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Speaker 1: Free agency was about the offensive line, and that all

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Speaker 1: adds up. I just wonder how the secondary will come.

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Speaker 1: They drafted three safeties. Yeah, it's odd, um, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure the Nebraska kids to say, I don't think

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Speaker 1: he is either. I think he's a corner because before

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Speaker 1: the draft everyone called him a corner and then they

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Speaker 1: drafted him now all of a sudden to safety. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I still but even at that, you drafted

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Speaker 1: two safeties. So that tells me if they're leaning towards

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Speaker 1: telling Jesse Bates, hey, we're gonna play this year on

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Speaker 1: the franchise tag and then and we let you walk.

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Speaker 1: But if he's not going to sign the franchise tag,

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Speaker 1: then and you get a problem because you're trying to

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Speaker 1: win now, you know, right. Um. The other thing too,

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Speaker 1: is again we love Dax Hill. Most of Dax Hill's

436
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Speaker 1: snaps last year we're in the slot and Hilton's again

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Speaker 1: much different than Hill. They only look like they played

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Speaker 1: in the same position. But Hilton's good. You know, they're

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they're happy with them. I mean, do you

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Speaker 1: keep him any longer than this year too. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what his contract status is, but he may not.

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Speaker 1: I doubt he's a long term fix for them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: looking at what Greg Rosenthoss to say about them, the

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Speaker 1: entire Bengals starting defense from the Super Bowl is back,

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Speaker 1: and each player is a virtual lock to start again,

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Speaker 1: with the exception of Eli Apple, second round pick Cam

447
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Speaker 1: Taylor Bridge should have a chance to displace Apple. Okay,

448
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Speaker 1: I think that's the best way to use Taylor Britt

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Speaker 1: to go be an outside corner. The safety stuff never

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Speaker 1: really added up to me. The offensive line, on the

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Speaker 1: other hand, is projected to have three new starters. Ted

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Speaker 1: Harris and Alex Kappa aren't necessarily high end starters, but

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Speaker 1: they're competent veterans who have pushed the Bengal's biggest week

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Speaker 1: spots for a year ago to the bench. But you're

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Speaker 1: paying them, you're paying them a lot. And I mean

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Speaker 1: they're paying Kappa decent money. Yeah. Yeah, and they signed

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Speaker 1: him they wanted free agency, you know. And then he's

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Speaker 1: not a superstar. He's better than what they've had. He's

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Speaker 1: a quality guard. Um, he's probably in the James Daniel

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Speaker 1: you know, tear, I'd rather have the Steelers guy um

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Speaker 1: And this is a case of the Steelers and other teams. O.

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Speaker 1: Line continuity doesn't happen overnight either, you know, it's not

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Speaker 1: he does. I think of what they accomplished most, like

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Speaker 1: we said before with their old line is as of now,

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Speaker 1: they don't have any you know, baldos. And there's no

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Speaker 1: terrible guys out there. Right tackle Layo Collins could make

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Speaker 1: or break this group. He has a chance to be

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Speaker 1: one of the best free agent bargains. Okay, that's a

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Speaker 1: good way of saying that, because they could go either way.

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Speaker 1: Joe burrows playing style includes holding the ball to see

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Speaker 1: if he can make a play. But after taking seventies

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Speaker 1: sacks last season, including the playoffs, seventy sacks, not to

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Speaker 1: mention all the ones he took before his injuries rook

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Speaker 1: a year right, easily the most of any quarterback. I

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Speaker 1: wonder if you'll focus on making quicker decisions. I would

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Speaker 1: hope so again. I love Burrows bunch as the next guy.

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Speaker 1: But behind that line, Peyton Manning's taking thirty sacks, right,

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Speaker 1: that's on the quarterback right, Uh, don't be surprised. Oh

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Speaker 1: the Bengals might have the best starting receiver trio in football,

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Speaker 1: yet the death behind them isn't great. They could still

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Speaker 1: use a veteran addition to safeguard against an injury. Interesting

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Speaker 1: because again just referencing the Rams, the Rams have Cup

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Speaker 1: and Raw. They're always adding another receiver one than Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like I bet O'Dell ends up with the Rams, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? So that would be smart. And

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Speaker 1: I think Boyd's time there's gonna be cut short too

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Speaker 1: or not much longer. Yeah, their first round pick next

488
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Speaker 1: year could be a receiver, could be. It says, don't

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Speaker 1: be surprised if Hayden Hurst makes a lot of big plays.

