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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday, Aaron Torres,

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Speaker 2: Jason Martin is back. We're broadcasting live from the Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio studios. Hope everybody's having a great Saturday. First

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Speaker 2: of all, j mart it's good to have you back.

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Speaker 2: For everyone who is not with us last week, Olden

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Speaker 2: Polonies was in. Actually no no disrespect to you, j Mart,

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Speaker 2: but had a lot of fun with Olden. We obviously

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Speaker 2: were coming on fresh off of the Eastern Conference Finals

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Speaker 2: clinching win for the Indiana Pacers. We actually, ironically, maybe

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Speaker 2: not ironically, talked a lot about Tom Thibodau, maybe more

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Speaker 2: than I was expecting, But we had fun. We missed you.

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Speaker 2: I listened to you on the car ride home. How

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Speaker 2: were you, How was your overnight shift filling in for

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Speaker 2: Bernie Fratto? And how is life for Jason Martin?

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Speaker 3: Overall? Everything's good man. Yeah, I mean that's a late

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Speaker 3: night man, especially not being on the West coast doing

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Speaker 3: that four hours. I used to do that, and it

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Speaker 3: was good to give Bernie the week off. And I

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Speaker 3: was thinking about earlier. I was like, who was I

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Speaker 3: hosted with last week? Because I was going back through

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Speaker 3: trying to think about takes and all this random stuff,

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Speaker 3: and then it hit me, Oh yeah, nobody, it was

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Speaker 3: just me for four hours. So it is good to

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Speaker 3: be back kind of home, back where I'm used to.

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Speaker 3: I apologize for not being a former NBA or though well,

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Speaker 3: I was only able to catch the tail end of

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Speaker 3: the show with Polnies, and I was just like, yeah, man,

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Speaker 3: this is this is exactly what you would want right now,

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Speaker 3: is to have somebody that understands the league the way

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Speaker 3: that he does be able to comment on something as

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Speaker 3: big as what had happened that night. So it sets

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Speaker 3: it set everything up really really well. So it's good

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Speaker 3: to be back. But it was it was It was fine, Aaron,

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Speaker 3: it was fine. Four hours of solo radio is something

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Speaker 3: I've done a lot of in my career. It's not

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Speaker 3: something I would advise very many people to do.

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Speaker 2: Well, you did great from what I heard, and it

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Speaker 2: is great to have you back. It was a pleasure

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Speaker 2: to work with Olden Polinies, and he did have a

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Speaker 2: lot of great stuff to say about a lot of

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Speaker 2: different NBA topics, and we're gonna get to a lot

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Speaker 2: of different NBA topics, but I guess we should probably

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Speaker 2: start with what happened Thursday night. Listen have to well,

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Speaker 2: we probably do. Uh you know, I'll say this. I

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Speaker 2: don't think we're gonna spend a ton of time breaking

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Speaker 2: it down as much as you know over the next

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Speaker 2: three hours, looking ahead and talking about some of the

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Speaker 2: ancillary stories around game one, including the TV ratings and

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Speaker 2: things of that nature. We're forty eight hours removed nearly

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Speaker 2: at this point. But if you've somehow been living under

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Speaker 2: a rock over the last forty eight hours, Mary Mack,

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Speaker 2: I think we have the sound. This is how it

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Speaker 2: ended Thursday.

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Speaker 4: Night, Rebound Indiana. Eight seconds to go. The Pacers are

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Speaker 4: not gonna call the time out. Paddleburton has it with

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Speaker 4: three driving, with two pulling.

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Speaker 2: Up ahead, heading with three tenths of a second to go?

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Speaker 4: How many more times can this team do that?

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Speaker 2: So weeds Baby that call via Pacers Radio network much

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Speaker 2: better than the ESPN co Yes, we might.

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Speaker 3: Have to talk. You have to say it because you

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Speaker 3: knew exactly what it was.

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Speaker 2: I canna say we got three hours. We might have

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Speaker 2: to talk about ESPN's coverage or lack thereof, or whatever

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Speaker 2: we're calling, what they're doing these days with their NBA product.

