WEBVTT - The Future of Stink

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, welcome to stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb, and I'm Julie Douglas. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're coming at you once again, basically at the at

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<v Speaker 1>at one since right, we're basically coming at your hearing

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<v Speaker 1>into your ear holes. Uh. We can't really engage a

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<v Speaker 1>number of other Uh. We can't touch you. We can't

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<v Speaker 1>touch We shouldn't touch you, probably right, and you should

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<v Speaker 1>not touch us, so the sign says and uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>and you can also generally cannot see us, unless I

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<v Speaker 1>guess if you if you pull up a picture of this,

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<v Speaker 1>you can sort of get a little you can engage

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<v Speaker 1>your your sense of sight a little bit with a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast or if we have visual aids, such as with

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<v Speaker 1>the the Art podcast that we did, and we had

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<v Speaker 1>a blog post that went along with it, so you

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<v Speaker 1>could look up the different artists as we went along.

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<v Speaker 1>But still you're not you're not watching us podcast. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And you and you also cannot smell us. You cannot

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<v Speaker 1>smell the podcast chamber. And that's probably a good thing generally. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not saying anything about your funk or my

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<v Speaker 1>fun you're saying that some of the other podcasters kind

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<v Speaker 1>of smell. No, I'm not saying that sometimes there is

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<v Speaker 1>half eaten food in here. That's usually my half eaten banana.

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<v Speaker 1>I may have to take credit for these things, but no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're we're talking about the fact that there are limits

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<v Speaker 1>um to technology we think so far in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>expressing all five senses. I used to think there were

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<v Speaker 1>no limits, but but now I fear that there are

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<v Speaker 1>no limits in the future. Well, I mean, let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about this. And in the past, people

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<v Speaker 1>have tried to um to layer these senses in different media,

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<v Speaker 1>like smellvision for instance, and and we we had a

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<v Speaker 1>whole podcast where we talked about the power of smell

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<v Speaker 1>and the importance of smell and and smell is is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the more one of our more primal instincts

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<v Speaker 1>and one of our more powerful and and as we've

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned before, it's the one sent out of the five

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<v Speaker 1>that interacts directly with the brain. So it's a powerful

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<v Speaker 1>scent to be omitted from any of your media. But

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<v Speaker 1>generally the technology hasn't been here, but we have actually

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<v Speaker 1>tried in the past. Uh, most notably h is of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Smell a Vision in h in nineteen sixty, but before that,

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<v Speaker 1>the first recorded use of smell in the theater was

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixteen at the Family Theater in Forest City, Pennsylvania. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was during a Rose Bowl game. And so

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<v Speaker 1>they had the scent of rose oil piped in, which

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and it's really low tech, like they had

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<v Speaker 1>a cotton ball that's saturated with rose oil. Yeah. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they had a fan that was blowing it

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<v Speaker 1>into the audience. Yeah. And that's pretty pretty low tech.

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<v Speaker 1>And then some of the technologies today are about that level.

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<v Speaker 1>But Smell a Vision, of course, is the one that

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<v Speaker 1>everybody remembers. Um. This came around nineteen sixty and it

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<v Speaker 1>was the mention of this guy, Mike Todd Jr. Who

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<v Speaker 1>was the son of a really accomplished producer by the

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<v Speaker 1>name of Michael Todd who produced around the world in

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<v Speaker 1>eighty days, you know, made it, made some nice bank

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<v Speaker 1>off of that, but then died. And so his son

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<v Speaker 1>invests his inheritance in this concept of all a vision thing,

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<v Speaker 1>this is gonna be the next big thing. And again

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<v Speaker 1>on paper, it kind of sounds cool. It's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is an age where it's like, all right, we

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<v Speaker 1>got talking in our movies. Now we're talking, We're we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at it. You know what else can we do?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, can we make we can There's the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing with a Tingler about making the seats vibrate. And

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<v Speaker 1>as we see today, you know, everybody keeps like up

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<v Speaker 1>in the Annie three d um, etcetera. So you can

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<v Speaker 1>imagine the guys thinking, all right, smells pretty important. If

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<v Speaker 1>I can somehow incorporate smell into the motion picture experience,

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna put even more butts and seats. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>the unleashed smell a vision on an unsuspecting public. H

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<v Speaker 1>and it's kind of a disaster. Um. They only use

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<v Speaker 1>it for one film under the Smell a Vision Moniker,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was a film by the name of Scent

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<v Speaker 1>of Miss of a Mystery, which interestingly enough, star Denholm Elliott,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, of course from Raiders of the Lost Art

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<v Speaker 1>the British guy and Peter Lori, yeah voice, can you

