Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why why? Oh? And
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yes, goodness, I'm
Speaker 1: sensing a little we did a peculiar energy frequency from
Speaker 1: I just feel like a very dropped in spirit today, okay,
Speaker 1: And could it be that's because we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about an album that's very dropped in. I didn't assignment
Speaker 1: for my sister. I watched the potentially controversial movie I
Speaker 1: care a lot. Oh you did watch it? I watched
Speaker 1: it today. I thought we're gonna talk Oh my god. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm happy to talk about it on the pot And also, um,
Speaker 1: I want you to know, like, not only that, but
Speaker 1: I was attacked by a reader in the d MS.
Speaker 1: What did they say? I was attacked by a reader
Speaker 1: in the d m s and they said, this is
Speaker 1: what this reader said to me. They said, I wish
Speaker 1: that you would talk about things that me and my
Speaker 1: queer friends really talk about. Your podcast is feeling very
Speaker 1: sponsored lately by whom I said, I said, I said
Speaker 1: to him. I responded, I said, listen, queen, what do
Speaker 1: you mean? And he said I didn't think you would respond.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I bet you did it. I
Speaker 1: was like, but now I demand to know. He was like,
Speaker 1: no that he said, you know, the wand division of
Speaker 1: it all, this real house as a salt like of
Speaker 1: it all feels very sponsored. And I was like, if
Speaker 1: we're being accused of talking about straight things, they think
Speaker 1: those are that's straight culture. I don't understand. There's there
Speaker 1: was some there was like a codedness in what he
Speaker 1: was saying, and that we're talking about one division. We're
Speaker 1: talking about Salt Lake City and he called it. He
Speaker 1: called it. He said it felt very sponsored, and I
Speaker 1: thought like, oh, he doesn't. He's like and he said,
Speaker 1: I wish you would talk about what me and my
Speaker 1: queer friends really talk about, Like you haven't talked about
Speaker 1: UK drag race at all. And I was like, let
Speaker 1: me write down on my list UK drag race, I said.
Speaker 1: To the person. I was like, if it makes you
Speaker 1: feel any better? UK drags, I was like, if it
Speaker 1: makes you feel any better? Boonen and I are both
Speaker 1: absolutely Bimini stands Bimini. Bamboo Lash is as charismatic of
Speaker 1: drag content contested as there's ever been. They are. They
Speaker 1: are phenomenal and I truly what a star, what a star?
Speaker 1: I feel now? Well, I don't know how you feel.
Speaker 1: But this last episode I felt was really controversial, very controversial.
Speaker 1: I did not agree with the person who went home
Speaker 1: not to not to not to sort of dabble in
Speaker 1: this in this imagery for the people listening, But I
Speaker 1: feel that Ruined Michelle go to a different multiverse when
Speaker 1: they crossed the pond. They get there and it's like
Speaker 1: the way that they judge is just fundamentally different for anything.
Speaker 1: It's that Doctor Stranges to Sorcer of Supreme really is
Speaker 1: getting in their heads. It's something that goes on where
Speaker 1: they get were sponsored. Oh I'm gonna talk about how
Speaker 1: it ended too, so banned down the hatches. I have
Speaker 1: no understanding of what their decision making is when they
Speaker 1: get there. Like like in this last episode spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: the bottom two was Taste and a Horror after the
Speaker 1: stand up challenge and then and they sent a Horror home,
Speaker 1: which I thought was bullshit. And you said something in
Speaker 1: the thread that was very um poignant I think, which
Speaker 1: is this top four is really tough because two out
Speaker 1: of the four of them have no chance of winning.
Speaker 1: Zero chance. Taste is never going to win the show.
Speaker 1: Ellie and Ellie is Ellie was never going to win
Speaker 1: the show. But if you if you narrow it down
Speaker 1: to a top three, because I believe UK does the
Speaker 1: top three of Lawrence Cheney, Bimini, Bamboo Lash and a Horra,
Speaker 1: I feel like they all they all make cases for
Speaker 1: the whim absolutely and but now you have a full
Speaker 1: villain edit for Lawrence, which I think is kind of
Speaker 1: justified because I've never I've never gotten on the Lawrence train. Sadly,
Speaker 1: I just don't get it as much as Rue seems to.
Speaker 1: It's truly such a crapshoot to know what Ru will
Speaker 1: laugh at. And I think I would, I would, I
Speaker 1: would tell him this to his face, like that, you
Speaker 1: don't know what will make Ru cackle, like through throw
Speaker 1: Ru into a cackling fit. It feels like non secretary,
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, it just feels coincidental whatever. But um
Speaker 1: Bimini is fully getting the winners at it at this point,
Speaker 1: do you think so? Yeah? Absolutely? Like they just showered
Speaker 1: her with praise about that, with that acne look, which
Speaker 1: was genius, by the way, fully genius. And and Biminy
Speaker 1: is just like a star and like is confident and
Speaker 1: like has this like I don't know, stability, whereas Lawrence
Speaker 1: the Veneers starting to crack and you're you're sort of
Speaker 1: seeing Lawrence like flash out a little bit. Yeah. Just
Speaker 1: my perspective is when you look at Biminy in pretty
Speaker 1: much every area that they judge on the show, when
Speaker 1: it comes to like performance quality, fashion, comedic instincts like outlook,
Speaker 1: p o V. Everything feels like fresh and new and
Speaker 1: like like it like like the maybe this isn't true
Speaker 1: because she obviously can get better from here, but like
Speaker 1: a really realized drag queen who is like ready to
Speaker 1: execute on all levels and just knows themselves, whereas like
Speaker 1: and so that's why I think she's the winner. And
Speaker 1: also like, if Lawrence Cheney is going to come into
Speaker 1: this competition as a comedy queen, you probably should win
Speaker 1: a comedy challenge and not flopping the comedy challenges like
Speaker 1: you have been. And I don't I'm not a Lawrence
Speaker 1: Cheney hater, but I did want to ask me what
Speaker 1: he thought of when Ellie Diamond put the Order together
Speaker 1: and a Horra and Lawrence Chaney were so upset about
Speaker 1: the way that Ellie did that. What was your take
Speaker 1: on that situation? I felt like it was I kind
Speaker 1: of see where Eli's coming from. Where Ali was trying
Speaker 1: to set each of her competitor, each of her you know, competitors,
Speaker 1: competitors up for failure. It felt like if Lawrence was
Speaker 1: good enough of a comedic performer, it wouldn't have mattered
Speaker 1: where she landed in the lineup. Yeah, I think the
Speaker 1: cool thing would have been to just be like, oh, whatever,
Speaker 1: I'll kill wherever I'm at, which is what Baby said.
Speaker 1: And I thought that I was of two minds about it.
Speaker 1: It's like, I think that they should have just sucked
Speaker 1: it up and done whatever the order was and moved on,
Speaker 1: because in saying you should have been last or that
Speaker 1: the order was bad, what you're kind of doing is
Speaker 1: talking about everyone else. So so that was odd to
Speaker 1: me that they would make such a huge deal about it.
Speaker 1: I guess the only person who was justified and feeling
Speaker 1: bad about it would have been a Horror because it's
Speaker 1: just hard to go first or quote unquote hard to
Speaker 1: go first again, like if you're actually a confident performer,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't care about that. But where I did side
Speaker 1: with Lawrence a little bit was I felt it was
Speaker 1: patronizing of Ellie to be like, so is everyone okay
Speaker 1: with that, and when Lawrence was like, you don't care
Speaker 1: if we're okay with it, so don't ask us if
Speaker 1: we are, like you did what you did, like shut up,
Speaker 1: Like so I ultimately was like, I think she's right
Speaker 1: there that it's bullshit for Ellie to be like, let
Speaker 1: me just check in with you girls that you're okay
Speaker 1: with it, like you don't actually care. You did this
Speaker 1: to funk us up, you didn't deny it, and now
Speaker 1: we're we we see where you're at. I think it's
Speaker 1: also it's Lawrence kind of lashing out at losing control
Speaker 1: and also of this being some sort of come up,
Speaker 1: and it maybe where they've been antagonizing Ellie all season,
Speaker 1: saying like every it feels like for the last three episodes,
Speaker 1: every opening of the episode, like after the mirror, right
Speaker 1: after they reconvene after the last week's challenge and runway,
Speaker 1: when they reset to the next day and they all
Speaker 1: skip in and there in their in their regular clothes
Speaker 1: and they gather at the table. The past three episodes
Speaker 1: have all been so Ellie, you haven't want to challenge
Speaker 1: yet and you must suck, like like that's been the thing,
Speaker 1: and that edit cuts to Ellie's talking to her, where
Speaker 1: she's like, they should stop underestimating me, and all it
Speaker 1: feels like, I don't know if that's intentionally been built
Speaker 1: on like a producer level to make it seem like
Speaker 1: they've picked on her and now she's like exacting some
Speaker 1: sort of revenge. But maybe that's where Ellie was coming from,
Speaker 1: and it makes sense that Lawrence would react that way
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, well Lawrence seems like there's a version
Speaker 1: of condition but can't take it because and also there's
Speaker 1: I mean, she's open about it, but she's obviously incredibly insecure.
Speaker 1: And so the fact that she is there and like
Speaker 1: has been praised by Rue as being so funny, Like
Speaker 1: you've I can't even remember watching Rue laugh at a contestant,
Speaker 1: the way that rule will crack up whenever Lawrence. Cheney
Speaker 1: even wouldn't even do that with like Bob, she wouldn't
Speaker 1: even do that with like genuinely funny. She's like really
Speaker 1: really enamored with Lawrence in a way where even just
Speaker 1: when she says her name, she's already laughing. It's it's
Speaker 1: like already at a ten to the point where maybe
Speaker 1: it's set an expectation in Lawrence's head, or like she
Speaker 1: thinks who she is and like now she's not succeeding
Speaker 1: and it's fucking with her sort of Alaska vibes, like
Speaker 1: in the Latin the last week of or two of
Speaker 1: All Stars to when she started to start a crumble,
Speaker 1: but she definitely isn't cool as a cucumber lately. And
Speaker 1: I thought it was a bummer to see how hor
Speaker 1: Ago because I thought Ahor at least had a perspective
Speaker 1: and hasn't been in the bottom three times. Like I'm
Speaker 1: done with taste. I'm done with taste. The soup sandwich
Speaker 1: thing is really dark with taste. I saw that last
Speaker 1: night and I was like, but I think taste is
Speaker 1: just someone who like and I absolutely love like that
Speaker 1: kind of food as well, Like I like spy, sloppy doppy.
Speaker 1: I still buy spaghettios from Trader Joe's to this day.
Speaker 1: Were you a sloppy Joe girl? I was? I love
Speaker 1: a sloppy Joe. I'll still need a fucking sloppy Joe, honey.
Speaker 1: And I love my I love my cup noodles, I
Speaker 1: love my spaghettios, I love my my bagel bites. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, you cannot keep me away from the frozen
Speaker 1: on I have trauma from watching other kids eat sloppy Joe.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what well I've I've told you.
Speaker 1: Like when I was in when I was like younger, young, young, young,
Speaker 1: I had like I had like a food phobia when
Speaker 1: I was a little kid, like I could only I
Speaker 1: can only eat food that I saw my mom make
Speaker 1: and that was hot. And I didn't trust the cafeteria food.
Speaker 1: So when I'd watch all my peers like oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I was. I had like an issue with food when
Speaker 1: I was always learned something about my sister. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like the glorious gay onion. You know, it's the
Speaker 1: big queer onion. It's actually it's a front runner for
Speaker 1: a title of that, the queer wed Onion. I would
Speaker 1: be doing such a disservice to not name this swift
Speaker 1: Swift but keep going, oh wow, that that's that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: That's another front runner. Sorry, No, I mean we preorgine
Speaker 1: all the time. This if we do here on help
Speaker 1: um okay, so wait, but I would watch these kids
Speaker 1: like slaba laba labba dooda um, these all be like
Speaker 1: like sloppy Joe's and I was like, I just would
Speaker 1: not eat my lunch and the amount of lunches I
Speaker 1: threw out just from being afraid of food. Like it
Speaker 1: was so hearing that you love to sort of eat
Speaker 1: the sloppy, messy food is trigger for me because as
Speaker 1: Taste was talking about it, I was like so revolted
Speaker 1: that I almost had it turned off. It was a lot.
