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Speaker 1: Hi, what I'm welcome in. I'm Doug Godman. This is

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Speaker 1: all ball. Thank you so much so much for downloading

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Speaker 1: and write a review rather view if I make more money.

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Speaker 1: Maybe not. Maybe it's just testing your ability to write

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Speaker 1: in the comments section. And if it's a positive, you

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Speaker 1: even even better. You're gonna love this podcast. I catch

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Speaker 1: up with a guy who, um, I know and consider

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Speaker 1: a friend. But there's a lot I didn't know because

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Speaker 1: he was kind of late on the a you seen.

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Speaker 1: UM kind of an amazing story of how I had

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Speaker 1: no idea how many high schools he went to Tremaine

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Speaker 1: folks end up making the NBA. Uh. He was a

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Speaker 1: second round draft pick, next to last pick of the

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Speaker 1: second round with the Denver Nuggets. This after he played

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Speaker 1: a cow for two years and then played at Fresno

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Speaker 1: State for two years. So he played for Todd Boseman

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a two parter. H The second part

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Speaker 1: will get into the Mauice of the Palace and some

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Speaker 1: of the other late NBA stuff. And you know he's

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Speaker 1: got a book. He's got a book out as well.

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Speaker 1: But I want to dig in with him. Um. In

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Speaker 1: regards to we we talked some transfer portal stuff and

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Speaker 1: I had some really good interesting feedback, you know on

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Speaker 1: in regards to what I said last time was transfer portal,

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Speaker 1: we don't pay attention to some of the players that

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Speaker 1: are still there. Right do you do you do you

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Speaker 1: value the guys who are loyal to you or do

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Speaker 1: it's a hard one as a coach, right because you

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Speaker 1: you do know you want more and you want to

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Speaker 1: be more successful, and on the other hand, you do

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Speaker 1: want to see yourself as loyal and if you really

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Speaker 1: think of yourself as a good coach, the guys who

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Speaker 1: have been with you, you've been able to help them

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Speaker 1: be better. Um. It's it's so I do understand the A. Look,

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Speaker 1: it's a profession and coaches have to get a better players.

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Speaker 1: If there's a better player that fits your program and

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Speaker 1: around for extra years for a reason. That said, it's

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Speaker 1: it's a hard push in pulse. I think you guys

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a fascinating You're like, what's the fine

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Speaker 1: print on transferring? Because you know the next level is

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Speaker 1: all right, all these guys transferred play right away. Many

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Speaker 1: be like, oh wait, this was only a one time

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Speaker 1: course we have the high school recruits are now they're

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Speaker 1: dealing with like I, I was going somewhere, and I

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Speaker 1: all these transfers. The whole thing is fascinating. Um, all right,

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Speaker 1: well I'll give you some more, some more of my

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Speaker 1: all of these transfers when everybody gets settled without further ado,

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Speaker 1: let's get to my good friend's Tremaine folks. Of course,

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Speaker 1: ultimately made it to the NBA. Here's his tale. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's let's welcome and tremain folks joins us. She's um. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So I first met you. We go to abc D camp.

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Speaker 1: like being yours, I really do. Right, Okay, So you

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Speaker 1: start playing football, what was the organization? Because I played

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Speaker 1: All American? Right, what was what was your organization? You

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Speaker 1: played football for Corona the Inglewood Jets there the Inglewood

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Speaker 1: once they changed that it's still now today the Inglewood Jets.

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Speaker 1: All the time of the Inglewood Jets. And that was

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Speaker 1: I wish to have some tage people are looking at

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Speaker 1: dad was straight up and down. Uh? God, he he

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Speaker 1: didn't he no nonsense. He definitely Uh installed a good

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Speaker 1: work that ethnic in me. You know, to set that

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Speaker 1: if you could ever get to go to George Ravelings basement,

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Speaker 1: I didn't We didn't really have a team, and so

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Speaker 1: shout out to you. So you got Marty Sego, you

424
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 1: got a big man named Shiny Kennedy who was pretty good.

425
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: You know he might he will Brian and you had

426
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: a couple of we're good feeling plays, you know, Louis

427
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: Baby ms Ellison and my thing that was trying to

428
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 1: get some comf at the exactly I wanted to be

429
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 1: the man early and not saying just the man, the man,

430
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: but just wanted to develop that confidence where I was

431
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: able to if I feel like I could, I will

432
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 1: and the coach say or you know, swing ball, and

433
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: he would that I would be able to make play,

434
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, just bring some And you know that's what

435
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: we did. No no football, no football, football footballs out

436
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: of there. We do football out We said, we are

437
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: concentrating on strictly bass football. What would Pop saying, You're like,

438
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: I ain't colmfootball. Oh you know what he said? Hey man?

439
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 1: You know Pops wasn't really a guy that put pressure

440
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: on you after he saw that I was growing by

441
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: that time about six five talk than my dad. Now

442
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I had, I had a

443
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: gross fur a couple and fine, and I'm coming in

444
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: my step know and that was that year was perfect.

445
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: I got to know myself. I got to know what

446
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: I need to work on without my strength that uh

447
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: right there, Okay, be an effective player working away up

448
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: because that's what already already Toby was probably the best

449
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: player ranking ranks since seven Blondy Riggy. You know, these

450
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: guys have been so since six seven, the eighth grade.

451
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: So my thing was trying to get to that level

452
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: where they were, you know, being Who's scoop And I'm like, yeah,

453
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,239
Speaker 1: you're in cal Hi with Cal High magazine and they

454
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: had all the rankings. Yeah, Street and Smith. You know,

455
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: just get in those magazines, you know, And that's what

456
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: you know. Somewhere for me was the the the energy

457
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: and you know, I said, I'm gonna have to put

458
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: this effort in to get okay. So so then that summer, okay,

459
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: so after sophomore year, still with the ball or did

460
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: you switch? Did you switch switch squads? Um right about that.

461
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: You know it was tough. I was kind of a

462
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 1: you uh oh you would you would you would jump

463
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: on anybody's squad, you know you could, so you know

464
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 1: I would be playing it had for people who don't know. Okay,

465
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: so this league, okay, it started at Victoria Parker's got

466
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: named Isy Washed and Rest in Peace to Isy and

467
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: three box Plam reebox Slamming Jam. Yeah, and everybody at

468
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: that time had you got the slam and Jam uniforms.

469
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 1: You just had a different colored jersey, right white on

470
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: one side. And then no matter what squad it was.

471
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: And then some teams, like the teams from a r

472
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: C from the Valley, they would have their own for

473
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: Vegas and Santa Barbara and other ornaments. Right, but you

474
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: bore slams yam. And so sometimes you come in the

475
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: morning and you play, and dudes be wearing black slam

476
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: and Jam jersey, and then you come in the afternoon

477
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: the same guy be wearing orange slam jams. Just like

478
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: what right? You just want to hope. And the time

479
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: when we were in high school, it switched from Victoria

480
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: Park to Domingus High School, right, it became all about

481
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: everything was at Domingus. Um. Okay, So so you're bouncing

482
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: around and then you decide to go to Crenshaw High School.

