Speaker 1: We saw thousands of pro life Americans gather in our
Speaker 1: nation's capital for the annual March for Life. This comes
Speaker 1: as we are approaching the anniversary of Rovers Wade, and
Speaker 1: we know that Democrats are going to make abortion a
Speaker 1: big issue heading into the presidential election. We saw them
Speaker 1: do it successfully to some degree in the midterm elections.
Speaker 1: So we have to figure out a way as Republicans
Speaker 1: to go on the offense to talk about being pro
Speaker 1: life proudly. I want you to take a listen to
Speaker 1: this interview.
Speaker 2: Why do you not see rape and incest as areas
Speaker 2: for potential carve outs even if you are.
Speaker 3: Pro life first?
Speaker 4: I think both of those instances are horrifying, and fortunately
Speaker 4: they're extremely rare. It happens, and anytime it happens, it's horrifying.
Speaker 3: It's a tragedy.
Speaker 4: But I personally and honestly and deeply believe that all
Speaker 4: human life is worthy of protection, irrespective of the circumstances
Speaker 4: in which that human life was created. So what we're
Speaker 4: faith in it so well, they can't say that it
Speaker 4: will be human life, what would it become?
Speaker 3: Then you're trying to.
Speaker 2: Become potential of it when it is an actual human being.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying what my position is on it that
Speaker 2: I am also a Catholic.
Speaker 3: What I'm telling you is.
Speaker 4: I can tell you this, No, I can tell you this,
Speaker 4: that every single one of us started at that same stage.
Speaker 4: That it can't become anything other than a human. But
Speaker 4: it is about and that scien. It's neither up to
Speaker 4: you nor I know any politicians to decide that we're
Speaker 4: going to allow this life to move forward.
Speaker 3: In this life, not to.
Speaker 1: That Senator Mark Rubio from years ago in an interview
Speaker 1: with CNN. I think it's one of the best interviews
Speaker 1: I've heard to date of someone proudly standing for their
Speaker 1: pro life views. So we're going to have Senator Mark
Speaker 1: Rubio on the show today to talk to him about
Speaker 1: how should Republicans message on this issue, What should the
Speaker 1: message be heading into the presidential election. We're also going
Speaker 1: to get his take on all things foreign policy. As
Speaker 1: instability continues to increase in the Middle East, particularly as
Speaker 1: we see Pakistan and Iran conducting strikes on each other,
Speaker 1: Why are they doing that? How concerned should you be?
Speaker 1: We'll also talk about China, Iran, and Russia growing closer
Speaker 1: under President Biden. What does that mean for our future
Speaker 1: in the future of the world. He recently endorsed President Trump,
Speaker 1: so we'll talk to him about why he decided to
Speaker 1: do that and what he's looking for this presidential election.
Speaker 1: So all of that and so much more with Senator
Speaker 1: Mark Rubio from my home state of Florida. Stay tuned.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: Senator Mark Rubio, it's awesome to have you on the show,
Speaker 1: particularly as a well I've been in Florida for I
Speaker 1: guess three and a half years, so a newer Florida,
Speaker 1: and so it's great to have my home state senator
Speaker 1: on the show. So appreciate you making the time.
Speaker 3: I'm glad to do it.
Speaker 1: We were talking before we got started about how I've
Speaker 1: gotten really soft with the weather. We've we've had a
Speaker 1: cold front here in Miami and you know, it's like
Speaker 1: sixty degrees now, I put a turtleneck on, so I.
Speaker 4: Know, I know it's you know, every now and then
Speaker 4: we'll get like one of these weird things that come
Speaker 4: down and I'll get to like the twenties or the thirties,
Speaker 4: but it's very rare, but you will, yeah, fifty or whatever.
Speaker 4: It's you know, people start like bringing out for coats
Speaker 4: and you know, thermal underwear and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: It isn't cold until the iguanas.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've seen that phenomena yet, but
Speaker 4: at a certain temperature, like iguanas fall out of the
Speaker 4: trees because they're cold.
Speaker 3: Blooded and they can't regulate. And I don't know, have you
Speaker 3: seen that yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I read an article and it said that, I
Speaker 1: guess there's been stories where people have collected them and
Speaker 1: like put them in their cars and then they've woken
Speaker 1: up and like attacked or something.
Speaker 3: So they wake up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So leave the iguanas alone. Important lesson. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: well we'll get into the bigger news, you know, outside
Speaker 1: of an iguana's you know center. We're coming up on
Speaker 1: the anniversary of Roe versus Wade. You know, I rewatched
Speaker 1: your CNN interview on abortion. I think it was from
Speaker 1: like eight years ago before this morning, you know, before
Speaker 1: interviewing you. I think it was one of the best
Speaker 1: interviews I've seen from a Republican to date on the issue.
Speaker 1: Why why do you think Republicans struggle so much on
Speaker 1: talking about pro life and talking about this issue?
Speaker 4: Well, I think in general, anytime you're on defense, you're losing,
Speaker 4: and a lot of times, you know, I always go
Speaker 4: to people and say, all right, well.
