1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to another Jaguars media round table. My name is J. P. Shaddick. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: And our guests today or Hayes, Carlina Tin Texel, gonna 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: see Heyes, good to see JP, Mike Do Rocko ESPN 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: always happy to be here. Good to see you man, 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for coming in. We've just heard from Doug Morone 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: on Wednesday of week to the Jags heading to Houston. 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: The biggest story around this team right now is Gardner 8 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: Minshew after his performance last week filling in for Nick Foles, 9 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: And the question we've had kind of bandied about and 10 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: on shows earlier this week is okay, if it folds 11 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: his back November, that's eight games. What is the Jaguars 12 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 1: record in those eight games? You can't predict that. But 13 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: what are you expecting from Gardner? And can you really 14 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: expect what he did Sunday over and over again from 15 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: a rookie. I don't know. No, I'm expecting him to 16 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: be poised. I'm expecting him not to panic, which to 17 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: me was the most impressive thing about what he did 18 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: against the Chiefs. Um, but I mean it's asking a lot. 19 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: This is a tough stretch on the schedule for them. Um. 20 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: You know, teams are gonna have tape on Gardner Minshew. Uh, 21 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: they're gonna blitch the heck out of Gardner Minshew. And 22 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: you know they're gonna have to rely on other guys 23 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: to make plays. But the bigger problem is they may 24 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: have to rely on Gardner Minshew to put up a 25 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: ton of points if that defense is going to be 26 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: what we saw week one, and that is really asking 27 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: way too much of a rookie quarterback, a sixth round 28 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: kid that you you never hope you you drafted with 29 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: the hope he never played. It was so devastating seeing 30 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: Nick get hurt because on the touchdown throw was everything 31 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: that you'd hoped you'd see from when they signed him. 32 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it was playing above the xs and ohs 33 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: in terms of the decision. Uh, it was incredibly accurate throw. Uh. 34 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: And and then it's just it's it just devastates you 35 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: to see, uh see him go down. For eight weeks. 36 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: Having said that, I mean, I thought, you know, Gardner 37 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: Minshew was incredible, and you know, they have been raved 38 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: about Gardner Minshew's mental acumen since the day they drafted him, 39 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: and I thought it was interesting today. Uh, you know, 40 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: Doug was asked about Gardner's ability to process and take 41 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: things from the classroom and and and executed immediately out 42 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: on the field, and Doug Moron compared it to a 43 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: guy that can run a four three forty. I mean 44 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: that speaks volumes. I mean there aren't a lot of 45 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: guys in this league that run a four three forty. 46 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: So if Doug Maron is basically saying, look, this is 47 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: a gift, it's God given, and comparing it to something 48 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: that very few players in the NFL can do, that's 49 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: gotta at least give you some encouragement that Gardner Minshew 50 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: can do enough that to Dorocco's point, if the defense 51 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: does show improvement, maybe they can go four and four 52 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: over the next dight and he can hand Nick Foles 53 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: a team that's still in playoff contention. Comes Nick off 54 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: the bench again like he's done in Philly the last 55 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: couple of years. Hey's Carlin Tintin XL and Mike Roco ESPN. 56 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: The problem though on defense this week, well, all these 57 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: guys on the injury report, I mean they can God 58 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: Quais not practicing on Wednesday, Lais Campbell is not practicing 59 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: on Wednesday, Marcel Darius missed last week's game. He's still listed. 60 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: What it looks like he's gonna try to go a 61 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: little bit this week. You gotta get home on a 62 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: quarterback at some point. And this is an offensive line 63 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: that they, you know, feel like they can make hay On. 64 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: Maybe that's a problem, right, I mean you mentioned a 65 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: d rock last week given up forty guys are running free. 66 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: But this week it's about boy getting in that backfield 67 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: as a pass rush. Yeah, it's limiting the damage that 68 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson is going to do. I mean, and we 69 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: saw him. The problem with facing Deshaun Watson is even 70 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: if you get home and you can get there and 71 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: hit him, you still may not be able to do 72 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: anything about what he does to you. We saw it 73 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: against the Saints the other night. I mean, they battered 74 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: the living heck out of him. And I saw a 75 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: stat that he's been hit more times I guess this 76 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: includes sax and everything, more times per game and his 77 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: career than any other quarterback in the NFL. And and 78 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: and they've still won the division and made the playoffs 79 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: three in the last four years. Now. Obviously all wasn't 80 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: with with DeShawn but they've got that first game in 81 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: seventeen set the tone for this team. They got in 82 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: there and when he got in they still were able 83 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: to press on them. But that was his first game 84 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: as a rookie. So I it's it should scare the 85 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: heck out of you. Facing Deshaun Watson this week with 86 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: a limited Unique and Gockway and a limited Calais camp scary. 