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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous young missing University

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh student. Clothes found on a beach chair along with flipflops.

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Speaker 1: That's all that's left a sarong and some flip flops

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Speaker 1: at this hour, the FBI joining in the search. I'm

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 2: Sudikshu Kanunki is a twenty year old biological Sciences in

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Speaker 2: Chemistry pre med students at the prestigious University of Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: on a spring break trip with her girlfriends in Utah, Kano.

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Speaker 2: But now authorities are frantically searching for the girl after

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Speaker 2: she disappeared on the beach.

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Speaker 3: Where is city?

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Speaker 1: This beautiful young girl goes down to dr with friends.

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Speaker 1: They're out having a good time dancing.

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Speaker 3: They go from moon light walk on the beach.

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Speaker 1: And now all that's left is a sarong and some

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Speaker 1: flip flops.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 4: The search intensifies after what is believed to be Kanaki's

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Speaker 4: sarong and flip flops are found on a beach chair.

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Speaker 4: Local news outlet CDN post images of a white netted

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Speaker 4: beach cover up and a pair of flip flops similar

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Speaker 4: to what Sudisha was wearing when she was last seen.

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Speaker 4: The photos of what could be Kanaki's belongings are seen

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Speaker 4: sprawled across a sun lounger and in the sand beside

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Speaker 4: the chair.

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Speaker 1: Why are they there, how did they get there, When

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Speaker 1: did they get there, how were they found? Where are

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Speaker 1: they tampered with? We're being told no, that's the biggest

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Speaker 1: clue we've got, other than some surveillance video and what

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Speaker 1: others have to say about the night Sudi just disappears

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Speaker 1: off the map.

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Speaker 3: Now, this is what her dad says.

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Speaker 5: Everything was going okay and she was really happy to

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Speaker 5: have a laication with that parents. The next day she

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Speaker 5: wanted to pover he excussion, and before that in the resort,

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Speaker 5: she was fine with the swimming pool.

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Speaker 3: That's our friends at ABC News.

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Speaker 1: This young girl a shining star University of Pittsburgh, her world.

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Speaker 3: In front of her.

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Speaker 1: We've been told she was studying premed, beautiful and brilliant.

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Speaker 1: Now all I've got left as a flip flop and

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Speaker 1: a sarong joining me in All Star panel to makes

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Speaker 1: sense of what we are learning right now. Straight out

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Speaker 1: to Emily Layman joining us Northern Virginia Local editor Patch

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Speaker 1: dot com, Emily, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: What happened? What happened that night?

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Speaker 6: Tadiksha was on a spring break trip with five female friends.

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Speaker 6: It was reported that she got there on March third,

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Speaker 6: and then she was last seen in the early morning

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Speaker 6: of March sixth. Yes, so they were at the Hotel

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Speaker 6: Rio Republica, which is a popular spring break bought in

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Speaker 6: Puntakana and the Dominican Republic. So surveillance footage shows that

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Speaker 6: she was headed to the beach with a group of friends,

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Speaker 6: and it was reported that there was a power outage

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Speaker 6: that prompted some of the hotel guests to go to

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Speaker 6: the beach in these early morning hours. But then the

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Speaker 6: surveillance footage shows that only some of that group returned

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Speaker 6: less than an hour later, and she was.

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Speaker 1: Not Some of that group does not include her. Take

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Speaker 1: a look at her, This beautiful young girl missing offspring break.

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Speaker 1: Dr now joining me special guest, Sheriff Mike Chapman. He

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Speaker 1: is joining us from Lauden County Sheriff's office. He is

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Speaker 1: the sheriff. And you may wonder what does Sheriff Mike

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Speaker 1: Chapman have to do with this that she goes missing

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Speaker 1: on spring break in the dr Sheriff Chapman, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us, tell me your involvement in her case.

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Speaker 7: Well, good to be with you, and yeah, she's a

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Speaker 7: resident of Loudon County. So we received the missing personal

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Speaker 7: report from her father on the evening of the sixth,

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Speaker 7: and immediately we got on that got ahold of the

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Speaker 7: embassy down there and started getting their involvement because we

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Speaker 7: want to find out, like everybody else, exactly what happened here.

