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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to an whole new episode of Legally

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Speaker 1: Brunette presents Till Death Do Us Part. If you have

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Speaker 1: just started listening to this and you hadn't listened to

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Speaker 1: our first episode, it's on Betty Broderick. I had so

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Speaker 1: many people DM me after we did that episode.

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Speaker 2: Like what like about what? Well?

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Speaker 1: A lot of women And this is what we talked

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Speaker 1: about with Betty Broderick where I was saying, remember she

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Speaker 1: had a hung jury. I was saying, the reason she

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Speaker 1: had a hung jury is because there were women on

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Speaker 1: that jury who sympathized with her even though she brutally

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Speaker 1: murdered her husband and his new wife. I'm telling you

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Speaker 1: there were women that were, like, I get it.

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Speaker 2: How many of those jurors went home and started smacking

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Speaker 2: their husband around?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly. So I'm just saying it's a very

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Speaker 1: interesting case. So if you guys haven't had the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to listen to it, please do. Also, you can find

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Speaker 1: this please follow Legally Brunette and you can find us

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Speaker 1: anywhere you listen to podcasts. So today, on Till Death

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Speaker 1: Do Us Part, we are going to discuss the very

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Speaker 1: famous case of Chris Watts. And Shanan Watts. So the

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Speaker 1: Watts family murders took place on August thirteenth of twenty

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Speaker 1: eighteen in Frederick, Colorado.

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Speaker 2: There's a Netflix yes special. It's a few years old,

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Speaker 2: but it's still relevant. And the entire documentary or video

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Speaker 2: is bodycam footage and security footage. And Shanan did a

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Speaker 2: lot of back in the day vlogging and facebooking, so

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Speaker 2: it's a lot of showing that side of the family

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Speaker 2: and all that. So I remember when I watched it

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Speaker 2: a number of years ago, I found it fascinating that

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Speaker 2: it was like you were watching real footage, not interviews,

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Speaker 2: not after the fact, and you were almost following it

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Speaker 2: in order real footage canage. So anyway, it was probably

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Speaker 2: one of the best documentaries that I've watched because it's

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Speaker 2: just it's not put together with new production. It's just

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Speaker 2: captured footage and they put it together and that's great.

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Speaker 1: The Netflix documentary that Shane is referring to is called

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Speaker 1: American Murder The Family next.

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Speaker 2: Door Worth watching.

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Speaker 1: It is very good and it also reminds me of

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Speaker 1: the Susan Lawnz case, which was all that's when when

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Speaker 1: she shot her neighbor family shot her neighbor. Remember this

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Speaker 1: crazy woman, Susan Lawrence, the crazy neighbor that comparted.

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Speaker 2: I would say all the time this video was better

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Speaker 2: in the sense that it was more like you're watching

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Speaker 2: it like that was a little bit chaotic because there

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Speaker 2: Bodycam footage only captured like some parts. This is like

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Speaker 2: almost like there was drone footage everywhere capturing everything. But

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Speaker 2: the murders.

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Speaker 1: Well, and the fact that Shanan was of logger and

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Speaker 1: covered so much of their intimate day to day life

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Speaker 1: and family, and that was added in so that you

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Speaker 1: her mind and things. That makes it really good. The

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Speaker 1: family murders took place on August thirteen of twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: This is in Frederick, Colorado, and resulted in the deaths

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Speaker 1: of Shenanne Watts, who was also fifteen weeks pregnant at

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Speaker 1: the time. She was pregnant with a boy, and her daughters,

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Speaker 1: Bella and Celeste, and.

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Speaker 2: Their ages four and three, oh three and four ages

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Speaker 1: The case drew widespread attention, particularly after investigators uncovered that

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Speaker 1: Shanan's husband and the father to the girls, had been

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Speaker 1: involved in an affair and had given inconsistent explanations about

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Speaker 1: what had happened. Ultimately, Christopher Watts this is the dad,

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Speaker 1: confessed to killing Shanan during an argument about their relationship

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Speaker 1: the crime. He also initially lied about that too, but

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll get to that. So let's just do

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Speaker 1: a little timeline background. This is twenty ten to twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 1: So Chris Watts and Shinanne Rusick were connected through Facebook

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Speaker 1: after he sent her a friend request. They got married

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Speaker 1: on November third, twenty twelve, in Charlotte, North Carolina. They

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Speaker 1: later settled into a five bedroom home in Frederick, Colorado,

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Speaker 1: valued at around four hundred thousand. I also read that

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Speaker 1: She was like sales, sales, but it was an MLM,

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Speaker 1: That's wow, how he knew where those wells and tanks

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Speaker 2: Oh the good old days. Duel income.

