1 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: All right, Kevin, who is your guest this week? We 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: have Zoe one name, yes, Zoe with two ease Zoe, Like, 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: I don't know who other one name artists the Donna 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: share Tupac Drake, got anymore? 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: Maybe Dirk's No, that dark's Bentley. 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: No, okay, no, that's somebody who goes by their first name, like, 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: it's not Tupac Johnson and we just call him Tubac. Okay, 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: Riva still Reba McIntyre for the most party here, I'm done. 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: So how did you find out about Zoe? 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 3: Good? 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: Old algorithm social media. 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 4: Instagram came across her and then I was checking out 13 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 4: her Instagram and she's from Australia and she seemed like 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 4: a fun, happy girl. 15 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 3: And I sound like Australia with Mars. 16 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: But you'll never believe it. 17 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: She's from Australia. 18 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: It's so far though. 19 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: Have you ever been there? I have not. I don't 20 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 3: know why talking that voice, but still all right? 21 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: Season two, Episode three of un Signed and Independent with 22 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell, who you may also know is kick off 23 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: Kevin on twenty five Whistles and so as he said, 24 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 1: she's from a whole other world called Australia. 25 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: Her name is Zoe, and then you've seen her in person. 26 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I went and saw her at a local writer's round. 27 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: Did you go see her after you saw her on 28 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: social media and you thought about her for the show 29 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: or did you just stumble across her after you'd randomly 30 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: seen her? 31 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 5: No? 32 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 4: I found her on Instagram first, then reached out to 33 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 4: her and said, hey, do you have any show. 34 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: It's coming out. I'd like to meet you and see 35 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 2: you before before we sit down and talk. 36 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: So I'm with research man. Yeah, like a you. 37 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: Zoe moved to the UK from Australia and then Nashville 38 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: last year. Kevin gets into that, and then it's about 39 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: how long has she been here in time to say 40 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: a year? That's what you said that? Yeah, like a 41 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: year as in this COVID count as No year's. 42 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: No, like a year as in twenty twenty two. 43 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 3: Okay, so I put is she good? That's awesome? That's 44 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 3: all I needed to hear. 45 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: It's great, all right, unsigned it independent with Kevin O'Connell. 46 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: Here he is with Zoe, who to him is from 47 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: another galaxy. 48 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 3: Apparently. All right, here you go, Thank you guys. 49 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 4: This is my first international, I would say, guest, I've 50 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 4: had on the unsigned and independent. 51 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: So I am very excited. 52 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 6: I'm so honored, very thrilled, so honored. That is the 53 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 6: big Yeah, thank you so much. 54 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: It's a big deal. 55 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 6: So wow, no pressure, no, no, no, none at all, 56 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 6: not at all. 57 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 4: And I'm sure our audience can already hear your accent, 58 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 4: so let's just dive right into it. 59 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: You are from. 60 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, So I'm from Tasmania, at the very very bottom 61 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 6: of Australia. 62 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 7: It's the most southern state we have. 63 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 6: The next stop is Antarctica, and I moved out here 64 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 6: last year to chase music. 65 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 7: And you know, this crazy dream of creating a ride. 66 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 4: What is it like a girl from Australia Because forgive me, 67 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 4: as you know, we can sometimes be naive as Americans 68 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 4: and just think the only thing that happens in the 69 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 4: world happens here, right, And the only thing that happens 70 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 4: does happen here? Yeah, in country music happens in Nashville. 71 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 4: So what does a girl from Australia think to herself, Like, 72 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 4: how did you find out about Nashville? What made you 73 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 4: think I want to move to Nashville? Where did that 74 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 4: come from? 75 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 3: All right. 76 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 6: So the first time I ever heard of Nashville, I 77 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 6: so quick little backstory before that. I grew up in 78 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 6: the middle of nowhere. My family and I lived super isolated. 79 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 6: We were about five six hours drive from the nearest city, 80 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 6: and you know, like we lived off the land a 81 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 6: lot of times, and so it was a pretty amazing 82 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 6: childhood getting to grow up like that. So we only had radio, 83 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 6: we didn't have internet, we didn't have phone signal, we 84 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 6: didn't have like TV. So I grew up listening to 85 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 6: a lot of records and a lot of tapes and 86 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 6: a lot of radio. So anytime i'd get a chance, 87 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 6: and you know, from friends or whatever, I'd borrow DVDs 88 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 6: or VHS's and watch documentaries on artists and stuff because 89 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 6: I loved music. And so I remember we ended up 90 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 6: and I can't quite recall how we got a copy, 91 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 6: but we got a copy of the Neil Young documentary 92 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 6: here in Nashville when he was doing Heart of Gold. 93 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 6: And I watched that over and over and over, and 94 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 6: it was the first time I really heard about Nashville. 95 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 6: And I was like, oh, my gosh, I want to 96 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 6: be there. 97 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 7: That's like the place. 98 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 6: And I'd already fallen in love with music from a 99 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 6: little kid. I grew up listening to everything from like 100 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 6: Merl Haggard to ac DC and everything in the middle. 