1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,559 Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why why? Oh? And 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yes, goodness, I'm 3 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: sensing a little we did a peculiar energy frequency from 4 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: I just feel like a very dropped in spirit today, okay, 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: And could it be that's because we're going to talk 6 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: about an album that's very dropped in. I didn't assignment 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: for my sister. I watched the potentially controversial movie I 8 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: care a lot. Oh you did watch it? I watched 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: it today. I thought we're gonna talk Oh my god. Well, 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: I'm happy to talk about it on the pot And also, um, 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: I want you to know, like, not only that, but 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: I was attacked by a reader in the d MS. 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: What did they say? I was attacked by a reader 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: in the d m s and they said, this is 15 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: what this reader said to me. They said, I wish 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: that you would talk about things that me and my 17 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: queer friends really talk about. Your podcast is feeling very 18 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: sponsored lately by whom I said, I said, I said 19 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: to him. I responded, I said, listen, queen, what do 20 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: you mean? And he said I didn't think you would respond. 21 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I bet you did it. I 22 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: was like, but now I demand to know. He was like, 23 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: no that he said, you know, the wand division of 24 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: it all, this real house as a salt like of 25 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: it all feels very sponsored. And I was like, if 26 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: we're being accused of talking about straight things, they think 27 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: those are that's straight culture. I don't understand. There's there 28 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: was some there was like a codedness in what he 29 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: was saying, and that we're talking about one division. We're 30 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: talking about Salt Lake City and he called it. He 31 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: called it. He said it felt very sponsored, and I 32 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: thought like, oh, he doesn't. He's like and he said, 33 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: I wish you would talk about what me and my 34 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: queer friends really talk about, Like you haven't talked about 35 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: UK drag race at all. And I was like, let 36 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: me write down on my list UK drag race, I said. 37 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: To the person. I was like, if it makes you 38 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: feel any better? UK drags, I was like, if it 39 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: makes you feel any better? Boonen and I are both 40 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: absolutely Bimini stands Bimini. Bamboo Lash is as charismatic of 41 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: drag content contested as there's ever been. They are. They 42 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: are phenomenal and I truly what a star, what a star? 43 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: I feel now? Well, I don't know how you feel. 44 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: But this last episode I felt was really controversial, very controversial. 45 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: I did not agree with the person who went home 46 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: not to not to not to sort of dabble in 47 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: this in this imagery for the people listening, But I 48 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: feel that Ruined Michelle go to a different multiverse when 49 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: they crossed the pond. They get there and it's like 50 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: the way that they judge is just fundamentally different for anything. 51 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: It's that Doctor Stranges to Sorcer of Supreme really is 52 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: getting in their heads. It's something that goes on where 53 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: they get were sponsored. Oh I'm gonna talk about how 54 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: it ended too, so banned down the hatches. I have 55 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: no understanding of what their decision making is when they 56 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: get there. Like like in this last episode spoiler alert, 57 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: the bottom two was Taste and a Horror after the 58 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: stand up challenge and then and they sent a Horror home, 59 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: which I thought was bullshit. And you said something in 60 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: the thread that was very um poignant I think, which 61 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: is this top four is really tough because two out 62 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: of the four of them have no chance of winning. 63 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: Zero chance. Taste is never going to win the show. 64 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: Ellie and Ellie is Ellie was never going to win 65 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: the show. But if you if you narrow it down 66 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: to a top three, because I believe UK does the 67 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: top three of Lawrence Cheney, Bimini, Bamboo Lash and a Horra, 68 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: I feel like they all they all make cases for 69 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: the whim absolutely and but now you have a full 70 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: villain edit for Lawrence, which I think is kind of 71 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: justified because I've never I've never gotten on the Lawrence train. Sadly, 72 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: I just don't get it as much as Rue seems to. 73 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: It's truly such a crapshoot to know what Ru will 74 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: laugh at. And I think I would, I would, I 75 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: would tell him this to his face, like that, you 76 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: don't know what will make Ru cackle, like through throw 77 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: Ru into a cackling fit. It feels like non secretary, 78 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, it just feels coincidental whatever. But um 79 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: Bimini is fully getting the winners at it at this point, 80 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: do you think so? Yeah? Absolutely? Like they just showered 81 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: her with praise about that, with that acne look, which 82 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: was genius, by the way, fully genius. And and Biminy 83 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: is just like a star and like is confident and 84 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: like has this like I don't know, stability, whereas Lawrence 85 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: the Veneers starting to crack and you're you're sort of 86 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: seeing Lawrence like flash out a little bit. Yeah. Just 87 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: my perspective is when you look at Biminy in pretty 88 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: much every area that they judge on the show, when 89 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 1: it comes to like performance quality, fashion, comedic instincts like outlook, 90 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: p o V. Everything feels like fresh and new and 91 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: like like it like like the maybe this isn't true 92 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: because she obviously can get better from here, but like 93 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: a really realized drag queen who is like ready to 94 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: execute on all levels and just knows themselves, whereas like 95 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: and so that's why I think she's the winner. And 96 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: also like, if Lawrence Cheney is going to come into 97 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: this competition as a comedy queen, you probably should win 98 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: a comedy challenge and not flopping the comedy challenges like 99 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: you have been. And I don't I'm not a Lawrence 100 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: Cheney hater, but I did want to ask me what 101 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: he thought of when Ellie Diamond put the Order together 102 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: and a Horra and Lawrence Chaney were so upset about 103 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: the way that Ellie did that. What was your take 104 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: on that situation? I felt like it was I kind 105 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: of see where Eli's coming from. Where Ali was trying 106 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: to set each of her competitor, each of her you know, competitors, 107 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: competitors up for failure. It felt like if Lawrence was 108 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: good enough of a comedic performer, it wouldn't have mattered 109 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: where she landed in the lineup. Yeah, I think the 110 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: cool thing would have been to just be like, oh, whatever, 111 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: I'll kill wherever I'm at, which is what Baby said. 112 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: And I thought that I was of two minds about it. 113 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: It's like, I think that they should have just sucked 114 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: it up and done whatever the order was and moved on, 115 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: because in saying you should have been last or that 116 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: the order was bad, what you're kind of doing is 117 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: talking about everyone else. So so that was odd to 118 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: me that they would make such a huge deal about it. 119 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: I guess the only person who was justified and feeling 120 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: bad about it would have been a Horror because it's 121 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: just hard to go first or quote unquote hard to 122 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: go first again, like if you're actually a confident performer, 123 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: you shouldn't care about that. But where I did side 124 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: with Lawrence a little bit was I felt it was 125 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: patronizing of Ellie to be like, so is everyone okay 126 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: with that, and when Lawrence was like, you don't care 127 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: if we're okay with it, so don't ask us if 128 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: we are, like you did what you did, like shut up, 129 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: Like so I ultimately was like, I think she's right 130 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: there that it's bullshit for Ellie to be like, let 131 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: me just check in with you girls that you're okay 132 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: with it, like you don't actually care. You did this 133 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: to funk us up, you didn't deny it, and now 134 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: we're we we see where you're at. I think it's 135 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: also it's Lawrence kind of lashing out at losing control 136 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: and also of this being some sort of come up, 137 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: and it maybe where they've been antagonizing Ellie all season, 138 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: saying like every it feels like for the last three episodes, 139 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: every opening of the episode, like after the mirror, right 140 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: after they reconvene after the last week's challenge and runway, 141 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: when they reset to the next day and they all 142 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: skip in and there in their in their regular clothes 143 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: and they gather at the table. The past three episodes 144 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: have all been so Ellie, you haven't want to challenge 145 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: yet and you must suck, like like that's been the thing, 146 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: and that edit cuts to Ellie's talking to her, where 147 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: she's like, they should stop underestimating me, and all it 148 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: feels like, I don't know if that's intentionally been built 149 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: on like a producer level to make it seem like 150 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: they've picked on her and now she's like exacting some 151 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: sort of revenge. But maybe that's where Ellie was coming from, 152 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: and it makes sense that Lawrence would react that way 153 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, well Lawrence seems like there's a version 154 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: of condition but can't take it because and also there's 155 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: I mean, she's open about it, but she's obviously incredibly insecure. 156 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: And so the fact that she is there and like 157 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: has been praised by Rue as being so funny, Like 158 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: you've I can't even remember watching Rue laugh at a contestant, 159 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: the way that rule will crack up whenever Lawrence. Cheney 160 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: even wouldn't even do that with like Bob, she wouldn't 161 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: even do that with like genuinely funny. She's like really 162 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: really enamored with Lawrence in a way where even just 163 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: when she says her name, she's already laughing. It's it's 164 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: like already at a ten to the point where maybe 165 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: it's set an expectation in Lawrence's head, or like she 166 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: thinks who she is and like now she's not succeeding 167 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: and it's fucking with her sort of Alaska vibes, like 168 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: in the Latin the last week of or two of 169 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: All Stars to when she started to start a crumble, 170 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: but she definitely isn't cool as a cucumber lately. And 171 00:08:58,559 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: I thought it was a bummer to see how hor 172 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: Ago because I thought Ahor at least had a perspective 173 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: and hasn't been in the bottom three times. Like I'm 174 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: done with taste. I'm done with taste. The soup sandwich 175 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: thing is really dark with taste. I saw that last 176 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: night and I was like, but I think taste is 177 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: just someone who like and I absolutely love like that 178 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:25,599 Speaker 1: kind of food as well, Like I like spy, sloppy doppy. 179 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: I still buy spaghettios from Trader Joe's to this day. 180 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: Were you a sloppy Joe girl? I was? I love 181 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: a sloppy Joe. I'll still need a fucking sloppy Joe, honey. 182 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: And I love my I love my cup noodles, I 183 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: love my spaghettios, I love my my bagel bites. Oh 184 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: my god, you cannot keep me away from the frozen 185 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: on I have trauma from watching other kids eat sloppy Joe. 186 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: And I don't know what well I've I've told you. 187 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: Like when I was in when I was like younger, young, young, young, 188 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: I had like I had like a food phobia when 189 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: I was a little kid, like I could only I 190 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: can only eat food that I saw my mom make 191 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: and that was hot. And I didn't trust the cafeteria food. 192 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: So when I'd watch all my peers like oh yeah, no, 193 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: I was. I had like an issue with food when 194 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: I was always learned something about my sister. It's like 195 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: it's like the glorious gay onion. You know, it's the 196 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: big queer onion. It's actually it's a front runner for 197 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: a title of that, the queer wed Onion. I would 198 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: be doing such a disservice to not name this swift 199 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: Swift but keep going, oh wow, that that's that's pretty good. 200 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: That's another front runner. Sorry, No, I mean we preorgine 201 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: all the time. This if we do here on help 202 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: um okay, so wait, but I would watch these kids 203 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: like slaba laba labba dooda um, these all be like 204 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: like sloppy Joe's and I was like, I just would 205 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: not eat my lunch and the amount of lunches I 206 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: threw out just from being afraid of food. Like it 207 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: was so hearing that you love to sort of eat 208 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: the sloppy, messy food is trigger for me because as 209 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: Taste was talking about it, I was like so revolted 210 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: that I almost had it turned off. It was a lot. 211 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: It was a lot, but anyway, you saw the episode 212 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: where she made it, right, I saw. I saw the 213 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: clip that she posted to her Instagram where she makes it, 214 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: and I was like, and she bites into it and 215 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: thinks it's so delicious, and I'm like, that's gonna be 216 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: a no from me. Dog. It is lethal. It is lethal, 217 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: so it is rotted and gutted as routed. It was 218 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: not good. But anyway, so I guess you you are 219 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: a bi mini Stan. I'm a Stan. The only winner 220 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: um switching gears over to the Drag Race US. We 221 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: had a snatch game with your thoughts as a character 222 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: performer Extra News. I thought it was a decent snatch game. 223 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: The ratio of like four of them being good to 224 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: fire like it felt like a decent ratio. There wasn't 225 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: like a full stand out to me. Even I'm sorry, 226 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: even with got Mack, it wasn't loved. I loved it 227 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: was she deserved to win, absolutely, and she succeeded, and 228 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: she was very good. And it is one of the 229 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: stronger snatch game performance as we've seen overall. It's not 230 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: gonna be a fucking Bob as you know, Usa Duba 231 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: into Carol Channing. It's not gonna be Alaska's May West. 232 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: It's not gonna be Jinks as Little Eaty. It's not 233 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: like like like like those wins are like, oh my god, 234 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: they're so good. I mean, this was just like I 235 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 1: think Paris Hilton was the perfect choice Forgottenick. It's not 236 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: like one of those genius Snatch game performances for me. 237 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah? I think that What was 238 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: so great about this is it's like it's kind of 239 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: like with snatch game. I was really I think, actually 240 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: this year is a really good example of many different 241 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: ways you can do the snatch game. So, like you had, 242 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: um a couple of different smart decisions being made here. 243 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: One was I thought Simone as Harriet Tubman. I thought 244 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: it was really smart to do Harriet Tubman because we 245 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: as the audience don't actually know what she was like, 246 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: and so we we we're never going to be putting 247 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: it up against um, a very well known personification of 248 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: someone that we know well. We just all we're gonna 249 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: be looking for is a strong comedic take, and Simone 250 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: essentially doing herself as Maria Tubman is a very strong 251 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: comedic take, and she was able to put jokes in there, 252 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: so I thought that that was really smart. Similarly, and 253 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: I think a little bit this was a little bit 254 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: stronger for me was Rose as Mary, Queen of Scott's 255 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: because same thing, we don't actually know what she was like, 256 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: but she was able to do a big character that 257 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: was different from herself. Yeah, but but it was a 258 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: vehicle for something that we already know her to do well. 259 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: I think she's mentioned the fact that she's been Scottish before, 260 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: and she's like pulled out the accent. She's definitely done 261 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: a runway and she's responded, I think, in the Scottish 262 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: accent to the critiques. But I thought this was a 263 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: more heightened, sort of overdrawn Scotta accent, and to me, 264 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: I liked this a little bit more than the Simone 265 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: one because it was playing two things at once. It 266 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: was playing the fact that the Scottish accent is so 267 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: ridiculous you can barely understand what she's saying, and so 268 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: the lack of understanding is one game and then another game. 269 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: I thought that was being played that was really well executed, 270 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: was like Mary Queen of Scott's able to look back 271 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: at her life in retrospect, Like I thought it was 272 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: funny that she had knowledge of the fact that she 273 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: was beheaded. I thought it was funny that she knew 274 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: the abree for fox Sake was FFS. Like. I just thought, 275 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: like modern Mary Queen of Scotts who gets the deal 276 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: was funny to me. So there they were kind of 277 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: doing the same sort of thing where it's like I'm 278 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: gonna pick someone that I can personify, and they did 279 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: it to different degrees in different ways. And then you 280 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: have like honest impersonation and I think, like you can 281 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: and that was gott Nick who and if you can 282 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: do honest, good impersonation and be funny and improvisation as 283 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: the character and have some jokes, I it's really tough 284 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: to beat that person. And I think what was really 285 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: great about gott Nick is. She obviously knew a new 286 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: Paris in her bones and could respond like Paris like 287 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: that and be she puts Paris's face literally on, so 288 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: she was able to put that face on her own 289 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: face and looked exactly like her. So yeah, in the 290 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: Christian down to the Christian callen mom of that was 291 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: what Meredith Marks wore on Real House, Jolo wore Jlo 292 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: war and and an SNL bumper when she hosted like 293 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: that that piece has been on everybody, which I'm saying, 294 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: it's like a great thing, Like yeah, I know, it's 295 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: it's a really fun item. Good. Those three were great. 296 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: And then I did like Denali as j Vin. I 297 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: thought it was I thought it was there was jokes, 298 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: and I thought it was really funny to have like 299 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: that extremely laid wig in the ship beard Like that 300 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: felt very j Vin to me. But they were probably 301 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: the four best, right, the four best? Um, should we 302 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: talk about the girl, the bad one, the one that 303 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: we just can't really seem to you? The Queen's Bob 304 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: Ross is upsetting to me and revolting to me on 305 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: a level. I it upset me. It felt like a 306 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: nightmare watching it. If Unika is listening to this, We're 307 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: so sorry. I like a lot of what she's done, 308 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: A lot of what she's done. We really, we really 309 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: love you to get here. Um, the instincts, the instincts 310 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: were not there on this one. At every step, at 311 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: on every level, the instincts were absent. R was basically 312 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: screaming at her, don't don't do it like it was 313 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: just but because the thing is, I don't know what 314 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: you think, but if she had done bob Ross looking 315 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: like bob Ross, would that have been insensitive? That's the 316 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: way bob Ross looked bob Ross was this is this 317 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: is bob ross is hair. And if you were concerned 318 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: about that, just do someone else. There's just a lot 319 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: of them. There was just a lockdown on Yeah, that 320 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: was it. That was it. And it was this like 321 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: so they're rawl bob Ross didn't really have um no 322 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: mean so their southern he spoke, he was he was 323 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: from the south. But it it just it wasn't that. 324 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: It wasn't like a prospector you know. Um anyway, just 325 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: to cut to got mixing, no like who like loves 326 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: bob ROSSA apparently that was bad. The the Afro full 327 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: of Squirrels I couldn't believe only it only looked dumb. 328 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: But you know, she think, you know, she thinks she 329 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: you know, she thinks it's genius. Yes, she thinks that 330 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: that is like such an inspired thing. She is not 331 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: you know what's happening. It's it's like she is not 332 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: the note to edit is not arriving to her in 333 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,959 Speaker 1: real time on the show. She's gonna watch this and 334 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, I see now it's a 335 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: hat on a hat and a hat on a hat 336 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: almost everything I do, and she'll I'm back for All Stars, 337 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: of course, and like an incredible queen. Yeah, really really gifted. 338 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: And I just think it's it's she needs to think simpler, 339 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: Like sometimes the simplest answer is the answer. Like I'm 340 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: shocked she didn't do Carol Burnett. She would have been great. 341 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: Like it matches. It's like it's like it's like got 342 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: make picking Paris. It's like, yes, it matches. Like find 343 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: someone who kind of meets you where you're at energetically, 344 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: sensibility wise, and then it'll it'll be like you're setting 345 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: yourself up for something decent. You might not win, but 346 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: at least like you won't it won't be a fucking 347 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: train wreck. It's about embodiment. It's about embodiment and being 348 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: able to have fun and and live and breathe as 349 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: the character. Because Rue is going to improvise with you, 350 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: so fuck your jokes that you're prepared. You have to 351 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 1: pick someone who basically is you that you can answer 352 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: as them on the fly. It's not which is not 353 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: even like an improv note. It's it's an impression note, 354 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: which is different. It's a different discipline entirely. Um, I 355 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: mean now, I mean unfortunately now, like I used to 356 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: not be able to answer the question who would I 357 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: play for son snatch game? But now I know who 358 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: and like this is so gross to say, but like 359 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: ever since Fran, I'm like I it has to be 360 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: like I felt her in my bones now that like 361 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: I I would love to do her. Yeah, you know, 362 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: as Fran is the definition of a winning snatch game. 363 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: I think I even tweeted that. I think I even 364 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: tweeted or no, maybe Joel did I think someone said 365 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: Bowen has won the snatch game as as Fran. Who 366 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: were your answers again for who I would do? For 367 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: who you would do? Yeah, I feel like it's actually 368 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: tough because I feel like I could really easily slip 369 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: into like Bethany Frankel. But yes, no, you would be greatest. 370 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: I think I would be a good Bethanie. I think 371 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: I also would be a good lou And I but like, 372 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: but I don't know, Like then energy then is not 373 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: that fun of an energy sad way, But then I 374 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: think to myself, like, maybe I should do like Alicia 375 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: Silverstone clueless so I can be like a sort of 376 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: like I don't know. This is this chrish Liker tweet 377 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: tweeted this earlier. He was like, the most stressful question 378 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: I'll never have to answer is what would I do 379 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: for snatch game. I'm never going to do drag. I 380 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: will not start. And I was like, I feel the 381 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: same way like whenever anyone's like, who would you do 382 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: for Snatch? I feel like I have to have an answer, 383 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: and my answer is always Bethany because she's so like 384 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: New York, like fast, ridiculous, like constantly crying at the 385 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: drop of a hat, starting in like it feels like me, 386 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,959 Speaker 1: it's whoever, whoever, whatever celebrity most closely matches Sam. That's 387 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I feel like that's not Bethany, 388 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: So I don't know. I have totey well, I thought 389 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: about her maybe, but then also I don't know. I 390 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: also feel like someone could do Rachel McAdams and you 391 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: could just go out there as Regina George. Yeah, you 392 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: really could. But anyway, it's it's literally it's a question 393 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: that Hans. You have so many options. You could do 394 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: Kate Hudson. You've already done a Kate Hudson impression, because like, 395 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: how are you gonna make that funny? You know what? 396 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: I think I would do any but the way that 397 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: you did it on the on the pod, like we'd 398 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,959 Speaker 1: be like fun funk, let's just go smoking, like like 399 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: you doing no Kate Hudson wanting to smoke by Boldie 400 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: Hunting Kirk Russells. It's so much to you a good queen. 401 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: It's too hat on a hat. It's like, no, no, 402 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: Here's what I think I would do. Incredible. I think 403 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: I would do Bethany Frankel and halfway through I like, 404 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: I gotta go. I gotta go because she's always leaving, 405 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: and I would come back as Dolly Parton and every 406 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: answer is a long song. That's good. You would do Dolly? Well, 407 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: who knows Dolly has never been done? Did you know that? Really? 408 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: I don't think Dolly has been done on Snatch, which 409 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: is crazy to me. I thought I thought, like on 410 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: on one of the All Stars, like Dating Game ones 411 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: or like the Cruise Ship ones around, I don't know, 412 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: I don't think Dolly has been done and if we're wrong, 413 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,959 Speaker 1: the readers will tell us. But um, but yeah, anyway, 414 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: I thought that was that was a some people on 415 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: Twitter where like, have there ever been such high highs 416 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: and low lows on Snatch game? And I'm like, yeah, 417 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: every single the thing that everyone forgets every season, and 418 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: Josh Sharp says this all the time, Yes, everyone's it 419 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: gets so hype for Snatch game every season in the 420 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: lead up and then you get to snatch him and 421 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: you're like, that was fine, Like it's it's not like 422 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: no one's ever the only Snatch game. It is the 423 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: only Snatch games that plural that have blown me away 424 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: are all starts to and UK season UK season one, 425 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: and I did have a lot of fun watching UK 426 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: season two. I thought it was really fun. I giggled throughout. 427 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: I get at throughout. I feel stupid because I don't 428 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: know most of those people. Whereas season one you had 429 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: like Trump and Thatcher and you know they were easy 430 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: to follow, like, oh my god, oh my god, The 431 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 1: Vivians Trump is the best snatch game that's ever been 432 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: I would say, hands down. But it's like I don't 433 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: want to watch, like I'm not like I would never 434 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: seek out The Vivians Trump. I would seek out and 435 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: watch for hours Bag of Chips doing Margaret Thatcher. Well, 436 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: you know they have a web series which is uh 437 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: Trump and Bacher on Wild Presents, and I watched it 438 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: sometimes when I'm inebriated, and it does the trick. But 439 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: when I think about Bag of Chips, is Thatcher post 440 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: UK season one is that she's made it less fun 441 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: by taking the red Eyes out, Like she's made it 442 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: less month. Like I was obsessed with the fact that 443 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: that brave and drink this this demon from Hell. I 444 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: was like, that is so she was like she had 445 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: like hasn't drank blood yet today? Yeah? And same, Oh 446 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: my god, Bag of Chips. I just love bagg of Chips. 447 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: I love bagg of Chips too. I thought the Vivians 448 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: Trump it did it for me because like something about 449 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: a drag queen doing Trump like and I'm I'm sorry 450 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: to say it, but I'm exhausted by every single fucking Trump. Like. 451 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: Every time I see a Trump I'm like, like, I 452 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: I just I'm so over it and he's such a 453 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: joke and I whenever I watch that, I'm just like, 454 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: I can't do this. And then does see a drag 455 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: queen do it, especially a British drag queen like nail 456 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: it like that day It's the best. It's the best 457 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: flat impression of him I've seen, and it just felt 458 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: like it could be No, hold, that's the other word 459 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: you've seen. Will Stevens is Trump. I think Will Stevens, Well, 460 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: Stephen has the best. Oh yeah, he's got a good Trump. 