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Speaker 2: This was twenty eighteen was the one was worth eight million.

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Speaker 1: Chris worked as an operator at Anadarko Petroleum, and Shanan

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Speaker 1: I was sure that's the kind of sales job that

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to take that away from her. She

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Speaker 1: So their children were Bella Marie Watts, which was born

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Speaker 1: She was born December seventeenth, twenty thirteen. You know when

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Speaker 1: and bell was born in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: She was She asked me a question.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I didn't ask you. I'm telling you. Annabel

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Speaker 2: You're kind of putting yourself in that time. Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 1: Thinking this child would be turning thirsty.

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Speaker 2: I always do that. Every time I see a date,

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Speaker 1: So when I saw that this child was born in

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Speaker 1: July seventeenth in twenty fifteen, which is the same year

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Speaker 1: our boys were born. Oh yeah, and Nico Lee Watts,

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Speaker 1: which was the unborn son. Shenanne was about fifteen weeks

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Speaker 1: that the couple, oh, the couple did was having financial troubles,

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Speaker 1: which I'm sure added a lot of stress. Idea. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So in twenty fifteen, the couple filed for Chapter seven bankruptcy,

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Speaker 2: Is kind of question if that's if that's true, if

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Speaker 2: that was her point of view for all those times

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Speaker 2: she's posting those videos, Yeah, great, But if not, then

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Speaker 2: you kind of wonder, like how much is it? Like

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Speaker 2: or wishful thinking.

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Speaker 1: Or wishful thinking, you never know. That's why it's hard

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Speaker 1: to know when I always feel like when couples post

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Speaker 2: We only post the highlights.

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Speaker 1: I always I always feel like when couples post a

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Speaker 1: they are right, because I never post about us and

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Speaker 1: Shane Shane, it.

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Speaker 2: Would be a lot of self incriminating evidence if you

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Speaker 2: post it stuff about us.

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Speaker 1: Also, Shane is probably the only person on TV who

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Speaker 1: doesn't have social media. He has He actually does have

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Speaker 2: Maybe he got on the show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the last post was when I started

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Speaker 2: I don't know, because then I'll post something and then

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Speaker 2: you'd be like, why do you post this? Why don't

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Speaker 2: you post that? Why they did not? Yes, I stopped posting.

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Speaker 1: No, but I will tell you I bet you have

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Speaker 1: If you go look at your Instagram right now, I

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Speaker 1: bet you have eight billion friend requests.

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Speaker 2: Oh probably, Well they're not really my friends. Yeah, it's like,

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Speaker 2: what is he doing over there?

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Speaker 1: On June eleven, twenty eighteen, Shenan surprised Chris with news

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Speaker 1: So when she tells him that she's pregnant, he's probably like, now,

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Speaker 2: That's gonna be an extra murder charge? Okay, I just

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Speaker 2: hold on. Okay, it was flash. My last post was

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Speaker 1: You posted in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: And I posted that with three daughters, and I said,

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Speaker 2: I'm grateful for my daughters to have each other, to

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Speaker 1: That's cute.

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Speaker 2: And then's tag gift thanks.

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Speaker 1: Oh you did a hashtag?

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Speaker 2: Well that was a church thing. They asked us to

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Speaker 1: Oh and you posted once.

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Speaker 2: No, that was the last one I posted.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, can you tell how many people do? Can

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Speaker 1: you tell how many friends requests you have?

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Speaker 2: I got spend time doing that.

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Speaker 1: June seventeenth, this is Father's Day. She publicly praised him

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Speaker 1: in another social media post, but behind the scenes, friends

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Speaker 1: you go. I think she's putting up a brave front, yeah,

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Speaker 1: for her followers, and.

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Speaker 2: You know probably and you can't falter. I mean, he's

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Speaker 2: not gonna go on there and talk about how you

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Speaker 2: know what piece of crappy is or anything.

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Speaker 1: Right, So, in June of twenty eighteen, Chris began communicating

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Speaker 1: with coworker Nicole Kessinger. By early July, the relationship had

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Speaker 1: become physical. Kessinger claims that Chris told her he was

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Speaker 1: nearly divorced, and later claims the divorce was finalized.

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Speaker 2: Nearly divorce is not dating material.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, that's a red flag. They always say

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Speaker 1: if someone this is the other one. We're not sleeping together.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we haven't slept together for a long time.

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Speaker 1: We're sleeping in separate badger rooms and we're near early divorce, right.

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Speaker 1: Or we're just together for the kids, but we don't

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Speaker 1: pay any attention to it. We're just like roommates, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think those are all red flags.

