1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:01,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I was in Dallas for the 2 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: whole time, and they you know, they. 3 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 2: Are where they are but better. 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 2: The Next Man Up Podcast is presented by Lansdown Resort 6 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: from Kickoff to check Down, score, game change and get 7 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 2: away in the heart of loud Lansdown Resort, proud partner 8 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: of the Washington Commanders Command this family, Welcome into another 9 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: episode of Next Man Up and this brother right here. 10 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: I ain't got to talk to you in a minute. 11 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: I've missed my guys. Good to have one in the studio. 12 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: We got some different lights on in today. But welcome 13 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: and our Next Man Up doing songshow. 14 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 3: Yeah you doing, brother, man, solid brother. It's good to 15 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 3: see you. Man. It's crazy. 16 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: We were just talking off and we was like the 17 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: last time I think me and you got to really wrap. 18 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 2: You had just signed here. So much has changed since then, man, 19 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: So much. 20 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 4: Can happen in a year. Can you just talk about what. 21 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 2: This last year has been like since you joined the Berguniar. 22 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: Go man, There's been nothing but growth on the field 23 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: and off the field. It was a new place for me, 24 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: new people, so just happened to maneuver on my way. 25 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: This's my first time really almost living out of Texas 26 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: other than college, so coming up here is completely different. 27 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 3: So, man, just just a lot of growth. 28 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: Man, me and you both actually moved here from Texas 29 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: around kind of the same time. I think I got 30 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: here a year before you, and it's different. The DMV 31 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 2: is very different. But I don't know if I've ever 32 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 2: seen a community or fan base that truly loves their 33 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: team like here. Have you ever witnessed anything like that? 34 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I was in Dallas for the 35 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: whole time, and they you know, they are here. They 36 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: are but better, Yeah, for sure, one hundred percent. Man 37 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: coming out on game day and just just feeling that 38 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: energy and. 39 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,199 Speaker 3: They bring it every week. 40 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: The weather be perfect too, so it's like we're getting 41 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: the best of both worlds. 42 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: So I'm loving it right now. 43 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: I mean clearly you loving it, and it's showing on 44 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: the field. 45 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: Man. 46 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: Before we even got to the season, we heard a 47 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: lot from our defensive coordinator, Joe with Junior on you. 48 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: He said, you're a complete player. When you hear things 49 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: like that, What does that mean to you? Because he 50 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: described it his words, But what does it mean to 51 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: you when you hear You'll Devens coordinator say during S 52 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: Armstrong is a complete player. 53 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: I appreciate the man. I worked so hard. 54 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: Man, I've been playing football since I was four years 55 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: old and didn't even like really know I was gonna 56 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: be this, be this who I am or make it 57 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: just far. But at each of it, I just continue 58 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: to be a student of the game. And even when 59 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: I got here. I'm year eight now, but my first 60 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: three years I wasn't really on the field like that. 61 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: I was sitting behind guys I was watching in the 62 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: league as I was a kid, you know, just taking 63 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: all that in. So to this day, I still I 64 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: think those guys and they probably don't even know it, 65 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: but I learned so much from guys that I was 66 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,399 Speaker 1: a fan of as a kid, and now I'm pint 67 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: that to my game. I feel like that's I owe 68 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: that to them because it means so much to me 69 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: that it was those guys that didn't even know who 70 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: I was as a kid looking up watching them being 71 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: productive in the league, making the name for theirself, and 72 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: then over the years I get to learn from them 73 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: how they did it and get a chance to do it. 74 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 2: Remember when we first met, sat like this and talked. 75 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: You said you just needed an opportunity. And I'm gonna 76 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: give my boy some help real quick because he is sweating, 77 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: wipe in the face, my man, straight out of practice. Yo, 78 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: came right here, straight out of practice, got more practice 79 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: to do. Like that's how dope this is that they 80 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: sit here, take the time. So you good sweating my boy. 81 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: But you said you just need an opportunity. You said 82 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: you needed a place that was going to allow you 83 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: to do your things. Like you said, you sat behind 84 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 2: some dogs right here, were just waiting for your chance. 85 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: Now you had that opportunity. Now you've gotten it. Now 86 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: you're the man on this defensive line. What has that 87 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: opportunity done for doings on show? 88 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: It allowed me to show what I can do and 89 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: be more productive. And last year was my first year here. 90 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: I was getting a feel for the guys, the new team, 91 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: the new surroundings and all that. But now second year, 92 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: and I'm a lot more comfortable, a lot more aware 93 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: of what's going on. So I'm just able to play 94 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: a lot more freely. 95 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 3: And that show's on the field. 96 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: Two sacks already, you had five in total last year. 97 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: What's going right for you so far? 98 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 4: Yes? 99 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: We're only heading into week three, But what's been going 100 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: right for you so far? 101 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: Everything br the film study, my coaches, the work from 102 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: the offseason, just just literally putting everything together. 103 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 3: You know. 104 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: I feel like each year it was something that I 105 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: was learning, like steps of how to do, how to 106 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: master one thing. And now that I'm your a, I've 107 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: I feel like I've mastered a lot of those things. 