Speaker 3: There's two things that we need to point to.
Speaker 4: The first is that if you don't believe that, if
Speaker 4: you's believe that abortion should be legal, then what restrictions
Speaker 4: would you agree to? No one ever asked that question.
Speaker 4: The media doesn't ask that question, and most Democrats are
Speaker 4: never asked a question of what restrictions would you support?
Speaker 4: Because they love to talk about total ban, six week bands,
Speaker 4: fifteen week bands. What they won't tell you is that
Speaker 4: in order to get the endorsement of all of these
Speaker 4: pro abortion groups, you have to basically be for abortion
Speaker 4: at any time, for any reason, paid for by taxpayers.
Speaker 3: I mean that in essence is the position of these groups.
Speaker 4: And you can't get the endorsement of any of these
Speaker 4: probortion groups if you don't say that stuff.
Speaker 3: And no one ever.
Speaker 4: Challenges these people on that, will they at least agree
Speaker 4: on a restriction of some kind because the overwhelming majority
Speaker 4: of Americans, even those who say the support abortion rights,
Speaker 4: will say, but there's got there's some right you can't
Speaker 4: do it like the day before the do date or
Speaker 4: eight months or what have you.
Speaker 3: So, I think the first part about it is that,
Speaker 3: and I think the second challenge.
Speaker 4: That we face is, Look, this is not about passing
Speaker 4: judgment on anyone.
Speaker 3: This is not about trying to impose anything on anyone.
Speaker 4: This is a pretty straightforward choice. And that is we've
Speaker 4: got a complicated issue here. You have, oftentimes in a
Speaker 4: very difficult circumstances that a woman is facing, and then
Speaker 4: you've got the fundamental right to live, and you've got
Speaker 4: to balance and decide, Okay, when these two things are
Speaker 4: in conflict, which one of these two rights wins out.
Speaker 4: And I don't have any shame in saying that, I
Speaker 4: think the right to live needs to win out. Now,
Speaker 4: in addition to that, I think we have to understand
Speaker 4: that when it comes to abortion, the pro choice people
Speaker 4: are actually not pro choice because what they are basically
Speaker 4: arguing is that for most people, abortion is the only
Speaker 4: choice that they're presented, and oftentimes by making it look
Speaker 4: like or making it sound like, or making it, you know,
Speaker 4: creating the scenario where a child to somehow a burden,
Speaker 4: somehow a terrible thing that's happening. And so I do
Speaker 4: think those of us who are pro life, it's incumbent
Speaker 4: upon us to say, not only do we think you
Speaker 4: have a right to choose not to have an abortion,
Speaker 4: but we need to recognize that no child should ever
Speaker 4: be considered a burden, should be considered a bad situation,
Speaker 4: and we need to be supportive of people who find
Speaker 4: themselves in those circumstances. You know, what can we do
Speaker 4: to ensure that these men that are fathering children are
Speaker 4: living up to their responsibility on child support and not
Speaker 4: just taking off? You know, what are we doing if
Speaker 4: a young woman is in college and wants to finish
Speaker 4: your schooling?
Speaker 3: To be supportive.
Speaker 4: We need to be supportive of people not just when
Speaker 4: they decide not to have an abortion, but also all
Speaker 4: the things that come with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I loved how, you know, because he
Speaker 1: was basically saying arguing about when life begins and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: what do you think it turns into a cat? You know,
Speaker 1: it's like it seems like such common sense, yet we
Speaker 1: have found ourselves in this strange, you know, conversation about
Speaker 1: what is a life? And you know, it used to
Speaker 1: be safe, legal and rare, and now it's like up
Speaker 1: until the moment of birth, maybe even you know, it's like,
Speaker 1: how did we get here? You know, how did the
Speaker 1: left get here?
Speaker 5: More specifically, Well, I think part of it too is
Speaker 5: that in order to justify something like this, you have
Speaker 5: to It's what all atrocities and terrible things are based on,
Speaker 5: and that is dehumanization, right.
Speaker 4: You have to convince people that the life and who's
Speaker 4: being impacted is that actually not human or not fully human?
Speaker 4: And so I think that's the argument that's used.
Speaker 3: By a lot of these geops.
Speaker 4: So that's not really a human being, that's just a
Speaker 4: clump of cells, that's an embryo, that's a fetus, but
Speaker 4: it's not a human being. And I think the point
Speaker 4: I was making is that's the only thing that that
Speaker 4: can ultimately become. And then their argument as well, but
Speaker 4: they can't survive on their own. And so while there
Speaker 4: are a lot of people who are outside the womb
Speaker 4: that could not survive on their own.
Speaker 3: Infants cannot survive on their own, Many.
Speaker 4: People who unfortunately face disabilities and other serious setbacks, cannot
Speaker 4: survive on their own without helping assistance. Are they less
Speaker 4: than alive? Are we prepared to say that's not a life?