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Speaker 2: Like just but please don't call my main number phone, right,

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Speaker 2: he's this burner number.

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Speaker 1: But text messages between the two of them don't support

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Speaker 2: I heard that term touching grass, touch grass. You never

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Speaker 2: So this is very similar to Lacy Peterson and Scott Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Not missing personal belongings, just her and the kids. Is vanished.

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Speaker 1: Right because she had some affair and she was so

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Speaker 1: I'm out of here. Yeah, just like Susan Powell. Right, yep.

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Speaker 2: basically like, I gotta run a few rands and I'll

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Speaker 2: So then it's like, what did he do? He probably

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Speaker 1: So inside the home, officers found Shenan's purse and phone

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Speaker 1: Chris claimed that he left for work around five to

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Speaker 1: Him being interrogated. I mean, I don't know how how

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Speaker 2: I don't know. And the cops were kind of winking

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about So my favorite part of the

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Speaker 2: Well, they start knocking doors right because.

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Speaker 1: They're they're asking for footage too, right, you have. So

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Speaker 2: Hey, I've got He's like, I got footage.

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Speaker 2: He had some issues with his truck or people taking

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Speaker 1: But this is my favorite part because not only does

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Speaker 1: He's like, here, let's put it on the big screen TV.

439
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

440
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,640
Speaker 1: So then you have footage like because of the cops

441
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,240
Speaker 1: body cam footage, you have footage of the big screen TV's.

442
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 2: He's rewinding and kind of fast forwarding to get to

443
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 2: the point of time that they're looking for Chris Watt.

444
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:39,159
Speaker 2: He's pacing, is standing next to the wedding bullets. He

445
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,639
Speaker 2: has his hand on his face all the time, and

446
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 2: he's pacing because he doesn't know what he's gonna see.

447
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 2: So then what we see is his truck backing up

448
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,480
Speaker 2: into the driveway and going kind of close to the

449
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,200
Speaker 2: garage or partially in the garage, so the beds butt

450
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 2: up against the garage door, and now you can't see

451
00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 2: the activity. And then you see him a little bit

452
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 2: going to like the driver's door. You don't see any bodies,

453
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 2: you don't see anything like that. You see him moving

454
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 2: her and then he's like, oh, I was taking my toolbox.

455
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 2: That was getting my lunch. And then he kept explaining

456
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 2: how his like his toolbox was heavy, and like all

457
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 2: these details that don't matter, like, who cares what's in

458
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 2: your toolbox, buddy, just say you did this, and then

459
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 2: you drove to work. But he was nervous. And then

460
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 2: the cops like, Okay, why don't you go back to

461
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 2: your house and give a report to my partner blah blah.

462
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 1: Blah, And then the cop and the neighbor.

463
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,679
Speaker 2: The neighbor was like, dude, that guy was shady, goes,

464
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if he saw that. He goes, something's

465
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,120
Speaker 2: wrong with that guy, and he was like calling him out,

466
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 2: and the cops like, I know, I know, I know. Yeah,

467
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 2: he's like I know.

468
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 1: I know.

469
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 2: I tell you though.

470
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 1: That's my favorite thing because it is real time footage

471
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,959
Speaker 1: of a man surfacing who killed his wife and two

472
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: children the night before and is now standing in his

473
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 1: neighbor's living room not knowing what got picked up on

474
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 1: the security camera when he put the bodies into the

475
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 1: bed of his truck, and it is about to pop

476
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 1: up on a big screen TV with a cop standing there,

477
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: and this man is literally about to crap his pants

478
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: and you get to see it, and it is great

479
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 1: to watch him because he.

480
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: Is cool because he was like, dude, he go that

481
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 2: guy is shady man. Something's wrong with him.

482
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: You know also that I don't know if you picked

483
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: up on, but before the security camera footage pops up

484
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: on that big screen TV at the neighbor's house. First

485
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: there is a commercial which shows a baby in a womb.

486
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: There's like a commercial and it has like a baby.

487
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: It shows a baby and like a woman's on his

488
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: TV screen, which is very odd because Shanan was pregnant.

489
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: Then after that it shows this weird scene from like

490
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: that show American Horror. You know what I'm talking about,

491
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: that show American Horror whatever something like that. But anyway,

492
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 1: it shows a dead body, like a skull in an

493
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: oil pit, which is it's all very very odd that

494
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: that pops up on the screen considering what we know,

495
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: into them after he removed the bodies. Anyway, I just

496
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: wanted to just put that into your mind so that

497
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: if you're watching the documentary evidence, it's not legal evidence.