108 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: Now it's literally cooking in the pot. 109 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,559 Speaker 2: And y, I think you bring an interesting perspective because 110 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: much like your experience with Dan Quinn, you also have 111 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: an experience with Joe with Junior. He was the secondary's 112 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: coach when you were on the defense in uh Dallas. 113 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: Now he's a defensive coordinator. You've got to see him 114 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: grow along with you. What has it been like playing 115 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: under Joe Witt Junior? A defensive coordinator who has done 116 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 2: so much and accomplished so much in his coach coaching. 117 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: Career, for sure, And he's a guy who believe in 118 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: in Russian covering and and when you literally have guys 119 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: who's covering and Russian, the game goes our way, sacks, turnovers, pigs, 120 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: pick sixes, and then you just see how much fun 121 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: we having and so when that stuff is presented in 122 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: the meetings, it sound good and and make you feel good. 123 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: So now we go out there practically entered and make 124 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: that stuff happen. And that's the type of impact he has. 125 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: And I don't know if you know this, but you 126 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 2: know we do our research here and PFF has you 127 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: with eleven QB hurries this season. That's fifth in the NFL. 128 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 2: Not fifth on the team, that's fifth in the NFL. 129 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 2: When you look around you, because this defensive line is 130 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: a new little defensive line. You got a lot of 131 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: new guys on there. How is this working so well? 132 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: Not only just for you before that entire defensive line, 133 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: because we're seeing a bunch of guys being able to 134 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 2: show up for sure. 135 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: We got that confidence in each other. We know that 136 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: everybody can play in any position. And the work, the 137 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: study that we put in together on and off the field. 138 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: On Sunday, we just come to cut it. 139 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: Loose and we lost a key member of our defensive 140 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: line in districts. Wise, Man, this is a gentle giant, 141 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: if you will, one of the nicest guys. 142 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 3: Man. 143 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: What was that like? What was your conversations been like 144 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: with Wise? Because we've all been there right where. We 145 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: got to overcome this hurdle. 146 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 3: We got to. 147 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: Overcome an obstacle. This is a big obstacle for him. 148 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: Have you've been able to talk to him? What has 149 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: that been like being there for him? 150 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: I know him on the whole another personal level. So 151 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: immediately when it happened, it was it was heartbreaking for me. 152 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: But he he had his surgery. I shot him text 153 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: message he. 154 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 3: Probably not gonna want to want me to share this, 155 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: but it was. 156 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: It was so impactful for me. After the game, on 157 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: the ride back, you know, he flew back with us 158 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: and setting down chopping up with him, he was in 159 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of a better spirit than he was 160 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: when it happened. But as he was talking, he just 161 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: broke down. Like he was laughing, talking and med combo. 162 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: He just broke down and like, I just remember the 163 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: stuff that I could hear him saying on the field. 164 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: And so I know how much this meant to him, 165 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: and and I know how much he meant to the 166 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: building because every day he come in, he's probably the 167 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: first person in here energy level on a thousand, even 168 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: if you're just walking in the building. He got jokes, 169 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: he want to make you smile, laugh all that. So 170 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: now that that's that's going, the room was a little different, 171 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: the build is completely different. But he's for sure. I 172 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: always remember and you can definitely feel that his president 173 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: isn't here no more. 174 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 2: I remember talking to guys like coach Sharief and he'll 175 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: say a guy like, why is it somebody we gotta 176 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: tell to relax a little bit, like he's always doing 177 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: so much, like we want him to be able to 178 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: preserve that. But I gotta imagine that affects somebody like you. 179 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: Right like Wise is won the Super Bowls. He's been 180 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: in the league a little longer than you. What have 181 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: you been able to learn not only from Wise, but 182 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: playing next to guys like Daran Pain, being able to 183 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: be a leader, to a guy like Johnny Newton, even 184 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: a guy like Jean Baptiste for the seventh round pick. 185 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: I gotta imagine all of you guys are helping each 186 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: other grow in different ways. 187 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: For sure. 188 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: For me, I think it's always been a challenge to 189 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: be more vocal all my life. People was telling me 190 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: that you're a leader, you can be more vocal. But 191 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: in my eyes, I look at it as I leave 192 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: by how I play my examples. Now that I'm older, man, 193 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: I can say what I'm feeling, you know, and I 194 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: know how to deliver it, so guys can get the message. 195 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: And that's well wise. 196 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: Me and him would have talks because sometimes I don't 197 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: know how to say what I'm feeling other than when 198 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm angry. But I can talk to him. He can 199 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: calm me down, he can give me a different perspective, 200 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: how to go about it, how to handle it, and 201 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: so yeah, man, that's just that's just who he was. 202 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: And when you have guys like Joey Jr. Imploring you 203 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: to be that leader, saying, hey, listen, we understand you 204 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: like to do it on the field, but we want 205 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: to hear you be more vocal. What has that journey 206 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: been like for you, because you are a very very 207 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: quiet guy, very very chill. But I'm sure you understand 208 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: why having a vocal leader as well on this defensive 209 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: line is very. 210 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: Important for so, I mean, it's all come with experience. 