483
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: And at the time, Kristin Johnson kJ was with us, right,

484
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: and but you guys both How did it come to

485
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: be that you guys came together at Crenshaw? You know,

486
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: that's the soul weird, you know, I think, Uh, you know,

487
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: it's still amazing to this day that I got to Crenshaw,

488
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: me coming from Culver City. You know, this is my

489
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: third high school. You know, we didn't discuss the fact

490
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: between Culver City and Crenshaw. I went to Dorsey for

491
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 1: a couple of days, you know that. Yeah, you know

492
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: my you know who was a little point guard at Dorset,

493
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: Kenya Wilks. He was a bad okay, so Kenny Wilkins.

494
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 1: Ok He's a bad motherfucker. Okay. So so I visited

495
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: when I left and I'm probably we're jumping out of order.

496
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: We'll get back to and said, So I left when

497
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: I left Notre Dame, Uh, I was visited health places

498
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm gonna sit out at junior college

499
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: and not play. And I went on on five visits

500
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: and my last visit was actually Oregon, and that was

501
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: the year that that Arizona won the national championship. Yeah,

502
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: I visited when Oregon beat Arizona and Keny Wilkins with

503
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: their point guard, and I had forgotten how how bad,

504
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: how much of a badass he was. And he was

505
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: a senior and I was going to replace him, and

506
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: he was he was. He was a bad boy, scoring

507
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: point little tougher than ship and Dorset has that cool

508
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: gym that it's in TV commercials because it's like all

509
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: glass at one end, right, and it's a really kind

510
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: of picture. Jim, But how did you Okay, so you're

511
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: at Culver City. How did you go to Dorsey and

512
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: why did you leave and go to Crenshaw? Uh? You

513
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: know the competition level wasn't where I wanted it to

514
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: be done, So you know, I said, look, I think

515
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: I p I peeked out somewhat. And my cousin Licky,

516
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: who would a fixture? Would you mentoring a lot of

517
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: it's that change. Please make this decision and go to

518
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: you guys will win the city and state championship. I'm like, Flicky,

519
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: that's just too much. You know, everybody's gone from Crenshaw. Yeah,

520
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: they you know they're being done, and how do you

521
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: know this? And then they got Jason Market is going there.

522
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: I said, that sounds nice, but you know, we gotta

523
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: relay this to my mom. We're transferring, you know, I

524
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: have to get to And I was excited, but it

525
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: was it was hard getting so. So you went to

526
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: Crenshaw if you went to doer seat for how long

527
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: to were free to? There? Was? Yeah? You so? And

528
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: for people who don't understand, Okay, so west Chester is

529
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: there's the four oh five. West Chester is west of

530
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: the four or five near the airport. Right there. You

531
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: go east of the four oh five around the ten

532
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: and there's Culver City and that's for Coulver City High School.

533
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: Now Crenshaw is in the Cranshaw district. But that's not No,

534
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: it's right next to it, isn't It isn't Cranshaw right

535
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: next to Colbra City. No, No, it's on you know what,

536
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: It's not as far as you think. But you've gotta

537
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: take you gotta take Slawson. You gotta take some pall

538
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: for the make a left on Slaws and go all

539
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: the way down. Okay, go all the way down Slawson

540
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: until you hit Cranshaw. Okay. Then once you hit Cranshaw,

541
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: now you're right there in South Central. You're in the

542
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: heart of the Creshaw district. And right there on Cresshaw

543
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: and thenty four there you got Crenshaw High School a

544
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: street over from Crenshaw. Okay. So, um, and I don't

545
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: like to do this to go back in time, but

546
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: I remember my freshman year. So you were at Westchester

547
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: at the time. He's not in the heart of South Central.

548
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: And as we point out here in Ladera again, nice

549
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: area of kind of a hilly area overlooking some of

550
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: the other stuff. Um, the white Orange County kids perspective,

551
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: and I had my whole life, we had gone there's

552
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: a Challenger's Boys Club. We used to hoop there on

553
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: Saturday mornings. We would have games there like in six

554
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: and seventh and eighth grade or whatever. So and I

555
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: had we had friends, and we knew about gangs and

556
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: all that stuff in the city. But you know, and

557
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: I grew up in Orange, California's fine. Um, what do

558
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: you remember what was what were the riots? Like the

559
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: Rodney King Because it has kind of come full circle

560
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: with all of this unrest now, like my member, Like

561
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: I had no idea that, and I know he was

562
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: on a bunch of stuff, but I had no idea

563
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: that cop streeted people like this like zero, you know,

564
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: like I didn't. Obviously you run up on cops that

565
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: are on a power trip with your white black Mexican

566
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: or whatever. But l and I've always feels like l A.

567
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: It's kind of homogeneous, right, like everybody's somewhere else, right,

568
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: And I'm just I have kind of a blind spot

569
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: to it because just how being raised in Hoop, like

570
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: you got your racist it's not the place for you, right,

571
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: But I like I remember, like when the riots went down,

572
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: like the ship got real. It was very, very different,

573
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of tensions from the city. What

574
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: was it like for you? What was your what's your

575
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: memories and your experience is going back to the l

576
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: A riots? You know that that is a fixture in

577
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: my life where you never will forget something up to

578
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: that very second when they cancel school and my mom

579
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: is calling me to make sure I come from school

580
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: right to her house. You know, this is where everything

581
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: starts trying to you know, trickle off. And I'm in

582
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: the car, my friend he said, and they're looting, let's go.

583
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, dude, moms, we had we had people

584
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: in my high school who were like and and touch

585
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: high school was the most diverse high school in Orange

586
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: County again right and and we had we had dudes

587
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: I never get I won't sell them out. We had

588
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: dudes on my team like, yo, we're going to l

589
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: a gets stuff like a bad idea. I am not going. Plus,

590
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm a white dude. I just saw that guy get

591
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: pulled out of his truck, like, no, thank you, and

592
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: ain't that ain't that bad? Come on? Come on anyway,

593
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: So your mom made you come your mom made you

594
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: came up and come home, and you just wrote it

595
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: out on you know what. I didn't make your home

596
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: that easy, you know, with stops people picking up people

597
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: over let's go over here, let's see this and see

598
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: that and tell you the truth idea right around for

599
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: about an hour. But you know I made it back

600
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: in safe because right about them, things were getting a

601
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit out of out of hand,

602
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: and you don't want to be in middle things there.

603
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: I don't fear what you are, just don't want right

604
00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: in the center of all that drama. And um it

605
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: was special for just be looking at it from my

606
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: time of my stall and then getting beat up by

607
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 1: the police was filmed on camera Brodney King, you know,

608
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: and just to see that, you know this many years

609
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: later at least the recording can uh be able to

610
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: convict you know, police for his doing that special. We

611
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: still have a long way to go, but just for

612
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: just seeing that that point of seeing that one camera

613
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: these guys uh off, but this camera can get him convicting.

614
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: I still I still don't. They all got off like that?

615
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: Was that like that? That was that they all we

616
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 1: we can we can do another, we can do another product.