461 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: I I he doesn't do Trump like professionally though, no 462 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, I know you um, 463 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: but but Will Stephen has been able to pick up 464 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: on some Trump cadences that no other Trump impressionists has 465 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: and he like kind of only showcased it within the 466 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: last year of his term. Anyway, Um, shout out to reader, 467 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: straight reader, Will Stephen, we love and that we have 468 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,719 Speaker 1: to lift those icons up, straight man, the straight readers 469 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: up the Straight readers. We we see, we hear you, 470 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: we feel you um before before we sorry, We're not 471 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: We're no longer a clear podcast. We are saluting our 472 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: straight before we get into the the ever more of 473 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: it all. What let's just close the loop on one 474 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: division really really quick. What did you think of the 475 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,239 Speaker 1: finale so that we can move on? And then if 476 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: I get obsessed with the falcon in the winter Soldier, 477 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: I'll keep it to myself. Lovely lovely finale. I overall, 478 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: I had really thought about the entire series, I guess 479 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: as a whole, and I feel like none of it 480 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: was the like Wanda, like having it be TV sitcom 481 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: eras doesn't actually work for me, Like it is not 482 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: fully explained by the previously on episode where she has 483 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: flashbacks to like whatever Socovia or where she's like, oh, 484 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: the reason it's TV eras is because she watched shows 485 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: with her parents, Like I don't know. I get that 486 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: it's tied to her grief and that like her west 487 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: View is like things that resolve the grief or that 488 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: are like linked to the grief, But I think can 489 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: set the premise is a lot of winding turns through 490 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: some stuff and I kind of wish it was all 491 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: which battles, which battles which battles. Starting from episode three on, 492 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: I was like, this is what it should have been 493 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: the whole time. And I know, like budget wise, it 494 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: couldn't have happened because they needed to sort of pour 495 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: it all into like this crazy, crazy battle um. But 496 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: that's my thought I loved. I mean, I really am 497 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: into the Starlett Witch costume. I at the end of it, 498 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: I think Catherine Han's gonna come back. I think like 499 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: it's set up so that she has to go and 500 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: find Katherine han Um maybe in Doctor Strange or after 501 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: Doctor Strange. But I have my things about the show 502 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: that are that are interested. It's like her like walking off, 503 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: like walking through Westview after like the hex disappears and 504 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: having everyone stare at her and she's just like and 505 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: then basically her and Monica are like they'll never understand, 506 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: like women like are you know, basically they're like they'll 507 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: never understand. It's like, honey, you us draw ruined these 508 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: people's lives. What are you talking about? You're not the victim? 509 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: He here um. I don't know. There was just but again, 510 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: and I think you brought this up. But it's like 511 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: I have to remember that this is a show that's 512 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: actually meant for children. Yeah, I think I think that's 513 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: why I wasn't really reaching too far for like deeper 514 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: meeting and the fact that it did explore grief, and 515 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: also like I think it's better than any of these 516 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: things need to be. That's what I was saying, and 517 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: I will say in watching all the old movies, which 518 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: I'm doing right now, Like I just watched thor The 519 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: Dark World today, this is so interested in one of 520 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: the female characters in in in these Marvel movies in 521 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: a way that I think is so different from I 522 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: was actually talking to my expense about this, like old friend, 523 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: old roommate, um, and he was sitting, yes, in the comics, 524 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: like all these female characters are like flat as fuck, 525 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: and like you're like in the comments like wand does 526 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: a monster and like you kind of understand that she's 527 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: upset because of well the turns her life has taken. 528 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: But now she's just like this monster who looks gorgeous 529 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: in a fucking stunning outfit, and like she's a crazy 530 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: woman who likes a witch. And this is like exploring 531 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: why um, a character that's established like that in the 532 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: comics actually gets to that point, um really exploring the 533 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: trauma because if you actually, if they hadn't done this 534 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: series and like hadn't explored Wanda's past and or wanted 535 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: to continue her as a character, like she would have 536 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: kind of just existed as like a toy that these 537 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: films used to like torture, you know what I mean, 538 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: in order to move the plot forward to get her 539 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: to like places where she's so upset that she uses 540 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: her power and she barely can control it. So I 541 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: liked that it like um uh explored the concept of 542 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: what this woman has been through and why she might 543 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: want to create a soft place to land um and 544 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: how she wants to feel that she deserves and has 545 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: earned a happy life and then just like she's not 546 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: faded to do that. So I thought that was really interesting. 547 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: I do agree with you, Like there's plot holes galore. 548 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: I mean, like it's so much of it doesn't check out, 549 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: Like when when spoiler alert, when Monica is in Evan 550 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: Peters's house and she sees when she sees the head shot, 551 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,959 Speaker 1: it says Ralph Boner, And there was that whole thing 552 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: where she's like your Ralph. It's like, well, if we're 553 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: in the world of the of the Wanda fifty, like 554 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: the sitcom land, that headshot would have changed to something 555 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: that would have been in the sitcom land, Like you 556 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like little things like that that 557 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm probably looking too closely on. And that's why when 558 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: I take a step away, I fucking loved watching it. 559 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: I think Elizabeth Olson is amazing. I think she's she's 560 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: actually one of my favorite actresses now after watching this, 561 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: and she is Julia Roberts to you, she's the new Julia. 562 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: I love her. I think she's really, really, really good. 563 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: And I loved Paul Bettany and I thought they were amazing. 564 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,719 Speaker 1: I thought that emotionally it really worked for me. By 565 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: the finale, absolutely and pulp wise it worked for me. 566 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: And I loved watching Katherine Han like be this cookie 567 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: witch at the end and like cackle. And I loved 568 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: watching Katherine Han Elizabeth Olson fight as witches in the sky. 569 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: And when Elizabeth was when Elizabeth Elson became the Scarlet Witch, 570 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: I thought it was stunning. And when she said I 571 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: don't need you to tell me who I am, I 572 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: was like, you better deliver the line you better deliver 573 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: the line. I I agree, I am with you completely. 574 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: I just think some of the disc wore. I was 575 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: talking about this with Julio and Julie was saying that 576 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: like he also enjoyed it, like on like an entertainment level. 577 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: But the discourse online is a little bit like, Okay, 578 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,479 Speaker 1: let's watch it because some people are like, this is 579 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: what we do to women, and it's it's so refreshing 580 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: to see that this is how we score, like we've ruined. 581 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: When it's like wait wait, wait, wait wait, that's I 582 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: don't think that's the takeaway here, and like let's like 583 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: there's like hundreds of years of culture and reading and 584 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: plays and books and movies and stuff that like all 585 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: so like touch on this a little bit better. And 586 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,239 Speaker 1: then some people mean and then some people been like 587 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: this is what This is a perfect example of what 588 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: what happens when white women put themselves at the center 589 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: of it. It's like, all right, everyone, just like what 590 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: where is that coming from? What is that there? It's 591 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: just like some like some Twitter discourse that like I 592 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: I am like picking up on is like wait what 593 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: like but what is it? I don't understand what it is? 594 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: What do you mean, like, what is the critique that 595 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: people have, what is the discourse about, like how it's 596 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: an example of white women centering themselves that it's like 597 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,239 Speaker 1: you you ruin people's lives or oh, it's like like 598 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: Wanda like just like literally making herself the center of 599 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: this like like universe. Whatever. I don't think, well, I'm 600 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: agreeing with you. It's like, I don't think it runs 601 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: that this is Naomi Camel to tire Banks. It's not. 602 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: It's just it's not that deep. And so I just 603 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: think we have to again reassess what we want to 604 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: get out of a Disney Plus show, even if it's 605 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: even if it's out of an even if it's an 606 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: mc U property. It's like, we can this is just 607 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,719 Speaker 1: supposed to entertain us. Let's not look too closely at 608 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: the at the plot holes. Yeah, let's not even like 609 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: consider what this means, what this is trying to say 610 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: about society. Let's just it's a bonus that we have 611 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: an amazing performance from Elizabeth Olson, and bonus that we 612 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: have this great role for Catherine Han. Like, I think 613 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: that's how we should think about this stuff going forward, 614 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: I think, and honestly to its credit. It's to its 615 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: credit that people took it so seriously. Sure it felt 616 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: like prestigious. Yeah. Yeah, from the beginning with them trying 617 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: and and doing the different you know sitcom tropes and 618 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: like doing the different shot like whatever it was from 619 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: episodes episode, Um, I think it it It presented as 620 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: extremely interesting and maybe like there was a lot going on, 621 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: and then there was, but also what was going on was, 622 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, the sort of theme park movies that are 623 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: the Marvel movies, which is fine, it's just like, don't 624 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: you can never get it twisted when you're watching these movies, 625 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: Like No. What I liked about it is because in 626 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: watching all these old movies, it's like they're great, like 627 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: there are a lot of fun, but they are like 628 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: commercial theme park movies, like you know what I mean, 629 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: Like it's not inaccurate to describe them like that. This 630 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: I liked because it felt like it was pushing it 631 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: a little bit further. I like to explore one of 632 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: the female characters these things so rarely do. And um 633 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: I also thought like if it was commercial theme park trash, 634 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: trying to see what it would be like if they 635 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: took a step towards our you know, what I mean. 636 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: It gave people in the cast real opportunities to act, 637 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: and um, you know, I thought it was I thought 638 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: it was great. It's like Taylor going from lover to 639 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: folklore evermore, hello, and what a transition. Well before we transition, 640 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: should we save the because I really want to talk 641 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: about I care a lot. Okay, so so's so, then 642 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: let's let's do it. And then and then what were 643 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: you saying? It's connects to your I don't think it's honey, No, 644 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't. It doesn't, okay, talk about A care a lot. 645 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: Then what did you feel? I thought it was garbage. 646 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: I thought it was Did you like it now? Because 647 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this because as if you liked it, 648 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: then this is a perfect symmetry between the promising young 649 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: woman of it all. But I don't think, but did 650 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: you enjoy I care a lot? Um? I liked it 651 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: more now, I didn't like it more than promising young woman. 652 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: I thought I thought it said something fresher than promising 653 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: young I disagree. I disagree. I think it's like truly 654 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: like the only thing that it's it was trying to 655 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 1: say something about like womanhood, but like through the lens 656 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: of like I'm a girl boss, Like I true, like 657 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: I was really, like truly put off by it. That's interesting. 658 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: I didn't see it like that at all. I thought 659 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: it was talking about capitalism only. I thought it was 660 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: talking about late stage capitalism only. I thought it was 661 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: talking about the evils of people in power and people 662 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: that are close to power. Only I didn't think it 663 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: really had anything to do with the fact that she 664 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: was a female character. Literally, I thought, like for for 665 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: almost the same exact reasons as you, as you didn't 666 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: like promising young women. Okay, but here's here's something we 667 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: should clear up. You did not like this movie more 668 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: than I liked Promising young Woman at the time. Like 669 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: over time, I've been like, yeah, maybe maybe it's like 670 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: a tricky movie on like a writing level, and it's 671 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: running all these screenplay awards in that kind of bumps. 672 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: But I will say that, like I thought this was 673 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: a tonal mess as well, Like it just like the 674 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 1: category fraud first of all of this being like musical 675 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: or comedy and for Rosmon to win over Maria Bakalova 676 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: at the Golden Globes, I'm like, damn, like you felt 677 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: it was a drama. I didn't think it was a 678 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: damn comedy. This to me felt like a pitch black comedy. 679 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: I get, yes, I don't even think it was. I 680 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: don't think I don't even think it was a dark comedy. 681 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: If there were that, it was like set here. I 682 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: just I get the people think that that's what this is. 683 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: I think it was going for like Safty Brothers drag. 684 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: It was. It was down to like the scoring, trying 685 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: to be a Safty Brothers movie, and it really annoyed me. 686 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: And I thought, you're trying to get away with this 687 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: being satirical, but you're trying to like put this under 688 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: the wrapping of it being this like gritty, overly saturated 689 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: color corrected Safty Brothers movie with all this like electro 690 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 1: technos music under it, and like there's blood and core 691 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: and all. It's like it just was such a chaotic 692 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: mess of a movie. To me, I thought Rosamond was great. 693 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: I really elect the performances I thought were good. Um, 694 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: I thought that I really didn't know if the movie 695 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: was trying to make us root for that woman or not. 696 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: See I do not think the movie ever at any 697 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: point asks us or wants us to be on her side, 698 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: and I think if people think that that is on 699 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: them and and I'm talking only stupid, No I'm not, 700 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: I'm not, but but I also I also understand that 701 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: like in framing her as the protagonists like and and 702 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: also giving her like a romantic situation, and like you 703 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: seeing anything about her that you can empathize with, our 704 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: sympathize with that, I would be I would be where 705 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: you're at. My thing is I just I guess I 706 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: looked at it from the very jump as like, oh, 707 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: I hate this woman. We're supposed to hate this woman, sure, 708 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: but you're right. It's like, but then we're invested in 709 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 1: her because she has this like love, she is looking 710 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: out for someone else's well being and like, I don't know, 711 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 1: and because she's the lead of the movie, and you're 712 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: kind of I think that we as people that you know, 713 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: you know, we've all like we're all students of the 714 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: modern screenplay, all students of the modern film. Like we're 715 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: all waiting for the point where it's like, oh, this 716 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: is why she's this way, Whereas I think that that 717 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: never came, and I liked that about it. It's just 718 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: like this woman is evil. She is and this person exists, 719 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: and this is based on something that happened, and this 720 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: could be happening everywhere. And I think that it was 721 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,439 Speaker 1: a comment on how little people care when it comes 722 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: to to, you know, furthering their own self interest when 723 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: it comes at the expense of other people's health and lives. 