490
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Speaker 1: C J. Zoma had a career high four hundred ninety

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Speaker 1: three yards playing with Burrow a season ago, and Hursts

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Speaker 1: has a better pure receiving skills. I guess. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that by leaps and bounds, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was a first round pick, but he's old. He's

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Speaker 1: he came in a league, very old, a minor league

496
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Speaker 1: baseball career for the Pirates. He it was a Pirate. Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's enough grade or not. We

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Speaker 1: talked tight ends a little earlier with the ram concepts um.

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Speaker 1: I was a little shocked at his Zoma, especially down

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Speaker 1: the stretch, was used as much as he was. But

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Speaker 1: you have those receivers, he's always gonna Yeah. But the

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Speaker 1: one thing I don't agree with, I don't see big

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Speaker 1: plays from hearst if. The worst thing you can say

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Speaker 1: about a roster is questioning its depth, and it's usually

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Speaker 1: a sweet roster. But I do worry about the back

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Speaker 1: end of the Bengals roster. Their defensive line routates less

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Speaker 1: than most groups and was aided by great health. Last season,

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Speaker 1: they were extremely healthy less. That was the best statement

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Speaker 1: and the whole thing by rosenthalm opinions right. And it's

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Speaker 1: really well said that their starters look good. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is a super Bowl team, and but I was

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Speaker 1: sitting and thinking as you were going, you know, team

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Speaker 1: by position by position, I'm like, who's the guy behind

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Speaker 1: these dudes to challenge them? But with the exception of

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Speaker 1: the young secondary, um and injuries are going to be

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Speaker 1: worse this hear them last year. I mean, that's just

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Speaker 1: how bad every dollar I have. Yeah, the team's best

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Speaker 1: depth and strength overall comes in the secondary. They're built

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Speaker 1: to slow down the a f C super bowers in

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Speaker 1: Buffalo in Kansas City. I don't have a first round

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Speaker 1: I don't have first round pick Daxhill listed as a

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Speaker 1: starter yet, but defensive coordinator lou and Aromo will find

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Speaker 1: a way to take advantage of his versatile skills and

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Speaker 1: some three safety looks. Hill can also play a lot

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Speaker 1: out of the slot. Yes, again, I have no qualms

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Speaker 1: with any of those statements. He may not be on

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Speaker 1: the starting nickel as you write it up on paper

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Speaker 1: on NFL dot com. Um for your you know your

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Speaker 1: your journalistic job that Greg's doing. But I bet he's

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Speaker 1: playing man coverage against Mark Andrews twice a year, you

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Speaker 1: know what. All Yah, I'm trying to think what to

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Speaker 1: do again the Steelers, I mean something, and he's gonna play. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson gets most of the attention, but all four

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Speaker 1: defensive line starters are excellent. The Bengals rewarded b J Hill,

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Speaker 1: who outplayed Larry Ogunjobi last season. Yeah, okay, and they're

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Speaker 1: not particularly old, you know. I don't know if there's

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Speaker 1: a superstar in that group, but it's a good de line. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's good. The line depth isn't wonderful. I like so

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Speaker 1: much about this roster, But the Bengals chances of getting

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Speaker 1: back to the super Bowl come down to Burrow in

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Speaker 1: his skill position. Friends, they make this team special and

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Speaker 1: if they can take another step together, they'll be right

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Speaker 1: back in the title mix. Okay, Um, this is the

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Speaker 1: third a f C North team we've discussed, and it's

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Speaker 1: I would rank their coaching staff third two in terms

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Speaker 1: to get those things out of them and handle winning

547
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Speaker 1: and handle being the hunted and all those things that

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Speaker 1: the Ravens and Steelers are very used to. I would

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Speaker 1: agree with that, and I think that gets a little underplay.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you saw it last year with the Browns