617
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: It just it made no sense to anybody. They all

618
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: got off. Keep the shift out of this guy, right,

619
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: no bation that like come on anything. So it's like

620
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: face was it was it was and it probably what

621
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: led the o J getting Probably would let the o

622
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: J getting off because people are like that, she didn't

623
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: make any sense. Um, okay, so you show up at

624
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: Crenshaw and like that you coach West as your coach, right,

625
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: show best, yes, show you what what what's your memories

626
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: of showing up at Crenshaw's hip. I walked into Crenshaw

627
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: excuse me, And I looked to the left. You know,

628
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: you got the bleachers and you got about honestly, you

629
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: gotta probably kind of a hundred and fifty hundred fifty kids.

630
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: And I'm looking. I'm saying, oh, wow, the pe classes

631
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: are still in here, you know, crazy, And my man says, no,

632
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: they're trying out. Everybody you see up there is trying

633
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: out for Crenshaw basketball. And I'm like, are you serious? Wow?

634
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to play for Crenshaw basketball. And you know,

635
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: just to just to see that was amazing because that

636
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: got me more hyped. I said, oh, y'all trying out.

637
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: I'm trying out too, Okay, so let's go. And you know,

638
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: knowing that not the competition that already started when you

639
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: walked into chim and saw everybody, you know that it's

640
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a competitive, competitive couple of days right

641
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: now where everybody wanted to play at the Crenshaw jersey

642
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: all And when I saw that, I never saw that again.

643
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: You'll never see that again. I don't even think play

644
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: fresh Shaw. But you had everybody left. Alexis friend was gone.

645
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: We got a lot of players that, uh, we're senior.

646
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: So it was all about rebuilding Crenshaw back. And if

647
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: it took him watching players all the day, my good

648
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: news for um, it was well worth it. As you see,

649
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: you know, I saw Press out there and I'm looking okay,

650
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: carcass okay, and he's going all these modes and just

651
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: making it looks so easy. And he had a little

652
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: bit of weight on. No, not bad, but just stick,

653
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: you know. And as he now he was fat. It's

654
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: it's okay, j J. I mean, like, look he was fat.

655
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: He was unbelieved was he was. He was unbelievable how

656
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: how skilled he was and he was and at that

657
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 1: time he just hadn't taken care of his body yet. Yeah,

658
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: and he was he was fat. It was all right,

659
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: like he was, he's gonna that's like a little chuck. Okay,

660
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: look he yeah he had more. Here's what you don't know.

661
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: So kJ kJ who I love. And he was a

662
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: great player. But he's like me, I write, like we're

663
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: talkers and bullshitters or whatever. So the summer before that year,

664
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: the circuit used to be you play in the tournament

665
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: Long Beach, right, is he at tournament Long Beach, Then

666
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,959
Speaker 1: you go play in Vegas at the like the Nike

667
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: National Championship, and then you go playing Phoenix and it

668
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: was back to back to back weeks and you played

669
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: a camp first, right, if you were good enough, you

670
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: played in the abc D, which we went to the

671
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: next year. That year was that you cry was good at.

672
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: There's also Superstar Camp and then there was West Coast

673
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: of the Pump Camp, right, which was so you did

674
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: camp camp and then like a day of practice and

675
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: then Long Beach and then Vegas and then Phoenix. By

676
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: the time you get to Phoenix, you're tired. You're kind

677
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: of done it kind of done right. It's kind of

678
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: like we're done. It's hot. And some of those gyms

679
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: back then didn't have a C or the A C

680
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: wasn't working all that well, right, You kind of like

681
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: and these guys you you started playing with in the

682
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: spring and you played like a hundred games with them,

683
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: and you know, it's like your brother, like you get

684
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: kind of tired of each other. We got into a

685
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: fight in the back of a fifteen past year Van,

686
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: me and kJ and on the way to Phoenix, the

687
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: own like MYA was about to beat both of our assets.

688
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 1: That we had to fight like here's a grown man,

689
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: and like Marcus was cool and JJ eventually left and

690
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: I think you guys played in the same travel team

691
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: that next year, right, but it was Marcus was cool.

692
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, treat him like he's your son.

693
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: Like one discipline and discipline and anyway, we got into

694
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: a fight. Whatever, don't feel bad we did too. Okay,

695
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: I know that's but that's but but it's like one

696
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: of those you're around each other enough where you pissed

697
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: each other off and then you come and he's much

698
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: bigger than me. But he question bro hey, yes, he

699
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: definitely knows how a question. But but he was heavy,

700
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: he was and it probably you know, changed his it

701
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: changed his life when when he changed his diet as

702
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: U C l A um. Okay, but but I they

703
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: didn't cover l A teams in Orange County, like I

704
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: don't ever remember. Like first time I saw Crenshall play

705
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: was the Sports Arena against Modern Day and they wanted

706
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: no part of you guys. And that was a loaded team.

707
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: That team, Okay, that team they beat, they beat my

708
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 1: I had. I went to a public school. I didn't

709
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: want to go want to go to there because I

710
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: wanted to It's kind of the same thing as you

711
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: in Culver City. Like I wanted to play Mother Day,

712
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: like they had too many dudes. I wouldn't have been

713
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: able to play until like my senior year, got some

714
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: time with Suferie. Remember to see, like Sufie was Sufie

715
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: was my teammate. He was older than me. But they

716
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: had Sufi. Then they had my age. They had Clay McKnight,

717
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: who was not a point guard, but like, look the

718
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: coach's son's gonna play, right, said Clay. They had Kevin

719
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: Augustine was younger than me, but he was a hooper

720
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: like bad they always and they had Miles. They had

721
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: those are all my guys that I played with. So

722
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Were you guys dominant that year? Were

723
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: you just okay? Like what was your actual season? Like

724
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: we were. We were picked to win that game. You know,

725
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: Modern Day was loaded. We kind of came out the blue.

726
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: We almost lost the Campastrado Valley that year. You know,

727
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: they had a guy that could not miss from the

728
00:39:54,440 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: corner and once again Chris he just ga you know,

729
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: he went up, Miles missed the brow with three seconds left,

730
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: Rico got the basketball. That's book too. He takes a

731
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: dribble ass off the christ They didn't play Rico tough.

732
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: They he might so what was it was? Mother? It was?

733
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: Mother Day was up one? Okay, Mother Day was up one.

734
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: Miles could could have sealed it or at least made

735
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: it when we would have went into overtime if he

736
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: would have made a second free though he misses. It

737
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: hits the back of the iron. Rico gets the back,

738
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: Bull gets the rebound, shoots into Chris. Chris gets the

739
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: ball's two seconds left. He actually went I don't know

740
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: how they did it so quick. Rico took one dribble

741
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: past it. Chris took the ball. He does a little

742
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: foot shot like this two seconds and now you see

743
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: the ball goes righty and he takes He takes the

744
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: only dcing takes to drill. He gets the ball. You

745
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: know he might have took a dribble and this shoots

746
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: a little shot play and then go was in. I

747
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: found out. I think I found Mark Williams Mark Mark

748
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: ye about him? And uh he got he got found.