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Speaker 2: But let's focus on the court for now. Tyrese Halliburton

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Speaker 2: another dagger. Pacers were trailing by as much as fifteen

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Speaker 2: points in the fourth quarter, another rally. I'll go through

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Speaker 2: some of them in a minute of everything they've done

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Speaker 2: in these playoffs. I know what your reaction is. I

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Speaker 2: think everybody knows. But j mart is a thunderfan, so

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Speaker 2: the floor is yours, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Look, manim is tough, and it's just the Pacers have

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Speaker 3: become one of those teams where if it's not over,

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Speaker 3: you'd better still be in the seats, or you'd better

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Speaker 3: still be watching the television screen because Rick Carlis was

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Speaker 3: not gonna let them quit. And really, just those guys

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Speaker 3: Siachham doesn't quit. Halliburton clearly does not quit. That's a

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Speaker 3: team that is just going to continue to fight you

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Speaker 3: until there's nothing left. And the Thunder got a little

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Speaker 3: tight down the stretch, and they just it was it

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Speaker 3: didn't feel quite as good. Early in the game. They

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Speaker 3: seem to be rolling. Third quarter, seemed to be rolling.

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Speaker 3: But there in the fourth when it got tight, when

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Speaker 3: it got down to single digits, you just started having

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Speaker 3: the same flashbacks. It's like, don't leave it in the

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Speaker 3: hands of the pacers at the end of this thing,

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Speaker 3: and after the miss on the other end, it was

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Speaker 3: set up perfectly, and Halliburton's gonna it just seems like

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Speaker 3: Haliburton's that dude, Like Halliburton is that guy that can't

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Speaker 3: have the ball in his hands at the end if

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Speaker 3: you want to win, and I mean for the other team,

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Speaker 3: Like he's just he's becoming so clutch in these moments.

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Speaker 3: I heard him compare it, and this was like another

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Speaker 3: part of this horrible dialogue.

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Speaker 2: About whether or not he's a superstar.

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Speaker 3: I don't even want to read. I want to try

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Speaker 3: to let it go. But the way that he was

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Speaker 3: being described to try and stop from calling of a superstar,

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Speaker 3: it was to say he was Robert Ori and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: can you stop, can you please stop? Someone said that, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: someone that makes a lot of most money in the

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Speaker 3: history of sports media.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, that was his way, you know, and

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Speaker 2: rich I can't believe in nob kidding.

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Speaker 3: I know, yeah, yeah, exactly. I was just kind of like, looke, Yes,

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Speaker 3: if you want to talk about big shot makers, I

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Speaker 3: understand the comparison to or, but if you're saying, I

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Speaker 3: mean was right. But the question that was asked on

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Speaker 3: the television program was was Robert Orrie a superstar? And

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Speaker 3: I was just like, man, I hate everything about this.

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Speaker 3: I hate all the things that you choose to be like.

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Speaker 3: It's just so frustrating. He is a clutch dude, he is,

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Speaker 3: and because he's a pass first guard, he can't be

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Speaker 3: a superstar for some reason. All I know is he

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Speaker 3: is lethal, He is clutch, and he is cold blooded.

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Speaker 3: And he absolutely as soon as the ball left his hands,

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Speaker 3: you knew it was in. You just knew it was in.

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Speaker 3: I mean, And this one didn't require the bounce that

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Speaker 3: was heard around the world like Game one against the Knicks,

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Speaker 3: but same result on the road. Pacers snag won that

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Speaker 3: they should not have won, and you know now it's

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Speaker 3: up to the Thunder to answer the call in game two.

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Speaker 2: Well, i'll tell you what about ten minutes from now,

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Speaker 2: we'll get into some of the comments about Haliburton, the

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Speaker 2: discourse and why I think it all plays pretty clearly

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Speaker 2: into a disappointing TV rating. That'll be about ten minutes

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Speaker 2: from now. But I'll say this for how you know

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Speaker 2: these playoffs go on so long that sometimes you lose perspective,

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Speaker 2: and you know, you see all these narratives, but oh

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Speaker 2: the Pacers come, and then it's like you actually go back.

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Speaker 2: April twenty ninth round was April first of all. April

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Speaker 2: twenty ninth, I think was during the NFL Draft. That's

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Speaker 2: how long ago.