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Speaker 1: for example, Um right, Kevist the Fancy's coach of the Year,

552
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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they can't they can't

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Speaker 1: get out of their own way. Lesh and the Browns

554
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Speaker 1: are saying things like we were the words worry about

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs, Yeah, be careful, right? I mean even if

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Speaker 1: you look at this, whether you know their their secondary

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Speaker 1: is built to slow down the a f C superpowers

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Speaker 1: in Kansas City, in Buffalo, stop stopping the run against

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Speaker 1: the Ravens and Browns. Exactly exactly, I think you always

560
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Speaker 1: have to think the vision. I think the Steelers got

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Speaker 1: caught up in that a little bit. Yeah, um, you

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Speaker 1: know you, Okay, we gotta we gotta do everything we

563
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Speaker 1: can to beat the find a way to beat the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: beat the Patriots, and then all of a sudden, here

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Speaker 1: comes Jacksonville with a power running game and you can't

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Speaker 1: stop it. And the division is tough, and you know,

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00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: this division is really tough this year. No, I think

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00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: you can get ahead of yourself that way too. Or again,

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Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with the Bills draft than

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Speaker 1: Cook or the Chiefs draft and Clyde Edwards a lair.

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Speaker 1: But even when you're on top, some time to get cute,

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Speaker 1: you know, like I'm gonna take this satellite back, you know, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're not that good. I mean, you're not so far

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Speaker 1: ahead of the rest of the league. And I think

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00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: the Patriots were really good at that too. They still

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Speaker 1: kept there. They took their guards and their linebackers, and

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Speaker 1: they're tough guys. They didn't look at it like we're

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Speaker 1: one little cute position away from, you know, staying on top.

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Speaker 1: And I think they realized that well on their heyday. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So we'll see. I think the Bengals have a good roster.

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Speaker 1: They do, um, but I do think that the depth

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Speaker 1: is an issue. And you know, if they get hit

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Speaker 1: by injuries, which they didn't do last year, um, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure their injury situation will be worse. I'm almost positive

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Speaker 1: and almost there's nowhere to go. But down right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can't keep everybody healthy. Uh, you know, it just

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Speaker 1: takes you know, a couple of guys here, you know,

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Speaker 1: who's who's picking up the slack. I'm just gonna pick

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Speaker 1: a guy. Okay, So let's let's say Tee Higgins goes down,

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Speaker 1: then what or John Williams or even Mixing or you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean we're not talking Burrow and Chase here or

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Speaker 1: you know, right Hendrickson or even Hubbard or you know. Again,

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Speaker 1: depth isn't great. Yeah, so I mean that could. And

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Speaker 1: that's the when you take when you take a team

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Speaker 1: that was picking first in the draft just two years

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Speaker 1: ago and they make that jump and stayed healthy, it

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Speaker 1: kind of didn't It kind of masks that. But this

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Speaker 1: the roster just two years ago was a to win team. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they need Penny Swell and Jamaar Chase unbelievably bad. It's

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Speaker 1: a tough conversation. Yeah, well, they're happy with their choice,

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Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that they didn't have tons of

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Speaker 1: needs just a year ago, you know, and they it

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Speaker 1: picked in the top three two years in a row,

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Speaker 1: and then they had a really good Super Bowl year.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not diminishing their super Bowl run at all,

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Speaker 1: but I thought it was one of the weaker Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl runs I've seen, just in terms of I didn't know,

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Speaker 1: including the Rams, I didn't think there was a great

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Speaker 1: team in the NFL last year. You know, you know,

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Speaker 1: in most years there is. And good for them, I

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Speaker 1: mean it's it's a massive leap forward, and that's that

612
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: fan base deserves it. But they barely got past the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: They barely got past the Titans, you know. Like and

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Speaker 1: I love Burrow, but I don't know that he's the

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Speaker 1: next homes. Yeah, I agree. I agree. We're gonna take

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Speaker 1: another break when we come back. We're got to go

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Speaker 1: over the Browns roster, so we will do that and

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Speaker 1: we return. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lali.