724 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: What I will say is I completely agree with you 725 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: about the tone being crazy. When Christmas Cina came in 726 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 1: to argue in the in the court and he was 727 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: wearing that suit, I was like, see this is where 728 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: I feel like. Yeah. I was like, what are we 729 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: trying to accomplish her? If I'm the judge and he 730 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: comes in looking like that, I'm like, you're not taking 731 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 1: me seriously. You don't take yourself serious. What is this? 732 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: You're wearing a pinstriped wool suit. No, and again with 733 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: the music, You're right it it's funny that you bring up, 734 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: um like the Safty Brothers of it all. Because someone 735 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: did get in my d MS and was like, can 736 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: you talk about the similarities between I Care a Lot 737 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: and Uncut Gems? And I was like, yeah, I mean 738 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 1: there's there are similarities there. It's just down to the ending, 739 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: down to you, right, And I did I did think 740 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: the ending went there. I guess I respect I Care 741 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: a Lot and Promising Young Woman because they both went 742 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: for it, you know what I mean like it, but 743 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,479 Speaker 1: I just felt like and no one, no one throw 744 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: anything at me for saying this, But I felt like 745 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: I Care a lot said something about one, whereas like 746 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,240 Speaker 1: Promising Young Woman's felt like a movie that was written 747 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 1: in two thousand seventeen and came out and maybe it 748 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: took four years to make Sweetie. Yes, it just it 749 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 1: just felt a little bit behind that conversation and until 750 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: it did something really bold at the end, like I 751 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: don't know, we've talked about I know, I see what 752 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,720 Speaker 1: you're saying, and I don't think that warrants anyone throwing 753 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: anything at you. I just think I was really put off. 754 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: Well I think that's the point. That's I think that's 755 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: the point, you know, I know, I know, I know, 756 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: I know, but it's like I was even put off 757 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: by Rosen and pigs acceptance speech. I was like, I know, 758 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 1: it seems like it seems like Hollywood talking about this 759 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: in and of itself is a way of them not 760 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: getting it exactly. And I'm like, you're you guys think 761 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,240 Speaker 1: you accomplished something by making a movie that like leaves 762 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 1: the viewer feeling empty, And I don't think that's like 763 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: an actual accomplishment, you know what I'm saying. There was 764 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: an interview she did and she was like, I just 765 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: thought she was the most fascinating character from when I 766 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: flip page to page, I just could not stop watching her. 767 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: I couldn't. I just so amazing. And I was like, yeah, 768 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: but you're what you should be saying is I thought 769 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: she was the most psychotically evil for whatever, and I 770 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:36,399 Speaker 1: had play fascinating. I was like, there's something about this. 771 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm not honest, that's wrong. And what I appreciate about 772 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: it maybe is that it's like a movie where the 773 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,320 Speaker 1: protagonist is a woman that you that is really unlikable, 774 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 1: who is really unlikable. But the way that it tries 775 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,919 Speaker 1: to like thread this needle, I think very like intentionally 776 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 1: is to make you invested in her like outcome, you know, 777 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: like you're spoke us to feel something about her getting 778 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: spoiler alert, like we're spoiling murder but murdered in the end. 779 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 1: And I don't know that, like you come away from 780 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,919 Speaker 1: the movie like I think it's more impactful that Carrie 781 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: Mulligan's character gets murdered and Promising a Woman that right, 782 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: So I'm just thinking, like, I don't know, Promising Young 783 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: Woman is a better movie than I care a lot. 784 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: Let's just say that. I just think in terms in 785 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: terms of like what I left walking away with. I 786 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: don't know this this movie made me think about something 787 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,760 Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about as much. That's that's fair, that's fair. 788 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: I think this is a wonderful conversation. Well, and I 789 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 1: will say this anytime. The villain in the movie is 790 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: Peter Dinkledge, I do roll my fucking eyes. It's like 791 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: it's like Christoph Walts being in a movie. I'm like, girl, 792 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,839 Speaker 1: we have seen this a million times, Like can we 793 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: see like Peter Dinklage play someone that's not like I 794 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 1: Just once he came on, I was like, oh, this 795 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 1: is like this is like a level of camp now. 796 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: And then it's sort of the movie sort of was 797 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,919 Speaker 1: a little bit like you're supposed to be impressed now 798 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: by how evil Like they keep one upping each other 799 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: with how bad they are. Even Diane Weeks just like 800 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: gets involved in it, and I'm just like, I'm like, oh, 801 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: this is a movie that is about the darkest, darkest, 802 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: darkest minds in society, who are the movers and shakers 803 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: of society. And there was a little bit about it 804 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,839 Speaker 1: that was like, you know, the plot takes some big 805 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,919 Speaker 1: fucking swings, like and I again, I appreciate a movie 806 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: that goes there. But I was like, am I supposed 807 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: to be impressed? Like? Am I rooting for? I didn't 808 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,399 Speaker 1: feel the girl boss thing. But whenever Peter Dinklage comes 809 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,839 Speaker 1: in and is like a badass, I do think there's 810 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of like, look at this guy. Go 811 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyways, 812 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: I mean, but we love seeing Diane West. Love seeing 813 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: Diane we I thought Diane West was great. She just 814 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: kind of she's kind of the best part of it. 815 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: She was the best part of me when she when 816 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: she when she says, have at it you and Crock 817 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: of Seaword. No, she said you Croc of Seaword, crowd, 818 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 1: have at it you Croc of Seaword. Oh man, all right, 819 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 1: So the time has officially come. Um it has been 820 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: three months sometime now. Three months. Wow, that's crazy. Since 821 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,880 Speaker 1: Evermore was released and Bowen and I famously were a 822 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: little bit um stressed about it because we had just 823 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 1: been sort of inundating ourselves. We were just embarking on 824 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 1: the twelve Days of Culture. That was a really stressful time. Yeah, 825 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: we we just put were our plates were to fall. 826 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: I have the time to really cover it and the 827 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,359 Speaker 1: way that we did Folklore on Taylor Taylor. Yes, and 828 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: I mean someone, um, someone on Vulture recently brought up 829 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: the Taylor Taylor episode as a way of just like 830 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: a fun way to like just sort of you know, 831 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,319 Speaker 1: dip your toe into the world of Taylor Taylor. Absolutely, 832 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: this episode should be swift swift, swift swift. That that 833 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: only makes because there in listening to this album, I 834 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 1: feel she well, there's a lot of themes here that 835 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: it actually it feels like a much more complete album 836 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,760 Speaker 1: than I thought. Um, it really is different from Folklore. 837 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 1: I feel like evermore like there's she is. Really Infidelity 838 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: is a huge thing for her. Have you noticed this? 839 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 1: Infidelity is a huge thing for her. Grief is a 840 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 1: huge thing for her in this nostalgia obviously salgia like 841 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: person like you know, family history and like the way 842 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: things age like for her, had like a song called 843 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: Ivy and Willow and the imagery is very focused, but 844 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 1: I think the breadth musically is wider and just as 845 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: deep as it was on Folklore. But folklore to me, 846 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 1: and I love folklore, and I think I actually prefer 847 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 1: folklore for evermore. Um, but Folklore to me felt more 848 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 1: because she had to be so impactful with this new turnover. 849 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,479 Speaker 1: Um it was a more focus sound with a really deep, like, um, 850 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 1: you know, lyrical sort of thing. But this feels like 851 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 1: she's broad in the scope, but it's just as deep 852 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: as it was. It feels like it feels like Red. 853 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,399 Speaker 1: It feels like Red more than a lot of her 854 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,400 Speaker 1: recent albums have. Well what I was picking up on 855 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: throughout this entire and listening to the album again and 856 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 1: like taking notes through it and like really trying to 857 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,960 Speaker 1: like soak into it. It doesn't feel personal until the end, 858 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,799 Speaker 1: and then it's very personal. Like you had an interesting theory, 859 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,160 Speaker 1: I said, go ahead, Well, I don't think it gets 860 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,360 Speaker 1: really personal at all until Like the thing with Folklore 861 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,319 Speaker 1: is it was so like a modern myth, you know 862 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,720 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like she she wasn't writing as herself 863 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of it or it didn't feel like 864 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,279 Speaker 1: she was she was taking on characters and everything, and 865 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 1: with this album, I thought that was also true. And 866 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 1: it was not until Long Story Short, which is um 867 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 1: deep into the album that I felt like she was 868 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:58,799 Speaker 1: really talking as Taylor herself, or she was because that 869 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: we'll get to that song, but because I think it's 870 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 1: really interesting. I think it's Taylor talking to Taylor, and 871 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,400 Speaker 1: I think it's very interesting. The song sounds like Taylor 872 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,799 Speaker 1: to me. It's the populist song that's across the two 873 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,319 Speaker 1: all of us. So I think that might have something 874 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,320 Speaker 1: to do with the fact that like it's She literally 875 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,359 Speaker 1: has a line that is let me read the line. 876 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: I wrote it down because I thought it was so interesting. 877 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: It was it was past me. I want to tell 878 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 1: you not to get lost in these petty things. Your 879 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,600 Speaker 1: nemeses will defeat themselves before you even get a chance 880 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: to swing. So it's Taylor talking to Taylor, and she's saying, 881 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,080 Speaker 1: we know we have an impulse to be Taylor, but 882 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 1: get back to Taylor. You will always be Taylor. She's 883 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 1: trying to tell herself get back to Taylor, and I 884 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,239 Speaker 1: just thought, yeah, I wrote, just feels like this is 885 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,400 Speaker 1: Taylor talking about taylor most confessional song here because everything 886 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,479 Speaker 1: else just felt non specific to her. And I think 887 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,319 Speaker 1: that sort of you know, reputation ish sound that's in 888 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 1: the production of Long Story Short is there on purpose 889 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: because it feels like and after that, you know, we 890 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,880 Speaker 1: have Marjorie, which is obviously a very personal about her 891 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 1: own life, and then Closure, which is about Kim Kardashian. 892 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,279 Speaker 1: And I actually think I don't think it is about Kim, 893 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 1: but it is. It is. It's literally I think it's 894 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 1: about Calvin. I don't. I don't think you think Kim 895 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 1: Kardashian wrote Taylor a letter. You think it's about Calvin Harriss. 896 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 1: I don't think she think Kim Kardashian would write a 897 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,920 Speaker 1: letter to anybody, much less Taylor Swift. And that's not 898 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 1: that's not a dig on her intelligence. I'm saying, like, 899 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian doesn't write letters to people. Um, I heard 900 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: that Kim Kardashian. Maybe it wasn't a letter. Maybe that 901 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,839 Speaker 1: was Taylor sort of being Taylor and like kicking her 902 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 1: feet through the sand and being like it would be 903 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 1: cool if it was a letter in the imagery at least, 904 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 1: like maybe it was an email. Maybe it was a 905 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,759 Speaker 1: fucking text. I don't know how Kim Kardashian does things, um, 906 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,239 Speaker 1: but I heard that she did reach out to her 907 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,360 Speaker 1: once she realized her marriage with Kanye West was done 908 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 1: and apologized for the that she behaved with the I 909 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,759 Speaker 1: forget who told me this, but I think this is 910 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: like a thing like I think closure is you are 911 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 1: an inside pretty specifically about like how Kim Kardashian reached 912 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,719 Speaker 1: out to her to sort of apologize and make amends, 913 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,719 Speaker 1: and she was like, I'm not responding to this. I 914 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: didn't need this. This is more for you than it 915 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: is for me. But I think in writing the song 916 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,640 Speaker 1: she has, she's like sort of caved into her worst 917 00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,720 Speaker 1: interests because you clearly did want to address it. Because 918 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,360 Speaker 1: the song is here, you can't. She can't help but 919 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,560 Speaker 1: address it because she knows that like that's a little 920 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,439 Speaker 1: bit of Taylor seeping through the Taylor will she will 921 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,839 Speaker 1: never be able to That's what I'm saying. So it's 922 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 1: so funny on long story short, where she as Taylor 923 00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,320 Speaker 1: is saying to Taylor, don't be Taylor, and then on Closure, 924 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:56,640 Speaker 1: Taylor is back, and those are the two characters people 925 00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,280 Speaker 1: can talk about, like Dorothea and whoever to them season 926 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 1: is about. But the two characters here are yet again 927 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: Taylor and Taylor or as or ms Swift and Mrs Swift. 928 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,280 Speaker 1: I think I don't think there was that duality on Folklore. 