Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We all about
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Speaker 1: Matt bar On last week to talk about the prim
Speaker 1: episodes for fifteen and four sixteen, But we still have
Speaker 1: so many thoughts and honestly questions, and we need to
Speaker 1: break down season four, episode sixteen even further. So let's continue.
Speaker 1: You call it madness, but I call it love. Air date,
Speaker 1: May second, two thousand and seven. Obviously, we spent all
Speaker 1: of last episodes setting this one up. Um, this one
Speaker 1: is actual prom which I would love to dig into
Speaker 1: our real prom experiences before we go. Yeah, like, like,
Speaker 1: what are your core prom memories? Oh man, okay, I
Speaker 1: have this, I have this memory. Um, I went to prom.
Speaker 1: I went to Senior Problem with this boy Kyle, and
Speaker 1: he was a sweet like South African surfer boy and
Speaker 1: hot okay, And I wanted to go with my best
Speaker 1: friend who I was in love with, but he asked
Speaker 1: his ex girlfriend, who was not even in the school anymore.
Speaker 1: And I was so upset that I was like, well
Speaker 1: that's a very clear message. Fine. Yeah, so so uh
Speaker 1: Kyl and I went together, and um, I have this moment.
Speaker 1: I remember sitting at the banquet table and like leaning over,
Speaker 1: like I pretended I was going to kiss him, but
Speaker 1: then I was just like I think I like did
Speaker 1: like a like blue in his face or something. It
Speaker 1: was just such a weird I don't know why in
Speaker 1: the world I did that. There was I think I
Speaker 1: was just experiment with my like playfulness and emotions and
Speaker 1: what does what do all these things feel like? And
Speaker 1: this poor guy like thought he was going to get
Speaker 1: a kiss and then ended up getting like a blow
Speaker 1: in the face. A blow. It's an airproof, an airproof.
Speaker 1: It haunts me. You know those stupid things that you
Speaker 1: do in life that are totally meaningless that everyone else
Speaker 1: has forgotten about, but they haunt you. Yeah, that's one
Speaker 1: of them. I always feel bad about that. Kyle on
Speaker 1: senior prom. No, that's fair. My prom experience haunts me too.
Speaker 1: Like I went to I went to Prom junior and
Speaker 1: senior year, but I also went as a freshman, and
Speaker 1: my senior year I went with my best guy friend
Speaker 1: and I had the best time ever. Thank god, because
Speaker 1: when I went as a freshman, I was one of
Speaker 1: the only freshmen there and I went with the captain
Speaker 1: of the football team, and this was like the biggest
Speaker 1: deal ever. He was. I mean, I was so in
Speaker 1: love with him, and he was that guy that was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: we're not going to go to a fancy restaurant because
Speaker 1: we don't really care about Prom. We're gonna go to
Speaker 1: a seafood buffet, right. He shows up late to pick
Speaker 1: me up. He shows up late, he has a black
Speaker 1: eye because he played basketball that morning. So he's Brooke
Speaker 1: Davis at that point. And we have the seafood buffet
Speaker 1: and he gets food poisoning, So then he's Haley James
Speaker 1: Scott at Prom because he's like we're in the lobby
Speaker 1: of the hotel where he is laid out on a
Speaker 1: couch with his head in my lap because he's been vomiting,
Speaker 1: and the principle comes over and it's like, hey, are
Speaker 1: you gonna be able to get him home? And I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm fourteen, sir, I can't drive, Like there
Speaker 1: was nothing I could do. So he finally starts feeling better.
Speaker 1: We go to an after party. He's still just like
Speaker 1: laid up on a couch the whole time, and then
Speaker 1: he brings me home at the end of the night
Speaker 1: and I don't kiss him because he has been vomiting
Speaker 1: all evening and he dumped me because he told all
Speaker 1: his friends. He's like, they were like, kiss her, Did
Speaker 1: you kiss her? And he's like no, she just like
Speaker 1: closed the door. She like hugged me and said good
Speaker 1: night and left, like you think you guys, that night
Speaker 1: has haunted me for decade decad about it. There's no regrets,
Speaker 1: right listen joy watching Haley like just sit at the
Speaker 1: table while everyone else's dancing. Gave me such PTSD. I
Speaker 1: was like, no, I've been there. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's funny because there's the nostalgia in this episode of
Speaker 1: like senior prom. Senior Prom it's such a big deal
Speaker 1: because my school was so small, like there were fifty
Speaker 1: five girls in my class. Yeah, you went to prom
Speaker 1: every year you've been through senior year because otherwise there
Speaker 1: weren't enough kids. Oh you know, there were under two
Speaker 1: hundred kids with dates who even went to prom, and
Speaker 1: so people were so many people in my school would
Speaker 1: say I'm gonna go this year, I'm not gonna go.