Speaker 4: So there's a huge slippery slope there as well. But
Speaker 4: ultimately it comes down to in order to justify something
Speaker 4: like this, you have to be able to argue that
Speaker 4: that's not human life, and that's something that needs to
Speaker 4: be called out as well. That's exactly what it is,
Speaker 4: a development, no matter what stage of development they're in. Look,
Speaker 4: it's a tough issue. I get it, because I mean,
Speaker 4: the circumstances oftentimes that are faced by people are very
Speaker 4: difficult ones. You shouldn't pretend that these are easy choices,
Speaker 4: but we have to get people real choices, including the
Speaker 4: choice of carrying a child without having seem or feel
Speaker 4: like a burden, which is what oftentimes people are being
Speaker 4: told that this is going to be an enormous burden,
Speaker 4: it's going to ruin your life, and we need to
Speaker 4: change that dynamic.
Speaker 1: You know, I think you really nailed it about the dehumanization,
Speaker 1: which is why they call it a clump of cells.
Speaker 1: If you sort of detached the human aspect of it,
Speaker 1: then it's easier to go through with one you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh absolutely. You know Democrats have obviously made this a
Speaker 1: big issue during the midterms. You know, they did that
Speaker 1: with the leak of the Dobbs opinion as well. Draft
Speaker 1: as well as the Supreme Court's decision really galvanized young
Speaker 1: people women to turn out. We're already seeing Democrats gear
Speaker 1: up on this issue. You know. They launched a website
Speaker 1: targeting Republicans, you know, heading into Row versus Wade anniversary.
Speaker 1: They've also been successful in getting ballot measures here in Florida.
Speaker 1: It'll be on the ballot in twenty twenty four. They
Speaker 1: were successful in Ohio last November. How do you think
Speaker 1: this issue will shape the presidential election?
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: To me, it's a tough one to analyze politically because
Speaker 4: I've never viewed this as a political issue.
Speaker 3: I said this before, and I really believe it.
Speaker 4: I think it's such a fundamental core issue that I'd
Speaker 4: rather be right on abortion and lose than be wrong
Speaker 4: on it and win, because I just think it's that
Speaker 4: fundamental of an issue in terms of protecting human life
Speaker 4: and where it's going to lead us as a society.
Speaker 3: Ultimately.
Speaker 4: I think it's clear that there are a lot of
Speaker 4: people that are uncomfortable with government telling them what to do.
Speaker 4: In general, they were uncomfortable when government was telling them
Speaker 4: what to do to the pandemic, and in a situation
Speaker 4: like this, they're uncomfortable as well. But when you're playing defense,
Speaker 4: when you're allowing your opponents to portray this as people
Speaker 4: wanting to tell people what to do with their bodies,
Speaker 4: that's not the way I view it. I do not
Speaker 4: go into the saying, how can I control the decisions
Speaker 4: people make, women make, and so forth about pregnancies. What
Speaker 4: I go into the saying is we have an obligation
Speaker 4: to protect human life. I view it from the lens
Speaker 4: and the perspective of the unborn human being, not the
Speaker 4: perspective of controlling people. So I think that part of
Speaker 4: the dynamic is explaining to people that if they don't
Speaker 4: want a six week man or they don't want a
Speaker 4: fifteen week or twenty one or whatever it is, what
Speaker 4: restrictions would they support, Because they will never tell you.
Speaker 3: What restrictions they support. They never will say it.
Speaker 4: And there's a reason why, and that is that the
Speaker 4: official position of the left, and they're never called out
Speaker 4: on it, is abortion on demand for any reason, and
Speaker 4: frank and paid for by taxpayers.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break more with Center or
Speaker 1: Reveal on the other side before we move on. Should
Speaker 1: Republicans have a unified message on this, and if so,
Speaker 1: what should it be.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if something like this you can
Speaker 3: have a unified mession.
Speaker 4: The truth of the matter is that you have people
Speaker 4: that have different This is not an issue that's from
Speaker 4: a political standpoint black and white.
Speaker 3: There are people that are in favor of a fifteen.
Speaker 4: Week ban or twenty one week or whatever it may be,
Speaker 4: or a band but with exceptions. So there's a wide
Speaker 4: variety of flavors here and viewpoints. And if you want
Speaker 4: to be a majority party of people that agree on
Speaker 4: a bunch of stuff but maybe have some differences of
Speaker 4: opinion as to how far these restrictions should go, then
Speaker 4: you've got to accommodate that.
Speaker 3: So don't know if we'll ever have a unified message.
Speaker 4: What I think we should be unified in is to
Speaker 4: unapologetically say, ultimately, look, abortion is not a good thing.
Speaker 4: Whether your pro life or protrays, we should agree that
Speaker 4: abortions are not therapeutic, they are not a good thing.