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<v Speaker 1>do a Peter Lori re help me please? Rick? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that that's the one. Yeah, yeah, wow, okay, I nailed it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you did nailed it. Um and uh. And so that

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<v Speaker 1>then they had like all sorts of cool catch phrases

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<v Speaker 1>for it, like first they moved, then they talked, now

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<v Speaker 1>they smell. In nineteen sixty like, finally we we have

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<v Speaker 1>we have the trifecta of senses engaged with their motion pictures,

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<v Speaker 1>and a new age of cinema is about to begin.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course it didn't because it didn't really work

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<v Speaker 1>all that well. There was there was some slight delay

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<v Speaker 1>with the smells, like the smell was supposed to hit

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<v Speaker 1>so it was the smell of a fresh casserole. There

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<v Speaker 1>was not a casserole in the movie. But just give

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<v Speaker 1>you an example. Imagine if on the screen that they

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<v Speaker 1>present a fresh cast role and then like several seconds later,

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<v Speaker 1>the scent fresh cast role hits you people during the

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<v Speaker 1>sex scene and like whoa, what chicken casserole? And then

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know, Sophia Lauren is doing something

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<v Speaker 1>that's just weird. Yeah, that level of things happening, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so that you'd have the smells out of sync.

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<v Speaker 1>Um other some of the theater's got the smell like

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<v Speaker 1>really loud, like right in the face. Other areas couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get it. So it just wasn't all that well. Implemented. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean these are we're talking about cartridges on a belt, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're being pierced by needles during certain scenes. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're also talking about this hissing sound that it would

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<v Speaker 1>make sometimes too. This is what I've read that would

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<v Speaker 1>be really distracting. So people are like, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to watch this movie and I'm being

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<v Speaker 1>inundated here. Yeah. So it's like you'd be watching a

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<v Speaker 1>film and a guy would be like, would you like

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<v Speaker 1>a cup of coffee? And it's like, no, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really want any coffee because I really need to finish

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<v Speaker 1>this sandwich first, and then you know, every little thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I will tell you that if Casablanca had had

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<v Speaker 1>smell a Vision, and you know, of course with Peter Laurie,

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<v Speaker 1>I would be happy to to experience that with smell

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<v Speaker 1>a Vision. Why what do you think Peter Laurie smelled like? Well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they're not Peter Laurie specifically, but you've got

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<v Speaker 1>the spice market going on. Um, you know, it's hot human.

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<v Speaker 1>I could see where it could have been an interesting bouquet. Um. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I would feel that Bogart would have probably smelled kind

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<v Speaker 1>of weird where and like cigars. Yeah, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that could be a good smell. But also I

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<v Speaker 1>think Lorie might have actually smelled good because he seems

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<v Speaker 1>like the kind of guy who you know, he would

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<v Speaker 1>realize he would need to have the smells all on,

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<v Speaker 1>impeccably dressed. Yeah. Yeah um. And then, of course, in

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<v Speaker 1>homage to Smell a Vision, American film director John Waters

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<v Speaker 1>alice an enhanced Odorama version of his film Polyester in Yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this was more akin to the scent test that we

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<v Speaker 1>went through in the last oh right, the one where

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<v Speaker 1>you made me smell David Beckham's foot right off of

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<v Speaker 1>a card, numbered cards, Because that's the same way it

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<v Speaker 1>worked with John waters piece Polyester footles, I should say, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He Basically, each audience member had ten cards numbered one

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<v Speaker 1>through ten, and they had smells such as flowers, pizza, glue, gas, grass,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course feces. Oh right, right, Because if you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna if you're gonna implement smellvision, you need to go

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<v Speaker 1>for the full, the full bouquet of Now, for anybody

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<v Speaker 1>who who is John Waters fan, maybe you'll agree with

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<v Speaker 1>me that pink flamingos should have been when where he

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<v Speaker 1>had smell Avision where the main character actually eats feces,

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<v Speaker 1>Because then, I mean, seriously, I mean, if you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to trump up the dramatic moment and watch someone eat

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<v Speaker 1>feces and then smell it, that's that's going to do

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<v Speaker 1>it right there, there you go. Yeah, Waters was Waters

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<v Speaker 1>is around, Uh such a like a classy sleeves bag.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that about it. You know a few people

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<v Speaker 1>can pull that off to be both classy and sleazy

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<v Speaker 1>and and make both work. Um and I and I

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<v Speaker 1>think he would probably agree with that. Then there was

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<v Speaker 1>also in n the BBC of course, did that hoax

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<v Speaker 1>with the smell a vision where they told the viewers

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<v Speaker 1>the April Fool stage and they told them that they

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<v Speaker 1>could they could smell through the TV of sliced onions

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<v Speaker 1>brewing coffee and invited viewers at home to confirm the