749
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: I got my boss crying and hurt at the same

750
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: time because I thought it. I'm like, oh hurt my phono.

751
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: So you know I was out it in. I'm cheering

752
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: from the bench. I'm like, oh, when that shot, I'm running,

753
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: I forgot, I was hurt. I'm running to Chris and

754
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: we all running on the court. To this day, I

755
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: cannot find that game. And that was one game that

756
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: I would love to have for my documentary. Now I've

757
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: got all the you know, the Mother Day with Shade,

758
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, I've got the Jugu with game like My Tank,

759
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: but that game right there, it's a classic game that

760
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: that anybody's listening from. I'll get tough problem. I'm sure

761
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: Monday hasn't. They tried to burn it right there? You go, Okay,

762
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: let's fast let's fast forward. So we go to a

763
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: b C D camp in YIPSTERLANDI, Michigan. Yeah, okay, so

764
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: here's the squad I remember, Let's see if I get

765
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: it right here. Okay. So Gilanni Gardner who he was

766
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: a bad boy, right Gilnnie was. He was six five

767
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: point guard. My dad's like, that's the next Benjie Johnson.

768
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: Um we um uh. So we had Gilanni Gardner, we

769
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: had Tony Gnzalez. Yeah right, we had you, we had me.

770
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: We had Alex Lopez, who I played with in sixth grade,

771
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: right right, the Brook and Robins brother. Okay Man, we

772
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: had a dude from Trayvon Carmichael from Fontana. That name

773
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: sounded from I saw yeah, Okay. So he was like

774
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: he was like six five six four good dunk, pretty good.

775
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean, no one none. He was like in an empire.

776
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: Like at that time, it didn't really exist on our radar, right,

777
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: didn't really didn't really know who he was. Who had

778
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: We had Slick Rick Ricky Price? Okay who was Rick? Rick?

779
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: Was always on a evil team. Like literally, I've never

780
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: played all these guys I've never played with before. And

781
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: Miles and those guys. They went to nights camp. So

782
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: we go to a b C D. Okay Wood, He's

783
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: I'll give you my memory a second. This about you.

784
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: What is your memory of how you blew up at

785
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: that camp? Um? You know I coming off that that

786
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: city and state championship and go there. My thing was

787
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: I wanted, I mean personally, I know we had a squad.

788
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: My thing was trying to improve myself on the wings.

789
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to be a small forward. I

790
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: want to be able to play outside, you know, away

791
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: from the basket and that camp is what gave me

792
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: the opportunity. And your dad, did you know, we we

793
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: bumped heads a lot, but your dad actually gave me

794
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: that once. I mean that you bumped head once. Here's

795
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: what happened. There's this story. I know because I lived

796
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: it and I was there and I don't forget it.

797
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: But the second game we're playing, and we were like

798
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: at that time general and he's like, we should all

799
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: play you together this summer. We're gonna kick everybody's ass.

800
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: Like we just stayed together, right, and we were we

801
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: were super tight and it was just fun and we

802
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: were kicking somebody's ass. And the way it worked was

803
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: there were four ten minute quarters, right and running time,

804
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: and I think we had ten dudes on the squad

805
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: right and or and you'd play so there was no

806
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: and if you had less, it was like a number system.

807
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: So everybody played like the same amount. Five guys, five guys,

808
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: five got and then there was a ten minute coaches

809
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: quarter and that was like, all right, now you're trying

810
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: to win, and the coaches could sub freely and we

811
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: beat somebody but like twenty points and after the game,

812
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: everybody's five and you're pissed pissed. Really was like yeah,

813
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeo, man, what's the matter. It's like, yo, man,

814
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: you pops didn't play me. It's like, what are you

815
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: talking about? Like he didn't play me? And I went

816
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: up to my dad was like, hey, man, I don't

817
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: think you played Tremaine. He's like, what are you talking about?

818
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: He just forgot. So you're hot. So the way it

819
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: worked was, well, in the morning, there'd be like a

820
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 1: clinician or whatever, we do some stuff, a little practice.

821
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: In the afternoon, we play, and then we had dinner

822
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: and then we play again. So it's probably like the

823
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: second day of being there. Yeah, go to dinner and

824
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: you're not talking to anybody. You're sucking hot hot and

825
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: you definitely don't want to talk to me, and of

826
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: all the people above me, you don't even want to

827
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: look at my dad, right, you are so pissed. And

828
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: so you were already a freak show in layup lines

829
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: like I had no idea. I just had no ide

830
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: I've seen you play once in my life before that

831
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: a crnshaway you know what we kneho you were and

832
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: like Ricky was blowing up. Ricky was like the best

833
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: player in camp, and so you were like, hey man,

834
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: I ain't fucking passing. I was like, all right, Like

835
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with that, Like all

836
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: I do is passed, like whatever. You know, you did

837
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: the entire game. You also, I think missed one shot

838
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: the entire game. It was like it was like you

839
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: were so focused. I am so mad at that white

840
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: dude coaching. I'm so mad at everybody else. Nobody knows

841
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: who I am. I'm gonna kill everybody. It's like that

842
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: that Seene Marcus in um white man can't jump and

843
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: go back to my car, give him another gun. Shoot

844
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: everybody that nobody but I don't know. Yeah, that was you,

845
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: and from that moment on, everybody knows who you were.

846
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: That's my memory of it. From that moment, my dad

847
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: was like, oh, shift, he can play, he can shoot,

848
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: he can play the wing, Like go do you man,

849
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: just just go to you. It was one of those

850
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna show you and you did you know

851
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: what that? You know what? Goodness gracious, that was the

852
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: game of my life. Now you gotta rewrite your book

853
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: right that right that right there, I remember that I

854
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: was really I did I got hot and partaking that

855
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: I didn't pass the ball or not, But the point

856
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: was I was focused. That's the film you need, That's

857
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: the tape you need to find. That would be that

858
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: was you have that one? Yeah? That that would be

859
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 1: a classic Sunny Sunny Sunny we need to call sunny Son.

860
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: Sunny definitely had it. Okay. So my recollection a cow

861
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: is we knew some ship was going on. And here's

862
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: how because Gilani was a talker, right And if you remember,

863
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: so I roomed who did you room with? That camp?

864
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: I roomed with with j R. Henderson? Who was that?

865
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: Who did I room with? Alex? Remember what I remember

866
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: a lot of Detroit players with Well we we lost

867
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: in Detroit, the Detroit in the finals, right, and I

868
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: think they were next. They were like next to us,

869
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: which made it worse. But so what I remember was

870
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: was was next. So we had a room and it

871
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: was like no air conditioning that ship either, it was

872
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: what And I had JR with me, who lives in Bakersfield.

