1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We all about 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama Girl, all about them 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: high school queens Forever. We'll take you for a ride 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: in our comic girl Cheering for the eighteen drama Queens 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: Girl Fashion, but your tough girl, you could sit with 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: us Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama John 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: mc Queen's Drama, Queens. Ah. Friends. We had the lovely 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: Matt bar On last week to talk about the prim 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: episodes for fifteen and four sixteen, But we still have 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: so many thoughts and honestly questions, and we need to 11 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: break down season four, episode sixteen even further. So let's continue. 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: You call it madness, but I call it love. Air date, 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: May second, two thousand and seven. Obviously, we spent all 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: of last episodes setting this one up. Um, this one 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: is actual prom which I would love to dig into 16 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: our real prom experiences before we go. Yeah, like, like, 17 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: what are your core prom memories? Oh man, okay, I 18 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: have this, I have this memory. Um, I went to prom. 19 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: I went to Senior Problem with this boy Kyle, and 20 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: he was a sweet like South African surfer boy and 21 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: hot okay, And I wanted to go with my best 22 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 1: friend who I was in love with, but he asked 23 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 1: his ex girlfriend, who was not even in the school anymore. 24 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: And I was so upset that I was like, well 25 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: that's a very clear message. Fine. Yeah, so so uh 26 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: Kyl and I went together, and um, I have this moment. 27 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 1: I remember sitting at the banquet table and like leaning over, 28 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: like I pretended I was going to kiss him, but 29 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: then I was just like I think I like did 30 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: like a like blue in his face or something. It 31 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: was just such a weird I don't know why in 32 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: the world I did that. There was I think I 33 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: was just experiment with my like playfulness and emotions and 34 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: what does what do all these things feel like? And 35 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: this poor guy like thought he was going to get 36 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: a kiss and then ended up getting like a blow 37 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: in the face. A blow. It's an airproof, an airproof. 38 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: It haunts me. You know those stupid things that you 39 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: do in life that are totally meaningless that everyone else 40 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: has forgotten about, but they haunt you. Yeah, that's one 41 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: of them. I always feel bad about that. Kyle on 42 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: senior prom. No, that's fair. My prom experience haunts me too. 43 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: Like I went to I went to Prom junior and 44 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: senior year, but I also went as a freshman, and 45 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: my senior year I went with my best guy friend 46 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: and I had the best time ever. Thank god, because 47 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: when I went as a freshman, I was one of 48 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: the only freshmen there and I went with the captain 49 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: of the football team, and this was like the biggest 50 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 1: deal ever. He was. I mean, I was so in 51 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: love with him, and he was that guy that was like, Oh, 52 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: we're not going to go to a fancy restaurant because 53 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: we don't really care about Prom. We're gonna go to 54 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: a seafood buffet, right. He shows up late to pick 55 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: me up. He shows up late, he has a black 56 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: eye because he played basketball that morning. So he's Brooke 57 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: Davis at that point. And we have the seafood buffet 58 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: and he gets food poisoning, So then he's Haley James 59 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: Scott at Prom because he's like we're in the lobby 60 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: of the hotel where he is laid out on a 61 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: couch with his head in my lap because he's been vomiting, 62 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: and the principle comes over and it's like, hey, are 63 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: you gonna be able to get him home? And I 64 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: was like, I'm fourteen, sir, I can't drive, Like there 65 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: was nothing I could do. So he finally starts feeling better. 66 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: We go to an after party. He's still just like 67 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: laid up on a couch the whole time, and then 68 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: he brings me home at the end of the night 69 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: and I don't kiss him because he has been vomiting 70 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: all evening and he dumped me because he told all 71 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: his friends. He's like, they were like, kiss her, Did 72 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: you kiss her? And he's like no, she just like 73 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: closed the door. She like hugged me and said good 74 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: night and left, like you think you guys, that night 75 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: has haunted me for decade decad about it. There's no regrets, 76 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: right listen joy watching Haley like just sit at the 77 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: table while everyone else's dancing. Gave me such PTSD. I 78 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: was like, no, I've been there. Yeah, I don't know. 79 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: It's funny because there's the nostalgia in this episode of 80 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: like senior prom. Senior Prom it's such a big deal 81 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: because my school was so small, like there were fifty 82 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: five girls in