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<v Speaker 1>sense uh that we're emanating from their television set by

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<v Speaker 1>by writing in about it. And people did I just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, testimony to the power suggestion. People were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I could totally smell the onions in the coffee, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was it was all a gag. Placebo smells right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of interesting. So for the most part though,

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<v Speaker 1>this is you know, it's just received a few token

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<v Speaker 1>nods to the possibility of smell uh in our cinema,

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<v Speaker 1>the most recent one, uh being the more recent spy

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<v Speaker 1>kids movie All the Time in the World that when

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<v Speaker 1>I had scratch and sniff cards. So it's like, you know, again,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in that age where people are like, what can

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<v Speaker 1>we do to up the Annie three D? All right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's try smells. See if that works. Now. One area

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<v Speaker 1>of entertainment where it seems like you you we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more um smell engagement has been the haunted house,

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<v Speaker 1>the professional haunted house. And I'm not talking about like

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<v Speaker 1>the one put on like the local arch in the

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<v Speaker 1>small or some club yeah, or some club you know,

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<v Speaker 1>or just because right, or your neighbors. I mean haunted houses.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I may have discussed it before. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty complex thing when you get it down to it,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the actual business of it, it looks easy. So

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<v Speaker 1>you have every year you'll have people come along and say, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I can do a hunted house. I just see people

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<v Speaker 1>lining up and handing out some money. I can do

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<v Speaker 1>that too, but there's there's a lot more involved. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a there's sort of a science of scaring and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and they generally that the better ones will try and

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<v Speaker 1>hit you on various levels. They'll try and so they're

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<v Speaker 1>throwing startling sounds at you. There's they're throwing weird textures

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<v Speaker 1>at you under underneath your feet, and of course they'll

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<v Speaker 1>try and engage your smell, your sense of smell. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>lay some of these honest, because uh, these are very

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<v Speaker 1>interesting and I haven't been to a haunted house in years.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well, well we actually have a really good one,

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<v Speaker 1>uh here in the Atlanta area, the nether World Haunted House. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard that one's good. Yeah. One of the guys

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<v Speaker 1>who does it, this guy Billy messina Um, who I've

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<v Speaker 1>met a time or two, like mutual friends. Uh. He

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<v Speaker 1>actually worked special effects on such films as Judge, Dread,

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<v Speaker 1>basket Case too, and uh the seminal favorite uff Franken Hooker.

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<v Speaker 1>So frank Hooker. That's a fine one. Yeah. But but

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<v Speaker 1>but anyway, it's a really cool hunted house and they

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<v Speaker 1>will hit you with these smells. So I looked into

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<v Speaker 1>this because because we were like, well maybe we can

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<v Speaker 1>implement that here at the house. Stuff works, so you

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<v Speaker 1>can get a professional sent machine for about seventy sounds

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<v Speaker 1>good so far. Yeah, there's some cheaper options, but I figure,

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<v Speaker 1>if if we're going to do this, let's do it right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do it big. And then there are just there's

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<v Speaker 1>just a plethora of different smells and smell combinations you

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<v Speaker 1>can purchase for use in these machines, and they range

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<v Speaker 1>from things such as like uh oh, there's like wedding bouquet, peaches, sunshine,

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<v Speaker 1>fruity um, grass, ocean and those are great. But if

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds scary, it's exactly right. That's I guess, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you're only gonna have your hunted house once

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<v Speaker 1>a year or for one month out of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>you might want to try and at other times, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can buy these other smells. But the scary smells,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's where it gets interesting. Stuff Like one manufacturer

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<v Speaker 1>makes urine, sulfur, flatulence, body odor, smelly feet, bad breath.

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<v Speaker 1>But then there's another um manufacturer who really uh sexes

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<v Speaker 1>up the titles, so you get stuff like burning electrical um,

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<v Speaker 1>candy cane, dead rat um. Oh, this is the one

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<v Speaker 1>I really like prehistoric poop because that has a we

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<v Speaker 1>all know what prehistoric poops nostrils. Hell Um, swamp, you're in,

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<v Speaker 1>swamp you're in, not that there's not really a swamp

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<v Speaker 1>here in one, but you could combine the two your

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<v Speaker 1>own like swamp urine and and stinky feet prehistoric poop mill.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know you can just go nuts with it? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you can find these online if you were

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<v Speaker 1>interested enough to want to, you know, up the game

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<v Speaker 1>at your own household or church operated haunted house. This

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like a clan of try up version of like

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<v Speaker 1>the Barbie perfume maker. Are you familiar with us? This

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<v Speaker 1>is something I got my youth, and I actually really

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<v Speaker 1>liked it. I hated Barbies and anyway, I won't go

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<v Speaker 1>into that, but this I love because your kid create