Speaker 4: They are not a cost for celebration, and irrespective of
Speaker 4: how you view it, we should all recognize that it
Speaker 4: is a tragic thing. And I think we should also
Speaker 4: recognize that we're talking about here is the choice between
Speaker 4: protecting an unborn human life and the right of people
Speaker 4: of women to control what happens with their body. And
Speaker 4: that's the choice we're trying to make here and to
Speaker 4: balance that, and that I think is something. And the
Speaker 4: third thing we should be unified in is, no matter
Speaker 4: how you feel about abortion specific abortion restrictions, there has
Speaker 4: to be some restrict there has to be some limitation. Right,
Speaker 4: We're not otherwise we're dealing with in fanticide. What is
Speaker 4: that limitation? We should all be unified in at least
Speaker 4: demanding that those who are against us detail what it
Speaker 4: is they would support as far as the limitation. And
Speaker 4: we don't do that enough. We never challenge or point
Speaker 4: to the media and say, you know, all answer your
Speaker 4: questions on this when you ask them what they're what
Speaker 4: they're in favor of, what restriction they would support, because
Speaker 4: they won't support any restriction.
Speaker 3: They will never tell you what restriction they're for.
Speaker 1: You know, Senator, I want to move on to foreign policy.
Speaker 1: I know it's a you know, you're very passionate about it,
Speaker 1: and I want to we want to hear from you
Speaker 1: on a bunch of these different issues. You know, turning
Speaker 1: to the war in the Middle East. You know, President
Speaker 1: Biden is redesignated or is going to redesignate Yemen's or
Speaker 1: on back who THEES is a terrorist group? He removed
Speaker 1: them three years ago from the Foreign Terrorist Organization's list.
Speaker 1: Why did he do that in the first place, and
Speaker 1: what does that tell you about this administration's foreign policy.
Speaker 4: Well, there's a line of thinking in American politics that
Speaker 4: was clear in the Obama years. I think there's holdovers
Speaker 4: of that in the Biden years as well, and generally
Speaker 4: along the West, and that is that America is generally
Speaker 4: always wrong.
Speaker 3: America is bad.
Speaker 4: America is a source of problems in the world, and
Speaker 4: so we need to be apologetic about it, and we
Speaker 4: need to be accommodating. And so this idea that somehow,
Speaker 4: you know, if we're just nicer, if we would just
Speaker 4: admit that we've made mistakes, if we would just try
Speaker 4: to create space and accommodate enemies and people who have
Speaker 4: fundamentally different views of what they want the world to
Speaker 4: look like, that they're going to like us more and
Speaker 4: they're going to behave better And I think that was
Speaker 4: part of the and I think the other part of it,
Speaker 4: frankly is the Biden administration went in with a very
Speaker 4: clear mandate that is, whatever Trump was for, we need
Speaker 4: to be against. Even if it made sense if he
Speaker 4: did it, we have to be the opposite of it.
Speaker 4: So I think it really begins with that. And so
Speaker 4: they've made these decisions. It's project weakness and so, but
Speaker 4: we live in the real world, not governed by people
Speaker 4: that have these sort of guilt trips, but rather by
Speaker 4: people that are interested in that are focused on their
Speaker 4: national interest and ambitions, and they're going to act in
Speaker 4: their national interests and in furtherance of their ambitions, whether
Speaker 4: it's the Hussies or Iran, North Korea, or Vladimir Putin
Speaker 4: and especially the Chinese.
Speaker 3: They don't care about all this other stuff.
Speaker 4: They're not interested, and they don't care about public opinion
Speaker 4: or being popular at Davos. And what they care about
Speaker 4: is what is in the interest of our country or
Speaker 4: our movement, and we're going to do whatever it takes
Speaker 4: to further that.
Speaker 3: And so we hit that reality. And so, yeah, the
Speaker 3: whusis this is basically a band.
Speaker 4: Of pirates who now have pretty sophisticated weapons provided to
Speaker 4: them by Iran, and they now have the ability to
Speaker 4: target commercial shipping, which poses the risk now of inflating
Speaker 4: prices all over the world and disrupting the flow of
Speaker 4: energy and the like. And it's interesting, you know, we
Speaker 4: are conducting military operations against the who's these because they're
Speaker 4: threatened to blow up oil tankers. But I thought the
Speaker 4: Biden administration said we don't really need oil anymore.
Speaker 3: We should now rely on renewables.
Speaker 4: So, you know, I don't know why they are basically
Speaker 4: protecting sources of global energy that they say are bad
Speaker 4: for the world and that we don't need any more of.
Speaker 4: So it just points to the hypocrisy of they know
Speaker 4: we need more energy. That's why that's one of the
Speaker 4: reasons why we're involved in protecting those shipping lengths, because
Speaker 4: of what it would mean to world energy prices. But
Speaker 4: I think this projection of weakness is an invitation for aggression.
Speaker 4: It always has been. That's human nature. That's been true
Speaker 4: throughout the fifty five hundred years of recorded history. And
Speaker 4: then we're seeing it again now.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, and we're seeing a lot of aggression
Speaker 1: in the Middle East. I mean, we've got Israel rightfully
Speaker 1: waging a war against hamas after you know, those atrocities,
Speaker 1: the terror attacks. Now we've got Pakistan at Iran conducting
Speaker 1: strikes on each other in an unprecedented way. Why is
Speaker 1: that happening and what are you watching for between those
Speaker 1: two countries and what are the concerns that this could
Speaker 1: spill out to a broader regional war.
Speaker 4: Well, that's going to be a long It's kind of complicated.