my class. Yeah, you went to prom 83 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: every year you've been through senior year because otherwise there 84 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: weren't enough kids. Oh you know, there were under two 85 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: hundred kids with dates who even went to prom, and 86 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: so people were so many people in my school would 87 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: say I'm gonna go this year, I'm not gonna go. 88 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: It just wasn't really a big deal. But even prom, 89 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: because it's an all girls school, did they have like 90 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: I mean your own or you boys? Yeah, we did 91 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: our own. We did our own and you brought your 92 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: date and it was it was fun and sweet. And 93 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, I up until I was a senior, I 94 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: had been dating my like high school and essentially childhood 95 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: camp sweetheart. So we went to prom every year together, 96 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: all my school dances, all his school dances. Spencer's just 97 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: the best person. Oh my god, that's so cute. Oh yeah, 98 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: just the best person. And then you know, we had 99 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: that moment around I don't know, sixteen seventeen, thinking like 100 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: we're kids, like we've never known or dated anyone else. 101 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: This is insane. And so by my senior year, halfway 102 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: through my senior year, I started dating this sweet, beautiful 103 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: boy who was totally like a different kind of person. Again, 104 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out who you are. My senior 105 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: year in high school was the spitting image of Paul Walker, 106 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: like a total jock, the opposite of like the you 107 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: know guy super into music and camping. Like they couldn't 108 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: have been more different. And I was just like kind 109 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: of along for the ride, figuring out like who am I? 110 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: What's my vibe? And then I think about college and 111 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: like my college sweetheart was was like a computer graphics designer, 112 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: Like nobody could be more different, But senior prom felt, 113 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: I think, like the standout to me because it was 114 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: the first time in my you know, middle school in 115 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: high school life that I was in a new relationship 116 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: and that really that felt like a really big deal. 117 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: It wasn't comfortable. It was like what's going to happen? 118 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: So now there was this mystery still there. Where are 119 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: we going? I've never been to a dance at your school. 120 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: I've been going to dance as at Spencer's school since 121 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: like I was ten. I love the sea. That made 122 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: it feel really fun and sweet. Lots of mystery in 123 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: this show, guys we um, we had the full range 124 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: of experience at tree Hill's senior prom, good times, bad 125 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: times were they were like two totally separate TV shows 126 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: happening in this episode drastically. There was the horror film 127 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: and then like the feel good Nathan Haley storyline, Nathan 128 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: Haley and Mouth and Rachel are in like they're in 129 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: a John Hughes movie, and the rest of us are 130 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: in the Texas Chainsaw massacre. Well, and even Lucas and 131 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: Glenda are part of the John Hughes movie like they're cute. 132 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: And then there's Team Terror. So I feel like I 133 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: feel like Dan was the only link we had between 134 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: psychotic and reality, so it was that was helpful to 135 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: me because I was always very unsettled when Dan was 136 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: on camera because in the last episode, I was not 137 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: buying the whole um. It's just I just felt so unsettled, 138 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: like Nathan and Dan having like a banter about oh 139 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: the videotape and blah blah blah. But so anyway, I 140 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: always felt very unsettled when Paul was on camera in 141 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: this episode, and that helped me get over. But it's 142 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: a testament to Tom Wright's abilities as a director to 143 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: make those transitions work, because they did. The interesting thing 144 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: that you point out about Paul is that he has 145 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: been Dan Scott has been the best version of himself 146 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: for so many episodes in a row now that it 147 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: almost feels like maybe he's learned something, and Nathan essentially 148 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: is the mouthpiece for the audience saying to Lucas, look, 149 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 1: Dan is different. I don't know what else to say 150 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: about it, but he's different. Yeah, and when you see 151 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: Dan with Whitey, you realize, Nope, still in there. That's 152 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: a little Yeah, let's start at the beginning. Let's start 153 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: at the beginning, because we have so much we want 154 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: to cover that isn't with our fabulous guest today. Um, 155 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of like cute stuff that doesn't involve basement. 156 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: If we want to make sure we had all of that, Um, 157 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: Whitey to your point, like Whitey, Whitey's face when Karen 158 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: and Dan walk in together is so like okay, hey cool, 159 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: and he waits till right, Yeah, what the hell are 160 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: you doing? That's it. It's like I've already watched you 161 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: ruin this girl's life, Like, please, don't do it again. 