101 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 6: And one of my favorite pastimes is, you know, listening 102 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 6: to Rod Stewart, of all things, he was my lullaby 103 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 6: music is like a four year old kid, I'd put 104 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 6: on a cassette tape and fall asleep. 105 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 7: To Rod Stewart. So music has always been a very big. 106 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 6: Part of my life. And so that was the first 107 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 6: time I really got to hear about Nashville. 108 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 4: And your family doing some research here talking before is 109 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 4: you're all musicians? Is that correct? Or you just come 110 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 4: from a family that loves music in general? 111 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 7: Bose. 112 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 6: So, my dad plays guitar. He always had a guitar 113 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 6: kicking around the house. My brothers all play other instruments 114 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 6: as well. My mom she's like radio. She likes to 115 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 6: play radio. That's her that's her instrument. She's the first 116 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 6: one to tell you, which is great. She does play 117 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 6: bass as well, but she wouldn't tell you that. So 118 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 6: my dad always had a guitar around the house, and 119 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 6: so he was like, I'm going to show you the 120 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 6: first couple of chords, and so that was it, and 121 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 6: he's like, I don't want to teach you anything more. 122 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 6: He said, I want you just to learn your own 123 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 6: way of playing it, because I don't want to influence 124 00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 6: you with my style. 125 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 7: You could learn your way. 126 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 6: And so I was always extremely grateful to him for 127 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 6: that because it did allow me to have this, you know, 128 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 6: unique sound. 129 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 7: And I started writing songs. 130 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 6: And I was about ten or twelve when I really 131 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 6: started kind of gravitating towards writing my own stuff. 132 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 7: So, but yeah, it was a very very musical house. 133 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 6: There was always music being played or Dad was I 134 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 6: was out with a guitar playing something and around the campfire, 135 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 6: would always sit around and sing songs. 136 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 7: My grandparents were always extremely musical, and. 137 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 6: You know, so it was it was my grandma actually, 138 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 6: she used to sing on our local radio stations down 139 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 6: there as well. 140 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 7: So wo yes, that's kind of like I've got a lot. 141 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 6: Of music history in that sense, but I'm sort of 142 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 6: the first one to take it internationally. 143 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 2: What about your siblings, any siblings. 144 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 6: Yes, I have I have how many do I have? 145 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 6: Four siblings? Yeah, so two of them moved across the 146 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 6: world with me. My two younger brothers, my parents moved 147 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 6: with me and they all said, we want to help 148 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 6: you kind of chase your dream. 149 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 7: Basically, we're here to support you and do whatever we 150 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 7: can to help you. And wow. 151 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, Like we literally left Astrat. They bought the dogs, 152 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 6: you know, suitcase each. 153 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 7: And that was it and we left and we. 154 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 6: Moved to the UK six years ago. And we was 155 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 6: over there. You know, it was doing you know, pretty good, 156 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 6: was playing shows and it was going real good until 157 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 6: COVID hit and then it was like, eh, you know 158 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 6: how all that went. But yeah, so the family's just 159 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 6: been the most incredible support all the way through with 160 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 6: all of it. 161 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 7: And they're here now. Actually they're they're with me, which 162 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 7: is the best. 163 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 4: So they're living in Nashville with you. Yeah, currently, And 164 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 4: you guys all moved here at the same time. Yeah, 165 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 4: did you ever come here before you all moved here? 166 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 4: Or is it like I just seen it on documentaries 167 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 4: and I heard about it and it's gotta be real. 168 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 4: It's like people go to Hollywood. 169 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 2: That's so funny, you know. 170 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 7: Yes, So we had been back and forth a couple 171 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 7: of times beforehand. I first, when I. 172 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 6: First came to Nashville, I came with the ukulele, and 173 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 6: the only gig I could get was out at Bobby's 174 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 6: Idol Hour and it. 175 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 7: Was before they moved. 176 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 6: So it was like I walked in there and I 177 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 6: swear it was like walking into a christ Fist office 178 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 6: and song. It was like there's money on the walls 179 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,559 Speaker 6: and there's like cigarette smoke everywhere and the floors are sticky, 180 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 6: and I'm like, man, this is what I want, you know, 181 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 6: this is this is where I need to be. I 182 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 6: walked in there, I was so nervous, So I had 183 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 6: my leakal ali and I played like three songs and 184 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 6: then there's like six people. 185 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 7: In the audience and I'm like, I got this. 186 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: That was your first. 187 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 6: Gig, That's my first gig, Yeah, full gig ever actually 188 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 6: outside of family. 189 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 7: But yeah, it was. 190 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 6: It was the best and I was hooked, and so yeah, 191 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 6: we're doing back and forth a few times after that. 192 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 6: Got to play CMA Festival in twenty nineteen, which was awesome, 193 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 6: just poor COVID and all that craziness happened. And then 194 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 6: after all that, got my visor and then moved here 195 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 6: last year. 196 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: Wow, So what is that like? 197 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 4: Surviving the times through COVID We're tough for a lot 198 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 4: of people, and people that are already established, and then 199 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 4: I can't even imagine people who you know, don't have 200 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 4: the backing of a huge label or management to make 201 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 4: sure they can get through a year or two without 202 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 4: maybe getting paid or getting gigs. And what was that 203 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 4: struggle like for you, especially coming from overseas. 