873
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: That's how to ship. And he was miserable and he

874
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: would take he would take cold towels and put him

875
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: all over his body and his lags and bed and

876
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: I was like okay um so so, Gilanni and Ricky

877
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: were next door to us, and they roomed together, and

878
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: they had hated each other beforehand, but they somehow I

879
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: kind of became boys. And Antoine Walker, Antoine Walker was

880
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: was always coming over playing cards to shooting dice, and

881
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: they started talking about we ain't going nowhere for lessening

882
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: to hundred grand, we ain't going up. And I was like,

883
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: and they kept talking about cal So, why did you

884
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: to too st Why did you choose cat um? You know,

885
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: I took off. That was a good point if you

886
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: if I look back at it again, you know, Bowles

887
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: wasn't actually my favorite you know, home visit at that time.

888
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: My favorite home business was where Roy Williams. I was

889
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: impressed with boy and Jim behind. I'm still impressed with

890
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: Jim because he didn't walk in with anything. He just

891
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: had this and say I gotta take for you to

892
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: watch on the school program, and then after this, I'm

893
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: just gonna, you know, give you my spill uh bowls.

894
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: It was I like, excuse me. I like the influence

895
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: that he had not only on me, but my mom

896
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: and my dad. He gave he made them feel real

897
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: comfortable and and let's say something. It's a difference between Bruder.

898
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: You know, Coach Bowls was more of a good recruider.

899
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: You know, he could get you on campus. Okay, once

900
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: you're on campus and you know, some things might not

901
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: work how you want them to. But for him to

902
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: get you that, you know, have you know that influence

903
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: on my parents. That kind of meant something for me.

904
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: Uh And not saying anything bad. He wasn't bad coach.

905
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: He wasn't the best coach for me at that time,

906
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: but I loved an assistant coaches. You had Charles Hey,

907
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: You have Billy Kennedy, um, you know, and you know

908
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: he was at D and M for years. You know,

909
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: Coach Payne was that, uh for a number of years.

910
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: Assistant coaches. When had Robert you know, you had a

911
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: you know Earlie Kirk kerk Townsend, right, Yeah, he's you know,

912
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: he's been in Kansas forever. So those guys really just

913
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: closed the dem you know with me going there. I mean,

914
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: and then you had Scott Perry. You know Scott Perry,

915
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: you know it's been you know, an NBA since then.

916
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: You know GM. He was my actually my GM assistant

917
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: with Joe Dumars in Detroit. So you know you had

918
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: that nucleus up there that you know, it made you

919
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: feel good. You know, not only are you, you know,

920
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: having a cool with the head coach, but you have

921
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: a relationship with assistant coaches. So once I was on campus,

922
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: it was you know, me, Gilanni and I talked, you know,

923
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: and you know, Gilani saying he's gonna throw me lives

924
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: and you know it's like it's us bro as us

925
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: and you know that's what you want. You know, you

926
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: want another you know, recruit there saying hey, we're gonna

927
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: change this. And then when you had Tony that didn't

928
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: hurt you knowledge two stars sports was like, hey, I'm

929
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: coming here, but I'm a So when you look at that,

930
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I was just coming by myself.

931
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: I had we were getting paid. No, I didn't get paid,

932
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: which you know a lot of people thought I got paid.

933
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: Now you know, of course, you know, summer Bridge was

934
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: free for me. You know, you get countless meals and

935
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, shoes. But if you're talking about the Julyani,

936
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: you know, with the meeting with you know Pops and all,

937
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, you know, money being exchanged. You know that

938
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: that wasn't me. You know, Fresno. I got some money,

939
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: you know, but I didn't you know, any money to

940
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: go to town. You know. So when you so you

941
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: show up like you've been in l A your whole

942
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: life and now you're berserkly right. My brother was up

943
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: there six six years. It's just like different, different place.

944
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: What was that like for you? Berkeley was nice? Oh,

945
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: you just feel so connected to the city. You know,

946
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: the town um, the free open by. You know, people

947
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: actually keep their head up and talk to you. You

948
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: know a lot of people these days walk past you

949
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: and they keep their head down. Berkeley. They want to

950
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: and see, you know, invite you, say hi. You know, uh,

951
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: you might have a conversation with somebody in life. You

952
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: guys waiting to buy something. You know. It's it's more

953
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: of a open, warm hearted spirit, a little crazy. It's

954
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: a you know, you don't know, you might have a

955
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: guy walking back. It's a class which back that was

956
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: a big game back then. Free speech, you know, cal

957
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: has free speech. That is the mecca e speech. And uh,

958
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: it was just great to feel that experience. Uh. It

959
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: was just unfortunate that basketball played a way bigger part then,

960
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, close to with me, you know, leaving cal

961
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: no question? Okay, So um, so you decide did you

962
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: leave before everything blew up or did you leave because

963
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: it was all blowing up at the n C stuff?

964
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: I left. I left right after uh Oles. You know

965
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: I was gone before because if I knew BOS probably

966
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,959
Speaker 1: would have got fired up. I mean nothing against Bols.

967
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: I probably would have stayed. You know, I've already made

968
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: my commit mentor Tart and you know, and how how that?

969
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: How how did that happened? How did how did how

970
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: did charge? How did you get to because now you're

971
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: going to portal and something they calls you, how did

972
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: it happened that you well, you know that it's you know,

973
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 1: time is everything. By this time, James Uh Gunny James

974
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: Gray had uh signed with Fresno. He has spent his

975
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: two years in Santa Monica, j C with Marvin Bendzy.

976
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: And I said, hey, that's my you know, Gubby's my guy.

977
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: You know, I said, hey, this might be a waian

978
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: for for for Frasno back on the path having l

979
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: a a kid. And I talked to Tart, you know,

980
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: feel feel good. So they had good players. I been

981
00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: down there and I know what work. I spoke with

982
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: Danny Karkanian. John Belch was coaching great work. I got

983
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: me unbelieving, like yeah you alright? No good? So the

984
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: the the uh it was a good foundation, you know.

985
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 1: I think I worked out with Welles maybe the second person.

986
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: Second day. How was there? He said, they do you

987
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: want to work out? And I'm like, well why not?

988
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 1: You know, and trust me, I went out that work.

989
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: So who's on your squad at at at President, Well,

990
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: you got a super squad there, man. You know you

991
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: had Terence Roeberson for time off. Yeah he was on

992
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: that Michigan squad that we played against. Yeah, yeah, you

993
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: had Chris Harry Um. You had a Bondre Jones, you know,

994
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: but Andre Jones Southern cally kill right he was he

995
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: was at Artisia still abandoned boys, right, Okay, So so

996
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: I got now, I got a bunch of questions out right.

997
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: This is ray for Austin Skip, like you had dude

998
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: from everywhere? Okay, So let's let's start with Chris Harmon. Yeah, okay,

999
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: so he was a bad boy right the ABC got

1000
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: in trouble coke at BC. He's that Fresno he's hooping,

1001
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: did you know, he was still on something. He was

1002
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: partying on stuff. You know what. He did a good

1003
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: job of keeping his business way. Uh, sometimes his business

1004
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: would come to you know, it would come to him

1005
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: and we will see. But Chris always kept a professional

1006
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: You didn't know how he was. You know, you come

1007
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: right into practice and start whooping, you know, intense. So

1008
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: the intensity was there and that helped raise our level

1009
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: of intensity too. So however means it came by Chris, okay,

1010
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: and uh that helped us. Right now, his habit, you know,

1011
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: you could see some little here in their moments, but

1012
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: we also had his back as far as hey, we're

1013
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: not gonna put this out here. When he gets suspended,

1014
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: we will say, asked the substance of problems with people,

1015
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: laid it off on alcohol, you know, we laid it

1016
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: off on alcohol for him, so people, but he wouldn't

1017
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: do with folks. So you know that was something the

1018
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: team and that's what team. The team was there for.