Speaker 1: It just wasn't really a big deal. But even prom,
Speaker 1: because it's an all girls school, did they have like
Speaker 1: I mean your own or you boys? Yeah, we did
Speaker 1: our own. We did our own and you brought your
Speaker 1: date and it was it was fun and sweet. And
Speaker 1: you know, I up until I was a senior, I
Speaker 1: had been dating my like high school and essentially childhood
Speaker 1: camp sweetheart. So we went to prom every year together,
Speaker 1: all my school dances, all his school dances. Spencer's just
Speaker 1: the best person. Oh my god, that's so cute. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: just the best person. And then you know, we had
Speaker 1: that moment around I don't know, sixteen seventeen, thinking like
Speaker 1: we're kids, like we've never known or dated anyone else.
Speaker 1: This is insane. And so by my senior year, halfway
Speaker 1: through my senior year, I started dating this sweet, beautiful
Speaker 1: boy who was totally like a different kind of person. Again,
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out who you are. My senior
Speaker 1: year in high school was the spitting image of Paul Walker,
Speaker 1: like a total jock, the opposite of like the you
Speaker 1: know guy super into music and camping. Like they couldn't
Speaker 1: have been more different. And I was just like kind
Speaker 1: of along for the ride, figuring out like who am I?
Speaker 1: What's my vibe? And then I think about college and
Speaker 1: like my college sweetheart was was like a computer graphics designer,
Speaker 1: Like nobody could be more different, But senior prom felt,
Speaker 1: I think, like the standout to me because it was
Speaker 1: the first time in my you know, middle school in
Speaker 1: high school life that I was in a new relationship
Speaker 1: and that really that felt like a really big deal.
Speaker 1: It wasn't comfortable. It was like what's going to happen?
Speaker 1: So now there was this mystery still there. Where are
Speaker 1: we going? I've never been to a dance at your school.
Speaker 1: I've been going to dance as at Spencer's school since
Speaker 1: like I was ten. I love the sea. That made
Speaker 1: it feel really fun and sweet. Lots of mystery in
Speaker 1: this show, guys we um, we had the full range
Speaker 1: of experience at tree Hill's senior prom, good times, bad
Speaker 1: times were they were like two totally separate TV shows
Speaker 1: happening in this episode drastically. There was the horror film
Speaker 1: and then like the feel good Nathan Haley storyline, Nathan
Speaker 1: Haley and Mouth and Rachel are in like they're in
Speaker 1: a John Hughes movie, and the rest of us are
Speaker 1: in the Texas Chainsaw massacre. Well, and even Lucas and
Speaker 1: Glenda are part of the John Hughes movie like they're cute.
Speaker 1: And then there's Team Terror. So I feel like I
Speaker 1: feel like Dan was the only link we had between
Speaker 1: psychotic and reality, so it was that was helpful to
Speaker 1: me because I was always very unsettled when Dan was
Speaker 1: on camera because in the last episode, I was not
Speaker 1: buying the whole um. It's just I just felt so unsettled,
Speaker 1: like Nathan and Dan having like a banter about oh
Speaker 1: the videotape and blah blah blah. But so anyway, I
Speaker 1: always felt very unsettled when Paul was on camera in
Speaker 1: this episode, and that helped me get over. But it's
Speaker 1: a testament to Tom Wright's abilities as a director to
Speaker 1: make those transitions work, because they did. The interesting thing
Speaker 1: that you point out about Paul is that he has
Speaker 1: been Dan Scott has been the best version of himself
Speaker 1: for so many episodes in a row now that it
Speaker 1: almost feels like maybe he's learned something, and Nathan essentially
Speaker 1: is the mouthpiece for the audience saying to Lucas, look,
Speaker 1: Dan is different. I don't know what else to say
Speaker 1: about it, but he's different. Yeah, and when you see
Speaker 1: Dan with Whitey, you realize, Nope, still in there. That's
Speaker 1: a little Yeah, let's start at the beginning. Let's start
Speaker 1: at the beginning, because we have so much we want
Speaker 1: to cover that isn't with our fabulous guest today. Um,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like cute stuff that doesn't involve basement.
Speaker 1: If we want to make sure we had all of that, Um,
Speaker 1: Whitey to your point, like Whitey, Whitey's face when Karen
Speaker 1: and Dan walk in together is so like okay, hey cool,
Speaker 1: and he waits till right, Yeah, what the hell are
Speaker 1: you doing? That's it. It's like I've already watched you
Speaker 1: ruin this girl's life, Like, please, don't do it again.