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Speaker 7: We still consider her a missing person. We're doing everything

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Speaker 7: in our power to work with the authorities down there,

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Speaker 7: with the FBI, with other agencies that are working with

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Speaker 7: the Dominican Republic to see if we can bring this

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Speaker 7: thing to a successful conclusion so that she's a resident

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Speaker 7: of ours. We take every missing person seriously. I've had

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Speaker 7: an opportunity to meet with the father and you know,

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Speaker 7: throwing my heart goes out. They're going through just a

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Speaker 7: try to set of circumstances right now, and we're doing

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Speaker 7: everything that we can to try to work with them,

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Speaker 7: with our Victim Assistants unit to kind of help with that,

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Speaker 7: as well as doing everything we can to assist with

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Mike Chapman joining me from lowd County Sheriff's. This

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Speaker 1: young girl is a resident along with her family there

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Speaker 1: and Sheriff. I can't imagine much worse than your child

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Speaker 1: going missing, and then your child going missing in another

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Speaker 1: jurisdiction across the ocean. You know, it seems like it's

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Speaker 1: a hop skipping a jump from the US, and it

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Speaker 3: It's a world away.

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Speaker 1: Their law enforcement is different, the way they process crime scenes,

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Speaker 1: their interaction with victims, family and sheriff.

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Speaker 3: It's conjuring up horrible image.

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Speaker 1: Of another young girl that goes on spring break and

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Speaker 8: Listen tells me she doesn't want me to feel her up.

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Speaker 8: I insist I keep feeling her up either way, and

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Speaker 8: she needs me a sense of needing me in the crotch.

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Speaker 8: Once she needs me in the crotch, I get up

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Speaker 8: on the beach and I kick her extremely hard in

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Speaker 8: the face. Yeah, she's laying down unconscious, possibly even even dead,

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Speaker 8: but definitely unconscious. And I see right next to her,

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Speaker 8: a there's a huge cinder block laying on the beach.

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Speaker 1: Just hearing the voice of your Vanderslout, the judge's son

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Speaker 1: that murdered Natalie. It gives me a physical response. Now

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Speaker 1: that is the backdrop in everybody's mind in the search

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Speaker 1: for this beautiful young University Pittsburgh student.

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Speaker 9: You know, Sheriff.

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Speaker 3: Chapman, that has to be on your mind. If she did,

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Speaker 3: is she a lot?

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Speaker 1: Are we ever going to get an answer because we

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Speaker 1: never found Natalie's body, Well, of course.

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Speaker 7: It is, and everything's a possibility right now. That's why

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Speaker 7: we send investigators down there to actually get a first

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Speaker 7: hand account with Joshua Revey, the last person that we

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Speaker 7: know was with her, to try to get his side

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Speaker 7: of the story. There were some inconsistencies that surfaced kind

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Speaker 7: I think those inconsistencies were minor and they probably had

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Speaker 7: more to do with the translation from me at least

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Speaker 7: to Spanish and vice versa. But that's why we sent

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Speaker 7: people down. We want to make sure we get in

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Speaker 7: we just want to make sure that we don't leave

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Speaker 7: any stone unturned and we are concerned obviously, and we

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Speaker 7: this very challenging and difficult situation.

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you something, Sheriff Mike Chapman. I

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Speaker 1: am so heartened and relieved that you have sent your

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Speaker 1: people down there. I have study cases in the islands,

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Speaker 1: including in Mexico as well, and it's a whole another system.

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Speaker 1: It's a whole another variety of law enforcement there, and

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Speaker 1: knowing that your people are there now the FBI has

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that the main person of interest as he

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Speaker 1: is now called, has given several different statements, But after

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Speaker 3: Let's listen.