204 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, it was. It was a tough run. 205 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 6: Like I had shows, I had a tour actually booked 206 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 6: out through Europe for that whole year too, and then 207 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 6: more shows back here in the US, and everything got canceled, 208 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 6: you know, And it was of course, you're doing, as 209 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 6: you say, being an independent artist. 210 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 7: You're doing everything yourself, whereas once. 211 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 6: Upon a time you would have a label with a 212 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 6: booking agent, you know, organizing this stuff for you or 213 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 6: taking care of your marketing or taking care of everything. 214 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 7: You know, you're organizing or going out on the road. 215 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 7: There's a lot. 216 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 6: Of, you know, stuff that goes into it, and so 217 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 6: to have that just kind of fall apart was devastating. 218 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 7: So that was, you know, it was a really tough 219 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 7: time for me too. 220 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 6: I kind of I kind of went inward and thought, 221 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 6: all right, now, what are we going to do? 222 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 7: You know. 223 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 6: And there was a few times too in the midst 224 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 6: of all that, and I know a lot of artists 225 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 6: went through the same thing. It was like should we 226 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 6: give up? Do we stop? Like what's going to happen? 227 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 6: We don't know where this is going to go? Can 228 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 6: we even go back on the road anymore? Can we 229 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 6: release music? 230 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 5: Can we? 231 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 7: So it was a really tough, challenging time. So I 232 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 7: ended up. 233 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 6: Falling onto songwriting and I started writing with everybody I could, 234 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 6: but a lot of writers here in Nashville too. Everyone 235 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 6: started writing on Zoom, which was really great. So I 236 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 6: got to meet lots of people and lots of writers 237 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 6: here and kind of it really opened a lot of 238 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 6: doors for me that I didn't expect to open. So 239 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 6: there's a lot of good things that came from a 240 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 6: lot of things that also. 241 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 4: Wasn't crect right right, a little ups and downs. Yeah, 242 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 4: And you think your family support throughout the whole thing, 243 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 4: from the beginning till now and even obviously moving forward, 244 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 4: has been a huge upbringing for you and a big 245 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 4: backbone for you. 246 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 6: I should say I could not do it without them, 247 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 6: like just emotionally having their support behind the back of me, 248 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 6: Like they've been because. 249 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 7: It's a lot of work and it's a lot of energy. 250 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 6: And you know, if you haven't got somebody or anybody 251 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 6: behind you that really believe in you, it's very easy 252 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 6: to just feel like you're overwhelmed by it because there's 253 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 6: so much you're doing. You haven't got as we said 254 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 6: about a label, you haven't got that support. So you 255 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 6: need people that really genuinely believe in you. And do 256 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 6: you know the family too, more than anything. They know 257 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 6: me from a little kid, so they know all of 258 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 6: my quirks and my You know, you need to rest, 259 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 6: you need to take some time, or you need to 260 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 6: do this. 261 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 7: You're not working hard enough or you should be. 262 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 6: Know they just know you and they love you when 263 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 6: they care about you, and that you can't buy that. 264 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 4: Have you had a chance yet or a time I 265 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 4: should say where you were thinking I don't think I 266 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 4: should do this. 267 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: You kind of touched on a little bit. 268 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 4: And then did you ever go to your family, parents, friends, 269 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 4: whoever and say you, guys, I don't know if I 270 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 4: should do this and they're like, hey, no, I can't kick. 271 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: You in the butt and say no, that's not happening. 272 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: You're gonna keep doing. 273 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 6: COVID was kind of that moment for me in a 274 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 6: lot of ways too. It's like, come on, this is 275 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 6: gonna be all right. Just you're e a reacting, Zay, 276 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 6: It's gonna be okay, We'll figure it out. You know, 277 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 6: there's other ways to make music, and I you know, 278 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 6: I remember Mum saying that to me vividly. Actually, She's like, 279 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 6: you know, maybe this's TV and stuff. You know, there's 280 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 6: all the ways to do it that you just you know, 281 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 6: you need to think about. And so that was when 282 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 6: I was kind of like, all right, you know, let's 283 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 6: focus on the songwriting and building better songs and writing 284 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 6: with better artists and writers and stuff. 285 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 7: So yeah, and you need that. You need people to 286 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 7: be around you that can be honest. 287 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 4: Do you feel like you've come out the other end 288 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 4: post COVID as a better songwriter artist? 289 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 7: I have said generally, I really I think so. Yeah. 290 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 6: You know, Ben in Nashville is like the biggest education 291 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 6: you could ever ask for, too, because you come to 292 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 6: this town and we were just talking about it a 293 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 6: little bit off air just as it was getting started there. 