1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: The following episode was recorded before the WGA sag Aftra 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: strikes of twenty twenty three. 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 2: Okay, everybody, this is a fun episode. My friend Phoebe 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: Robinson is here. We met doing a show called I 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 2: Love Dick. It's funny. When we were promoting this show, 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: I was going around the country and there were some 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: interviewers that I would do in the Heartland, and they 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: refused to even say the title of the show, which 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: her mom was awesome. They'd make me say it. That 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 2: was the funniest thing. I was also a guest on 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: her incredible show Two Dove Queens. We had so much fun. 12 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: We've laughed together so many times, and we'll be laughing today. 13 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: So lean in and get ready to laugh. I'm glad 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: you're here. Okay, So I'm here on the podcast with 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: Phoebe Robinson. We have a lot of history we do. 16 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: I think people would be surprised that much history we have. 17 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 3: We met when we did that Amazon show I Loved Dick, 18 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: and I was so intimidated. 19 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: I truly was about saying the title of the show, 20 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 2: or just in general. 21 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 4: Be around you. You're a legends. 22 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 3: I was like, I don't want to say anything. Dumb 23 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 3: around Kevin Bacon like you wouldn't care. But yeah, and 24 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: then we've just kept in touch. Yeah, you try to 25 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 3: teach me how to be outdoorsy, and yeah. 26 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: We ended up in a tree in tamscal Park. I mean, 27 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 2: how does that happen? 28 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 4: Yeah? 29 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 3: That was from my Comedy Central show Doing the Most, 30 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: And I just had people on to teach me how 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 3: to do stuff to get me outside my comfort zone. 32 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 3: And I don't think I've become much more outdoorsy. 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: It was such a cool idea though. It was really 34 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: fun and you know what, I had such a blast. 35 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: But just to kind of set this up, Yeah, so 36 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: as Phoebe said, you know, it was things to get 37 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: her outside of her comfort zone, and in this case, 38 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: it was wire work pretty much on ropes or i'd 39 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: say rope work, being suspended in the harnesses, walking across 40 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: stuff between trees like maybe twenty feet off the ground 41 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: or something. I mean, yeah, I mean obviously there was safety, 42 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: but it was something that was kind of gnarly. I 43 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: mean it was kind of scary. 44 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 3: Right, It's scary, but you moved like an avenger, like. 45 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 4: You were just just climbed up this tree. 46 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: Very old avenger and I was so scared. You were 47 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: genuinely scary. 48 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 3: I was so scared, Like low, Ki was like, why 49 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 3: couldn't have been like let's do cooking, like something on 50 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 3: the ground. 51 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: Ye, spicy food. Yeah. 52 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 3: And then you remember at the end where we had 53 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 3: to like jump off that little ledge in a tree 54 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 3: and that I was like, oh it took me like 55 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 3: five minutes, and like it took me what like almost 56 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: an hour? 57 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, didn't you have like your plans? 58 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? I was like, okay, listen, I gotta sometime today, 59 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I'm gonna go to dinner, And 60 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: can somebody just let me know if she ever made 61 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: it down out of the tree. But it was, it 62 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: was fun. I had a good time and I did 63 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 2: two dope queens. 64 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 4: Yes, that was. That was in l A too, right. 65 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 4: That was so fun. Yeah, that was. 66 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 2: It was in La. 67 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 4: Right. 68 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: I had this idea that we were talking about Brooklyn earlier. 69 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: I had this idea that it was in Brooklyn. 70 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: I wish, I wish it was. I mean, I love 71 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 3: Brooklyn so much. But we did it I think downtown LA. 72 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: And it was that was super fun. I mean, and 73 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 2: you were you know, you were a pioneer of this 74 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: whole really podcasting thing that's taken off absolutely. 75 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: Okay, am I like as good as Rosa Parks, Like 76 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 3: I'm on her level. 77 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you and Rosa Parks. Yeah, did she have 78 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: a podcast? 79 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 4: You know what? She didn't try hard? 80 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 2: No, but you really were. I mean this like that 81 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: kind of format and then also having it with a 82 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: live audience. It's interesting now, how uh they that that 83 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: that's also in its own sense become a next level 84 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: of podcasting, right that that you go and you do 85 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: this live thing. 86 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just one of those things where it's like 87 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: anytime you add an audience to it, it just be 88 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: I don't want to see it becomes dangerous. But it's 89 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: sort of like you kind of don't know what's going 90 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 3: to happen, Like you could say something off the cuff 91 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: that like the audience really likes and it has you 92 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 3: go down this path. And so it was so fun 93 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 3: doing the shows, Jessica and I doing them live every 94 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: other week in Brooklyn and La like it was. 95 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 4: I had the best time. 96 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: It was the coolest. And boy, I gotta tell you, 97 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: I mean I've done a lot of live stuff. I 98 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 2: started out in the in the theater and playing a band. 99 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: So I've been in front of audience is you know, 100 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: quite a lot, and you know sometimes you get that 101 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: really dialed up energy. And that's what it was watching 102 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 2: the two of you work that crowd. I mean it 103 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: was it was flying, Okay, it was good. 104 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 3: How to do this podcast every week so you could 105 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: give me some words of affirmation. 106 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 2: I can't believe how busy you are with all the 107 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: stuff that you do, I mean a lot. How do 108 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 2: you how do you do? Do you have like or 109 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: do you use like the iCal and put everything in 110 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 2: and and have alerts and do all that kind of stuff. 