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be concerned with the kids tonight, like,
Speaker 1: don't make me worried about the grown ups at the party.
Speaker 1: And I really wrestle with Karen. I watch her and
Speaker 1: I'm like, how I mean I don't know. I guess
Speaker 1: we all do it in different ways. We all have
Speaker 1: things that we want, so we just prioritize that desire
Speaker 1: and get into ourselves into stupid situations because we can't
Speaker 1: see past who knows about such certain things. And I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just looking at her dancing with Dan
Speaker 1: and like what, Yeah, I think there's really something to
Speaker 1: it though, the fact that he is showing up for
Speaker 1: her consistently, and in the beginning she rebuffed him and
Speaker 1: he has come back and come back and come back
Speaker 1: and come back, and much like Nathan, she sees something
Speaker 1: in him that is familiar. Yeah, it is human instinct.
Speaker 1: You know. We talk a lot about this, that you're
Speaker 1: supposed to let people make mistakes and find themselves, and
Speaker 1: even the worst, the worst things a person could do,
Speaker 1: you want them to heal. You want them to get better,
Speaker 1: You want them to be rehabbed. You know, whether it's
Speaker 1: debb and literal alcoholism or emotional unemotional disease. You hope
Speaker 1: that people can get past the bad parts. And so
Speaker 1: it's really tricky to know where the line is. Can
Speaker 1: you allow someone like Dan to change or should you
Speaker 1: keep him out of your life forever and that conundrum
Speaker 1: of how to know you know. You hear people talk
Speaker 1: about it with marriage, for example, and someone will get
Speaker 1: out of a bad marriage and say, well, everyone always
Speaker 1: said marriage was work, so I figured this was just
Speaker 1: the work. And then and then other people will say, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's work, but it shouldn't be that much work, right,
Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, but what's the work line? How
Speaker 1: do you know? And I say this as a person
Speaker 1: who's in a great relationship, who's been in bad to
Speaker 1: like abusive relationships, it's very easy to go, well, but
Speaker 1: isn't this the work? So I think about that for Karen,
Speaker 1: and I wonder if for her the boundary it's not
Speaker 1: like it's a line you can see. It's something you
Speaker 1: have to kind of feel out and determine. And every
Speaker 1: way that you've been hurt and every you know, version
Speaker 1: of whatever you've suffered that's made you parentified or enable
Speaker 1: to communicate, like whatever all the things are, it affects
Speaker 1: where you see the line. And I love the humanity
Speaker 1: that Moira brings to Karen as she's witnessing Dan and
Speaker 1: as she is literally being given the opportunity to get
Speaker 1: a do over of her worst hurt. I really sympathize
Speaker 1: with her wanting a new ending, even if it's temporary.
Speaker 1: She wants a new ending. Appreciate the character consistency too,
Speaker 1: that Karen is someone who and it goes through to
Speaker 1: Lucas too, that she just wants to see the best
Speaker 1: in people, you know, And I think that's something you
Speaker 1: learn when life kicks you're asked, especially when you're young,
Speaker 1: you kind of have to pick. Okay, am I gonna
Speaker 1: be the kind of person who just hold onto things?
Speaker 1: And that's like, I see people treat me bad, and
Speaker 1: so from now on, that's where I'm going to live
Speaker 1: in that emotional space. Or am I gonna not let
Speaker 1: the bad things to other people to do define me?
Speaker 1: And I'm going to continue to allow myself to trust
Speaker 1: and be open. And I think that that's something that
Speaker 1: Karen decided. And then you see how Lucas constantly tries
Speaker 1: to see the best in people, and Lucas's best friend
Speaker 1: being Haley, who also has that quality. I think there's
Speaker 1: a consistency there that makes sense. So I like that,
Speaker 1: you know, it kind of runs through the family line.
Speaker 1: I wish that women as like mothers, had been prioritized
Speaker 1: a little bit, and Karen's story had more flesh to it,
Speaker 1: because it's hard for me to understand that Karen, Karen,
Speaker 1: who's so cool, who owns this business in town, does
Speaker 1: not have any family and does not have any friends
Speaker 1: that she can bounce this damn relationship off of. Like
Speaker 1: her buddy was dead, his ex wife, and so there's
Speaker 1: no one for her to bounce this information off of
Speaker 1: other than her son, who it's his dad, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: and there's a complicated thing happening there. She needs her
Speaker 1: core group of girlfriends to be like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Herd pass Because when you're by yourself, it becomes really
Speaker 1: easy to rationalize things. But when you have to stay
Speaker 1: aloud to other people, that's when you are like, I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't make this make sense. Can you help me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And yeah, Karen should have like a strong network of friends.
