,000
Speaker 1: necessarily have your best interest in mind. And that's a

1782
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:51,719
Speaker 1: tough thing. Um always. But I really appreciate those words.

1783
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 1: I think here in the states, we've struggled with the

1784
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:59,160
Speaker 1: huntress mentality across the board. UM, I think you know

1785
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:01,640
Speaker 1: you're being at the will be able to see what

1786
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:05,840
Speaker 1: you're doing and in your career, but also how you've

1787
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:09,880
Speaker 1: spoken here. I think can can help some young women

1788
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:12,719
Speaker 1: who are don't want to fall into the hunter's trap,

1789
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:16,200
Speaker 1: but feel like maybe the industry is pushing them that way. UM,

1790
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, can fight against that and try to be

1791
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 1: authentic and grow and not want that fame right away. UM.

1792
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:25,320
Speaker 1: I think that's great advice. I do think the industry

1793
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 1: is a big part to blame. If I wantest to you,

1794
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 1: then I think if any brands you know would be

1795
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 1: listening to this, and I think more conversations need to

1796
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:38,160
Speaker 1: be had surrounding this. I mean, it took me a

1797
01:43:38,240 --> 01:43:42,800
Speaker 1: good twelve years, um, and I got approached by I

1798
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:48,320
Speaker 1: think six major shotgun manufacturers over those years, and you know,

1799
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:50,920
Speaker 1: for me to be an ambassador, to be sponsible with

1800
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:52,639
Speaker 1: their guns, and they're going to make me a really

1801
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:54,920
Speaker 1: nice pair of guns, and you know, all of these

1802
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 1: really really you know, wonderful offers, but my integrity said, well,

1803
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:03,400
Speaker 1: you know, I don't feel like a shop for long

1804
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:06,040
Speaker 1: enough and deserve this. You know, there are probably females

1805
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:10,480
Speaker 1: out there who are much more rounded, better, more experienced

1806
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:12,519
Speaker 1: shooters out there. And I don't want to have a

1807
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 1: sponsorship based on the way that I look. I'd rather

1808
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:18,720
Speaker 1: someone respect me for my ability and you know, being

1809
01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 1: able to shoot in my experience and knowledge. And it

1810
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:24,439
Speaker 1: took me twelve years and I bought my own gun.

1811
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:28,760
Speaker 1: And I see girls now who have been shooting or

1812
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:32,280
Speaker 1: even six months, and you know they get sponsored instantly,

1813
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:35,160
Speaker 1: and you can't blame them. You know, if someone knocked

1814
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 1: on your door and said, hey, I want to give

1815
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:39,720
Speaker 1: you something free, I'm going to cost you a lot

1816
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 1: of money. Yeah, of course you are. But I think

1817
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 1: there's a danger in this, and that danger is if

1818
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:49,479
Speaker 1: it's clothing, fine, I don't have a problem with it.

1819
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:51,720
Speaker 1: I look. You know, I would be the first to

1820
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 1: admit that I opened Instagram, see a beautiful woman wearing

1821
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 1: a dress and buy it because I think I'm going

1822
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:00,879
Speaker 1: to look equal ease beautiful. It's a great admission. Yeah.

1823
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:04,439
Speaker 1: But with things like shotguns that are such technical, you

1824
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:08,639
Speaker 1: know that they are technical, they require knowledge, they require experience. Um,

1825
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 1: I think there has to be a conversation in the

1826
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:15,519
Speaker 1: industry by these brands, because for people coming in, I

1827
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:17,760
Speaker 1: mean myself and a lot of other people work hard

1828
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:20,840
Speaker 1: to try and bring new blood into hunting. If they

1829
01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:23,920
Speaker 1: follow some of these accounts and see that they are sponsored,

1830
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 1: it kind of gives them a badge of um credibility

1831
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 1: almost Oh well, they must know what we're talking about,

1832
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:35,240
Speaker 1: boret bonds of them, you know, UM. And I think

1833
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:38,960
Speaker 1: it's dangerous because if that person is new and inexperienced

1834
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 1: and they put information out there that isn't correct, you know,

1835
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:46,080
Speaker 1: that brand has then given them credibility to So it's

1836
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:49,880
Speaker 1: definitely a conversation to be had in the industry. I

1837
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:52,519
Speaker 1: think that's where that's where the change needs to come.