Speaker 1: It was a lot, but anyway, you saw the episode
Speaker 1: where she made it, right, I saw. I saw the
Speaker 1: clip that she posted to her Instagram where she makes it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, and she bites into it and
Speaker 1: thinks it's so delicious, and I'm like, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: a no from me. Dog. It is lethal. It is lethal,
Speaker 1: so it is rotted and gutted as routed. It was
Speaker 1: not good. But anyway, so I guess you you are
Speaker 1: a bi mini Stan. I'm a Stan. The only winner
Speaker 1: um switching gears over to the Drag Race US. We
Speaker 1: had a snatch game with your thoughts as a character
Speaker 1: performer Extra News. I thought it was a decent snatch game.
Speaker 1: The ratio of like four of them being good to
Speaker 1: fire like it felt like a decent ratio. There wasn't
Speaker 1: like a full stand out to me. Even I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: even with got Mack, it wasn't loved. I loved it
Speaker 1: was she deserved to win, absolutely, and she succeeded, and
Speaker 1: she was very good. And it is one of the
Speaker 1: stronger snatch game performance as we've seen overall. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna be a fucking Bob as you know, Usa Duba
Speaker 1: into Carol Channing. It's not gonna be Alaska's May West.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be Jinks as Little Eaty. It's not
Speaker 1: like like like like those wins are like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: they're so good. I mean, this was just like I
Speaker 1: think Paris Hilton was the perfect choice Forgottenick. It's not
Speaker 1: like one of those genius Snatch game performances for me.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah? I think that What was
Speaker 1: so great about this is it's like it's kind of
Speaker 1: like with snatch game. I was really I think, actually
Speaker 1: this year is a really good example of many different
Speaker 1: ways you can do the snatch game. So, like you had,
Speaker 1: um a couple of different smart decisions being made here.
Speaker 1: One was I thought Simone as Harriet Tubman. I thought
Speaker 1: it was really smart to do Harriet Tubman because we
Speaker 1: as the audience don't actually know what she was like,
Speaker 1: and so we we we're never going to be putting
Speaker 1: it up against um, a very well known personification of
Speaker 1: someone that we know well. We just all we're gonna
Speaker 1: be looking for is a strong comedic take, and Simone
Speaker 1: essentially doing herself as Maria Tubman is a very strong
Speaker 1: comedic take, and she was able to put jokes in there,
Speaker 1: so I thought that that was really smart. Similarly, and
Speaker 1: I think a little bit this was a little bit
Speaker 1: stronger for me was Rose as Mary, Queen of Scott's
Speaker 1: because same thing, we don't actually know what she was like,
Speaker 1: but she was able to do a big character that
Speaker 1: was different from herself. Yeah, but but it was a
Speaker 1: vehicle for something that we already know her to do well.
Speaker 1: I think she's mentioned the fact that she's been Scottish before,
Speaker 1: and she's like pulled out the accent. She's definitely done
Speaker 1: a runway and she's responded, I think, in the Scottish
Speaker 1: accent to the critiques. But I thought this was a
Speaker 1: more heightened, sort of overdrawn Scotta accent, and to me,
Speaker 1: I liked this a little bit more than the Simone
Speaker 1: one because it was playing two things at once. It
Speaker 1: was playing the fact that the Scottish accent is so
Speaker 1: ridiculous you can barely understand what she's saying, and so
Speaker 1: the lack of understanding is one game and then another game.
Speaker 1: I thought that was being played that was really well executed,
Speaker 1: was like Mary Queen of Scott's able to look back
Speaker 1: at her life in retrospect, Like I thought it was
Speaker 1: funny that she had knowledge of the fact that she
Speaker 1: was beheaded. I thought it was funny that she knew
Speaker 1: the abree for fox Sake was FFS. Like. I just thought,
Speaker 1: like modern Mary Queen of Scotts who gets the deal
Speaker 1: was funny to me. So there they were kind of
Speaker 1: doing the same sort of thing where it's like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pick someone that I can personify, and they did
Speaker 1: it to different degrees in different ways. And then you
Speaker 1: have like honest impersonation and I think, like you can
Speaker 1: and that was gott Nick who and if you can
Speaker 1: do honest, good impersonation and be funny and improvisation as
Speaker 1: the character and have some jokes, I it's really tough
Speaker 1: to beat that person. And I think what was really
Speaker 1: great about gott Nick is. She obviously knew a new
Speaker 1: Paris in her bones and could respond like Paris like
Speaker 1: that and be she puts Paris's face literally on, so
Speaker 1: she was able to put that face on her own
Speaker 1: face and looked exactly like her. So yeah, in the
Speaker 1: Christian down to the Christian callen mom of that was
Speaker 1: what Meredith Marks wore on Real House, Jolo wore Jlo
Speaker 1: war and and an SNL bumper when she hosted like
Speaker 1: that that piece has been on everybody, which I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it's like a great thing, Like yeah, I know, it's
Speaker 1: it's a really fun item. Good. Those three were great.
Speaker 1: And then I did like Denali as j Vin. I
Speaker 1: thought it was I thought it was there was jokes,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was really funny to have like
Speaker 1: that extremely laid wig in the ship beard Like that
Speaker 1: felt very j Vin to me. But they were probably
Speaker 1: the four best, right, the four best? Um, should we
Speaker 1: talk about the girl, the bad one, the one that
Speaker 1: we just can't really seem to you? The Queen's Bob
Speaker 1: Ross is upsetting to me and revolting to me on
Speaker 1: a level. I it upset me. It felt like a
Speaker 1: nightmare watching it. If Unika is listening to this, We're
Speaker 1: so sorry. I like a lot of what she's done,
Speaker 1: A lot of what she's done. We really, we really
Speaker 1: love you to get here. Um, the instincts, the instincts
Speaker 1: were not there on this one. At every step, at
Speaker 1: on every level, the instincts were absent. R was basically
Speaker 1: screaming at her, don't don't do it like it was
Speaker 1: just but because the thing is, I don't know what
Speaker 1: you think, but if she had done bob Ross looking
Speaker 1: like bob Ross, would that have been insensitive? That's the
Speaker 1: way bob Ross looked bob Ross was this is this
Speaker 1: is bob ross is hair. And if you were concerned
Speaker 1: about that, just do someone else. There's just a lot
Speaker 1: of them. There was just a lockdown on Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was it. That was it. And it was this like
Speaker 1: so they're rawl bob Ross didn't really have um no
Speaker 1: mean so their southern he spoke, he was he was
Speaker 1: from the south. But it it just it wasn't that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like a prospector you know. Um anyway, just
Speaker 1: to cut to got mixing, no like who like loves
Speaker 1: bob ROSSA apparently that was bad. The the Afro full
Speaker 1: of Squirrels I couldn't believe only it only looked dumb.
Speaker 1: But you know, she think, you know, she thinks she
Speaker 1: you know, she thinks it's genius. Yes, she thinks that
Speaker 1: that is like such an inspired thing. She is not
Speaker 1: you know what's happening. It's it's like she is not
Speaker 1: the note to edit is not arriving to her in
Speaker 1: real time on the show. She's gonna watch this and
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, I see now it's a
Speaker 1: hat on a hat and a hat on a hat
Speaker 1: almost everything I do, and she'll I'm back for All Stars,
Speaker 1: of course, and like an incredible queen. Yeah, really really gifted.
Speaker 1: And I just think it's it's she needs to think simpler,
Speaker 1: Like sometimes the simplest answer is the answer. Like I'm
Speaker 1: shocked she didn't do Carol Burnett. She would have been great.
Speaker 1: Like it matches. It's like it's like it's like got
Speaker 1: make picking Paris. It's like, yes, it matches. Like find
Speaker 1: someone who kind of meets you where you're at energetically,
Speaker 1: sensibility wise, and then it'll it'll be like you're setting
Speaker 1: yourself up for something decent. You might not win, but
Speaker 1: at least like you won't it won't be a fucking
Speaker 1: train wreck. It's about embodiment. It's about embodiment and being
Speaker 1: able to have fun and and live and breathe as
Speaker 1: the character. Because Rue is going to improvise with you,
Speaker 1: so fuck your jokes that you're prepared. You have to
Speaker 1: pick someone who basically is you that you can answer
Speaker 1: as them on the fly. It's not which is not
Speaker 1: even like an improv note. It's it's an impression note,
Speaker 1: which is different. It's a different discipline entirely. Um, I
Speaker 1: mean now, I mean unfortunately now, like I used to
Speaker 1: not be able to answer the question who would I
Speaker 1: play for son snatch game? But now I know who
Speaker 1: and like this is so gross to say, but like
Speaker 1: ever since Fran, I'm like I it has to be
Speaker 1: like I felt her in my bones now that like
Speaker 1: I I would love to do her. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: as Fran is the definition of a winning snatch game.
Speaker 1: I think I even tweeted that. I think I even
Speaker 1: tweeted or no, maybe Joel did I think someone said
Speaker 1: Bowen has won the snatch game as as Fran. Who
Speaker 1: were your answers again for who I would do? For
Speaker 1: who you would do? Yeah, I feel like it's actually
Speaker 1: tough because I feel like I could really easily slip
Speaker 1: into like Bethany Frankel. But yes, no, you would be greatest.
Speaker 1: I think I would be a good Bethanie. I think
Speaker 1: I also would be a good lou And I but like,
Speaker 1: but I don't know, Like then energy then is not
Speaker 1: that fun of an energy sad way, But then I
Speaker 1: think to myself, like, maybe I should do like Alicia
Speaker 1: Silverstone clueless so I can be like a sort of
Speaker 1: like I don't know. This is this chrish Liker tweet
Speaker 1: tweeted this earlier. He was like, the most stressful question
Speaker 1: I'll never have to answer is what would I do
Speaker 1: for snatch game. I'm never going to do drag. I
Speaker 1: will not start. And I was like, I feel the
Speaker 1: same way like whenever anyone's like, who would you do
Speaker 1: for Snatch? I feel like I have to have an answer,
Speaker 1: and my answer is always Bethany because she's so like
Speaker 1: New York, like fast, ridiculous, like constantly crying at the
Speaker 1: drop of a hat, starting in like it feels like me,
Speaker 1: it's whoever, whoever, whatever celebrity most closely matches Sam. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I feel like that's not Bethany,
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I have totey well, I thought
Speaker 1: about her maybe, but then also I don't know. I
Speaker 1: also feel like someone could do Rachel McAdams and you
Speaker 1: could just go out there as Regina George. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: really could. But anyway, it's it's literally it's a question
Speaker 1: that Hans. You have so many options. You could do
Speaker 1: Kate Hudson. You've already done a Kate Hudson impression, because like,
Speaker 1: how are you gonna make that funny? You know what?
Speaker 1: I think I would do any but the way that
Speaker 1: you did it on the on the pod, like we'd
Speaker 1: be like fun funk, let's just go smoking, like like
Speaker 1: you doing no Kate Hudson wanting to smoke by Boldie
Speaker 1: Hunting Kirk Russells. It's so much to you a good queen.
Speaker 1: It's too hat on a hat. It's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: Here's what I think I would do. Incredible. I think
Speaker 1: I would do Bethany Frankel and halfway through I like,
Speaker 1: I gotta go. I gotta go because she's always leaving,
Speaker 1: and I would come back as Dolly Parton and every
Speaker 1: answer is a long song. That's good. You would do Dolly? Well,
Speaker 1: who knows Dolly has never been done? Did you know that? Really?
Speaker 1: I don't think Dolly has been done on Snatch, which
Speaker 1: is crazy to me. I thought I thought, like on
Speaker 1: on one of the All Stars, like Dating Game ones
Speaker 1: or like the Cruise Ship ones around, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't think Dolly has been done and if we're wrong,
Speaker 1: the readers will tell us. But um, but yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: I thought that was that was a some people on
Speaker 1: Twitter where like, have there ever been such high highs
Speaker 1: and low lows on Snatch game? And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: every single the thing that everyone forgets every season, and
Speaker 1: Josh Sharp says this all the time, Yes, everyone's it
Speaker 1: gets so hype for Snatch game every season in the
Speaker 1: lead up and then you get to snatch him and
Speaker 1: you're like, that was fine, Like it's it's not like
Speaker 1: no one's ever the only Snatch game. It is the
Speaker 1: only Snatch games that plural that have blown me away
Speaker 1: are all starts to and UK season UK season one,
Speaker 1: and I did have a lot of fun watching UK
Speaker 1: season two. I thought it was really fun. I giggled throughout.