Speaker 1: She is a likable, successful woman in this town. Well,
Speaker 1: and it's interesting that isolation when you think about relationships
Speaker 1: you've been in that weren't good. When I think about
Speaker 1: relationships I've been in there weren't good. It was the
Speaker 1: isolation allowed them to continue. Oh yeah, because when you
Speaker 1: don't have a sounding board. The only person you have
Speaker 1: to bounce your reality off of is the person who
Speaker 1: wants you to stay in that reality. And it adds
Speaker 1: a layer when you think about it that way, to
Speaker 1: this whole dynamic of Karen and Dan, because I do
Speaker 1: believe there's a part of Dan that loves Karen, and
Speaker 1: I believe there's a part of Dan that wants he
Speaker 1: wants to win. It's a It's that classic narcissist needs
Speaker 1: a supply thing. And I wonder if in the sort
Speaker 1: of subconscious of him he identifies her now because she's alone.
Speaker 1: It's like she's the She's the deer that's been separated
Speaker 1: from the pack. She's easy to grab, and I wonder
Speaker 1: if that's why it's in her a loneness that he
Speaker 1: is showing up in ways he never has before. Sure,
Speaker 1: dudes have hero complexes, and Dan is the king of that.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that Nathan doesn't try to be a hero
Speaker 1: in this whole situation. I mean, the apology tour that
Speaker 1: he went on was lovely. Apology tour was great. Nathan
Speaker 1: screwed up in the last episode. He goes on this
Speaker 1: apology tour, and then in this episode, rather than trying
Speaker 1: to be the hero. He takes the moment with Haley
Speaker 1: to be like, let's just be kids. Like, what if
Speaker 1: I don't have to be the hero? What if we
Speaker 1: could just admit we're big idiots and our car broke
Speaker 1: down and all we want to do is be little
Speaker 1: dorky kids. Yeah, that felt honest, and that felt kind
Speaker 1: of outside of the trope that a lot of our
Speaker 1: male characters get into of like I'm gonna save you.
Speaker 1: It's yes, No, just admit you're a dork. That's so
Speaker 1: much cuter. Admit you don't have the answers, Let your
Speaker 1: mom come pick you up. In an episode where you
Speaker 1: just wish anybody had a parent, you know, Peyton Brook,
Speaker 1: Rachel Mount, nobody has parents. It's so nice to see
Speaker 1: deb come and pick these kids up and try to
Speaker 1: do right by them and make fun of herself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, would have driven on the sidewalk more
Speaker 1: if it had been a couple of months ago. I
Speaker 1: love that we also have a lot of Lucas Glenda interactions.
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm so into this relationship. I love
Speaker 1: these two together, and I really wish that we had
Speaker 1: had the ability to keep Glenda on the show. You know,
Speaker 1: Amber is so amazing, and it's you know, it's tough
Speaker 1: for the for the friends at home, being in Wilmington,
Speaker 1: being so physically far from la and even the fact
Speaker 1: that it's just so hard to get there. It takes
Speaker 1: all day, it's two flights. It can be really difficult
Speaker 1: to keep people around because they got to go home,
Speaker 1: they got an audition for other stuff. And I really
Speaker 1: wish that the studio had had seen what we see,
Speaker 1: or that, you know, our bosses had seen what we see,
Speaker 1: and that they had given her the regular job that
Speaker 1: she deserved, because she, I think is as additive to
Speaker 1: our show as mouth. Yes, and like they finally picked
Speaker 1: it up with Lee Norris and they went, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we can't lose him. They got smart, but they didn't.
Speaker 1: They didn't get smart with everybody. And god, I just
Speaker 1: love watching her, and I love who we get to
Speaker 1: see Lucas b with Glenda, because we are told in
Speaker 1: the first couple seasons Lucas is the good guy. Lucas
Speaker 1: is the good guy, but he's not necessarily acting like
Speaker 1: a good guy, you know, and we had been critical
Speaker 1: of that in his relationship with Glenda. We get to see,
Speaker 1: like Lucas Scott is a good guy. He's open and
Speaker 1: he's vulnerable with people, and he's inclusive and he's thoughtful
Speaker 1: when she's dealing with her mother, you know, like I
Speaker 1: like that. She lets him show off that side of
Speaker 1: him self that the fan base obviously fell in love with.
