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Speaker 1: Hey, it's a No Dunks emergency podcast.

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Speaker 2: We got ourselves a trade.

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Speaker 1: I'm Trey Kirby and joining me in the yard on

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Speaker 1: a Friday night. It's task Melis Tass. What were you

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Speaker 1: doing when you heard Dejontay Murray got traded?

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Speaker 3: So I'm sitting in a house and I hear people

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Speaker 3: screaming and hollering outdoors here in the Atlanta area. They

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Speaker 3: are pumped for this move. They didn't think they could

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Speaker 3: get this much for de Jontay Murray tray, and they

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Speaker 3: and they're keeping, They're keeping the real tray. I wish

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Speaker 3: I was in New Orleans because I think they would

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Speaker 3: also be pumped for this. It almost feels winny winny

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Speaker 3: right now for both these things.

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Speaker 1: Okay, a little, a little teaser, you think you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be going win win. You're definitely an interesting tray. I

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Speaker 1: had personally just marinated a batch of chicken, getting ready

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Speaker 1: to throw it on the grill, but then I got excited.

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Speaker 1: I just spent all my time flipping thinking about the

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Speaker 1: ins and outs from both sides. But if you hadn't

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Speaker 1: heard the news yet, woes broke it earlier. The Hawks

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Speaker 1: have traded de Jontay Murray to the New Orleans Pelicans

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Speaker 1: after two seasons here in Atlanta. In return, the Hawks

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Speaker 1: are getting Larry Nance junior Dyson Daniels, who just finished

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Speaker 1: up his second season in the league, at twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five first round pick via the Los Angeles Lakers. So

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Speaker 1: the Lakers twenty five pick next draft, and the least

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Speaker 1: favorable of a twenty twenty seven first round pick from

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Speaker 1: either the Bucks or the Pelicans is coming back to Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: So a couple of first round picks, Larry Nance junior

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Speaker 1: Dyson Daniels coming to Atlanta from New Orleans. I don't

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Speaker 1: know which side you want to start with, Tess. Is

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Speaker 1: this more of a let's talk Pelicans getting the player

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Speaker 1: or let's talk Hawks getting the picks?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? The thing about the Hawks, I'm starting Hawks, I can't.

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Speaker 3: I can't help it but be a local boy here.

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Speaker 3: Because we came into the offseason thinking is it going

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Speaker 3: to be Trey or Dejonte who gets dealt They can't

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Speaker 3: roll back with the exact same thing, and so for

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Speaker 3: many people thought, well, they're going to get the most

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Speaker 3: in return for Trey. Totally understandable Trey would get more,

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Speaker 3: but after seeing this package that New Orleans was willing

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Speaker 3: to give two first round picks and two actual players

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Speaker 3: that are going to be part of the rotation. I

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Speaker 3: think that's a really good get for Landry Fields here,

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Speaker 3: because yes, de Jontay Murray did cost four first rounders

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Speaker 3: and zero players basically a couple of years back. But

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Speaker 3: they just have not been good. They have been subpart

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Speaker 3: and you go get a guy in Dyson Daniels, who

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Speaker 3: I think I'm dreaming here, but I think it's going

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Speaker 3: to really really help that defensive side of things because

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Speaker 3: I know people think, well, the ball just goes through

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Speaker 3: Trey and this offense isn't all that good. Listen to

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Speaker 3: the Hawks the last four seasons. Their defense really hasn't

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Speaker 3: been the problem. Go back for years they were eighth.

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Speaker 3: The next year after that they were second in offense,

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Speaker 3: then there were seventh, and then there were twelfth, pretty respectable.

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Speaker 3: It's the defensive side that's been bad in all those years.