111 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 3: I have a color coded calendar, I have a day planner. 112 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: And filots if they stop making file effects when you 113 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 2: were born and things. 114 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 3: Well, I find that like when I write it down, 115 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: like I remember it more than just like doing it 116 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 3: on my computer. 117 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 4: You do, so I try to keep it. 118 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 3: I have a g cow that I have a day 119 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 3: planner that has everything in there, and then you know, 120 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 3: I just I think it's probably the same with you. 121 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: It's like if you love what you do, even when 122 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 3: it's hard work, it's kind of like you don't mind 123 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 3: as much and you're like, yeah, I'll just roll my 124 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 3: sleeves and dive into that. Whether it's like acting or 125 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: writing books or podcasting, it's like it's all fun to. 126 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 4: Me ultimately, you know, So you do love it. I 127 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 4: do love it. 128 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 3: There are some days where I'm like, especially when I 129 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 3: do stand up touring, where it's like, I've never been 130 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 3: a person that's ever loved touring. 131 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 4: Do you love to tour? 132 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 2: You know? I liked it when I first started in 133 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 2: the nineties with our band. There was a kind of 134 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 2: romance to it. But the bloom is off the roads 135 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: in terms of, like, you know, the actual travel and 136 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 2: crappy hotels and like, I mean, I'm sure this is 137 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 2: probably similar and it's a little bit of a rock 138 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: and roll cliche. But I always love the show. It's 139 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: like the rest of the stuff, And even if it's 140 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 2: not a good show, I still love the show because 141 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: then you go, I had this experience with this crowd, 142 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 2: this group of people. It's never going to be the same, 143 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: and if it was not as good as it could 144 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: have been, then I'm going to learn and try to 145 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 2: make it better next time, you know, whatever it happens 146 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 2: to be. But the rest of it has gotten tiresome. 147 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I feel like I've gotten older. 148 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 3: I'm I need to have my routine so I stay centered. 149 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 3: So it's like I need to wake up at a 150 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 3: certain time and make sure I like work out and 151 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 3: eat like the specific breakfast that I want to eat. 152 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: And touring is so much of like you're slepping around forever. 153 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: And I finally got to a place where I'm not 154 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 3: staying in like really disgusting hotels, which is nice, but 155 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 3: that really scarred me where it's just like I don't 156 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 3: want to like like. 157 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: I didn't move around. Is you get a bus. 158 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 4: N Kevin, I'm not as famous as you. 159 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: Well, no, I don't have as either. No. 160 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 4: I do flights and some times to train. 161 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: And I remember when I did Edinburgh and twenty nineteen 162 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: and I stayed at this hotel and I was checking 163 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 3: in and I always just like check the sheets or whatever, 164 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: and I pulled back and there was just massive blood 165 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 3: stains all over the sheets and they were very unconcerned. 166 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: They were like, well, it's not on the mattress. 167 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 4: And I was like, it's. 168 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: Been believing all of ye oh my god. 169 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 4: Wow, So it's not not my favorite WHOA yeah. 170 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:18,239 Speaker 2: To what hotel, So Phoebe you have so you you 171 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: you you stand up acting, podcasting. I'm interested. You're also 172 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 2: an author, yeah, and so when you have a book out. 173 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: I've never written a book, but I'm I'm assuming there's 174 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: a lot of promotion that goes around that, right. What 175 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 2: is it about writing books that? I mean, how many 176 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: books have you written? I've written three, three books, so 177 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: obviously you keep coming back to it. Yeah, and they're great, 178 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: They're fantastic, by the way, I mean, But I but 179 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 2: what what? What? 180 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 4: What? 181 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: Why that? Because that seems to me like it would 182 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: take a lot of time and a lot of energy 183 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: both to do but also to promote. 184 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, writing of everything I do is the hardest, and 185 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 3: writing books is the hardest, which is probably why I 186 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 3: love it because I kind of love challenges where I'm like, 187 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: I don't know this is gonna be good by the end, 188 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 3: but let's see. But I used to write all the 189 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 3: time as a kid. I write these short stories and 190 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 3: I was always a voracious reader. And so for me, 191 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 3: if I could only do one thing for the rest 192 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 3: of my life, it would be an author. 193 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 2: I love would you No. 194 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 4: I would do it from Brooklyn forever. But yeah. 195 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: I just find that book lovers are just like some 196 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 3: of my favorite kind of people because you're just dorky 197 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 3: in a way that they like don't even care. They're like, 198 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: we just love books, and like we don't care, like 199 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 3: how nerdy. 200 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 4: This makes us. 201 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 3: And so when you just share that love with other 202 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 3: people when you're traveling, like, it's always really fun. So 203 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 3: the promotional part of it is really great. And so 204 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 3: I kind of missed it this last time around because 205 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 3: of the pandemic. When't get to do like a proper 206 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 3: book tour. So I was a little bit bummed about that. 207 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 3: But the first the first two books, it was just 208 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 3: like the best. 209 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: What is a book tour? Like, what do you do? 210 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: You go sign it, go to the mall. 211 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 3: You do do book signings at different bookstores. I tried 212 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 3: to do a lot of indie bookstores, and then you know, 213 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 3: you have like I don't know, two hundred people come out, 214 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: maybe three hundred people, and then you do like a 215 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 3: Q and A take pictures, and then I always just 216 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 3: end up buying more books. My apartment is thirty seven 217 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 3: percent books. Wow, it's a lot of books. 