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<v Speaker 1>all these horrible smells and it's like a chemical lab

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<v Speaker 1>for the Barbie. Yeah. Yeah, but you know, I proposed

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<v Speaker 1>that somebody go out there and make this for for

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<v Speaker 1>a remake. This is some sort of ghoulish thing for

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<v Speaker 1>kids out there, because I think they would love it. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember there being like stink toys when I was

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<v Speaker 1>a kid. Yeah, I don't know if they assume they

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<v Speaker 1>had something like this in the US. But I was

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<v Speaker 1>a kid at the time in Canada and Newfoundland, Canada actually,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember visiting some town and they're being like

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<v Speaker 1>a little you know, junk shop there, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean just in everything shop. They had some junkie toys

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<v Speaker 1>variety store, and I ended up obtaining a some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of stink toy and I think it was like some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of little monster and the big cell on the

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<v Speaker 1>package with it it smells like rotten eggs, and so

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<v Speaker 1>at a certain age, that's awesome, you know. Yeah, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still kind of excited about it. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>ability to mix all of those would be great fun. Right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the question, you know, getting to the technology

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<v Speaker 1>of today. Would you want that smell emanating from your

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<v Speaker 1>cell phone? Right? Yeah? This is where it really gets

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because I remember these technologies we're talking about here.

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<v Speaker 1>It basically involves the use of primary odors to create

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<v Speaker 1>other odors. Basically, this Barbie kit you're talking about combined

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<v Speaker 1>this with that or maybe and they smelled awful by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, but but that's the idea of like using

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<v Speaker 1>five or six maybe even basic smells out of hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>only we're talking hundreds of primary odors in these palates, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and we know just from the research we did on

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<v Speaker 1>the Other Smell podcasts of fifteen thou smells that have

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<v Speaker 1>been identified out there, right, So this would be very

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<v Speaker 1>much of a first step and uh and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>an approximate attempt to create some of these smells, these

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<v Speaker 1>odors out of primary odors. Uh. And so you would

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<v Speaker 1>you would be able to input all right, say it's

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<v Speaker 1>um the smell of fresh pumpkin pie. Yea. So it

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<v Speaker 1>would then input several primary odors such as I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>guessing like maybe if there's a pumpkin primary odor, some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a cinnamon primary Is it cinnamon it's in

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<v Speaker 1>pumpkin pie? No, it's nutmeg, Like nutmeg is a primary odor.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe like some sort of buttery smell as a

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<v Speaker 1>primary odor. I don't know. But but then those those

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<v Speaker 1>three would get implemented together into pumpkin pie. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And so in Japan there's ant T communications, so cell

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<v Speaker 1>phone owners are able to download a fragrance playlist or

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<v Speaker 1>files of recipes for specific smells along with visual and

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<v Speaker 1>or audio. So we're talking about you know animation or

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<v Speaker 1>mini content from imodes mobile website. The service uses a

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<v Speaker 1>handsets infrared port to transfer the fragrance data to a

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated device similar to a plug in air freshener that's

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<v Speaker 1>loaded with a cartridge of base fragrances what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>The device then mixes them to create the chosen smell,

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<v Speaker 1>which it then waffs out, accompanying the audio or visual

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<v Speaker 1>content that's played on the phone. So you can again

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<v Speaker 1>you can share your your playlist with friends who also

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<v Speaker 1>subscribe to the service. You can also use it remotely,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can say via your your cell phone, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>when I get home, I want the whole house to

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<v Speaker 1>wreak of chocolate chip cookies and it will do that

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<v Speaker 1>for you. That's be let down when there are no

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<v Speaker 1>actual chocolate chip cookies. So I know, right, but but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, hey, if you if that's the way you

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<v Speaker 1>want to roll ino, you know, you want to stick

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<v Speaker 1>up your house with various sense, then you can do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Um n T T do como device. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>device along with the phone, can also analyze your breath

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<v Speaker 1>and tell tell you how much fat you've burned off

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<v Speaker 1>and how hungry you maybe so it goes the other way,

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<v Speaker 1>right and a emit smells and also analyzes it. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're outsourcing our ability to know what size snack we

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<v Speaker 1>should have. Yeah. Actually, there's an image analyzer, or you

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<v Speaker 1>can take a picture of the food you're about to

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<v Speaker 1>eat and it will go through the database of like

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<v Speaker 1>foods and tell you what the approximate chloric information is.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh yeah, so okay that you can have some smells

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<v Speaker 1>through your phone, but you can also have stinky tweets.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah. This is the OLLI by Mint Digital and Foundry,

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<v Speaker 1>And the idea here is this is a device. You

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<v Speaker 1>can think of it as a smell printer that hooks

