WEBVTT - Hour 3 - Daniel Jeremiah (04-23-20) 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.520 You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.440 Sports Radio Final Hour on this Thursday, Dan and The 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:10.160 Danet's Dan Patrick Show. Thank you for allowing us to 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:12.600 be part of your lives. You can be watching, you 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:17.120 can be listening, emailing, tweeting, dial us up all the above. 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:19.840 Watch on YouTube dot com slash The Dan Patrick Show. 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:24.040 Also three hundred and sixty two radio affiliates around the 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:28.120 country proud to be representing you during this time period. 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.400 I just got an interesting email. This is Bob and 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:35.760 Tampa who just sent a really interesting email. If Roger 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:39.720 Goodell wants to improve his status with fans, he should 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.800 start the draft by anybody want to take a guess 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.720 on what he should do to start the draft, because 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:52.400 I think this is brilliant. Let me start with brilliance. Mclovin, 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:55.440 what do you think the commissioners should do? Like, are 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:59.880 you getting a booing himself or something like that? No, close, 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:06.560 Seaton O'Connor junior, the third oh man, What should he 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:13.559 do to start the draft? That would be brilliant? Um say, 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:19.760 when the season's going to start? Would that would be good? 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.280 But I don't think that that will happen. Paulie I 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.399 think this guy wrote this down. I think he thinks 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:27.440 Roger Goodell should be wearing a mask when he starts 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:31.200 the draft. A mask for safety, for a pretty protection. 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:36.880 Oh it's not like a gas masks, a shout out 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:40.080 to the healthcare workers of some sort. Okay, no, but 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.480 I like that if the commissioner wants to improve his 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.039 status with fans, he should start the draft by having 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:49.639 his own family boo him, so he can respond by saying, 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:55.040 really my own family. Because isn't there a booing portion 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.720 of the draft. Didn't the commissioner say that you can 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:02.280 boo him? Yes, McLeman, Yeah, there's some bud Lights sponsorship 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.280 every time you boo him online. But now you just 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:08.320 ruin it beats. If he doesn't now then it's well, 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.480 he's not gonna he's not gonna take my advice or 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:14.400 Bob's in Tampa's advice. I mean, he might take Bob's, 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.360 but not mine. If I said, you know, you could 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:21.240 add a little levity here. You start by welcome to 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.640 the twenty twenty virtual NFL Draft, and then you know 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.200 he's got twin daughters, and then they go like mo, 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:32.000 and then he goes, really my own family, and then 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:37.320 we start the draft. Alrighty, never mind, No, I like it? 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:40.799 What if tomin Ohio think tomin Ohio is our insider 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.320 and uh I can't go to him too often. I 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.320 went to him one time for a bomb show. Actually, 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:50.560 he came to me with the the trade possibility here 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.640 by the way, if you're the Redskin now I'm breaking 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:59.240 down tomin Ohio's trade proposal. If you're the Redskins, you 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.760 don't you don't want Odell Beckham Junior. You can get 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:07.000 Chase Young. Face. Young is a local guy. Seems like 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.959 he knows what's in store, got his head straight, got 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:14.560 his family there with him, and I would take him now. Granted, 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:18.840 Washington makes some mistakes a lot of mistakes, but you know, 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.640 if you're Cleveland and you could get Chase Young, I 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.919 know I'm breaking down a trade, but that is probably 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.880 really far fetched. All right. I'm a little desperate for content. 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.280 Maybe that's what it is. Eight seven seven three d 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.760 P Show Email address DPA dan Patrick dot com Twitter 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:37.160 handle with DP show Daniel Jeremiah great contributor to this 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.320 program and the NFL network. He's a former scout for 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.040 the Ravens, Browns and Eagles. And you can see him 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:46.480 tonight covering the draft ESPN NFL Network at ABC that 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:50.760 starts tonight at eight eastern. What is the craziest draft 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:55.520 rumor you have heard so far? Daniel? Oh, Well, i'd 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.120 heard this about a week ago. It actually ended up 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:00.720 being true because Glazer came out and reported it. But 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:04.240 was that Atlanta was trying like crazy to get up 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.480 to number two to get Chase Young, which would have 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:10.240 been so far to travel. I just couldn't conceive like 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:11.960 what you would have to give up to go all 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.360 the way up there. You're talking about several first round 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:18.159 picks and would have been a heck of a move there. Obviously, 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:19.720 I don't think it'd make any sense for the Redskins 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.120 to go back to sixteen, But that one was I 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.679 admired to metrov Hey, why not swing for the fences? 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.000 Can't say no if you don't ask, Well, I keep asking, 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:31.039 why isn't anybody trying to go after that? You know? 