Speaker 4: First of all, it is ironic. You know that Iran
Speaker 4: had an attack conducted inside of Iran out of ceremony,
Speaker 4: to a remembrance of the criminal solomony, and it was
Speaker 4: conducted by ISIS.
Speaker 3: So now Iran is.
Speaker 4: Striking ISIS inside of Syria or Iraq and also in
Speaker 4: places where they might be hiding out in Pakistan.
Speaker 3: So we are all to enemies of ISIS, you know.
Speaker 3: And we have troops a.
Speaker 4: Small number that remain in Iraq and in Syria to
Speaker 4: prevent a resurgence of ISIS.
Speaker 3: But the groups that are on supports.
Speaker 4: In those countries are attacking those troops that are there
Speaker 4: attacking ISIS, while ISIS is attacking Iran, and Iran is
Speaker 4: attacking ISIS back. So it is a complicated mess of
Speaker 4: a situation in our hands. And the other thing that
Speaker 4: I think is really eventful this week is a bunch
Speaker 4: of people on the left going crazy because Nanyahu said, oh, we're.
Speaker 3: Not going to have a Palestinian state after this is over.
Speaker 4: Look in a perfect world, in an ideal world, there
Speaker 4: would be an accommodation of some sort. I think that
Speaker 4: was and it's been something Israel's attempted multiple times. Here's
Speaker 4: the reality. Who would govern a Palestinian state? Because right now,
Speaker 4: the two groups that claim to speak for Palestinians, the
Speaker 4: Palestinian authority in Juday and Samaria and Hamas and Godza,
Speaker 4: are both groups that teach little children that Jews are
Speaker 4: evil and that killing them is glorious. And in the
Speaker 4: case of Hamas, we've just seen the terrorist attacks they
Speaker 4: can inducted. So how could any nation possibly be asked
Speaker 4: to endorse the creation of a neighboring state that will
Speaker 4: be governed by people who want to kill them as
Speaker 4: their open stated goal. That is an unrealistic expectation.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: Maybe one hundred years from now, maybe fifty years from now,
Speaker 4: the conditions.
Speaker 3: Will be different, but right now it is unrealistic.
Speaker 4: Frankly, it is reckless to talk about turning over territory
Speaker 4: and standing up a nation state governed by people that
Speaker 4: want to kill you. No nation on earth would do that.
Speaker 4: And so I don't know what's so controversial about Nanya
Speaker 4: who's saying that, as far as the broader conflict is concerned, yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Could spire pretty quickly.
Speaker 4: And part of it is there is no deterrence that
Speaker 4: the Iranians are not in any way worried, because even
Speaker 4: as Joe Biden is responding by some of these missile
Speaker 4: attacks against these Iranian backed groups, really Iranian agents who
Speaker 4: are attacking the US, we.
Speaker 3: Still have people trying to cut a deal with Iran.
Speaker 4: We still have people trying to meet with them and
Speaker 4: talk to them about how can we do a deal
Speaker 4: and bring back the.
Speaker 3: Obama's Iran deal.
Speaker 4: So I think they view this as this is a
Speaker 4: country so desperate for peace that we can basically go
Speaker 4: as far as we want and not really face consequences
Speaker 4: because they're so desperate to cut a deal here. And
Speaker 4: so I think their version of what the red line
Speaker 4: is is much further than what most Americans think it is.
Speaker 4: And the threat here is we get sucked into another
Speaker 4: regional conflict even though we don't want one, and.
Speaker 3: That's the reality.
Speaker 4: We now face two global wars, both of which are
Speaker 4: putting strain on our country, and the threat of a
Speaker 4: third one potentially with Taiwan and China. So it's it's
Speaker 4: a complicated time, but the projectional weakness from this administration
Speaker 4: has definitely contributed.
Speaker 1: To it well. And one thing that's concerning is, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a morning Console poll that saw the ar show
Speaker 1: that support for Israel globally has dropped pretty significantly. We
Speaker 1: know that there's politics in play here, you know, a
Speaker 1: very divided Democrat party on this issue. We're seeing pro
Speaker 1: Palestinian rallies in the United States, which you know are
Speaker 1: really pro Homas rallies, if you know, you want to
Speaker 1: be honest. The rise of anti Semitism, this hatred of
Speaker 1: the United States as well. You know, how do we
Speaker 1: get to this point where there are so many people
Speaker 1: on the left and you know, that hate the United States,
Speaker 1: that hate Israel, that you know, hate things that are righteous.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think there's three things happening that we need to
Speaker 4: point to. The first is anti Semitism. It is an
Speaker 4: ancient poison. It affects a lot of societies, and Israel
Speaker 4: is a Jewish state, and so first and foremost, I
Speaker 4: think that underlines a lot of this. I think the
Speaker 4: second is anti Western in essence. Israel is a Western culture, culture,
Speaker 4: and country or democracy, and so I think there's this
Speaker 4: idea that anything that's Western is evil and bad and
Speaker 4: all of this third supported.
Speaker 3: By a global media, global elites, global.