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Speaker 3: This was.

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Speaker 2: Indiana Trail Milwaukee one eighteen one eleven thirty four seconds

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Speaker 2: left in overtime, Haliburton bucket, one point four seconds remaining.

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Speaker 2: Pacers win. May sixth, Indiana Trail Cleveland won nineteen one

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Speaker 2: twelve forty eight seconds left. They win one twenty one

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Speaker 2: to nineteen Haliburton game winner with one point one seconds

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Speaker 2: to play. As you mentioned, May twenty, first Game one

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Speaker 2: Eastern Conference Finals, Indiana Trail New York in that game

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Speaker 2: by nine with fifty one seconds left. Halliburton the shot

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Speaker 2: high off the off the rim, goes into force overtime

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Speaker 2: and wins. So basically fourth either game tying or game

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Speaker 2: these playoffs, I don't even know, you know, like the

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Speaker 2: Superstar non superstar conversation is so dumb and I don't

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Speaker 2: want to get into like the he's more clutch than

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Speaker 2: this guy or that guy or that guy was never

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Speaker 2: as clutch as this. But it's like it is kind

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Speaker 2: of insane, like some of the all time great players

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Speaker 2: have not had moments like this over the totality of

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Speaker 2: their careers. He has four of them in one playoff run,

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Speaker 2: and you know, it's I think it's probably a little

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Speaker 2: early to start talking about all time playoff but I mean, listen,

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Speaker 2: four game winners, they're the four seed in the East.

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Speaker 2: Nobody had them here. We're continuing to try to figure

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Speaker 2: out ways to talk about this team because nobody expected

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Speaker 2: them to be here. This is an incredible run and

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Speaker 2: I think it would obviously go down as one of

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Speaker 2: the all time great runs if Indiana can close out

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Speaker 2: three of the next six.

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Speaker 3: No question about it. And you know I said this

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Speaker 3: last week and I may have even said it a

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago as well, but Rick Carlisle was

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Speaker 3: just super underrated. Yeah, really really good coach that no

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Speaker 3: one was really talking about. And all we know is,

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Speaker 3: I mean, look for all of the pub that the

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Speaker 3: Knicks got a year or during this postseason run and

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Speaker 3: during this year, after the moves that they made and

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Speaker 3: all this I mean, they played the Pacers last year

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Speaker 3: and that thing was an absolute dogfight in the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: and then they match up again and you see how

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Speaker 3: the result goes. The Pacers have to go down as

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Speaker 3: one of the most underappreciated, disrespected teams we've seen in

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Speaker 3: a very long time, because the more that you watched them,

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Speaker 3: the more you realize they're really good. And we should

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Speaker 3: have known this, right, like everyone should have known looking

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Speaker 3: at their roster, looking at their depth, looking at the

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Speaker 3: way Carlisle game plans and schemes, and just they got

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Speaker 3: what you want. They've got Halliburton, who doesn't need to

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Speaker 3: go to score forty to just terrify you and have

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Speaker 3: to game plan against. Then you've got Siakam who on

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Speaker 3: any given night can give you forty. You've got guys

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Speaker 3: that can make threes, but they aren't content to always

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Speaker 3: have to make threes. They play good defense, they hustle

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Speaker 3: for everything. They got what you want, man, and like

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Speaker 3: everyone slept on them, completely slept on them. And now

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Speaker 3: you're seeing and this was what I this is what

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Speaker 3: worried me going into the finals, is it just looks

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Speaker 3: like this thing doesn't even need to be played based

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Speaker 3: on how it was talked about. It's just like with

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Speaker 3: a thunder and five, maybe thunder and four, how much

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Speaker 3: thunder in three? And I said, I said thunder in

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Speaker 3: five And it may still be that, but I said,

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Speaker 3: I hesitated to do it because I've seen what Indiana

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Speaker 3: has done and like you, you count them out at

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Speaker 3: your own peril, And that's what happened. Like, if you

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Speaker 3: do not play them down to the last second, you're

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Speaker 3: probably going to lose against this team. I anticipate that

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Speaker 3: the thunder are gonna blow them out in game two,