1838
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:56,559
Speaker 1: People are tiring, tiring of it. I think so too.

1839
01:45:56,600 --> 01:45:58,920
Speaker 1: I think there's I think it's it's cyclical. It'll come

1840
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:01,120
Speaker 1: back a little bit. I mean, I grew up with

1841
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, American hunting heroes that were writers and that

1842
01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:07,519
Speaker 1: we're on TV and that that seemed to have been

1843
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:10,600
Speaker 1: vetted and then we're you know, getting up there and

1844
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:12,200
Speaker 1: hears a lot of them because they've been doing it

1845
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 1: forever and it's now it's so hard and there's nobody

1846
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:18,439
Speaker 1: out there. Um, it's not like sports. There's nobody out

1847
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:21,760
Speaker 1: there following your every move and um saying whether you're

1848
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:24,720
Speaker 1: doing good or bad. So it's it's pretty easy to

1849
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:27,960
Speaker 1: um gather following based on the way you look or

1850
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:31,639
Speaker 1: what you say. Uh, and forget about the other parts,

1851
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:35,400
Speaker 1: which the shooting and hunting craft, which and and really

1852
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:38,080
Speaker 1: the environmental part of it as well, and understand the

1853
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:41,680
Speaker 1: natural world, um, environmental knowledge and all those things. So

1854
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about in the last and last

1855
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:46,519
Speaker 1: episode environmental like you being something that's important for all

1856
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:49,519
Speaker 1: of us to understand and how we learn about everything

1857
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:52,840
Speaker 1: around us. So I really do think hopefully, um, we

1858
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 1: talked about it here all the time. I mean, I

1859
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:57,640
Speaker 1: think our demographics, my demographs are this show is like

1860
01:46:59,320 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 1: guys and eight sent females. I don't want that to

1861
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:03,600
Speaker 1: be that way, but it is. It is what it is.

1862
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:05,280
Speaker 1: So hopefully that eight percent it is here and what

1863
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:08,880
Speaker 1: you're saying, and can you know I can move forward

1864
01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:11,880
Speaker 1: in a way that that's um, that's helpful, I think.

1865
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:13,920
Speaker 1: So I think you know that all of our focus

1866
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:16,960
Speaker 1: should be on education and encouraging, you know, making sure

1867
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,599
Speaker 1: that our traditions and hunting and the environment are looked

1868
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:22,640
Speaker 1: after for generations to come. But I think, you know,

1869
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:27,240
Speaker 1: new conversations need to be had and people need to Um.

1870
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:29,599
Speaker 1: It's very telling of the world. You know, everyone wants

1871
01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:31,759
Speaker 1: to hang out at the finish line without actually running

1872
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:33,960
Speaker 1: the race. These days, we live in such a fast

1873
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:36,160
Speaker 1: paced world. So I just think we all need to

1874
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:39,599
Speaker 1: slow down and go back to Yeah. Yeah, there's nothing

1875
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:41,840
Speaker 1: better to slow down than go hunt, go in nature,

1876
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:44,640
Speaker 1: go test yourself to shoot a clay, as you have

1877
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:47,760
Speaker 1: done over many years. Well, Rachel, thanks, thanks so much

1878
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:51,080
Speaker 1: for joining us. Keep doing what you're doing. You're on Instagram,

1879
01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:54,440
Speaker 1: Rachel Carrey hunting and the book is Game and Gatherings

1880
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:58,120
Speaker 1: and um, like I said, nobody, uh, no publicists called

1881
01:47:58,120 --> 01:48:00,200
Speaker 1: me on this one. I've just been following you, been

1882
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Speaker 1: seeing what you're doing, and I've been hearing about this

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01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 1: trophy band and hearing from our listeners about what's going

1884
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:07,400
Speaker 1: on in the UK, and I wanted to give that

1885
01:48:07,479 --> 01:48:09,599
Speaker 1: some maritime and definitely give you some maritime because it's