211 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: You got guys asking questions that you know, they can 212 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: ask the coach, but they'll rather ask a player who's 213 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: out there doing it. 214 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 3: You know. 215 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: That's the type of things JB do and. 216 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 3: He always tested my knowledge. 217 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: So he keep me on my toes about the installs 218 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: and stuff because that's some some suff I forget, you know, 219 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: So he come question me what we got on this? 220 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: You know? 221 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: Okay, we learn together. So that's that's all this is about. 222 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: This is a group project and we all got our 223 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: input on it. 224 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 2: And you talk about that emotion that was around this 225 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: whole team when you do see a guy like Wise 226 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: school Dan, we've lost some other guys as well. Is 227 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 2: there an extra motivation? Does that galvanize you now when 228 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 2: you lose such an important piece to the puzzle, to say, 229 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: you know what, not only do we have to get 230 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: this done for the squad, but now we got to 231 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 2: get this done and find success for Wise as well. 232 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: For so I feel like me personally from the experience 233 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: that we had we shared on the field when he 234 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: went down, that was that was what I told him. Man, 235 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: we got we got a mission to complete and we 236 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: just getting started. So every week we're gonna give it 237 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: what we've been given and give it more, getting better 238 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: and just just just trying to. 239 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 3: Find ways to win and get better. That's all you 240 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: can do. 241 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: And we're hoping for we win this Sunday, right when 242 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: you gots take on the Las Vegas Raiders, were back 243 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: at the crib for the second time. Man, what can 244 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: commander fans expect from not only Doing's Armstrong, but our 245 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 2: commander's defense. 246 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: Already know our offense is electric, fine, so when y'all 247 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: bring that energy, they go turn up in our defense, 248 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna do the same thing. 249 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 3: And that's just who he is. 250 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: And during this before we started this, I asked you, 251 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: I said how many years you've been to leave? 252 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 3: You said eight years? 253 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: Eight years? 254 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: Right? 255 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 2: The average lifespan for NFL players like two to three years. 256 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: You've made it eight. That takes a level of longevity, right. 257 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: And our partners at Landsdown Resort, they like to know 258 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 2: that you get it on the field, but they also 259 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: want to know that you're giving yourself some downtime, that 260 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: you're relaxing. How was Doing's Armstrong spend his downtime? And 261 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 2: how do you manage to take care of yourself so 262 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 2: well to be able to play eight years in this league? 263 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: Honestly, brou It took me a while to learn that 264 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: routine too, because when I was younger, I came in 265 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: at twenty one everybody know that young your body just 266 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: feels good, and that's whatever you want to do. Whatever 267 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: you want. You don't gotta know. You think you gotta 268 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: do as much as recovery. But you get you get 269 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: four or five in, you start getting banged up. You 270 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: you know, Koltu start being mandatory. For me, that was 271 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: that's my first one normal text. You know, always a 272 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: massage cup and still stuff like that, Like its sound 273 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: minup but it's really major and people outside the world 274 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't know about it like that for real. 275 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 3: But that's that's the stuff you gotta do. Stay right. 276 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: I love asking you all these questions because the answers 277 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: is always interested. And Duran Pain said, you know what 278 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: his was. Everybody else's their recovery. His with snowboarding. Do 279 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: you imagine can you imagine Duran paint on the snowboard? 280 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: Nah, but he said he shi as a picture in 281 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: the off season. 282 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 3: He was out there doing it. 283 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't even know what to say. 284 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 3: So you ain't gonna snowboard? I would love to, but 285 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 3: right now, right now, now. 286 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 2: I'm glad brother, stay on the snowboard at least for now. 287 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: And then final question, man, we said it two sacks already, 288 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 2: you had five sacks last season. What is the goal? 289 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: What is the expectation that Drin's armstrong? Except for himself? 290 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 3: Man, I don't even want to share it. 291 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: I just want to continue to go out there and 292 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: have fun, be productive, and come out here and win games. 293 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: My brother, that's what we love to see. Man command 294 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 2: his family, our next man up. He's having a hell 295 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: of a season and I know he's gonna keep going. 296 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: He came here straight from practice, my voice sweater, but 297 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 2: still showed us love our next man up doing song sew. 298 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: I appreciate you, brother, Yeah, sir, no problem. The man 299 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 2: is family for our next man up. We have a 300 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: legend that I've been waiting to talk to for a 301 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 2: very very long time. Not just because he's one of 302 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 2: the best to ever do it in the burgerdy in Gold, 303 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: but because he has such a story to tell and 304 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: he's conquered and endured so much welcoming in two. Tom 305 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: Super Bowl champion currently holds the sack record for Washington. 306 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 2: Mister Dexter Manley, how you doing, sir, and. 307 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. I'm doing great, better than good, 308 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 4: better than most. 309 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 2: Oh Man, I love that and like I said, you 310 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 2: have a story to tell. You have gone through so 311 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 2: much in your life, in your career. I don't even 312 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 2: know where to start, but from the beginning. Let's start 313 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: right at the very beginning. Nineteen eighty one, the fifth 314 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: round of the NFL Draft in nineteen eighty one, the 315 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: Washington Redskins decide to draft a defensive end in Dexter Manley. 