162 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be concerned with the kids tonight, like, 163 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: don't make me worried about the grown ups at the party. 164 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: And I really wrestle with Karen. I watch her and 165 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, how I mean I don't know. I guess 166 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: we all do it in different ways. We all have 167 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: things that we want, so we just prioritize that desire 168 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: and get into ourselves into stupid situations because we can't 169 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: see past who knows about such certain things. And I 170 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just looking at her dancing with Dan 171 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: and like what, Yeah, I think there's really something to 172 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: it though, the fact that he is showing up for 173 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: her consistently, and in the beginning she rebuffed him and 174 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: he has come back and come back and come back 175 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: and come back, and much like Nathan, she sees something 176 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: in him that is familiar. Yeah, it is human instinct. 177 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: You know. We talk a lot about this, that you're 178 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 1: supposed to let people make mistakes and find themselves, and 179 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: even the worst, the worst things a person could do, 180 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: you want them to heal. You want them to get better, 181 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: You want them to be rehabbed. You know, whether it's 182 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: debb and literal alcoholism or emotional unemotional disease. You hope 183 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: that people can get past the bad parts. And so 184 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: it's really tricky to know where the line is. Can 185 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: you allow someone like Dan to change or should you 186 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: keep him out of your life forever and that conundrum 187 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: of how to know you know. You hear people talk 188 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: about it with marriage, for example, and someone will get 189 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: out of a bad marriage and say, well, everyone always 190 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: said marriage was work, so I figured this was just 191 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: the work. And then and then other people will say, yeah, 192 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: it's work, but it shouldn't be that much work, right, 193 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, but what's the work line? How 194 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: do you know? And I say this as a person 195 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: who's in a great relationship, who's been in bad to 196 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: like abusive relationships, it's very easy to go, well, but 197 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: isn't this the work? So I think about that for Karen, 198 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: and I wonder if for her the boundary it's not 199 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: like it's a line you can see. It's something you 200 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: have to kind of feel out and determine. And every 201 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: way that you've been hurt and every you know, version 202 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: of whatever you've suffered that's made you parentified or enable 203 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: to communicate, like whatever all the things are, it affects 204 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: where you see the line. And I love the humanity 205 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: that Moira brings to Karen as she's witnessing Dan and 206 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: as she is literally being given the opportunity to get 207 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: a do over of her worst hurt. I really sympathize 208 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: with her wanting a new ending, even if it's temporary. 209 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: She wants a new ending. Appreciate the character consistency too, 210 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: that Karen is someone who and it goes through to 211 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: Lucas too, that she just wants to see the best 212 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: in people, you know, And I think that's something you 213 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: learn when life kicks you're asked, especially when you're young, 214 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: you kind of have to pick. Okay, am I gonna 215 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: be the kind of person who just hold onto things? 216 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: And that's like, I see people treat me bad, and 217 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: so from now on, that's where I'm going to live 218 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: in that emotional space. Or am I gonna not let 219 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: the bad things to other people to do define me? 220 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: And I'm going to continue to allow myself to trust 221 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: and be open. And I think that that's something that 222 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: Karen decided. And then you see how Lucas constantly tries 223 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 1: to see the best in people, and Lucas's best friend 224 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: being Haley, who also has that quality. I think there's 225 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 1: a consistency there that makes sense. So I like that, 226 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: you know, it kind of runs through the family line. 227 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: I wish that women as like mothers, had been prioritized 228 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: a little bit, and Karen's story had more flesh to it, 229 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: because it's hard for me to understand that Karen, Karen, 230 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: who's so cool, who owns this business in town, does 231 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: not have any family and does not have any friends 232 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: that she can bounce this damn relationship off of. Like 233 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: her buddy was dead, his ex wife, and so there's 234 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: no one for her to bounce this information off of 235 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: other than her son, who it's his dad, you know, Like, 236 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: and there's a complicated thing happening there. She needs her 237 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: core group of girlfriends to be like, what are you doing? 238 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: Herd pass Because when you're by yourself, it becomes really 239 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: easy to rationalize things. But when you have to stay 240 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: aloud to other people, that's when you are like, I can't, 241 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: I can't make this make sense. Can you help me? Yeah? 242 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: And yeah, Karen should have like a strong network of friends. 