218 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: Okay, I got it, I gotta I'm going to pitch 219 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: you real quick. A game that we just started to play, okay, 220 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: which is really fun where you go up to a 221 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: bookshelf and let's say you got like four or five 222 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: people there, yeah, right, and you pick a book and 223 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 2: you read what the description of the book is, okay, 224 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: and then everybody writes the first sentence of the book 225 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: what they've imagined the first sentence of the book book, 226 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: and in the mix is also the actual real sentence 227 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: of the book that the person that book picked the book. 228 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: We'll also write that down, put it in a big 229 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: you know, hat, and mix it up, and then you 230 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: just read them out loud, and everybody votes on what 231 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 2: they think the actual first sentence of the book is. Now, 232 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: it seems like a kind of a silly, dumb thing. 233 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: It's so fun, so fun, because people write the most 234 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: amazing stuff, but you you would just be it's I 235 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: don't know, it's it's really really interesting and sometimes you 236 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 2: even so if somebody picks yours, you feel like, you know, 237 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: and then if you get the right the right one right, 238 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 2: you know, anyway. 239 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 4: That's cool. This is a game you created. 240 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 2: Did not create a note. We were at someone's house 241 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: and after dinner. They said, you want to play this 242 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 2: game and there's no winners. You know, I guess you 243 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 2: could probably score it if you wanted to, But it's 244 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: not really like that. That's just yeah. 245 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I like those kind of games because I'm competitive. 246 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 3: I hate to lose, so sometimes it's not fun. 247 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, well this would be well you if you really 248 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 2: wanted to turn it into a competition. I guess you 249 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 2: could maybe if you got points for getting the right 250 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 2: one or something that. Do you love your name? 251 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 4: Yes, I really do. I think it's a very pretty name. 252 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 3: You don't meet a lot of black Phoebe's, so I 253 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 3: feel I've yet to meet a black Phoebe. 254 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 4: Actually. 255 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 2: Do you know why I love your name? 256 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 4: Why? 257 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 2: Well, first off, it's just the coolest name. But and 258 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: also I have it by way of comparison because I 259 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: hate my name. I hate everything about it. 260 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 4: Why what's wrong with Kevin? 261 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: Kevin is an awful name? Kevin is first off, Kevin 262 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 2: is now being used as a male Karen. I don't 263 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 2: know if you're aware of that. Okay, so right there. 264 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 2: It's not great. In England. Sometimes they use it as 265 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: an insult, you know, like he said, Kevin. You know 266 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: meaning like he's just an a hole. I don't mind keV. 267 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: But then you add to it bacon, which is it's 268 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: a breakfast food, you know, involves slaughtering and curing pigs, 269 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 2: which I love pigs, and you it's a there's a 270 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: lifetime of of you know, insults around your breakfast food name. 271 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: But the thing about this is what I think about 272 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: when I think about Phoebe Robinson. I've got Phoebe Snow. 273 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 3: Yes, that is Jackie Robinson. My dad named me after Phoebe. 274 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: Okay, really, see, I don't I don't know if you 275 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: told me that. 276 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 4: I never told you that. 277 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that's what goes into my head. Phoebe Snow, 278 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 2: Jackie Robinson. It's just it's a great it's a great name. Congratulations, 279 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: Thank you. 280 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 3: There's going to be a great white Kevin out there, 281 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 3: that's besides you. 282 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: There are no great white Kevins. That's gonna be. Maybe 283 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: that should be. Maybe that should be my book, The 284 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 2: Great White Captain. 285 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 4: I will buy that, I will publish that. I would 286 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 4: do all the things. That's hilarious. 287 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: I want to know how did you come up with 288 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: the name, your company and a book tiny reparations. 289 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 3: So that actually started as a little bit of a 290 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: joke that Jessica and I had when we had towed 291 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 3: up Queens, because I would always be like, Okay, listen, 292 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 3: you and I like we haven't done anything to like 293 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 3: truly advance black people. So like we're not going to 294 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 3: get like financial reparations, but we can get like tiny reparations, 295 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 3: like small things like a free like phone and a 296 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 3: gift bag or something that's like a tiny reparation. 297 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: Okay. 298 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 4: And I just thought, with my production. 299 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 3: Company and my my publishing imprint, like I want to 300 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 3: use both of those as like platforms for like other 301 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 3: you know, under like represented voices to have their own platform. 302 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 3: And so for me, it's like that's my way of 303 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 3: giving back, Like that's my tiny reparation. Painting Forward. 304 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: It's a great It's a great name because it is 305 00:14:51,760 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: both provocative, you know, potentially controversial, and also you know, 306 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 2: knowing you, it kind of has a sense of humor 307 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: around it, you know what I mean? 308 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: You get it, Kevin. If you don't write this damn book, 309 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 3: I swear to God, should you should write a book? 310 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 4: Would you ever do it? 311 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: No? I would do Why not? Because I'm not a writer. 312 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: You know, I can't write a three minute song. But 313 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: I can't. I can't write a book. 314 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 3: We'll talk offline. But a lot of these people are 315 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 3: writing their own books. 