316 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: Back then, when you think about the young Dexter Manley, 317 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 2: he truly know what he was up against and in 318 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: for when entering the NFL. 319 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 5: Not really, But I tell you at Oklahoma State, that 320 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 5: was a few guys that had played in the National 321 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 5: Football League still currently playing and I was out on 322 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 5: the football field getting ready for They wanted to come by, 323 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 5: but I was just training, and these guys to come 324 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 5: talk to me, and they would tell me, as a rookie, 325 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 5: you want to go. I want to They told me 326 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 5: to go talk to the special team coach and tell 327 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 5: him that I wanted to play on special teams because 328 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 5: that's the way you're gonna make the team on special teams. 329 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 4: And I did that. 330 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 5: When I first got here to the rescue at Redskins Park, 331 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 5: I went to Wayne Severe and I told I want 332 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 5: to be on special teams. He put me on special 333 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 5: teams and in my humbleopeia, I was sensational. 334 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 4: And from that point on. 335 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 5: I started my third game, third game going into my 336 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 5: rookie season, I was in the start lineup and I've 337 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 5: been ever since. 338 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 4: From that point on, it's been great. 339 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 2: Wow, you earned your keep, And I think that's something 340 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: we talk about a lot, especially like you know, the 341 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 2: drafts and did we have a new season upon us? 342 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: And these young guys earning their keep and we've seen it. 343 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: It's not It's a lot easier said than done, right, 344 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: It's not always easy to humble yourself enough to be 345 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: able to say, hey, I'm willing to do whatever is 346 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: asked of me. When you look back at that rookie 347 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: year and honestly, those first few seasons in the NFL, 348 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: was it tough for you? 349 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 5: Not physically, see, I'm always so everywhere I've been, I 350 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 5: was ahead and shoulders above my peers. That's just the 351 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 5: way it is. Yeah. I think the difficult part was 352 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 5: is getting adapt to the National Football League, all the 353 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 5: outside noise and the entertainment part of it. That was 354 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 5: a little challenging for me because I'm a guy from Houston, 355 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 5: Texas a big city, but at the same time, you 356 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 5: get caught up in all the different activities around town. 357 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: So when you mentioned those activities around town, what about 358 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 2: it made it difficult for you to be able to 359 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 2: just focus on the football thing? Because again, somebody like 360 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: me fans watching this right now, I don't think we 361 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: can even fathom the things you were going through, especially 362 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: back in the early eighties. Can you talk about that 363 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: a little bit and what were some of those things 364 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 2: that really made it tough for my young brother of 365 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: Houston to deal with? 366 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 5: Thank you, thanks for asking that question. Well, I remember 367 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 5: I was a rookie and in Washington. It's such a 368 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 5: strong fan base here, and I went out. A lot 369 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 5: of the Redskin players would go to a place called 370 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 5: Paul Mall. It was on m Street, right cross street 371 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 5: from Clydes and I went there and I had recognition. 372 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 5: And I want to tell you something is that the 373 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 5: females will come talk to me. I would talk to them, 374 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 5: and it was never that way when I was in college. 375 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 5: But I start having some success and I would see 376 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 5: the females and I talked with them, and they would 377 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 5: entertainment and hey and and we just had fun, had fun. 378 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: And within that fun, of course, you're young, you're experiencing 379 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: things you've never experienced before, and you're just having a 380 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 2: good time. You don't think you're not harming anybody in 381 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: your mind, you're just doing what your peers are doing. 382 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: When did you start to realize or feel or maybe 383 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: it never happened that maybe what you were doing wasn't 384 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: necessarily the best for what you were trying to accomplish 385 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: on the field. 386 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 4: That's a good question. 387 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 5: Well, my first year in the league, I really just 388 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 5: focus on football, football, and that was pretty much it. 389 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 4: And I think going to my second or third. 390 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 5: Year had a little bit more exposure, and so a 391 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 5: lot of things was coming at you. You know, whether 392 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 5: the females coming in, you're going to pall Mall's downtown. 393 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 4: Uh, that was sort of a distraction. 394 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 5: And I would say that it was a little difficult because, 395 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 5: you know, then the females coming in and I remember, yeah, I. 396 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 4: Just remember this young lady talking to me and. 397 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 5: About football, and she would tell me what she saw, 398 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 5: and she was sort of informative about football. She knew 399 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 5: a little bit about football, and. 400 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 4: She asked me. We just had a conversation and it 401 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 4: was all football. 402 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 3: And Dexter. 403 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: When you go and look at that time, was it 404 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: hard to realize what you were going through in the 405 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: moment because during this time as well, Yes, you're doing 406 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 2: these off the field things that I don't even think 407 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 2: most people are aware of yet at this point. But 408 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 2: you're on the field and you're making plays, you're getting 409 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 2: those sacks, you're doing all of the things the team 410 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 2: needs you to do on that field. Did that make 411 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 2: you feel at times like, Okay, I'm not doing nothing 412 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,239 Speaker 2: wrong because the product on the field isn't hurt. Did 413 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: you go through that? 414 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 4: Why do I tell you this? 415 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 5: You know, as an athlete, professionally, you have to get 416 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 5: your rest, and so when you go out on the 417 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 5: night life it could be difficult. But I felt that 418 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 5: at that point in time, I was convision. I was, 419 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 5: you know, my whole dream has been getting to the 420 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 5: National Football League, So I was definitely focused on that 421 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 5: my first couple of years in the league, and. 422 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 4: I stayed focused. 