498
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: It's just very odd and it's very coincidental and it's

499
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: very strange. So anyway, if you're watching the documentary, look

500
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: for those things. Look for Chris Watts about to lose

501
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: his mind, and look for the commercials that pop up

502
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: on the screen before the security footage coming.

503
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 2: I recall is now he's like the press is there

504
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 2: and he's doing like press interviews like oh please please

505
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: come home. We we you know, I miss you. And

506
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 2: it was so like fake. Yeah, I mean he was

507
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 2: just saying like please please come home, I love you,

508
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: and it was just so eerie because he was so fake.

509
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 2: He couldn't even like pretend to have him. He was

510
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: just calling out and missing her and wanting her back

511
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 2: and worried for her safety.

512
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: It's very much like Josh Powell, just like no emotion

513
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 1: at all.

514
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, except Josh Paul didn't. I don't remember a press

515
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 2: interview or he was doing that. He did do.

516
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: He talks a little bit, but he had no emotion

517
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: and there was and he didn't participate in like looking

518
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: for her or anything. So Chris Watts gets taken to

519
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: the police station. You can watch the interrogation. There's question,

520
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: they question him, he gets caught and lies. He says

521
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: he doesn't have an affair. He also later fails a

522
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 1: polygraph test, but I believe he fails it, like epically

523
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 1: fails it.

524
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know that. Yeah, take a female that

525
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: took it, I remember. And then she was just like

526
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 2: she tried to build rapport with him, right, but she

527
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: was him because I think there's like footage of her

528
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 2: talking to another investigator and they're just like yeah, they're

529
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 2: just calling him out like he's a crooked, he's murderer.

530
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: So then he asked to speak to his father, right,

531
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: he wants to have that sit down with his dad.

532
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think cops know, like let's bring in

533
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: a family.

534
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: Because they're hoping right open up, right. So he talks

535
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: to his dad and he admits to killing Shenan. But

536
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: he also this is his first story.

537
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: Well, let me give credit to the father, because the

538
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: father was like, come clean, dude. Yeah, he had the

539
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 2: tone of like, now's the chance, let's just do it.

540
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: Let's do it for them. He had wind of his

541
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: son knowing something, and he did the right thing by

542
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 2: getting him to Yeah.

543
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: But his first confession was not entirely true. He confessed

544
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: to killing Shenan. He said he wanted to divorce or

545
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: something like they got in a fight about the relationship,

546
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: so then she got mad at him and went and

547
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: killed the girls. And then he killed her because she

548
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: killed the girls. So that was like his first story, right,

549
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, like they had a fight

550
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: about divorcing, and then she got pissed and then she

551
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,719
Speaker 1: went and smothered the girl. Like if he saw her

552
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: smother the girls, he couldn't have dude, right, he's a

553
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: big guy, right, right.

554
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 2: In fact, that was the thing he started to work out,

555
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 2: right because he had the mistress. Well, I think then

556
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: he got the mistress, he started he started to kind

557
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: of work on himself. That's why I don't go to

558
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: the gym. I try to avoid temptation.

559
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: I thank you for I love you, I appreciate it.

560
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: Thank you. So that was his first story. Then he

561
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: eventually comes clean and admits that he killed Shannan and

562
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: he also killed the two girls. So finally Chris admitted

563
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: to the murders and told investigators that he put both

564
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,239
Speaker 1: of his hands around Shenan Watt's neck and strangled her

565
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: at their home. He said his wife never fought back

566
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 1: or screamed. I don't know. Was she asleep. That must

567
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: have been because she came home at two in the morning.

568
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: Well, then he has another account. Later he says that

569
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: they had sex.

570
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know that, he does.

571
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then she got heated or something. They got

572
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 2: in an argument and then he strangled her or whatever,

573
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: and he couldn't black down. He doesn't know. He couldn't

574
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: control himself. Oh, but that's all that stuff.

575
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: He couldn't control himself with the two daughters either. Then

576
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: he says his four year old daughter, Bella, walked into

577
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: their bedroom holding her blanket and asked what was wrong

578
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: with her mom. He told her that Shenan didn't feel well.

579
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: Chris dragged his lifeless wife down the stairs as Bella

580
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: watched and began to cry. He backed his truck into

581
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: the driveway. This is what got caught on the security

582
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: camera of the neighbors, right because they get a they

583
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: have the security camp catches him into his garage and.

584
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: Then going back and forth, but you don't see what

585
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: he's doing because one's on the far side of the.

586
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: Truck, so he can't see him bed.