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.440 And maybe that second pick overall is so valuable and 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:36.719 it's going to cost you so much draft capital that 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.240 it's not worth going up. But if I said to you, 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:44.200 I can guarantee Chase Young is a pro Bowl defensive lineman, 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:49.400 edge rusher for ten years, or I will Garrow will 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:53.000 be a Pro Bowl quarterback three of those ten years. 0:04:53.560 --> 0:05:00.040 Who are you taking? That's a tough one, Dan, I 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.640 would probably I would actually still take the defensive end. 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:06.600 Oh I would too. I mean, I mean ten years 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.400 of elite production at the second most important position on 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:13.520 the field. Yeah, but it feels like we're we're we're 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.800 willing to roll the dice on too with everything. If 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:20.080 I had another player at another position, who I said, 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.840 he's had surgery on his ankles, he's had a hip 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:28.520 hip surgery, and maybe he broke his hand, But hey, 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:30.760 are you willing to invest a top five draft pick? 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:36.720 You wouldn't do that with anybody but a quarterback. Why Well, 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.120 I just think it speaks to what you what everybody 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:41.480 views as the importance of that position and the lottery 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.320 ticket it is if you can be the team to 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.600 keep this kid healthy. So I mean that to me 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:49.560 is all it is. It just comes down to the 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:51.760 position that you play. And when you look at the 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:55.159 teams that are historically picking up here, for the most part, 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.520 they don't have the guy at that position. So a 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:59.760 lot of these teams are picking up here multiple years 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.520 over a period of time, and they're willing to take 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:04.479 that risk just to try and get themselves out of 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.919 this this group. And I wonder if the draft is 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.960 now starting at number three with the Lions, are the 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.800 Lions going to be able to get somebody who wants 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.040 to come up there? And if so, what are they 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:18.400 What are they looking to get at the number three pick? Overall, 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.640 if you can't get Chase Young and can't get Joe Burrow, 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.960 what are you planning on getting at three that makes 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.039 it worthwhile? Well, the good news for the Lions is 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.200 they can use help in a lot of different areas. Dan, 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:33.120 so you get, you get Derek Brown and Jeffrey Okuta 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:35.400 seems to be what the choice comes down to. So 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.240 I've had them with the Kuda and I think they're thinking, 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.760 is man, they would love to trade back to five 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.280 or six because they're going to get both those guys 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.120 will probably still be there. They'll have their choice plus 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:49.080 get a little sugar. So I would think they're highly 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.920 motivated to get out. The question is, you know, what 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.000 are the Dolphins and the Chargers going to do about 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.000 moving up. I've got the sense for a while but 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:57.800 I'd not think the Chargers were going to move up. 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:00.600 They were content to sit and wait and see what 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:02.760 to hand their dealt there. They were comfortable with a 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.040 couple of different options. So then it comes down to 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.520 the Dolphins, and and I'd argue, look, if you're the 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:11.160 Dolphins and you love one of these quarterbacks, I should 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:12.960 use love. I gotta stop doing what with that with 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.080 quarterbacks as it confuses everybody this year. If they if 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:20.480 they have a passion about either Tuah or Herbert, and 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.640 you have as much draft capital as they've amassed for 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.560 this year next year, I don't know why you wouldn't 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.120 just guarantee that you get And even if you think 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:31.280 there's a slim chance the Chargers could leave, prug it, 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.320 don't you just get to three. It won't cost you 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:35.840 that much just to make sure that you get the 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.440 guy that you really really like. Give me the team 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.679 that's under the most pressure tonight or the entire draft. 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:46.040 Oh that's a good one, you know. I think that 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:47.720 I would say the Dolphins. I mean, when you have 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:49.760 the three first round picks and this is this is 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:51.640 a rumor that I don't get. Maybe you can explain 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.400 this one to me. So the Dolphins trade an all 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.160 pro offensive tackle and then they trade who's going to 0:07:58.200 --> 0:07:59.520 be an all Pro or who already is an all 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.480 pro free safety. So they trade these really talented position 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:04.920 players so that they can get all these draft picks, 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.080 so they can trade these draft picks to go up 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.240 and get another offensive tackle they hope is going to 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:10.920 be close to as good as the guy that they 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:17.720 traded away. That makes absolutely no sense for me. Well, 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.440 it feels like these offensive tackles, there's going to be 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.600 a run on offensive tackles. There's going to be a 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:27.120 run on wide receivers. I don't think they'll be necessarily 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:30.160 a run on quarterbacks because it'll be Burrow for sure, 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.920 and then maybe it's either to or Herbert and Jordan 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.480 Love a little bit later on. But it feels like 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.840 there's gonna be some pockets in this draft that are 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:43.480 going to be a little slow, not too exciting there. 