243 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: She is a likable, successful woman in this town. Well, 244 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: and it's interesting that isolation when you think about relationships 245 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: you've been in that weren't good. When I think about 246 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: relationships I've been in there weren't good. It was the 247 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: isolation allowed them to continue. Oh yeah, because when you 248 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: don't have a sounding board. The only person you have 249 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: to bounce your reality off of is the person who 250 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: wants you to stay in that reality. And it adds 251 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: a layer when you think about it that way, to 252 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: this whole dynamic of Karen and Dan, because I do 253 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: believe there's a part of Dan that loves Karen, and 254 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: I believe there's a part of Dan that wants he 255 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: wants to win. It's a It's that classic narcissist needs 256 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: a supply thing. And I wonder if in the sort 257 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: of subconscious of him he identifies her now because she's alone. 258 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: It's like she's the She's the deer that's been separated 259 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: from the pack. She's easy to grab, and I wonder 260 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: if that's why it's in her a loneness that he 261 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: is showing up in ways he never has before. Sure, 262 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: dudes have hero complexes, and Dan is the king of that. 263 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate that Nathan doesn't try to be a hero 264 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: in this whole situation. I mean, the apology tour that 265 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: he went on was lovely. Apology tour was great. Nathan 266 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: screwed up in the last episode. He goes on this 267 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: apology tour, and then in this episode, rather than trying 268 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: to be the hero. He takes the moment with Haley 269 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: to be like, let's just be kids. Like, what if 270 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: I don't have to be the hero? What if we 271 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: could just admit we're big idiots and our car broke 272 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: down and all we want to do is be little 273 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: dorky kids. Yeah, that felt honest, and that felt kind 274 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: of outside of the trope that a lot of our 275 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: male characters get into of like I'm gonna save you. 276 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: It's yes, No, just admit you're a dork. That's so 277 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: much cuter. Admit you don't have the answers, Let your 278 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: mom come pick you up. In an episode where you 279 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: just wish anybody had a parent, you know, Peyton Brook, 280 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: Rachel Mount, nobody has parents. It's so nice to see 281 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: deb come and pick these kids up and try to 282 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: do right by them and make fun of herself. Yeah, 283 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,719 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, would have driven on the sidewalk more 284 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: if it had been a couple of months ago. I 285 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: love that we also have a lot of Lucas Glenda interactions. 286 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: I love it. I'm so into this relationship. I love 287 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,719 Speaker 1: these two together, and I really wish that we had 288 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: had the ability to keep Glenda on the show. You know, 289 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: Amber is so amazing, and it's you know, it's tough 290 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: for the for the friends at home, being in Wilmington, 291 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: being so physically far from la and even the fact 292 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: that it's just so hard to get there. It takes 293 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: all day, it's two flights. It can be really difficult 294 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: to keep people around because they got to go home, 295 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: they got an audition for other stuff. And I really 296 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: wish that the studio had had seen what we see, 297 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: or that, you know, our bosses had seen what we see, 298 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: and that they had given her the regular job that 299 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: she deserved, because she, I think is as additive to 300 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: our show as mouth. Yes, and like they finally picked 301 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: it up with Lee Norris and they went, oh my god, 302 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: we can't lose him. They got smart, but they didn't. 303 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: They didn't get smart with everybody. And god, I just 304 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: love watching her, and I love who we get to 305 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: see Lucas b with Glenda, because we are told in 306 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: the first couple seasons Lucas is the good guy. Lucas 307 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: is the good guy, but he's not necessarily acting like 308 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: a good guy, you know, and we had been critical 309 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: of that in his relationship with Glenda. We get to see, 310 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: like Lucas Scott is a good guy. He's open and 311 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: he's vulnerable with people, and he's inclusive and he's thoughtful 312 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: when she's dealing with her mother, you know, like I 313 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: like that. She lets him show off that side of 314 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: him self that the fan base obviously fell in love with. 315 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: And it's not always the romantic relationship that makes you 316 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: your best self. Well that's it because in romantic relationships 317 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: he tries to be a hero and he always goes 318 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 1: and tries to rescue the person who's in pain, which 319 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 1: usually is not the person he's dating. The whole time 320 