587
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: You don't see the end of the tailgate or anything

588
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: to see what he's lowering around.

589
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: Also, anything claim that it was strange because he said

590
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: he'd never seen him back his truck into the garage before.

591
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: That was like a first yeah.

592
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: Then he then he kept saying how his toolbox was,

593
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 2: like he wouldn't stop with this toolboxing. It's like, okay, dude,

594
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: you put your toolbox in the truck.

595
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: Like, so he backs his truck into the driveway and

596
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: put his wife's body into the back seat on the floorboard.

597
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: He put both daughters and the back of his truck

598
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: on the bench.

599
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: Both daughters not yet dead.

600
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: That's an important detail, although it's a frightful and disgusting detail.

601
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: But at this point he has not killed the children yet.

602
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: He killed the wife put her into the bed part.

603
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 2: Then they wonder did he then kill the children because

604
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: he wanted to not have any family, or did he

605
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: kill the children thinking like they could test ye now

606
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: I don't know how to care for them, or like.

607
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: I don't know so from their house he drives away,

608
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: and he drove to the oil site where he had worked,

609
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: because you know what we talked about, how he worked

610
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: for that oil company. And during the ride, his daughters

611
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: dozed off and on and laid in each other's laps.

612
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: That's really hard to think about. At the oil site,

613
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: Watts told police that he took Shannan Watts's body out

614
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: of the truck and laid her on the ground near

615
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: where he ultimately buried her. Bella and Celeste were in

616
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: the back of the truck and asked him, what are

617
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: you doing to mommy? He doesn't remember what he told them.

618
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: According to his report, he buried Shanan and their unborn

619
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: son in a shallow grave. Then he strangled Bella and

620
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: Celeste with a blanket and hid their bodies inside.

621
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: Talk about it, but he did one and then the

622
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: second one showed fear and said, why are you going

623
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: to do that to me too, something to that effect,

624
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: because he says that those last words like haunt him

625
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: every single day, like well they should, that they should,

626
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying, like that's where it comes from.

627
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: It come from. He admitted, you know what it was said,

628
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: and then another thing, and then he puts them in

629
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: these above ground tinkers. Right. Yeah, he climbs like a

630
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: chute or something, dumps them down a chute and like

631
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: I think, as grisome as is, you really have to

632
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: shove them down as far as the size go. So

633
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: he was really wanting this to happen. And then when

634
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: they found out where she was buried, because he eventually

635
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,719
Speaker 2: comes clean about a lot of things, she was very

636
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: far from the tankers, the tanks, and he said because

637
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: he didn't want her, he was so hateful towards her.

638
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: He didn't even want her near the children.

639
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: Oh so even after they're dead, he's still veinge them

640
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: all together. How did he lead police back to Where

641
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: did he eventually lead police back to where her I.

642
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: Think I think his truck had you know, tracking, and

643
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: they saw where he wentz And then I think they

644
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: questioned the area and they were surveilling the area for

645
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: shallow graves. And I don't remember if they found hers

646
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: first or if he ended up admitting what happened, But

647
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: he eventually explains what he did in the order of events,

648
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: and they do find the body and the children.

649
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: Now we're in August twenty first of twenty eighteen, Chris

650
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: Watch is charged with multiple counts of first degree murder.

651
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: He also gets additional charges for unlawful termination of a

652
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: pregnancy and for tampering with the deceased human bodies. I

653
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: guess that's the transportation and burying and throwing them in

654
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: oil and all that. On November six of twenty eighteen,

655
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: he pleads guilty to the murders. That is an exchange

656
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Speaker 1: for not getting the death penalty. The death penalty. Actually,

657
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: the death penalty was not pursued by Shenan's parents. I

658
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: think they believed they made some type of statement that

659
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: another death wouldn't.

660
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: They didn't see that as any more justice than just lock.

661
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, although I'll tell you I looked

662
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: up if Colorado had the death penalty because I wanted

663
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: to know immediately when we were going to talk about

664
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: this case, because you know how we talked about with

665
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: Brian Coberger in the Idaho case. If anyone deserves the

666
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: death penalty, it would be him. So why the prosecution

667
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: took a plea deal?

668
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: Yes, you could say the same here then, So why

669
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: did the prosecution allow him to plea out?

670
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I also when I was looking up

671
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: the death penalty in Colorado. Colorado used to have the

672
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Speaker 1: death penalty. It was abolished in twenty twenty, but this

673
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: happened in twenty eighteen, so he would have been eligible

674
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Speaker 1: for the death penalty at that time. And I believe

675
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: they abolished it and twenty twenty the governor did. But

676
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it was retroactive. It was only and then.