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.520 And you're right, I don't understand the Dolphins philosophy and 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.599 what they want to do. You know, but Tunsil was 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.320 going to cost you an awful lot of money and 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.000 they didn't want to keep him. But as far as 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.880 you want to trade up to get an offensive tackle 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.679 instead of just there's enough offensive tackles that could fall 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:04.679 into your lap that you don't waste any of these 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:06.559 other draft picks here that that's the only thing out. 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:10.920 Is there a big separation between these offensive tackles? Look, 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.040 I think there's I think there's three that I really 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:15.920 really like Andrew Thomas. Some teams are a little bit 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:17.280 higher on him than I am, but he's going to 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.199 be a starting tackle. Now. I went to Appalachian State, Dan, 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.480 so I'm not great at math. But if you have 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.640 the fifth pick, and we know Joe Burrows going number one, 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.360 and we agree there are four really good offensive tackles 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.400 in this draft, yeah, why are you trading up to 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.320 get one? And unless you say he's the next Anthony 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.679 Munio's then and we've seen you know, and we were 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:38.640 talking about this, Daniel, there have been a lot of 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:43.480 offensive tackles taken who have been busted recently and taken high. 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:47.560 Because I think it's hard to handicap how offensive tackle 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:49.560 in college is going to be able to play the 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:53.320 position which you're playing a different position. Really, in the 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:57.440 way NFL blocking and the way college is, it's hard 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.079 to go that guy is going to be great in 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:02.080 the NFL. Now we've had some guys really good. It's 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:05.120 hard to find great offensive lineman, or at least that 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:06.840 you go, I'm going to spend a high draft pick 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:09.400 on these guys. You could have an Eric Fisher here, 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:14.680 or you could get so Yeah, Greg Robinson was really good. 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:17.280 It feels like you can get a guard or a 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:20.360 center and feel more confident than you can a tackle. 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.000 Why is that, well, I think when you look at 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.120 the way the college games play with so many tunnel 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.520 screens and bubble screens and spread you out, get the 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.120 ball out, it kind of eliminates these guys having to 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:33.280 really really pass protect for an extended period of time, 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.280 which is what you're asked to do at the NFL level. Now, 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:38.839 two things I would say. Number one is the NFL 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:42.319 is starting to incorporate more concepts like that to make 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.320 that a little bit easier for these kids. And the 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.599 other thing I would say is, I think there's a 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.040 there's I think we're quick to give up on a 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.240 lot of these guys. Like DJ Humphries is a great example. 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.800 He's not a great player dan, but the Falcons just 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:55.880 resigned him and gave him a decent chunk of money 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.880 because the DJ Humphries they saw in year three and 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.160 year four was much better than the one they saw 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.559 early on. I think there's just a there's a big 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.000 adjustment period for most of these guys that tackled then 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:09.320 when you're when you're talking about interior guys, um, you 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.040 know they get to play with neighbors. You know, as 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:12.760 to tackle, you only get one of you get two 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:16.599 neighbors when you play inside. Talking to Daniel Jeremiah, the 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.800 NFL network analyst here, if I told you you could 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.080 find out what one team is going to do tonight, 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:25.440 which team would that be that you wanted to know? Oh, 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:30.079 it would easily it would be the Chargers because because 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:34.600 I work for him, uh and be all my you know, 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.000 family and friends that grew up you know, as as 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.320 fans of this team keep saying you work for the team. 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:40.680 Were they taking I'm like, I don't know. I talked 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.800 to t LESCo three times a week. You'd tell me anything. 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:44.800 I don't know who they're taken. Who do you want 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:48.000 them to take? Well? To me, I just look at 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.079 them and look at and I know we've talked about 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.920 the risk with Tua, but going into this kind of 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:57.920 new era, new building. Um, I just think him his personality. 0:11:57.920 --> 0:11:59.560 Putting him in with this group, it would be a 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.600 big shot me arm to everybody, and then they've got 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:04.520 to go about trying to get the offensive line fixed 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:08.040 to protect him. But I think Tah with with you know, 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.120 with Keenan Allen and Mike Williams and Hunter Henry and 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.520 Austin Eckler. He's a point guard. He's a distributor, and 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.120 they have a nice collection of guys who could distribute 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:21.640 the ball to I have doubts on Ta not just 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:26.120 the medical doubts. I mean that alone. I wouldn't take him. 