WEBVTT - Breaking The Stigma w/ Phoebe Robinson & (RED) 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.240 The following episode was recorded before the WGA sag Aftra 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:05.880 strikes of twenty twenty three. 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:09.799 Okay, everybody, this is a fun episode. My friend Phoebe 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:14.560 Robinson is here. We met doing a show called I 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.799 Love Dick. It's funny. When we were promoting this show, 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:20.400 I was going around the country and there were some 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.160 interviewers that I would do in the Heartland, and they 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:26.160 refused to even say the title of the show, which 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:30.200 her mom was awesome. They'd make me say it. That 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:32.880 was the funniest thing. I was also a guest on 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:38.960 her incredible show Two Dove Queens. We had so much fun. 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:43.000 We've laughed together so many times, and we'll be laughing today. 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:46.240 So lean in and get ready to laugh. I'm glad 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:57.040 you're here. Okay, So I'm here on the podcast with 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:02.680 Phoebe Robinson. We have a lot of history we do. 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.760 I think people would be surprised that much history we have. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:09.640 We met when we did that Amazon show I Loved Dick, 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:11.920 and I was so intimidated. 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:13.920 I truly was about saying the title of the show, 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:15.040 or just in general. 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:16.560 Be around you. You're a legends. 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:18.760 I was like, I don't want to say anything. Dumb 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:22.319 around Kevin Bacon like you wouldn't care. But yeah, and 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.120 then we've just kept in touch. Yeah, you try to 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:27.720 teach me how to be outdoorsy, and yeah. 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:31.880 We ended up in a tree in tamscal Park. I mean, 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:33.120 how does that happen? 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:33.800 Yeah? 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.840 That was from my Comedy Central show Doing the Most, 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.200 And I just had people on to teach me how 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.400 to do stuff to get me outside my comfort zone. 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:45.839 And I don't think I've become much more outdoorsy. 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:47.840 It was such a cool idea though. It was really 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:49.640 fun and you know what, I had such a blast. 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:53.480 But just to kind of set this up, Yeah, so 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:55.240 as Phoebe said, you know, it was things to get 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:58.080 her outside of her comfort zone, and in this case, 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:04.240 it was wire work pretty much on ropes or i'd 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:08.400 say rope work, being suspended in the harnesses, walking across 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:11.480 stuff between trees like maybe twenty feet off the ground 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.919 or something. I mean, yeah, I mean obviously there was safety, 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.720 but it was something that was kind of gnarly. I 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:19.240 mean it was kind of scary. 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.120 Right, It's scary, but you moved like an avenger, like. 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:25.000 You were just just climbed up this tree. 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:29.280 Very old avenger and I was so scared. You were 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:30.120 genuinely scary. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.919 I was so scared, Like low, Ki was like, why 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.640 couldn't have been like let's do cooking, like something on 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:36.360 the ground. 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.280 Ye, spicy food. Yeah. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:41.079 And then you remember at the end where we had 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.440 to like jump off that little ledge in a tree 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.280 and that I was like, oh it took me like 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:50.080 five minutes, and like it took me what like almost 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:50.480 an hour? 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:52.960 Yeah, didn't you have like your plans? 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:59.920 Yeah? I was like, okay, listen, I gotta sometime today, 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.560 I'll tell you what I'm gonna go to dinner, And 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:05.600 can somebody just let me know if she ever made 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:10.680 it down out of the tree. But it was, it 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:12.560 was fun. I had a good time and I did 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:13.360 two dope queens. 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.799 Yes, that was. That was in l A too, right. 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:17.600 That was so fun. Yeah, that was. 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:18.359 It was in La. 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:19.160 Right. 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.680 I had this idea that we were talking about Brooklyn earlier. 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:23.280 I had this idea that it was in Brooklyn. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.120 I wish, I wish it was. I mean, I love 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.400 Brooklyn so much. But we did it I think downtown LA. 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:30.680 And it was that was super fun. I mean, and 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:34.240 you were you know, you were a pioneer of this 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:38.720 whole really podcasting thing that's taken off absolutely. 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.920 Okay, am I like as good as Rosa Parks, Like 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:41.680 I'm on her level. 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:45.360 Yeah, yeah, you and Rosa Parks. Yeah, did she have 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:46.040 a podcast? 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:47.960 You know what? She didn't try hard? 