294 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 6: It's like, you come to this town and you think, oh, 295 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 6: you know, I've got the goods, but then you come 296 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 6: to this town and it's like everybody is so talented, 297 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 6: you know, it's like, oh my gosh, you know. 298 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 7: So yeah. I do think though, it has made me 299 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 7: a lot better than that I was. 300 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 6: And I'm really grateful for everybody who's written with me 301 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 6: and you know, believed in what I'm doing. That's the 302 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 6: other thing about since I've been here in Nashville. It's 303 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 6: kind of overwhelming in a beautiful way. How many people 304 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 6: have just said you're welcome here, will help you, we 305 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 6: support you, We think what you're doing is worthwhile putting 306 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 6: our time into, and we're going to write with you, 307 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 6: and we're going to do this, and we're going to 308 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 6: do that. And that's such a huge compliment because you 309 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 6: just don't expect anyone to do that just for the 310 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 6: sake of it, you know. 311 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 2: And if they do. 312 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 4: I don't know about your background necessarily growing up, but 313 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 4: me from California, I've talked about this a little bit before. 314 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 4: You almost wonder, Okay, well what do you want from me? 315 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 4: If somebody asks like, hey, can you help me out 316 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 4: or something? But out here in Nashville, I can't harp 317 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 4: on this enough. I've told so many people that, especially 318 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 4: back home. I'm like, everyone like genuinely just wants to 319 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 4: help you, and are it's weird. I love that, and 320 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 4: it takes a while to get used to. I don't 321 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 4: know if I'm I'm almost two years in and I 322 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 4: still don't know if I'm used to it. 323 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: I love that, You're like, people just want to help you. 324 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 4: They want to get you to get whether it's music 325 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 4: or radio or construction, it really doesn't matter. 326 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's so true. 327 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 4: They just want to see you succeed in whatever you do. 328 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 4: And there's just so much opportunity out here in every 329 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 4: field and every profession. And I got that, and it 330 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 4: seemed like you also have the support and outside of 331 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 4: your family, just from people in Nashville, it's been. 332 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, as you say, it's like you do you kind 333 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 6: of think, oh man. 334 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 7: This is this weird? The only one of feeling this. 335 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 6: It is though that and I think us Australians too, 336 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 6: we're kind of very much like that. We're like one 337 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 6: hand washes the other kind of it's probably not a 338 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 6: good analogy, but it is. Everyone helps each other and 339 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 6: if you, you know, if you don't help someone else, 340 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 6: they're not going to help you, and everyone climbs together. 341 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 6: And I love that Nashville has that mentality because that's 342 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 6: how I was raised. 343 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 7: I was brought up that way. So it is really 344 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 7: really notice signed this to some friends the other night too. 345 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 7: It's like, for the first time ever in my life, 346 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 7: I feel like I'm home in a lot. 347 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 6: Of ways because everyone here believes the same thing and 348 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 6: want to have the same kind of creative outlook on life. 349 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 6: And it's just, you know, this is a like minded 350 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 6: sense here and I love being around that. 351 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: I totally agree. 352 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 4: I feel like I've only been here a couple of 353 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 4: years that I feel like I've been here for my 354 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 4: whole life. Yeah, well, in a great way, in a 355 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 4: good way, I've always felt welcome. People are from all 356 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 4: over the place, and whether it's a different country or 357 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 4: a different state, and you're all like minded where you're 358 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 4: just like, man, I don't know, life is just too short. 359 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 4: Let's just help each other out and like, let's have 360 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 4: some fune while we're doing it, you know. Yeah, And 361 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 4: that's what I just feel like natural is like. And 362 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 4: that's why I tell people all the time, like, the 363 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 4: best decision I've ever made is a movie here for 364 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 4: multiple reasons. 365 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: But this isn't about me anyway. 366 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 7: I know exactly what you're Yeah, good. 367 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 4: And speaking of help outside of the family, and some 368 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 4: musicians and in particular or songwriters who are some of 369 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 4: your biggest influences out here? I know right here we 370 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 4: have James House and I saw you guys at the 371 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 4: listening room a few weeks ago with Jeff Cohen as well. 372 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 7: And Jamie Floyd. 373 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and you guys were awesome. So are those 374 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 4: three influential like in your career or is it a yah? 375 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 5: Yeah. 376 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 6: So that's the thing that you know, we were just 377 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 6: saying about Nashville opening their doors. Like I've been able 378 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 6: to work with people who I have idolized or loved 379 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 6: their work forever, you know, and they've just said, yeah, 380 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 6: let's do something. Jamie Floyd, Jeff Cohen, James House, all 381 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 6: these incredible rights, Phil Barton, I've just this new song 382 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 6: that I've just done with him, and Dana Purdue and 383 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 6: all these people have just been so incredibly welcoming. Of course, 384 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 6: there was Kyle Jacobs. 385 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 7: Who I was writing with him and he was you 386 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 7: know what. 387 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 6: Happened obviously, Yeah, absolutely, And so but you know he was. 388 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 6: He was a huge support as well, and just like 389 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 6: we can do this, anything we need to do, let's 390 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 6: do it. And it's like everybody has been so welcoming. 391 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 6: So all of those writers that I've been working with 392 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 6: are people who I have I've been huge fans of 393 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 6: forever and it's. 394 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 7: Just an honor to have like the opportunity to work 395 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 7: with them and they want to work with me. It's like, 396 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 7: really sure you sure? Yeah, it's really lovely, It's awesome. 