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.800 But I understand if the Dolphins do it and they 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.000 want to splash, if the Chargers do when they want 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.240 to splash, Like, I get it. I really like the kid. 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:38.840 But Chris Simms was killing twa last night. I mean 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:41.040 he said, look, I like the kid. I'm just telling 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.880 you he's not a top ten talent. We've been force 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:47.719 fed Tah. You know, if Justin Herbert played at Alabama, 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.240 would we look at Justin Herbert differently? What if Tuah 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.559 was at Utah State and Jordan Love was at Alabet, 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.280 Like we look at you in the system, with the coach, 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.000 with the results. You're playing big games, national title games, 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.000 like all of those things. But are we over inflating 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:10.120 somebody without really knowing that we're doing that? Well, I 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.360 mean I could, I could take everything that you just said, 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.679 and I could. I could go back to the year 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.880 Deshaun Watson came out, and I could put an exact 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.280 same spot. You know, everybody said the same thing about him. 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.439 He's playing. Look at all these NFL wide receivers he's 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.760 playing with. You know, he's in all these primetime games 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.960 on big stages. There's a lot of guys. You can't 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.400 penalize him for who they who they played with. I 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:33.920 can just tell you the difference to me between Herbert 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:37.000 and Tua is I think that that Tua plays with 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.679 much more urgency. He's much more decisive. He's much more 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:44.080 aggressive now and that's not something that changes whether you 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.520 put on a different helmet or not. So that to 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:48.480 me would be the difference between those two guys now 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:52.240 justin Herbert's bigger, stronger, more athletic. I get all of that. 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.760 He did not play with nearly the talent that Tua did. 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.280 I told somebody of the day. I think Tua played 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.920 with the best receiving corps we've seen college football since 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.400 the Hurricanes in the early two thousands when they had 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:05.920 Andre Johnson and Reggie Wayne and all those guys. I mean, 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.520 it was unbelievable. But that doesn't change the fact that 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.040 when I watch him, I see somebody that's very twitched up, 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.800 very urgent, and plays aggressive, which are things I like, Yeah, 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:17.000 but he plays too aggressive and he needs to understand 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:21.000 to take a loss throw it away. You know, Robert 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.400 Griffin got into trouble in the pros. You try to 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:27.000 take on these guys, extend to play and that Nick 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.480 Saban was on yesterday and he talked about two is 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.960 always trying to make the play, make the big play, 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.480 that you can't do that in the pros because he's 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.840 not fast. I agree with that. He's not fast. I 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.200 agree with that. I agree with that, and somebody. I 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.200 was actually talking to Pollock about this last night on 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.280 the phone and we were talking about his inability to 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.520 protect himself, and I said, you know what, he's not 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.360 nearly the athlete that you know Kyler Murray or Russell 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.280 Wilson are, but he needs to watch a lot of 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.680 their tape just to see how they protect himself. That's 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.440 great and soccer giving up giving up three or five 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.480 yards is not a big deal with the grand scheme 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.480 of things here, man, get down, protect yourself. There's ways, 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.520 even when you throw the football and you're getting heat, 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:06.760 to be able to fall away from the hit. I 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:08.680 mean people used to make fun of Eli Manning, but 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:10.960 last I check, Eli Manning played a lot of teams 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.080 stout missing any for the way he threw the ball 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.320 when he got under pressure. It's like I when when 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.640 people talk about pitching and throwing, I said, if you 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.000 weren't learned to pitch, watch Greg Maddox. Do you want 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.200 to learn to throw? There's a lot of guys who 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.320 can throw. You want to learn to play the quarterbacking position? 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.200 You know, I'd have him watched Russell Wilson because I 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.640 think he's more like Russell Wilson than he is Drew Brees. 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:34.160 I mean Russe extends a play like you know. I 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.840 mean Drew Brees is a pocket quarterback. He doesn't get 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.920 out of the pocket. He doesn't extend. You know, if 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.280 you if you're watching too it, he's extending. He's trying 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:47.080 he runs. He needs to watch Russell Wilson and understand 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.080 how to protect yourself, because that would be the guy 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.720 say watch him and you're a similar size and you 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:56.080 can see the success that he's had. Yeah, I mean 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.480 that's I agree with you. That's kind of why the 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:00.560 way I feel, it's just you've got to out away 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.600 to keep yourself on the field. I think when he 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.560 stays on the field, I think he's pretty darn good. 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.320 But that's doesn't matter if you if you can't get 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:10.320 out there. So that's the concern. I mean, that's you look, 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.440 you're holding your breath when you take him, and you're 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.680 hoping that you get that you get that kid on 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.400 the field. But there's risk, no no, no doubt about it. 