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Speaker 3: It's been twentieth and I think what they really have

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Speaker 3: to do is build a team. I'm thinking iverson like

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Speaker 3: this guy's hands. You've got to have defensive guys around him,

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Speaker 3: and Dyson Daniels, as you said, his second year through

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Speaker 3: the bench for the Pelicans. Now they have so many

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Speaker 3: in terms of perimeter defenders and how good they're defensive

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Speaker 3: it is. They said, that's fine, we'll put him in there,

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Speaker 3: and they threw in Larry Nance as well. And I

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Speaker 3: think the point of attack for offenses coming against the

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Speaker 1: Right, I gotta stop because I got a couple of questions, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that are coming through. First of all, it sounds to

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Speaker 1: Hawks also getting ej Lddell he played at Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: He missed his entire rookie year. But also coming back

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Speaker 1: in this trade. You're telling me this is a good

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Speaker 1: return for the Hawks when we just saw Mikhale Bridges

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Speaker 1: get five first round picks. Yeah, on a longer contract,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the game has changed. Listen, those five picks aren't

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Speaker 3: a Knicks team that should be an Eastern Conference finalists.

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Speaker 3: They know they got to pay for something, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're giving up picks that are going to be in

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Speaker 1: Like the Lakers pick next year. This year was seventeen. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So that one, you know, you think.

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Speaker 1: It's probably in the teams most likely and then the

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Speaker 1: less favorable of the Bucks or the Pelicans in the future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so in the teens.

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Speaker 3: For listen, the Dejonte return ain't ain't gonna be as

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Speaker 3: good as mckel bridges. That's that's a fact. I know

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Speaker 3: mckail bridges hasn't made an All Star team, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think that the ceiling is higher. De jhon Tay

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Speaker 3: that it's a bit of a sunk cost theory here.

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Speaker 3: They gave up four picks. Travis Schlank said, here's four

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Speaker 3: just didn't have a very good season this year or

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Speaker 3: last year. Now it's basically like who are you picking

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Speaker 3: in Trey or de john Tamurray. I understand the Tray

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Speaker 3: getting on in age. I just didn't see this coming

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Speaker 1: Before we get to the Pelicans, I got a You

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Speaker 1: think you think the Hawks are still going to keep Trey.

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Speaker 1: Still they still owe a pick to the Spurs next

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Speaker 1: the That's the concern for me is they did get

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Speaker 1: So they're going into the season next year currently with

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Speaker 3: They're going to be over five hundred. I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: a wash there. I think they really believe in DeAndre Hunter.

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Speaker 3: a good season this year. Jalen Johnson at the four

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Speaker 3: It's a combination of Cli Capella and Ink and Coongu

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I maybe maybe blue Sky in here a

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Speaker 3: I think though that the Hawks are. Are they better

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Speaker 3: But I think they will play better on the defensive end,

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Speaker 3: so they'll just be a harder team. I think that's

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Speaker 3: what they're they're trying to be. It's just a harder

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Speaker 1: They're trying to be a better defensive team. I would

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Speaker 1: say that that's pretty obvious with what Landry Fields has

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Speaker 1: a wing here for Dyson Daniels, who has had some

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Speaker 1: thirty six games last year. I think that this is

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Speaker 1: the first move, and I think that the Trey Young

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Speaker 1: the best thing for me that has happened for the

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Speaker 1: least they now have something going next summer when the

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Speaker 1: Trey Young is closer to Michale Bridges. But apparently the

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Speaker 1: Lakers tax. We're going to make you pay more because

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Speaker 1: We don't necessarily want to help the clutch agency always either.

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Speaker 1: I think maybe factors into it. Sticking it to the

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Speaker 1: if they're going to be rebuilding, and if they're not

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Speaker 1: to get better because they just traded their most consistent

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Speaker 2: Even though it didn't fit.

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Speaker 1: This to me just seems like we had to break

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Speaker 1: figure everything out going there, because I think the Hawks

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Speaker 1: took a step back on the court tonight, though at

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Speaker 1: least they're getting a little bit in return, uh draft

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally get that. It feels that way that

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Speaker 3: when Trey was out the second half of the season,

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Speaker 3: they were a five hundred club with the John Tay

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Speaker 3: Murray as their starting point guard, and they were worse

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Speaker 3: year after year, you know, they're five hundred the year

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Speaker 3: who five hundred year the first year, and then and

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Speaker 3: then what ended up last year was was Trey being out.