423 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 2: And that's that's what you did. That's true. You did 424 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 2: do your absolute best, and that's why you're so revered 425 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 2: by this fan base. It's why I was so excited 426 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 2: to sit and interview you, and again thank you for 427 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: you know, being open, your candidness. Because on Next Man Up, 428 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 2: we like talking football, we like talking about the person 429 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: and the player. And while I was preparing for this, 430 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 2: I'm even talking to my producer and I directed, and 431 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I don't know where to go with 432 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: this interview because a lot of times on Next Man Up, 433 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: we take this time to tell y'all stories, right, to 434 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 2: explain the things y'all are going through as men, not 435 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 2: just because it's interesting to the fan base, but because 436 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: you guys offer an interesting perspective that will help a 437 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: lot of people, whether athletes, young men, young women, and 438 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 2: the things that you all have been through and the 439 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: stories that you do, guys have to tell those people 440 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: in so many ways. So I just want to start 441 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 2: with saying that, because we definitely don't want you to 442 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 2: talk about anything you're uncomfortable with talking about. We just 443 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 2: want to hear how the man overcame because we saw 444 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: the NFL player, we saw the Super Bowl champion. Eighteen 445 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 2: and a half sacks isn't easy, right, but I think 446 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: I wanted to do your story a service I didn't 447 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 2: want to do you a disservice by only talking about football, 448 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: because again, what you've been able to overcome in your life, 449 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: that story, that journey, and I know it's something you 450 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: take pride in helping the future not only of this game, 451 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: but the future of this world. So Dexter, we really 452 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: appreciate you. And when you look back at the things 453 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: you were able to accomplish on that field, when you 454 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 2: look at the things you were able to accomplish as 455 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: a Redskin, regardless of the off the field stuff you had, 456 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: eighteen and a half sacks man, eighteen and a half 457 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 2: sacks is still a record for Washington Man. When you 458 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 2: look back at your career, especially that year, eighteen and 459 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 2: a half sacks man, what went right in that season? 460 00:20:58,800 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 4: Well, I tay you what, Gwen right. 461 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 5: I was so dedicated because I had the talent, I 462 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 5: had the skill, and I wanted to put it to work. 463 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 5: I went to George Mason. I ran heels from the 464 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 5: day that the seasons start. Before the season start, I 465 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 5: was running going to George Mason three days a week, 466 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 5: running hills, and I put myself in a mind frame 467 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 5: that I'm gonna do what's best for me and for 468 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 5: the Washington Redskins, and I did that. I worked on 469 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 5: my speed, I worked on everything, and I did it. 470 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 5: And that what was important to me is that all 471 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 5: the outside noise I never got involved with. You know, 472 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 5: I wasn't going to Paul Malls anymore. I wasn't going 473 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 5: to I wasn't hanging out at eleven or twelve o'clock 474 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 5: downtown in DC. Yeah, because I knew that football was 475 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 5: my vehicle and I had the ability to do whatever. 476 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 4: I needed to do. 477 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 5: And I did it, and I did it, and I 478 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 5: didn't get it, and I didn't get involved with anything 479 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 5: outside of football at that time. 480 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: And we love to hear that, and it showed and 481 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: to accomplish those kind of things when you are growing 482 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 2: as a man, when you are trying to figure out life, 483 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 2: can't do that by yourself, right, There's people in your 484 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 2: corner that help you along the way. And when I 485 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: think of a coach like Joe Gibbs, who was very 486 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: hands on with you, man, can you speak on you 487 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 2: guys's relationship and how Joe Gibbs helped a young Dexter 488 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: Manley become one of the best defensive ends in the 489 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 2: history of the game. 490 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 4: Well, I tell you. 491 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 5: One thing Coach Gibbs was a had a strong faith. 492 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 5: He didn't judge me, but he helped me in a 493 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 5: lot of ways. Is that I would come to his 494 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 5: office if we sit down and talk. He was more 495 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 5: like a father figure took me. I had a father, 496 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 5: but Joe Gibb was something spat because I trusted him. 497 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 5: I believed in what he was saying, and I wanted 498 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 5: to do what's best for myself and for the team, 499 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 5: and more importantly, I wanted to make Joe Gibbs proud 500 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 5: that he drafted a guy from Oklahoma State in the 501 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 5: fifth round. 