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.120 No, but you really were. I mean this like that 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.000 kind of format and then also having it with a 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.720 live audience. It's interesting now, how uh they that that 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:03.640 that's also in its own sense become a next level 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.160 of podcasting, right that that you go and you do 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:07.680 this live thing. 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.240 Yeah, it's just one of those things where it's like 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.680 anytime you add an audience to it, it just be 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:15.520 I don't want to see it becomes dangerous. But it's 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:17.800 sort of like you kind of don't know what's going 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.279 to happen, Like you could say something off the cuff 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.200 that like the audience really likes and it has you 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.560 go down this path. And so it was so fun 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:29.000 doing the shows, Jessica and I doing them live every 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:30.800 other week in Brooklyn and La like it was. 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:31.760 I had the best time. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.120 It was the coolest. And boy, I gotta tell you, 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:36.120 I mean I've done a lot of live stuff. I 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:40.160 started out in the in the theater and playing a band. 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:41.760 So I've been in front of audience is you know, 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:46.120 quite a lot, and you know sometimes you get that 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:52.400 really dialed up energy. And that's what it was watching 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.599 the two of you work that crowd. I mean it 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.920 was it was flying, Okay, it was good. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.040 How to do this podcast every week so you could 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.120 give me some words of affirmation. 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:08.159 I can't believe how busy you are with all the 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.600 stuff that you do, I mean a lot. How do 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.479 you how do you do? Do you have like or 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.800 do you use like the iCal and put everything in 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:19.039 and and have alerts and do all that kind of stuff. 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:23.320 I have a color coded calendar, I have a day planner. 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:30.080 And filots if they stop making file effects when you 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:30.840 were born and things. 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.120 Well, I find that like when I write it down, 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.320 like I remember it more than just like doing it 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:37.880 on my computer. 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:39.320 You do, so I try to keep it. 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:41.040 I have a g cow that I have a day 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.240 planner that has everything in there, and then you know, 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.400 I just I think it's probably the same with you. 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:49.640 It's like if you love what you do, even when 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:53.120 it's hard work, it's kind of like you don't mind 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:54.800 as much and you're like, yeah, I'll just roll my 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.440 sleeves and dive into that. Whether it's like acting or 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:01.400 writing books or podcasting, it's like it's all fun to. 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.400 Me ultimately, you know, So you do love it. I 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:05.279 do love it. 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:09.120 There are some days where I'm like, especially when I 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.960 do stand up touring, where it's like, I've never been 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.560 a person that's ever loved touring. 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:15.400 Do you love to tour? 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.040 You know? I liked it when I first started in 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:23.840 the nineties with our band. There was a kind of 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.480 romance to it. But the bloom is off the roads 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:31.360 in terms of, like, you know, the actual travel and 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:35.279 crappy hotels and like, I mean, I'm sure this is 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.040 probably similar and it's a little bit of a rock 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.560 and roll cliche. But I always love the show. It's 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.200 like the rest of the stuff, And even if it's 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.839 not a good show, I still love the show because 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:53.000 then you go, I had this experience with this crowd, 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.799 this group of people. It's never going to be the same, 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.800 and if it was not as good as it could 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:00.320 have been, then I'm going to learn and try to 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.040 make it better next time, you know, whatever it happens 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.279 to be. But the rest of it has gotten tiresome. 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.320 Yeah, and I feel like I've gotten older. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:14.160 I'm I need to have my routine so I stay centered. 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:15.320 So it's like I need to wake up at a 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:17.720 certain time and make sure I like work out and 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.800 eat like the specific breakfast that I want to eat. 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.880 And touring is so much of like you're slepping around forever. 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:25.000 And I finally got to a place where I'm not 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.080 staying in like really disgusting hotels, which is nice, but 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.600 that really scarred me where it's just like I don't 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:32.040 want to like like. 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.120 I didn't move around. Is you get a bus. 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.880 N Kevin, I'm not as famous as you. 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:42.560 Well, no, I don't have as either. No. 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:44.680 I do flights and some times to train. 