Speaker 1: I get at throughout. I feel stupid because I don't
Speaker 1: know most of those people. Whereas season one you had
Speaker 1: like Trump and Thatcher and you know they were easy
Speaker 1: to follow, like, oh my god, oh my god, The
Speaker 1: Vivians Trump is the best snatch game that's ever been
Speaker 1: I would say, hands down. But it's like I don't
Speaker 1: want to watch, like I'm not like I would never
Speaker 1: seek out The Vivians Trump. I would seek out and
Speaker 1: watch for hours Bag of Chips doing Margaret Thatcher. Well,
Speaker 1: you know they have a web series which is uh
Speaker 1: Trump and Bacher on Wild Presents, and I watched it
Speaker 1: sometimes when I'm inebriated, and it does the trick. But
Speaker 1: when I think about Bag of Chips, is Thatcher post
Speaker 1: UK season one is that she's made it less fun
Speaker 1: by taking the red Eyes out, Like she's made it
Speaker 1: less month. Like I was obsessed with the fact that
Speaker 1: that brave and drink this this demon from Hell. I
Speaker 1: was like, that is so she was like she had
Speaker 1: like hasn't drank blood yet today? Yeah? And same, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Bag of Chips. I just love bagg of Chips.
Speaker 1: I love bagg of Chips too. I thought the Vivians
Speaker 1: Trump it did it for me because like something about
Speaker 1: a drag queen doing Trump like and I'm I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to say it, but I'm exhausted by every single fucking Trump. Like.
Speaker 1: Every time I see a Trump I'm like, like, I
Speaker 1: I just I'm so over it and he's such a
Speaker 1: joke and I whenever I watch that, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I can't do this. And then does see a drag
Speaker 1: queen do it, especially a British drag queen like nail
Speaker 1: it like that day It's the best. It's the best
Speaker 1: flat impression of him I've seen, and it just felt
Speaker 1: like it could be No, hold, that's the other word
Speaker 1: you've seen. Will Stevens is Trump. I think Will Stevens, Well,
Speaker 1: Stephen has the best. Oh yeah, he's got a good Trump.
Speaker 1: I I he doesn't do Trump like professionally though, no
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, I know you um,
Speaker 1: but but Will Stephen has been able to pick up
Speaker 1: on some Trump cadences that no other Trump impressionists has
Speaker 1: and he like kind of only showcased it within the
Speaker 1: last year of his term. Anyway, Um, shout out to reader,
Speaker 1: straight reader, Will Stephen, we love and that we have
Speaker 1: to lift those icons up, straight man, the straight readers
Speaker 1: up the Straight readers. We we see, we hear you,
Speaker 1: we feel you um before before we sorry, We're not
Speaker 1: We're no longer a clear podcast. We are saluting our
Speaker 1: straight before we get into the the ever more of
Speaker 1: it all. What let's just close the loop on one
Speaker 1: division really really quick. What did you think of the
Speaker 1: finale so that we can move on? And then if
Speaker 1: I get obsessed with the falcon in the winter Soldier,
Speaker 1: I'll keep it to myself. Lovely lovely finale. I overall,
Speaker 1: I had really thought about the entire series, I guess
Speaker 1: as a whole, and I feel like none of it
Speaker 1: was the like Wanda, like having it be TV sitcom
Speaker 1: eras doesn't actually work for me, Like it is not
Speaker 1: fully explained by the previously on episode where she has
Speaker 1: flashbacks to like whatever Socovia or where she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: the reason it's TV eras is because she watched shows
Speaker 1: with her parents, Like I don't know. I get that
Speaker 1: it's tied to her grief and that like her west
Speaker 1: View is like things that resolve the grief or that
Speaker 1: are like linked to the grief, But I think can
Speaker 1: set the premise is a lot of winding turns through
Speaker 1: some stuff and I kind of wish it was all
Speaker 1: which battles, which battles which battles. Starting from episode three on,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is what it should have been
Speaker 1: the whole time. And I know, like budget wise, it
Speaker 1: couldn't have happened because they needed to sort of pour
Speaker 1: it all into like this crazy, crazy battle um. But
Speaker 1: that's my thought I loved. I mean, I really am
Speaker 1: into the Starlett Witch costume. I at the end of it,
Speaker 1: I think Catherine Han's gonna come back. I think like
Speaker 1: it's set up so that she has to go and
Speaker 1: find Katherine han Um maybe in Doctor Strange or after
Speaker 1: Doctor Strange. But I have my things about the show
Speaker 1: that are that are interested. It's like her like walking off,
Speaker 1: like walking through Westview after like the hex disappears and
Speaker 1: having everyone stare at her and she's just like and
Speaker 1: then basically her and Monica are like they'll never understand,
Speaker 1: like women like are you know, basically they're like they'll
Speaker 1: never understand. It's like, honey, you us draw ruined these
Speaker 1: people's lives. What are you talking about? You're not the victim?
Speaker 1: He here um. I don't know. There was just but again,
Speaker 1: and I think you brought this up. But it's like
Speaker 1: I have to remember that this is a show that's
Speaker 1: actually meant for children. Yeah, I think I think that's
Speaker 1: why I wasn't really reaching too far for like deeper
Speaker 1: meeting and the fact that it did explore grief, and
Speaker 1: also like I think it's better than any of these
Speaker 1: things need to be. That's what I was saying, and
Speaker 1: I will say in watching all the old movies, which
Speaker 1: I'm doing right now, Like I just watched thor The
Speaker 1: Dark World today, this is so interested in one of
Speaker 1: the female characters in in in these Marvel movies in
Speaker 1: a way that I think is so different from I
Speaker 1: was actually talking to my expense about this, like old friend,
Speaker 1: old roommate, um, and he was sitting, yes, in the comics,
Speaker 1: like all these female characters are like flat as fuck,
Speaker 1: and like you're like in the comments like wand does
Speaker 1: a monster and like you kind of understand that she's
Speaker 1: upset because of well the turns her life has taken.
Speaker 1: But now she's just like this monster who looks gorgeous
Speaker 1: in a fucking stunning outfit, and like she's a crazy
Speaker 1: woman who likes a witch. And this is like exploring
Speaker 1: why um, a character that's established like that in the
Speaker 1: comics actually gets to that point, um really exploring the
Speaker 1: trauma because if you actually, if they hadn't done this
Speaker 1: series and like hadn't explored Wanda's past and or wanted
Speaker 1: to continue her as a character, like she would have
Speaker 1: kind of just existed as like a toy that these
Speaker 1: films used to like torture, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: in order to move the plot forward to get her
Speaker 1: to like places where she's so upset that she uses
Speaker 1: her power and she barely can control it. So I
Speaker 1: liked that it like um uh explored the concept of
Speaker 1: what this woman has been through and why she might
Speaker 1: want to create a soft place to land um and
Speaker 1: how she wants to feel that she deserves and has
Speaker 1: earned a happy life and then just like she's not
Speaker 1: faded to do that. So I thought that was really interesting.
Speaker 1: I do agree with you, Like there's plot holes galore.
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's so much of it doesn't check out,
Speaker 1: Like when when spoiler alert, when Monica is in Evan
Speaker 1: Peters's house and she sees when she sees the head shot,
Speaker 1: it says Ralph Boner, And there was that whole thing
Speaker 1: where she's like your Ralph. It's like, well, if we're
Speaker 1: in the world of the of the Wanda fifty, like
Speaker 1: the sitcom land, that headshot would have changed to something
Speaker 1: that would have been in the sitcom land, Like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like little things like that that
Speaker 1: I'm probably looking too closely on. And that's why when
Speaker 1: I take a step away, I fucking loved watching it.
Speaker 1: I think Elizabeth Olson is amazing. I think she's she's
Speaker 1: actually one of my favorite actresses now after watching this,
Speaker 1: and she is Julia Roberts to you, she's the new Julia.
Speaker 1: I love her. I think she's really, really, really good.
Speaker 1: And I loved Paul Bettany and I thought they were amazing.
Speaker 1: I thought that emotionally it really worked for me. By
Speaker 1: the finale, absolutely and pulp wise it worked for me.
Speaker 1: And I loved watching Katherine Han like be this cookie
Speaker 1: witch at the end and like cackle. And I loved
Speaker 1: watching Katherine Han Elizabeth Olson fight as witches in the sky.
Speaker 1: And when Elizabeth was when Elizabeth Elson became the Scarlet Witch,
Speaker 1: I thought it was stunning. And when she said I
Speaker 1: don't need you to tell me who I am, I
Speaker 1: was like, you better deliver the line you better deliver
Speaker 1: the line. I I agree, I am with you completely.
Speaker 1: I just think some of the disc wore. I was
Speaker 1: talking about this with Julio and Julie was saying that
Speaker 1: like he also enjoyed it, like on like an entertainment level.
Speaker 1: But the discourse online is a little bit like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's watch it because some people are like, this is
Speaker 1: what we do to women, and it's it's so refreshing
Speaker 1: to see that this is how we score, like we've ruined.
Speaker 1: When it's like wait wait, wait, wait wait, that's I
Speaker 1: don't think that's the takeaway here, and like let's like
Speaker 1: there's like hundreds of years of culture and reading and
Speaker 1: plays and books and movies and stuff that like all
Speaker 1: so like touch on this a little bit better. And
Speaker 1: then some people mean and then some people been like
Speaker 1: this is what This is a perfect example of what
Speaker 1: what happens when white women put themselves at the center
Speaker 1: of it. It's like, all right, everyone, just like what
Speaker 1: where is that coming from? What is that there? It's
Speaker 1: just like some like some Twitter discourse that like I
Speaker 1: I am like picking up on is like wait what
Speaker 1: like but what is it? I don't understand what it is?
Speaker 1: What do you mean, like, what is the critique that
Speaker 1: people have, what is the discourse about, like how it's
Speaker 1: an example of white women centering themselves that it's like
Speaker 1: you you ruin people's lives or oh, it's like like
Speaker 1: Wanda like just like literally making herself the center of
Speaker 1: this like like universe. Whatever. I don't think, well, I'm
Speaker 1: agreeing with you. It's like, I don't think it runs
Speaker 1: that this is Naomi Camel to tire Banks. It's not.
Speaker 1: It's just it's not that deep. And so I just
Speaker 1: think we have to again reassess what we want to
Speaker 1: get out of a Disney Plus show, even if it's
Speaker 1: even if it's out of an even if it's an
Speaker 1: mc U property. It's like, we can this is just
Speaker 1: supposed to entertain us. Let's not look too closely at
Speaker 1: the at the plot holes. Yeah, let's not even like
Speaker 1: consider what this means, what this is trying to say
Speaker 1: about society. Let's just it's a bonus that we have
Speaker 1: an amazing performance from Elizabeth Olson, and bonus that we
Speaker 1: have this great role for Catherine Han. Like, I think
Speaker 1: that's how we should think about this stuff going forward,
Speaker 1: I think, and honestly to its credit. It's to its
Speaker 1: credit that people took it so seriously. Sure it felt
Speaker 1: like prestigious. Yeah. Yeah, from the beginning with them trying
Speaker 1: and and doing the different you know sitcom tropes and
Speaker 1: like doing the different shot like whatever it was from
Speaker 1: episodes episode, Um, I think it it It presented as
Speaker 1: extremely interesting and maybe like there was a lot going on,
Speaker 1: and then there was, but also what was going on was,
Speaker 1: you know, the sort of theme park movies that are
Speaker 1: the Marvel movies, which is fine, it's just like, don't
Speaker 1: you can never get it twisted when you're watching these movies,
Speaker 1: Like No. What I liked about it is because in
Speaker 1: watching all these old movies, it's like they're great, like
Speaker 1: there are a lot of fun, but they are like
Speaker 1: commercial theme park movies, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it's not inaccurate to describe them like that. This
Speaker 1: I liked because it felt like it was pushing it
Speaker 1: a little bit further. I like to explore one of
Speaker 1: the female characters these things so rarely do. And um
Speaker 1: I also thought like if it was commercial theme park trash,
Speaker 1: trying to see what it would be like if they
Speaker 1: took a step towards our you know, what I mean.
Speaker 1: It gave people in the cast real opportunities to act,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, I thought it was I thought
Speaker 1: it was great. It's like Taylor going from lover to
Speaker 1: folklore evermore, hello, and what a transition. Well before we transition,
Speaker 1: should we save the because I really want to talk
Speaker 1: about I care a lot. Okay, so so's so, then
Speaker 1: let's let's do it. And then and then what were
Speaker 1: you saying? It's connects to your I don't think it's honey, No,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It doesn't, okay, talk about A care a lot.
Speaker 1: Then what did you feel? I thought it was garbage.