316 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: But yeah, no, okay, I don't know. 317 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 4: I think you should do. 318 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 3: I think you're very interesting. I think you're not overexposed, 319 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 3: so people want to hear what. 320 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 4: You have to say. You don't think I'm over exposed, No, 321 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 4: I don't. 322 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: I think you're in that sweet spot of being beloved. 323 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: That's what I think. 324 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: M Yeah, well maybe after they read the book, that's 325 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 2: going to wane a little once they see that I 326 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: can't write it all. But thank you for that, thank 327 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 2: you for that vote of confidence. I will I will 328 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: start thinking about it. I mean, I guess my my 329 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: resistance to it is a little bit like, see, your 330 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: books are are different because they are specifically about like 331 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: individual kind of concepts. You're not stopping at age sixty 332 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: five and saying, let me tell you all about my 333 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: glorious life. You know what I mean. It's like it's 334 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: like for me, first off, I don't think it's that interesting. Really, 335 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: I mean, it hasn't been you know, there just hasn't 336 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: been stuff that's that interesting in my life. And I 337 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 2: also kind of feel like it's a little I don't know, 338 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: it's just not my thing. 339 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 3: But also money, you know, like you would get a 340 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 3: lot really Yeah, hang. 341 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: On, hit the cough butt in. 342 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 4: That sweet case. 343 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me about your involvement with Red. 344 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: I'm curious, Okay, I love talking about Red. I could 345 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 3: talk about it all the time. So growing up, two 346 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 3: things people who know about me. As a teenager, I 347 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: was obsessed with you too, probably started at age thirteen. 348 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 4: I know that, Yes, you know that. 349 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 3: And I would always after school, I would come home 350 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 3: and watch Oprah like many people do. And you know, 351 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 3: I always sort of follow like Bono's sort of like 352 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: philanthropic work. And then he was on Oprah talking about Red, 353 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 3: which he co founded with Bobby Bobby Shriver. And you know, 354 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 3: first of all, Bono is like just a brilliant, brilliant person, 355 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 3: biggest heart. I was hoping he's gonna be my husband, 356 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 3: but he's just like married to like the best person ever. 357 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 2: So I started watching this great show called. 358 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 4: Badis his daughter's daughter. 359 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: I didn't know it was his daughter, and somebody somebody 360 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: told me, oh, yeah, that show is banging I love 361 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: that show anyway, go ahead, and she's awesome in it. Yeah, 362 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: if she's listening. 363 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 3: What this family too talented? That's what I gotta say 364 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 3: that we gotta bring We got to bring them. 365 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 4: Down a notch. 366 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 3: That's what this podcast is really about. No, No, it's okay, 367 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 3: but yeah. So, you know, I remember Donald talking about 368 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 3: Red and just sort of like raising all this awareness 369 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 3: about fighting AIDS in Africa, and you know, of course 370 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 3: we all remember like the Red Gap T shirts or 371 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 3: even like now have like the red like iPhone case, 372 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 3: and it just really I think I've kind of always 373 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 3: come from a do gooder family, like my brother does 374 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 3: works at a nonprofit in Ohio called Reading Partners, and 375 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 3: so I really just resonated with the passion that he 376 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 3: expressed about Red and sort of like making sure that 377 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 3: we keep fighting the injustices that are happening, making sure 378 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 3: that people can get the medicine they need to stay alive. 379 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 3: And I think one of the things that really stuck 380 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 3: out to me about Red is that they partner with 381 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 3: other brands to raise his money, and people can buy 382 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 3: certain Red theme products so they can feel like they're participating. 383 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 3: But most I feel what I love about RED is 384 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 3: that it's not just like okay, like you give this money, 385 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 3: you like save a life. It's about making sure that 386 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 3: people have really full, nuanced lives so they can go 387 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 3: on like have families, be teachers. 388 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 4: We have like a lot of them become global health workers. 389 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 3: So if you have someone who's in this fight on 390 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 3: the ground, like they have all this knowledge that they 391 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 3: can then help continue this fight. And so for me, 392 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 3: it just always felt like this is an emergency. And 393 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 3: I think sometimes people can feel like, Okay, yeah, we've 394 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 3: talked about or we've heard about it, let's move on, 395 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 3: and it's like no, no, no, no. 396 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 4: We have to keep the foot on the gas. 397 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 3: And I really love that RED is making sure that 398 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 3: we do not forget how much of an emergency it 399 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 3: is to fight HIV and AIDS. 400 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 2: That's amazing. Well, I want to bring on Jennifer Lo Tito, 401 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 2: who is the president and coo. Oh what a coo 402 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: Chief Operating Officer. Yeah, I've read. One of the things 403 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 2: we'd like to do on this podcast is we do have, 404 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 2: you know, famous people who care about things, but we 405 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 2: also want to highlight the work that the not famous 406 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 2: people are doing behind the scenes. And on the ground 407 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 2: because it is important work. So tell me about yourself 408 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 2: and how you got involved with this. 409 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I want to thank you so 410 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 5: much for having me here. This is a dream come true. 411 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 5: You guys have known each other, obviously, we've never met. 412 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 5: I can now say I have one degree of separation 413 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 5: from Kevin Bacon. I'm sure that's the most annoying thing 414 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 5: anybody says to you. 415 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 4: Yes, annoying. 416 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 2: I mean the podcast is called six Degrees. I mean, 417 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 2: I can't complain too much. 418 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I'll also be the name of his book that. 419 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 5: Phoebe will be ghostwriting. 420 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: Yes, there you go. 421 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 4: Oh that'd be great. 