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: he's dating Brook, he goes and tries to help Peyton, 321 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: and now he's dating Peyton, so he goes to see 322 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: Brooke first, and Peyton's mad about it, like because she 323 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: knows what he's doing, because she's like, you did this 324 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: with me when you were with her. Yea, yea, I 325 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: know this act like cut it out, You're you're supposed 326 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: to grow up. And with Glinda, because his romantic interests 327 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: are taken up elsewhere, he really is himself and he 328 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: gets to ask questions and he gets to admit that 329 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: he needs help with some things, and the way she 330 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: holds space for him when she offers to be his 331 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: sounding board and offers to walk the school with him 332 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: and help him find his story again. It's so generous 333 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: and the two of them together have such a great chemistry. 334 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: And I love to see non romantic chemistry. It's so 335 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: interesting because you never know what's going to happen next. 336 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: You're not assuming somebody's gonna kiss. Anything could happen. You know. 337 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: Everyone gives a for bagging on Lucas in the first 338 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: couple of seasons, um because they told us he's the 339 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: good guy. He's the good guy, you know, But now 340 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: we get to see him be the good guy now 341 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: with Glenda. We see that Lucas Scott that is just 342 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: such a good friend and with her, Yes, yeah, and 343 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: we love him in these scenes. God, I'm just thinking 344 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: Glenda was the one actually who was sending Dan the messages, right, 345 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, I lead, I don't know if they 346 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: did that, I'm purpose, but I felt it well, I think, yeah, 347 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: when when the phone was in the hallway, I'm like, 348 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: who else could have left it? Right? Right? Yeah, I 349 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: don't know. I like her. Alison Scagliotti played the character 350 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: who's in the classroom with you guys that had diabetes. 351 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: Abby who left. She was a really good actor, like 352 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: really good. This episode seems to be all about people 353 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: who have really proven themselves on our show, and we're 354 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: just like, how can we get all of them back? Yes, 355 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: it felt so good. It still felt like like the 356 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: core family on the show, which you know, guest stars 357 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: don't always make it feel that way. So they did. 358 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: They found exactly the ones that really fit. These guys 359 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: fit tree Hill so well. The three of them did 360 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: so beautifully, and you know what I really loved. Also, 361 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: remember a couple episodes ago where we were talking about 362 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: how sometimes when they were doing these flashbacks for Lucas 363 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: with trying to figure out what happened to Keith, some 364 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: of them are gorgeous, like when the camera is in 365 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: the round and Craig Sheffer's they're talking gorgeous. And then 366 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: some of the things Hillary your least favorite thing in 367 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: the world, the morphing don't work. Oh my god, the morphing. 368 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: The morphing. In this episode, the continued challenge between Dan 369 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: and Lucas when Dan is saying drop it, drop it, 370 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: drop it, and Lucas can't and unbeknownst to him, Dan 371 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: says what Keith has been saying. Yeah, callback of open 372 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: your Eyes, and Lucas finally realizes Abby was on the 373 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: other side of those blinds. I had full body chills. Yeah. Yeah, 374 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: that was a callback that was so so good and 375 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: so well done. And my god, Tom Wright did such 376 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: a good job. He really did. That's a hard episode. 377 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: Let's do cute kids at prom, psychotic break full horror movie, 378 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: and then like Ghosts the Mystery and ghost Yeah, yeah, perfect. Yeah, Okay, 379 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: I have to say, I know we're not at the 380 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: end of the episode, but I do have a something 381 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: I want to throw in the ring for an honorable mention. 382 00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: Oh okay, the dude, it's prom guy speaking of cute 383 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: kids at prom, and you enjoy you and James getting 384 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: in on the dude. It's prom Like. There's barely any 385 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: lines in that scene. It's three words you're saying, but 386 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: everyone's saying them in their own way, and it made 387 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: me laugh out loud. I loved it so much. Yeah, 388 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: and it was such a perfect just cute kids being 389 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: kids to your point earlier, Hillary, like everybody's just being teenagers. Yeah, 390 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: and I loved it. I loved it. It's really is 391 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: one of the nice things about our show having a 392 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: big cast that everybody can take a lane for episodes, 393 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: so you know, we can do just the cute kids, 394 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: low drama stuff and then let you guys have all 395 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: the high drum and switch it around. I remembered filming 396 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: this episode a lot. I don't know why, but I 397 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: have a gout of this. Remember boot off, That's why 398 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: you remember. It was like a