Speaker 4: Corporate entities, international organisms who are all aligned in the
Speaker 4: narrative right, and the narrative is, yes, it is terrible
Speaker 4: what happened to the Israelis, but they kind of deserved it,
Speaker 4: right because they've been killing Palestine's for a long time,
Speaker 4: and what they're doing now is way overboard, It goes
Speaker 4: way too far, what.
Speaker 3: They're doing now.
Speaker 4: These are the same people, by the way, that don't
Speaker 4: dare speak a word about the fact that the Chinese
Speaker 4: take Wiger Muslims and put them in work camps and
Speaker 4: concentration camps and committing genocide.
Speaker 3: They don't. There's no talk of that. There's no talk
Speaker 3: of the horrible.
Speaker 4: Atrocities that are committed by the Iranian regime or anybody else,
Speaker 4: very little discussion about it. So I think we need
Speaker 4: to recognize that there is this anti Semitic, anti Western
Speaker 4: movement in the world that finds its home in the
Speaker 4: Marxist left, and that frankly, you know our fellow travelers
Speaker 4: on this stuff. It's not a surprise that these anti
Speaker 4: Western elements that have been telling people forever America is
Speaker 4: evil because Europeans in the Western culture is evil and
Speaker 4: are the same ones that are now out there, you know,
Speaker 4: fomenting this pro Hamas anti Israel position in our domestic politics.
Speaker 1: Quick break, have so much more to ask, Senator Rubio.
Speaker 1: You had mentioned Taiwan and China. You know, one thing
Speaker 1: that we've seen happen under this administration is China, Iran,
Speaker 1: and Russia have all grown closer under Biden's watch. You
Speaker 1: know what does that mean for our future as a
Speaker 1: country and also for the future of the world.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's probably.
Speaker 4: The single biggest geopolitical development of the last two or
Speaker 4: three years, and that is this.
Speaker 3: Growing It's not an alliance like a NATO.
Speaker 4: It is a confederation of countries who have different specific
Speaker 4: ambitions but share a common goal, and that is that
Speaker 4: they want the world to a world in which America
Speaker 4: and its allies are less influential and they are more influential.
Speaker 4: China obviously is the head of that, but the Russians
Speaker 4: have folded in underneath it, the North Koreans have seen
Speaker 4: benefiting it, the Iranians.
Speaker 3: As well, and a host of other countries.
Speaker 4: Some you know, to varying degrees, who would want to
Speaker 4: see a world that is less in which America and
Speaker 4: our allies are less relevant, less powerful, less influential, and
Speaker 4: they have more influence and more power. And that's the
Speaker 4: movement that we now see and developing, and so under Biden,
Speaker 4: they see the perfect opportunity, right because they see someone
Speaker 4: who projects weakness, both personally and also in our decisions
Speaker 4: we're making. You know, when you are out there basically
Speaker 4: on your knees begging to do a deal with Iran,
Speaker 4: you're projecting weakness.
Speaker 3: You're projecting the desperate desire to accommodate them at any costs.
Speaker 4: And for people who have tyrannical views that, you know,
Speaker 4: it's so hard for us because we have been raised
Speaker 4: I think that anyone can sit down and work anything out.
Speaker 4: If you just talk through it, we can work anything out.
Speaker 4: That we have forgotten a fundamental lesson in history is
Speaker 4: that sometimes you can't work things out. You know, sometimes
Speaker 4: whether it was Napoleon, whether it was Hitler, whether it
Speaker 4: was Ussolini in North Africa, whether throughout history, there's the
Speaker 4: reality that there are ambition, national ambitions, and national interests,
Speaker 4: and that the leaders of those societies, those cultures, in
Speaker 4: those countries will pursue them and there is no accommodation
Speaker 4: with them. And so the only language they understand is
Speaker 4: deterrence and strength. And it isn't just the threat of war.
Speaker 4: It is the commitment, you know, the attitudinal approach to it.
Speaker 4: It's one of the things that I think really helped Trump.
Speaker 4: For all the criticism we used to get, I think
Speaker 4: there was a perception that we don't know what this
Speaker 4: guy's going to do, but it's not good for us.
Speaker 3: I promise you I can tell you this. When Solomon
Speaker 3: he was.
Speaker 4: Struck, it had the Iranians complained, they threatened, they did
Speaker 4: their press conferences, they launched a few rockets. But you know,
Speaker 4: the next guy, nobody knows who the next guy, and
Speaker 4: nobody he's the next leader of the IRGC is not
Speaker 4: nearly as famous. You know why, because he didn't want
Speaker 4: to be identified as the next leader.
Speaker 3: Could be him.
Speaker 4: It influenced their actions because they honestly believed that there
Speaker 4: was somebody in the presidency who might actually do things,
Speaker 4: not just do some press conference and talk about international norms.