422 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 5: No, I'm a huge podcast fan, so I'm really excited 423 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 5: to be here today. Uh yeah, I mean I got 424 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 5: into this. I started my career in advertising, and I 425 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 5: spent my time from voting everything from an American Express 426 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 5: card to General Motors Trucks IBM, and I sort of 427 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 5: felt like, what am I doing small children at the time, 428 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 5: and I thought to myself, this is just making money 429 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 5: for the man. And I thought, how do I take 430 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 5: my skills and use them for something good? And the 431 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 5: irony is that what Red does is so marketing and 432 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 5: creative focused. As Phoebe talked about, this is about getting 433 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 5: the man to make the contribution. So when you walk 434 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 5: into an Apple phone and you buy a red iPhone 435 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 5: instead of a black one, it's going to cost exactly 436 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 5: the same, it's going to work exactly the same. But 437 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 5: when you choose the red one, that makes Apple give 438 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 5: the money. I think that's kind of genius. And when 439 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 5: you think about it, and when. 440 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: Bond, how long has that been going on? By the way, so. 441 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 5: RED was started about sixteen years ago and I've been 442 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 5: doing this for about fourteen so it's been a long 443 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 5: time and it's a very unique model. I think there's 444 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 5: a lot of things out there, whether it's Newman's own 445 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 5: or there's a lot that's happening when you think about 446 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 5: corporate social responsibility, which I hate that name, but what 447 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 5: RED wants to do is go in and talk to 448 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 5: the marketing and creative geniuses at these companies. We know 449 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 5: they're there and we want them to be fighting on 450 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 5: behalf of the world's port and that's what we're doing. 451 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 5: So when I left the advertising business and came here, 452 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 5: I knew I was going to be able to take 453 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 5: my skills and apply them to having the impact that 454 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 5: Phoebe just talked about. So for me not only as 455 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 5: being here today a dream come true. I like to 456 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 5: think that my job is too. 457 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: How do you think that celebrities such as Phoebe kind 458 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: of fit into this mix? Because I think sometimes it's 459 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: a touchy kind of, you know world. I think a 460 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: lot of times, you know, we take hits for being 461 00:22:55,160 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 2: sort of peripherally involved in things and also for using 462 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 2: this you know, kind of cause based side of your 463 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 2: life as a way to you know, pump up your 464 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: image in some kind of way. So how how does 465 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 2: that this is really for both of you? How how 466 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: do you feel about the way that celebrity can interface 467 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 2: with causes. 468 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 5: It's tricky and it's gotten harder. I would say all 469 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,479 Speaker 5: celebrities are under a massive microscope, which is a good 470 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 5: thing and a bad thing. I think Red never wants 471 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 5: anybody to join because of the celebrity factor. But then 472 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 5: at the same time, right, you want everybody to have integrity, 473 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 5: You want everybody to do this because they believe in 474 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 5: the mission. I think that's a little Pollyanna. I think 475 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 5: you've got to get you need people like Phoebe and others, 476 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 5: and we've been blessed at Red to have this, and 477 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 5: you know it comes from our co founders that have 478 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 5: helped enable this. 479 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 4: You need the heat. 480 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 5: You need the heat that people like Oprah, as Phoebe 481 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 5: talked about, that they can bring to this issue. Unfortunately, 482 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 5: we live in a celebrity obsessed culture, so we need 483 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 5: that to get people to give a hoot. As Phoebe said, also, 484 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 5: it is people are tired of AIDS, they're tired of 485 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 5: talking about it. They want it to just be done. Unfortunately, 486 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 5: it's still a crisis. There's still twelve thousand people dying 487 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 5: every week of a disease that's preventable and treatable. So 488 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 5: you know, there's nobody that should be dying in this 489 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 5: day and age in twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three. 490 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 5: We know how to stop it, and we know how 491 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 5: to suppress it enough that you can leave lead along 492 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 5: healthy life. We need people who can help us tell 493 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 5: that story, and that's exactly what we're doing today. But 494 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 5: that's also you know, whether you're George Clooney or your 495 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 5: you know, Julia Roberts or other people, we have been 496 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 5: blessed or Oprah Winfrey, other people we have been blessed 497 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 5: to help get our message out there. After sixteen years, 498 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 5: you've got to keep doing it. And I think for us, 499 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 5: what's also really really important is that, unfortunately with AIDS, 500 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 5: as we saw with COVID, there are marginalized communities that 501 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 5: are being affected more so than others. So whether you're LGBT, 502 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 5: whether you're young women and girls, those are people who 503 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 5: we need to connect with and we need to support, 504 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 5: and we need to get people to care about and 505 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 5: that just gets harder and harder. So you need people 506 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 5: who are invested, and you need brands that are invested. 507 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 5: I don't want a brand to come to me and 508 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 5: say I want this is when you know the phone 509 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 5: call is just going to end. I have this great idea, 510 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 5: I want to give this much money and will Bono 511 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 5: come and sing at my party. No, that's that's not strategic. 