celebration. I know, thank God, 399 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: I'm out of my boot prison. Um. Yeah, no, I 400 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: just remembered. I remembered that guy. I remember being in 401 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: the car with James. I remembered a lot of the 402 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: stuff at prom. I don't know. It's funny how those 403 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: memories just come back. Yeah, I did too. I had 404 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: really visceral memories of that dress, the red satin dress, 405 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: because it was a big deal to figure out the 406 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: black light just to make it look right like they 407 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 1: you can see that they had to punch it up 408 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: even in post to really make the word horror glow 409 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: in the black light. Because it kind of worked, but 410 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: with all the other lights on the set, it was 411 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: really hard to just have a black light moment. And 412 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: I just remember I remember how fun it felt to 413 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: lean into the comedy as Brooke of realizing that this 414 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: insult is sprayed across my stomach and using it as 415 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: the key to me, Yeah, she still loves me. She 416 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: loves me her house like yeah, opens up the door 417 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: for the whole recipe. Yeah, I just it really tickled me, 418 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: and and watching it back, I had that feeling like 419 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: I had the same feeling of amusement and an adoration, 420 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: like I could feel it in my body like it 421 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: was yesterday, and that felt really fun. See, I'm jealous 422 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: that you guys got the prov experience because yeah, he 423 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: never I mean I show up at the very very end. No, 424 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: you were just getting beat up. You guys got to 425 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: do like the cute entrance on the red carpet, Like 426 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: I love the river court boys coming in together like that. 427 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: It's also sweet and like everyone's getting a dance, and 428 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: there's little statues of liberty everywhere which don't make a 429 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: ton of sense, but like, I don't know what was 430 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: that about. And there was purple, lots of purple balloons 431 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: as yeah, problem was New York, New York. Oh okay, Yeah, 432 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: on Brooke became a cosmopolitan girl doing close over ros. 433 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: For me, there's some stuff that we had to do 434 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: in this episode that we've had to do in previous episodes, 435 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: Like Peyton has been drugged before, right, and I hated 436 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: how that was done in season one because it was 437 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: shot poorly and and it just read really cheesy. Where 438 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: is this episode? It goes from you you guys being 439 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: super cute, Brooke being super cute at prom and it 440 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: totally still somehow works that Tom Wright shots in that 441 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: basement of like the glitchy stuff and like the weird 442 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: fade ins and kind of the blurred vision and the 443 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: weird like tunnel audio. It all works. You've got like 444 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: the pretty lights at the prom and the pretty lights 445 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: in the basement. You've got the fun, sexy music at prom, 446 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: and then this weird, freaky music that Derek has created 447 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: from Peyton's pod that was so upsetting to me. Such 448 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: a genius idea, but so tremendously uncomfortable. Tremendously uncomfortable. Is 449 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 1: it on the internet? Like is that full song released somewhere? 450 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: You know somebody has it? We should we should Emailington 451 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: or someone, you know somebody's got that. Yeah, the mirror 452 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: image stuff between the two situations is interesting and it's 453 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: just you know, it's a credit to Tom and to 454 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: our crew because they had to build that stuff. They 455 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: had to build an entire prom set and an entire 456 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: basement set for this one episode. It was a huge lift. Yeah. Yeah, 457 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: the construction work that goes into stuff like this is incredible, 458 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: and that's the stuff that folks at home never get 459 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: to see. You know, to your point, Hill, there there's 460 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: no base in Peyton's real house, and so to create 461 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: a world that feels and looks as real as that 462 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: did is so impressive. And to think about the fact 463 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: that the basement was on stage, Peyton's bedroom was on stage, 464 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: but the staircase was in the real house. Yeah, so 465 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: we had to shoot that in multiple parts over multiple days, 466 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: and this actually might be a great time. You know. 467 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: We do this as a reminder every so often because 468 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: you know, people go to Wilmington and visit the houses, 469 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: and you talked about this Hill. You're friends with the 470 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: people who live in Peyton's house. Um, please take photos 471 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: from the houses from the sidewalk our friends at home, 472 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: and please don't creep around the side of that house 473 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: looking for the basement windows because the basement doesn't exist, 474 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: and creeping around the side of people's houses is pretty 475 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: terrifying for their teenage daughter. So don't you know, don't 476 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: do that thank you picture and be cool, just be polite. 