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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori

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Speaker 1: with you our special guest tonight. Teresa Read, also known

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Speaker 1: as the Tarot Lady, has been a full time Tarot

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Speaker 1: card reader for close to thirty years. In addition to

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Speaker 1: doing private tarot readings, teaching tarot classes, and speaking at

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Speaker 1: tarot conferences when they had them, Teresa also runs a

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Speaker 1: very popular website called the Taro Lady dot com where

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Speaker 1: she gives out advice, inspiration, and tips for Tarot lovers

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Speaker 1: of all experienced levels. Teresa, Welcome to the program. Hi,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. I'm glad to

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Speaker 1: be here. I am fascinated by tarot cards. You must

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Speaker 1: have been too. How'd you get into this? Well, I

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Speaker 1: actually got into taro quite by accident. I was a

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Speaker 1: typical teenager trying to figure out who I was back

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Speaker 1: in the seventies and eighties, and a girlfriend's mother actually

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Speaker 1: did astrology and she read my alogy charts. So suddenly

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Speaker 1: I got into it because it made so much sense

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Speaker 1: to me at the time. And on one of these

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Speaker 1: very rare outings to the mall I was in the

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Speaker 1: bookstore and I was looking for an astrology book and

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Speaker 1: I saw a tarot deck and I had seen them

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Speaker 1: in the movies like most people, and I thought, on

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Speaker 1: a whim, I'm going to take this home with me,

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Speaker 1: and I fell in love with them. And I've had

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Speaker 1: a paro deck in my hands ever since then. And

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Speaker 1: that was forty years ago and it hasn't stopped since.

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Speaker 1: Says it. No. In fact, I have too many tarot

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Speaker 1: decks now. And the decks have how many cards in them? Generally?

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Speaker 1: Generally a traditional deck has seventy eight cards in them,

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Speaker 1: and there are newer decks where people might add extra cards,

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Speaker 1: but a traditional deck is always seventy eight cards. And

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Speaker 1: your new book just came out right, It just came

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Speaker 1: out about twenty four hours ago. That's great timing. See

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Speaker 1: the Tarot cards said you were going to be on

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Speaker 1: my show. Yes, they predicted. It's difficult for you to

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Speaker 1: read tarot cards that somebody have to teach you. Well

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Speaker 1: back in the day. I remember this is way before

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Speaker 1: the Internet, and I grew up in a rural area,

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Speaker 1: so there was no there was nothing. I didn't have

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Speaker 1: of books. There was really no way to study, so

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Speaker 1: I was pretty much on my own, and so learning

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Speaker 1: in the beginning was challenging because of the lack of

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Speaker 1: access and also the first Tarot deck I picked up,

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Speaker 1: which was the only deck in the store, was the

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Speaker 1: Marcia's deck, which is actually an incredibly difficult deck to

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Speaker 1: if you are picking it up under those circumstances. The

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Speaker 1: second deck I got was the right Away Smith deck,

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Speaker 1: which is the deck is still used to this day.

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Speaker 1: But that one spoke to me a lot more clearly

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Speaker 1: like it does for most people, because the pips are illustrated,

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Speaker 1: so it is an easier deck to read with. But

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Speaker 1: I started out the hardest way possible. And where did

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Speaker 1: you grow up? I grew up in Wisconsin. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: in a rural area. It's no longer very rural though

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Speaker 1: How much of the Charol cards are your interpretation of

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Speaker 1: what you pull? Well, here's how I like to explain it.

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Speaker 1: When you're learning tarol, there are traditional meanings that anybody

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Speaker 1: who wants to learn it should know those traditional meanings

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Speaker 1: because they form the foundation, and they also they are

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Speaker 1: like a springboard for your intuition, so they like a house,

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Speaker 1: it's a really good solid foundation. But your intuition is

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Speaker 1: what really creates like the decoration, it is what makes

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Speaker 1: I would say fifty fifty. You have to have the knowledge,

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Speaker 1: you have to understand what those cards mean, and you

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Speaker 1: also have to have the ability to kind of intuit, well,

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Speaker 1: how are these cards going together? What does it mean

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Speaker 1: for this particular person. For example, if you and I

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Speaker 1: both had Tarot readings and we both had the exact

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Speaker 1: same cards in the exact same positions, it's still going

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Speaker 1: to mean something very different for you than it does

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Speaker 1: this might mean for you versus me. Could one be good,

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Speaker 1: I got the Sun, which, by the way, is my

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Speaker 1: But there's always a shadow side to the every card.