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<v Speaker 1>up to your your computer and you would have it

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<v Speaker 1>set off to where not only would you maybe get

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<v Speaker 1>like a little um audio sound when you received a tweet,

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<v Speaker 1>you would get a smell like what does a tweet

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<v Speaker 1>smell like? I don't know, maybe a bird nest? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it depends on who's tweeting. You can you can actually

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<v Speaker 1>customize it, customize it so that Oh, so let's say

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<v Speaker 1>Rain Wilson does a tweet, like, what would Rain Wilson's

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<v Speaker 1>tweets smell like? I don't know, I just don't know

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<v Speaker 1>him that well at all. I mean, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>him at all. No, but he's on Twitter. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>know these people at all. But that's the thing, you

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't know what sort of personal scent. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's say that you're you know, sister or your uncle

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<v Speaker 1>tweeted you could make some sort of aroma. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>they were making fun of this on NPRS game show

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<v Speaker 1>Wait Wait, don't tell me, and they said, Okay, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, got a Facebook message from grandma, mix genete

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<v Speaker 1>with Virginia Slims or your college roommates. Tweets could smell

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<v Speaker 1>like fresca and regret sex. The smells aren't gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>that nuanced. Yeah, well, well what would what would what

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<v Speaker 1>would our tweets smell like? What would stuff? With all

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<v Speaker 1>your minds? Tweets can force a smell I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>like patuli entire treads. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. That's like

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<v Speaker 1>the last thing we would smell like. I hope I

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<v Speaker 1>would hope. So I don't know. Maybe I would just

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<v Speaker 1>go with pumpkin pie. I keep coming back to pumpkin pie.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe because it's November. Yeah, yeah, you're anticipating there. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all suggestion. UM. So all right, we're gonna take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick break and when we get back, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about some more about these smellable tweets. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>the smellable tweets again. You can customize this. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>a little device that's going to admit the smell, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it can be a Facebook update, can be a tweet,

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<v Speaker 1>it can be pretty much anything. Um. And how it

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<v Speaker 1>works is actually this device has indexed thousands of smells

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<v Speaker 1>based on their chemical structures and their place on the

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<v Speaker 1>scent spectrum. Each sent is then coded and digitized into

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<v Speaker 1>a small file, and then digital file is embedded in

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<v Speaker 1>web content or email. A user request or triggers the

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<v Speaker 1>file by clicking a mass or opening email, and then

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<v Speaker 1>a small amount of the aroma is admitted by the

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<v Speaker 1>device and it stores a hundred and twenty cents. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>this is pretty base when you are thinking about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the fifteen thousand sins that are out there at least indexed,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're talking about it being open source as well,

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<v Speaker 1>so that would give every in the ability to create

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<v Speaker 1>new annoying smells to go with it. I mean, just

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<v Speaker 1>the sky's the limited's kind of and and if they

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<v Speaker 1>were able to implement a mobile version kind of going

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<v Speaker 1>into the smell a phone thing, I mean, just think

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<v Speaker 1>of every annoying cell phone ringtone that you've heard, not

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<v Speaker 1>only the ones that come with the phones, but the

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<v Speaker 1>custom ones especially. It can be so horrible. Imagine if

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<v Speaker 1>they smell too. Yeah, I know, I know, the potential

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<v Speaker 1>for misuse is great on this, and we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that in a little bit, but let's talk about this

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<v Speaker 1>odor matching. So yeah, a company called basis Note allows

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<v Speaker 1>online datas to upload their scent profiles. And uh this

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<v Speaker 1>is from the biologist and basis Note founder August Emily.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, if everything fits, you have the same interest,

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<v Speaker 1>lots to talk about, but you can stand there smell,

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<v Speaker 1>then a love affair doesn't stand a chance. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense that you would also be able to check

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<v Speaker 1>out someone smell before you meet them, and it gives

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<v Speaker 1>another area for people to lie on on the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only can you lie about what you're what you're into,

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<v Speaker 1>and what you look like, but what you smell like

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Well, here's how you would have to lie.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd have to have someone else take a a lava

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<v Speaker 1>test for you, because this is how they actually get

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<v Speaker 1>the coding for this. You take this lava test which

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<v Speaker 1>is then carried out some sort of test at home

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<v Speaker 1>through a chromatographic process, and it's similar to a pregnancy

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<v Speaker 1>test and the result is this a simple digital code

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<v Speaker 1>which then can be entered into your online profile. And

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<v Speaker 1>the Scientific Compatibility System was launched on Swiss Friends dot

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<v Speaker 1>c a just a Swiss dating site, and at press

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<v Speaker 1>time it costs about fifty dollars. But the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing this is that evolutionary biologists says, there are

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<v Speaker 1>our noses are really involved in choosing our partners and