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Speaker 3: He played fine. Now I think, yeah, they're just banking

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Speaker 3: on the locker room being better. And I do think

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Speaker 3: Dyson Daniels and Larry Nan something that the Lakers could

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Speaker 3: not produce. They just didn't have those type of picks.

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Speaker 2: That seems crazy to me.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I don't know what their rotation will be. As

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would probably be the best thing for this team.

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Speaker 3: Mobley and and Jared Allen, although he would fit and

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Speaker 3: I know you call him Isaac no scoro, but I

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Speaker 3: think they would. They would probably throw a Korro in there,

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Speaker 3: just because he's far cheaper than than Brandon Ingram. That

435
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Speaker 3: seems like a Philly fan or Philly move, replacing Tobias Harris.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know what is what No Orleans getting

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Speaker 3: for him, Probably not all that much from Philadelphi, because

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Speaker 3: I don't know what they have really to offer. I

439
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Speaker 3: haven't gone through.

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Speaker 1: I haven't gone through that's got a ton of cap

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Speaker 1: space and they don't have any players on their tea. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, it would definitely be picks and stuff, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: we shall see. I think I think Ingram is still

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Speaker 1: likely to be moved, and I don't know. The Hawks

445
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Speaker 1: are just such in a middle zone right now even

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Speaker 1: after this trade that I think that something's got to

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Speaker 1: be coming for them.

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Speaker 2: Either way. Any final thoughts either way for these couple

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Speaker 2: of teams.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know why Landry Fields was so super

451
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Speaker 3: duper excited when they picked Zachary. As we said, we

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Speaker 3: we watched their their war room.

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Speaker 2: They were pumped.

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Speaker 3: They were super pumped. I guess they were really pumped

455
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Speaker 3: for their twenty year employee who made his first pick.

456
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Speaker 3: I think that's what the case was. But I don't know.

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Speaker 3: This is a different front office now. Travis Schlank made

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Speaker 3: them move for de Jontay Murray in the summer of

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, and then basically two months into the

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Speaker 3: season they moved on from Travish Slank and they said,

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Speaker 3: we got to change it up. And so this is

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Speaker 3: this is Landry's first big movie, this is their first

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Speaker 3: it's it's it's like, I mean, they really just they

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Speaker 3: traded away John Collins for Nada, and then they traded

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Speaker 3: all that for de Jontay Murray and then they trade

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Speaker 3: him for this in return, and their drafts, their draft

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Speaker 3: picks haven't worked all that Well, it's a tough job

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Speaker 3: being a GM.

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Speaker 2: I guess that's why Travish Slank is in Washington.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I'm interested to see because New Orleans

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Speaker 3: can't be done. They can't be done. But yeah, it

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Speaker 3: feels like.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's why I think the Hawks can't

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Speaker 1: be done either, because you mentioned the draft picks not hitting.

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Speaker 1: It's because they pick fourteenth and fifteenth every year. They're

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Speaker 1: picking aj Griffin and Kobe Buffkin. Those guys have a

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Speaker 1: shot to be something, but they're not guaranteed. Guys like

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Speaker 1: you get in the top five. It would be smart

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Speaker 1: of the Hawks to go that way. Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 1: happens with teams.

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Speaker 2: Caught in the middle.

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Speaker 1: And this is maybe then, like you're saying, starting to

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Speaker 1: move on from the end of the Travis Slank era

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Speaker 1: and Landry Field's kind of setting himself up for their

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Speaker 1: next version of their team that ends up being good,

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Speaker 1: we shall see.