397 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 4: James, do you mind just bring on for a quick 398 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 4: second and ask you a quick question here about Zoe. 399 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: I'd like to welcome James House if you want to give. 400 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 7: All James this line producer here. 401 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 5: I love great to be here. 402 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just quick a little background of yourself, James, 403 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 4: if you don't mind, this is a little got here 404 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 4: in eighty nine. 405 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 5: That's I've been writing all my life. I've had a 406 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 5: couple of number ones and Songwriter the Year nominated for 407 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 5: eighth that Lonely It Do I yoakam a broken wing 408 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 5: for Martina McBride. Just so I've been this is you 409 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 5: were talking about how welcoming this town is and it 410 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 5: was the same thing for me. I got here from 411 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 5: I was living in LA at the time. I grew 412 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 5: up in Sacramento. So yeah, I was very welcomed when 413 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 5: I got here, and I was amazed with that, with 414 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 5: that kind of helping hand and and it's it's it's 415 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 5: just a great talent. I can't imagine living anyplace else. 416 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 5: And Zoey just, you know, I think she's just got 417 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 5: this specialness to her her personality and her voice and 418 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 5: the music and the way she was raised. And you 419 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 5: know artists, and it's a lot it has to do 420 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 5: with their who they are inside and and what attracts people. 421 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 5: And I think what makes that's what really a lot 422 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 5: that makes her special. So and you know, I've met 423 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 5: a lot of artists here. I've met all the idols 424 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 5: you can imagine and stuff, which has been amazing for me. 425 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 5: You know, when I got here, it was still there 426 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 5: was Johnny Cash was still here, and then Buck Owens 427 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 5: and Merle Haggard and I got to meet those guys 428 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 5: and and and Riba and Dolly, and I've toured with 429 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 5: all of them, and there's something special about all those people. 430 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 5: And I really believe that that zoe has that too. 431 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 2: I can tell. 432 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 4: I can tell, And I didn't even know you were 433 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 4: coming here today. And like I said, I. 434 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 5: Saw writing after this, Yeah, I'm the ride. 435 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 2: I was like, is this an uber? 436 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 5: I got a little yeah, and then wait, I just 437 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 5: got nominated for Blue Song of the Year. 438 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: That's awesome, that's awesome. 439 00:16:59,240 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 6: Yeah. 440 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 4: I remember seen you had a listening room a few 441 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 4: weeks ago and just some of the songs you were 442 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 4: singing and the stories you were telling. 443 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: And and my buddy who I work with here, actually he. 444 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 4: Was He's a little bit older than me, so he 445 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 4: knew the song is a lot more than I did. 446 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 2: But he was just like, dude, this is awesome. 447 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I get that. My mom liked you. I'm at 448 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 5: that stage now which is always like that's nice. 449 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 4: No, But I'm just interested to hear your perspective. And 450 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 4: I know you just kind of said it. But how 451 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 4: long have you guys known each other? And what how 452 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 4: much growth have you seen in Zoe since she's been 453 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 4: here and you guys have gotten together. 454 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 5: Well, I was one of the zoom writers. I think 455 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 5: we probably wrote ten songs or so. It was the 456 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 5: worst she was in Campbelltown, Scotland. 457 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 7: I was trying to write on zoom Man. It was 458 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 7: just the worst on because I. 459 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 5: Live in the country, so it is all the delays 460 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 5: and stuff. But anyway, we wrote a bunch of songs 461 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 5: and I did somebody and another friend say you should 462 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 5: check this this artist out there. We all kind of 463 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 5: always talk around this, you know, like who do you 464 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 5: think is could and stuff. So I started kind of, 465 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 5: you know, do the Instagram thing saying what she was 466 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 5: doing and stuff, and we started writing and then it 467 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 5: was like, wow, this could be. This is good, you know, 468 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 5: and I've seen a lot of growth and it was 469 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 5: fun to have her when she got over here. Everybody's 470 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 5: like been, you know, wanting to write with her and stuff. 471 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 5: That's really great, that's all. And so this he's seen 472 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 5: this really growth. We've probably written I don't know a 473 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 5: ton of songs here, but I recorded twenty or so 474 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 5: and just the growth has been amazing. And I have 475 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 5: a great team of musicians around that really care about 476 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 5: her and stuff. So you know, this town is an 477 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 5: amazing amount of talent that is here, and you were 478 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 5: all everybody comes here is like it was a big 479 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 5: fish in the small town, you know, and then they 480 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 5: come to Nashville you know, you got you know, when 481 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 5: I got here, it was like I had to go 482 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 5: up against Garth Brooks, Clinton Black. I remember going out 483 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 5: promoting my single to radio. I had my little song 484 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 5: called Don't Quit Me Now, and then they were just 485 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 5: been have you got another friends in low place? Yeah, 486 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 5: so that was the competition. He's still you know, doing well, 487 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 5: that guy. So but you know, but I'm still here, 488 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 5: you know, and I can't imagine living any place. I 489 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 5: see if you love music. The town is set up 490 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 5: for music. A lot of people don't know that there's 491 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 