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<v Speaker 1>what you and I have talked about this before. We've

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<v Speaker 1>heard about this at least peripherally and some of our

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<v Speaker 1>research and we've talked about it. But this is basically

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<v Speaker 1>saying that our nose probes whether or not the other

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<v Speaker 1>person has similar genes to us. Okay, because the more

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<v Speaker 1>varied the gene pools are, the higher the chance for healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>strong offspring. Your nose is detecting this and this is

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<v Speaker 1>just totally fascinating. It works like this, um the more

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<v Speaker 1>major histocompatibility complex molecules you have, the better chance you

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<v Speaker 1>have at bolstering your own immune system, since these molecules

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<v Speaker 1>helped to create a defense reaction in your body, and

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<v Speaker 1>these are called the MHC genes and humans there are

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<v Speaker 1>more than a hundred variations of each of the nine

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<v Speaker 1>of the nine most important MHC genes, and the more

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<v Speaker 1>vary the MHC, the better the immune system of the

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<v Speaker 1>offspring will be armed. Okay, So, according to Hammerley the biologist,

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<v Speaker 1>your specific body odor is actually marked by the MHC

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<v Speaker 1>combinations that you have and then is transmitted in your

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<v Speaker 1>bodily fluids and transformed into your your smell. So in theory, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't know, you know, to what extent this

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<v Speaker 1>is really buttoned up that you could sniff out from

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<v Speaker 1>another person and say, you know what, you're way too

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<v Speaker 1>similar to me with your MHC content. It's not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>work for us. You know, this also brings to mind

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<v Speaker 1>one possibility with the smell a vision, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>in the same way that a stay successful actor will

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<v Speaker 1>have a body double so that during a nude scene

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<v Speaker 1>it will ensure that their body looks amazing. So in

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<v Speaker 1>the future, perhaps they will also have odor doubles just

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<v Speaker 1>to ensure that they also smell amazing. Yeah, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>are you saying like an online dating thing in an

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<v Speaker 1>online dating sort of sense, Like some of that technology

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<v Speaker 1>and some of that data make it see like what

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<v Speaker 1>is the optimal smell that that men want to smell

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<v Speaker 1>uh when contemplating an attractive woman and vice versa of

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<v Speaker 1>course for okay, so this is another sexual inaction. I

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<v Speaker 1>totally get your saying, But again, like this is this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of feeds my fear of how we are continuing

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<v Speaker 1>to isolate ourselves and have virtual relationships with one another,

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<v Speaker 1>which to some extent is fine, right, this is just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the world we live in. But what happens

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<v Speaker 1>when you get down to just living in front of

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<v Speaker 1>your computer and trying to state all five senses and

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<v Speaker 1>then creating these dummy sense to upload. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like your virtual self dating another virtual person,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, ASSU mean that you don't really have a

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<v Speaker 1>relationship a face to face, right, And so that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I think is interesting about this technology is that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously it can be used with video games. It can

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<v Speaker 1>be used video games. Part really interested me. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>one version of this so that's in the works supposedly,

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<v Speaker 1>uh called Odor re Vision, and it's got from a

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<v Speaker 1>French company called Old Faction UM and they have a

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<v Speaker 1>verying on it called smell It. It's aimed at video games.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was looking through the list of some of

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<v Speaker 1>the proposed smells because they have you know, like a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of dozen of them, and they include things like

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<v Speaker 1>precious would smell, um atmosphere, big machines, atmosphere, hospitals, smell

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<v Speaker 1>of cakes, uh, smell naked body, scent of a woman, um,

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<v Speaker 1>odor fabrics, the things of this nature. But but it

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<v Speaker 1>had me wondering in both video games, I'm just laughing

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<v Speaker 1>about scent about naked woman. Scent of a naked woman. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't I don't know how video game

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<v Speaker 1>programmers figured out what that smells like. Oh yeah, um

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<v Speaker 1>no no, But well, what this really makes me think

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<v Speaker 1>about is some we we have we encounter violence and

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<v Speaker 1>and sex in our films, and uh, and especially the

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<v Speaker 1>violence in video games. It to some degree the sex

0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:13.000
<v Speaker 1>or sexual sexuality, and uh, we end up having this

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<v Speaker 1>sterilized version of it, especially violence. So if we even

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<v Speaker 1>even partaking of violence in a video game or witnessing

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<v Speaker 1>violence in a movie, if we smelled the violence, if

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<v Speaker 1>we smell blood, if we smelled decaying bodies, if we

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<v Speaker 1>smelled someone dying and their bowels loosening with death, these

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of things so specific and graphic, well, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a reality, you know. I mean, if if we through,

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<v Speaker 1>if we use this to make death more real when