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Speaker 3: but I also thought the Knicks were probably gonna do

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Speaker 3: that in game two, and that's exactly the opposite of

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Speaker 3: what happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. I think we see this in sports sometimes,

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Speaker 2: but I in watching and you know, I think that

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Speaker 2: at this point we just have to acknowledge you're just

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Speaker 2: better than anyone realized. And I think most I think

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Speaker 2: most people with the brain probably realized this. I realized

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Speaker 2: that at this point now. But it was kind of

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Speaker 2: wild to watch, just a conversation in the lead up

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Speaker 2: to the finals. And I'm not even gonna blame anybody

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Speaker 2: for it, because I think it was pretty That was

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Speaker 2: Game one NBA Finals in the books. As you've probably

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Speaker 3: Yep. Look, that's exactly where I thought you were going,

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Speaker 3: couple of years ago became one of the best stories

431
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Speaker 3: in the NBA, but it wasn't being talked about enough

432
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Speaker 3: because it wasn't in a big market, it wasn't the Lakers,

433
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Speaker 3: and it wasn't Golden State. And that's kind of the

434
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Speaker 3: way that it's been. Kevin Durant should not be getting

435
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Speaker 3: a lot of the press anymore. He really shouldn't be,

436
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Speaker 3: but he still is because he's a made guy. This

437
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Speaker 3: is how you destroy yourself, because if you don't plan

438
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Speaker 3: for the future, then the league can never outlive you.

439
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Speaker 3: Like you don't just set up a league so that

440
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Speaker 3: it's still there when you die. You set up a

441
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Speaker 3: league so that it is flourishing and hopefully better after

442
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 3: the fact when you've moved on and they have stagnated

443
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Speaker 3: because they've just stayed in the same lane for so long,

444
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Speaker 3: and they've let player after player after player. They bet

445
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Speaker 3: on one guy and they got it wrong, and that

446
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Speaker 3: was Zion Williamson. Outside of that, it has been the

447
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Speaker 3: exact same guys for a decade now and with no

448
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Speaker 3: slight on them. Steph is as as most must watch

449
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Speaker 3: as you can find. But the problem is, I think

450
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Speaker 3: you need to use a Steph Curry, and use a

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Speaker 3: Lebron James, and use even a Kevin Durant or whoever

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Speaker 3: it is that you want to include this conversation giannas Ainsetkumpo,

453
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Speaker 3: whoever it is. You want to use them to create

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Speaker 3: new stars, and that means that when the Lakers play

455
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Speaker 3: against the Magic, you pub the heck out of Pailo Bankero.

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Speaker 3: When you've got them against Oklahoma City, if you still

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Speaker 3: want to feature the Lakers because you know they're a

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Speaker 3: ratings grapper, then really make it seem like the thunder

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Speaker 3: Matter because they can become stars on the floor against

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Speaker 3: your existing stars. They're good enough on the floor to

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Speaker 3: do that if you don't decap them all the way

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Speaker 3: in the run up to do it. And then they

463
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Speaker 3: get to the finals and they pitch this kind of

464
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Speaker 3: a rating and it's told you they weren't stars. Now

465
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Speaker 3: that's on you. That's not on them, that's on you.

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Speaker 3: Like I'll tell you one thing about the Pacers and Halliburton,

467
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Speaker 3: particularly Halliburton has a tremendous personality, tremendous. WWE has figured

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Speaker 3: that out because they continue to use him. He has

469
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Speaker 3: done research and the homework, he knows the storylines, he

470
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Speaker 3: can cut a promo. He's got, you know, that kind

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Speaker 3: of geeky side and all that. But that's a dude

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Speaker 3: that has personality. That's a dude that has some charisma

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Speaker 3: about him. There's other guys. They have natural charisma about them,

474
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Speaker 3: but they have to actually be given an opportunity with

475
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Speaker 3: the camera in their face, as opposed to in the

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Speaker 3: face of Lebron James trying to tell us whether or

477
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Speaker 3: not he's going to pick up his player option or not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was funny about two three weeks ago, and

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Speaker 2: we can wrap on this get to disagra in a minute,

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Speaker 2: but I remember something happened. It must have been right