Speaker 4: So you know that I think has been a real
Speaker 4: big problem here is that Biden projects weakness, both in
Speaker 4: his actions and personally, and that's always dangerous for a
Speaker 4: country like ours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate your mentioning, you know, us being kind
Speaker 1: of naive and the way we perceive the rest of
Speaker 1: the world. I've interviewed Sean Parnell on here, you know,
Speaker 1: former Army ranger, American hero, and he said, even our friends,
Speaker 1: you know, we're behaving in like in medieval ways in
Speaker 1: afghan you know. So it's like, you know, we kind
Speaker 1: of are a little bit naive sometimes in thinking that
Speaker 1: everyone just you know, we can just work it out,
Speaker 1: or we can just give them money or whatever, and
Speaker 1: it's all going to be okay. You know, you mentioned
Speaker 1: Trump and foreign policy. I mean, he really, honestly probably
Speaker 1: was one of the better, if not one of the best,
Speaker 1: foreign policy presidents we've had. You've endorsed him, is that
Speaker 1: one of the reasons? And and what are you looking
Speaker 1: at heading into twenty twenty four?
Speaker 4: You know, I don't remember the last time that the
Speaker 4: majority of Americans felt like the country was heading in
Speaker 4: the right direction.
Speaker 3: I don't remember when that was.
Speaker 4: Certainly hasn't been in the lifetime with my four children,
Speaker 4: three of whom are no longer children, and they've never
Speaker 4: known a country which the majority felt we're head in
Speaker 4: the wrong direction. This country's broken, Our institutions are broken,
Speaker 4: our economy's broken. Yeah, the majority of Americans no longer
Speaker 4: believe this is a place where you can anyone has
Speaker 4: a chance to get ahead. You know, we've seen, we've
Speaker 4: we've turned our culture into the vulte. We celebrate the vulgar,
Speaker 4: the ridiculous, the obscene and absurd and so and then
Speaker 4: we're shocked that, you know, one and out of ten,
Speaker 4: over one out of ten men in America have a
Speaker 4: felony record. We life expectancy has collapsed because of suicides
Speaker 4: and overdoses. We have children fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years of
Speaker 4: age with high rates of mental illness and so forth
Speaker 4: winding up in our hospitals. There's so much broken in
Speaker 4: our country and our foreign policy. We now have two wars,
Speaker 4: as I said, and the threat of a third one
Speaker 4: with Taiwan. This is a big mess, and it's going
Speaker 4: to require big solutions. Big solutions are not easy because
Speaker 4: you're going to get resistance from special interests who are
Speaker 4: vested in the status quo. You're going to get resistance
Speaker 4: from the bureaucracy that will create every impediment imaginable to
Speaker 4: stop you from doing these things.
Speaker 3: You're going to get extraordinary.
Speaker 4: Criticism from all the so called experts and the columnists
Speaker 4: and commentators on television. They're going to call you all
Speaker 4: kinds of horrible things. So it takes a leader who
Speaker 4: doesn't care about those things, that breaks through all those
Speaker 4: things to actually do things. And I saw Trump do it.
Speaker 4: I saw it firsthand. For example, when we did the
Speaker 4: child tax credit, he had to take on the orthodoxy
Speaker 4: in the Republican Party on that and on trade for example,
Speaker 4: and didn't care when we did measures on Cuba and in Venezuela.
Speaker 3: The amount of complaints that he.
Speaker 4: Got from vested interests, in addition to the commentary class
Speaker 4: was extraordinary, and he plowed right through it.
Speaker 3: He never let the bureaucrats get in the way of
Speaker 3: taking action.
Speaker 4: We're going to need that, we're going to need to
Speaker 4: make this country has big problems that require big solutions,
Speaker 4: some of which are going to be hard and uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: Like what do you do with five or six million
Speaker 4: people that have entered this country just in the last
Speaker 4: three years and are here illegally. We are going to
Speaker 4: have to deport people, and we've never had to deport
Speaker 4: that many people, but we're going to have to do
Speaker 4: it or this is going to get worse and it's
Speaker 4: going to continue.
Speaker 3: That's not going to be easy. And so I think.
Speaker 4: That one of the things that one of the reason
Speaker 4: why we need Trump back in the wife is because
Speaker 4: I know he will do those things.
Speaker 3: He will not cow down to.
Speaker 4: The media pressure or the special interests, or the or
Speaker 4: the bureaucracy, whether it's on foreign policy or domestic and
Speaker 4: we are this is a time where we need some
Speaker 4: big changes before it's too late. And I just think
Speaker 4: he gives us the best chance to do it. He's
Speaker 4: done it before, and I believe he'll do it again.
Speaker 4: He's the right person at the right time to do that.
Speaker 1: You know, I agree with what you just said in
Speaker 1: the way you laid it out with the message there,
Speaker 1: and I think we went on the messaging. My concern
Speaker 1: is the mechanics. And you know, elections have really changed
Speaker 1: since COVID with mail and balloting, ballot harvesting. Do you
Speaker 1: think do you think we're doing enough at you know,
Speaker 1: the RNC, at the NRCC, at the n er SC
Speaker 1: to combat the Democrats mechanics of you know, getting ballots
Speaker 1: turned in.
Speaker 4: I think it depends on the state. You know, are
Speaker 4: in our country. Elections are conducted at a state by
Speaker 4: state basis. So you have some states that basically went
Speaker 4: all out and basically, I mean to not exaggerate here,
Speaker 4: but basically mailed ballots to everybody and said here's your ballot.