Speaker 1: And it's not always the romantic relationship that makes you
Speaker 1: your best self. Well that's it because in romantic relationships
Speaker 1: he tries to be a hero and he always goes
Speaker 1: and tries to rescue the person who's in pain, which
Speaker 1: usually is not the person he's dating. The whole time
Speaker 1: he's dating Brook, he goes and tries to help Peyton,
Speaker 1: and now he's dating Peyton, so he goes to see
Speaker 1: Brooke first, and Peyton's mad about it, like because she
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing, because she's like, you did this
Speaker 1: with me when you were with her. Yea, yea, I
Speaker 1: know this act like cut it out, You're you're supposed
Speaker 1: to grow up. And with Glinda, because his romantic interests
Speaker 1: are taken up elsewhere, he really is himself and he
Speaker 1: gets to ask questions and he gets to admit that
Speaker 1: he needs help with some things, and the way she
Speaker 1: holds space for him when she offers to be his
Speaker 1: sounding board and offers to walk the school with him
Speaker 1: and help him find his story again. It's so generous
Speaker 1: and the two of them together have such a great chemistry.
Speaker 1: And I love to see non romantic chemistry. It's so
Speaker 1: interesting because you never know what's going to happen next.
Speaker 1: You're not assuming somebody's gonna kiss. Anything could happen. You know.
Speaker 1: Everyone gives a for bagging on Lucas in the first
Speaker 1: couple of seasons, um because they told us he's the
Speaker 1: good guy. He's the good guy, you know, But now
Speaker 1: we get to see him be the good guy now
Speaker 1: with Glenda. We see that Lucas Scott that is just
Speaker 1: such a good friend and with her, Yes, yeah, and
Speaker 1: we love him in these scenes. God, I'm just thinking
Speaker 1: Glenda was the one actually who was sending Dan the messages, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I lead, I don't know if they
Speaker 1: did that, I'm purpose, but I felt it well, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: when when the phone was in the hallway, I'm like,
Speaker 1: who else could have left it? Right? Right? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I like her. Alison Scagliotti played the character
Speaker 1: who's in the classroom with you guys that had diabetes.
Speaker 1: Abby who left. She was a really good actor, like
Speaker 1: really good. This episode seems to be all about people
Speaker 1: who have really proven themselves on our show, and we're
Speaker 1: just like, how can we get all of them back? Yes,
Speaker 1: it felt so good. It still felt like like the
Speaker 1: core family on the show, which you know, guest stars
Speaker 1: don't always make it feel that way. So they did.
Speaker 1: They found exactly the ones that really fit. These guys
Speaker 1: fit tree Hill so well. The three of them did
Speaker 1: so beautifully, and you know what I really loved. Also,
Speaker 1: remember a couple episodes ago where we were talking about
Speaker 1: how sometimes when they were doing these flashbacks for Lucas
Speaker 1: with trying to figure out what happened to Keith, some
Speaker 1: of them are gorgeous, like when the camera is in
Speaker 1: the round and Craig Sheffer's they're talking gorgeous. And then
Speaker 1: some of the things Hillary your least favorite thing in
Speaker 1: the world, the morphing don't work. Oh my god, the morphing.
Speaker 1: The morphing. In this episode, the continued challenge between Dan
Speaker 1: and Lucas when Dan is saying drop it, drop it,
Speaker 1: drop it, and Lucas can't and unbeknownst to him, Dan
Speaker 1: says what Keith has been saying. Yeah, callback of open
Speaker 1: your Eyes, and Lucas finally realizes Abby was on the
Speaker 1: other side of those blinds. I had full body chills. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a callback that was so so good and
Speaker 1: so well done. And my god, Tom Wright did such
Speaker 1: a good job. He really did. That's a hard episode.