502 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 2: Drafted in the fifth round not an easy feat to do. Man, 503 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 2: You've accomplished so much too, Super Bowls again, you hold 504 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 2: the record for sacks for Washington. When you look back 505 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 2: on your career, all of these moments that you've had, 506 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 2: what is your favorite moment, What stands out to you 507 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: the most? 508 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 4: What stands out to me the most is that we 509 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 4: were a team. I tell you what stand out to me. 510 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 5: We went on strike, went on strike at nineteen I 511 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 5: think I will say eighty two, and we stuck together 512 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 5: and I participated. Some guys went off and did they 513 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 5: all thing. But I was always present because I knew 514 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 5: that if we've stuck together, that we will achieve. What 515 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 5: we wanted to do is go to the and we 516 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 5: did that. I mean office players was out there running 517 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 5: plays and defensive players. We was over here doing our thing, 518 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 5: more conditioning, going through plays. And see, I tell you 519 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 5: something what helped me is that I had a lot 520 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 5: of disability and when I was at rest in high school, 521 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 5: when the strike going up, we was going over the 522 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 5: place over in the redundancy. And then I picked up 523 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 5: the system because when I started as a rookie, it 524 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 5: was difficult because so many plays. You know, you might 525 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 5: have seventy five plays and you have so many different 526 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 5: plays that it was hard for me to assume all 527 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 5: of that. Because Joe Gibbs had faith in me, they 528 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 5: didn't put me on the bench because I made I 529 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 5: did what I need to do. I made plays. And 530 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 5: therefar is that that boost my confidence because the coach 531 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 5: believed in me, and I believed in myself and my 532 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 5: teammates believed in me. So that was a real experience 533 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 5: and I just never forgotten that how that those players 534 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 5: helped me along the way because like I said, I 535 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 5: had a learning disability. But Joe Gibbs and Richard Pettiboney 536 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 5: talking talkings, they say, we're gonna bitch this guy. I 537 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 5: made some bad play, but they were all out. They 538 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 5: were effort, had a lot of effort, and they kept 539 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 5: me in the starting lineup. Plus I can get to 540 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 5: the quarterback too. 541 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: And you mentioned this learning disability. And when you look 542 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 2: at a guy like you, especially back then right this 543 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 2: massive man successful across the board in his career, high 544 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 2: school level, college level, now the pro level. Did you 545 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 2: have a hard time opening up to guys like coach 546 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 2: give opening up to your teenmates about this learning disability? 547 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 2: I gotta imagine that is not something that's very easy 548 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 2: for a man to open up about and a mint to. 549 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 3: Well. 550 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 4: It was such a big secret for me because. 551 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 5: As a kid, when I was in elementary school, I 552 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 5: was in special ed and I didn't want to be 553 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 5: in special ed because I felt like that I didn't 554 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 5: need to be a special ed. And so from that 555 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 5: point on, I was always embarrassing. I looked at my 556 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 5: shoelaces and I didn't want anyone to know that I 557 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 5: had difficulties. But along the way, you know, when you 558 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 5: make plays, people embrace you. I forget about that. I 559 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 5: didn't want to keep looking at my shoe lacs. So 560 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 5: but I had help from some of my teammates. They'll 561 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 5: tell me what the plays are. I knew my responsibility 562 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 5: and they didn't never give up on me. That was 563 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 5: a big thing. 564 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 3: See. 565 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 4: I know a guy from Houston. 566 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 5: Texas my high school went first round with the mine 567 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 5: a dolphin. He didn't learn the place, but benched him 568 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 5: and Jimmy Johnson send him to the Jets and he 569 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 5: played a few years, but he was out of the 570 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 5: leaf probably within three or four years. He was a 571 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 5: hell of a football player at my high school. Not 572 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 5: with me, but he came after me. 573 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 4: And so that. 574 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 5: Joe Gibbs and Richard Pettitball. They knew what I had 575 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 5: and they wasn't gonna bench me because I wouldn't gonna 576 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 5: betch myself because I had to fire my belly to 577 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 5: keep going despite what anybody said. I had defined my 578 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 5: belly to keep going. That was really important to me. 579 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 2: And when you're going having a learning disability like this 580 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 2: and you're still successful on that field and you look 581 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 2: back at it now, there's no real reason, if you're 582 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: still winning, if you're finding the coach that looks out 583 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: for you, if everybody's embracing you, for you to say, 584 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 2: you know what, I want to overcome this learning disability. 585 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 2: I want to keep working at that. But that's something 586 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: you decided to do so much so now you help 587 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,479 Speaker 2: others with similar learning disabilities. When did you decide on 588 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 2: your own that, hey, okay, yes, I know that people 589 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 2: are accepting me for who I am, but I want 590 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: to work on this. I want to get better at this. 591 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 2: I want to work on this thing that has been 592 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 2: holding me back for so long. Did you have that 593 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 2: moment with yourself that made you say, you know what, Okay, 594 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 2: this is time for me to even work at this 595 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 2: even more. 596 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 4: Yes. 597 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 5: Nineteen eighty six, November the eighteenth, Monday night, we was 598 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 5: playing the New York Giants, and I can remember standing 599 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 5: on that sideline and I watched Launch Telor take Joeke 600 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 5: Thaisman out. I knew then that if it happened, it 601 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 5: happened to me, and so I just felt compelled to 602 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 5: come forward. First, I went to the lab School. Lab 603 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 5: School is for adults learning disability. See if he wasn't 604 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 5: for joke thaisman to go down. I would have never 605 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 5: confessed that I had a learning disability because I looked 606 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 5: at my shoelaces for a lot of years. 607 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 4: But I surrendered. 608 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 5: I knew that if one man could overcome something, so 609 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 5: could I. I used to talk to famous Amos, he 610 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 5: had a learning to be He would call me if 611 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 5: he could do it, I could do it, and I did. 612 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 5: I went to the Lab School. I went there for years. 