Speaker 4: And they didn't only make it easy to vote, they
Speaker 4: almost like, you know, stuck a ballot in your face
Speaker 4: and said here it is, go do it, do it.
Speaker 3: Now, do it here.
Speaker 4: And anytime you do something like that, especially you've never
Speaker 4: done it before, at a minimum, you're going to have
Speaker 4: problems and glitches, but you're also going to undermine public confidence.
Speaker 4: People are going to look at it and say, well,
Speaker 4: what you know, just simple simple things like the fact
Speaker 4: that you have in person voting going one way and
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, all these mail ballots come in.
Speaker 3: Even if they're all legitimate.
Speaker 4: For example, the REASONAB people are going to say, hold
Speaker 4: on a second, how can it be that all of
Speaker 4: a sudden distinct flipped overnight. It feels weird you undermining credibility.
Speaker 4: In other states. Frankly, there are no laws whatsoever, and
Speaker 4: you can show up on election that you can register
Speaker 4: right there, and then they do very little. They care
Speaker 4: very little about the integrity of the elections. I mean,
Speaker 4: so many people don't even want you to show an
Speaker 4: ID to vote. You can't even get on an airplane
Speaker 4: without an ID, for God's sake. But you can vote,
Speaker 4: you know, and determine the future of our country. So
Speaker 4: I think it really depends on a state by state
Speaker 4: basis which state we're talking about in which states we're
Speaker 4: dealing with here. But I do think you kind of
Speaker 4: reach a tipping point as well, where no matter what
Speaker 4: they do, and no matter how much they try to
Speaker 4: do on the margins, I think there are more than
Speaker 4: enough American voters who remember what life was like in
Speaker 4: this country before COVID, when Trump was in the White House,
Speaker 4: and they remember our economy was stronger, our nation was stronger,
Speaker 4: we didn't have wars going on all over the place
Speaker 4: we felt less threatened, and really the only controversy that
Speaker 4: was going on was that the media was going nuts
Speaker 4: about how much they hated Trump. That was the real controversy,
Speaker 4: domestically manufactured by them. And I think there are enough
Speaker 4: voters out there that recognize this. And then they look
Speaker 4: at Biden has been a colossal disaster and every cent
Speaker 4: from the border to the economy, everything costs more, Labor
Speaker 4: participation is flat, the borders out of control. We have
Speaker 4: two wars going on. The world feels, I'm certain, and unsafe.
Speaker 4: I think there are plenty of people out there that
Speaker 4: recognize that to more than make up for, you know,
Speaker 4: whatever's wrong in a handful.
Speaker 3: Of these states.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we do need to be more vigilant and
Speaker 4: call these things out and not be embarrassed to call
Speaker 4: out places where the integrity and the confidence in our
Speaker 4: elections are undermined by the actions of those who are
Speaker 4: in charge of running them.
Speaker 1: You know, hearing you lay all that out, it's like, man,
Speaker 1: I can't believe so much has changed for the worse
Speaker 1: and such a short period of time. You know, Senator
Speaker 1: you've been so gracious with your time today. I want
Speaker 1: to be respectful of your schedule. We just truly appreciate
Speaker 1: you taking the time to come on the show and
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks for having me on. I hope to
Speaker 3: come back one day, yep.
Speaker 1: And thank you for representing the great state of Florida.
Speaker 3: It's been a great honor to do it. I'll tell
Speaker 3: you what.
Speaker 4: I'm very proud of it our state and everything it's
Speaker 4: done and is doing. And like every state, like I
Speaker 4: wish our property insurance is a little lower, you know,
Speaker 4: I wish our auto insurance rates are a little lower.
Speaker 4: But I still wouldn't trade it for any of these
Speaker 4: other places, you know. I was at a CBS in Washington,
Speaker 4: d C. About a month ago. I don't know why
Speaker 4: I had to go in there. Iye drops them at
Speaker 4: nine o'clock at night, and these people just walking in
Speaker 4: and taking stuff out of the cooler where the drinks were,
Speaker 4: like if it was their home refrigerator, just walking out
Speaker 4: the door like it was just normal, just to steal
Speaker 4: from the CBS. And I felt terrible for the poor
Speaker 4: man the cashier who ended up telling me he was
Speaker 4: an immigrant from I believe Kenya, And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I can't do anything about it. I mean, as long
Speaker 4: as they don't have a weapon, they tell us not
Speaker 4: to call the police. I'm not saying that never happens
Speaker 4: in Florida, but boy, you don't see it like you
Speaker 4: do in these other places. I'm just glad I live
Speaker 4: in a normal place. I hope we can get back
Speaker 4: to living in a normal country.
Speaker 1: I do to a senator, so prayers for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: I hope people you know, wake up and turn out. Senator.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time, sir. I really
Speaker 1: appreciate it, enjoyed the conversation.
Speaker 3: I did as well. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: That was Senator Marco Rubio from the Great State of Florida.
Speaker 1: Really appreciate him giving us so much time. That was
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