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:48.840 And I remember when I did Edinburgh and twenty nineteen 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.160 and I stayed at this hotel and I was checking 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.200 in and I always just like check the sheets or whatever, 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.320 and I pulled back and there was just massive blood 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:01.440 stains all over the sheets and they were very unconcerned. 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.520 They were like, well, it's not on the mattress. 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:04.880 And I was like, it's. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.640 Been believing all of ye oh my god. 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:11.000 Wow, So it's not not my favorite WHOA yeah. 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:18.239 To what hotel, So Phoebe you have so you you 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:24.600 you you stand up acting, podcasting. I'm interested. You're also 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:29.480 an author, yeah, and so when you have a book out. 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.440 I've never written a book, but I'm I'm assuming there's 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:34.560 a lot of promotion that goes around that, right. What 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.679 is it about writing books that? I mean, how many 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.360 books have you written? I've written three, three books, so 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:44.000 obviously you keep coming back to it. Yeah, and they're great, 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.480 They're fantastic, by the way, I mean, But I but 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:48.319 what what? What? 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:48.000 What? 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.440 Why that? Because that seems to me like it would 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:54.840 take a lot of time and a lot of energy 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.000 both to do but also to promote. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.760 Yeah, writing of everything I do is the hardest, and 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.120 writing books is the hardest, which is probably why I 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.680 love it because I kind of love challenges where I'm like, 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.480 I don't know this is gonna be good by the end, 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.280 but let's see. But I used to write all the 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.960 time as a kid. I write these short stories and 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.440 I was always a voracious reader. And so for me, 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.640 if I could only do one thing for the rest 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.200 of my life, it would be an author. 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.560 I love would you No. 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:32.680 I would do it from Brooklyn forever. But yeah. 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.880 I just find that book lovers are just like some 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:40.240 of my favorite kind of people because you're just dorky 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:43.320 in a way that they like don't even care. They're like, 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:45.800 we just love books, and like we don't care, like 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:46.840 how nerdy. 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:47.199 This makes us. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.760 And so when you just share that love with other 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.440 people when you're traveling, like, it's always really fun. So 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:56.680 the promotional part of it is really great. And so 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:59.000 I kind of missed it this last time around because 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:00.839 of the pandemic. When't get to do like a proper 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:02.880 book tour. So I was a little bit bummed about that. 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.200 But the first the first two books, it was just 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:06.680 like the best. 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:08.280 What is a book tour? Like, what do you do? 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:09.800 You go sign it, go to the mall. 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.920 You do do book signings at different bookstores. I tried 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:16.520 to do a lot of indie bookstores, and then you know, 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.760 you have like I don't know, two hundred people come out, 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:20.360 maybe three hundred people, and then you do like a 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:24.080 Q and A take pictures, and then I always just 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:28.640 end up buying more books. My apartment is thirty seven 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.439 percent books. Wow, it's a lot of books. 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:33.400 Okay, I got it, I gotta I'm going to pitch 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:36.560 you real quick. A game that we just started to play, okay, 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.600 which is really fun where you go up to a 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.360 bookshelf and let's say you got like four or five 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:45.160 people there, yeah, right, and you pick a book and 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:47.840 you read what the description of the book is, okay, 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:52.480 and then everybody writes the first sentence of the book 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.240 what they've imagined the first sentence of the book book, 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.240 and in the mix is also the actual real sentence 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.360 of the book that the person that book picked the book. 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:02.240 We'll also write that down, put it in a big 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.240 you know, hat, and mix it up, and then you 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.040 just read them out loud, and everybody votes on what 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.719 they think the actual first sentence of the book is. Now, 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:12.920 it seems like a kind of a silly, dumb thing. 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:17.120 It's so fun, so fun, because people write the most 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:22.360 amazing stuff, but you you would just be it's I 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.560 don't know, it's it's really really interesting and sometimes you 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:29.200 even so if somebody picks yours, you feel like, you know, 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.320 and then if you get the right the right one right, 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:32.440 you know, anyway. 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.240 That's cool. This is a game you created. 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:38.440 Did not create a note. We were at someone's house 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.240 and after dinner. They said, you want to play this 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.199 game and there's no winners. You know, I guess you 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:44.959 could probably score it if you wanted to, But it's 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:46.600 not really like that. That's just yeah. 