Speaker 1: I thought it was Did you like it now? Because
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this because as if you liked it,
Speaker 1: then this is a perfect symmetry between the promising young
Speaker 1: woman of it all. But I don't think, but did
Speaker 1: you enjoy I care a lot? Um? I liked it
Speaker 1: more now, I didn't like it more than promising young woman.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought it said something fresher than promising
Speaker 1: young I disagree. I disagree. I think it's like truly
Speaker 1: like the only thing that it's it was trying to
Speaker 1: say something about like womanhood, but like through the lens
Speaker 1: of like I'm a girl boss, Like I true, like
Speaker 1: I was really, like truly put off by it. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: I didn't see it like that at all. I thought
Speaker 1: it was talking about capitalism only. I thought it was
Speaker 1: talking about late stage capitalism only. I thought it was
Speaker 1: talking about the evils of people in power and people
Speaker 1: that are close to power. Only I didn't think it
Speaker 1: really had anything to do with the fact that she
Speaker 1: was a female character. Literally, I thought, like for for
Speaker 1: almost the same exact reasons as you, as you didn't
Speaker 1: like promising young women. Okay, but here's here's something we
Speaker 1: should clear up. You did not like this movie more
Speaker 1: than I liked Promising young Woman at the time. Like
Speaker 1: over time, I've been like, yeah, maybe maybe it's like
Speaker 1: a tricky movie on like a writing level, and it's
Speaker 1: running all these screenplay awards in that kind of bumps.
Speaker 1: But I will say that, like I thought this was
Speaker 1: a tonal mess as well, Like it just like the
Speaker 1: category fraud first of all of this being like musical
Speaker 1: or comedy and for Rosmon to win over Maria Bakalova
Speaker 1: at the Golden Globes, I'm like, damn, like you felt
Speaker 1: it was a drama. I didn't think it was a
Speaker 1: damn comedy. This to me felt like a pitch black comedy.
Speaker 1: I get, yes, I don't even think it was. I
Speaker 1: don't think I don't even think it was a dark comedy.
Speaker 1: If there were that, it was like set here. I
Speaker 1: just I get the people think that that's what this is.
Speaker 1: I think it was going for like Safty Brothers drag.
Speaker 1: It was. It was down to like the scoring, trying
Speaker 1: to be a Safty Brothers movie, and it really annoyed me.
Speaker 1: And I thought, you're trying to get away with this
Speaker 1: being satirical, but you're trying to like put this under
Speaker 1: the wrapping of it being this like gritty, overly saturated
Speaker 1: color corrected Safty Brothers movie with all this like electro
Speaker 1: technos music under it, and like there's blood and core
Speaker 1: and all. It's like it just was such a chaotic
Speaker 1: mess of a movie. To me, I thought Rosamond was great.
Speaker 1: I really elect the performances I thought were good. Um,
Speaker 1: I thought that I really didn't know if the movie
Speaker 1: was trying to make us root for that woman or not.
Speaker 1: See I do not think the movie ever at any
Speaker 1: point asks us or wants us to be on her side,
Speaker 1: and I think if people think that that is on
Speaker 1: them and and I'm talking only stupid, No I'm not,
Speaker 1: I'm not, but but I also I also understand that
Speaker 1: like in framing her as the protagonists like and and
Speaker 1: also giving her like a romantic situation, and like you
Speaker 1: seeing anything about her that you can empathize with, our
Speaker 1: sympathize with that, I would be I would be where
Speaker 1: you're at. My thing is I just I guess I
Speaker 1: looked at it from the very jump as like, oh,
Speaker 1: I hate this woman. We're supposed to hate this woman, sure,
Speaker 1: but you're right. It's like, but then we're invested in
Speaker 1: her because she has this like love, she is looking
Speaker 1: out for someone else's well being and like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and because she's the lead of the movie, and you're
Speaker 1: kind of I think that we as people that you know,
Speaker 1: you know, we've all like we're all students of the
Speaker 1: modern screenplay, all students of the modern film. Like we're
Speaker 1: all waiting for the point where it's like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is why she's this way, Whereas I think that that
Speaker 1: never came, and I liked that about it. It's just
Speaker 1: like this woman is evil. She is and this person exists,
Speaker 1: and this is based on something that happened, and this
Speaker 1: could be happening everywhere. And I think that it was
Speaker 1: a comment on how little people care when it comes
Speaker 1: to to, you know, furthering their own self interest when
Speaker 1: it comes at the expense of other people's health and lives.
Speaker 1: What I will say is I completely agree with you
Speaker 1: about the tone being crazy. When Christmas Cina came in
Speaker 1: to argue in the in the court and he was
Speaker 1: wearing that suit, I was like, see this is where
Speaker 1: I feel like. Yeah. I was like, what are we
Speaker 1: trying to accomplish her? If I'm the judge and he
Speaker 1: comes in looking like that, I'm like, you're not taking
Speaker 1: me seriously. You don't take yourself serious. What is this?
Speaker 1: You're wearing a pinstriped wool suit. No, and again with
Speaker 1: the music, You're right it it's funny that you bring up,
Speaker 1: um like the Safty Brothers of it all. Because someone
Speaker 1: did get in my d MS and was like, can
Speaker 1: you talk about the similarities between I Care a Lot
Speaker 1: and Uncut Gems? And I was like, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there's there are similarities there. It's just down to the ending,
Speaker 1: down to you, right, And I did I did think
Speaker 1: the ending went there. I guess I respect I Care
Speaker 1: a Lot and Promising Young Woman because they both went
Speaker 1: for it, you know what I mean like it, but
Speaker 1: I just felt like and no one, no one throw
Speaker 1: anything at me for saying this, But I felt like
Speaker 1: I Care a lot said something about one, whereas like
Speaker 1: Promising Young Woman's felt like a movie that was written
Speaker 1: in two thousand seventeen and came out and maybe it
Speaker 1: took four years to make Sweetie. Yes, it just it
Speaker 1: just felt a little bit behind that conversation and until
Speaker 1: it did something really bold at the end, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, we've talked about I know, I see what
Speaker 1: you're saying, and I don't think that warrants anyone throwing
Speaker 1: anything at you. I just think I was really put off.
Speaker 1: Well I think that's the point. That's I think that's
Speaker 1: the point, you know, I know, I know, I know,
Speaker 1: I know, but it's like I was even put off
Speaker 1: by Rosen and pigs acceptance speech. I was like, I know,
Speaker 1: it seems like it seems like Hollywood talking about this
Speaker 1: in and of itself is a way of them not
Speaker 1: getting it exactly. And I'm like, you're you guys think
Speaker 1: you accomplished something by making a movie that like leaves
Speaker 1: the viewer feeling empty, And I don't think that's like
Speaker 1: an actual accomplishment, you know what I'm saying. There was
Speaker 1: an interview she did and she was like, I just
Speaker 1: thought she was the most fascinating character from when I
Speaker 1: flip page to page, I just could not stop watching her.
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I just so amazing. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're what you should be saying is I thought
Speaker 1: she was the most psychotically evil for whatever, and I
Speaker 1: had play fascinating. I was like, there's something about this.
Speaker 1: I'm not honest, that's wrong. And what I appreciate about
Speaker 1: it maybe is that it's like a movie where the
Speaker 1: protagonist is a woman that you that is really unlikable,
Speaker 1: who is really unlikable. But the way that it tries
Speaker 1: to like thread this needle, I think very like intentionally
Speaker 1: is to make you invested in her like outcome, you know,
Speaker 1: like you're spoke us to feel something about her getting
Speaker 1: spoiler alert, like we're spoiling murder but murdered in the end.
Speaker 1: And I don't know that, like you come away from
Speaker 1: the movie like I think it's more impactful that Carrie
Speaker 1: Mulligan's character gets murdered and Promising a Woman that right,
Speaker 1: So I'm just thinking, like, I don't know, Promising Young
Speaker 1: Woman is a better movie than I care a lot.
Speaker 1: Let's just say that. I just think in terms in
Speaker 1: terms of like what I left walking away with. I
Speaker 1: don't know this this movie made me think about something
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about as much. That's that's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 1: I think this is a wonderful conversation. Well, and I
Speaker 1: will say this anytime. The villain in the movie is
Speaker 1: Peter Dinkledge, I do roll my fucking eyes. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like Christoph Walts being in a movie. I'm like, girl,
Speaker 1: we have seen this a million times, Like can we
Speaker 1: see like Peter Dinklage play someone that's not like I
Speaker 1: Just once he came on, I was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is like this is like a level of camp now.
Speaker 1: And then it's sort of the movie sort of was
Speaker 1: a little bit like you're supposed to be impressed now
Speaker 1: by how evil Like they keep one upping each other
Speaker 1: with how bad they are. Even Diane Weeks just like
Speaker 1: gets involved in it, and I'm just like, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a movie that is about the darkest, darkest,
Speaker 1: darkest minds in society, who are the movers and shakers
Speaker 1: of society. And there was a little bit about it
Speaker 1: that was like, you know, the plot takes some big
Speaker 1: fucking swings, like and I again, I appreciate a movie
Speaker 1: that goes there. But I was like, am I supposed
Speaker 1: to be impressed? Like? Am I rooting for? I didn't
Speaker 1: feel the girl boss thing. But whenever Peter Dinklage comes
Speaker 1: in and is like a badass, I do think there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of like, look at this guy. Go
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyways,
Speaker 1: I mean, but we love seeing Diane West. Love seeing
Speaker 1: Diane we I thought Diane West was great. She just
Speaker 1: kind of she's kind of the best part of it.
Speaker 1: She was the best part of me when she when
Speaker 1: she when she says, have at it you and Crock
Speaker 1: of Seaword. No, she said you Croc of Seaword, crowd,
Speaker 1: have at it you Croc of Seaword. Oh man, all right,
Speaker 1: So the time has officially come. Um it has been
Speaker 1: three months sometime now. Three months. Wow, that's crazy. Since
Speaker 1: Evermore was released and Bowen and I famously were a
Speaker 1: little bit um stressed about it because we had just
Speaker 1: been sort of inundating ourselves. We were just embarking on
Speaker 1: the twelve Days of Culture. That was a really stressful time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we just put were our plates were to fall.
Speaker 1: I have the time to really cover it and the
Speaker 1: way that we did Folklore on Taylor Taylor. Yes, and
Speaker 1: I mean someone, um, someone on Vulture recently brought up
Speaker 1: the Taylor Taylor episode as a way of just like
Speaker 1: a fun way to like just sort of you know,
Speaker 1: dip your toe into the world of Taylor Taylor. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: this episode should be swift swift, swift swift. That that
Speaker 1: only makes because there in listening to this album, I
Speaker 1: feel she well, there's a lot of themes here that
Speaker 1: it actually it feels like a much more complete album
Speaker 1: than I thought. Um, it really is different from Folklore.
Speaker 1: I feel like evermore like there's she is. Really Infidelity
Speaker 1: is a huge thing for her. Have you noticed this?
Speaker 1: Infidelity is a huge thing for her. Grief is a
Speaker 1: huge thing for her in this nostalgia obviously salgia like
Speaker 1: person like you know, family history and like the way
Speaker 1: things age like for her, had like a song called
Speaker 1: Ivy and Willow and the imagery is very focused, but
Speaker 1: I think the breadth musically is wider and just as
Speaker 1: deep as it was on Folklore. But folklore to me,
Speaker 1: and I love folklore, and I think I actually prefer
Speaker 1: folklore for evermore. Um, but Folklore to me felt more
Speaker 1: because she had to be so impactful with this new turnover.
Speaker 1: Um it was a more focus sound with a really deep, like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, lyrical sort of thing. But this feels like
Speaker 1: she's broad in the scope, but it's just as deep
Speaker 1: as it was. It feels like it feels like Red.
Speaker 1: It feels like Red more than a lot of her
Speaker 1: recent albums have. Well what I was picking up on
Speaker 1: throughout this entire and listening to the album again and
Speaker 1: like taking notes through it and like really trying to
Speaker 1: like soak into it. It doesn't feel personal until the end,
Speaker 1: and then it's very personal. Like you had an interesting theory,
Speaker 1: I said, go ahead, Well, I don't think it gets
Speaker 1: really personal at all until Like the thing with Folklore
Speaker 1: is it was so like a modern myth, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like she she wasn't writing as herself
Speaker 1: and a lot of it or it didn't feel like
Speaker 1: she was she was taking on characters and everything, and
Speaker 1: with this album, I thought that was also true. And
Speaker 1: it was not until Long Story Short, which is um
Speaker 1: deep into the album that I felt like she was
Speaker 1: really talking as Taylor herself, or she was because that
Speaker 1: we'll get to that song, but because I think it's
Speaker 1: really interesting. I think it's Taylor talking to Taylor, and
Speaker 1: I think it's very interesting. The song sounds like Taylor
Speaker 1: to me. It's the populist song that's across the two
Speaker 1: all of us. So I think that might have something
Speaker 1: to do with the fact that like it's She literally
Speaker 1: has a line that is let me read the line.