5: banks here that actually understand what songwriters go to and 492 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 5: go through and artists go through to how they make 493 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 5: their money. So loans can be given if you want 494 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 5: to buy a house and stuff if you're you know. 495 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 5: So that's interesting that that infrastructure is here, which is 496 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 5: you know, one of the things I was, it's really 497 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 5: great when I met Don Cook and Tony Brown and 498 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 5: these guys. When I got here and I look at 499 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 5: what Don Cook's ball and he had like thirty one 500 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 5: number ones and he was from Texas. You're just a kid, 501 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 5: but came dream from Texas, and I thought, wow, you 502 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 5: can actually do this, you know. So yeah, and when 503 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 5: you get here it becomes real. It's probably real for 504 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:38,479 Speaker 5: you now, yeah, it is. 505 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 6: It's certainly it's a it's a huge wake up call 506 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 6: coming here too, because you do you get kind of 507 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 6: immersed in this town full of talent and you're like, oh, 508 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 6: I need to step up my game like quickly, you know, 509 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 6: And it is. It is a huge wake up call, 510 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 6: but in a really beautiful way. 511 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 4: And how much of an influence has he'd been on 512 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 4: you personally outside of just the music. 513 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 2: You know, I'm pushing you, and. 514 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 6: You know what, actually outside of music, You've been really like, 515 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 6: like into me about my accent because I. 516 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 7: Know your accent is great. 517 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 6: It's like being an understand me because I say so 518 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 6: many Australian like terms, I forget that I'm not being 519 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 6: understood and so I'll say things like oh fair income 520 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 6: really and you'd be like, wait, what can you say 521 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 6: that in American? And so that that's actually that's been 522 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 6: really helpful because I have had a lot of problems 523 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 6: with with that side because we don't we have a 524 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 6: lot of like terms in Australia. 525 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 7: But I'm I. 526 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 5: Mean, I think I think to what I was sorry 527 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 5: to me. She first when I heard her saying, I thought, 528 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 5: she's like got this Olivia Newton John energy too. I 529 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 5: actually got to write with Olivia, and I just think 530 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 5: you really have that kind of the kindness. I remember 531 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 5: I played her stuff for a for a beca Bramlet. 532 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 5: She's from the great Bramlet family. Her dad mom or 533 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 5: had the I had had a wonderful group back in 534 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 5: the sixties and I played it for back on first 535 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 5: Since she goes, is she from Australia, Like, what do 536 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 5: you mean? 537 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 3: She goes? 538 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 5: She sounds nice. So there's this kindness to Australians and 539 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 5: that I think America or you know, there's Keith, there's 540 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 5: a whole Australian there are from last count somebody said 541 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 5: it's like ninety business. 542 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: Yeah wow, really there's a connected. 543 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 5: And I love country music down there. They do. She's 544 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 5: doing well, just not second number one. 545 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 7: It's on the way. 546 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 6: It's climbing up the chants of the war, which is exciting. 547 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 7: I think you left there to go. 548 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 5: You're having number ones in Australia. 549 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 2: I love it, I love it. I love it. Well. 550 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 2: Thanks thanks a lot, James. I really appreciate the I'm 551 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: gonna go get coffee and all right, see you, James. Okay, 552 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 2: he's going. 553 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 7: Now, what was you talking about? 554 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 4: No, I do want to go back to listening room 555 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 4: and just those venues in general, because it's just so 556 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 4: interested and you know, everyone that comes here, they go 557 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 4: to Broadway and these they see these bands or artists 558 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 4: play all these cover songs, and which is great. You know, 559 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 4: you got to make your living and you get your 560 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 4: practice in and all that. But I think these listening 561 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 4: room writing around writers around venues are neat for people. 562 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 4: If you're listening to this and you've never been here 563 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 4: and your plan to coming here, I highly recommend them. 564 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because you guys get to sing your own songs, 565 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 4: which you probably don't get to do a lot of 566 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 4: if you go play somewhere on Broadway. Oh and you 567 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 4: get to talk about your songs. So I'm just interested 568 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 4: to get into your brain a little bit what that 569 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 4: means to you, you know. 570 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 6: I think the Bluebird Cafe is probably the best example 571 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 6: for this, because it's been created and preserved as a 572 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 6: place for songwriters to tell their story and their side 573 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 6: of the story. And that's it's always I found really 574 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 6: interesting because for a long time I always thought that 575 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 6: everybody wrote their own songs, and so I got a 576 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 6: huge shock and all side of writing my songs like 577 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 6: thinking this is how we do it, and then I'm like, 578 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 6: oh my gosh, they don't all do that, like really, 579 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 6: So I always find it even myself now, I still 580 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 6: find it a huge treat to go into somewhere like 581 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 6: the Bluebird or the Listening Room and here the real 582 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 6: stories of how these songs really came about, you know, 583 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 6: and it's like every time a shock, and so I 584 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,479 Speaker 6: think those places are super special in treasured. 