512 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 5: That is one off. That's very opportunistic. We need people 513 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 5: who are invested in this for the long haul. 514 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 2: It's interesting because that is a very very different ask 515 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 2: than actually believing in the cause. And yeah, it's it's 516 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: it's it's it's a it's not just quit pro quo. 517 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 2: You know there is a different There is a different 518 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 2: approach for sure. 519 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: If you are inspired by today's episode, please join us 520 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: in supporting six degrees dot org by texting the word 521 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: bacon to seven zero seven zero seven zero. Your gift 522 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: empowers us to continue to produce programs that highlight the 523 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: incredible work of everyday heroes, will also enabling us to 524 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: provide essential resources to those that need it the most. 525 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: Once again, text b a con to seven zero seven 526 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: zero seven zero or visit SixDegrees dot org to learn more. 527 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 2: What is the focus right now globally and what does 528 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 2: the actual work on the ground look like. 529 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 5: So the reason why Red focuses in Sub Saharan Africa 530 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 5: sub Saharan Africa is because over two thirds of the 531 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 5: cases of HIV that's where they live. So that is 532 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 5: where the need is the greatest. It obviously exists here, 533 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 5: It exists here in New York City, it exists in Washington, 534 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 5: DC and other places. But really, when you look at 535 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 5: the problem now where the majority of the cases are. 536 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 5: So we need to get into those countries on the 537 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 5: ground in Africa and get people tested if they're positive, 538 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 5: get them on treatment, and making sure that if they're 539 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 5: a HIV positive mother, they're on treatment, their baby will 540 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 5: be born negative. But also if you're on treatment, there 541 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 5: is almost a triple whammy because you end up being 542 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 5: healthy and can live a healthy life your partner, your 543 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 5: viral load is suppressed to the degree that you're not 544 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 5: passing it on to your partner, and then if you 545 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 5: have children, they will be born healthy. So we really 546 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 5: need to get out there. We've got to get people tested. 547 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 5: We've got to work on programs that are addressing stigma 548 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 5: issues that are stopping people from getting tested. We also 549 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 5: have to recognize the impact of COVID. Over the past 550 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 5: two years, you can see in clinical. 551 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 2: COVID increase the amount of cases of AIDS or decreased. 552 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 5: What I would say is it's impacted the progress of 553 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 5: HIV AIDS because people were not getting tested, if they 554 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 5: were fearful of going into a clinic because they might 555 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 5: get COVID while they were there. Sure they need if 556 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 5: you are jav positive, you have to stay on treatment 557 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 5: every single day. They maybe weren't going in to get 558 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 5: their meds, and so for us there has been an impact. 559 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 5: And also your healthcare system is taxed. We saw this 560 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 5: in New York City. 561 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 2: What about the manufacturing of drugs. 562 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 5: The manufacturing is continuing. We just got to make sure 563 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 5: that we're getting people to get on the drugs and 564 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 5: stay on the drugs. You know, Phoebe and I were 565 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 5: recently in Tanzania, and you see these stories of health 566 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 5: systems that just are not able to keep track of 567 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 5: people and you've got to adhere to your treatment and 568 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 5: that's really critical. So what we're seeing on the ground 569 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 5: is really great progress that may be stymied by COVID, 570 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 5: but we know how to do this. We just need 571 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 5: to keep that foot on the gas and make sure 572 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 5: we're doing that. 573 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 2: Peve, tell me about the trip to Tanzania. 574 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I've been lucky enough to go twice. 575 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 3: I went due to trips to Africa with Red and 576 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 3: twenty nineteen I did Zambia and then we did Tanzania, 577 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 3: like very recently, And for me, what was always great 578 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 3: about it was, yes, you could see, you know, the 579 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 3: impact is having health wise, but then it's like you 580 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 3: meet people who get on the drugs and then they 581 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 3: start their own businesses and so then you can see 582 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 3: that it's not just about staying alive, but it's about 583 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 3: having a long, rich life, and so for me that 584 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 3: was always very powerful, especially seeing women overcome so much 585 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 3: strifed to now be financially independent, to be up to 586 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 3: date on all things in terms of their own health 587 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 3: and passing that information along. And so for me, it's 588 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 3: always a very enriching experience to go, oh, yeah, that's right, 589 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 3: Just this one pill radiates out and like it can 590 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 3: help rebuild a community. And I think that's sometimes when 591 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 3: Jim was talking about people getting feeling the fatigue of 592 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 3: talking about AIDS, it's like we have to stay invigorated 593 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 3: because it's like we don't want these community needs to 594 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 3: die out. It's not just one person, it's tons of people. 595 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 3: And so with both trips, I felt like going to 596 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 3: the hospitals, going to these women led businesses, going to 597 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 3: these after school programming programs that are teaching young kids 598 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 3: about sex and sex health. I mean, it's just it's 599 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 3: like once in a lifetime experience, and I think once 600 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 3: you go, there's no way you're not going to be 601 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 3: passionate about it. 602 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 2: Well, I think you mentioned something and I and you 603 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 2: mentioned it as well, which is the educational piece of 604 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 2: it is also like super important. I mean I've heard, 605 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: you know that people have just a complete misunderstanding of 606 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 2: both about the ways you can get AIDS and whether 607 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 2: what the what the ramifications are of it. Not to 608 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 2: mention the stigma of shame. I mean, I would think 609 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: that there has to be a lot of kind of 610 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 2: training around that. 611 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 5: But I think when we were in Tanzania, we went 612 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 5: to this very rural Massi village and we met a 613 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 5: father there whose daughter was HIV positive, was in a 614 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 5: terrible marriage. He was supporting the daughter, which is unheard of, 615 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 5: so the daughter ended up leaving her husband, unheard of 616 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 5: in the Massi village that we were in, and then 617 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,959 Speaker 5: helping everybody in the village understand, hey, there's a clinic 618 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 5: down the street, down the road, you need to get tested. 