Speaker 1: Let's do cute kids at prom, psychotic break full horror movie,
Speaker 1: and then like Ghosts the Mystery and ghost Yeah, yeah, perfect. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: I have to say, I know we're not at the
Speaker 1: end of the episode, but I do have a something
Speaker 1: I want to throw in the ring for an honorable mention.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, the dude, it's prom guy speaking of cute
Speaker 1: kids at prom, and you enjoy you and James getting
Speaker 1: in on the dude. It's prom Like. There's barely any
Speaker 1: lines in that scene. It's three words you're saying, but
Speaker 1: everyone's saying them in their own way, and it made
Speaker 1: me laugh out loud. I loved it so much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was such a perfect just cute kids being
Speaker 1: kids to your point earlier, Hillary, like everybody's just being teenagers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I loved it. I loved it. It's really is
Speaker 1: one of the nice things about our show having a
Speaker 1: big cast that everybody can take a lane for episodes,
Speaker 1: so you know, we can do just the cute kids,
Speaker 1: low drama stuff and then let you guys have all
Speaker 1: the high drum and switch it around. I remembered filming
Speaker 1: this episode a lot. I don't know why, but I
Speaker 1: have a gout of this. Remember boot off, That's why
Speaker 1: you remember. It was like a celebration. I know, thank God,
Speaker 1: I'm out of my boot prison. Um. Yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: just remembered. I remembered that guy. I remember being in
Speaker 1: the car with James. I remembered a lot of the
Speaker 1: stuff at prom. I don't know. It's funny how those
Speaker 1: memories just come back. Yeah, I did too. I had
Speaker 1: really visceral memories of that dress, the red satin dress,
Speaker 1: because it was a big deal to figure out the
Speaker 1: black light just to make it look right like they
Speaker 1: you can see that they had to punch it up
Speaker 1: even in post to really make the word horror glow
Speaker 1: in the black light. Because it kind of worked, but
Speaker 1: with all the other lights on the set, it was
Speaker 1: really hard to just have a black light moment. And
Speaker 1: I just remember I remember how fun it felt to
Speaker 1: lean into the comedy as Brooke of realizing that this
Speaker 1: insult is sprayed across my stomach and using it as
Speaker 1: the key to me, Yeah, she still loves me. She
Speaker 1: loves me her house like yeah, opens up the door
Speaker 1: for the whole recipe. Yeah, I just it really tickled me,
Speaker 1: and and watching it back, I had that feeling like
Speaker 1: I had the same feeling of amusement and an adoration,
Speaker 1: like I could feel it in my body like it
Speaker 1: was yesterday, and that felt really fun. See, I'm jealous
Speaker 1: that you guys got the prov experience because yeah, he
Speaker 1: never I mean I show up at the very very end. No,
Speaker 1: you were just getting beat up. You guys got to
Speaker 1: do like the cute entrance on the red carpet, Like
Speaker 1: I love the river court boys coming in together like that.
Speaker 1: It's also sweet and like everyone's getting a dance, and
Speaker 1: there's little statues of liberty everywhere which don't make a
Speaker 1: ton of sense, but like, I don't know what was
Speaker 1: that about. And there was purple, lots of purple balloons
Speaker 1: as yeah, problem was New York, New York. Oh okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: on Brooke became a cosmopolitan girl doing close over ros.
Speaker 1: For me, there's some stuff that we had to do
Speaker 1: in this episode that we've had to do in previous episodes,
Speaker 1: Like Peyton has been drugged before, right, and I hated
Speaker 1: how that was done in season one because it was
Speaker 1: shot poorly and and it just read really cheesy. Where
Speaker 1: is this episode? It goes from you you guys being
Speaker 1: super cute, Brooke being super cute at prom and it
Speaker 1: totally still somehow works that Tom Wright shots in that
Speaker 1: basement of like the glitchy stuff and like the weird
Speaker 1: fade ins and kind of the blurred vision and the
Speaker 1: weird like tunnel audio. It all works. You've got like
Speaker 1: the pretty lights at the prom and the pretty lights
Speaker 1: in the basement. You've got the fun, sexy music at prom,
Speaker 1: and then this weird, freaky music that Derek has created
Speaker 1: from Peyton's pod that was so upsetting to me. Such
Speaker 1: a genius idea, but so tremendously uncomfortable. Tremendously uncomfortable. Is
Speaker 1: it on the internet? Like is that full song released somewhere?
Speaker 1: You know somebody has it? We should we should Emailington
Speaker 1: or someone, you know somebody's got that. Yeah, the mirror
Speaker 1: image stuff between the two situations is interesting and it's
Speaker 1: just you know, it's a credit to Tom and to
Speaker 1: our crew because they had to build that stuff. They
Speaker 1: had to build an entire prom set and an entire
Speaker 1: basement set for this one episode. It was a huge lift. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the construction work that goes into stuff like this is incredible,
Speaker 1: and that's the stuff that folks at home never get
Speaker 1: to see. You know, to your point, Hill, there there's
Speaker 1: no base in Peyton's real house, and so to create
Speaker 1: a world that feels and looks as real as that
Speaker 1: did is so impressive. And to think about the fact
Speaker 1: that the basement was on stage, Peyton's bedroom was on stage,
Speaker 1: but the staircase was in the real house. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we had to shoot that in multiple parts over multiple days,
Speaker 1: and this actually might be a great time. You know.
Speaker 1: We do this as a reminder every so often because
Speaker 1: you know, people go to Wilmington and visit the houses,
Speaker 1: and you talked about this Hill. You're friends with the
Speaker 1: people who live in Peyton's house. Um, please take photos
Speaker 1: from the houses from the sidewalk our friends at home,
Speaker 1: and please don't creep around the side of that house
Speaker 1: looking for the basement windows because the basement doesn't exist,
Speaker 1: and creeping around the side of people's houses is pretty
Speaker 1: terrifying for their teenage daughter. So don't you know, don't
Speaker 1: do that thank you picture and be cool, just be polite.