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<v Speaker 1>it occurs in our fiction and in our in our

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<v Speaker 1>video games, I wonder if that would be a positive thing,

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<v Speaker 1>because as it is, it's like when you know, blood

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<v Speaker 1>is beautiful and red and it splashes everywhere, and these

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<v Speaker 1>films and in these video games, what if you had

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<v Speaker 1>to actually smell it? I think it would kill the

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<v Speaker 1>industry really because then because we know that emotion is

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<v Speaker 1>evoked right from smells and empathy, I mean, all of

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<v Speaker 1>these sort of things would be engaged. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons why we like video games so much or

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<v Speaker 1>even movies, is because we can remove ourselves, we can

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<v Speaker 1>distance ourselves, and we can watch the action unfold without

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<v Speaker 1>any sort of horrible results. Well, I mean it's like

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<v Speaker 1>zombie movies. Who would watch a zombie movie if you

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<v Speaker 1>had to smell the reek of rotting corpses whenever the

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<v Speaker 1>zombie showed up? Try it once? Yeah, well, it would

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<v Speaker 1>definitely make it more horrific. It would be like the

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<v Speaker 1>stink odors that they're shooting at you in the horror movie.

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<v Speaker 1>And for that matter, um, when it comes to things

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<v Speaker 1>like like pornography, if people had to if people watching

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<v Speaker 1>pornography had to smell the smells of of what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>would they be that into it? I don't know, well,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if this biologist is correct in terms of a

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<v Speaker 1>scent prile profile for each person. Um, you know, would

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<v Speaker 1>you be someone's scent during sex sort of turn one

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<v Speaker 1>person off or another? Of course, I think that what

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<v Speaker 1>he's talking about in volution um or within within the

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<v Speaker 1>context of evolution is really uh, it's pretty simplistic, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's so many more things that are going on.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe this is why you know, Match dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>isn't using this technology right now because not necessarily everybody

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<v Speaker 1>is looking for a lifelong partner right when they're using this,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know it also, we don't really know the

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<v Speaker 1>results of this born out at large um, but I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking of us, particularly with the video games too,

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<v Speaker 1>that the smell of fear, and this is something we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about with this little told us right that you

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<v Speaker 1>know that the wall that she created with these nine

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<v Speaker 1>different sets of men's fears, you know, if you are

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<v Speaker 1>piping that in with video game, I mean, that's that

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<v Speaker 1>would be sort of horrific to to smell someone else's fear,

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<v Speaker 1>right because you're not going to reject that it's just

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<v Speaker 1>something that you smell. Yeah, if you're like smell, you're

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<v Speaker 1>in a multiplayer setting and you're smelling the fear of

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<v Speaker 1>your fellow players or your opponents, the kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>especially with something like bomber Man, which is so cartoony.

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:54.480
<v Speaker 1>But then if you were smelling fear during bomber Man,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be kind of crazy. Here's my greatest fear though,

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<v Speaker 1>is that it's going to be used by marketers, like

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where it's just you know, ad infinitum,

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<v Speaker 1>where like you know, you've got a pop up screen

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<v Speaker 1>of coca cola coming on and you can smell coca

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<v Speaker 1>cola or something else, or baked goods, which could get

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 1>really annoying, even if those are things that you like,

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:16.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you're just happy to be like surfing

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like that smell again, yeah, or or scent hacking,

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:22.479
<v Speaker 1>Like what if we reached the point where the house

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:25.280
<v Speaker 1>stuff works homepage smells like nint because I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like it's like, seems delightful, Yeah, but then

0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:31.120
<v Speaker 1>some hackers come along and they make it smell like

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<v Speaker 1>put the entire tread exactly exactly. That would be that

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<v Speaker 1>would be kind of horrific, and that would be the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of abuse you can expect that, my friend, are

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<v Speaker 1>the that that's that's the future smell right there? Yeah,

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 1>But if I can come back to the whole digital world,

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<v Speaker 1>like the other side of this too, is that so

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<v Speaker 1>much is we leave more and more of our lives digitally,

0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 1>and we're we're taking it things in through through the

0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Internet and through games and through movies. We're, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>we're getting that sterile version of it all where we're

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<v Speaker 1>getting a version of it where an entire Uh, one

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:07.639
<v Speaker 1>of our primary senses is cut off. Like, then what

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 1>happens when we actually engage in uh, basically any activity

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<v Speaker 1>in life and we were suddenly hit with the with

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<v Speaker 1>the olfactory dimension of that experience as well? Like, what

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:19.639
<v Speaker 1>what does that do to us? You know? I don't know.