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Speaker 9: In the first version of Reeby's account, he tells police

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Speaker 9: he and Kanonkey went into the water. He swallowed water

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Speaker 9: from the rough surf, which made him throw up, so

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Speaker 9: he went back to shore, but before leaving he asked

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Speaker 9: the shore and threw up and laid down.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's just analyze that, okay, joining me as I

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Speaker 1: said an all star panel back to Sheriff Mike Chapman

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Speaker 1: that is his as it is called his first statement.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree that that generally is his first statement?

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Speaker 7: That seems to be yes, that would be his first statement,

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Speaker 7: and that seems to be pretty consistent with what he

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's take a listen to his so called second statement.

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Speaker 4: In Joshua Reebe's second version of events, he claims he

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Speaker 4: and Sadiksha are in waste deep water where they are

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Speaker 4: he grabs Kanaki and holds her under his arm as

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Speaker 4: he tries to swim back to shore, all the while

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's analyze what we're hearing. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you have ever found this to be true. Joining me

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Speaker 1: high profile lawyer Eric Fattus, trial lawyer, TV Legal analysts

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Speaker 1: founding partner Varner Fattus Elite Legal Eric statements disturbed me

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Speaker 1: when I find a discrepancy, a conflict now upon questioning,

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Speaker 1: and they've been questioning this guy for hours and hours

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Speaker 3: He's the last one with her.

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Speaker 1: Everybody else leaves and leaves him, much like in the

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Speaker 1: Nalie Holloway case, everybody her friends left her, the Calpo

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Speaker 3: On the beach, and she's never seen again.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So with that as a backdrop, his story changed,

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Speaker 1: your Vanderschlup's story changed dramatically. It was full of conflicts,

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Speaker 1: full discrepancies. But when you ask questions somebody for hours

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Speaker 1: first time not necessarily a conflict.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Nancy, And looking at both statements, you know the

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Speaker 10: second statement has significantly more detail. It kind of tells

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Speaker 10: more of a harrowing story of rescuing her from the sea,

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Speaker 10: which wasn't entirely present in the first statement. It's my

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Speaker 10: understanding that being said, like you mentioned, when there are

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Speaker 10: multiple interviews, it's not uncommon for additional details to come

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Speaker 10: are new questions that are being asked, their other details

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Speaker 10: the investigators have that they are prying into, and so

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Speaker 10: it's not entirely uncommon, and my read on it is

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Speaker 3: Hmmm, okay, I want to believe you. I want to

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Speaker 3: believe the sheriff and.

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Speaker 1: Impute nothing but good intentions on everyone. But when you

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Speaker 1: look at the two statements, I mean, it just seems

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Speaker 1: to me. Let me go straight out to Ben Dobrain

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Speaker 1: joining me Emergency Medical Service, Marine Dive Team. Ben. It

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Speaker 1: seems to me that if I had grabbed somebody, which

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Speaker 1: I have with both.

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Speaker 3: Of my children, by the way, on separate occasions.

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Speaker 1: And pulled them to shore, that I would have mentioned

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Speaker 1: they're kissing and making out in waste deep water. A

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Speaker 1: You know, Sheriff, you've got a great record, You're beloved

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Speaker 6: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: You know, I started writing a book, Don't Be a Victim.

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Speaker 1: I practically had to write a whole chapter for Pete's sake.

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Speaker 1: You think they've got touched DNA? You think they know

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Speaker 3: Or anything remotely like what we have developed in the

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Speaker 1: Believe that their investigation even approaches what we would consider

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Speaker 7: Well, I'm retired from VA. I served three times overseas,

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Speaker 1: Okay, Sheriff Mike Chapman, You're you're being overly kind in

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Speaker 3: Has gone sideways.

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Speaker 11: Listen, when you say cinder block, I'm looking at the

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Speaker 8: Exact same cinder blocks. I see a huge cinder block

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Speaker 3: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Joining me, a longtime colleague and friend, Professor Forensis Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: star of a hit series of body Bags with Joseph Morgan.

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, you were with me in the courtroom there

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Speaker 3: And I went back to Aruba.