Speaker 1: I wrote it down because I thought it was so interesting.
Speaker 1: It was it was past me. I want to tell
Speaker 1: you not to get lost in these petty things. Your
Speaker 1: nemeses will defeat themselves before you even get a chance
Speaker 1: to swing. So it's Taylor talking to Taylor, and she's saying,
Speaker 1: we know we have an impulse to be Taylor, but
Speaker 1: get back to Taylor. You will always be Taylor. She's
Speaker 1: trying to tell herself get back to Taylor, and I
Speaker 1: just thought, yeah, I wrote, just feels like this is
Speaker 1: Taylor talking about taylor most confessional song here because everything
Speaker 1: else just felt non specific to her. And I think
Speaker 1: that sort of you know, reputation ish sound that's in
Speaker 1: the production of Long Story Short is there on purpose
Speaker 1: because it feels like and after that, you know, we
Speaker 1: have Marjorie, which is obviously a very personal about her
Speaker 1: own life, and then Closure, which is about Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 1: And I actually think I don't think it is about Kim,
Speaker 1: but it is. It is. It's literally I think it's
Speaker 1: about Calvin. I don't. I don't think you think Kim
Speaker 1: Kardashian wrote Taylor a letter. You think it's about Calvin Harriss.
Speaker 1: I don't think she think Kim Kardashian would write a
Speaker 1: letter to anybody, much less Taylor Swift. And that's not
Speaker 1: that's not a dig on her intelligence. I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian doesn't write letters to people. Um, I heard
Speaker 1: that Kim Kardashian. Maybe it wasn't a letter. Maybe that
Speaker 1: was Taylor sort of being Taylor and like kicking her
Speaker 1: feet through the sand and being like it would be
Speaker 1: cool if it was a letter in the imagery at least,
Speaker 1: like maybe it was an email. Maybe it was a
Speaker 1: fucking text. I don't know how Kim Kardashian does things, um,
Speaker 1: but I heard that she did reach out to her
Speaker 1: once she realized her marriage with Kanye West was done
Speaker 1: and apologized for the that she behaved with the I
Speaker 1: forget who told me this, but I think this is
Speaker 1: like a thing like I think closure is you are
Speaker 1: an inside pretty specifically about like how Kim Kardashian reached
Speaker 1: out to her to sort of apologize and make amends,
Speaker 1: and she was like, I'm not responding to this. I
Speaker 1: didn't need this. This is more for you than it
Speaker 1: is for me. But I think in writing the song
Speaker 1: she has, she's like sort of caved into her worst
Speaker 1: interests because you clearly did want to address it. Because
Speaker 1: the song is here, you can't. She can't help but
Speaker 1: address it because she knows that like that's a little
Speaker 1: bit of Taylor seeping through the Taylor will she will
Speaker 1: never be able to That's what I'm saying. So it's
Speaker 1: so funny on long story short, where she as Taylor
Speaker 1: is saying to Taylor, don't be Taylor, and then on Closure,
Speaker 1: Taylor is back, and those are the two characters people
Speaker 1: can talk about, like Dorothea and whoever to them season
Speaker 1: is about. But the two characters here are yet again
Speaker 1: Taylor and Taylor or as or ms Swift and Mrs Swift.
Speaker 1: I think I don't think there was that duality on Folklore.
Speaker 1: The duality is present in Evermore. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: would agree. I think that I think that Evermore has
Speaker 1: more Taylor than Folklore does. And I think it's so
Speaker 1: that is so true because we have this thing that
Speaker 1: happens at the end of the album when she literally
Speaker 1: dips into being personal and then she really should have
Speaker 1: ended the album with Marjorie from me because closure. We
Speaker 1: didn't need it. She didn't need to do it. We
Speaker 1: didn't need it. I don't know, I don't need any more.
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian Kanye West narrative with Taylor Swift. I would
Speaker 1: very much like to remove myself from this narrative. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, girl, I that was artful, by the way.
Speaker 1: I want I want to ask you, should we talk
Speaker 1: about this whole Netflix tweet from last week? I wanted to.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it because I think it's
Speaker 1: I think it's Taylor. I was gonna say it's Taylor,
Speaker 1: say it's Taylor, and I'm so well, I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: any time Taylor, no, this is a Taylor Swift as
Speaker 1: a public figure, will always be Taylor. Her own reckoning,
Speaker 1: with her own experience will always be Taylor. Anytime she's
Speaker 1: writing music and actually expressing through her art in this
Speaker 1: like n adulterated way that has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: her public life, it is Taylor. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: she's not allowed to like cross pollenate those two identities
Speaker 1: or those two like parts of herself, because but we are.
Speaker 1: But I am saying that, like that is a really
Speaker 1: interesting split in her personhood because she is an incredible artist,
Speaker 1: as we all know, and she's also someone who has
Speaker 1: like so carefully curated and cultivated this persona, this public
Speaker 1: person and so does that make sense? It makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think she that's so because because
Speaker 1: because that tweet, it was like I was taken all
Speaker 1: the way back to oh my god, I wasn't we're
Speaker 1: having this conversation again, literally, like which just not to
Speaker 1: say that like that that that whole joke is fucked
Speaker 1: up and stupid, but I'm saying that's like Taylor, you
Speaker 1: would imagine that she's and this is not like putting
Speaker 1: the onus on her to like move on, move past this,
Speaker 1: but you would imagine that she is like I would
Speaker 1: imagine her as a public figure who has been whose
Speaker 1: dating life has been talked about for so so so long,
Speaker 1: that she would be like, fuck it, who cares? Let
Speaker 1: them talk about it. But that's the thing she is
Speaker 1: not able to. Like. That's why I'm so positive that
Speaker 1: closure is about Kim Kardashian, because she actually is not
Speaker 1: the type of girl that's moved past this stuff. She's
Speaker 1: actually you know, I don't know vindictive is the right word,
Speaker 1: but like she is the kind of person like and
Speaker 1: it's all over for folklore, how angry she is at
Speaker 1: the people that have done her wrong. How and and
Speaker 1: she is justified. But with this, this was Taylor because
Speaker 1: she did not need to tweet this, and and she
Speaker 1: can use her social media however she wants. But I
Speaker 1: just think it's the most innocuous joke in the world.
Speaker 1: It's been told a million times. No one cares, No
Speaker 1: one thinks less of Taylor Swift when they hear a
Speaker 1: joke like this, which is, oh, you go through men
Speaker 1: like Taylor Swift goes through guys whatever, like just like
Speaker 1: a reference to the fact that she like had a
Speaker 1: lot of boyfriends for a while that the public was
Speaker 1: picking up on. And and look, is it. Is it misogynist? Sure,
Speaker 1: because we we look at her and we sort of like,
Speaker 1: you know, rake her across the coals for her relationship struggles,
Speaker 1: and we don't do it to guys, like and that's
Speaker 1: been said a million times. But my problem is, like
Speaker 1: it's it's always gonna be punching down with her, like
Speaker 1: she's the biggest musician in the world. The show is
Speaker 1: about like a mixed race, single mom and her daughter,
Speaker 1: like it's it's women created it, women wrote it. Like
Speaker 1: no one's out to get you with this, dude. I
Speaker 1: have an interesting thing to bring up contextually, which is,
Speaker 1: do you think she saw the Brittany dock and was like,
Speaker 1: they're doing that to me. I have no idea, But
Speaker 1: she also should know that her story is completely different
Speaker 1: from of course, so I don't think so. I just
Speaker 1: thought it was it was a little ridiculous and sad
Speaker 1: that she felt the need to go after this show.
Speaker 1: I think there is something to be said about her
Speaker 1: maybe drawing some parallels and thinking I have had my
Speaker 1: sexuality like scrutinized, I've had my dating life scrutinized. This
Speaker 1: is violence and I have to like speak out against this.
Speaker 1: I just think this was an interesting moment and an
Speaker 1: interesting reaction to that moment, where like I did not
Speaker 1: know about this fucking show and neither she helped him
Speaker 1: out in a huge way. Maybe that's also part of it, well,
Speaker 1: that there are people online who are like, this is it?
Speaker 1: This is like this is like guerrilla marketing where promoting
Speaker 1: this Netflix show because she is she has a relationship
Speaker 1: with Netflix. Whatever. I actually think that's what it is
Speaker 1: really interesting and the way she but she also did
Speaker 1: call out Netflix in the tweet. She did like SpongeBob
Speaker 1: like caps lowercase caps, lewercase, I'm like, there's too much
Speaker 1: going on here, Like she you could tell this was
Speaker 1: like a very reactionary thing and like she was upset,
Speaker 1: and like that makes total sense. You think that like
Speaker 1: this is this is this is a I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. It's it's it's a trigger.
Speaker 1: It's clearly a clearly a trigger. She couldn't believe the
Speaker 1: joke was still happening. Like, you know, she went through
Speaker 1: a lot of grief because of you know, content related
Speaker 1: to her relationships. I just thought by tweeting the this,
Speaker 1: you actually brought so much more attention to that. UM. Again,
Speaker 1: she can use her social media however she wants. If
Speaker 1: I was her, I wouldn't have made an issue of this.
Speaker 1: But also, like, I don't know how much it upset her.
Speaker 1: Clearly it really upsets her UM. But you know, luckily
Speaker 1: she's got all the fucking talent in the world. Talk
Speaker 1: about the way that she feels like and I think
Speaker 1: that this album, like evermore. I think it's really so
Speaker 1: much better than the first few times I let myself
Speaker 1: listen to it. I don't think it's perfect because there's
Speaker 1: just there. There are three songs I would just cut um,
Speaker 1: which is kind of my issue with almost everything anyone
Speaker 1: puts out. Now let's go through track by track, So
Speaker 1: we start with Willow Girl. This to me said first
Speaker 1: single in a way that Cardigan never could. Willow has Cardigans.
Speaker 1: And it's like with albums like this that are so
Speaker 1: like works of art capital W capital A. I understand
Speaker 1: that they don't feel the need to give you a
Speaker 1: first single, but it is just kind of nice to
Speaker 1: feel like, oh, I could definitely hear this on the radio,
Speaker 1: and then when I do hear it on the radio,
Speaker 1: I feel like it fits there. And Willow to me
Speaker 1: is like a great first single and fills that purpose
Speaker 1: as well as being a great song on its own right,
Speaker 1: which I can't say that about Card Again. I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't say that about Card Again. Willow is the
Speaker 1: perfect representative of this album and it it would play
Speaker 1: on radio in a way that like you'd be like, yes,
Speaker 1: of course. And the dancing which al Iray remix Oh
Speaker 1: Please she was getting, which before Whichie came to the
Speaker 1: culture in a big way again with Miss Harkness, and
Speaker 1: I will say when I heard her say wreck my plans,
Speaker 1: that's my man, I said, you might hear me saying
Speaker 1: that during sexual intercourse. I'm gonna have to tell a man,
Speaker 1: who's you know, getting getting me plowed to wreck my plans.
Speaker 1: You might catch me saying to a man life was
Speaker 1: a willow and it bent right to your wind while
Speaker 1: he is analingusing me, Oh my god, you might be
Speaker 1: hearing me say that's my man right after I bleep
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on one more. You might catch me
Speaker 1: saying I'm like the water when you're ship rolled in
Speaker 1: that night to a man. The more that you say
Speaker 1: as he is tugging me and my balls, or that
Speaker 1: you say, the less. I really love this song, but
Speaker 1: I feel the album gets better when we go one
Speaker 1: to Try too because Champagne problems. You know, I love
Speaker 1: this is my favorite type of tailor, and I feel,
Speaker 1: you know what I think is a good throwback for
Speaker 1: this type of song, back to December, like her being
Speaker 1: like contrite contemplato, yes, just being like I'm not going
Speaker 1: to give myself any credit here, like I hurt someone,
Speaker 1: it didn't work out, and I you will be so
Speaker 1: much better off without me in your life. Romantically. I
Speaker 1: love it. She doesn't really have that many of this song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of like this guy, but this is
Speaker 1: not like that, which is which is fine, Like if
Speaker 1: that's her ratio, then that's her ratio. But I do
Speaker 1: I think that's a really really good apt comparison. Let's
Speaker 1: move on. Yeah, the protagonist does not try to absolve herself,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if this is her here an
Speaker 1: autobiography song, but it was beautiful. She said she said
Speaker 1: to someone go find someone who's going to appreciate you
Speaker 1: and not leave you standing. Okay, the only the person
Speaker 1: who did it best with autobiography was actually Simpson. Oh
Speaker 1: she the autobiography was the best autobiography. And that's actually
Speaker 1: a little culture number sixty at Simpson autobiography was the
Speaker 1: best autobiography. Yeah, um, what do you feel about gold Rush?