677
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: They were like, well, no, I don't think it can

678
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: be right. Just the opposite is true too. If you

679
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: do something that's not a crime and then later it

680
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 2: becomes a crime, they can't retroactively right.

681
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: Right, So he would have been it because this occurred

682
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, so at that time he would have

683
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: been eligible for the death penalty. I believe. I guess

684
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: maybe the prosecution allowed him to escape the death penalty

685
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: because the other because the family on the other side

686
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: said that they I guess they weren't interested in pursuing that.

687
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: So you mentioned that went away in twenty twenty. It

688
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: makes me wonder too if they were kind of scaling back,

689
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: like they knew like like like the death penalty was

690
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: not a thing among the justice system there anyway, so

691
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: maybe they were kind of not really Oh, well, yeah,

692
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: that's true.

693
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: They might have started the legislation to abolish it prior.

694
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but anyway, nonetheless he gets life.

695
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: So on November nineteen, the twenty eighteen, Chris Watts was

696
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: sentenced to five life terms without parole. He received additional

697
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: decades for unlawful termination of pregnancy and tampering with the bodies,

698
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: and Shnan's parents filed a wrongful death lawsuit the same day.

699
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: You know, I never understood, I mean, he's in life,

700
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: he's I mean, he's in prison for life, the wrongful

701
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: death lawsuit against him. What is the expectation of that.

702
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: Maybe he has insurance and it's not you know, obviously

703
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: they would money isn't going to replace the kids. Maybe

704
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 2: they need something just to try to be able to

705
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: do things to you know, for their memory of their

706
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: grandchildren or who knows what. It's also like like the

707
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: OJ Simpson thing, it's like, well, what if one day

708
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: he has a windfall, then we can collect Oh you're.

709
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: Saying it's a lean basically of something. Okay. So then

710
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: in December of twenty eighteen, Chris Wats gets transferred to

711
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: the Dodge Correctional Institution and wop on Wisconsin for safety reasons.

712
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: I don't, probably because when you're a child killer. I've

713
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: always heard that there is like a hierarchy right in

714
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: prison and that I don't care how hardened of a

715
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: criminal you are. There's like, no, there's no, they don't

716
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: tolerate child molesters and child abusers and child killers.

717
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: It's kind of a hierarchy, right, And in a way,

718
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: the hierarchy serves the purpose of people thinking, I'm not

719
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: as bad as you, like I am in here, but

720
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: you're a piece of crap, right, like yeah, so there what.

721
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm saying it's like it's.

722
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: So then he's in like solitary or protective or something.

723
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: I don't care how hardened of a criminal you are.

724
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: And if you're on death row. But if you murdered

725
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, like it's I don't know, you murdered another

726
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: man or something, then it's not that's not as egregious.

727
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: But you can't or right, you know, it's like, okay,

728
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: but you cannot murder children, and you cannot sexually abuse children.

729
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: You cannot molest children, because then.

730
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: That's what And I'm sure they've all watched the documentary

731
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 2: so they know exactly who he is.

732
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: Oh, they'll know exactly who he is. You're right. And

733
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: February eighteenth of twenty nineteen, in a lengthy prison prison interview,

734
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: he admitted to killing his daughters and described the events

735
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: in detail. Then in November eighteenth of twenty nineteen, he

736
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 1: was ordered this is the civil suit. He was ordered

737
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: to pay si Ann's parents six million and a civil judgment.

738
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: The ruling prevents him from profiting from the crimes.

739
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: You know.

740
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: Also, I just saw something recently because I was researching

741
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: this case before we talked about it. He also has

742
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: written many many letters from prison and I to women.

743
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: He has a lot of women at pen pals. It's

744
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: those you know, we talked about this in other cases,

745
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: and especially when we did Wade Wilson about you know,

746
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: the women that just I don't know what it is,

747
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: but you know they want to be pen pals with

748
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: this guy, and you know he's looking to have another wife.

749
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: He'll probably get married at some point. I mean, there's

750
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: women out there that.

751
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: Are You can't have a conjugal visit though, no, but

752
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: usually if it's life because the you know, the whole

753
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: point of a conjugal visit is to have sex. No, well,

754
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: that's what happens. But what's the purpose. Well, why do

755
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: they allow it?

756
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: Why do they allow it to keep their prisoners happy?

757
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: I don't know.

758
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because that they're in the business of making

759
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: the prisoners happy. Yeah, it's to help them give them

760
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 2: purpose and something to look forward to to getting out.

761
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: So conjual visits aren't just in like a cell. Sometimes

762
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: they'll have like.