Speaker 1: That's that's where the line is, Okay, I want to
Speaker 1: know after this is for both of you, Actually, after
Speaker 1: shooting that episode, do you remember being in like in
Speaker 1: physical pain, because it's not like we were all raining
Speaker 1: for a Marvel movie and training for all this kind
Speaker 1: of like stunty stuff. I mean that was just thrown
Speaker 1: at you. What was your recovery like the whole from
Speaker 1: the first fight with Derek through the end of this season.
Speaker 1: I had horrific like neck problems and I would totally
Speaker 1: lock up, and I can tell some scenes where I'm
Speaker 1: not moving my head. They used to have to have
Speaker 1: a massage therapist and like a chiropractor come to set
Speaker 1: so that I could move. Like it would never occur
Speaker 1: to anyone to give me an off day, but they
Speaker 1: would have uncome to set and come into my trailer
Speaker 1: because I developed I guess scar tissue between my shoulder
Speaker 1: blades that would just like seize up. And then when
Speaker 1: you tell people that you're injured from a teen drama
Speaker 1: TV show like that's yeah, that's a joke, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Which was there a moment you felt like a crack
Speaker 1: or something happened. Was there like a moment you were
Speaker 1: shooting when you were like, something just happened in my neck?
Speaker 1: Or was it just a build up of the stress throughout? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was probably a buildup of like what
Speaker 1: was going on behind the scenes and also what was
Speaker 1: going on on set in the long hours. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like any kind of specific incident, but you don't know
Speaker 1: what in the moment. Your adrenaline so hot in the
Speaker 1: moment where you're doing this stuff, it's like two days
Speaker 1: later where you're just like, yeah, like a car wreck
Speaker 1: to get out and you're like, I'm fine, and then
Speaker 1: it feels yeah. So you So if you've done a
Speaker 1: few movies too that were like really physical, like The
Speaker 1: Hitcher and you know things, when you guys got done
Speaker 1: with this, how do you recover also emotionally from being
Speaker 1: in that space for such a long time. It's really difficult.
Speaker 1: And I will say, you know, to Hillary's point, like
Speaker 1: I've had some pretty gnarly set injuries. I've I've gone
Speaker 1: from set to the hospital on more than one occasion
Speaker 1: doing stunts, and it's really rare that they'll let you
Speaker 1: go to the hospital, so it has to be really
Speaker 1: really bad for it to go that far, and your
Speaker 1: adrenaline is so high, Like I didn't realize I had
Speaker 1: a really nasty fall doing stunts and had to go
Speaker 1: to the hospital to get an MRI and a cat
Speaker 1: scan at the recommendation of the camera crew. They were like, you,
Speaker 1: we watched that happen. You have to go get your
Speaker 1: brain checked, like your brain might be bleeding, and you
Speaker 1: got to go to the hospital. And I knew I
Speaker 1: was in pain, but I had such a serious concussion
Speaker 1: that like I couldn't even see straight. So I wasn't
Speaker 1: thinking that clearly. But then on another occasion, like I was,
Speaker 1: I was doing these scenes where I was running and
Speaker 1: I rolled my ankle and didn't really think too much
Speaker 1: of it, like it really hurts, but I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm gonna, you know, I'll get I'll get
Speaker 1: right back into place and keep going. And so we
Speaker 1: ran for, you know, another four hours, and my ankle
Speaker 1: has never been the same, like a I have a
Speaker 1: fracture in it that heeled the wrong way and to
Speaker 1: fix it would be like a major surgery. So I'm
Speaker 1: not going to do it. And it's just really interesting
Speaker 1: that you don't. It's not a normal experience doing stunts
Speaker 1: because they go for so long, and yes, your adrenaline
Speaker 1: is so heightened because something crazy is happening to your body,
Speaker 1: so you have that response even though it's not quote
Speaker 1: unquote real. And what I have found that's really interesting
Speaker 1: is it's really now. It's only more recently that I'm
Speaker 1: learning that I have to take better care of my body.
Speaker 1: I have to go to the chiropractor to work on
Speaker 1: the injuries I have. I have to see, to Hillary's point,
Speaker 1: a massage therapist. I'm not great at it, but I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I'm realizing that if I'm doing stunts at work, I
Speaker 1: don't just want to meet with the stunt coordinator about
Speaker 1: the choreography. I want to warm up, Like I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do a stunt without doing a thirty minute
Speaker 1: warm up with a professional anymore, because that's how to
Speaker 1: get hurt. But nobody told us that stuff when we
Speaker 1: we we were kids, we were trying to be production friendly.