477 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: That's that's where the line is, Okay, I want to 478 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: know after this is for both of you, Actually, after 479 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: shooting that episode, do you remember being in like in 480 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: physical pain, because it's not like we were all raining 481 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: for a Marvel movie and training for all this kind 482 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: of like stunty stuff. I mean that was just thrown 483 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: at you. What was your recovery like the whole from 484 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: the first fight with Derek through the end of this season. 485 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,959 Speaker 1: I had horrific like neck problems and I would totally 486 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: lock up, and I can tell some scenes where I'm 487 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: not moving my head. They used to have to have 488 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: a massage therapist and like a chiropractor come to set 489 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: so that I could move. Like it would never occur 490 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: to anyone to give me an off day, but they 491 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: would have uncome to set and come into my trailer 492 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,719 Speaker 1: because I developed I guess scar tissue between my shoulder 493 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: blades that would just like seize up. And then when 494 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: you tell people that you're injured from a teen drama 495 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: TV show like that's yeah, that's a joke, right, Yeah, 496 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: Which was there a moment you felt like a crack 497 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: or something happened. Was there like a moment you were 498 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: shooting when you were like, something just happened in my neck? 499 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: Or was it just a build up of the stress throughout? Yeah, 500 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: it was. It was probably a buildup of like what 501 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: was going on behind the scenes and also what was 502 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: going on on set in the long hours. It wasn't 503 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: like any kind of specific incident, but you don't know 504 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: what in the moment. Your adrenaline so hot in the 505 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: moment where you're doing this stuff, it's like two days 506 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: later where you're just like, yeah, like a car wreck 507 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: to get out and you're like, I'm fine, and then 508 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: it feels yeah. So you So if you've done a 509 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: few movies too that were like really physical, like The 510 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: Hitcher and you know things, when you guys got done 511 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: with this, how do you recover also emotionally from being 512 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: in that space for such a long time. It's really difficult. 513 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: And I will say, you know, to Hillary's point, like 514 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: I've had some pretty gnarly set injuries. I've I've gone 515 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: from set to the hospital on more than one occasion 516 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: doing stunts, and it's really rare that they'll let you 517 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: go to the hospital, so it has to be really 518 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: really bad for it to go that far, and your 519 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: adrenaline is so high, Like I didn't realize I had 520 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: a really nasty fall doing stunts and had to go 521 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: to the hospital to get an MRI and a cat 522 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: scan at the recommendation of the camera crew. They were like, you, 523 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: we watched that happen. You have to go get your 524 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: brain checked, like your brain might be bleeding, and you 525 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: got to go to the hospital. And I knew I 526 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: was in pain, but I had such a serious concussion 527 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: that like I couldn't even see straight. So I wasn't 528 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: thinking that clearly. But then on another occasion, like I was, 529 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: I was doing these scenes where I was running and 530 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: I rolled my ankle and didn't really think too much 531 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: of it, like it really hurts, but I was like, 532 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm gonna, you know, I'll get I'll get 533 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: right back into place and keep going. And so we 534 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: ran for, you know, another four hours, and my ankle 535 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: has never been the same, like a I have a 536 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: fracture in it that heeled the wrong way and to 537 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: fix it would be like a major surgery. So I'm 538 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: not going to do it. And it's just really interesting 539 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: that you don't. It's not a normal experience doing stunts 540 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: because they go for so long, and yes, your adrenaline 541 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: is so heightened because something crazy is happening to your body, 542 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: so you have that response even though it's not quote 543 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: unquote real. And what I have found that's really interesting 544 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: is it's really now. It's only more recently that I'm 545 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: learning that I have to take better care of my body. 546 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: I have to go to the chiropractor to work on 547 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: the injuries I have. I have to see, to Hillary's point, 548 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: a massage therapist. I'm not great at it, but I'm trying. 549 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: I'm realizing that if I'm doing stunts at work, I 550 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: don't just want to meet with the stunt coordinator about 551 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: the choreography. I want to warm up, Like I'm not 552 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: going to do a stunt without doing a thirty minute 553 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: warm up with a professional anymore, because that's how to 554 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: get hurt. But nobody told us that stuff when we 555 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: we we were kids, we were trying to be production friendly. 