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.000 Yeah, I like those kind of games because I'm competitive. 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.360 I hate to lose, so sometimes it's not fun. 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.439 Yeah, well this would be well you if you really 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.600 wanted to turn it into a competition. I guess you 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:58.760 could maybe if you got points for getting the right 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:07.959 one or something that. Do you love your name? 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.200 Yes, I really do. I think it's a very pretty name. 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.600 You don't meet a lot of black Phoebe's, so I 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:19.200 feel I've yet to meet a black Phoebe. 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:19.720 Actually. 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.320 Do you know why I love your name? 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:23.080 Why? 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:27.320 Well, first off, it's just the coolest name. But and 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.960 also I have it by way of comparison because I 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.000 hate my name. I hate everything about it. 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:33.600 Why what's wrong with Kevin? 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.880 Kevin is an awful name? Kevin is first off, Kevin 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:39.959 is now being used as a male Karen. I don't 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.560 know if you're aware of that. Okay, so right there. 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:46.959 It's not great. In England. Sometimes they use it as 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:50.160 an insult, you know, like he said, Kevin. You know 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.720 meaning like he's just an a hole. I don't mind keV. 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.600 But then you add to it bacon, which is it's 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:02.520 a breakfast food, you know, involves slaughtering and curing pigs, 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.000 which I love pigs, and you it's a there's a 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:11.000 lifetime of of you know, insults around your breakfast food name. 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:12.280 But the thing about this is what I think about 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:15.280 when I think about Phoebe Robinson. I've got Phoebe Snow. 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:19.640 Yes, that is Jackie Robinson. My dad named me after Phoebe. 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.120 Okay, really, see, I don't I don't know if you 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:22.520 told me that. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:23.800 I never told you that. 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.920 Okay, Okay, that's what goes into my head. Phoebe Snow, 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:32.520 Jackie Robinson. It's just it's a great it's a great name. Congratulations, 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:33.120 Thank you. 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.240 There's going to be a great white Kevin out there, 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:37.280 that's besides you. 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:45.720 There are no great white Kevins. That's gonna be. Maybe 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.080 that should be. Maybe that should be my book, The 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:49.040 Great White Captain. 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.520 I will buy that, I will publish that. I would 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.400 do all the things. That's hilarious. 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.880 I want to know how did you come up with 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:03.800 the name, your company and a book tiny reparations. 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.319 So that actually started as a little bit of a 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.240 joke that Jessica and I had when we had towed 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:14.400 up Queens, because I would always be like, Okay, listen, 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:17.600 you and I like we haven't done anything to like 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:21.000 truly advance black people. So like we're not going to 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:25.520 get like financial reparations, but we can get like tiny reparations, 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.240 like small things like a free like phone and a 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.680 gift bag or something that's like a tiny reparation. 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:31.280 Okay. 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.240 And I just thought, with my production. 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:36.640 Company and my my publishing imprint, like I want to 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.040 use both of those as like platforms for like other 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:43.560 you know, under like represented voices to have their own platform. 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.280 And so for me, it's like that's my way of 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.600 giving back, Like that's my tiny reparation. Painting Forward. 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.640 It's a great It's a great name because it is 0:14:51.760 --> 0:15:02.600 both provocative, you know, potentially controversial, and also you know, 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.840 knowing you, it kind of has a sense of humor 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.000 around it, you know what I mean? 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.680 You get it, Kevin. If you don't write this damn book, 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.320 I swear to God, should you should write a book? 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:14.160 Would you ever do it? 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.760 No? I would do Why not? Because I'm not a writer. 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.120 You know, I can't write a three minute song. But 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:20.440 I can't. I can't write a book. 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.240 We'll talk offline. But a lot of these people are 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:25.240 writing their own books. 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:32.120 But yeah, no, okay, I don't know. 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:33.600 I think you should do. 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.320 I think you're very interesting. I think you're not overexposed, 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:38.480 so people want to hear what. 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:40.440 You have to say. You don't think I'm over exposed, No, 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:40.880 I don't. 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.080 I think you're in that sweet spot of being beloved. 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:45.360 That's what I think. 