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Speaker 1: To try on our own to stir up find more clues,

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Speaker 1: more anything to help find Natalie. Your vander Slute was

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Speaker 1: We better go there and take over the investigation and

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Speaker 3: You really think, Joe.

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Speaker 12: Yeah. Pressure pressure, pressure is what has to constantly be

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Speaker 3: A spring break trip takes a turn.

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Speaker 2: For the worst when twenty year old University of Pittsburgh

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Speaker 3: We're friends.

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Speaker 1: See that video one more time. I want to make

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Speaker 3: Let's just start it over one more time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, you are seeing more from our friends at

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Speaker 1: SI N. Take a look at this. Now we are

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Speaker 1: seeing the two of them walking. Okay, Now I understand

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Speaker 1: that this is after There they are, Yes, there they are,

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Speaker 1: and that is consistent with what he was wearing when

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Speaker 1: he was vomiting. Remember in that video you see the

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Speaker 1: white sneakers, the white sox, the shorts, and the backpack.

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Speaker 1: That's why we believe that was him vomiting at a

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Speaker 1: trash can outside.

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Speaker 3: Now you've got another view.

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Speaker 1: This is for our friends at SIN surveillance video catching

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Speaker 1: there you see the group, they're all walking to the.

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Speaker 3: Beach, arm in arm there you go. Now what happened

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Speaker 3: after that?

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Speaker 1: To doctor Chloe Carmichael, joining US clinical psychologist and author

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Speaker 1: of Nervous Energy Harness the pair of your anxiety, and

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Speaker 1: you can find her on Twitter at doctor Chloe Doctor Chloe.

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Speaker 1: As Sheriff Mike Chapman was saying earlier, it feels like

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Speaker 1: the US, and that gives you the suggestion of safety,

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Speaker 1: that you understand what's around you, that you understand what's happening. Typically,

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Speaker 1: you go into a bar and you're dancing and have

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Speaker 1: a good time with your friends. In the US, it's

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Speaker 1: unlikely it happens, but it's unlikely you're going to get

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Speaker 1: drug to start throwing up. It's unlikely you're going to

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Speaker 1: be separated from your friends. It can happen, but you're functioning.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's because you're on vacation. I'm not sure what

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Speaker 1: it is. Your defenses are down and you're functioning in

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Speaker 1: a bubble.

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Speaker 13: Explain that, Yeah, Nancy, I agree, there's something really strange.

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Speaker 13: You know, even for spring break, it's definitely noteworthy that

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Speaker 13: they're sitting there at a bar with their friends, everyone's

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Speaker 13: dressed up, looking nice, and then they're literally sitting there puking,

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Speaker 13: but they don't even seem bothered by it. It really

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Speaker 13: does point to a serious possibility of you know, maybe

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Speaker 13: taking ecstasy or drugs where you kind of expect to

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Speaker 13: throw up before you then start to feel good. And

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Speaker 13: it makes me wonder. Since that young man pictured obviously

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Speaker 13: appears to be a wrestler, I wonder if he's on

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Speaker 13: a wrestling scholarship. I wonder if that's holding him back

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Speaker 13: from coming forward and saying, yeah, I was taking illegal

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Speaker 13: drugs and there was you know, I didn't intend to

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Speaker 13: hurt her, but you know, something went wrong with the drugs,

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Speaker 13: and maybe he's concerned about losing his scholarship. I'm not

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Speaker 13: sure because she doesn't fit the profile of a serial

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Speaker 13: risk seeker, right. You know, she's very organized, she's in

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Speaker 13: a pre med program. She's only there on a vacation,

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Speaker 13: so something about it definitely seems strange. I would also

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Speaker 13: be curious since he says that he went and fell

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Speaker 13: asleep in a chair. That doesn't sound like somebody who's

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Speaker 13: guilty and trying to evade the scene of a crime.

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Speaker 13: We have a lot of video of him before the incident.

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Speaker 13: I'm curious about the first time that he appears on

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Speaker 13: video after the disappearance.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you, now, this is what he says happens.