929 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,920 Speaker 1: The duality is present in Evermore. Yeah, I think I 930 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,399 Speaker 1: would agree. I think that I think that Evermore has 931 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:23,000 Speaker 1: more Taylor than Folklore does. And I think it's so 932 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,759 Speaker 1: that is so true because we have this thing that 933 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 1: happens at the end of the album when she literally 934 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 1: dips into being personal and then she really should have 935 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,239 Speaker 1: ended the album with Marjorie from me because closure. We 936 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,879 Speaker 1: didn't need it. She didn't need to do it. We 937 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,480 Speaker 1: didn't need it. I don't know, I don't need any more. 938 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian Kanye West narrative with Taylor Swift. I would 939 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,520 Speaker 1: very much like to remove myself from this narrative. Oh 940 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:51,320 Speaker 1: my god, girl, I that was artful, by the way. 941 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,359 Speaker 1: I want I want to ask you, should we talk 942 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:59,560 Speaker 1: about this whole Netflix tweet from last week? I wanted to. 943 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,000 Speaker 1: I want to talk about it because I think it's 944 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,800 Speaker 1: I think it's Taylor. I was gonna say it's Taylor, 945 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,920 Speaker 1: say it's Taylor, and I'm so well, I'm saying, like, 946 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:13,040 Speaker 1: any time Taylor, no, this is a Taylor Swift as 947 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,880 Speaker 1: a public figure, will always be Taylor. Her own reckoning, 948 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,359 Speaker 1: with her own experience will always be Taylor. Anytime she's 949 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,920 Speaker 1: writing music and actually expressing through her art in this 950 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:31,520 Speaker 1: like n adulterated way that has nothing to do with 951 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,440 Speaker 1: her public life, it is Taylor. I'm not saying that 952 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,840 Speaker 1: she's not allowed to like cross pollenate those two identities 953 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,600 Speaker 1: or those two like parts of herself, because but we are. 954 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,840 Speaker 1: But I am saying that, like that is a really 955 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:55,480 Speaker 1: interesting split in her personhood because she is an incredible artist, 956 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,399 Speaker 1: as we all know, and she's also someone who has 957 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:04,240 Speaker 1: like so carefully curated and cultivated this persona, this public 958 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:09,520 Speaker 1: person and so does that make sense? It makes perfect sense. 959 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I just think she that's so because because 960 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,400 Speaker 1: because that tweet, it was like I was taken all 961 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,799 Speaker 1: the way back to oh my god, I wasn't we're 962 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,000 Speaker 1: having this conversation again, literally, like which just not to 963 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,759 Speaker 1: say that like that that that whole joke is fucked 964 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: up and stupid, but I'm saying that's like Taylor, you 965 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,760 Speaker 1: would imagine that she's and this is not like putting 966 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,960 Speaker 1: the onus on her to like move on, move past this, 967 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,680 Speaker 1: but you would imagine that she is like I would 968 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,840 Speaker 1: imagine her as a public figure who has been whose 969 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,120 Speaker 1: dating life has been talked about for so so so long, 970 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,160 Speaker 1: that she would be like, fuck it, who cares? Let 971 00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,239 Speaker 1: them talk about it. But that's the thing she is 972 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,000 Speaker 1: not able to. Like. That's why I'm so positive that 973 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,200 Speaker 1: closure is about Kim Kardashian, because she actually is not 974 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,439 Speaker 1: the type of girl that's moved past this stuff. She's 975 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,400 Speaker 1: actually you know, I don't know vindictive is the right word, 976 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,360 Speaker 1: but like she is the kind of person like and 977 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,319 Speaker 1: it's all over for folklore, how angry she is at 978 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,680 Speaker 1: the people that have done her wrong. How and and 979 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:14,160 Speaker 1: she is justified. But with this, this was Taylor because 980 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,719 Speaker 1: she did not need to tweet this, and and she 981 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,160 Speaker 1: can use her social media however she wants. But I 982 00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,680 Speaker 1: just think it's the most innocuous joke in the world. 983 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,080 Speaker 1: It's been told a million times. No one cares, No 984 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,360 Speaker 1: one thinks less of Taylor Swift when they hear a 985 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: joke like this, which is, oh, you go through men 986 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,640 Speaker 1: like Taylor Swift goes through guys whatever, like just like 987 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,719 Speaker 1: a reference to the fact that she like had a 988 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,200 Speaker 1: lot of boyfriends for a while that the public was 989 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:45,320 Speaker 1: picking up on. And and look, is it. Is it misogynist? Sure, 990 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,439 Speaker 1: because we we look at her and we sort of like, 991 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,719 Speaker 1: you know, rake her across the coals for her relationship struggles, 992 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,879 Speaker 1: and we don't do it to guys, like and that's 993 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,520 Speaker 1: been said a million times. But my problem is, like 994 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,120 Speaker 1: it's it's always gonna be punching down with her, like 995 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,640 Speaker 1: she's the biggest musician in the world. The show is 996 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,280 Speaker 1: about like a mixed race, single mom and her daughter, 997 00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,759 Speaker 1: like it's it's women created it, women wrote it. Like 998 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,000 Speaker 1: no one's out to get you with this, dude. I 999 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,520 Speaker 1: have an interesting thing to bring up contextually, which is, 1000 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,799 Speaker 1: do you think she saw the Brittany dock and was like, 1001 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,239 Speaker 1: they're doing that to me. I have no idea, But 1002 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,680 Speaker 1: she also should know that her story is completely different 1003 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,520 Speaker 1: from of course, so I don't think so. I just 1004 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,000 Speaker 1: thought it was it was a little ridiculous and sad 1005 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,360 Speaker 1: that she felt the need to go after this show. 1006 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,640 Speaker 1: I think there is something to be said about her 1007 00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,960 Speaker 1: maybe drawing some parallels and thinking I have had my 1008 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:50,520 Speaker 1: sexuality like scrutinized, I've had my dating life scrutinized. This 1009 00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,480 Speaker 1: is violence and I have to like speak out against this. 1010 00:53:55,080 --> 00:54:00,080 Speaker 1: I just think this was an interesting moment and an 1011 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,840 Speaker 1: interesting reaction to that moment, where like I did not 1012 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,000 Speaker 1: know about this fucking show and neither she helped him 1013 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,480 Speaker 1: out in a huge way. Maybe that's also part of it, well, 1014 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,480 Speaker 1: that there are people online who are like, this is it? 1015 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:16,200 Speaker 1: This is like this is like guerrilla marketing where promoting 1016 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,440 Speaker 1: this Netflix show because she is she has a relationship 1017 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,799 Speaker 1: with Netflix. Whatever. I actually think that's what it is 1018 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,359 Speaker 1: really interesting and the way she but she also did 1019 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,160 Speaker 1: call out Netflix in the tweet. She did like SpongeBob 1020 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,239 Speaker 1: like caps lowercase caps, lewercase, I'm like, there's too much 1021 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,040 Speaker 1: going on here, Like she you could tell this was 1022 00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,720 Speaker 1: like a very reactionary thing and like she was upset, 1023 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,399 Speaker 1: and like that makes total sense. You think that like 1024 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,120 Speaker 1: this is this is this is a I don't know, 1025 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. It's it's it's a trigger. 1026 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,239 Speaker 1: It's clearly a clearly a trigger. She couldn't believe the 1027 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,560 Speaker 1: joke was still happening. Like, you know, she went through 1028 00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,240 Speaker 1: a lot of grief because of you know, content related 1029 00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:00,080 Speaker 1: to her relationships. I just thought by tweeting the this, 1030 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:05,080 Speaker 1: you actually brought so much more attention to that. UM. Again, 1031 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,719 Speaker 1: she can use her social media however she wants. If 1032 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,799 Speaker 1: I was her, I wouldn't have made an issue of this. 1033 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,440 Speaker 1: But also, like, I don't know how much it upset her. 1034 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:19,040 Speaker 1: Clearly it really upsets her UM. But you know, luckily 1035 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,040 Speaker 1: she's got all the fucking talent in the world. Talk 1036 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:23,919 Speaker 1: about the way that she feels like and I think 1037 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:29,080 Speaker 1: that this album, like evermore. I think it's really so 1038 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,640 Speaker 1: much better than the first few times I let myself 1039 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,640 Speaker 1: listen to it. I don't think it's perfect because there's 1040 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,480 Speaker 1: just there. There are three songs I would just cut um, 1041 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,680 Speaker 1: which is kind of my issue with almost everything anyone 1042 00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,520 Speaker 1: puts out. Now let's go through track by track, So 1043 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:52,200 Speaker 1: we start with Willow Girl. This to me said first 1044 00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,840 Speaker 1: single in a way that Cardigan never could. Willow has Cardigans. 1045 00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:01,200 Speaker 1: And it's like with albums like this that are so 1046 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:06,040 Speaker 1: like works of art capital W capital A. I understand 1047 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,920 Speaker 1: that they don't feel the need to give you a 1048 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,239 Speaker 1: first single, but it is just kind of nice to 1049 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,600 Speaker 1: feel like, oh, I could definitely hear this on the radio, 1050 00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,440 Speaker 1: and then when I do hear it on the radio, 1051 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,160 Speaker 1: I feel like it fits there. And Willow to me 1052 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,600 Speaker 1: is like a great first single and fills that purpose 1053 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,640 Speaker 1: as well as being a great song on its own right, 1054 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,600 Speaker 1: which I can't say that about Card Again. I don't. 1055 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,440 Speaker 1: I can't say that about Card Again. Willow is the 1056 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:31,240 Speaker 1: perfect representative of this album and it it would play 1057 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,799 Speaker 1: on radio in a way that like you'd be like, yes, 1058 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,200 Speaker 1: of course. And the dancing which al Iray remix Oh 1059 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,160 Speaker 1: Please she was getting, which before Whichie came to the 1060 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,840 Speaker 1: culture in a big way again with Miss Harkness, and 1061 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:49,040 Speaker 1: I will say when I heard her say wreck my plans, 1062 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,240 Speaker 1: that's my man, I said, you might hear me saying 1063 00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,359 Speaker 1: that during sexual intercourse. I'm gonna have to tell a man, 1064 00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,760 Speaker 1: who's you know, getting getting me plowed to wreck my plans. 1065 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,000 Speaker 1: You might catch me saying to a man life was 1066 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,439 Speaker 1: a willow and it bent right to your wind while 1067 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,560 Speaker 1: he is analingusing me, Oh my god, you might be 1068 00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:18,480 Speaker 1: hearing me say that's my man right after I bleep 1069 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,720 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on one more. You might catch me 1070 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,960 Speaker 1: saying I'm like the water when you're ship rolled in 1071 00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,520 Speaker 1: that night to a man. The more that you say 1072 00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:34,520 Speaker 1: as he is tugging me and my balls, or that 1073 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:39,280 Speaker 1: you say, the less. I really love this song, but 1074 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,080 Speaker 1: I feel the album gets better when we go one 1075 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,160 Speaker 1: to Try too because Champagne problems. You know, I love 1076 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,000 Speaker 1: this is my favorite type of tailor, and I feel, 1077 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 1: you know what I think is a good throwback for 1078 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,320 Speaker 1: this type of song, back to December, like her being 1079 00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,560 Speaker 1: like contrite contemplato, yes, just being like I'm not going 1080 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,840 Speaker 1: to give myself any credit here, like I hurt someone, 1081 00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,800 Speaker 1: it didn't work out, and I you will be so 1082 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:13,160 Speaker 1: much better off without me in your life. Romantically. I 1083 00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,760 Speaker 1: love it. She doesn't really have that many of this song. Yeah, 1084 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,600 Speaker 1: it's a lot of like this guy, but this is 1085 00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,120 Speaker 1: not like that, which is which is fine, Like if 1086 00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,120 Speaker 1: that's her ratio, then that's her ratio. But I do 1087 00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,800 Speaker 1: I think that's a really really good apt comparison. Let's 1088 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,000 Speaker 1: move on. Yeah, the protagonist does not try to absolve herself, 1089 00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,520 Speaker 1: and I don't know if this is her here an 1090 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,760 Speaker 1: autobiography song, but it was beautiful. She said she said 1091 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,040 Speaker 1: to someone go find someone who's going to appreciate you 1092 00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,479 Speaker 1: and not leave you standing. Okay, the only the person 1093 00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,800 Speaker 1: who did it best with autobiography was actually Simpson. Oh 1094 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,520 Speaker 1: she the autobiography was the best autobiography. And that's actually 1095 00:58:54,560 --> 00:59:00,040 Speaker 1: a little culture number sixty at Simpson autobiography was the 1096 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:05,800 Speaker 1: best autobiography. Yeah, um, what do you feel about gold Rush? 1097 00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:10,680 Speaker 1: Gold Rush? I maybe I don't get it. Everyone seems 1098 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,959 Speaker 1: to really love it. It took me so many times 1099 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,480 Speaker 1: to get it. The first time I was listening to it, 1100 00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,480 Speaker 1: I was like, the melodic shift, it's just not a 1101 00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,400 Speaker 1: straightforward pop melody, like it's sort of it's sort of 1102 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,840 Speaker 1: tricky stating Yeah, I like that, And I I didn't 1103 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,680 Speaker 1: get that at first, and I was just like I 1104 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,280 Speaker 1: was nervous when when that when when the song was happening, 1105 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,920 Speaker 1: and I wasn't getting it because I was like, oh, no, 1106 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,200 Speaker 1: is this album gonna be super like experimental? Like am 1107 00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,080 Speaker 1: I not going to get any straight forward like pop 1108 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,240 Speaker 1: jam on it? And I think it exists in a 1109 00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:48,240 Speaker 1: really sweet spot between those two, like it does something different, 1110 00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,160 Speaker 1: but it still is a bop like and I will 1111 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,720 Speaker 1: say the song really came to my came to life 1112 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,600 Speaker 1: for me when I saw Benito Skinner dancing to it 1113 00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,920 Speaker 1: in the in the fields, perfect and just I mean 1114 01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,560 Speaker 1: he was doing every single move in the book and 1115 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,280 Speaker 1: he really made you realize, like you can fucking wrack 1116 01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,920 Speaker 1: the dance Florida. This song was it think. I think 1117 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,720 Speaker 1: he posted that and he said, like when people say, 1118 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,360 Speaker 1: like you can't dance to evermore and then he proved 1119 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,320 Speaker 1: us all wrong. He prowd us all wrong. Also, like 1120 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,400 Speaker 1: when you listen to the lyrics, like it's about like 1121 01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,000 Speaker 1: it's about your crush being out of your league and 1122 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,640 Speaker 1: it's about thinking that. And I think that's kind of 1123 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,160 Speaker 1: like like I don't want the gold Rush, Like I 1124 01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,840 Speaker 1: I am not of the energy to compete with all 1125 01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,400 Speaker 1: these girls. You are so perfect and it's so it's 1126 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,960 Speaker 1: so kind of like it's very illustrative, and I feel like, um, 1127 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,480 Speaker 1: the whole gold Rush imagery and like the whole like 1128 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,400 Speaker 1: golden child of it all. Like this show. The song 1129 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,200 Speaker 1: like glows gold in a in a way that the 1130 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:52,360 Speaker 1: metaphor is strong, very strong, very deeply that literally literary queen. Now, 1131 01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,439 Speaker 1: this next song to the damn Season made me feel 1132 01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:01,200 Speaker 1: like maybe Taylor listens to Lost Culture, do you think 1133 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,080 Speaker 1: this is lost. I think tis the damn Season is 1134 01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:13,439 Speaker 1: lost coach language. I think it's like Adie Bryant language. Okay, 1135 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,880 Speaker 1: I think this is like something our friend miss Adie 1136 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,160 Speaker 1: Bryant would say. But you don't. She would say that 1137 01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,280 Speaker 1: tis the damn season. She'd be like, tis the damn season. 1138 01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,560 Speaker 1: I could hear her say it right now, tis the 1139 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:30,800 Speaker 1: damn season. Um well, I think it's a great song. This, 1140 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,640 Speaker 1: This is one of the This is the first line 1141 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,280 Speaker 1: in the album where I was like, Taylor's here right 1142 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:39,080 Speaker 1: in one another line Taylor or Taylor Taylor, Taylor, Taylor, 1143 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:44,320 Speaker 1: Taylor is is here. Throughout the album, Taylor poked her 1144 01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,840 Speaker 1: head in with this line the so called friends who 1145 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,280 Speaker 1: write books about me if I ever made it like, 1146 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,040 Speaker 1: I just thought that was so Taylor. This is Dorothea. 