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Speaker 1: So the shadow side of the Sun could be overly optimistic,

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Speaker 1: can build something new. So you have to really be

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Speaker 1: able to look a see what does this card again

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Speaker 1: sometimes the scary cards aren't really scary. They're actually a

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Speaker 1: good thing to see. They're a welcome ally in your life.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, like the death card is

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Speaker 1: kind of freaky, isn't it. The death card gets a

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Speaker 1: very bad reputation that I blame it all on the

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Speaker 1: popular media. You know, every movie they'll have like the

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Speaker 1: reader pulls out the death card and they speak very

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Speaker 1: ominously like oh my god, you know you're going to die,

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Speaker 1: mister Bond. And that's not what the death card is about.

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Speaker 1: The death card actually symbolizes a time where things in

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Speaker 1: your life are transforming. Some things are going by the wayside,

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Speaker 1: there's something new on the horizon. It's a card that

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Speaker 1: signifies a massive and very important change in your life.

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Speaker 1: Now the death card exactly trying to refresh my memory, Theresa,

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Speaker 1: what does it look like in the traditional rider way

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Speaker 1: sun rising in the background. And he's in armor too, right,

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Speaker 1: he's in armor. Yeah, he's wearing black armor. And there's

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Speaker 1: he's dead. There is a pope that is begging. There's

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Speaker 1: See now, who wouldn't find that freaky? Well, a terror reader, doesn't,

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Speaker 1: it as something is coming to an end, out with

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Speaker 1: who's new to terror, it could be a very fearsome image.

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Speaker 1: Just like again, like the Tower card is a very

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Speaker 1: I stopped actually doing face to face readings a couple

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Speaker 1: I don't like zoom. I do it strictly of the phone,

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Speaker 1: in person readings to be quite distracting. When I used

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Speaker 1: one laying off the cards and looking at that interesting?

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Speaker 1: Will you ever go back to win person readings ever? Never?

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Speaker 1: That's all No, no, no, no, no, no, it's just

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Speaker 1: you know, not just because of the COVID. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's just not safe, and so I prefer I feel

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Speaker 1: be with us until the end of time. No, we'll

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Speaker 1: be back to doing these readings, will get in person.

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Speaker 1: In fact, there's a lot of readers who are still

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Speaker 1: them have plexiglass between them and the client. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: sure is. Do you know Art Rose and Garden. He

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Speaker 1: is a colleague of mine. I do not know him

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Speaker 1: that quite knowledgeable. Yeah, it is. If you had a

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Speaker 1: Would they all come up with ten different readings if

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Speaker 1: You know, they may still get they may still come

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Speaker 1: see something that the other readers not seeing. So there's

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Speaker 1: definitely going to be some variation, you know. And I

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Speaker 1: you've got to develop your own Taro voice. I mean,

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Speaker 1: being like a Taro automaton. And I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: always say, okay, listen, here's some meanings, but please look

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Speaker 1: the story that's unfolding, and tell it in your own voice.

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Speaker 1: individual you mean, like world events? Yes? Oh yeah. If

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Speaker 1: there are always the other side. The losing side wants

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Speaker 1: a reading on the They're assuming that their life is

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Speaker 1: to go on. Every single time, I always get these

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Speaker 1: readings after an election where, I mean, you wouldn't believe it.

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Speaker 1: It's really kind of funny. Actually, it's like, no, your

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Speaker 1: life is going to go on. You're gonna be fine.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to maybe adjust a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: you'll be fine. Will Carol predict things? Carol can predict things,

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Speaker 1: But prediction isn't a perfect science. I like to say

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Speaker 1: that the cards, you know, always tell the truth, but

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Speaker 1: sometimes readers can be inaccurate in their delivery, like you

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Speaker 1: might have misinterpreted something. But yes, they can, they can predict.

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Speaker 1: And I mean I've had many many instances in my

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Speaker 1: where they predicted things, and it's been very helpful. Theresa,

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Speaker 1: would you say that you're psychic? People are funny about

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Speaker 1: the word psychic, le Let's just talk about that. As

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Speaker 1: soon as you say psychic people have a misperception of it.

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Speaker 1: this show, believe me. But yeah, your show is like

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