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Speaker 9: Listen after the night on the beach Kanaki's friends go

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Speaker 9: on an excursion that Kanaki had not signed up for,

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Speaker 9: so they don't miss her. As they head out at

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Speaker 9: eight fifty five am, Joshua Reebe returns to his hotel

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Speaker 9: room alone, without his shoes or his shirt. It's only

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Speaker 9: after Sidekha's friends return that afternoon they realized they don't

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Speaker 9: know where Sidekha is. Tracking down Joshua Reebe, he says

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Speaker 9: he passed out on the beach and when he awoke,

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Speaker 9: he was alone and went to his hotel room, assuming

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Speaker 9: Kanaki had already done the same. But it's been twelve

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Speaker 9: hours since she was last seen.

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Speaker 1: Now I want to look at the video again. But

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Speaker 1: to Eric Fattus, what about a cell phone?

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Speaker 10: The cell phone is always a critical piece of evidence

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Speaker 10: in a case like this. It needs to be looked

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Speaker 10: into a little more further. I think when you look

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Speaker 10: at that video that we just saw of the two

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Speaker 10: walking near the hotel at night, really has what appears

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Speaker 10: to be a cell phone in his hands, sort of

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Speaker 10: documenting what's going on, common sense would tell us that

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Speaker 10: that could be his cell phone. But later in some

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Speaker 10: reports I've read, he tells police that after he's at

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Speaker 10: the beach, he goes back to his own room to

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Speaker 10: get his cell phone. So when did he drop it off?

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Speaker 10: Is there some sort of evidence of that, did someone

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Speaker 10: go with him? Is there a witness statement to corroborate that.

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Speaker 10: What is going on with the cell phone? And what

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Speaker 10: might it show about what happened?

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Speaker 1: We're learning, good point, Eric Fattus, we're learning more about

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Speaker 1: the timeline now the vomiting, the vomiting video.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there it is.

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Speaker 1: There's what we believe is his cell phone, you're right, Eric,

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Speaker 1: And it looks like he's videoing a selfie video.

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Speaker 3: You're right? Is that his? Or is that hers? And

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Speaker 3: has her cell phone been found?

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Speaker 1: The vomiting incident is around four five am?

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Speaker 3: Okay, now listen to this.

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Speaker 14: CCTV helps shot a timeline for Joshua Rebeat starting around

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Speaker 14: four am, when he is seen with his arm draped

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Speaker 14: around Sudeiksha Kanonkey as they are headed to the beach

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Speaker 14: at the resort. Joshua Rebe is spotted on CCTV walking

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Speaker 14: back alone from the beach at eight fifty five am.

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Speaker 14: Suditsha is not seen on CCTV returning from the beach.

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Speaker 1: So we've got four to five they're throwing up and

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Speaker 1: walking toward the beach. And now look at this shot.

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Speaker 1: This is the shot we're talking about eight fifty five

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Speaker 1: between four five am and eight fifty five am, this happens, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Mike Chapman.

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Speaker 7: Way in, Well, I can tell you you know, we're

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Speaker 7: we are looking at the phones. We have the numbers.

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Speaker 7: There's there is work that's being done on that. I

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Speaker 7: can't really go into the detail on that. We do

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Speaker 7: have some extensive investigation that's being done on that, and

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Speaker 7: that's going to take a little a little bit of

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Speaker 7: time to get that information back. But it's not it's

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Speaker 7: not anything that's been an oversight on the investigator's part. Again,

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Speaker 7: working with the FBI, work come with our counterparts and

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Speaker 7: trying to do the best we can to get as

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Speaker 7: much information as we can with regards to the phones.

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Speaker 1: Will you say, as much information as you can regarding

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Speaker 1: the phone, Sheriff Chapman. Have they found both of their phones?

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Speaker 7: Again, I can't really get into that. What I can

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Speaker 7: tell you is that we do have the numbers of

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Speaker 7: I believe everybody who is down there involved, and there

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Speaker 7: is there is some technical work that's being done on that.