87 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: If they don't have Unnckway and Calais Campbell, then they 88 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: have to win a shootout, I would imagine, and I 89 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: think that's gonna be incredibly difficult. Uh, even if Gardner 90 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: mins you plays well. So it's it's incredibly concerning. Hopefully 91 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: they will be able to be active on on Sunday 92 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: and get their normal snap counts. I you know, Doug 93 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: Moron just compared DeShawn Watson to an m v P. 94 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, and look, I mean he had is 95 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: as great as um Patrick Mahomes played Sunday against the Jaguars. 96 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: I mean, Deshaun Watson what he was able to do 97 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: Monday night, executing a two play, seventy five yard touchdown 98 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: drive and thirteen atck Ins on the road. That is 99 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: the kind of thing, uh, that that wins you the 100 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: m v P. If Bill O'Brien had put him at 101 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: corner instead of Aaron Colvin, they probably win the game. Still, 102 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: employed who knows At this point, Um, are you concerned 103 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: about the all the extracurricular stuff last week? Is this 104 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: gonna be a trend from this football team. I think 105 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: it is a trend until they show six seven games 106 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: where nothing happens. And and that's the thing. Like, I 107 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: like that Myles Jack owned it. Uh. I like that 108 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: he stuck around and and you know, wanted to meet 109 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: with the media so that he could apologize for it. Uh. 110 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: And you know that's what that's that's a that's a 111 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: great sign that it won't happen again. But I think 112 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: now it's there's just too much evidence that says that 113 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: this is a team that loses it's cool too often. 114 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: So if we can get to November without any other 115 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: you know, instances of it, then yeah, I'll start believing 116 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: that they are becoming more of a discipline team. But like, 117 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: you know, the holding penalties, I can understand that. You know, 118 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: that's particularly from Juwan Taylor's football. Yeah, that's football. But 119 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: you know, the fighting, getting ejected, that's just things that 120 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: that can't happen. And so I think until we see 121 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: a long you know, a long period where there's no 122 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: instances of it, it's hard to believe that they have 123 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: learned their lesson and they're going to play discipline football. Yeah, 124 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: this is the recommend It's a defense that plays with 125 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: a lot of swagger and all that. When it's going well, 126 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: that's fine. When you're down two or three touchdowns and 127 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: you're taunting guys, that's kind of the book on this team. 128 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: Sometimes it doesn't go well. Yeah, and and look, I 129 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: actually wrote it today, this this team's discipline problem. Um, 130 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: I looked it up. And when it comes to discipline penalties, 131 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: which is you know, face mask, personal files, taunting, that 132 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Um, they lead the NFL and those 133 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: penalties since two thousand eighteen started and that's nineteen by 134 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: the defense, and only Miami has had more, um fifty 135 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: discipline penalties third motion the league since two thousand and seventeen, 136 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: and thirty six of those have come from the defense. 137 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: That's a problem. Now you overlook it, and fans overlooked it, 138 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: and no one really cared when they were doing well. 139 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: Go in ten and six and two thousand and seventeen. 140 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: But it's a problem they did and we just didn't 141 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: really concentrate on it. But yeah, that's who they are. 142 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: They're an undisciplined team. There's gonna be taunting penalties. They're 143 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: one of the I think four or five teams that 144 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: have had two guys ejected from a game in the 145 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: last two seats or from the start of two thousand 146 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: eighteen to now. I mean, that's who they are. I mean, 147 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: and for anyone to think that it's not that it's 148 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: going to change and they're not going to be that way, 149 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: that you don't have that much of a track record, 150 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: and then flip it off. So that's who they are, 151 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: and they're going to have to find a way to 152 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: overcome that to win games, especially if you're dealing with 153 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: some quarterback issues. Alright, boys ahead and here we go. Yes, 154 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: let's take the show of the road this week. Right, 155 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: hey's Caroline, Mike Duracco. Thanks, guys, appreciate what We'll see 156 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: you next time when the Jaguars media around table