619 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 5: There is treatment available. You know, in a lot of 620 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 5: these very rural places, there's herbal medicines or remedies that 621 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 5: they think about and it's like no, no, no, no, you 622 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 5: got to get in there. And so what's incredible is 623 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 5: to go on the ground and see that there is 624 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,479 Speaker 5: these types of small impacts. When you think about a 625 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 5: tribal leader, a village leader and him talking about I 626 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 5: want my daughter to be safe. I want her to 627 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 5: be in school, I want her children to be in school, 628 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 5: and I want to tell everybody about it. That is 629 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,959 Speaker 5: pretty unheard of, and that's the type of stuff that 630 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 5: you're not going to see anywhere. And I think you 631 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 5: know a lot of us we've lived this. We've seen it, 632 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 5: you know, in the eighties and nineties, and we saw 633 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 5: the entertainment industry, in the theater industry decimated by this virus. 634 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 5: We're not seeing that. We see people who are HIV 635 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 5: positive in their living their lives. But everybody should have 636 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 5: that opportunity. And that's really what we're focused on. 637 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing. Can you tell us what the call 638 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 2: to action is? I mean, anything specific that people can 639 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 2: do to reach out and help. 640 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 5: Absolutely. I think we live in a digital age, so 641 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 5: it's always about going to red dot org. We are 642 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 5: always about buying red products. If you walk into an 643 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 5: Apple store, there are red jeeps. Also, there are red 644 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 5: fiats if you're in Europe. I don't know if it 645 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 5: will be heard in Europe, but red jeeps, red ram trucks. 646 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 5: We've got, like I said, Apple watches, Apple products. 647 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 2: Does this mean that they've agreed to give a percentage 648 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 2: of the money sold on that phone or that truck. 649 00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 5: Exactly exactly. 650 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I wish there was a Yeah, I 651 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: mean that. Well, I mean this is how we're doing it. Yeah, folks, 652 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: ask ask for your whatever it is in red. Yes, 653 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 2: red looks great. Red dot org. And you know what 654 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 2: if if you wanted your phone in a different color, 655 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: just put it in a case. 656 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 5: Put it in a red case, exactly like Phoebe's got 657 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 5: right here. 658 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 4: I have a purple phone inside a red case. 659 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 5: Well, it should be a red phone inside a red case. 660 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:23,719 Speaker 5: But we'll work on that. 661 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 4: When we leave, Phoebe, I've just been kicked out. 662 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, but no, I mean going onto red dot org. 663 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 5: What's really important for us is people to follow us, 664 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 5: hear about the latest news, so that when we launch 665 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 5: new products, they can hear about it and see them 666 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 5: and buy them. And at the end of the day, 667 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 5: that's what this is all about. In September, this makes 668 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 5: me nervous to even say it. In September, when the 669 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 5: world came together for the Global Fund replenishment, the Global 670 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 5: Fund being the beneficiary of all our money, we stepped 671 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 5: up with world leaders. I think we were the fourteenth 672 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 5: largest pledge amongst other countries, and we pledged one hundred 673 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 5: and fifty million dollars to be generated over the next years. 674 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 5: We've already generated seven hundred million, So God helped me. 675 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,239 Speaker 5: We have a lot of work to do, but I 676 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 5: am thrilled to be working with Phoebe and others who 677 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 5: are helping us do it. 678 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 2: That's so great. Well, you know, it's interesting. I mean 679 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 2: when I think about this, this idea for this podcast. 680 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 2: You know, Phoebe, you were you two fan and then 681 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 2: so you were pretty much checking out everything that Bonna 682 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 2: was doing, including being on Oprah where you heard about 683 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 2: about red and therefore got involved. So it's it's a 684 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 2: pretty good example of the way that celebrity, you know, 685 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 2: actually can have a positive influence. And I mean, if 686 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 2: it worked for you, you know, I mean, it's I 687 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 2: think can work for other people too. I think it's 688 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 2: I think it's really it's really cool and it's really 689 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 2: impressive about it. We just want before we close out 690 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 2: to let you guys go, But I want to ask 691 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 2: you both if you can think of what was the 692 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 2: what was the moment or was there a moment when 693 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 2: you decided that doing something outside of just taking care 694 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 2: of number one. You know, was something that you wanted 695 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 2: to get involved with? Was it your parents? Was it 696 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 2: Bono on Oprah? I mean yeah. 697 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 3: I mean I've been doing comedy since two thousand and eight, 698 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 3: and you know, when I started working with Red, I 699 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 3: want to say in twenty seventeen, and I think around 700 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 3: that time, like two both the Queens was starting to 701 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 3: pop off, and I was doing some writing stuff, and 702 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 3: you know, I would get these messages like, oh, I 703 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 3: listened to the podcast and it helped me and my 704 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 3: sick mom get through like the holidays or what have you. 705 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 3: And like you get those messages, you kind of go, oh, 706 00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 3: I have a platform here that it's not just like, yes, 707 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,720 Speaker 3: people listen to laugh and be entertained and forget their problems, 708 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 3: but it's like people could also potentially listen to what 709 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 3: I have to say and that could make a positive impact. 710 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,479 Speaker 3: And me already being involved, being obsessed with Red and 711 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 3: bonoing you too, I was just like, is there any 712 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 3: way that I can help? I will do whatever, And 713 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 3: so I really just came knocking on the door and 714 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 3: I said, what do you need of me? 715 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 4: Like how can I get involved? 