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Speaker 7: But again that's you know, it's it's part of the

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Speaker 7: ongoing investigation, and really we can't really discuss a whole

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Speaker 7: lot more.

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Speaker 1: After careful analysis, there's not that much difference in what

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Speaker 1: he's saying in his multiple versions. Also, according to a

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Speaker 1: Kanukie family friend, he was very helpful.

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Speaker 3: Listen to what they told our friends at ABC.

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Speaker 5: We walked to the beach along with the boy, and

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Speaker 5: the boy helped us, and he was annoying us kind

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Speaker 5: of like what really happened and.

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Speaker 3: Where he was our friends at ABC.

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Speaker 2: The investigation intensifies for missing twenty year old Pittsburgh student

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Speaker 2: Sudiksha Kanukey last.

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Speaker 14: Seen him on the beach well on a spring.

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Speaker 3: Break trip with friends. Where is Sudiksha? How is it?

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Speaker 1: She goes out to the beach, she is kissing a

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Speaker 1: guy and about waste deep water, and suddenly she's washed

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Speaker 1: out to see rebe the well. It's the so called

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Speaker 1: person of interest. But now we're learning that dr is

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Speaker 1: backtracking saying he's not really a person of interest, he's

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Speaker 1: a witness. Now I find that really interesting that they're

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Speaker 1: holding him there. He can't believe they've got his passport yet.

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Speaker 1: He's just a witness. Let me ask you about that,

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Speaker 1: Earv Brant. Now I am transposing the US justice system

581
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Speaker 1: onto the dr which was anything but true. But you

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Speaker 1: have to be a POI or a suspect or be

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Speaker 1: named a material witness by a court before you can

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Speaker 1: have your passport taken, seized and forced to stay there.

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Speaker 3: At least that's a law in the US.

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Speaker 15: What's happening, Well, it's exactly what you said, Nancy. We

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Speaker 15: view these things as we would view them in the US,

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Speaker 15: which once you leave the US, it's completely different. Their country,

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Speaker 15: their rules.

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Speaker 3: And not in a good way or not in a

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Speaker 3: good way.

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Speaker 15: No, I no, I agree in most cases, Nancy, I

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Speaker 15: worked extensively outside of the country, and it's very frustrating.

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Speaker 15: But each country has their own way of doing things.

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Speaker 15: And if they take his passport, then they take his

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Speaker 15: passport and he can leave until they tell him he

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Speaker 15: can leave.

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Speaker 1: I've never accused you of putting perfume on the pig,

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Speaker 1: but I guess I'll have to do it for the

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Speaker 1: first time right now. Or every country has their own

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Speaker 1: way of doing things, you mean, their own way of

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Speaker 1: botching up an investigation.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be a little more accurate, just like Innaruba.

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Speaker 15: Yes, that would be more accurate, Nancy, I'm being far

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Speaker 15: too nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: Because every hour counts if she is still alive, and

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Speaker 1: there is that possibility anything could have happened to.

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Speaker 3: Her, our counts and while we.

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Speaker 1: Are tiptoeing around the fact that the d are screwing

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Speaker 1: this up, that's one more hour.

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Speaker 3: Lost Earth, one more hour.

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Speaker 1: Thank Heaven, Chapman, send his people down in the FBI

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Speaker 1: are involved.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Joe Scott helped me out. Am I just

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Speaker 3: screaming down the window going down Third Avenue.

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Speaker 1: Every hour counts here, and we can't rely on the

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Speaker 1: DR to do anything.

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Speaker 12: One of the biggest concerns for me, Nancy, is the

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Speaker 12: idea that this is not like a broad spectrum approach

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Speaker 12: relative to an investigation. If they're only focused on this

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Speaker 12: one kid here, this one guy they that she was

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Speaker 12: last seen with, you're going to miss other things along

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Speaker 12: the way. I have a real issue with both of these,

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Speaker 12: both of these individuals almost throwing up simultaneously.

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Speaker 11: At that bar.