1019
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: So paing for a certain amount of time and come

1020
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: back and help us, you know, our nucleus. If our

1021
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 1: nucleus stayed together, you know, we went for Walton to

1022
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: Mr Basketball Detroit. You know, so right, just thinking like,

1023
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, how did it? How did it work?

1024
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: It was getting paid, like did they because I heard

1025
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: stories about that when the guys were at Vegas. Right,

1026
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: the way was you knew you had a guy. You

1027
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: had one guy you go to on a Friday. You

1028
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 1: go into the office and they get you an envelope

1029
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: and you go. There's the old stories of in Vegas

1030
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: guys would be a be a parking valet, right, you

1031
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,919
Speaker 1: have a job at the parking valet and you would

1032
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: get like crazy, you work for a couple of hours,

1033
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: you get crazy tips from just the right guy. Like

1034
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: it's obviously twenty years later, how did it work? You

1035
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: know it would be it would be Alumnis you know

1036
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: that would you know help us out. You know they

1037
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: have their you know their vegetable crops. You know Fresno.

1038
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: You know it's all nothing but lands. So you got

1039
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: your wine crops, you got everything. So majority of alumni

1040
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,479
Speaker 1: from Fresno, you know, they had a lot of land

1041
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: and we'll go out there, you know, for them to

1042
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: be able to come see us and sit down and

1043
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: their property at the table and be able to they're

1044
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: feeling special, We're feeling special. It was a mutual. He said, hey,

1045
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: trade d eat, So what do I moved down there

1046
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:48,439
Speaker 1: with girls graduated from Cow and so she was trying

1047
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: to fill out her ways too, and I said, you know,

1048
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,959
Speaker 1: we're just trying to get things right and say, hey, Tray,

1049
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: come here once a month you know if you if

1050
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: you need me, will be good. You know, here's a

1051
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: couple of thousds. Hey, I'll take that. And it's nothing

1052
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: like you'd been getting a twenty attend fifty thousand dollar backs.

1053
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: But it was because the couple of thousand were consistent.

1054
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: And that's what you need as a kid to survive.

1055
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: You know, you need a couple of thousand here and there.

1056
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: You don't need much. You just need to make sure

1057
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: you're comfortable and you can go about your way. Now,

1058
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, me getting cars and stuff from Cow paying

1059
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: from outside sources, you know, and uh, you didn't get

1060
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: anything from Cow. No, No, I'm talking about when I

1061
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: got a car at Cow, I got that from outside sources.

1062
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: I was James Casey. You know when I got in trouble.

1063
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: I got in trouble from taking stuff from James Casey,

1064
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: not actually at Cow. So when you're taking nobody actually

1065
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: a cow actually paid me. Uh, but they did they

1066
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: set up the deal with James Casey. They say, ain't

1067
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: go see James Casey, We'll see Casey and both didn't

1068
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: get along. So you know the relationship with cal and

1069
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: Casey really never existed. You know. Uh, my thing with

1070
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: Casey existed with guys who were financially able in the

1071
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: hood to support me, and of course they wanted their

1072
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: money back once I made you know, right, that's the

1073
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: that's the part that I don't know if people, if

1074
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: if kids understand well enough. Right, It's like when you

1075
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: take money for people. Yes, there are people like Fresnel

1076
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: State boosters that they just they just want you to be.

1077
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: But when you take money from a dude in the

1078
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: in the city, okay, you take money from a dude

1079
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: who wants to be an agent, they want something back

1080
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: in return. Right, right? When did you when did you

1081
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: find that out? Um? Once I got to the NBA,

1082
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: you know, you know everything at all the doors, you

1083
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: know your doors knock. Once you make it to the NBA,

1084
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: you know you have old agents and you know you

1085
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: have to apply by the contracts too. You know, uh,

1086
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: you make the NBA, this amount is old. If you

1087
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: don't make it to the NBA. There only this amount

1088
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: has to be repaid. So I wanted to make it

1089
00:59:54,400 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: so this had to be repaid, so obligate sense, you know,

1090
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: with everybody, and it worked out. Um, were you there

1091
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: during the Vonnie Jones Kenny Brunner Samurai sword deep? Kenny

1092
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: Bruner was a bad motherfucker's a player. Yeah, he played

1093
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: Domingus my junior. They beat us my senior. There there

1094
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: beings I he was. He is, without any question, the

1095
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: quickest toughest guard I have ever played against. You couldn't

1096
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: really shoot, but it didn't matter because you couldn't keep

1097
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: him in front o. Um remember Tank who went to

1098
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: Providence and he came back to lombie state. Uh shoot,

1099
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: I'll think of the next one. Like like I couldn't

1100
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: I couldn't do anything with with with Kenny. Kenny was

1101
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,479
Speaker 1: a bad, bad mother. Right. So it goes to George

1102
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: Sunny transfers back, all right, give me the night and

1103
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: how it all went down? Okay, he real quick? You know,

1104
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: Uh my girl now staying at the house. Um, you know,

1105
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm Kenny's coming out and saying, Hey, Ken, he's gonna

1106
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: stay up with us for two days, two days, and

1107
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: she says, okay, well, I'll cook for you guys, this

1108
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: and that. I say, no, what just ordered pizzas? So

1109
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: we ordered a piece of Kenny comes over. I'm like,

1110
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: this be good for you. But why would you leave Georgetown? Okay,

1111
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: why did you leave? You were perfect there? So I said, okay,

1112
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: you'll come here to stay out of trouble. We can

1113
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: make this happen. I said to stay here with me

1114
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: these two days, I said. I wake up in the morning,

1115
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: Kenny's gone visit. No, he's gone. I can't find him.

1116
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: He's over in Bondre's house. He went to Bondre's house. Okay,

1117
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: so I'm calling Kenny. I said, hey, where are you gonna?

1118
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: What's going on? He said, Man, I'm gonna come over

1119
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: here and mess with my other apartment. I said, okay, cool,

1120
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: I let that go. The whole day. The next day,

1121
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking at wake up and watch the news. I

1122
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: see him and and Andre coming out uh the jail,

1123
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: getting belt out of the jail. I'm like, what happened

1124
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: within those twenty four hours that will allow you guys

1125
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: to be arrested and getting bailt out of jail on

1126
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: the news. So not only there on channel two, they're

1127
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: on two five, nine, eleven, thirteen, you know, and Fresno.

1128
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: That's all it is. You know, it's US Fresno State.

1129
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: So when you get in trouble, you get super exposed,

1130
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: and when you get to do something good, you get

1131
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: super uh props. So it was a cash twenty two.