763
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: A an apartment.

764
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: So the idea is hopefully they can kind of look

765
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: forward to having this family, this union and things like

766
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: that and go out. So if you're in prison for

767
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: life without the possible a parole, then screw you. I mean,

768
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: what's the point of trying to get you.

769
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: So you're saying the conjugal visit is to inspire, like,

770
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: beyond your best behavior, you can get out someday. This

771
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: is what life is like.

772
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Then and then when you get out, then hopefully

773
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: you have the relationship with someone and you can move

774
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: in and blah blah blah.

775
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: Here's just a little sample of a letter he wrote.

776
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: It says, I was a good husband and father. Things

777
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: happened and I am no longer a good husband and father,

778
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: but I am still a good man. He's become very spiritual.

779
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: I guess he reads the Bible every day and he

780
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: writes a lot of things that are religious and spiritual.

781
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: But he doesn't have remorse and he doesn't take accountability.

782
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: He calls women and a lot of these letters that

783
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: he writes that go to other women or whatever, whoever

784
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: he's writing to. He blames his mistress. He calls her

785
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: a harlot. He calls her a whore.

786
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: He blames she like kind of duped him into like

787
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 2: she was like you know the she's the mastermind, right.

788
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: And she's a harlot and you know whatever. And so

789
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: he writes a lot about women, and he calls him

790
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: a lot of names, and he doesn't take a lot

791
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: of remark.

792
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: He's really struggling. Then, is he struggling or is it

793
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: like with with reality, like with what he did and

794
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: his mistress and the choices he made, and he's blaming

795
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: the whole women, you know, community or whatever.

796
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're whores and harlots.

797
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 2: You to pose as a female and write these people

798
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: and see and see what happens, see what it's like.

799
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: That'd be a whole other podcast. Yes, should I write

800
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: Wade Wilson and see what happens.

801
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: All of them should Okay, I don't know, you know,

802
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. You might inspire me to do that.

803
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: I'll do that with my free time. But you know

804
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: what's interesting when you think about.

805
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: It and then to escape and knock on her. Yeah,

806
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: I know, thanks forget that idea.

807
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: Okay. The interesting thing is that the fact that this

808
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: man is spending all this time being spiritual and reading

809
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: the Bible, and yet his takeaway is still to take

810
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: no accountability, to show no remorse.

811
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: Well, he's probably maybe the spirituality is justifying like I

812
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: am a good man, Isn't that what he's just saying?

813
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: He says, I'm a good man? Right, But to take

814
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: to be to spend that much time reading the Bible

815
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: and to be spiritual, and to not take away any

816
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: accountability from that, it's just the whores and Harlot's all right.

817
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: So the case has been the subject of multiple media portrayals,

818
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: and January twenty sixth of twenty twenty, Lifetime release a

819
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: dramatized film about the case. I'll tell you, I'm never

820
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: a big fan of dramatized I don't really like reenactments.

821
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean bodycam footage.

822
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: I like bodycam footage too. I mean I'll watch them

823
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: because you can always get.

824
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: Wait, so is this out yet or it's coming out?

825
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: It came out in twenty twenty. Did we watch it?

826
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 2: No?

827
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: I did not watch that.

828
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I won't watch it because there's a whole Yeah,

829
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: like you can watch the real deal, right, and then

830
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: it's like watching a cover band versus the real band. Right,

831
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: I go see the real band exactly.

832
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: So the real band came out On September thirtieth of

833
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, Netflix released a documentary using all the home

834
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: footage and the digital records. And that's the one that

835
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: we were That's the one that both of you and

836
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: I have watched, and that's what we're talking about. The

837
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: American Murder The Family next Door. Shnan's family has publicly

838
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: criticized at least one dramatization, stating that they were not consulted.

839
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: I think that's the Lifetime one. They weren't consulted about it.

840
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 1: And when they put it together.

841
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 2: I might have saw like parts of it. It was

842
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: like on TV, and it was it was just I

843
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: don't know. After you see the real stuff, it's just

844
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: hard to watch. Yeah, something that's a dramatization, which you

845
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: know may not be entirely accurate, and they have fillers

846
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 2: in there and edit things right.

847
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: But I will tell you though, when you talk about dramatizations,

848
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: I did think the Amanda Knox one that was on Hulu,

849
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: I thought that one was great. But that's because Amanda

850
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: Knox was involved in so.

851
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 2: You can say that it was likely what took place.