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Speaker 1: Sports Complex here for Steelers O t A s will

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Speaker 1: start of Phase three and we're going over the rosters

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Speaker 1: from the other a f C North teams were also

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Speaker 1: with the Steelers in this uh in this little set

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Speaker 1: set up here as well, pointing over Greg Rosenthal's piece

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Speaker 1: North and its rosters. And now we're up to the

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns match final final edition here. Yeah. Uh, looking

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Speaker 1: at the the the positions here, listening to Shaun Watson

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Speaker 1: as the starting quarterback. He is their starting quarter he is,

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Speaker 1: but as Greg said at the beginning of this, he said,

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Speaker 1: he's he's he's putting making this as the guy he

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Speaker 1: thinks will take the most snaps there this season. Shawn

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Speaker 1: Watson takes the most snaps of any bank of any

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Speaker 1: Browns quarter season. I don't think he does either. I

639
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: think that's for set. I think so as well. I

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Speaker 1: think Baker takes zero. Baker is not going to be

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Speaker 1: in the equation. I don't think he'll visit Barreya again

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Speaker 1: in his life, not unless he's driving to pack some stuff. Right,

643
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: maybe has some friends there that he is going to

644
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Speaker 1: go to a dinner party or something. No, I don't

645
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Speaker 1: think he will put the Brown's uniform on over over

646
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: under on Deshaun Watson leading the bank or the Brown

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Speaker 1: keep peeling the Bengals the Browns in snaps this season?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's it favors more? I think it's under. Yeah.

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00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: I mean there's two things though. I mean, obviously there's

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Speaker 1: a suspension, and I think the owners who we really

651
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Speaker 1: know run this league are not happy with how this went,

652
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: the Brown's acquisition of ross of Watson and the guaranteed money.

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Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean that the suspension is going to

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Speaker 1: be heavier because of it, but it might be if

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Speaker 1: thirty one owners aren't thrilled with it, the ramifications might

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Speaker 1: be harsher than people think. Well, and there's the the

657
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Speaker 1: I know they won't look at this as a precedent setting,

658
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: but Trevor bauerd in baseball, guys just spend it for

659
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Speaker 1: two years for a similar type similar right with with

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Speaker 1: way fewer accusations actions. Yes, and I guess you know

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Speaker 1: you you mentioned to see before we on the air.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get this news sort of soon. I guess

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Speaker 1: he's been meeting with teams. I mean, it seems like

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Speaker 1: the right time of year will be fair to the

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Speaker 1: Browns to know, because yeah, if you're in an O

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Speaker 1: t a situation like this, you're gonna you know, give

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Speaker 1: Verse out a little bit more or Watson or you know,

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Speaker 1: getting him used to things. Um, I think it's a

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Speaker 1: minimum of six. I think it could be as many

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Speaker 1: as ten, twelve. I would say, I think it's a chance.

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00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: At seventeen, there's there's that opportunity to and he could

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Speaker 1: even do I think he's gonna get suspended for all

673
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Speaker 1: of three as well. I don't think that's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: I don't. But the longer these cases drag out, could

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Speaker 1: he be put on the Commissioner's suspended list and and

676
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: you know, while while this is still being you know handled,

677
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: And there's all kinds of things that could happen here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the two things I wanted to mention too

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00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: that aren't as obvious as boy he's there's and should

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Speaker 1: come and we're waiting for it is the Browns know

681
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Speaker 1: there's a suspension coming, or they would not have structured

682
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Speaker 1: his contract the way they did. You know, he's only

683
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Speaker 1: making a million dollars this year. That's gonna get deducted

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Speaker 1: by x amount of games, which is nothing in the

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00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: whole scheme of the contractual world. So again, money talks.