1886
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 1: a great conversation. So thank you so much, Thank you

1887
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 1: so much for having me. And if Carrie Simmons is

1888
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 1: listening to this, you really need to learn how to

1889
01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:20,800
Speaker 1: read krs like Carry Simmons is your mus right now

1890
01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:23,360
Speaker 1: to get up in the morning, check that, check that

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01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:26,760
Speaker 1: Twitter account, check chet account, and go to battle coming

1892
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:32,680
Speaker 1: for Carrie versus Carry. Thank you for having me. If

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01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:34,360
Speaker 1: you ever get her in a public form, you let

1894
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:37,599
Speaker 1: me know. I'll be watching. Yeah. Now, you guys keep

1895
01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:39,840
Speaker 1: up the great work as well. You know it's it's

1896
01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:42,360
Speaker 1: all the joint effort what we all do. So just

1897
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:45,599
Speaker 1: keep supporting one another. We will, all right, Rachel, Thanks,

1898
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:56,479
Speaker 1: thank you, Ben, see you. That's it. That is all

1899
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Speaker 1: episode ninety nine in the books. Thanks to Rachel. Carrie

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Speaker 1: calling in from all the way over Tottenham. I think

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01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:05,960
Speaker 1: that's how you say that. That's my favorite, um or

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01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:10,360
Speaker 1: my brother's favorite football club. You Tottenham. You revealed yet

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01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:15,640
Speaker 1: another layer of the come on you Spurs. Four thousand

1904
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:18,920
Speaker 1: UK people will get that. Yeah, all four thousand UK

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01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 1: listeners are going to get that. But that's what that's

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Speaker 1: a higher number of that thought um And so thanks

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Speaker 1: thanks to Rachel, Thanks to Stephen, Kylie, Karen and uh

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01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 1: Phil Taylor last name Taylor? That's right, what's your middle name? Michael,

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01:49:34,479 --> 01:49:37,680
Speaker 1: Charles Charles perfect? So I'm not wow thank you so

1910
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:39,880
Speaker 1: much after all this, Phil phill the engineer to keep

1911
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:42,280
Speaker 1: him in a cage talk. Thank you for calling me

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01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:47,639
Speaker 1: by my name, my Christian name. I care about you. Okay, thanks,

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Speaker 1: stay with me, don't leave me here in this room,

1914
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Speaker 1: small tiny room. All right, Well you'll bring any more

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01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:59,559
Speaker 1: fake meets in here, all over the table. I will

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01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:02,960
Speaker 1: not it all over to table. Phil was super nervous

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01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:05,120
Speaker 1: before we recorded this that we would ruin the podcast

1918
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Speaker 1: studio forever, and well, I don't know that we did that.

1919
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:10,080
Speaker 1: But there was a lot of like condiments in places

1920
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Speaker 1: they shouldn't have been. For sure. Everybody's everybody's shirt that

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01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:16,760
Speaker 1: they were wearing had little dribbles of grease on it

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Speaker 1: from the blindfolded meat eating. It's fine, O not recommended.

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01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:25,040
Speaker 1: Don't wear a blindfold when you're eating a hamburg um.

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Speaker 1: But it was great. It's all fun. We're gonna keep

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Speaker 1: covering that, you know, before we go on this one.

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Speaker 1: This is I think a shorter episode, so I feel

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01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:34,040
Speaker 1: like we could ramble on a bit at the end here. Um,

1928
01:50:34,040 --> 01:50:36,000
Speaker 1: I wonder how many people are still listening. They probably

1929
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:38,559
Speaker 1: go ahead and hit hit stop at this point, but

1930
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Speaker 1: we're working on you know I was working on with

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01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:46,080
Speaker 1: Krin the producer and Filled the engineer. Uh, kind of

1932
01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:48,120
Speaker 1: what we're going to try to explore this year on

1933
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Speaker 1: the Hunting Collective. It's like the best year ever. So

1934
01:50:50,640 --> 01:50:52,640
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? You're gonna go to New

1935
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Speaker 1: Zealand for one, That's one. I had a lot of