481
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Speaker 2: around the time that the Lakers got eliminated, and it

482
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Speaker 2: really struck me. I think, you know, I was just

483
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Speaker 2: watching all these games and I'm like, dude, Shay's awesome,

484
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Speaker 2: and Jalen Williams is awesome, and Tyreese Alliburton's awesome, and

485
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Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson even though I know they just lost in

486
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Speaker 2: the previous series, but Jalen Brunson's awesome. And it's like,

487
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Speaker 2: there's so many good young stars and I'll blame Adam Silver,

488
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Speaker 2: but I'll also say, like leb at this point, it's

489
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Speaker 2: crazy as weird as it sounds, I think Lebron would

490
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Speaker 2: actually be doing the league a favor by retiring, because

491
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Speaker 2: I just feel like he's kind of this black cloud

492
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Speaker 2: that hangs over the league. You and I have talked

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Speaker 2: about it. I don't believe that the Lakers are really

494
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Speaker 2: a contender. I don't believe that they're a player or

495
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Speaker 2: two away. But as long as he's in this league,

496
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Speaker 2: they're gonna keep talking about him. And it's just, you know,

497
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Speaker 2: it's just it just I don't know, it just I

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Speaker 2: feel like it it.

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Speaker 3: The league can't move on. It test leaves.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and it wears down the conversation. And like I said,

501
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Speaker 2: there's just so many good, young, interesting players, and it

502
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Speaker 2: feels like they're not getting enough spot like Fox Sports Radio.

503
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Speaker 2: Aaron Torres, Jason Martin, we are broadcasting live from the

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio studios, will come back talking about might

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Speaker 2: be time to just leave black Cloud over the league.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. We'll talk about him next. Yeah, that's yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's most football fans this week. We'll get to that

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Speaker 2: next before we do, though, the SEGA. What's going on,

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Speaker 2: my man? What's trending?

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Speaker 6: I feel like the NFL has moved on, and yet

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Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers is still with us.

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Speaker 7: What's going on?

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Speaker 6: NBA Finals Game two is Sunday. By the way, Pacers

514
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Speaker 6: and Thunder this postseason entered the finals each at twelve

515
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Speaker 6: and four. Okase's regular season record was sixty eight and fourteen,

516
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Speaker 6: including a couple wins against Indiana. The Pacers record on

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Speaker 6: January first was sixteen and eighteen. So here in the

518
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Speaker 6: new year, this calendar year, these are the two best

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Speaker 6: teams that you have in this matchup.

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Speaker 2: Who I knew that though?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just math. I mean, it's not a debate topic,

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Speaker 6: it's not an opinion. These are mathematically the two best

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Speaker 6: teams in the NBA and the calendar year twenty twenty

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Speaker 6: five two.

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Speaker 2: And I don't mean to continue to put a spotlight

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Speaker 2: on another network. But obviously first take is kind of

527
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Speaker 2: the show that whatever. I would love for somebody to

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Speaker 2: track the first time they did a legitimate segment on

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Speaker 2: the Pacers these playoffs. I would guess it wasn't until

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Speaker 2: like now, beat up to the Eastern Conference Finals, exactly.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 6: How about the season, That's what I mean. They probably

533
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Speaker 6: kind of forced to as more teams get elimited.

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Speaker 3: That's what they may have Actually, you know what, they

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Speaker 3: probably talked about them when they beat the Calves because

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Speaker 3: the Cavs being a one seed. But I bet they

537
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Speaker 3: framed it in terms of the Cavs being a failure

538
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Speaker 3: and not about the Pacers being good.

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Speaker 2: And Donovan Mitchell's not a superstar, needs more help trade yeuh.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Pacers since January first, forty seven and eighteen, Oklahoma

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Speaker 6: City fifty three and fourteen since January first, And yes,

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Speaker 6: it was under nine million viewers for Game one of

543
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Speaker 6: the finals. Last year's Game one Maverick Celtics was about

544
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Speaker 6: eleven million viewers. You talk about TV market size in

545
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Speaker 6: the NBA, you have twenty eight markets that have teams.

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Speaker 6: For example, LA has two teams Indianapolis is number twenty

547
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Speaker 6: two on the list out of the twenty eight markets.