Speaker 1: Gold Rush? I maybe I don't get it. Everyone seems
Speaker 1: to really love it. It took me so many times
Speaker 1: to get it. The first time I was listening to it,
Speaker 1: I was like, the melodic shift, it's just not a
Speaker 1: straightforward pop melody, like it's sort of it's sort of
Speaker 1: tricky stating Yeah, I like that, And I I didn't
Speaker 1: get that at first, and I was just like I
Speaker 1: was nervous when when that when when the song was happening,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't getting it because I was like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: is this album gonna be super like experimental? Like am
Speaker 1: I not going to get any straight forward like pop
Speaker 1: jam on it? And I think it exists in a
Speaker 1: really sweet spot between those two, like it does something different,
Speaker 1: but it still is a bop like and I will
Speaker 1: say the song really came to my came to life
Speaker 1: for me when I saw Benito Skinner dancing to it
Speaker 1: in the in the fields, perfect and just I mean
Speaker 1: he was doing every single move in the book and
Speaker 1: he really made you realize, like you can fucking wrack
Speaker 1: the dance Florida. This song was it think. I think
Speaker 1: he posted that and he said, like when people say,
Speaker 1: like you can't dance to evermore and then he proved
Speaker 1: us all wrong. He prowd us all wrong. Also, like
Speaker 1: when you listen to the lyrics, like it's about like
Speaker 1: it's about your crush being out of your league and
Speaker 1: it's about thinking that. And I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: like like I don't want the gold Rush, Like I
Speaker 1: I am not of the energy to compete with all
Speaker 1: these girls. You are so perfect and it's so it's
Speaker 1: so kind of like it's very illustrative, and I feel like, um,
Speaker 1: the whole gold Rush imagery and like the whole like
Speaker 1: golden child of it all. Like this show. The song
Speaker 1: like glows gold in a in a way that the
Speaker 1: metaphor is strong, very strong, very deeply that literally literary queen. Now,
Speaker 1: this next song to the damn Season made me feel
Speaker 1: like maybe Taylor listens to Lost Culture, do you think
Speaker 1: this is lost. I think tis the damn Season is
Speaker 1: lost coach language. I think it's like Adie Bryant language. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think this is like something our friend miss Adie
Speaker 1: Bryant would say. But you don't. She would say that
Speaker 1: tis the damn season. She'd be like, tis the damn season.
Speaker 1: I could hear her say it right now, tis the
Speaker 1: damn season. Um well, I think it's a great song. This,
Speaker 1: This is one of the This is the first line
Speaker 1: in the album where I was like, Taylor's here right
Speaker 1: in one another line Taylor or Taylor Taylor, Taylor, Taylor,
Speaker 1: Taylor is is here. Throughout the album, Taylor poked her
Speaker 1: head in with this line the so called friends who
Speaker 1: write books about me if I ever made it like,
Speaker 1: I just thought that was so Taylor. This is Dorothea.
Speaker 1: I know, but that I'm just saying. Taylor definitely wrote
Speaker 1: that line like Taylor was sitting there like with her
Speaker 1: tea and her eyes went black. And Taylor wrote that
Speaker 1: one line and Taylor, she's sucking puzz um. So but this, yes,
Speaker 1: this is Dorothea is the narrator of the song, and
Speaker 1: Doug says a low vocal keeper she's in the basement
Speaker 1: on this whole album though, yeah, she really is. Doug
Speaker 1: did Dog just listen to this one song and was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: hold on, well, I do think we need to talk
Speaker 1: to We need to bring Doug in at the end
Speaker 1: of this. I really wanted to get I really want
Speaker 1: to see what Doug thinks that ever I think it was.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's just like we we We'll be
Speaker 1: coming in, He'll be coming in. But I feel like
Speaker 1: this is a good song. It's a Christmas song, and
Speaker 1: I think it's a good song for anyone who knows
Speaker 1: what it's like to keep coming back to that one man.
Speaker 1: Anyone keeps coming back to that one man. I know
Speaker 1: my sister bo and keeps going back to that one man.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to go to Tupelo to get him,
Speaker 1: but he goes back. I'm trying to pull myself away.
Speaker 1: We all know what it's like to not be able
Speaker 1: to pull ourselves away from the dick. Okay, And that's
Speaker 1: what's his damn season is about it. This girl, young Dorothea,
Speaker 1: she goes home to her hometown and she wants the
Speaker 1: dick ha ha and and she gets it. Each and
Speaker 1: every time. Should move on to the track five of
Speaker 1: this album, The big track five Tolerated one of the
Speaker 1: only songs on my first listen to this album where
Speaker 1: I was like, Yes, tolerated. This is an incredible song
Speaker 1: about not feeling validated or loved back by a partner.
Speaker 1: And you know the imagery I'm gonna paint a portrait
Speaker 1: of you with my finest colors, and also that that's
Speaker 1: sort of like eighteen hundreds of it all. And also
Speaker 1: to know that she uses the words fancy shit, I
Speaker 1: love it. This is two thousand twenty one Taylor writing
Speaker 1: a timeless classic about unrequited love, even when you're in
Speaker 1: a relationship waiting for your man to come home and
Speaker 1: he don't give a shit about you. Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: another song I love about this. I'm in the penthouse
Speaker 1: half naked. Yes, I cook this hell you jealous has
Speaker 1: what Tolerated wants? Sorry about it? Sorry, even if even
Speaker 1: for a track five a Beyonce song I did you
Speaker 1: Wish the June me. You can feel this feeling I
Speaker 1: never broke one promise and the knowing you're not honest.
Speaker 1: Now you got me, Helena, That's because I'm just go
Speaker 1: bo do it. He doesn't. He doesn't know Beyonce lyrics. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't. Beyonce Self Titled was a while ago. You
Speaker 1: know that it is the classic? Okay, mother, wow was
Speaker 1: that two December? I skept it. But Jealous isn't my
Speaker 1: was one of my skips, and I'm sorry to say what,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Jealous is my favorite on the album. No,
Speaker 1: I was here for fucking blow for the typical like
Speaker 1: run of the Millyeah, you are a diamond doesn't like groundbreaking,
Speaker 1: So you really broke ground with that one Queen and
Speaker 1: a half. You really broke ground with that one queen
Speaker 1: and a half. That's really good. That's that's almost as
Speaker 1: good as croc crocacy word. Crocacy word. I fucking love.
Speaker 1: I wish I could use that. We probably can. No, No,
Speaker 1: so tolerated. We we'll cut, We'll cut, no cutting, no
Speaker 1: cutting ever, all right. I also thought that intolerated. It's
Speaker 1: kind of cool how her voice gets stronger as the
Speaker 1: song goes. Did you notice that? I did notice that?
Speaker 1: And that's yeah. I like that too, And I think
Speaker 1: that's such a beautiful artistic choice. I don't really have
Speaker 1: anything to add you came with the nuts, we'll tolerate
Speaker 1: it's well, I just let's probably because I knew we
Speaker 1: were doing this and I thought it should we should
Speaker 1: at least put our academic drag on. Sure. Sure, I
Speaker 1: just I just saved it for specific songs. Anyway, I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you think about I think it did it good?
Speaker 1: I just can't. Um, I really this was a song
Speaker 1: that I really disliked it on the first lesson, but
Speaker 1: over time has really grown on me. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you why you hate it after after you finish your thought,
Speaker 1: finish your thought, and then I'll tell you why you're
Speaker 1: because because I compared to Goodbye or all No, that's like, no,
Speaker 1: I really liked that. I just in terms of like
Speaker 1: a different kind of storytelling song, like the What's what drives?
Speaker 1: It is different from a lot of other Taylor songs,
Speaker 1: um in in in terms of the storytelling engine. But um,
Speaker 1: why do you think I hate it? You have said
Speaker 1: you're maxed out on true crime and this is inspired
Speaker 1: by true crime. This is this song is literally written
Speaker 1: because Taylor loves true crime, and I think that's why
Speaker 1: you don't like it. And I have to say, I
Speaker 1: really liked it the first time I listened to it
Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, that's really different and I
Speaker 1: recognize this, and now in listening to it again, I
Speaker 1: think it's just like it's a great hook. It's like
Speaker 1: a well executed, like simple type of country rock pop song.
Speaker 1: But I wonder if we've heard this song a million
Speaker 1: times and that's why it kind of feels like and
Speaker 1: we've maybe heard it just done in a way that
Speaker 1: didn't feel as overstuffed as this one is, Like Goodbye Earl,
Speaker 1: Like that's like a very clear narrative. The narrative is clear,
Speaker 1: but like the bridge is like all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: there's a million things happening. Yeah you have, she's only
Speaker 1: trying to track her narrative here, and like it does
Speaker 1: check out, but it's it's stuffed. It's well, she's always
Speaker 1: been worthy. Like she and I have that in common
Speaker 1: where we use where we're just very wordy and it
Speaker 1: kind of works too against us a lot of times
Speaker 1: we're pretty what are you talking about? I think this
Speaker 1: was like I feel like that and and and it
Speaker 1: sounds like before he cheats, but it's it's all that
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I said, take this song give me
Speaker 1: two Black Cadillacs any day. Like you know that Caronderwood
Speaker 1: song that's a really good one. I just think, like
Speaker 1: I've heard her vocals great on this, Like I think
Speaker 1: it's that I think he did. I just think she
Speaker 1: she delivers it really well, and I think it ends
Speaker 1: up being very satisfying, especially the last. But um, I
Speaker 1: think it just it's if I'm judging it, like compared
Speaker 1: to other songs that are like this, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's better or worse. I just think it's this. It
Speaker 1: doesn't offer anything new to the conversation. It just feels
Speaker 1: like Taylor finally did her version of this, which is cool.
Speaker 1: I just don't know if it's like it actually wasn't
Speaker 1: but not before. Actually, happiness is one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: I love happiness. Love happiness so much, the sitting in
Speaker 1: every emotion that this song has, like the the way,
Speaker 1: the way that this song is able to get across
Speaker 1: pretty much all the emotions that you feel when a
Speaker 1: relationship ends, like it mentions like the shock of it,
Speaker 1: the disbelief, the vindictiveness, the fact that like it becomes
Speaker 1: about things, the memories, the nostalgia of it, the eventual
Speaker 1: like understanding of why things happen, the need for the
Speaker 1: other person to validate the fact that you were not
Speaker 1: just a bad thing in their life. That's something that
Speaker 1: I really identified with. I remember, like when when we
Speaker 1: did our acid trip, you cried, You cried, I did cry,
Speaker 1: and I realized. I remember, I realized I had a
Speaker 1: big realization about my first relationship ending. It was like
Speaker 1: I just wanted him too, You wanted him to not
Speaker 1: think you were that you were a bad person. It's
Speaker 1: not even about again being absolved though, it's it's more
Speaker 1: like it's it was more like I just want to
Speaker 1: know that you'll always care, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like like I hope that because our relationship didn't ended,
Speaker 1: that it's not this thing of like we feel like
Speaker 1: because the narrative of breakups is what it is, like
Speaker 1: we can't still care about each other and look back
Speaker 1: on it as a fond thing. Like there is happiness
Speaker 1: after you. There was happiness because of you, There was
Speaker 1: happiness because of me. There will be happiness after me.
Speaker 1: Like that that's such an important thing when a relationship ends.
Speaker 1: I think if you can get there, like it's something
Speaker 1: that that's really how you get closure on a relationship.