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Speaker 12: I want to know if there's any other kind of

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Speaker 12: illness that could be associated there on there, and I

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Speaker 12: want to know if anybody's been following this.

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Speaker 1: Scott, do you recall the extensive investigation we did into

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Speaker 1: alcohol poisoning at these all inclusive result resorts that have

632
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Speaker 1: ended in the deaths of several Americans. You go to

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Speaker 1: a bar, you have something to drink. Is bootleg whiskey

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Speaker 1: put in a US model? Okay, it might say seagrums

635
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: or something else on the front, but you're getting some

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Speaker 1: hooch made in somebody's garage.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's happening.

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Speaker 12: Dave and I just covered cases out of Southeast Asia

639
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 12: involved in methanol and they are a huge group of

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Speaker 12: these cases that have happened in Turkey as well, Nancy,

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Speaker 12: where you're not using ethanol, which is what we consume

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Speaker 12: alcohol was, they make bootleg hoots or bathtub gin out

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Speaker 12: of methanol, which is very, very dangerous stuff. I want

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Speaker 12: to know if there's any other instances down in the

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Speaker 12: dr at this specific resort that have led and it

646
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Speaker 12: can lead to things like blindness, nausea, and ultimately death.

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Speaker 12: I want to know if anybody else was presenting that

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Speaker 12: way that night. That's what I mean by broad spectrum here.

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Speaker 12: You can't just narrow your focus down to this one event.

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Speaker 12: We want to know what else was going on around

651
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Speaker 12: them that night. And again, this could be a PR

652
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Speaker 12: nightmare for the dr if there is any kind of

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Speaker 12: problem with an alcohol down all right, Like it was.

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Speaker 1: A PR nightmare for Aruba when Natalie went missing, Tourism

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Speaker 1: from the US skyrocketed. Okay, So when you don't know

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Speaker 1: a horse, look at the track record. When you don't

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Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen, look at what already did happen.

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Speaker 3: But I agree with you, Joe Scott. We can't get

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Speaker 3: total vision on Rebet. Now. Yes, I've got a problem

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Speaker 3: with him. Of course I've got a problem with him.

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Speaker 1: He's the last one with a girl in all I've

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Speaker 1: got is a flip flop and a sarong.

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Speaker 3: He's the last one with her.

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Speaker 1: And his story is all over the map, not necessarily

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Speaker 1: consistent though, So yes, looking at him, but total vision

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Speaker 1: is not going to help find her. And as a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, this is what people that know Rebee

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Speaker 1: have to say.

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Speaker 3: Josh was just so polite.

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Speaker 6: He was a good teammate in sports, and he was

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Speaker 6: part of the boy scout troop.

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Speaker 3: Never heard a girl.

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Speaker 10: You know, I don't know what happened, but there's no

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Speaker 10: way he would have intentionally been any part of any

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Speaker 10: scheme to do something to her.

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Speaker 3: From our friends at GMA.

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Speaker 2: Authorities are looking at on Iowa Man, believed to be

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Speaker 2: the last person to see missing University of Pittsburgh students

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Speaker 2: Sudiksha Kanunki.

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Speaker 3: Also under the microscope. Two then MO payments.

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Speaker 1: One we don't know exactly what it is, but Sudiksha

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Speaker 1: put an emoji of a sailboat beside the venmo payment.

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Speaker 3: You know, you can put a little.

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Speaker 1: Message in there, And the other one is to replaced

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Speaker 1: Coco Bongo. To Emily Layman, joining from past dot Com,

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Speaker 1: explain to me about the two venmos and where they

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Speaker 1: fit into the timeline.

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Speaker 6: They fit in the timeline because those are the last

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Speaker 6: Venmo transactions that she had, and these are you know,

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Speaker 6: you think, payments that she would send between friends for

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Speaker 6: the activities that they were doing when they were on

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Speaker 6: their spring break trip. But one of them, of course,

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Speaker 6: you don't really know much about because all it has

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Speaker 6: is a sailboat emoji and we don't really know much

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Speaker 6: information about who that went to. And then the other one,

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Speaker 6: of course, you know, I went to who was confirmed

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Speaker 6: to be a friend with her on the trip, but

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Speaker 6: we don't know who else was at that nightclub.