1147 01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,720 Speaker 1: I know, but that I'm just saying. Taylor definitely wrote 1148 01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:02,000 Speaker 1: that line like Taylor was sitting there like with her 1149 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,520 Speaker 1: tea and her eyes went black. And Taylor wrote that 1150 01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:14,160 Speaker 1: one line and Taylor, she's sucking puzz um. So but this, yes, 1151 01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:18,960 Speaker 1: this is Dorothea is the narrator of the song, and 1152 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,160 Speaker 1: Doug says a low vocal keeper she's in the basement 1153 01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:26,040 Speaker 1: on this whole album though, yeah, she really is. Doug 1154 01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,680 Speaker 1: did Dog just listen to this one song and was like, Okay, 1155 01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:33,840 Speaker 1: hold on, well, I do think we need to talk 1156 01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,040 Speaker 1: to We need to bring Doug in at the end 1157 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:36,400 Speaker 1: of this. I really wanted to get I really want 1158 01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,120 Speaker 1: to see what Doug thinks that ever I think it was. 1159 01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,160 Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's just like we we We'll be 1160 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,560 Speaker 1: coming in, He'll be coming in. But I feel like 1161 01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:50,400 Speaker 1: this is a good song. It's a Christmas song, and 1162 01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,480 Speaker 1: I think it's a good song for anyone who knows 1163 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,520 Speaker 1: what it's like to keep coming back to that one man. 1164 01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,320 Speaker 1: Anyone keeps coming back to that one man. I know 1165 01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,680 Speaker 1: my sister bo and keeps going back to that one man. 1166 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,240 Speaker 1: He doesn't have to go to Tupelo to get him, 1167 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,560 Speaker 1: but he goes back. I'm trying to pull myself away. 1168 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,600 Speaker 1: We all know what it's like to not be able 1169 01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,640 Speaker 1: to pull ourselves away from the dick. Okay, And that's 1170 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,640 Speaker 1: what's his damn season is about it. This girl, young Dorothea, 1171 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,640 Speaker 1: she goes home to her hometown and she wants the 1172 01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:24,080 Speaker 1: dick ha ha and and she gets it. Each and 1173 01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,800 Speaker 1: every time. Should move on to the track five of 1174 01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,720 Speaker 1: this album, The big track five Tolerated one of the 1175 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,080 Speaker 1: only songs on my first listen to this album where 1176 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,200 Speaker 1: I was like, Yes, tolerated. This is an incredible song 1177 01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:40,000 Speaker 1: about not feeling validated or loved back by a partner. 1178 01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:44,280 Speaker 1: And you know the imagery I'm gonna paint a portrait 1179 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,800 Speaker 1: of you with my finest colors, and also that that's 1180 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,520 Speaker 1: sort of like eighteen hundreds of it all. And also 1181 01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,040 Speaker 1: to know that she uses the words fancy shit, I 1182 01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,280 Speaker 1: love it. This is two thousand twenty one Taylor writing 1183 01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:01,560 Speaker 1: a timeless classic about unrequited love, even when you're in 1184 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,920 Speaker 1: a relationship waiting for your man to come home and 1185 01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,880 Speaker 1: he don't give a shit about you. Yeah, there was 1186 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:10,640 Speaker 1: another song I love about this. I'm in the penthouse 1187 01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:17,400 Speaker 1: half naked. Yes, I cook this hell you jealous has 1188 01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:21,760 Speaker 1: what Tolerated wants? Sorry about it? Sorry, even if even 1189 01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,160 Speaker 1: for a track five a Beyonce song I did you 1190 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:29,400 Speaker 1: Wish the June me. You can feel this feeling I 1191 01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:33,680 Speaker 1: never broke one promise and the knowing you're not honest. 1192 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,960 Speaker 1: Now you got me, Helena, That's because I'm just go 1193 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:45,280 Speaker 1: bo do it. He doesn't. He doesn't know Beyonce lyrics. Okay, 1194 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,240 Speaker 1: I don't. Beyonce Self Titled was a while ago. You 1195 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:54,760 Speaker 1: know that it is the classic? Okay, mother, wow was 1196 01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:59,920 Speaker 1: that two December? I skept it. But Jealous isn't my 1197 01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:01,960 Speaker 1: was one of my skips, and I'm sorry to say what, 1198 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,760 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Jealous is my favorite on the album. No, 1199 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,760 Speaker 1: I was here for fucking blow for the typical like 1200 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:15,320 Speaker 1: run of the Millyeah, you are a diamond doesn't like groundbreaking, 1201 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,120 Speaker 1: So you really broke ground with that one Queen and 1202 01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,280 Speaker 1: a half. You really broke ground with that one queen 1203 01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,200 Speaker 1: and a half. That's really good. That's that's almost as 1204 01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,360 Speaker 1: good as croc crocacy word. Crocacy word. I fucking love. 1205 01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,360 Speaker 1: I wish I could use that. We probably can. No, No, 1206 01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:37,120 Speaker 1: so tolerated. We we'll cut, We'll cut, no cutting, no 1207 01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:45,320 Speaker 1: cutting ever, all right. I also thought that intolerated. It's 1208 01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,520 Speaker 1: kind of cool how her voice gets stronger as the 1209 01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,120 Speaker 1: song goes. Did you notice that? I did notice that? 1210 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,360 Speaker 1: And that's yeah. I like that too, And I think 1211 01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,440 Speaker 1: that's such a beautiful artistic choice. I don't really have 1212 01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,800 Speaker 1: anything to add you came with the nuts, we'll tolerate 1213 01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:01,960 Speaker 1: it's well, I just let's probably because I knew we 1214 01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:03,760 Speaker 1: were doing this and I thought it should we should 1215 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,040 Speaker 1: at least put our academic drag on. Sure. Sure, I 1216 01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,400 Speaker 1: just I just saved it for specific songs. Anyway, I mean, 1217 01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,880 Speaker 1: what do you think about I think it did it good? 1218 01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:20,560 Speaker 1: I just can't. Um, I really this was a song 1219 01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,360 Speaker 1: that I really disliked it on the first lesson, but 1220 01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,120 Speaker 1: over time has really grown on me. I'm gonna tell 1221 01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,800 Speaker 1: you why you hate it after after you finish your thought, 1222 01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,320 Speaker 1: finish your thought, and then I'll tell you why you're 1223 01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,680 Speaker 1: because because I compared to Goodbye or all No, that's like, no, 1224 01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,760 Speaker 1: I really liked that. I just in terms of like 1225 01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:42,240 Speaker 1: a different kind of storytelling song, like the What's what drives? 1226 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,280 Speaker 1: It is different from a lot of other Taylor songs, 1227 01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:49,280 Speaker 1: um in in in terms of the storytelling engine. But um, 1228 01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,280 Speaker 1: why do you think I hate it? You have said 1229 01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:55,440 Speaker 1: you're maxed out on true crime and this is inspired 1230 01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,800 Speaker 1: by true crime. This is this song is literally written 1231 01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:01,120 Speaker 1: because Taylor loves true crime, and I think that's why 1232 01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,960 Speaker 1: you don't like it. And I have to say, I 1233 01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,560 Speaker 1: really liked it the first time I listened to it 1234 01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:07,480 Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, that's really different and I 1235 01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:12,520 Speaker 1: recognize this, and now in listening to it again, I 1236 01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:16,120 Speaker 1: think it's just like it's a great hook. It's like 1237 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:20,160 Speaker 1: a well executed, like simple type of country rock pop song. 1238 01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:24,320 Speaker 1: But I wonder if we've heard this song a million 1239 01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,560 Speaker 1: times and that's why it kind of feels like and 1240 01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,840 Speaker 1: we've maybe heard it just done in a way that 1241 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,000 Speaker 1: didn't feel as overstuffed as this one is, Like Goodbye Earl, 1242 01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,920 Speaker 1: Like that's like a very clear narrative. The narrative is clear, 1243 01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,240 Speaker 1: but like the bridge is like all of a sudden, 1244 01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:43,080 Speaker 1: there's a million things happening. Yeah you have, she's only 1245 01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,280 Speaker 1: trying to track her narrative here, and like it does 1246 01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:49,640 Speaker 1: check out, but it's it's stuffed. It's well, she's always 1247 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,600 Speaker 1: been worthy. Like she and I have that in common 1248 01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,840 Speaker 1: where we use where we're just very wordy and it 1249 01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,240 Speaker 1: kind of works too against us a lot of times 1250 01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,880 Speaker 1: we're pretty what are you talking about? I think this 1251 01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,120 Speaker 1: was like I feel like that and and and it 1252 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,880 Speaker 1: sounds like before he cheats, but it's it's all that 1253 01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,240 Speaker 1: I mean, Like I said, take this song give me 1254 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,760 Speaker 1: two Black Cadillacs any day. Like you know that Caronderwood 1255 01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:18,599 Speaker 1: song that's a really good one. I just think, like 1256 01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:23,559 Speaker 1: I've heard her vocals great on this, Like I think 1257 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,679 Speaker 1: it's that I think he did. I just think she 1258 01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,040 Speaker 1: she delivers it really well, and I think it ends 1259 01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:34,240 Speaker 1: up being very satisfying, especially the last. But um, I 1260 01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:38,879 Speaker 1: think it just it's if I'm judging it, like compared 1261 01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:40,800 Speaker 1: to other songs that are like this, I don't think 1262 01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:42,600 Speaker 1: it's better or worse. I just think it's this. It 1263 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,040 Speaker 1: doesn't offer anything new to the conversation. It just feels 1264 01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:49,000 Speaker 1: like Taylor finally did her version of this, which is cool. 1265 01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:55,120 Speaker 1: I just don't know if it's like it actually wasn't 1266 01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:01,040 Speaker 1: but not before. Actually, happiness is one of my favorites. 1267 01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:05,280 Speaker 1: I love happiness. Love happiness so much, the sitting in 1268 01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:11,000 Speaker 1: every emotion that this song has, like the the way, 1269 01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,799 Speaker 1: the way that this song is able to get across 1270 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,080 Speaker 1: pretty much all the emotions that you feel when a 1271 01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,920 Speaker 1: relationship ends, like it mentions like the shock of it, 1272 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:25,280 Speaker 1: the disbelief, the vindictiveness, the fact that like it becomes 1273 01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:29,920 Speaker 1: about things, the memories, the nostalgia of it, the eventual 1274 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:34,559 Speaker 1: like understanding of why things happen, the need for the 1275 01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,920 Speaker 1: other person to validate the fact that you were not 1276 01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,240 Speaker 1: just a bad thing in their life. That's something that 1277 01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,880 Speaker 1: I really identified with. I remember, like when when we 1278 01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:49,599 Speaker 1: did our acid trip, you cried, You cried, I did cry, 1279 01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,640 Speaker 1: and I realized. I remember, I realized I had a 1280 01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:56,439 Speaker 1: big realization about my first relationship ending. It was like 1281 01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:02,360 Speaker 1: I just wanted him too, You wanted him to not 1282 01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,240 Speaker 1: think you were that you were a bad person. It's 1283 01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,160 Speaker 1: not even about again being absolved though, it's it's more 1284 01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,760 Speaker 1: like it's it was more like I just want to 1285 01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,200 Speaker 1: know that you'll always care, you know what I mean, 1286 01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:17,040 Speaker 1: Like like I hope that because our relationship didn't ended, 1287 01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,559 Speaker 1: that it's not this thing of like we feel like 1288 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,080 Speaker 1: because the narrative of breakups is what it is, like 1289 01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,240 Speaker 1: we can't still care about each other and look back 1290 01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,960 Speaker 1: on it as a fond thing. Like there is happiness 1291 01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,160 Speaker 1: after you. There was happiness because of you, There was 1292 01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,920 Speaker 1: happiness because of me. There will be happiness after me. 1293 01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:38,080 Speaker 1: Like that that's such an important thing when a relationship ends. 1294 01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,360 Speaker 1: I think if you can get there, like it's something 1295 01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,800 Speaker 1: that that's really how you get closure on a relationship. 1296 01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,759 Speaker 1: And I think that this song, like it really gets 1297 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:54,240 Speaker 1: that really beautifully illustrates that. Yeah, so this is Taylor 1298 01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,840 Speaker 1: playing a boy again and I just want to say, 1299 01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,439 Speaker 1: we love this song. Oh I just I'm sorry to 1300 01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:04,320 Speaker 1: compare it to Betty Betty. No many have, but Betty 1301 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,479 Speaker 1: Betty is I think one of my favorite favorite Taylor 1302 01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:14,880 Speaker 1: songs ever. And Dorothea is very good, totally different, going 1303 01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:20,439 Speaker 1: for a totally different thing. But I just think Betty 1304 01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,639 Speaker 1: is something that like swells at the end and it's 1305 01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,880 Speaker 1: so satisfying. Dorothy is a nice vibe throughout. I don't 1306 01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,920 Speaker 1: know that it really grows or like dynamically changes from 1307 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,920 Speaker 1: like the beginning, but I think it's a lovely song. Yeah, 1308 01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:35,840 Speaker 1: I think it's a lovely song. I think Dorothea is 1309 01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:37,640 Speaker 1: not trying to be the star, you know what I mean. 1310 01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:40,920 Speaker 1: Dorothya is not trying to be She's not trying to 1311 01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,360 Speaker 1: take any space. Like That's something I do like about 1312 01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,760 Speaker 1: Taylor in this new era is like it feels like 1313 01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,160 Speaker 1: she's and I of course love whenever every song is 1314 01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,599 Speaker 1: a hit on an album, Like That's why I love nine, 1315 01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,120 Speaker 1: like because the majority of it are huge smashes, but 1316 01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,880 Speaker 1: like it feels like she on these albums are like No, 1317 01:11:58,040 --> 01:11:59,960 Speaker 1: this song is like a more simple thing about It's 1318 01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,280 Speaker 1: a simple guy who lives in a simple town and 1319 01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,200 Speaker 1: he wishes that this girl who went off to become 1320 01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,519 Speaker 1: a TV star, um Dorothea, would come home and live 1321 01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,559 Speaker 1: a simpler life with him, because he knows that she 1322 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,240 Speaker 1: doesn't need all of that a lovely so like such 1323 01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,439 Speaker 1: a lovely narrative and I think it's really sweet and 1324 01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,240 Speaker 1: cute and um it wasn't one of my favorites when 1325 01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,360 Speaker 1: I first started, because I think it's not trying to 1326 01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,559 Speaker 1: be the star. But now that I can listen to 1327 01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,320 Speaker 1: it as as a part of a whole, I I 1328 01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,400 Speaker 1: do really like it a lot. And there is something 1329 01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:33,080 Speaker 1: too Dorothy that is cute. There's a little tailor in there. 1330 01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,240 Speaker 1: Let's move on. I think this is a cut for you. 1331 01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,360 Speaker 1: This is a cut from We Now Get to Coney Allen, 1332 01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,479 Speaker 1: which is a huge cut from me because I don't 1333 01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:49,000 Speaker 1: need this, like Retrade on these themes, I feel like 1334 01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,360 Speaker 1: it's the ninth spot on an album. Is a tough 1335 01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:57,000 Speaker 1: spot to put a song that like melodically, storyline wise, 1336 01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,200 Speaker 1: like thematically, like Justine says, a whole bunch of the 1337 01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,760 Speaker 1: things that we've been hearing, like these themes have been 1338 01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:04,920 Speaker 1: throughout the whole album already. We don't need Coney Island. 1339 01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,640 Speaker 1: And I also, like controversial opinion, I don't need any 1340 01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:12,120 Speaker 1: male feature on a Taylor album. I don't want to 1341 01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:18,800 Speaker 1: hear a man's voice and Charon caught shaking your goddamn right. 