Speaker 1: And I think that this song, like it really gets
Speaker 1: that really beautifully illustrates that. Yeah, so this is Taylor
Speaker 1: playing a boy again and I just want to say,
Speaker 1: we love this song. Oh I just I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: compare it to Betty Betty. No many have, but Betty
Speaker 1: Betty is I think one of my favorite favorite Taylor
Speaker 1: songs ever. And Dorothea is very good, totally different, going
Speaker 1: for a totally different thing. But I just think Betty
Speaker 1: is something that like swells at the end and it's
Speaker 1: so satisfying. Dorothy is a nice vibe throughout. I don't
Speaker 1: know that it really grows or like dynamically changes from
Speaker 1: like the beginning, but I think it's a lovely song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's a lovely song. I think Dorothea is
Speaker 1: not trying to be the star, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Dorothya is not trying to be She's not trying to
Speaker 1: take any space. Like That's something I do like about
Speaker 1: Taylor in this new era is like it feels like
Speaker 1: she's and I of course love whenever every song is
Speaker 1: a hit on an album, Like That's why I love nine,
Speaker 1: like because the majority of it are huge smashes, but
Speaker 1: like it feels like she on these albums are like No,
Speaker 1: this song is like a more simple thing about It's
Speaker 1: a simple guy who lives in a simple town and
Speaker 1: he wishes that this girl who went off to become
Speaker 1: a TV star, um Dorothea, would come home and live
Speaker 1: a simpler life with him, because he knows that she
Speaker 1: doesn't need all of that a lovely so like such
Speaker 1: a lovely narrative and I think it's really sweet and
Speaker 1: cute and um it wasn't one of my favorites when
Speaker 1: I first started, because I think it's not trying to
Speaker 1: be the star. But now that I can listen to
Speaker 1: it as as a part of a whole, I I
Speaker 1: do really like it a lot. And there is something
Speaker 1: too Dorothy that is cute. There's a little tailor in there.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. I think this is a cut for you.
Speaker 1: This is a cut from We Now Get to Coney Allen,
Speaker 1: which is a huge cut from me because I don't
Speaker 1: need this, like Retrade on these themes, I feel like
Speaker 1: it's the ninth spot on an album. Is a tough
Speaker 1: spot to put a song that like melodically, storyline wise,
Speaker 1: like thematically, like Justine says, a whole bunch of the
Speaker 1: things that we've been hearing, like these themes have been
Speaker 1: throughout the whole album already. We don't need Coney Island.
Speaker 1: And I also, like controversial opinion, I don't need any
Speaker 1: male feature on a Taylor album. I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear a man's voice and Charon caught shaking your goddamn right.
Speaker 1: I think Endgame would have been better if it was
Speaker 1: just Taylor. I think Future has to introduce us to
Speaker 1: the world that is this is a hip hop song. Sure,
Speaker 1: and then you have Taylor come in, And it would
Speaker 1: have been great if she had two verses instead of
Speaker 1: just one, because her verse did end up being the best.
Speaker 1: Let me take it back. I don't need any I
Speaker 1: don't need I don't need the National and I don't
Speaker 1: need Bony their on these albums. Like I just I
Speaker 1: get that they're huge parts of making them. I just personally,
Speaker 1: whenever their male voice is cut in, like maybe it's
Speaker 1: there very specific baritone sound, I'm just like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: Like stop bringing me back down to earth. I want
Speaker 1: to be up in the sky with Taylor is taking
Speaker 1: me out of it. Yeah, yeah, I just don't. I
Speaker 1: don't need it. I don't need it. Do You also
Speaker 1: feel like it's not even specific to Coney Island, which
Speaker 1: I know sounds down, but it's like if she's she's
Speaker 1: trying to listen all these images of like, oh, all
Speaker 1: the times we spent on Coney Island, but it's not
Speaker 1: even like I don't even think she doesn't bring up
Speaker 1: to Nathan's. She doesn't bring up ski ball at all.
Speaker 1: She never talks about riding the cyclone. She never talks
Speaker 1: about taking the damn shuttle bus into it, honey, or
Speaker 1: the ferry. She never talks about taking the f train
Speaker 1: all the way down. She certainly doesn't because you know,
Speaker 1: she wrote in a black Car, Honey, it's about class.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, this song is about
Speaker 1: class and it's disgusting. And she obviously doesn't know Coney Island,
Speaker 1: not in the way that my girl Beyonce does, who
Speaker 1: famously shot the video in Coney Island. It's actually a
Speaker 1: retal culture number two. Beyonce shot Land really culture. So
Speaker 1: we're not we're not going to compare Beyonce to Taylor anymore.
Speaker 1: It's too conye of us. What's keep going? I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let you finish. But I've used one of my herod
Speaker 1: songs on the album. I think this is one of
Speaker 1: her best songs period period, and that's on period, and
Speaker 1: that's on period. The like lyrically it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what what did you just do? That's incredible? Yeah, the
Speaker 1: ivy growing all over your stone house, girl, you are
Speaker 1: not able to help these feelings. They will cover you.
Speaker 1: And I love this again this infidelity thing, Like, notice
Speaker 1: this is attract ten and elicit Affairs is attract ten.
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if there's something there because there's the
Speaker 1: discussion and um sort of because there's sort of similar
Speaker 1: sounding to elicit affairs. She's the other woman and in
Speaker 1: in Ivy she is the person who is doing the cheating,
Speaker 1: So it's it's I mean, I guess it's a nice
Speaker 1: and version too. I just think but I just even
Speaker 1: if you take the infidelity out of it, I just
Speaker 1: think this is a beautiful love song, and I think
Speaker 1: I think I think she kind of wants to make
Speaker 1: it more about how this is like and all consuming
Speaker 1: love and that the asterisk on him is that she's
Speaker 1: already married or that she's already you know her hand
Speaker 1: has been promised to another. Yeah, she loves Oh goddamn
Speaker 1: my pain fits in the palm of your freezing hand
Speaker 1: taking mind, but it's been promised to another. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: such a good writer. I mean, like she loves to
Speaker 1: be in a position of you know this is this
Speaker 1: is very bridget in this song. But to me, this
Speaker 1: is just like she loves to be like emotionally coersative.
Speaker 1: I feel, yes, I can. I also say, I guess
Speaker 1: this is technically a verse like the just just going
Speaker 1: straight from and now I'm covered in clover blooms in
Speaker 1: the field spring. I'm just like that is such a
Speaker 1: musically like, oh I love that, Like that's I just
Speaker 1: think this is such a well produced song on top
Speaker 1: of being one of her best written songs. Lyrically, I
Speaker 1: think this is fantastic. It feels like this song Ivy
Speaker 1: is like the reason why we have Flora, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, if she's gonna do a project
Speaker 1: like this, like the reason that that's so exciting is
Speaker 1: because we can get something like Ivy out of it. Right. Similarly,
Speaker 1: I would say for the next song, Cowboy like Me
Speaker 1: is also I love that song. Yes, I love that song, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Me got you a grew And also here's what
Speaker 1: I love about Cowboy like Me. I wrote the word obsessed.
Speaker 1: I'm actually unclear at the end of it if like
Speaker 1: these two people that have like I get the sense
Speaker 1: that like they've met their match their scammers and they've
Speaker 1: met their matching each other. And I'm actually and I
Speaker 1: love this about the song. I'm unclear at the end
Speaker 1: of the song whether or not Taylor is writing up
Speaker 1: from the perspective of having just been conned by this
Speaker 1: guy as well, or that she knows that she's going
Speaker 1: to can him, because she says, I'm never gonna love again.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna love again. And I feel like you
Speaker 1: can look at it a cup different ways, like I'm
Speaker 1: never gonna love again because I found the love of
Speaker 1: my life. It's you might equal or I'm never gonna
Speaker 1: love again because what we're not hearing is all of
Speaker 1: this led to me getting con the way I've did
Speaker 1: it too many other Getaway car Very, Getaway car Very
Speaker 1: that and I don't know, I just I love that
Speaker 1: about it and I love that I love like the
Speaker 1: slower pace of this what would you call this song?
Speaker 1: It's I don't know. It's just like it sounds like
Speaker 1: a national song. It sounds like the piano you get guitar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just like a bluesy Doug says, bluesy. Yeah, thank you, Doug.
Speaker 1: I love Cowboy like me really really wonderful, wonderful love me.
Speaker 1: So our our next one is long story short, and
Speaker 1: we did talk about this one, but this is this
Speaker 1: is Taylor being like Taylor. We know Taylor exists inside
Speaker 1: of us, and I feel that up until this point
Speaker 1: in the album feels like the most it feels like
Speaker 1: the most old Taylor, and that it's like her talking
Speaker 1: to herself and her fans, being like, here is an
Speaker 1: assessment of the stuff that we all know I went through.
Speaker 1: In that way, it was throwback you to me. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that line past me. I want to tell
Speaker 1: you not to get loved in those petty things. Love
Speaker 1: that love that girl, you know you know that girl.
Speaker 1: And then we have Marjorie lovely song, lovely song. I
Speaker 1: hope to one day write a tribute to my grandmother.
Speaker 1: In this way, it made me feel sad. I mean,
Speaker 1: and this obviously is the point, but it does really,
Speaker 1: I mean, she has that line where she says, um,
Speaker 1: I should have asked you questions. I should have asked
Speaker 1: you how to be? That's so, and she does this
Speaker 1: is enormous, like she's writing down in her Yeah right,
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like she's writing down in the song
Speaker 1: like what she remembers everything she remembers her grandma told
Speaker 1: her like, um, never be sock and you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, you forget to be clever, never be so clever,
Speaker 1: you forget to be kind. And it's just like you
Speaker 1: get that. She takes all these things to heart now
Speaker 1: and wishes she had had more time, and that is emotional. Um,
Speaker 1: you know I've left both my grandparents and are all
Speaker 1: my grandparents both my grandmother's and um, you know those
Speaker 1: are relationships that are finite, very sad. And also you
Speaker 1: hear Marjorie Finlay's vocals sampled in the song, right, those
Speaker 1: like operatic sounds. That's Taylor's actual grandmother. She found she
Speaker 1: found she found like she found the recordings of sampled
Speaker 1: him in there. So she's she's on the album. I'm
Speaker 1: actually this sounds weird. It's it surprises me that she
Speaker 1: has not talked about um, Marjorie up until this her
Speaker 1: ninth album. She normally has like really dug into her
Speaker 1: personal history since the beginning of her career, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I can't. It's so surprising that it's taken
Speaker 1: this long to talk about someone who clearly means how
Speaker 1: much she had inspired like your musicality. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: surprised to not know about her either. Yeah, but maybe
Speaker 1: maybe she was like waiting for the right thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think this is thing. This is a beautiful, as
Speaker 1: beautiful of attribute as you can, right, so um that
Speaker 1: kind of relative of your grandmother, Like, I think this
Speaker 1: is something that she probably waited a long time to do,
Speaker 1: and she wanted to do it right. Yeah, it's really
Speaker 1: pretty and she sounds great. And we should also say
Speaker 1: Taylor's vocals sound great on the entire album and I
Speaker 1: can't wait for Fearless Taylor's version Love Story. She sounds
Speaker 1: fucking amazing. She sounds good, so mature, but still she's
Speaker 1: still going for like the brightness of like two eight
Speaker 1: when that an album came out, Like, she's still like
Speaker 1: she knows exactly what to do vocally, and like, even
Speaker 1: though her voice has matured so so much, tones have changed.
Speaker 1: I think she's still able to like have the right
Speaker 1: intention with what she's trying to do um in each
Speaker 1: different song. Okay, let's move on to closure. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't need closure because I feel like she on fortunately
Speaker 1: sort of leaned into a bad instinct of hers, which
Speaker 1: is to sort of prolonged a narrative by saying you've
Speaker 1: completed a narrative, and I just don't need it. I
Speaker 1: just don't need it. This is like a clean This
Speaker 1: is like a You don't think this is like a cleaner. No,
Speaker 1: I do not think this is like a clean I
Speaker 1: think clean is about something completely different. I think. And
Speaker 1: also if in a world where we have clean and
Speaker 1: we think they're about the same thing, we certainly don't.
Speaker 1: They're not. I'm not saying they're about They're not about this.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're about the same. No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: I just feel like it feels tacked on to me,
Speaker 1: especially when you have Marjorie, which to me is such
Speaker 1: a beautiful closer, because I would also cut evermore the
Speaker 1: next song, and again, I just I just don't need it.
Speaker 1: You just hate that it Bonivar is on it. I
Speaker 1: don't hate that Bonavara is on it. I just I
Speaker 1: feel the album reached a natural conclusion with Marjorie and
Speaker 1: everything else after that does it feels like a d
Speaker 1: heightened and I don't need that. I don't need like
Speaker 1: a cool down after Marjorie. I feel like that was
Speaker 1: the beautiful way to end the album and the and
Speaker 1: the two albums. Really yeah, exactly. And I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, we know she'd she'd be releasing bonus tracks,
Speaker 1: so like, have these b bonus tracks. Then I actually
Speaker 1: really liked Right Where You Left Me, which is one
Speaker 1: of her bonus tracks on this one really good, really
Speaker 1: really good. Um, I haven't listened to it enough to
Speaker 1: really form like a solid opinion on it, neither of
Speaker 1: I but it's it's it's, it's, it's, it's it's a
Speaker 1: little it jumps out a little bit more than the
Speaker 1: other tracks, like it requires less of a close listen.