556 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: We're like, yeah, yeah, hit us with a car. We're 557 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: like a actors too, And actors will like, we're like, yeah, 558 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: throw me in it. Whatever I have to do, let's 559 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: do it. Yeah with no training and we're not prepared. 560 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: And then we're just fully physically throwing ourselves into things. Yeah, 561 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: I'm up. Because they don't want to hold camera. It's 562 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: like too crazy. The fight scene where Brooke and Payton 563 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: are taking turns tackling Psycho Deerk and oh my god, 564 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: one like while we're watching, I'm like, so, I can't 565 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: believe we did this, Like I know in a million years, 566 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: because now you know, I don't really act anymore now 567 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: I do a bunch of other stuff. And if I 568 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: do act now, I'm like, no, no stunt double no, no, no, no, 569 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: I don't I don't jump. Don't be ridiculous to see 570 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: to see us in our youth, just like, oh, that's 571 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: funny that I'm still such a I'm still such like 572 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: a stunt junkie that I'm like, what can we do? 573 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,919 Speaker 1: Can I get on a wire? Where where's the fighting? 574 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: To go to a window? Like I I love it, 575 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: but I've learned. I've learned to love it less recklessly 576 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, like you asked. We had this moment 577 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: on when we were doing the Hitcher and we were 578 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: doing this like high speed neck and neck scene down 579 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: a highway going seventy miles an hour, and I got 580 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: harnessed into the car and rolled the window down and 581 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: leaned out to my hip bones of a car going 582 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: seventy miles an hour, beating my fist on the window 583 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: of the car next to us. And I was like, 584 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: I really probably shouldn't have done that. That was a 585 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: thing to do. If Tom Cruise could do it, you 586 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: could do it. Do it. No, it was great, but 587 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: like it also wasn't top gun, Like let if I'm 588 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: gonna die, Like I don't know, man, Like where are you? 589 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: What are you really willing to? Perhaps what willined yourself 590 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: deeply for I don't know. The last time I did stunts, 591 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: I was pregnant with George, and I had to like 592 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: do the first part of the stunt right, like just 593 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: fall out of frame and then let this other chick 594 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 1: completely take over and then at the end pop up right. 595 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: And that was the first time I ever let myself 596 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,959 Speaker 1: not do the stunt because I was carrying a baby. 597 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: And when I watched that episode and realized that no 598 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: one at home would give a I was like, I'm 599 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: never doing this again. And by the way, she's gonna 600 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: no one can tell. No one can tell, no one 601 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: can tell, no one of the little tidbits that I 602 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: really liked that didn't require any exposition. Sometimes you know, 603 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: the writers want to tell the viewers what to think 604 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: or what to know. In this episode, Brook goes around 605 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: to the back of Peyton's house and knows exactly where 606 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: the key is. Yeah, and just that little bit of 607 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: action tells you the depth of their friendship, that they 608 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: are family, and that Brooke knows that when Peyton locks 609 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: her door, which she hasn't done in four years, but 610 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: when she done, Brooke is the person that knows where 611 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: the spare key is. And that says so much right 612 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: before they're about to enter into this nightmare. I did 613 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: love that. Yeah, it's all the little moments of familiarity. 614 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 1: Your car's in the driveway. Oh fine, you locked me out. 615 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 1: You know I'm I'm coming in and even coming down 616 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: the stairs really just thinking that you're king with me. 617 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: Oh you're gonna hide in your creepy basement because you 618 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: know I hate it. Fine, I'll come down there, you 619 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: know you're there. It's like these they're grumpy little girls. 620 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 1: And then in a way, in a way, Brooke gets 621 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,919 Speaker 1: to help reveal that was the name of my band 622 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: in college, Grumpy Little Girls. Perfect. I like it when 623 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,399 Speaker 1: characters get to do what the camera is doing, when 624 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,919 Speaker 1: someone walks you into a room and reveals it to you. Yeah, 625 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 1: and I think there's a really interesting reveal that happens 626 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: coming down the stairs, because we've been really tight on 627 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: you and on Matt Barr in that basement. It's been 628 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: creepy and intimate and gross, and the sort of wide sweeping, 629 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: oh we're in the upside down happens when you come 630 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: down that staircase with Brooke. And I thought that was 631 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: a really cool directing choice on Tom's part. Okay, next episode. 632 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: It is season four, episode seventeen. It gets the worst 633 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: at night. I can't imagine anything worse. Yeah, how does 634 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: it get worse from here? 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