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01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:57,560
Speaker 1: other ideas. Now Phil doesn't even know about this. This

1937
01:50:57,640 --> 01:50:58,920
Speaker 1: is the only thing I wrote in a word doc

1938
01:50:58,960 --> 01:51:01,680
Speaker 1: and I didn't show it to anybody, but number one,

1939
01:51:01,680 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 1: we're gonna take Phil Hunt. Phil is gonna come to

1940
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:05,479
Speaker 1: Texas and Turkey out with me. There has no choice

1941
01:51:05,479 --> 01:51:08,280
Speaker 1: at this point he's doing and now we've announced it

1942
01:51:08,479 --> 01:51:11,040
Speaker 1: to everyone, so it has to you know. I was

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01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:15,040
Speaker 1: also thinking of and I do you know what you know? Oprah?

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01:51:15,080 --> 01:51:19,280
Speaker 1: I believe so yes, oh yes, Oprah and Steadman and Gail. Yeah,

1945
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Speaker 1: the next president family, Oh, the next president United States?

1946
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Speaker 1: Maybe the next eight years. She's probablyn't win. Um. She

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Speaker 1: has the book club. Yes, it's probably the most famous

1948
01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:33,400
Speaker 1: book club. Yeah. I was looking at looking at that.

1949
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Speaker 1: You know, I'd like to read books, and I thought,

1950
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:37,600
Speaker 1: why not create my own book club? What do you

1951
01:51:37,600 --> 01:51:40,920
Speaker 1: think about that? We had a lot of people right

1952
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:43,640
Speaker 1: in there, like, Hey, every damn guest you have on

1953
01:51:44,240 --> 01:51:47,320
Speaker 1: has a book. I can't keep up with that. I mean,

1954
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:51,160
Speaker 1: you've you've dropped so many names of books on this podcast.

1955
01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:53,839
Speaker 1: It's a big book podcast, Like it's already a large

1956
01:51:54,439 --> 01:51:57,160
Speaker 1: book club. But it's just not official yet. It's not official.

1957
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Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're gonna announce maybe in the next episode.

1958
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:02,920
Speaker 1: I'll commit to it. Next episode, we're gonna give details

1959
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Speaker 1: of THC book Club. It's gonna it's gonna be good

1960
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:06,880
Speaker 1: for you, trust me. But you just have to read,

1961
01:52:07,439 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 1: which assuming you would want to do um if and

1962
01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:13,080
Speaker 1: if you're a reader, you could be a winner, and

1963
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:16,559
Speaker 1: the TC book Club you might get a car. I

1964
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:21,080
Speaker 1: don't know that al right, whatever now I'm just rambling,

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01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:23,360
Speaker 1: but came up with that idea. I like it. THC

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Speaker 1: book Club. Looking, we're looking for that an episode one hundred,

1967
01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:31,600
Speaker 1: wede it we made it. What do you have to

1968
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:34,439
Speaker 1: say for yourself? In the years of BP, we never

1969
01:52:34,439 --> 01:52:36,000
Speaker 1: thought we would get this far, but well, I just

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01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:37,519
Speaker 1: want to say that you wouldn't have gotten the one

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Speaker 1: hundred without me. I think that's obvious. That's that's clear,

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01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:43,719
Speaker 1: clearly obvious, all right, well, we had a great episode

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Speaker 1: this time. We'll see it for episode one hundred. Episode

1974
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:48,680
Speaker 1: one hundred, we're gonna give a lot of stuff away.

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01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:52,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna celebrate you, the listener. We're gonna we're announced

1976
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:55,559
Speaker 1: some really cool stuff, contests, other things you're gonna give away.

1977
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:58,800
Speaker 1: It's not just no Zealand around here. Tune in next

1978
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Speaker 1: week we'll see bye bye. The Hunting Collective with Ben

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Speaker 1: O'Brien is a part of the Meat Eater podcast network.

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Speaker 1: It is produced by Kringe Schneider and engineered by Phil Taylor.

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Speaker 1: You can find it on iTunes, Stitcher, Spotify, the meat

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Speaker 1: eater dot Com, or anywhere podcasts are downloadable Wherever you listen,

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