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Speaker 3: Luckily they're in the Eastern Conference because there's just enough

488
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Speaker 3: bad teams, unlike the Western Conference, which is going to

489
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Speaker 3: be a bloodbath for the Pelicans, just because how strong

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Speaker 3: everybody's getting over on that set.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Like I don't necessarily know that just adding

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Speaker 1: de Jonte Murray to this team, even if they are

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Speaker 1: able to bring back Brandon Ingram, find a center out

494
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Speaker 1: there there are you know. I mean, they could pick

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Speaker 1: up Andre Drummond as a veteran minimum and roll with

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Speaker 1: him of their starter and then play some small ball

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Speaker 1: with Zion at the five or something if they wanted to,

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Speaker 1: something simple like that. But adding just Murray to this

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Speaker 1: team and bringing everybody else back sounds about valentiunis that

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Speaker 1: to me doesn't necessarily equal a top six seed in

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Speaker 1: the Western Conference, which is you know, the minimum goal

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Speaker 1: I think for the Pelicans next season.

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Speaker 3: Don't bring back Cody Zeller. Just don't bring them back.

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Speaker 2: You just don't bring back Cody Zeller. Whatever you do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't working. Was it's not working.

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Speaker 2: Whatever you do, don't bring back Cody Zeller.

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Speaker 1: As for us, we will be back at the very

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Speaker 1: latest Sunday. I think we're going to start streaming at

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Speaker 1: about five thirty Eastern time, doing some free agency stuff.

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Speaker 1: Who knows if any other trades will go down over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. Task you got any big plans or are

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Speaker 1: you on standby for the wheeling and dealing.

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to stand outside here in Atlanta and

514
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Speaker 3: wait for people to yell and scream when they trade

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Speaker 3: Trea if it happens. Because reading the comments after this happened,

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Speaker 3: you know, especially on the FA Athletic pieces, it was

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Speaker 3: basically we're not any better, which I understand. I totally

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Speaker 3: get that. It's it's heard this Hawks fans, Hawks fans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean every comment in the stream team if

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Speaker 1: we're being quite honest, say the Hawks got fleeced in

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Speaker 1: this trade.

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Speaker 3: They did not get fleeced. I do not think they

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Speaker 3: got fleeced to get.

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Speaker 2: Your big Daniels guy.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, yeah, watching him play now, I didn't watch

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Speaker 3: him back when he was playing in Australia and he

527
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Speaker 3: was at the Australian Institute of Sport in Canberra, Australia.

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Speaker 3: But that guy is tough defensively, so it's like they're

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Speaker 3: definitely building around sort of an older team. I mentioned

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Speaker 3: Allen Iverson as the tree young. It would be nice

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Speaker 3: if everybody could shoot and everybody could score. And they're

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Speaker 3: they're saying, hey, Dyson, stand behind the three point line

533
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Speaker 3: and just defend like freaking crazy, and defend the first

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Speaker 3: guy that brings the ball across because he's and he's

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Speaker 3: a decent Okay, decent is strong word. But he's above

536
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Speaker 3: thirty percent shooting the ball. Sometimes he's good, sometimes he

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Speaker 3: ain't that good.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm up to He's got a coro potential.

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Speaker 1: He could be an Isaacakorro Sunday.

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Speaker 3: One day, one day, dream about it, and so yeah,

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Speaker 3: I understand people are upset about it. I guess. I

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Speaker 3: guess we're relying on Tree Jung to be that guy.

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Speaker 3: If you think they're going to be back to five

544
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Speaker 3: hundred ish, he's got to go back to his old

545
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 3: ways and they got to play around him, and they

546
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Speaker 3: got to be freaking healthy. So that's another part of it.

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Speaker 2: I'm going back to the old me. We'll be back

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Speaker 2: very soon to talk about more basketball. You heard it

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Speaker 2: here first, have a great time, turn up, love you

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Speaker 2: guys awesome.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, and remember y'all forgot about me,

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00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: the old me. Now the dre he's back.

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Speaker 2: Sure, embrace the trades, people,