613 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 5: So I used to couldn't read the Washington Post, but 614 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 5: I read the Washington Post in about three years. The 615 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 5: Lab school helped me get over that and I did that. 616 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 5: I'm able to make good decision. But at the same time, 617 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 5: it was a hell of a journey and I don't 618 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 5: never forget it because it made me a better person. 619 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 4: Make me a better person, and I can make better decisions. 620 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 5: And so what I what I did learned is that 621 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 5: that that if people have difficulties, can't have can't reason, Uh, 622 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 5: you just have to make good decisions. And I know 623 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 5: this for a fact, just just from going around the 624 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 5: country talking from getting help. Is that people that can't 625 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 5: read and write, they wind up in the prison system 626 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 5: because there's no hope. Yeah, and so once I learned 627 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 5: the football plays. I felt confident that I can go 628 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 5: out and played my best. I could be the best 629 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 5: person that I meant to be. 630 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 4: And and and I'm telling you. 631 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 5: It's only by grace that God allowed me to overcome 632 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 5: my obstacles and all of my and all of my life. Oh, 633 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 5: come on, I've overcome obstacles, and I'm grateful and I 634 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 5: never want to forget it. 635 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 2: God is good any all the time. Amen, Amen, Dexter. 636 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 2: And now that you're on the other side of it, 637 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 2: right because you admitted it took you a little while 638 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 2: to even want to admit that, hey, I need help 639 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: or I need to work on my reading, I need 640 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: to work on my writing. Now when you get to 641 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 2: the point where you have worked on it and you're 642 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: seeing the benefits in real time of what that was, 643 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: did you have those feelings? And I think a lot 644 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 2: of people probably can relate to this where you're like, 645 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 2: I wish I would have spoke up sooner. I wish 646 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: I would have got helped sooner. Do you have those feelings? 647 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 4: I'm to say that. 648 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 5: Yes. But the system, I'm gonna say the system from 649 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 5: not never to sell elementary, because that's the organized sports 650 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 5: in elementary, from middle school to high school to the college. 651 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 4: I would say that it helped me to. 652 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 5: Keep pressing forward because the people embraced me who was 653 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 5: in power. 654 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 4: They could have set me back. 655 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 5: I thank god that they didn't set me back to 656 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 5: say that we can't have you here, you can't learn 657 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 5: the plays, you got problems. 658 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 4: But those people past that. 659 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 5: Seeing my high school, I'm just gonna go back there 660 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 5: because that's where it starts. 661 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 4: Is that. 662 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 5: See football in Texas is keen. All across this country, 663 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 5: it's keen. And those people embraced me even though I 664 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 5: went to class. 665 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 4: But most of the time I was given grades. I 666 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 4: was given grade because I. 667 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 5: Was a kind of a football number one and in 668 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 5: the state of Texas as ourself being redundant, that those 669 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 5: people embraced the athletes. So uh, for that alone, it 670 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 5: didn't help me to face my face reality from Oklahoma State. 671 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 5: From Yanks High School to Oklahoma State pretty much the 672 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 5: same thing. Where have I been? But even when I 673 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 5: went to Washington, I had to learn the place. See 674 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 5: the coaching staff. We used to go on the field 675 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 5: before practice and to go walk through redundancy. Redundancy, and 676 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 5: that's what I like about Joe. He understood that I 677 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 5: had difficultes, but they compassated. They said, we're gonna go 678 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 5: on the field before practice. We get out there, we 679 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 5: go through all the plays, hover and over and over 680 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 5: and over. And I made at that time my second 681 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 5: third year, I picked up all the places I could 682 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 5: play fast. 683 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 4: I ain't got to be thinking about what's my responsibility. 684 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 2: You talk about this journey and you're on the back 685 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 2: end of it, right, It's really easy to reflect on 686 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 2: the journey when you're on the back end of it 687 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 2: and you talk about how grateful you are for all 688 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 2: the things you had went through. So I do have 689 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 2: to ask you, is there anything that Dexhamney would change 690 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 2: about his NFL career? 691 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 4: Or absolutely, I would change my decision making. You know, I. 692 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 5: Wouldn't want to go down to Pall Mall all the 693 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 5: time and have some young female say hey, let's do 694 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 5: this here, let's do that. 695 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, because I grew up in the hood. 696 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 5: Man, I grew up in the hood, and I've seen 697 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 5: a lot of stuff, but I stayed away from that. 698 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 5: And now you got females coming at you, you know, 699 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 5: saying hey, let's have I wasn't even drinking would go 700 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 5: on to Paul Ma until my second third year. 701 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 4: I never had a drink. I wasn't smoking nothing. 702 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 5: See when I was at Oklahoma State, those guys were 703 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 5: smoking marijuana. They can't tell you the dexter man was 704 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 5: in that room smoking marijuana with them. Jimmy Johnson can 705 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 5: tell you that when he came there, he ran seventeen 706 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 5: guys off. And so I'm on theother end now. I'm 707 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 5: grateful that I drew the line in the sand and 708 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 5: I haven't looked back. I'm coming up on twenty years 709 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 5: cleaning sober. 710 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 3: Amen. 711 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 5: I can read and write today. Amen, I can rationalize all. 712 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 4: That kind of good stuff. And I didn't do it 713 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 4: by myself. 