852
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: Right as it took right because she was a producer,

853
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: she was involved, so that one was great. But anyway,

854
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: all right, so thank you guys so much for listening

855
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: to Legally Brunette Till death do Us Part. We love

856
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: talking about these cases and breaking them down. And if

857
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: you have any suggestions that would fit this podcast as

858
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: far as wives offing their husbands or husbands offing their wives,

859
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: please feel free to DM me and give us a suggestion. Also,

860
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: I just wanted to put on your radar because I

861
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: want to talk about this eventually, but not right now,

862
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: because there's very little information.

863
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: File for divorce instead of murdering your spouse, I.

864
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: Get, well, that's just our blanket public service announcement. With

865
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: this podcast, file for divorce, you don't have to murder

866
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: anyone is. There's a new case in Tip City, Ohio.

867
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: The woman's name is Ashley Flynn. And if you guys remember,

868
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm from Ohio. My whole family's on Ohio. So my

869
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: sister actually sent me the article the other day and

870
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: I read it, and when I was reading it, it's

871
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Speaker 1: you know, it talks about how it was a home invasion,

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Speaker 1: there was a burglary that went wrong, and the dad

873
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Speaker 1: and the mom were home and the kids, but the

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Speaker 1: wife was the only one that was murdered. The husband

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Speaker 1: was fine and the kids were fine. And I remember

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Speaker 1: replying to my sister and I said, you know what,

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Speaker 1: the husband did it. And then about two or three

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Speaker 1: days later she sent me a follow up article where

879
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: the husband has been detained charged and the murder of

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Speaker 1: like a hit hire, like he hired someone allegedly allegedly.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, her name's Ashley Flynn. It's in Tip City, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: There's not a lot of information right now, so we

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Speaker 1: really can't do a full podcast on it. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to talk about that because I feel

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Speaker 1: like that's going to.

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Speaker 2: Be I wanted to say that you predicted it was

887
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Speaker 2: the husband and now he's arrested.

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Speaker 1: Well I did, I was right. But anyway, I also

889
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Speaker 1: apparently he was a contestant on American Idol at some

890
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Speaker 1: point too. So I just feel I have a feeling

891
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: that this case is going to be one of those

892
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: that is big in the media surface. Yeah, so anyway,

893
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Speaker 1: just putting that on your ear.

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Speaker 2: I have a thought. Yeah, I thought about this the

895
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Speaker 2: other day.

896
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Speaker 1: His final thoughts, this is what we're going to do.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's about Chris Watts. Okay, he pleas out like, oh,

898
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Speaker 2: I don't want the death penalty. I'll just go to

899
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Speaker 2: jail for life.

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Speaker 1: Right.

901
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Speaker 2: He has no wife, obviously, he has no children. I

902
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 2: don't think any family members are going to come visit him.

903
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Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a good question.

904
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's sad. What is your thinking, like, what is

905
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Speaker 2: the purpose of living now there is no purpose? Well,

906
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, he's a narcissist.

907
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Speaker 1: Un you're such a narcissist. You're just going to write

908
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Speaker 1: letters all day calling women the whores and harlots and

909
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: the hope that you get married again and talk about

910
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Speaker 1: what a great guy you are.

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Speaker 2: What's a harlot?

912
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Speaker 1: A whore?

913
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Speaker 2: Oh so it's horse and horse, horse and horse.

914
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Speaker 1: But harlot's just another term. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, I just thought about that, like the

916
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Speaker 2: other day, was you know, He's like, oh, yeah, I

917
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Speaker 2: don't want to die. I want to live, but all

918
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Speaker 2: my family because he he shows initially, he showed regret

919
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: and I'm going to have to live with those thoughts

920
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah and all that stuff. So he

921
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: knows what he did was wrong, whether he admits it

922
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Speaker 2: or not. Any further, why would he want to stay

923
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Speaker 2: in jail? And it's it's just a weird thought.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's the same with Brian Coberger. He committed horrible

925
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Speaker 1: going to be He's going to be in prison the

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Speaker 1: rest of his life. Are you saying suicide?

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Speaker 2: No, Well go ahead, But I'm saying his entire family

928
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Speaker 2: is eliminated and he wants to stay alive. I don't know,

929
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Speaker 2: just seem because he's probably.

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Speaker 1: Gonna work out in prison, and he gets three meals

931
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Speaker 1: a day and he's going to write letters to people

932
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Speaker 1: and then he's interviews every once in a while. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you'd have to ask him. Let's get

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Speaker 1: Chris Watts. Can we get Chris Watts on the pod.

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Speaker 2: Want Chris Watson here, No, we get AI Chris Watts. Yeah,

936
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Speaker 2: you write him and you get a letter back, and

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Speaker 2: then we'll revisit this case.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to work on that, all right.

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