686
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: These teams tell you what they think. But the other

687
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: aspect of it too, and this is there's some trade

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00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: lance to this as well, like he hasn't played him

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Speaker 1: a long time, a long time, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: Like is he more apt to pull a hammy the

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Speaker 1: first time he's back or just have general rust? I mean,

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00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: playing the game is important and it's been a long

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Speaker 1: time since he's playing the game now running back, the

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00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: Browns have Nick Chubb of course. Uh. You also then

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00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: at wide receiver, they've completely, not completely, but have made

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Speaker 1: this over. Their whole passing game has been made. You're

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Speaker 1: looking at a Murray Cooper, Donovan, People's Jones, and David

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Speaker 1: Bell at wide receiver. I think that's the top three,

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Speaker 1: with David and Joeku at tight end. Yes, it's an

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00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: okay group, but it's um Again, it's a whole new

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Speaker 1: passing game. The offensive line, Jadrick Willis left tackle, Joel

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Speaker 1: Platonio left guard, Nick Harris' centers now the with Wyatt

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Speaker 1: Teller and Jack Conklin on the right side, Nick Harris

704
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Speaker 1: at center. And he's somebody they obviously, of course, no

705
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: way more about than I do know. They drafted him,

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Speaker 1: developed him. They must have some optimism about the young man.

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Speaker 1: And you've seen you know, mid round centers, you know

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Speaker 1: do okay. But they used to have a powerhouse, five

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00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: expensive offensive line, and all of a sudden it's down

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00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: to four. Conklin's kind of held together with duct tape

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00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: a little bit too. I think Wills is gonna be

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00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: a really good player, and the guards are good, but

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Speaker 1: it's not as good a line as they've had. They've

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Speaker 1: had a great line. The defense, Myles Garrett and Jadeveon

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Speaker 1: Clowne who at defensive end. The defensive tackles Taven Brian

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Speaker 1: and Jordan Elliott, Davin Bryan starting there. In trouble, they're

717
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: in trouble if David Bryant is the starter, real trouble.

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00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: They drafted the kid out of Ohio State. Uh togy

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Speaker 1: I's he's just a run stuffer, but I kind of

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Speaker 1: liked him last year a year ago. The interior de line, though,

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Speaker 1: is not so great. Who was the other one besides

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Speaker 1: Jordan Elliott. He's okay too, you know. I mean again,

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Speaker 1: he's like Togy I young up and come a guy,

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Speaker 1: um Tavin Bryan. I'm not picking on the guy, but

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Speaker 1: it's one of my favorite descriptions of a player I've

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Speaker 1: ever heard. And he was described when he was drafted

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00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: as J J. Watt with a lobotomy and that's how

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Speaker 1: he plays. And he's great looking, he's long, he's unbelievably athletic,

729
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: explodes off the ball, but doesn't have any clue what

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Speaker 1: he's doing. There's a little bit of clowne Ei there

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Speaker 1: and some of that too, right, you know. And really,

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Speaker 1: besides Garrett, I don't see any edge benders of the group.

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Speaker 1: You know. Clowney's a physical, beat you down the middle

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Speaker 1: type of guy. The linebackers are Jeremiah Willshon Cormoa and

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Speaker 1: Anthony Walker. I really like a wise with Cormora, but

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Speaker 1: he's too twenty on a good day. And when you

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Speaker 1: get back to the offensive line not being the protection

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Speaker 1: issue the defensive line, right, I mean, like a bush situation.

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Speaker 1: You draft him thinking we're gonna be big and physical

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Speaker 1: upfront and let him running hit. Well, if your d

741
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: tackles are light, it's going to affect those guys too. Yeah.

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00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: At cornerback, they've got Denzel Ward, Greg Newsom, and Greedy Williams.

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Speaker 1: Pretty good. I don't think Williams is much of a factor.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure why, because they traded Troy Hill, right,

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00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: That's what I don't get, trying to think that they

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Speaker 1: did they draft I mean, they didn't draft early, but

747
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: did they draft a corner uh rookie Martin Emerson battling

748
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: for the number three roll with me? Okay, I mean

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Speaker 1: they must have felt good enough. I can't remember what.

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Speaker 1: Did they trade Hill before the draft or did they

751
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: trade him after drafting Emerson? I thought before the draft too,

752
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Speaker 1: because you're strange, Treedy is not a slot. They just

753
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: gave Hill money to be their slot two years ago. Yeah,

754
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: and you're trying to be for very little yea, Yeah,

755
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: that's an issue. The safeties are John Johnson and Grant Delpit.