714 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 5: I had help, had a good wife, the Lave school 715 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 5: help me because I want to help myself and Dexa. 716 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 2: That's why these testimonies are just so important, because there's 717 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 2: men in real time dealing with what you had to 718 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 2: deal with back then. And now things are even more different, right, 719 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 2: there's even more temptation. These teenagers are getting millions of 720 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 2: dollars thrown at them before they even make it into 721 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 2: the pro So we appreciate you so much, and I 722 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 2: think it's very important. Like you said, you're on the 723 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 2: back end of it. You're twenty years sober man. What 724 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,439 Speaker 2: a blessing that is. Because I told this to Chris 725 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,760 Speaker 2: Baker a few years ago. We could be talking about 726 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 2: you and not with you, And to me, I think 727 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 2: it's just such an honor and a blessing to be 728 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 2: able to be talking to somebody like you, not just 729 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 2: because again you're the best to ever do it, but 730 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 2: because you're able to help so many other people not 731 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 2: have to go through some of those trials and tribulations 732 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 2: you went through, because, like you said, there is young 733 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 2: men today that have those kind of temptations that are 734 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 2: from a small town from a big town and are 735 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 2: getting opportunities and looks that they've never gotten before. And 736 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 2: I know you take pride in helping the future of 737 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 2: this game. Can you talk about that a little bit 738 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 2: and how you've been able to help younger generations of 739 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 2: athletes and just regular everyday people be able to get 740 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 2: past some of those things you've already overcome. 741 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, first of all, I want to say that 742 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 4: sober is alcohol. 743 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 5: Getting clean is another kind of it's chemical drugs. 744 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 4: So when you. 745 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 5: Say sober, that's different than that's aa. Being sober na 746 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 5: is clean time. So I'm saying that the twenty years 747 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 5: I got is clean, not being sober, because I wasn't 748 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 5: an alcoholic. I wasn't drinking. So what I'm saying to 749 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 5: the young people is that you have to make your 750 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 5: mind up, look in the mirror at yourself, and decide 751 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 5: what you want. 752 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 4: Out of life. But it ain't easy. 753 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 5: Since he said, I had a praying grandmother who prayed 754 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 5: for me and I and so because of that, I 755 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,439 Speaker 5: had to have some faith in me. So I came 756 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,439 Speaker 5: from the hood. Man, I don't want to go back 757 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 5: to the hood, because that's what that was gonna take me. 758 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 5: I had to set up in the mud. That's what 759 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 5: I'm telling people. Hey, you gotta face yourself faci reality. 760 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 5: I go on and on about that, but I'm not 761 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 5: in the meeting room today. 762 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 2: Actually, let me tell you that I could sit in 763 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 2: here you talk about this all day, because again, it's 764 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 2: one thing to have trials and tribulations. It's another thing 765 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 2: to be able to overcome it, not only overcome it, 766 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,280 Speaker 2: but be able to speak about it and help others 767 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 2: with it. And again, it's just so impressive knowing what 768 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 2: you were able to accomplish on that field with all 769 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 2: other different things that the human being Dexter manly was 770 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 2: dealing with. When you look back at your Washington career right, 771 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 2: which I was talking about the field now, right, because 772 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, that doesn't go anywhere. 773 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 2: No matter any tribulation you've been through, any issue you've had, 774 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 2: they can't ever take what you did, rocking that burgundy 775 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 2: and gold on the field. Nobody could take that from you. 776 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,359 Speaker 2: Nobody could take your name out the record books. That's 777 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 2: in there for life. Right, You're gonna always be heralded 778 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 2: in Washington. When Dexter Manny looks back at his career 779 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 2: on the field, how does he want to be remembered 780 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 2: by his peers. 781 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 5: That's a good question. Well, I can just tell you 782 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 5: it's here. I don't never doubt myself. I was a 783 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 5: I'm gonna use the word I was a great football playoff. 784 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 5: I could do it at all. I could get to 785 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,760 Speaker 5: the quarterback down. Hey, listen, I can run a quarterback down. 786 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 5: I could do whatever I wanted to do as long 787 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 5: as I was in the right frame of mind, that 788 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 5: had the support behind me. The Dexter Melly couldn't do 789 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 5: on a football field nothing and I. 790 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 2: Stand on that, amen, And there's nothing the man Dexter 791 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 2: Manley can't do today right now. And I think the 792 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 2: proof is in the putting everything you've accomplished, everything you've 793 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 2: been through, everything you've overcame, and you're still here to 794 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 2: talk about it today. Man, I'm just so honored to 795 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 2: speak with you. There's so many layers to the man 796 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 2: that is Dexter Manley, and I just appreciate your candidness 797 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 2: and your openness because I know these conversations, especially to 798 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,280 Speaker 2: me and you are just meeting. These conversations are never easy. 799 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 2: But I'm telling you there are so many people I'm 800 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 2: sure they'll let us know in the comments that need 801 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 2: these testimonies, that need to hear these stories, but also 802 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 2: just want to hear from Dexter Manley and know that 803 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 2: you're doing okay. And I can tell by looking at 804 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 2: you you're doing better than okay. And God is good. 805 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 2: So it's just so great to see you, Dex and 806 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 2: I appreciate you taking. 807 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 4: The time and thanks for having me. 808 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 2: Yes, sir, the first comittee right, you got it comand 809 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 2: is family. Our next man up Washington legend has a 810 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 2: true story to tell. Reach out to him and give 811 00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,879 Speaker 2: him his love, because we are lucky that the brother 812 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 2: still here with us. 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