1342 01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:20,360 Speaker 1: I think Endgame would have been better if it was 1343 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:24,920 Speaker 1: just Taylor. I think Future has to introduce us to 1344 01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,719 Speaker 1: the world that is this is a hip hop song. Sure, 1345 01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,439 Speaker 1: and then you have Taylor come in, And it would 1346 01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:32,000 Speaker 1: have been great if she had two verses instead of 1347 01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,000 Speaker 1: just one, because her verse did end up being the best. 1348 01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,000 Speaker 1: Let me take it back. I don't need any I 1349 01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,599 Speaker 1: don't need I don't need the National and I don't 1350 01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,680 Speaker 1: need Bony their on these albums. Like I just I 1351 01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,360 Speaker 1: get that they're huge parts of making them. I just personally, 1352 01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,040 Speaker 1: whenever their male voice is cut in, like maybe it's 1353 01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:53,200 Speaker 1: there very specific baritone sound, I'm just like, no, no, no, 1354 01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,599 Speaker 1: Like stop bringing me back down to earth. I want 1355 01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,719 Speaker 1: to be up in the sky with Taylor is taking 1356 01:13:57,720 --> 01:13:59,760 Speaker 1: me out of it. Yeah, yeah, I just don't. I 1357 01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,080 Speaker 1: don't need it. I don't need it. Do You also 1358 01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:05,080 Speaker 1: feel like it's not even specific to Coney Island, which 1359 01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:06,800 Speaker 1: I know sounds down, but it's like if she's she's 1360 01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:08,960 Speaker 1: trying to listen all these images of like, oh, all 1361 01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:12,280 Speaker 1: the times we spent on Coney Island, but it's not 1362 01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,479 Speaker 1: even like I don't even think she doesn't bring up 1363 01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,200 Speaker 1: to Nathan's. She doesn't bring up ski ball at all. 1364 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,519 Speaker 1: She never talks about riding the cyclone. She never talks 1365 01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,080 Speaker 1: about taking the damn shuttle bus into it, honey, or 1366 01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,200 Speaker 1: the ferry. She never talks about taking the f train 1367 01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,800 Speaker 1: all the way down. She certainly doesn't because you know, 1368 01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:32,519 Speaker 1: she wrote in a black Car, Honey, it's about class. 1369 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,160 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, this song is about 1370 01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:38,080 Speaker 1: class and it's disgusting. And she obviously doesn't know Coney Island, 1371 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,439 Speaker 1: not in the way that my girl Beyonce does, who 1372 01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:44,360 Speaker 1: famously shot the video in Coney Island. It's actually a 1373 01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:54,880 Speaker 1: retal culture number two. Beyonce shot Land really culture. So 1374 01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,559 Speaker 1: we're not we're not going to compare Beyonce to Taylor anymore. 1375 01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:01,280 Speaker 1: It's too conye of us. What's keep going? I'm gonna 1376 01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,280 Speaker 1: let you finish. But I've used one of my herod 1377 01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:07,040 Speaker 1: songs on the album. I think this is one of 1378 01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:11,240 Speaker 1: her best songs period period, and that's on period, and 1379 01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:15,400 Speaker 1: that's on period. The like lyrically it's like, oh my god, 1380 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,400 Speaker 1: what what did you just do? That's incredible? Yeah, the 1381 01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,599 Speaker 1: ivy growing all over your stone house, girl, you are 1382 01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,439 Speaker 1: not able to help these feelings. They will cover you. 1383 01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:29,120 Speaker 1: And I love this again this infidelity thing, Like, notice 1384 01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,920 Speaker 1: this is attract ten and elicit Affairs is attract ten. 1385 01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,000 Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if there's something there because there's the 1386 01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:41,000 Speaker 1: discussion and um sort of because there's sort of similar 1387 01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:44,559 Speaker 1: sounding to elicit affairs. She's the other woman and in 1388 01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,839 Speaker 1: in Ivy she is the person who is doing the cheating, 1389 01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,479 Speaker 1: So it's it's I mean, I guess it's a nice 1390 01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,240 Speaker 1: and version too. I just think but I just even 1391 01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:54,720 Speaker 1: if you take the infidelity out of it, I just 1392 01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,000 Speaker 1: think this is a beautiful love song, and I think 1393 01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:58,960 Speaker 1: I think I think she kind of wants to make 1394 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:03,080 Speaker 1: it more about how this is like and all consuming 1395 01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,240 Speaker 1: love and that the asterisk on him is that she's 1396 01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,200 Speaker 1: already married or that she's already you know her hand 1397 01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,320 Speaker 1: has been promised to another. Yeah, she loves Oh goddamn 1398 01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:14,000 Speaker 1: my pain fits in the palm of your freezing hand 1399 01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,800 Speaker 1: taking mind, but it's been promised to another. Yeah, she's 1400 01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,559 Speaker 1: such a good writer. I mean, like she loves to 1401 01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,479 Speaker 1: be in a position of you know this is this 1402 01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,040 Speaker 1: is very bridget in this song. But to me, this 1403 01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:29,040 Speaker 1: is just like she loves to be like emotionally coersative. 1404 01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:33,400 Speaker 1: I feel, yes, I can. I also say, I guess 1405 01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:37,080 Speaker 1: this is technically a verse like the just just going 1406 01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:40,680 Speaker 1: straight from and now I'm covered in clover blooms in 1407 01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,360 Speaker 1: the field spring. I'm just like that is such a 1408 01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:47,519 Speaker 1: musically like, oh I love that, Like that's I just 1409 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,240 Speaker 1: think this is such a well produced song on top 1410 01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:53,080 Speaker 1: of being one of her best written songs. Lyrically, I 1411 01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:57,160 Speaker 1: think this is fantastic. It feels like this song Ivy 1412 01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:01,080 Speaker 1: is like the reason why we have Flora, you know 1413 01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:04,879 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, if she's gonna do a project 1414 01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:08,080 Speaker 1: like this, like the reason that that's so exciting is 1415 01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:13,040 Speaker 1: because we can get something like Ivy out of it. Right. Similarly, 1416 01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:14,840 Speaker 1: I would say for the next song, Cowboy like Me 1417 01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:23,559 Speaker 1: is also I love that song. Yes, I love that song, Yeah, 1418 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:28,600 Speaker 1: like Me got you a grew And also here's what 1419 01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,960 Speaker 1: I love about Cowboy like Me. I wrote the word obsessed. 1420 01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,519 Speaker 1: I'm actually unclear at the end of it if like 1421 01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:39,240 Speaker 1: these two people that have like I get the sense 1422 01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,840 Speaker 1: that like they've met their match their scammers and they've 1423 01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,320 Speaker 1: met their matching each other. And I'm actually and I 1424 01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,320 Speaker 1: love this about the song. I'm unclear at the end 1425 01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,600 Speaker 1: of the song whether or not Taylor is writing up 1426 01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,720 Speaker 1: from the perspective of having just been conned by this 1427 01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,240 Speaker 1: guy as well, or that she knows that she's going 1428 01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,679 Speaker 1: to can him, because she says, I'm never gonna love again. 1429 01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,200 Speaker 1: I'm never gonna love again. And I feel like you 1430 01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,160 Speaker 1: can look at it a cup different ways, like I'm 1431 01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,040 Speaker 1: never gonna love again because I found the love of 1432 01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,320 Speaker 1: my life. It's you might equal or I'm never gonna 1433 01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,320 Speaker 1: love again because what we're not hearing is all of 1434 01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,800 Speaker 1: this led to me getting con the way I've did 1435 01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:16,519 Speaker 1: it too many other Getaway car Very, Getaway car Very 1436 01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,800 Speaker 1: that and I don't know, I just I love that 1437 01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,320 Speaker 1: about it and I love that I love like the 1438 01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:23,760 Speaker 1: slower pace of this what would you call this song? 1439 01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:25,840 Speaker 1: It's I don't know. It's just like it sounds like 1440 01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,920 Speaker 1: a national song. It sounds like the piano you get guitar. Yeah, 1441 01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:33,160 Speaker 1: it's just like a bluesy Doug says, bluesy. Yeah, thank you, Doug. 1442 01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:37,479 Speaker 1: I love Cowboy like me really really wonderful, wonderful love me. 1443 01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,680 Speaker 1: So our our next one is long story short, and 1444 01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,639 Speaker 1: we did talk about this one, but this is this 1445 01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:47,400 Speaker 1: is Taylor being like Taylor. We know Taylor exists inside 1446 01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:51,240 Speaker 1: of us, and I feel that up until this point 1447 01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:53,960 Speaker 1: in the album feels like the most it feels like 1448 01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,160 Speaker 1: the most old Taylor, and that it's like her talking 1449 01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,680 Speaker 1: to herself and her fans, being like, here is an 1450 01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,080 Speaker 1: assessment of the stuff that we all know I went through. 1451 01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,760 Speaker 1: In that way, it was throwback you to me. Yeah yeah, 1452 01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,000 Speaker 1: I love that line past me. I want to tell 1453 01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,920 Speaker 1: you not to get loved in those petty things. Love 1454 01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:15,000 Speaker 1: that love that girl, you know you know that girl. 1455 01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:20,439 Speaker 1: And then we have Marjorie lovely song, lovely song. I 1456 01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,400 Speaker 1: hope to one day write a tribute to my grandmother. 1457 01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,479 Speaker 1: In this way, it made me feel sad. I mean, 1458 01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:29,280 Speaker 1: and this obviously is the point, but it does really, 1459 01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,520 Speaker 1: I mean, she has that line where she says, um, 1460 01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:34,800 Speaker 1: I should have asked you questions. I should have asked 1461 01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:38,280 Speaker 1: you how to be? That's so, and she does this 1462 01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:42,160 Speaker 1: is enormous, like she's writing down in her Yeah right, 1463 01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,439 Speaker 1: it's it's almost like she's writing down in the song 1464 01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:48,439 Speaker 1: like what she remembers everything she remembers her grandma told 1465 01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:52,519 Speaker 1: her like, um, never be sock and you know what 1466 01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you forget to be clever, never be so clever, 1467 01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,360 Speaker 1: you forget to be kind. And it's just like you 1468 01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,080 Speaker 1: get that. She takes all these things to heart now 1469 01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,479 Speaker 1: and wishes she had had more time, and that is emotional. Um, 1470 01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,439 Speaker 1: you know I've left both my grandparents and are all 1471 01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,880 Speaker 1: my grandparents both my grandmother's and um, you know those 1472 01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:14,479 Speaker 1: are relationships that are finite, very sad. And also you 1473 01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:20,439 Speaker 1: hear Marjorie Finlay's vocals sampled in the song, right, those 1474 01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:24,599 Speaker 1: like operatic sounds. That's Taylor's actual grandmother. She found she 1475 01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,639 Speaker 1: found she found like she found the recordings of sampled 1476 01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,800 Speaker 1: him in there. So she's she's on the album. I'm 1477 01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,840 Speaker 1: actually this sounds weird. It's it surprises me that she 1478 01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:37,240 Speaker 1: has not talked about um, Marjorie up until this her 1479 01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:42,680 Speaker 1: ninth album. She normally has like really dug into her 1480 01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:46,000 Speaker 1: personal history since the beginning of her career, and I'm 1481 01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:48,240 Speaker 1: just like, I can't. It's so surprising that it's taken 1482 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:50,840 Speaker 1: this long to talk about someone who clearly means how 1483 01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:54,519 Speaker 1: much she had inspired like your musicality. Yeah, I was 1484 01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:57,160 Speaker 1: surprised to not know about her either. Yeah, but maybe 1485 01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,120 Speaker 1: maybe she was like waiting for the right thing. I mean, 1486 01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,360 Speaker 1: I think this is thing. This is a beautiful, as 1487 01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:05,160 Speaker 1: beautiful of attribute as you can, right, so um that 1488 01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:07,679 Speaker 1: kind of relative of your grandmother, Like, I think this 1489 01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,840 Speaker 1: is something that she probably waited a long time to do, 1490 01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,599 Speaker 1: and she wanted to do it right. Yeah, it's really 1491 01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,000 Speaker 1: pretty and she sounds great. And we should also say 1492 01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:20,559 Speaker 1: Taylor's vocals sound great on the entire album and I 1493 01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:24,120 Speaker 1: can't wait for Fearless Taylor's version Love Story. She sounds 1494 01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,639 Speaker 1: fucking amazing. She sounds good, so mature, but still she's 1495 01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,519 Speaker 1: still going for like the brightness of like two eight 1496 01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:32,599 Speaker 1: when that an album came out, Like, she's still like 1497 01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:37,200 Speaker 1: she knows exactly what to do vocally, and like, even 1498 01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:41,320 Speaker 1: though her voice has matured so so much, tones have changed. 1499 01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,160 Speaker 1: I think she's still able to like have the right 1500 01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,840 Speaker 1: intention with what she's trying to do um in each 1501 01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:57,400 Speaker 1: different song. Okay, let's move on to closure. Yeah, I 1502 01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,680 Speaker 1: don't need closure because I feel like she on fortunately 1503 01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,360 Speaker 1: sort of leaned into a bad instinct of hers, which 1504 01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:06,519 Speaker 1: is to sort of prolonged a narrative by saying you've 1505 01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,080 Speaker 1: completed a narrative, and I just don't need it. I 1506 01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,400 Speaker 1: just don't need it. This is like a clean This 1507 01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:13,600 Speaker 1: is like a You don't think this is like a cleaner. No, 1508 01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:15,720 Speaker 1: I do not think this is like a clean I 1509 01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,360 Speaker 1: think clean is about something completely different. I think. And 1510 01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:20,720 Speaker 1: also if in a world where we have clean and 1511 01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:22,960 Speaker 1: we think they're about the same thing, we certainly don't. 1512 01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,800 Speaker 1: They're not. I'm not saying they're about They're not about this. 1513 01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:26,639 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're about the same. No, it doesn't. 1514 01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,400 Speaker 1: I just feel like it feels tacked on to me, 1515 01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,760 Speaker 1: especially when you have Marjorie, which to me is such 1516 01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:35,200 Speaker 1: a beautiful closer, because I would also cut evermore the 1517 01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:39,040 Speaker 1: next song, and again, I just I just don't need it. 1518 01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,360 Speaker 1: You just hate that it Bonivar is on it. I 1519 01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,960 Speaker 1: don't hate that Bonavara is on it. I just I 1520 01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:49,599 Speaker 1: feel the album reached a natural conclusion with Marjorie and 1521 01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,600 Speaker 1: everything else after that does it feels like a d 1522 01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,479 Speaker 1: heightened and I don't need that. I don't need like 1523 01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,080 Speaker 1: a cool down after Marjorie. I feel like that was 1524 01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:00,080 Speaker 1: the beautiful way to end the album and the and 1525 01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,920 Speaker 1: the two albums. Really yeah, exactly. And I feel like, 1526 01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:07,040 Speaker 1: you know, we know she'd she'd be releasing bonus tracks, 1527 01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,280 Speaker 1: so like, have these b bonus tracks. Then I actually 1528 01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,080 Speaker 1: really liked Right Where You Left Me, which is one 1529 01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:13,679 Speaker 1: of her bonus tracks on this one really good, really 1530 01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:15,519 Speaker 1: really good. Um, I haven't listened to it enough to 1531 01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:17,479 Speaker 1: really form like a solid opinion on it, neither of 1532 01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,880 Speaker 1: I but it's it's it's, it's, it's, it's it's a 1533 01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,439 Speaker 1: little it jumps out a little bit more than the 1534 01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,759 Speaker 1: other tracks, like it requires less of a close listen. 1535 01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:27,200 Speaker 1: We were talking ver fron Patrick. It's his birthday, by 1536 01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:30,640 Speaker 1: the way, Happy birthday house. He was telling us that 1537 01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:34,240 Speaker 1: he loves ever more and more than folks like he 1538 01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:37,360 Speaker 1: does many do. I'm so curious about that. I feel 1539 01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:41,000 Speaker 1: like folklore like I also feel this this way to 1540 01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,920 Speaker 1: a certain extent, where with the impact of Folklore coming 1541 01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,200 Speaker 1: out and being and it being fully out of nowhere 1542 01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:49,679 Speaker 1: and it being such a shift for Taylor. The impact 1543 01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:54,960 Speaker 1: of that can never be matched by the Evermore moment. 1544 01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,320 Speaker 1: And so it's so hard to listen to Evermore and 1545 01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:02,760 Speaker 1: not have it feel like Sides. I know, I know 1546 01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:06,200 Speaker 1: they're different things. I know that she had different approaches 1547 01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:10,400 Speaker 1: to them as albums. I just think it feels like 1548 01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:13,559 Speaker 1: an addendum. Still, here's what I would throw out there. 