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Speaker 1: The thinking is the sailboat emerging emoji indicates it could

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Speaker 1: have been an excursion. And like doctor Chloe Carmichael was

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Speaker 1: telling us earlier, you kind of suspend your reality. You're

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Speaker 1: functioning under the illusion that you're safe. You made it guy,

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Speaker 1: and you immediately go for a walk on the beach

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Speaker 1: and go out in the water with him alone.

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Speaker 3: Why why?

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Speaker 1: Of course she's young, but it's happened before, and not

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Speaker 1: just with Natalie Holloway.

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Speaker 16: Robin Gardner needed a get away. Gardner it had met

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Speaker 16: Gary Giordano on match dot com a year before. Friends

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Speaker 16: say the two weren't super close and had a platonic relationship,

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Speaker 16: but stayed in contact via email. When the invitation came,

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Speaker 16: Robin said yes, and the pair arrived in a Ruba

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Speaker 16: July thirty.

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Speaker 14: First.

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Speaker 17: I was told that she was lost at sea, and

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Speaker 17: I just found that very surprising because I know that

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Speaker 17: she really doesn't swim or get into the water because

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Speaker 17: she has extensions and.

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Speaker 11: Her makeup and got all called up and she.

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Speaker 17: Just didn't want to ruin that.

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Speaker 1: And that was Robin's sister talking to me and apparently

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Speaker 1: with Robin Gardner's case, she just washed out to see okay,

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Speaker 1: although she would never have gotten in the water after

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Speaker 1: just having.

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Speaker 3: Her hair done. And there's more. What about Wesley Bell?

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Speaker 9: TeX's native Wesley Bell is in the Bahamas, tending a

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Speaker 9: yoga retreat on Paradise Island in Nassau. The Seven Andra

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Speaker 9: Ashram Yoga Retreat, Bahamas featured in The New York Times,

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Speaker 9: Gwyneth Paltrow's Goop and huff Post as a top travel destination.

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Speaker 9: Danielle Ward Packard, who was at the retreat at the

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Speaker 9: same time as Belle, says he walked off by himself

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Speaker 9: to snorkel one day and never returned. Searches are conducted,

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Speaker 9: but Belle is never found, and Taylor Casey Taylor Casey

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Speaker 9: goes missing from the same Behavian retreat. Casey disappears about

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Speaker 9: halfway through getting a yoga instructor's certification as seven Andro

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Speaker 9: on Ashram Yoga. Last scene at the Ashram, she's reported

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Speaker 9: missing after failing to show up for morning classes. Police

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Speaker 9: find her phone in the water days later, but haven't

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Speaker 9: been able to access its contents, and she remains missing.

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Speaker 1: To Sheriff Mike Chapman, how is it people just walk

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Speaker 1: out in the water and they're never seen again according

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Speaker 1: to reports.

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Speaker 3: Don't you find that disturbing, Sheriff?

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Speaker 7: Of course. I mean if if that was the case

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Speaker 7: in this case, I mean, you know, you certainly would

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Speaker 7: hope for a recovery, a quick recovery. But that hasn't happened.

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Speaker 7: So that's why we can't really jump on a conclusion

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Speaker 7: ship jamply. Yeah, it's a shame, but it does happen

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Speaker 7: from time to time.

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Speaker 1: I wish I had better answers tonight, Sheriff. Usually the

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Speaker 1: facts are more clearly defined, but this is just too

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Speaker 1: murky to make a call. But what we do know

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Speaker 1: is this young girl pre med Suditsha is gone. Tip

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Speaker 1: line Local number seven zero three seven seven seven one

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Speaker 1: zero two one repeat. This is Sheriff Mike Chapman's number

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Speaker 1: seven zero three seven seven seven one zero two one.

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Speaker 3: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,