585 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,959 Speaker 7: Of course, also love the Broadway stuff with you know, 586 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 7: the big. 587 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 6: Honky tonks and the cover bands and that's just fun 588 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 6: and loud and just awesome. But there is something really 589 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 6: to be said for the whole the writer's scene, And 590 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 6: as you said a minute ago, I think it's something 591 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 6: if you're coming to Nashville for the first time, you 592 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 6: have to experience that, especially if. 593 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 7: You're an artist or wanting to be an artist. 594 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 6: That's like you've got to go and see that because 595 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 6: that's the core of how it all began. 596 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 7: You know. 597 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 4: In Australia. So you've had a number one, correct I did? 598 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, So my song castles on the Sand just went 599 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 6: to number one down there, which was awesome. Well I 600 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 6: expect ahead, no, really unexpected because it's not your like 601 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 6: It's that song from me was such a personal song, 602 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 6: and it's not your like, your typical radio boffer. 603 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 7: Long, you know, it's not super deeper UPPI. 604 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 6: It's kind of more mellow and very I guess chill 605 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 6: is the hip word to use to explain that. So 606 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 6: it was a real shock when that did go to 607 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 6: number one, and I was like super super honored and 608 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 6: surprised by that. 609 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: And what is it like when you go back to 610 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 2: Australia then? 611 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 4: Are you known there or here and there where you're at? 612 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 4: Because I've I've noticed working in this industry just for 613 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 4: a short not even two years, we've had, you know, 614 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 4: artists from Canada come down and in Canada they're huge, 615 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 4: right huge, Yeah, and then here they're not nearly as big. 616 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 4: So it's just interesting to me to just get that dynamic. 617 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 7: I've been back, yeah, no, not yeah, it's been it's 618 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 7: been so long. 619 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 6: It's been like nearly seven and a half years since 620 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 6: I've been back. And I feel so bad because I 621 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 6: have family and stuff down there. But it's like I 622 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,959 Speaker 6: was going to go back before COVID and then like 623 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 6: everything shut down, and then it was like do we 624 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 6: want to, you know, try and go back after it? 625 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 6: But then Australia was still locked up for like the 626 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 6: longest time, and so I just haven't had a chance 627 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 6: to actually get back there yet. 628 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 7: So I don't know. I hope they like me. It'll 629 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 7: be really horrible if it's like I'm not welcomed. 630 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:47,959 Speaker 4: I mean, you got to get back there while you're 631 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 4: hot over there, and then you got the number one. 632 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 7: I hope I still like me. 633 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 4: Well, as we close this out, Zoe, I want to 634 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 4: talk about I see that we've talked about a little 635 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 4: bit but didn't dive into it, your new single that 636 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 4: just came out recently, which is called pick Me Up, 637 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 4: Pick me Up exactly. I'm gonna play a little clip 638 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 4: right here because I can't play music on here. I 639 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 4: play five seconds. So're gonna get okay. So Here'szoe would 640 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 4: pick me Up? 641 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 7: Lost? Hey, that was a good fight, So there we go. 642 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 2: All right, all right, did I pick a good five seconds? 643 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 7: That was the bit I would have picked. 644 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 6: All right, perfect, I'm glad you didn't get just the 645 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 6: instrumental intro there. 646 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: So where did this guitar come from? 647 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 4: Well, you know, funny story, where did that song come from? 648 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 7: Though? 649 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: Where who'd you write it with? What's the answer? 650 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 3: Ration? I mean? 651 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 5: Pick me up? 652 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 6: So that was actually written with my buddy Phil Barton, 653 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 6: who's another Australigan out here. He writes with Liz Rose 654 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 6: and so many incredible writers, him and his girl Dana 655 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 6: Perdue and James House with the co writers on that 656 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 6: one with me and I walked into that right with 657 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 6: no idea what was going to write about. And Dana 658 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 6: and I just sitting down and we're just talking and 659 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 6: she's like, so you know what's going on? And we 660 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 6: did that whole like the house things been kind of 661 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 6: conversation and I said, you know, it's like, I don't know, 662 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 6: so it feels like the world kind of just needs 663 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 6: a bit of a pick me up, you know, and 664 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 6: I kind of feel like I need a bit of 665 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 6: a pick me up. She's like, Okay, there's our title. 666 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 6: So we went from that and that was the whole thing. 667 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,239 Speaker 6: And next thing I know, we're just like laughing and 668 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 6: goofing around and having the absolute best time writing the song. 669 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 6: And I swear every time we wrote a line of 670 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 6: the song. Phil he's the funniest ever. I don't know 671 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 6: if you know Phil, but he's just hilarious. And anytime 672 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 6: we'd write a line of his song, he'd be like, Man, 673 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 6: it's gonna be a hit, you know every line and 674 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 6: I'm just dying and fits a laughter. 675 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 7: But it was the best song, right, and. 676 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 6: We were just all laughing and giggling by the end 677 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 6: of the By the end of the session, we really 678 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 6: love this song. 679 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 7: So I'm glad that it's out finally too so. 680 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 6: But yeah, it's like the plan at this point is 681 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 6: every six weeks putting out a new song and releasing 682 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 6: Larry videos. 683 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 7: And that to go with it, and playing as many 684 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 7: shows and stuff as they can. 685 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 6: So I'm playing the Bluebird quite a bit, listening room 686 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 6: quite a bit, and yeah, kind of just getting out there. 