Speaker 1: We were talking ver fron Patrick. It's his birthday, by
Speaker 1: the way, Happy birthday house. He was telling us that
Speaker 1: he loves ever more and more than folks like he
Speaker 1: does many do. I'm so curious about that. I feel
Speaker 1: like folklore like I also feel this this way to
Speaker 1: a certain extent, where with the impact of Folklore coming
Speaker 1: out and being and it being fully out of nowhere
Speaker 1: and it being such a shift for Taylor. The impact
Speaker 1: of that can never be matched by the Evermore moment.
Speaker 1: And so it's so hard to listen to Evermore and
Speaker 1: not have it feel like Sides. I know, I know
Speaker 1: they're different things. I know that she had different approaches
Speaker 1: to them as albums. I just think it feels like
Speaker 1: an addendum. Still, here's what I would throw out there.
Speaker 1: If Evermore had come out first and then Folklore came out,
Speaker 1: would you feel the same way about Folklore? Would you
Speaker 1: feel that Folklore's content felt like Okay, I will say,
Speaker 1: giving it more of a chance to feel like two
Speaker 1: different projects, I think Folklore is stronger. Oh wait, what
Speaker 1: you're asking me what? I think that Folklore sounded like
Speaker 1: B sides too, Evermore. That's what I'm saying, because like no,
Speaker 1: I think Folks the superior album. Yes, right, And so
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that, Like I think if it
Speaker 1: was reversed, I think if Evermore had come out first,
Speaker 1: we would have been fucking thrilled. But then Folklore on
Speaker 1: its own, I think just stands out a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Like I think once we have time to really ruminate.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna it's gonna become clear that Folklore
Speaker 1: is the one, and I'm happy that happen more and
Speaker 1: of course count Evermore as like as valid an album
Speaker 1: as any of her other ones. But and there are
Speaker 1: traps on Evermore that I'm like, please like replaced, Not
Speaker 1: that this is how it would work, but like, please
Speaker 1: replace some Folklore tracks. I mean, I made my my
Speaker 1: my Folkmore playlist famously, but now I'd have to change
Speaker 1: the names as I have. I have new favorites, some
Speaker 1: new some new favorites. She was she was. People were
Speaker 1: saying that Evermore is the more experimental album in terms
Speaker 1: of songwriting and production. I think Folklore felt more like
Speaker 1: chamber poppy, like something that she earnestly hadn't done, like
Speaker 1: between mirror Ball and August and Betty and like Pete.
Speaker 1: I'm just like it was such it was such an
Speaker 1: elevation in her songwriting that I was like, this is incredible,
Speaker 1: and I still think when you compare it side by
Speaker 1: side to folk to Evermore, it still beats it out.
Speaker 1: I do think with Ivy Ivy is this was one
Speaker 1: of those songs to me that I'm like you are
Speaker 1: because I know that Taylor, which has been obsessed with
Speaker 1: Johny Mitchell her entire life, and I think with Red
Speaker 1: she was kind of like trying to write her own
Speaker 1: version of Blue at the time. Um, but Ivy was
Speaker 1: her fucking nailing it with like the Joni Mitchell like
Speaker 1: Ladies of the Canyon drag like you know, like Courton
Speaker 1: Spark like whatever. Like I was like, you did it,
Speaker 1: like you did what you set out to do in
Speaker 1: some way, not from the beginning, not that like this
Speaker 1: was her life's work to like right and produce like
Speaker 1: a Joni Mitchell standing song, but to have like the
Speaker 1: influence so cleanly translate to a song that is you,
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift is amazing. So I just think that like
Speaker 1: they're they're bright spots and evermore that I still think
Speaker 1: are outshined by the overall like super nova moment that
Speaker 1: folklore still is to me. I think folklore is incredible,
Speaker 1: that it's like I still think that it's like such
Speaker 1: an amazing thing that it happened. I would agree. Let's
Speaker 1: bring Doug in for his quick thoughts. Do come come
Speaker 1: and Doug and Doug, did you listen to the um
Speaker 1: in preparation. It feels like you did. It feels like
Speaker 1: you and you had some comments. Did you fit listen
Speaker 1: to folklore as well? Doug come in now, so what's
Speaker 1: your what's your sort of take? I did listen to
Speaker 1: Evermore in pre but not folklore. No, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: that's fine, And I don't know that much. So I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'm just gonna blast through it
Speaker 1: and see what see what happens. And I actually agreed
Speaker 1: with you guys a lot on your feelings. And I
Speaker 1: just feel I like t Happiness the best. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's really good. She kind of broke her I
Speaker 1: don't know if she's done this for a long time
Speaker 1: or but I always felt like she falls into this
Speaker 1: rhythm a lot her natural like uh, and I felt
Speaker 1: Happiness really broke from that, and so did Cowboy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's a great observation. Well literally, it's like we're
Speaker 1: able to make fun of Taylor because it is so
Speaker 1: like Gamma. She just have her like thing that she does,
Speaker 1: Like she is very tailored. There's a lot of size
Speaker 1: in the music and everything. But um, I think what
Speaker 1: you're saying is is totally that rings true for me
Speaker 1: because those songs felt like a different pace for her,
Speaker 1: not just like in terms of pace of the music obviously,
Speaker 1: but in terms of like emotionally, like like on Happiness
Speaker 1: when she's like you haven't met the new me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just felt like there's some something going on here
Speaker 1: that feels like a progression. And for you to not
Speaker 1: really even know that much about her and pick up
Speaker 1: on that is I think interesting. It was a fun
Speaker 1: exercise for me anyway. I was like, yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna listen, Like I would have never put it on
Speaker 1: had it not been for you. Guys. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it on. Let's hear it. That's so emotional.
Speaker 1: That's so much so emotional. You should listen to folklore too.
Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see what you There's a lot
Speaker 1: of it, Like it sounds like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: like sounds that sound like magnet magnetic fields, or like
Speaker 1: Jesus and Mary Chane, like that era of music that
Speaker 1: I think you would really like if you like that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Alright, girls, see you see a girl.
Speaker 1: But Doug, well, that was Doug, and we love to
Speaker 1: always check in with Doug and see what he feels.
Speaker 1: But remember he's he worked with Celendian in the nineties
Speaker 1: and said he didn't know who she was when they
Speaker 1: were in the recording booth together, So understand that shameful ultimately,
Speaker 1: But I think it might be time for I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey. I think it might be time for
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. So I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Is the sixties second segment that we do um to
Speaker 1: rail against something in pop culture that we hate. I
Speaker 1: I think I have one off the dome. Okay, girl, honey,
Speaker 1: two domes for you, because I I'm about to do
Speaker 1: one off the dome too. But this is I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey. Time starts now. I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: People only realizing Oprah is a quote unquote good interview
Speaker 1: now that she sat down with Megan Markle. I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe when I went on Twitter and was searching before
Speaker 1: we got on here the Megan Markel Oprah interview, and
Speaker 1: people were like, Wow, Oprah is a really good interviewer.
Speaker 1: Are you fucking kidding me? Literally? Where have you been forever?
Speaker 1: And now I'm really mad at the culture. I'm really
Speaker 1: mad at the culture. Because does Oprah needs to be
Speaker 1: on television every single day to remind you who the
Speaker 1: funk she is. This is Oprah. Winfree motherfucker. Also, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, that we need the Royal Family
Speaker 1: to key us into Oprah. I fucking despise the Royal Family.
Speaker 1: I can't believe how much time it takes up. Bitch.
Speaker 1: You need to go all the way back and understand
Speaker 1: that Oprah predates the Royal Family. Okay, Oprah has been
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of years, and the Royal Family is
Speaker 1: a blip on the radar. Oprah is culture Capital C,
Speaker 1: the Royal Family little C culture. And I don't even
Speaker 1: know what's going on with Megan Marco. I think she
Speaker 1: should be free to walk in her own designer garments
Speaker 1: and that's one minute, and they better be designer, honey, right,
Speaker 1: I won't give a ship. I did think I was like,
Speaker 1: right before we got on, we're actually recording this as
Speaker 1: the interview is happening, and I'm gonna watch it at
Speaker 1: eight um. But but I did think it was funny,
Speaker 1: like people were like, Wow, it's so great to see
Speaker 1: Megan Marco walking in her truth. It's like she lives
Speaker 1: in a fifteen million dollar house. She's living in an
Speaker 1: authentic life, finally walking in her truth. And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. She's been comfortable even since before she did.
Speaker 1: Did you see some of the breaking tea that was
Speaker 1: coming from the I saw some of the breaking tea.
Speaker 1: I saw some of the clips this week. Um, I
Speaker 1: I want to comment on this, honey. This is an
Speaker 1: all right, oh my grew um. This is the one
Speaker 1: and only iconic name, another legend. You can't Bowen Yang's.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, And I'm honored to say
Speaker 1: in sharing space with him that I've become better and
Speaker 1: his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The
Speaker 1: royal fucking family, honey. The protection of Prince Andrew at
Speaker 1: the coinciding with going after fucking the Duchess of suss
Speaker 1: herself Megan marco Is de pla ball and the fact
Speaker 1: that all these bullying allegations are coming out this week
Speaker 1: coincidentally timed with the interview says it all, honey. It's
Speaker 1: a terrible, ancient, toxic thing. It's the reason why British
Speaker 1: tabloid culture is lethal, why it kills people, why it
Speaker 1: literally has killed royals in the past. The fact that
Speaker 1: it still exists and it still has the same culturals
Speaker 1: important that it does is the reason why British tabloid
Speaker 1: culture is as noxious as it is. So Royal Family disappear.
Speaker 1: Let let's make Buckingham Palace a fucking TikTok, make it
Speaker 1: a make it a collab house for YouTubers, for for
Speaker 1: zoomers to go in there and make little videos to
Speaker 1: entertain us, because that is more valuable than what you
Speaker 1: have done for hundreds of years. You inbred motherfucker's I
Speaker 1: don't know about all that. I don't that's one minute though,
Speaker 1: I understaying like they're they're old, and I'm not to
Speaker 1: be agist, but you have to get them out, bring
Speaker 1: some youthful energy into that space, sage the fucking place down.
Speaker 1: Then bring in some young British talent to make fun
Speaker 1: little videos for us. It's so funny because I was
Speaker 1: gonna do I don't think so honey, Royal family and
Speaker 1: I I then I was like, more specifically, want to
Speaker 1: talk about the how I gas I was that people
Speaker 1: seem to not know Oprah was good at what she does.
Speaker 1: But but I don't think so, honey, the royal family,
Speaker 1: because what like the Prince Andrew thing, like you were saying,
Speaker 1: like the fact that they haven't really stripped him of
Speaker 1: his titles, the fact that they he's only stepped away
Speaker 1: from public duty. He has not constructive of titles. He's
Speaker 1: still a line to the throne. I mean they stepped
Speaker 1: away too, but the thing is just like for them
Speaker 1: to be like we're launching an investigation into the claims
Speaker 1: of Megan's bullying and not like take more seriously the
Speaker 1: fact that like Prince Andrew was on Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile island,
Speaker 1: like was like literally sweating his ass off when asked
Speaker 1: questions about it, and interview like the fucking call is
Speaker 1: coming from inside the house and the call is rotted
Speaker 1: and gutted. I don't get it. And Elizabeth the second
Speaker 1: is like not, she's not It's not been it. I
Speaker 1: was in London during the Diamond Jubilee and I thought,
Speaker 1: I'm not impressed. I said, like Karen Huger said to
Speaker 1: Miss Wendy Steppa herself, I'm not impressed. You know who
Speaker 1: else is not it? Fucking Charles is obviously not it,
Speaker 1: and Prince William is not it because also let's not
Speaker 1: forget the fact that they pivoted so hard to piling
Speaker 1: on Megan was because there was many allegations that Prince
Speaker 1: William was cheating on Kate Middleton. Girl. I'm so excited,
Speaker 1: my my girl is starting to work on a project
Speaker 1: that I think you will do very very well in.
Speaker 1: I hope it was just his birthday. I celebrate you.
Speaker 1: Thank you for celebrating Teresa. I celebrate you, Teresa. You
Speaker 1: were my Teresa. Should we sing it out? We should
Speaker 1: sing it out? What do you think is the song
Speaker 1: we should do? There is happiness after me, but there's
Speaker 1: happiness because of me. There's just a nice little software there.
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