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:49.840 M Yeah, well maybe after they read the book, that's 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.720 going to wane a little once they see that I 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:54.960 can't write it all. But thank you for that, thank 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:58.240 you for that vote of confidence. I will I will 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.240 start thinking about it. I mean, I guess my my 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.960 resistance to it is a little bit like, see, your 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:11.160 books are are different because they are specifically about like 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:16.840 individual kind of concepts. You're not stopping at age sixty 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:20.320 five and saying, let me tell you all about my 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.840 glorious life. You know what I mean. It's like it's 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:28.720 like for me, first off, I don't think it's that interesting. Really, 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:31.440 I mean, it hasn't been you know, there just hasn't 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:35.720 been stuff that's that interesting in my life. And I 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.080 also kind of feel like it's a little I don't know, 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:39.040 it's just not my thing. 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:44.080 But also money, you know, like you would get a 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.280 lot really Yeah, hang. 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:51.040 On, hit the cough butt in. 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:52.200 That sweet case. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:57.680 Yeah, tell me about your involvement with Red. 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:01.720 I'm curious, Okay, I love talking about Red. I could 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:05.080 talk about it all the time. So growing up, two 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.320 things people who know about me. As a teenager, I 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.960 was obsessed with you too, probably started at age thirteen. 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:11.719 I know that, Yes, you know that. 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.920 And I would always after school, I would come home 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:20.000 and watch Oprah like many people do. And you know, 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.199 I always sort of follow like Bono's sort of like 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:26.000 philanthropic work. And then he was on Oprah talking about Red, 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:30.480 which he co founded with Bobby Bobby Shriver. And you know, 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.919 first of all, Bono is like just a brilliant, brilliant person, 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:38.000 biggest heart. I was hoping he's gonna be my husband, 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.680 but he's just like married to like the best person ever. 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.280 So I started watching this great show called. 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.440 Badis his daughter's daughter. 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:51.000 I didn't know it was his daughter, and somebody somebody 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.720 told me, oh, yeah, that show is banging I love 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.280 that show anyway, go ahead, and she's awesome in it. Yeah, 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:58.600 if she's listening. 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:02.080 What this family too talented? That's what I gotta say 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:03.760 that we gotta bring We got to bring them. 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:04.520 Down a notch. 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.840 That's what this podcast is really about. No, No, it's okay, 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:13.680 but yeah. So, you know, I remember Donald talking about 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:17.360 Red and just sort of like raising all this awareness 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:20.199 about fighting AIDS in Africa, and you know, of course 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.000 we all remember like the Red Gap T shirts or 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.800 even like now have like the red like iPhone case, 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:30.600 and it just really I think I've kind of always 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:32.920 come from a do gooder family, like my brother does 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:36.520 works at a nonprofit in Ohio called Reading Partners, and 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.560 so I really just resonated with the passion that he 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.919 expressed about Red and sort of like making sure that 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.920 we keep fighting the injustices that are happening, making sure 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.399 that people can get the medicine they need to stay alive. 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:50.760 And I think one of the things that really stuck 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.520 out to me about Red is that they partner with 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.040 other brands to raise his money, and people can buy 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:58.919 certain Red theme products so they can feel like they're participating. 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:03.320 But most I feel what I love about RED is 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:05.680 that it's not just like okay, like you give this money, 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:09.159 you like save a life. It's about making sure that 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:12.679 people have really full, nuanced lives so they can go 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:14.920 on like have families, be teachers. 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.400 We have like a lot of them become global health workers. 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.520 So if you have someone who's in this fight on 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:23.119 the ground, like they have all this knowledge that they 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:26.240 can then help continue this fight. And so for me, 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.280 it just always felt like this is an emergency. And 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.440 I think sometimes people can feel like, Okay, yeah, we've 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:34.520 talked about or we've heard about it, let's move on, 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:35.919 and it's like no, no, no, no. 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:37.680 We have to keep the foot on the gas. 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:40.520 And I really love that RED is making sure that 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.639 we do not forget how much of an emergency it 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:45.320 is to fight HIV and AIDS. 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:50.119 That's amazing. Well, I want to bring on Jennifer Lo Tito, 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:55.240