687 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 6: I've got a residency, get out of town, and so 688 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 6: slowly but surely just kind of like build new music 689 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 6: and put it out and it is. 690 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 7: It's again, it's like you have to build content so 691 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 7: it comes in. 692 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 6: The world is so fast paced this day and age, 693 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 6: so everyone's ready for something new like yesterday, So you 694 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 6: have to kind of constantly be ready for that and 695 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 6: so that's that's kind of what I'm doing with music 696 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 6: as well. 697 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 4: So yeah, I've learned that consistency is probably the number 698 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 4: one thing, whether it's even because you almost feel like 699 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 4: going back social media a little bit here, you're like, 700 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 4: it's not that good, I shouldn't post it. But it's 701 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 4: almost like you just got to put something out there. Yeah, 702 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,479 Speaker 4: which is weird. Yeah, but like you said, it's just 703 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 4: content content content. 704 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 6: And I think too, the other thing, like is I've 705 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 6: been you know, I struggled with that side of it too, 706 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 6: is like he said good enough, should I put it out? 707 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 7: Or like, right, is this kind of let me look weird? 708 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 6: But I think on the other side of it too 709 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 6: is that you know, everybody is human, and so everybody 710 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 6: has the same kind of little flaws and quirks and 711 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 6: weird things, and nobody's perfect, so I think everyone can 712 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 6: relate when it's not perfect as well. 713 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 7: That's probably something that makes them. 714 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 6: You feel a bit more genuine to people too, is 715 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 6: when you just kind of you're honest about it, like, hey, 716 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 6: he's you know, he's what I look like with my 717 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 6: hair up, and I look like crap, and I'm in 718 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 6: the studio and I've been here all day, you know, 719 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 6: and here I am, you know. 720 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 7: And I think people can relate to that in a 721 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 7: lot of ways too. 722 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 2: Totally agree. 723 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 4: It makes you feel like you're human, You're actually human. 724 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 4: You're like, wow, this girl's actually human. 725 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 2: Okay, I can relate. I'm not the only one. I'm 726 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 2: not just sitting here in my mile of my pajama padammas. 727 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 5: Yeah. 728 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 4: And I just woke up and like she's She's like me, Okay, 729 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 4: that's good. 730 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 7: That's good, exactly exactly all right. 731 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 2: I want to close out with this. 732 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 4: I always close out with this question I tried to 733 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 4: is I just want you to think about some advice. 734 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 4: If somebody's listening to this, whether it's in Australia or 735 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 4: whether it's in the backyard here in Nashville, and they're 736 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 4: young and they're getting their career started, and what is 737 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 4: your advice for somebody thinking, whether it's not even a music, 738 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 4: I want to go out and chase something, chase his dream. 739 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 4: And what would you say to that person maybe double 740 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 4: thinking it. I don't know if I'm going to do it. 741 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 6: I'm okay, you know, I think It's like anything, if 742 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 6: you believe in something enough, you have to follow through 743 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 6: it because you'll always be wondering what if you know so? 744 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 7: And that was the same for me too. It's like 745 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 7: if it's a big thing to move across the world 746 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 7: and decide to. 747 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 6: You know, do this crazy thing in the music industry, 748 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 6: because you have no idea whether it's going to work, 749 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 6: you have no idea what the outcome is going to be. 750 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 6: You just have to keep going be like, believe, just 751 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 6: believe in what you're doing and believe it's going to work. 752 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 6: And stay curious is the other thing I would say too, 753 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 6: because that keeps you as crazy as it is. I 754 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 6: think it keeps you youthful. You know, it keeps you interested, 755 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 6: and that's a big part of it. It's staying interested 756 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 6: in what you're doing because you don't want to lose 757 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 6: that faith in what you're You know, you can get 758 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 6: caught up in the turmoil of whatever it is. And 759 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 6: this industry is no different. This industry has got a 760 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 6: lot of politics and a lot of craziness involved in it, 761 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,239 Speaker 6: as you know. And so I think, you know, you 762 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 6: have to stay curious and stay in and just believe 763 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 6: in what you're doing, and know that you're special. No 764 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 6: matter what everybody else is doing. You've got something that 765 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 6: nobody else has got. So don't forget that, believe in that, 766 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 6: and make sure that you see that gets out. 767 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 7: Into the world because that's important. People need that. 768 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 2: Love that, love that well. 769 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 4: Zoe, thank you so much for coming in today. This 770 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 4: has been a lot of fun. James sank you very much. 771 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 6: Welcome. 772 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 2: James is back. By the way, he came back. 773 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 7: You found out coffee. 774 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: Well, go check out Zoe, Go check out her music. 775 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 2: Follow her on social media Zoe Music. 776 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 4: Remembered Zoe with two e z o ee music on 777 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 4: Instagram or Instagram is awesome. Go stream her music. Her 778 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 4: song picked me Up. She got a lot of stuff 779 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,239 Speaker 4: in the work, so keep up with her. She got 780 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 4: a great Instagram. I'm telling you good Zoe. Thank you 781 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 4: so much.