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.400 I don't disagree with that. Daniel goes back to the 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.680 fear of taking him and the fear of not taking him. 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.560 And when's the last time that we had a draft 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:28.320 pick where we said that at that position, the fear 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.840 of taking him in the fear of not taking him, 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:35.440 what's greater. Well, I mean that's that's I would say, 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:39.600 Johnny Manziel, was that question right? This is a totally 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.720 different kid, and the makeup is totally different, but it 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.880 was the way Manzel played stylistically was something we hadn't 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.240 really seen and it was a question of whether or 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.840 not that would you know that would translate. But I 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:51.920 think that one was There's teams that were like, man, 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:53.920 I I don't know, I don't think I can take him, 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:55.720 but man, I'll hope he doesn't go in our division 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:57.440 because they thought he had a chance to be really good. 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:02.200 But this is this is a similar but yet different. Yeah. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.840 I thought Johnny would be if Jacksonville took him, that 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:09.159 he would be a boost for that franchise, that it 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:13.119 gave them personality. I didn't realize what his personality truly 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:17.480 was and that he just wasn't committed to playing playing 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:21.840 the sport. But I do love I just I get 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.560 nervous about that. You know, he's not a big kid. 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.840 I mean, Herbert, if you said, you know he's got injuries, Well, 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.640 he's still a six six kid and he runs well. 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.720 He's a better athlete than Tuah is Um. He might 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.159 not be a better quarterback. Jordan Love might be a 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.760 better athlete. But you know, there's a mystery with him. 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.520 We love the mysteries though, when you think about it, Daniel. 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.240 It's like Jordan Love is intriguing because we don't know 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.399 much about him, no doubt, no doubt. And to me, 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.840 it's almost you know, we're trying to we're trying to 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.439 we're trying to judge whether or not we have a 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.840 good marriage without knowing who the partner is. So you know, 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:00.840 when we find out what it's an arranged maror cheered Daniel, 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:04.240 that's what we're doing in a range of marriage. But 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:06.840 I mean it's like it goes back to Patrick Mahomes 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.280 and Andy Reid, Like you can't find a better marriage 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.520 than that for him. You know, if if you know 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.680 Jordan Love ended up with you know, Sean Payton or 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.360 you know, one of these top offensive minds that had 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.399 a chance to sit and learn and develop. What if 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.280 he's with Frank Reich with the coltson can sit behind 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.040 rivers for a year or two years, Like that's unbelievable. 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.439 He's got a great shot to be successful. You know, 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.800 he goes to the Miami Dolphins and they start him 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:35.720 next year behind that offensive line, it's not going to go. Well, 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:40.480 why did everybody? Most people miss on Mahomes? Well, I 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.440 can just talk about my my, my missing on him 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:47.040 was because when you watched him, you saw unbelievable talent, 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.520 but you saw him in an offense which was a 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.359 bunch of screens and scrambles. That's basically what they were 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.200 doing at Texas Tech. And then it was so free 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.119 wheeling and so different from anything he was going to 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.320 be asked to do at the next level. That was difficult. 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.080 And the other thing I would say is I got 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.359 a chance to visit with him the week of the 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:07.040 draft for the first time. He came into our studio 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:11.920 at NFL Network, and I asked him about specific plays 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:15.840 like TCU Patrick, third down, you're down on the red zone, 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.040 fourth quarter, kind of like what you've heard Sean McVay 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:21.520 do when people ask him about specific plays, and he 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:26.320 would tell me the play, call, the read, what happened 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.640 on the play, what that led them to do later 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.880 on in the game. Like his recall and his intelligence 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.840 was off the charts. And I think the teams that 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.240 got a chance to visit with him said, Okay, this 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.800 kid's got all this natural talent. I know we need 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:42.560 to work on the footwork. I know there's a lot 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.840 of things to need to happen to go forward. But 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.280 this kid is incredibly bright and he loves football. So 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:51.399 when you put that kind of stew together, that was 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.880 the magic. But if you could have you could work 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:59.479 him out physically, work somebody out, or you could just 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:03.040 enter view him like what would be more valuable? You 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.600 could only pick one, but you could actually work him out, 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:08.120 or you could do what you just did by saying, hey, 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.159 give me the TCU play the call. You know everything 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:13.080 you saw in the play, like, what's going to tell 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.800