756
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: They're good, not great. Yeah, I mean yeah, I again,

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00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: it's I think it's an average at best defense. I

758
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: think Garrett's a total superstar. I don't know. I think

759
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: Ward's a really good corner um and I don't think

760
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: depth here is particularly good. It's actually quite bad. But

761
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: in the more i'm thinking about, you know, it's one

762
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: of those one of the struggles of giving up draft

763
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: picks for Cooper and Watson and these guys is depth

764
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: is gonna be a little problematic, especially at the tackle.

765
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: I don't think they have linebackers waiting in the wings. Yeah,

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00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: I think depth is an issue. Here's what Greg Rosemhithal

767
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: has to say. Deshaun Watson's availability is the biggest uncertainty

768
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: in the entire NFL heading into the two season. Presumably

769
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Speaker 1: Jacobe Risette will start. It's just if if Watson is

770
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Speaker 1: suspended to start the year. Yeah, that's a problem. It's

771
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: a problem. I mean, he's as backup goes he's fine. Yeah,

772
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's good. An eight game stretch

773
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: of Jacobi per said is not gonna work out. No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're better be one of the best running

775
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Speaker 1: teams in the league, which they've been, But I don't

776
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: know that it's sustainable either. Yea, the offensive line should

777
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Speaker 1: be among the best in football game, and the backfield

778
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: remains outrageous. I'm surprised, however, so little attention has been

779
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Speaker 1: paid to the receiver depth. They need rookie David Bell

780
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Speaker 1: to be a hit in the slot, yeah, and even

781
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Speaker 1: a hit is going to be strong. I mean, they

782
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Speaker 1: need him to be a serviceable slot, which I think

783
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: he projects to. I think People's Jones has some breakout potential. UM.

784
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Speaker 1: Anthony Schwartz doesn't do much for me except for running

785
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,479
Speaker 1: real fast on the sideline and is Cooper's best days

786
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: behind him. I mean he's a quality receiver. He's better

787
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: than what they've had, UM, but I don't know that

788
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: he's super explosive or super consistent. Yeah, the defensive line

789
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: makes a lot more sense after bringing back Jadavian Clowney.

790
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Speaker 1: He's a perfect pass rusher to compliment Myles Garrett, while

791
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Speaker 1: Chase Winovich could turn it to be a smart pick

792
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: up as a rotational edge rusher. I don't know if

793
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: Jadeveon Clowney is the perfect compliment. I don't think perfect

794
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: comment with anybody. I mean, I don't think he's much

795
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: of a pass rusher and I think he's a disruptor

796
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: the best way I've heard Clowney described and I agree

797
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: with that. He's good against the run. The Browns were

798
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: too easy to run on last year in the defensive

799
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: depth tackle depth chart is still not a strength, right Yeah.

800
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Wilson Cormo played like a burgeoning star as a rookie.

801
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: He has the instincts and movement that is rare for

802
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: his position. Second round draft pick could emerge as one

803
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: of the Browns best players. I am on board with that.

804
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: I would be buying j ok Stock right now. Denzel

805
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: Warden Gregg Knews from the second make for a terrific cornerback.

806
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: Do they were a little thinner at the position after

807
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: trading Troy Hill, with Greedy Williams and rookie Martin Emerson

808
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: battling for the number three role. I don't know that

809
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: any of those guys is a true slot. No, I

810
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: don't see any slots on the team right now. I

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00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: would be in the market for a cheap guy there.

812
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: I would also be calling the Eddie Goldman the keem

813
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: Hicks of the world too, you know, I mean, if

814
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: they have the space they have, I yeah, johnh Yeah.

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00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: John Johnson didn't provide an impact commensurate with the big

816
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: contract he signed a year ago. One more season in

817
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: Joe Woods system should help it or could wind up

818
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: being a short stay for Cleveland. In Cleveland for Johnson,

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Speaker 1: it's funny, I was thinking the exact same thing. Is like,

820
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: that was an okay signing before they gave him a

821
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Speaker 1: lot of money. And is he give me the next

822
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: on the Troy Hill list where we paid you too much,

823
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: We shouldn't have been shopping in free agency this way,

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Speaker 1: or will he step up a little bit and Bess