1132
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: It's a double heads sword. So right there, I found

1133
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: out that they you know, uh, they wouldn't let us.

1134
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let a kid leave out of there. Dad

1135
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: had went to the playing when playing video games. They're

1136
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: there and they were smoking, like what what what? What

1137
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: that will happen? I say, I would say everything. I

1138
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: think something got went bad. They got bad. You know,

1139
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: they were playing with him. So a two different type

1140
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: of city. Did you know that Money had samurai swords?

1141
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: Bonnie has samurai swords. You know Bonny is uh, you

1142
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: know he keeps a little little trick trick looks like

1143
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: that around the house and whatever body did. You're gonna

1144
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: be intimidated, of course to a kid when you're seventh

1145
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: with a samurai sword. You know what what was tart? Like? Tart?

1146
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: Tart was great man? You know, um, I wish I

1147
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,959
Speaker 1: really could have got the the younger tording, not knowing

1148
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: that he was kind of on his last leg. And

1149
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: he let you know, the coaches, you know Danny, and

1150
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,959
Speaker 1: Danny's a great guy. At that time, he really didn't

1151
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: know how to coach and he was still learning and

1152
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: and you know, he was still trying to learn the

1153
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: game of basketball. And you have well you you know

1154
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: as a workout guy, but still trying to get his

1155
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: coaching you know, uh style together. And you had Johnny

1156
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: Brown and he Johnny Brown is a good coach. More

1157
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: on the quiet side, you know. So we had we

1158
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: had they had to jail all those things and to

1159
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: try to make it happen because you know, all those

1160
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: personalities is tough everybody, I name it is a fire

1161
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: starter ray for Chris, but everybody, everybody. So for them,

1162
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: they get a lot of credit for holding us. And

1163
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: it's the least you know, where we were able to,

1164
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, have some success. You know, we didn't have

1165
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: the same starting lineup, you know, the number five times

1166
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: the whole year with all suspensions, but for us to

1167
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: be playing ball at the end of the year, going

1168
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: to the end I T Final four at least to

1169
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 1: be playing why you know the n C as was

1170
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: playing was a blessing. But you know for me to say, hey,

1171
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: I'll play with tart uh, that's always gonna be special

1172
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: for him. You know what he did at r n LB. Yeah,

1173
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: it's it is interesting though that, like you're you're aware

1174
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: enough now to know that, like you went to Bows

1175
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: it was you were recruited, right, and you you went

1176
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: to two places because of more relationships than who's the

1177
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: best coach for me? Right? Whereas if you could if

1178
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: you do a do over, I can't do do over

1179
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: like I would have gone to Notre Dame as a duover, right,

1180
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: you do, you would have gone to somebody who was like,

1181
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: all right, what is the best for me as a player? Right?

1182
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: What is what is the best for me as a player?

1183
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 1: And obviously years later, let's let's do this. Okay. So

1184
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: you get done playing and you're at a place where

1185
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: t Robe you got skip you can always do it.

1186
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: Everybody thinks they're going to the league. Everybody thinks they're

1187
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: gonna be first undraft pick. What what happened? You get

1188
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: done planned? What was what do you remember about the

1189
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: next step? You know, trying to to get outside that

1190
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: tweener uh stage you know three. But now it's crazy.

1191
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:21,479
Speaker 1: Now it's just the thing down. Yeah, it's like, listen,

1192
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: this is this is not because you're on my part

1193
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: has nothing to do it. Right, If you were graduating

1194
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,919
Speaker 1: college right now, you were a senior in college, yeah,

1195
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: stick six okay to what fifteen? Right right? Yeah, that's

1196
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: playing away for me. Okay, yes, six to fifteen. You

1197
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: could guard one to three four, right, you got football background,

1198
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: everybody like that, and all you gotta do is be

1199
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: able to make a make an open shot every now

1200
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: and again. You played for fifteen years, right, you're you're

1201
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: you're the man if you could do that, right, right,

1202
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: But but then you had everybody had to go like

1203
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: down a position, right, like, oh you gotta you gotta

1204
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: show you're a two three Like, so, okay, you get done.

1205
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: Did you go to Phoenix? Did you go to Chicago? Did? What?

1206
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: Did you have to play workouts? Would you do? I

1207
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: went to Chicago camp. I Actually you know Dame Settles

1208
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: who actually worked me out, who was a Pepper Dying

1209
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: left legend, had his number retired at Pepper died. He

1210
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: actually worked me out really good to make me a

1211
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: three man you know, small forward. I end up going

1212
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: to Chicago Camp. I really did good. Uh your boy,

1213
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: Ricky Davis, like, man, you really got got that that

1214
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: small forward. By dawn, they're talking good about you. So

1215
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: you know, I thought that I would really be able

1216
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: to get in that first round. And I even got

1217
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: a call from Marcus Johnson Markets said hey, man, they

1218
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: like you in Seattle. To man, I worked out for Seattle,

1219
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: worked out for various teams, thinking, Doug, that might be

1220
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 1: a maybe a twenty nine to maybe a forty and pick.

1221
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: You know, I worked out with Eddie Jordan's and uh,

1222
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: he said, we'll take you with the thirty second pick

1223
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: a Sacramento, you know, letting know they fired him on

1224
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: draft day, so I said, okay, that's out the door. Uh,

1225
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: you know, I fall all the way to fifty fourth

1226
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: was a disappointing. I never worked out for Denver, but

1227
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, they drafted excuse me, Ryan Bowen and I

1228
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: which was great, you know, and uh, you know for

1229
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: me to say hey, And then of course the last

1230
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: pick of that draft with j R. Henderson at eight,

1231
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: so I thought we all should have been a little higher.

1232
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: But I took that in. You know, met Danissel and

1233
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: it was just a screwed up year, Doug. It was

1234
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: a lockout year. You know, nothing was going was working

1235
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: for me at that time. With the lockout year, a

1236
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: lot of polit politics involved with players on the team

1237
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: and who were staying whatnot. And I should have did

1238
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: with Ryan Bowen and he left and went to London

1239
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: money first. He came back so prompted to him though,

1240
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: but you know you right, I went to Yackima with

1241
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: Paul Whoop whooper uh who was coaching down there, and

1242
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,959
Speaker 1: that was a tough situation. I really didn't get along

1243
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: after Carter, you know, he was a good, good, great

1244
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: guard though, But me coming and try to play catch

1245
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: up with some with guys that had already been here

1246
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: for you know, the certain amount of games. You know,

1247
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, try You're gonna have to take a

1248
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: back seat and come in as you you know, as

1249
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: you but in many ways and and this may and

1250
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if you agree because you actually lived

1251
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: and experienced it. But as much as I would tell

1252
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: you that the presdent situation is fucked up because you

1253
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: weren't like when I was at Notre Dame, when I

1254
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 1: was at Oaklahoma State, like we all want to go

1255
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: the league, but we were all about us, like we're type.