Speaker 1: We're like, yeah, yeah, hit us with a car. We're
Speaker 1: like a actors too, And actors will like, we're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: throw me in it. Whatever I have to do, let's
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah with no training and we're not prepared.
Speaker 1: And then we're just fully physically throwing ourselves into things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm up. Because they don't want to hold camera. It's
Speaker 1: like too crazy. The fight scene where Brooke and Payton
Speaker 1: are taking turns tackling Psycho Deerk and oh my god,
Speaker 1: one like while we're watching, I'm like, so, I can't
Speaker 1: believe we did this, Like I know in a million years,
Speaker 1: because now you know, I don't really act anymore now
Speaker 1: I do a bunch of other stuff. And if I
Speaker 1: do act now, I'm like, no, no stunt double no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't jump. Don't be ridiculous to see
Speaker 1: to see us in our youth, just like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: funny that I'm still such a I'm still such like
Speaker 1: a stunt junkie that I'm like, what can we do?
Speaker 1: Can I get on a wire? Where where's the fighting?
Speaker 1: To go to a window? Like I I love it,
Speaker 1: but I've learned. I've learned to love it less recklessly
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, like you asked. We had this moment
Speaker 1: on when we were doing the Hitcher and we were
Speaker 1: doing this like high speed neck and neck scene down
Speaker 1: a highway going seventy miles an hour, and I got
Speaker 1: harnessed into the car and rolled the window down and
Speaker 1: leaned out to my hip bones of a car going
Speaker 1: seventy miles an hour, beating my fist on the window
Speaker 1: of the car next to us. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I really probably shouldn't have done that. That was a
Speaker 1: thing to do. If Tom Cruise could do it, you
Speaker 1: could do it. Do it. No, it was great, but
Speaker 1: like it also wasn't top gun, Like let if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna die, Like I don't know, man, Like where are you?
Speaker 1: What are you really willing to? Perhaps what willined yourself
Speaker 1: deeply for I don't know. The last time I did stunts,
Speaker 1: I was pregnant with George, and I had to like
Speaker 1: do the first part of the stunt right, like just
Speaker 1: fall out of frame and then let this other chick
Speaker 1: completely take over and then at the end pop up right.
Speaker 1: And that was the first time I ever let myself
Speaker 1: not do the stunt because I was carrying a baby.
Speaker 1: And when I watched that episode and realized that no
Speaker 1: one at home would give a I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: never doing this again. And by the way, she's gonna
Speaker 1: no one can tell. No one can tell, no one
Speaker 1: can tell, no one of the little tidbits that I
Speaker 1: really liked that didn't require any exposition. Sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: the writers want to tell the viewers what to think
Speaker 1: or what to know. In this episode, Brook goes around
Speaker 1: to the back of Peyton's house and knows exactly where
Speaker 1: the key is. Yeah, and just that little bit of
Speaker 1: action tells you the depth of their friendship, that they
Speaker 1: are family, and that Brooke knows that when Peyton locks
Speaker 1: her door, which she hasn't done in four years, but
Speaker 1: when she done, Brooke is the person that knows where
Speaker 1: the spare key is. And that says so much right
Speaker 1: before they're about to enter into this nightmare. I did
Speaker 1: love that. Yeah, it's all the little moments of familiarity.
Speaker 1: Your car's in the driveway. Oh fine, you locked me out.
Speaker 1: You know I'm I'm coming in and even coming down
Speaker 1: the stairs really just thinking that you're king with me.
Speaker 1: Oh you're gonna hide in your creepy basement because you
Speaker 1: know I hate it. Fine, I'll come down there, you
Speaker 1: know you're there. It's like these they're grumpy little girls.
Speaker 1: And then in a way, in a way, Brooke gets
Speaker 1: to help reveal that was the name of my band
Speaker 1: in college, Grumpy Little Girls. Perfect. I like it when
Speaker 1: characters get to do what the camera is doing, when
Speaker 1: someone walks you into a room and reveals it to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think there's a really interesting reveal that happens
Speaker 1: coming down the stairs, because we've been really tight on
Speaker 1: you and on Matt Barr in that basement. It's been
Speaker 1: creepy and intimate and gross, and the sort of wide sweeping,
Speaker 1: oh we're in the upside down happens when you come
Speaker 1: down that staircase with Brooke. And I thought that was
Speaker 1: a really cool directing choice on Tom's part. Okay, next episode.
Speaker 1: It is season four, episode seventeen. It gets the worst
Speaker 1: at night. I can't imagine anything worse. Yeah, how does
Speaker 1: it get worse from here? I guess we'll see you
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