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting because there is this idea about the synthetic

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:27.360
<v Speaker 1>version versus the true version, and then again the repository

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 1>of all of our experiences, our memories being evoked again,

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 1>our emotions by smells. So if you're manipulating them on

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:37.359
<v Speaker 1>a certain level that you know, this this this virtual level,

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>and you're isolated, Yeah, what does that do to you

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<v Speaker 1>you specifically specifically? Yeah, I don't know. We'll find out. Yeah,

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 1>it's it's gonna be an interesting future, I think, because

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like they'll probably not implement all of these

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 1>things to the degree to which we're talking about, because

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like the smell vision factor. It's like

0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:58.920
<v Speaker 1>it reaches the point, yes, we can make movies smell,

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<v Speaker 1>but to what is they're actually an economic payoff? Yeah? Yeah,

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.360
<v Speaker 1>there's some fails they are, for sure, But we already

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<v Speaker 1>know and we've talked about this before that in that

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>retailers us this um quite a bit. You go into

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 1>the Gap or any other major retailer, and most likely

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<v Speaker 1>there's a very specific scent that has been made for

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:18.959
<v Speaker 1>them to help you feel great about your purchase. Right

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<v Speaker 1>to whatever extent it can be, it can be implemented

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<v Speaker 1>and used to make money, it will be used. We

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<v Speaker 1>can be sure of that your computer is gonna smell

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<v Speaker 1>in the future. That's what we're saying. Yeah, no way

0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 1>around it, no way around it, and it won't just

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<v Speaker 1>smell like all the snack macks that you've dropped into,

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 1>which is nothing an unpleasant odor from no. No, there

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<v Speaker 1>we go, the future of smell, the future of stink um.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a few quick listener mails that I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to read um and we're gonna so you'll stip in

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<v Speaker 1>here and grab one. Okay, Drew's one from Timothy dear

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<v Speaker 1>stb y M crew U, which is us. I've always

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<v Speaker 1>thought of zombies as an expression of the other, as

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<v Speaker 1>in the unthinking masses, sheapish crowds of people, etcetera. Uh.

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 1>I believe this is why zombies are so fond of

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<v Speaker 1>urban settings like these shopping mall or the state far

0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 1>where crowds are so common. I also agree with the

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 1>assessment that modern zombies have a parallel with modern work um,

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 1>which often consists of repetition, requiring very little in the

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 1>way of complex problem solving. In this way, they represent

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 1>our horror of the mainstream drudgery of simple repetitive work

0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 1>in the absorption of our individually into the sheepish consumer culture.

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<v Speaker 1>Zombie hunting, therefore, is a radical expression of individuality. How

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<v Speaker 1>ironic then, that zombies are such a wildly popular trend.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for all, Thanks for all the great cast, Tim,

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<v Speaker 1>And of course he was talking responding to our episode

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<v Speaker 1>about apocalypse and our attraction to apocalypse and specifically our

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 1>love with fare with zombie apocalypse. That so some some

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:47.160
<v Speaker 1>interesting thoughts there from Tim. We heard from listener Lindsay

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<v Speaker 1>on Facebook and she says, you guys are rad exclamation

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<v Speaker 1>point um, which is good. I just listened to the

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<v Speaker 1>Martyr podcast. It made me think of a few people

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<v Speaker 1>I know who don't use any meds while getting their

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<v Speaker 1>teeth worked on because they are in recovery from addiction

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 1>their goal of sobriety. But it made me wonder about

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<v Speaker 1>a connection with the history of self abuse equals higher

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 1>through a pain threshold piece of your podcast, since addiction

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<v Speaker 1>could could definitely be considered self abuse anyway, keep up

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<v Speaker 1>the great work. And that's that's interesting because I hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>really I thought as much about that to Menion of

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<v Speaker 1>when we were talking about individuals who say, um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>going to the dental office and don't want drugs use

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<v Speaker 1>stones that there would be some individuals who would be

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to it because they have a history with substance abuse. Likewise,

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<v Speaker 1>you also have people who are straight edge right who

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<v Speaker 1>were refused to take alcohol or drugs, and then how

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<v Speaker 1>does that impact their choices in there? Would they experience

0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:43.480
<v Speaker 1>more pain? That's the question because if you have well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I'm just sort of thinking out a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of here. But if you've got the joke commune

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 1>receptors and abuse them and they've you've released a lot

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 1>of dopamine as a result, might your body best of

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 1>train to be able to do that at well? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. There things to think about. And if anybody

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<v Speaker 1>out there is straight edge, I'd be in honest to hear,

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<v Speaker 1>what what's your relationship with pain? Just don't feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you need to drop like, you know, a saw on

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<v Speaker 1>your foot or anything. Don't don't, don't test your or

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<v Speaker 1>a lead weight. Let's say that because the song on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone is just a little bit too graphic. All right, Well, hey,

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