1549 01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:17,920 Speaker 1: If Evermore had come out first and then Folklore came out, 1550 01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,640 Speaker 1: would you feel the same way about Folklore? Would you 1551 01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:24,960 Speaker 1: feel that Folklore's content felt like Okay, I will say, 1552 01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,760 Speaker 1: giving it more of a chance to feel like two 1553 01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:34,720 Speaker 1: different projects, I think Folklore is stronger. Oh wait, what 1554 01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:36,960 Speaker 1: you're asking me what? I think that Folklore sounded like 1555 01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,680 Speaker 1: B sides too, Evermore. That's what I'm saying, because like no, 1556 01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,840 Speaker 1: I think Folks the superior album. Yes, right, And so 1557 01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:44,840 Speaker 1: I was gonna say that, Like I think if it 1558 01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,559 Speaker 1: was reversed, I think if Evermore had come out first, 1559 01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:52,120 Speaker 1: we would have been fucking thrilled. But then Folklore on 1560 01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,800 Speaker 1: its own, I think just stands out a little bit more. 1561 01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:58,800 Speaker 1: Like I think once we have time to really ruminate. 1562 01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,600 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna it's gonna become clear that Folklore 1563 01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:04,120 Speaker 1: is the one, and I'm happy that happen more and 1564 01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:06,880 Speaker 1: of course count Evermore as like as valid an album 1565 01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,160 Speaker 1: as any of her other ones. But and there are 1566 01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:12,320 Speaker 1: traps on Evermore that I'm like, please like replaced, Not 1567 01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,080 Speaker 1: that this is how it would work, but like, please 1568 01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:17,559 Speaker 1: replace some Folklore tracks. I mean, I made my my 1569 01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:19,960 Speaker 1: my Folkmore playlist famously, but now I'd have to change 1570 01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:21,800 Speaker 1: the names as I have. I have new favorites, some 1571 01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:24,920 Speaker 1: new some new favorites. She was she was. People were 1572 01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:27,639 Speaker 1: saying that Evermore is the more experimental album in terms 1573 01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:31,320 Speaker 1: of songwriting and production. I think Folklore felt more like 1574 01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:36,559 Speaker 1: chamber poppy, like something that she earnestly hadn't done, like 1575 01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:40,639 Speaker 1: between mirror Ball and August and Betty and like Pete. 1576 01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:44,280 Speaker 1: I'm just like it was such it was such an 1577 01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:48,280 Speaker 1: elevation in her songwriting that I was like, this is incredible, 1578 01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:50,800 Speaker 1: and I still think when you compare it side by 1579 01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,720 Speaker 1: side to folk to Evermore, it still beats it out. 1580 01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,840 Speaker 1: I do think with Ivy Ivy is this was one 1581 01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:58,720 Speaker 1: of those songs to me that I'm like you are 1582 01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,240 Speaker 1: because I know that Taylor, which has been obsessed with 1583 01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,880 Speaker 1: Johny Mitchell her entire life, and I think with Red 1584 01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:06,400 Speaker 1: she was kind of like trying to write her own 1585 01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:10,720 Speaker 1: version of Blue at the time. Um, but Ivy was 1586 01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,320 Speaker 1: her fucking nailing it with like the Joni Mitchell like 1587 01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,479 Speaker 1: Ladies of the Canyon drag like you know, like Courton 1588 01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,640 Speaker 1: Spark like whatever. Like I was like, you did it, 1589 01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,680 Speaker 1: like you did what you set out to do in 1590 01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:24,559 Speaker 1: some way, not from the beginning, not that like this 1591 01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,680 Speaker 1: was her life's work to like right and produce like 1592 01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,160 Speaker 1: a Joni Mitchell standing song, but to have like the 1593 01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,600 Speaker 1: influence so cleanly translate to a song that is you, 1594 01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,920 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift is amazing. So I just think that like 1595 01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:40,760 Speaker 1: they're they're bright spots and evermore that I still think 1596 01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:45,559 Speaker 1: are outshined by the overall like super nova moment that 1597 01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,960 Speaker 1: folklore still is to me. I think folklore is incredible, 1598 01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:51,160 Speaker 1: that it's like I still think that it's like such 1599 01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:54,599 Speaker 1: an amazing thing that it happened. I would agree. Let's 1600 01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,040 Speaker 1: bring Doug in for his quick thoughts. Do come come 1601 01:26:57,080 --> 01:27:00,160 Speaker 1: and Doug and Doug, did you listen to the um 1602 01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:02,479 Speaker 1: in preparation. It feels like you did. It feels like 1603 01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:04,280 Speaker 1: you and you had some comments. Did you fit listen 1604 01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:08,519 Speaker 1: to folklore as well? Doug come in now, so what's 1605 01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,640 Speaker 1: your what's your sort of take? I did listen to 1606 01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:16,280 Speaker 1: Evermore in pre but not folklore. No, okay, all right, 1607 01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:18,600 Speaker 1: that's fine, And I don't know that much. So I 1608 01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:20,360 Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'm just gonna blast through it 1609 01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,200 Speaker 1: and see what see what happens. And I actually agreed 1610 01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:27,760 Speaker 1: with you guys a lot on your feelings. And I 1611 01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:31,640 Speaker 1: just feel I like t Happiness the best. Yeah, I 1612 01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:35,000 Speaker 1: think it's really good. She kind of broke her I 1613 01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,320 Speaker 1: don't know if she's done this for a long time 1614 01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,439 Speaker 1: or but I always felt like she falls into this 1615 01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:45,759 Speaker 1: rhythm a lot her natural like uh, and I felt 1616 01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:49,479 Speaker 1: Happiness really broke from that, and so did Cowboy. Yeah, 1617 01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,639 Speaker 1: that's that's a great observation. Well literally, it's like we're 1618 01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:55,519 Speaker 1: able to make fun of Taylor because it is so 1619 01:27:55,640 --> 01:28:01,639 Speaker 1: like Gamma. She just have her like thing that she does, 1620 01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:03,639 Speaker 1: Like she is very tailored. There's a lot of size 1621 01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:06,360 Speaker 1: in the music and everything. But um, I think what 1622 01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:10,120 Speaker 1: you're saying is is totally that rings true for me 1623 01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,439 Speaker 1: because those songs felt like a different pace for her, 1624 01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,639 Speaker 1: not just like in terms of pace of the music obviously, 1625 01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:19,519 Speaker 1: but in terms of like emotionally, like like on Happiness 1626 01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:22,719 Speaker 1: when she's like you haven't met the new me? Yeah, 1627 01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:26,400 Speaker 1: I just felt like there's some something going on here 1628 01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:29,160 Speaker 1: that feels like a progression. And for you to not 1629 01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:30,880 Speaker 1: really even know that much about her and pick up 1630 01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,200 Speaker 1: on that is I think interesting. It was a fun 1631 01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,880 Speaker 1: exercise for me anyway. I was like, yeah, I'm just 1632 01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,519 Speaker 1: gonna listen, Like I would have never put it on 1633 01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:40,679 Speaker 1: had it not been for you. Guys. I was like, yeah, 1634 01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it on. Let's hear it. That's so emotional. 1635 01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:47,760 Speaker 1: That's so much so emotional. You should listen to folklore too. 1636 01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:49,760 Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see what you There's a lot 1637 01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:50,960 Speaker 1: of it, Like it sounds like there's a lot of 1638 01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,320 Speaker 1: like sounds that sound like magnet magnetic fields, or like 1639 01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:56,320 Speaker 1: Jesus and Mary Chane, like that era of music that 1640 01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:57,960 Speaker 1: I think you would really like if you like that 1641 01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:01,120 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Alright, girls, see you see a girl. 1642 01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,960 Speaker 1: But Doug, well, that was Doug, and we love to 1643 01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:05,839 Speaker 1: always check in with Doug and see what he feels. 1644 01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:09,559 Speaker 1: But remember he's he worked with Celendian in the nineties 1645 01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:11,479 Speaker 1: and said he didn't know who she was when they 1646 01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:15,880 Speaker 1: were in the recording booth together, So understand that shameful ultimately, 1647 01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:17,800 Speaker 1: But I think it might be time for I don't 1648 01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:19,439 Speaker 1: think so honey. I think it might be time for 1649 01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:22,120 Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. So I don't think so honey. 1650 01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:25,560 Speaker 1: Is the sixties second segment that we do um to 1651 01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:31,400 Speaker 1: rail against something in pop culture that we hate. I 1652 01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,920 Speaker 1: I think I have one off the dome. Okay, girl, honey, 1653 01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:39,320 Speaker 1: two domes for you, because I I'm about to do 1654 01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,200 Speaker 1: one off the dome too. But this is I don't 1655 01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:43,840 Speaker 1: think so honey. Time starts now. I don't think so honey. 1656 01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:46,919 Speaker 1: People only realizing Oprah is a quote unquote good interview 1657 01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:50,920 Speaker 1: now that she sat down with Megan Markle. I couldn't 1658 01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,439 Speaker 1: believe when I went on Twitter and was searching before 1659 01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:55,760 Speaker 1: we got on here the Megan Markel Oprah interview, and 1660 01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:58,280 Speaker 1: people were like, Wow, Oprah is a really good interviewer. 1661 01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:02,120 Speaker 1: Are you fucking kidding me? Literally? Where have you been forever? 1662 01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:04,599 Speaker 1: And now I'm really mad at the culture. I'm really 1663 01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:06,600 Speaker 1: mad at the culture. Because does Oprah needs to be 1664 01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:09,040 Speaker 1: on television every single day to remind you who the 1665 01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:13,439 Speaker 1: funk she is. This is Oprah. Winfree motherfucker. Also, I 1666 01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,479 Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, that we need the Royal Family 1667 01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:19,280 Speaker 1: to key us into Oprah. I fucking despise the Royal Family. 1668 01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:22,519 Speaker 1: I can't believe how much time it takes up. Bitch. 1669 01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:24,840 Speaker 1: You need to go all the way back and understand 1670 01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:28,720 Speaker 1: that Oprah predates the Royal Family. Okay, Oprah has been 1671 01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:32,439 Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of years, and the Royal Family is 1672 01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:36,080 Speaker 1: a blip on the radar. Oprah is culture Capital C, 1673 01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:39,800 Speaker 1: the Royal Family little C culture. And I don't even 1674 01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:41,240 Speaker 1: know what's going on with Megan Marco. I think she 1675 01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:45,640 Speaker 1: should be free to walk in her own designer garments 1676 01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:49,920 Speaker 1: and that's one minute, and they better be designer, honey, right, 1677 01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:52,439 Speaker 1: I won't give a ship. I did think I was like, 1678 01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:54,639 Speaker 1: right before we got on, we're actually recording this as 1679 01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:56,400 Speaker 1: the interview is happening, and I'm gonna watch it at 1680 01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,559 Speaker 1: eight um. But but I did think it was funny, 1681 01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,559 Speaker 1: like people were like, Wow, it's so great to see 1682 01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:04,599 Speaker 1: Megan Marco walking in her truth. It's like she lives 1683 01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:07,720 Speaker 1: in a fifteen million dollar house. She's living in an 1684 01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:10,280 Speaker 1: authentic life, finally walking in her truth. And it's like, yeah, 1685 01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:14,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. She's been comfortable even since before she did. 1686 01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:16,439 Speaker 1: Did you see some of the breaking tea that was 1687 01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:18,880 Speaker 1: coming from the I saw some of the breaking tea. 1688 01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:21,599 Speaker 1: I saw some of the clips this week. Um, I 1689 01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:25,280 Speaker 1: I want to comment on this, honey. This is an 1690 01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:30,240 Speaker 1: all right, oh my grew um. This is the one 1691 01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:37,000 Speaker 1: and only iconic name, another legend. You can't Bowen Yang's. 1692 01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:40,280 Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, And I'm honored to say 1693 01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:43,519 Speaker 1: in sharing space with him that I've become better and 1694 01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:47,880 Speaker 1: his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The 1695 01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:55,559 Speaker 1: royal fucking family, honey. The protection of Prince Andrew at 1696 01:31:55,600 --> 01:32:00,160 Speaker 1: the coinciding with going after fucking the Duchess of suss 1697 01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:06,000 Speaker 1: herself Megan marco Is de pla ball and the fact 1698 01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:08,559 Speaker 1: that all these bullying allegations are coming out this week 1699 01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:12,000 Speaker 1: coincidentally timed with the interview says it all, honey. It's 1700 01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:16,479 Speaker 1: a terrible, ancient, toxic thing. It's the reason why British 1701 01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:20,320 Speaker 1: tabloid culture is lethal, why it kills people, why it 1702 01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:23,439 Speaker 1: literally has killed royals in the past. The fact that 1703 01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:27,280 Speaker 1: it still exists and it still has the same culturals 1704 01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:30,439 Speaker 1: important that it does is the reason why British tabloid 1705 01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:36,240 Speaker 1: culture is as noxious as it is. So Royal Family disappear. 1706 01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:41,000 Speaker 1: Let let's make Buckingham Palace a fucking TikTok, make it 1707 01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,200 Speaker 1: a make it a collab house for YouTubers, for for 1708 01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,640 Speaker 1: zoomers to go in there and make little videos to 1709 01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:48,240 Speaker 1: entertain us, because that is more valuable than what you 1710 01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:51,200 Speaker 1: have done for hundreds of years. You inbred motherfucker's I 1711 01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:53,240 Speaker 1: don't know about all that. I don't that's one minute though, 1712 01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:55,880 Speaker 1: I understaying like they're they're old, and I'm not to 1713 01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,519 Speaker 1: be agist, but you have to get them out, bring 1714 01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,559 Speaker 1: some youthful energy into that space, sage the fucking place down. 1715 01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:06,599 Speaker 1: Then bring in some young British talent to make fun 1716 01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:09,120 Speaker 1: little videos for us. It's so funny because I was 1717 01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,800 Speaker 1: gonna do I don't think so honey, Royal family and 1718 01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,559 Speaker 1: I I then I was like, more specifically, want to 1719 01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,040 Speaker 1: talk about the how I gas I was that people 1720 01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:20,040 Speaker 1: seem to not know Oprah was good at what she does. 1721 01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:23,360 Speaker 1: But but I don't think so, honey, the royal family, 1722 01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:28,599 Speaker 1: because what like the Prince Andrew thing, like you were saying, 1723 01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:31,559 Speaker 1: like the fact that they haven't really stripped him of 1724 01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:35,679 Speaker 1: his titles, the fact that they he's only stepped away 1725 01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:39,760 Speaker 1: from public duty. He has not constructive of titles. He's 1726 01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:43,400 Speaker 1: still a line to the throne. I mean they stepped 1727 01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:45,360 Speaker 1: away too, but the thing is just like for them 1728 01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:48,160 Speaker 1: to be like we're launching an investigation into the claims 1729 01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:51,840 Speaker 1: of Megan's bullying and not like take more seriously the 1730 01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:55,519 Speaker 1: fact that like Prince Andrew was on Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile island, 1731 01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:59,160 Speaker 1: like was like literally sweating his ass off when asked 1732 01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:02,760 Speaker 1: questions about it, and interview like the fucking call is 1733 01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:05,479 Speaker 1: coming from inside the house and the call is rotted 1734 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:10,240 Speaker 1: and gutted. I don't get it. And Elizabeth the second 1735 01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:15,360 Speaker 1: is like not, she's not It's not been it. I 1736 01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:17,479 Speaker 1: was in London during the Diamond Jubilee and I thought, 1737 01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:20,200 Speaker 1: I'm not impressed. I said, like Karen Huger said to 1738 01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:23,320 Speaker 1: Miss Wendy Steppa herself, I'm not impressed. You know who 1739 01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:26,280 Speaker 1: else is not it? Fucking Charles is obviously not it, 1740 01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,400 Speaker 1: and Prince William is not it because also let's not 1741 01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:33,360 Speaker 1: forget the fact that they pivoted so hard to piling 1742 01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:37,559 Speaker 1: on Megan was because there was many allegations that Prince 1743 01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:41,080 Speaker 1: William was cheating on Kate Middleton. Girl. I'm so excited, 1744 01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:43,800 Speaker 1: my my girl is starting to work on a project 1745 01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:45,720 Speaker 1: that I think you will do very very well in. 1746 01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:49,640 Speaker 1: I hope it was just his birthday. I celebrate you. 1747 01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:55,600 Speaker 1: Thank you for celebrating Teresa. I celebrate you, Teresa. You 1748 01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,439 Speaker 1: were my Teresa. Should we sing it out? We should 1749 01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:00,200 Speaker 1: sing it out? What do you think is the song 1750 01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:05,880 Speaker 1: we should do? There is happiness after me, but there's 1751 01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:14,760 Speaker 1: happiness because of me. There's just a nice little software there. 1752 01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:20,160 Speaker 1: In the podcast, Swift Swift, Bye Bye