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Speaker 1: It was all about us. Fresno, Yeah, you'll want to

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Speaker 1: win and all that, but it was still everybody in

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Speaker 1: that room was kind of It was almost like CBA basketball,

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Speaker 1: where this is just a pit stop on the right.

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Speaker 1: The reason I tell people all the time is like,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to do that, and you did the

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Speaker 1: ib L, which I did as well. Um that you

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Speaker 1: don't want to do, which you don't want to do.

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Speaker 1: Minor league basketball is no one in minor league basketball

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Speaker 1: wants to be on that team. No but the coach,

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Speaker 1: the gentle manager, nobody, nobody. That's the last place. And

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Speaker 1: whatever you can do to get off that team onto

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01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: a better team is your goal. And it's kind of toxic,

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Speaker 1: but also, like you know, you go into kind of

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Speaker 1: survival mode. So I do think that on some level,

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Speaker 1: Fresno did kind of prepare you for it, but it's

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Speaker 1: it's different. Okay, So you signed with Denver, you don't

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Speaker 1: play for Dennon, you go to Yakima. That's not great, right.

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Speaker 1: How did you get to the IBL uh? I got

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Speaker 1: to the IBL word from Oscar Robinson got got back

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Speaker 1: to you know, got to me, and you know I

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Speaker 1: went on the NBA Legends Tour, uh with a lot

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Speaker 1: of X. Yeah, the end play in the league and

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Speaker 1: you got the legends to it. That's amazing, man. You

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Speaker 1: know what it was? It was some type of where

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Speaker 1: they you know, somebody saw me. You know, Oscar Robinson, No,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm sorry. Oscar Robinson was the he was

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Speaker 1: sort of the president of the i b L Cincinnati stuff,

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Speaker 1: so that I believe you know, you know what that was. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because Joeb Right job Right as saw me. Job Right

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Speaker 1: was the coach of the Harlem gold Childers when I

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Speaker 1: first came back from tearing my achilles, and he ended

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Speaker 1: up being a coach. But you skipped the se when'd

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Speaker 1: you carry you achilles? I tore my akeiley. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: that was but you know, first of all, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to do do this so I can really give

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Speaker 1: you the whole runday. I've tore both achieves. I tore

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Speaker 1: my right achilles before I got into NBA and I

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Speaker 1: tore my left one um when Dennis Johnson was coaching

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01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 1: me at the Florida Flame and he was and rest

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Speaker 1: in peace. DJ. He regretted playing me that night. He said,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna get a call up. Um, get a

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Speaker 1: call up that next day. I said, don't take it personal, DJ.

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Speaker 1: You know that's how it is, and that's how it's

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Speaker 1: got me. But look, I tore both of them before,

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Speaker 1: you know, before I retired. Okay, So here's what we're

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Speaker 1: gonna do. We're gonna do. We're gonna do all of

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Speaker 1: that part of the journey. We gotta do the Mouach

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Speaker 1: to the palace. Yeah, we gotta. We gotta do now. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: but you gotta leave me with one. I need I

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Speaker 1: need one quick. Your first NBA game was with the Clippers, correct, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that Homer on the road. It was on the road

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Speaker 1: against Reggie Miller. My first foul found Reggie gotta hand one.

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Speaker 1: And I'm saying, oh boy, my first found against Reggie

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Speaker 1: and I found and end up playing. Yeah, but that's

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Speaker 1: the later story too. Okay, But here's the story. Here's

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Speaker 1: the here's the question. I want to know. Okay, you

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Speaker 1: grew up in Los Angeles. Hey, your greatest high school moment.

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Speaker 1: I know you won the state title, but you beat

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Speaker 1: Mother Day twice in the sports Arena. What was it

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Speaker 1: like to make it you would torn your achilles tendon

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Speaker 1: and to make it to the NBA for the Clippers?

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Speaker 1: What what was that feeling? Like? Drain come true? Drain

1319
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Speaker 1: comes to was a blessing? Um, real quick before we go?

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Speaker 1: When my agent called me and said, hey, do you

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Speaker 1: want to go come to l A you know, play?

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Speaker 1: I said yeah, he said yeah, So he said pack

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Speaker 1: your bags. I said we're playing for the Lakers. He

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Speaker 1: was like, he said no right, I said, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: make a difference. I said, I'll be there too. So

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Speaker 1: but do you remember that the first night of suiting

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Speaker 1: up in the NBA? Like you do you have? Like

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Speaker 1: I remember high school when I first I got my

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Speaker 1: first my first day of barsity my freshman year, I'd

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Speaker 1: like scared at my uniform, put it on, walked around.

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Speaker 1: I remember college when I put the first put on

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Speaker 1: my uniform and all I wanted was one night in

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Speaker 1: an NBA jersey? What what's that? What's that feeling? Like?

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Speaker 1: That's the first thing you look at in the locker room. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you just look around. You're looking like, Okay, where's my jersey?

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Speaker 1: Where's my jersey? Oh? There goes all right. Cool. So

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Speaker 1: he's like, okay, now you get that. You're just like

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Speaker 1: a feeling, you know, you get your nervous mind, get

1339
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Speaker 1: a good feeling, match heat with the best. What number

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Speaker 1: were you with the Clippers. I'll started two with the Clippers.

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Speaker 1: I was started too. Did you get the pick your number? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get I couldn't get twenty four until the next year.

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Speaker 1: You know, that was always my number. But when you

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Speaker 1: are the man that's coming late and you are the

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Speaker 1: end of the bench, you you'll take whatever number you get,

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Speaker 1: you know. But I believe Andre no Doug Overton was

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Speaker 1: twenty four. I think Andre Miller swimming for the next year.

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Speaker 1: So I couldn't wear twenty four until I got to Detroit.

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Speaker 1: First bucket was where Indiana. I had six seven point

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Speaker 1: six rebounds, So that was a blessing to at least

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Speaker 1: get on the board as your first you know, bringing

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Speaker 1: in your first game. So I was, all right, that's

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Speaker 1: just part one. I appreciate your time. Yeah, we will

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Speaker 1: do part two and we'll do all the other and

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Speaker 1: well we'll do the good ship. I appreciate you exactly. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, thanks do baby base. All right, that's part

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Speaker 1: one of my talk with with with with t folks,

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Speaker 1: Germaine folks. What an interesting dude, right, Like got hit

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Speaker 1: once in a big game in the leg and football

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Speaker 1: is like, nah, I'm a hoop And then chased it

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Speaker 1: to a bunch of different high schools, ended up at

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Speaker 1: Crenshaw and uh then at Cal what what a what

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Speaker 1: a roster? Right? Oh my god, what that roster they had.

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Speaker 1: I mean he played with shree fob door Raheim with

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Speaker 1: for a year, with Geelani Gardner, with Tony Gonzalez amazing

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Speaker 1: and then of course all those knuckleheads at at at

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Speaker 1: Fresno State. But wait, do you hear part two? Uh,

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Speaker 1: it will drop shortly. I'm Doug Gottlie. Make sure you

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Speaker 1: listen to the Doug Gotlip Show daily three to six Eastern,

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Speaker 1: twelve three Pacific. And this is all ball