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Speaker 2: Is President Trump still America First when it comes to

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Speaker 2: H one B Visa's The short answer is yes, my friends.

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Speaker 2: But the longer answer is what we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about here after all of the hubbub, the hullabaloo, the controversy,

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Speaker 2: after the interview he did with Laura Ingram, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: make sense of it all for you. First of all,

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Speaker 2: President Trump is a realist and is, as he has

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Speaker 2: pointed out many times, including in this interview, the guy

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Speaker 2: who better understands the America First movement more than anyone else,

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Speaker 2: considering that he is the founder and leader of it.

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Speaker 2: But I understand why there was a little bit of

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Speaker 2: concern after this particular answer on Laura Ingram show about

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Speaker 2: H one B eases. I want to explain what is

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Speaker 2: real about this or what is concerning about H one

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Speaker 2: of yes Trump translation on this one for you.

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Speaker 3: You have to talk about it, and does that mean

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Speaker 3: the h one B visa thing will not be a

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Speaker 3: big priority for your administration because if you want to

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Speaker 3: raise wages for American workers, you can't flood the country

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Speaker 3: with tens of thousands or hundreds of age.

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Speaker 4: And we also do have to bring in talent when

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Speaker 4: we're gony of talent and they know, you don't know,

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Speaker 4: you don't we don't have talented. No, you don't have

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Speaker 4: you don't have certain talents, and you have to people

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Speaker 4: have to learn. You can't take people off an unemployed

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Speaker 4: like an unemployment line and say I'm going to put

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Speaker 4: you into a factory who we're going to make missiles

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Speaker 4: or I'm going.

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Speaker 2: To put how do we ever do it before?

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Speaker 4: Well lemon and I I'll give you an example. In Georgia,

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Speaker 4: they rated because they wanted illegal immigrants. They had people

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Speaker 4: from from South Korea that need batteries all their lives.

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Speaker 4: You know, making batteries are very complicated. It's not an

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Speaker 4: lot of problems. They had like five or six hundred

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Speaker 4: how to do it well. They wanted them to get

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Speaker 4: out of the country you're going to need that lure.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I know you and I disagree on this.

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Speaker 4: You can't just say a country's coming in, going to

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Speaker 4: to take people off an unemployment line who haven't worked

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Speaker 4: in five years, and they're going to start making the missiles.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't work that way.

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Speaker 2: So here's the thing. There are cases where President Trump

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Speaker 2: is and this is what he's referring to, where he

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Speaker 2: is correct on this one. There are areas where we

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Speaker 2: actually don't have the capability here at home to immediately

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Speaker 2: employ only Americans to do certain jobs. An example of

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Speaker 2: this is TSMC, Taiwan semiconductor manufacturing company they have set up. Now.

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Speaker 2: I just was over in Taiwan, so this is top

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Speaker 2: of mind for me. They have an absolute critical role

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Speaker 2: fifty percent of all semiconductors, microchips, same thing, but ninety

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Speaker 2: percent of the top end, the high end, the stuff

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Speaker 2: high end chips. They are the ones that make them,

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Speaker 2: they are the ones that are able to do so.

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Speaker 2: And it is an incredibly complicated and intricate process, not

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Speaker 2: operate what they're doing in Arizona on our own. So

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Speaker 2: this is something where you do actually need to have

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Speaker 5: Twenty thirty years we have offshort precision manufacturing jobs. And

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Speaker 5: the President's point here is we again, we can't snap

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Speaker 5: build ships overnight. We want to bring semiconductor industry back

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Speaker 5: So I think the president's vision here is to bring

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Speaker 4: So you do you understand the concern that people have, Hey,

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Speaker 4: an American can have that job?

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Speaker 2: Why and give it to it?

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Speaker 5: But American can have that job so specific skills because

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Speaker 5: we haven't built ships in the US for years, we

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Speaker 2: Okay, exactly right. There are going to be some places

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Speaker 2: to do it here at home. Now, that's one part

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Speaker 2: of this. But we got into this about a year ago.

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Speaker 2: There was a very contentious exchange that was happening online

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Speaker 2: involving Elon musk On, vivek Ramaswami and a number of

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Speaker 2: foreign workers in America and h one B's h one

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Speaker 2: B visas are very much abused, and it is clear

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Speaker 2: that they have been used by a lot of companies

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Speaker 2: to do something that's really gross. You see, they underpay,

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Speaker 2: and you say, well, why are they able to do that, Well,

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Speaker 2: they're able to do it because these individuals are tethered

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Speaker 2: to some other company that easily. They have to stay

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Speaker 2: But the part of it that's really also very gross

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Speaker 2: that is they can then use that as a pathway

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Speaker 2: pay for their benefits, you know, deal with English as

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Speaker 2: advantage they may have with this, And keep in mind

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Speaker 2: these aren't necessarily highly skilled individuals at all. There are

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Speaker 2: which is another It's a complete abuse, a total abuse

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Speaker 2: is why there was such a pushback initially against what

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Speaker 2: Trump said. Trump is right, there are areas where we

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Speaker 2: do need the H one B visas that are currently here,

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Speaker 2: or highly specialized individuals we're here, but it's a very

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Speaker 2: supposed to be that. So that's why it's even worse.

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Speaker 2: It should be only special H one B should only

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Speaker 2: It would really be hard to find someone else in

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Speaker 2: Might even less than one percent, but it's definitely less

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Speaker 2: back to this big discussion about H one B and

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Speaker 2: I might add, it's actually more than just the visa issue.

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Speaker 2: Here is Secretary of Homeland Security Gnome on the H

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Speaker 6: Now, we're going to keep using our visa programs, We're

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Speaker 6: just going to make sure that they have integrity, that

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Speaker 6: we're actually doing the vetting of the individuals who come

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Speaker 6: so remarkable is under the Trump administration, we've sped up

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Speaker 6: green cards, to all of that. But also more people

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Speaker 6: building some processes back into our immigration policies. We're also

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Speaker 6: for the right reasons. The Biden administration led thousands of

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Speaker 6: and we fixed all of it.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, let's get into this now. Gonna make sure

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Speaker 2: they were doing the vetting, make sure they're here for

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Speaker 2: the right reasons. Okay, not terrorists. Yeah, that's all good.

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Speaker 2: Sped up our process, add an integrity the visa program,

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Speaker 2: to green card. She says, more people are becoming citizens

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Speaker 2: because we're not just streamlined and building some processes back

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Speaker 2: take a real pause on migration into America or certainly

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Speaker 2: a dramatic decline of legal I'm talking legal now migration

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