716 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 3: And it's been in great relationships since, and so I 717 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 3: feel like, for me, I just am in a place 718 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 3: where I'm like, I have such a blessed life, such 719 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,919 Speaker 3: a lucky life, and I just want to make sure 720 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 3: that I'm giving some of that back. 721 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 4: I don't want to hoard it all, you know. 722 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 2: And Jen, you mentioned that you were kind of, you know, 723 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 2: working in corporate America. But before that, was there something 724 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 2: in your childhood or that that sent you down this path? 725 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 2: You know. 726 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 5: It's interesting because I grew up in Boston and it 727 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 5: was actually I was raised the opposite. I was raised 728 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 5: by I don't want to say a concern a family, 729 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,240 Speaker 5: but my family was very much of the pull yourself 730 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 5: up by your bootstraps. You don't need the government, you 731 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 5: don't need to take any handouts. You're just going to 732 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 5: get it done yourself. And so I actually grew up 733 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 5: with the opposite, and I thought that's the way everybody was. 734 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 5: And then I met my late husband, and he had 735 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 5: a mom who had MS and he was living based 736 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 5: on government support because you know, his father worked in 737 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 5: a printing factory and they did not have much money 738 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 5: and his mother needed twenty four seven care. And I 739 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 5: realized in that moment. This isn't about handouts. This is 740 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 5: about they have this incredible family and all of them 741 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 5: came together around his mother, but what they were in 742 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 5: a tough situation and thank god the government was able 743 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,280 Speaker 5: to help them. And what's interesting is then my parents 744 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,280 Speaker 5: met my husband and his family, and I would say, now, 745 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 5: my parents are totally diff They completely understand. They loved 746 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 5: Mike and they loved his family, and you know, they 747 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 5: were just in a horrible circumstance. That's nobody's fault. And 748 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 5: so I think that was the moment where I thought 749 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 5: to myself, what am I doing? And also having kids, 750 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 5: I think when you are going to leave all day 751 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 5: and be at a job, you want it to be 752 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 5: something that you love. But it's also want to be 753 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 5: something that your kids can look up to you for. 754 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 5: And for me, Red provided me with that opportunity. They 755 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 5: know that when I go on a trip to Africa 756 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 5: and I when they were really young and I was 757 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 5: doing that, that was hard, but I felt okay about 758 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,359 Speaker 5: it because I saw the impact and I want to hope, 759 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 5: even though they're cranky teenagers, I do want to hope 760 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 5: that it made an impact. 761 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 2: It did it? 762 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 5: Did I hope. 763 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,439 Speaker 2: So yeah, it did. 764 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. I want to say one more thing about RED 765 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 3: that I really love, if I may course, But I 766 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 3: think one of the things that really resonated with me 767 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 3: and maybe want to get involved, is that it's not 768 00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 3: a charity. 769 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 4: It's not like you says about handouts. 770 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 3: Is about justice and sort of right sizing everything and 771 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 3: giving people the opportunity to be educated so then they 772 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 3: can then stand on their own two feet. And I 773 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,240 Speaker 3: think that, to me is what makes RED so special, 774 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 3: is that it's not about having people being dependent on Red. 775 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 3: It's about being like, here's this information, here's this knowledge, 776 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,839 Speaker 3: here's this money, and now you go forth and build 777 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 3: the communities that you want to build and to empower 778 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 3: people like that I think is really important is how 779 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 3: we're going to beat. 780 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 5: This and just going to take my job and it's 781 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 5: all good. 782 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 2: Well, speaking of jobs, when you go to work tomorrow, 783 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 2: what are. 784 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,399 Speaker 5: You going to do when I go, Well, World Dad's 785 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 5: Day is on is on Thursday, So I'm going to 786 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 5: probably do some media and I will talk to our 787 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 5: partners and make sure they're doing everything that they are 788 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 5: that they can to get out there and spread the 789 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 5: word about RED, just as we're doing, and also bringing 790 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 5: new brands in. We've got to really engage people and 791 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 5: bring in new audiences and all of that is a 792 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 5: way to get people to care. 793 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 2: Soies. Besides, if anyone who actually has a brand is 794 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 2: listening to this, that's another thing you can do besides 795 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 2: buying a Red iPhone or Reggie. If you're a brand, 796 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,439 Speaker 2: you can you can get in touch. 797 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 5: You can write to the brand and say why aren't 798 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 5: you a Red partner? 799 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,280 Speaker 2: There you go, there you go, And what's up for you? Thieves? 800 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 2: What's next? 801 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, my brage is chrismas Christmas? 802 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, relaxing. 803 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 3: I have an idea for a romantic comedy nice, So 804 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 3: I'm going to write that and then I'm going to 805 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 3: start back doing toriri and stand up. I haven't toured 806 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,959 Speaker 3: since twenty nineteen because you know, obviously COVID shut everything down. 807 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 3: Now I'm ready to get back on the road and 808 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 3: tell smart dick jokes. 809 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,839 Speaker 2: Okay, I like it. Twenty twenty three, twenty twenty three, 810 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,280 Speaker 2: Smart Dick Jokes, Phoebe Robinson, it's the Smart Dick Jokes 811 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 2: Tour Ladies. 812 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 4: Yes, there you go, that's the title in a thousand. 813 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, Thank you guys so much. This has been really fun. 814 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 2: Thank you appreciate your being Hey guys. If you want 815 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 2: to learn more about RED and its current initiatives, or 816 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 2: if you are a brand that's interested in collaborating with them, 817 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 2: head to red dot org. 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