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Speaker 6: Oklahoma City is twenty sixth. Only New Orleans and Memphis

549
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Speaker 6: are smaller. But the NBA, in a sense already has

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Speaker 6: it's money because they have the new TV contract that

551
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Speaker 6: kicks in starting next year, and that's an eleven year contract.

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Speaker 2: Less say, I don't gonna keep interrupting the sagarete, but

553
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Speaker 2: this is the most annoying thing to me is every

554
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Speaker 2: time somebody does want to have a conversation about the ratings,

555
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Speaker 2: it's like, well, look at the TV deal, everything's going great.

556
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm sorry, but when every other sport is

557
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: trending up and you're trending down, don't tell me it's

558
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 2: going great. And the only less yes, congrats you got

559
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: a lot of money from the TV partners because live

560
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 2: live sports is the only thing that you can sell

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Speaker 2: advertising for. But stop telling me that. Like, like, has

562
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: the conversation become overblown? Maybe, but like the idea that

563
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Speaker 2: we can't talk about it because the NBA got a

564
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: new TV contract because everybody wants live sporting events just

565
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 2: drives me crazy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't you cannot say out loud that the

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Speaker 6: low TV ratings are completely insignificant. Exactly, they measure something. Yes,

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Speaker 6: it's once again, it's math. It's not opinion. You're balls

569
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Speaker 6: are on this. And by the way, TV ratings these

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Speaker 6: days do include out of home viewing at sports bars

571
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Speaker 6: and so forth. So we're gonna have these exciting pacers

572
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Speaker 6: with Tyrese Haliburton after his game winner in Game one. That's,

573
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Speaker 6: by the way, five fifteen plus point comebacks this postseason.

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Speaker 7: For Indiana, they're up one game to none.

575
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Speaker 6: Kentucky Derby winner Sovereignty took the Belmont Stakes today, Coco

576
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Speaker 6: Goff won the French Open. WNBA wins for Indiana and

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Speaker 6: Golden State. Speaking of ratings, you know this was a

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Speaker 6: big CBS game tonight with no NBA tonight. It was

579
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Speaker 6: Indiana at Chicago on CBS and no Caitlin Clark still

580
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Speaker 6: out with a string quad Angel Rees played Indiana and

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Speaker 6: Chicago still played.

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Speaker 7: So standing by on the ratings.

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Speaker 2: Get in price three dollars. Swear to god, I'm not

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Speaker 2: making that up.

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Speaker 3: That's not a joke.

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Speaker 2: Now, I looked it up before. We'll be talking about

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Speaker 2: an hour two to segment. You could come back in

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Speaker 2: for you could come back in for that one.

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Speaker 3: No, you get a lot of Mike, and that one, Steve.

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Speaker 6: Indiana seventy nine fifty two was the fun. And we've

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Speaker 6: got three late games in Major League Baseball. The Angels

592
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Speaker 6: are holding on six to five of the over the

593
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 6: Mariners top of the six. Cal Raley with his twenty

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Speaker 6: fifth homer for the MS. Mets have three solo shots

595
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Speaker 6: and lead four to one at Colorado top of the

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Speaker 6: seventh Rockies. If they lose tonight, we'll be twelve and

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Speaker 6: fifty two this season. The Orioles have tied up the

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Speaker 6: A's in Sacramento four to four, bottom of the fifth.

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Speaker 6: Yankees held on to Boston, held on to beat the

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Speaker 6: Yankees in New York ten seven. Milwaukee Homard in the

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Speaker 6: ninth to beat San Diego four to three. San Francisco

602
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Speaker 6: Homard in the night to beat the Braves three two.

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Speaker 6: Atlanta has lost sixth straight. Saint Louis and Pittsburgh with

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Speaker 6: home wins back to you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Steve dis Seger, appreciate you. Sorry

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Speaker 2: I kept interrupting, but I was just so fired up

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Speaker 2: about some of these conversations. It says Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: air Torres and Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio studios. Will come back and we'll discuss the

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Speaker 2: biggest name quarterback to sign this week. I just don't

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Speaker 2: know that it's gonna matter. Once the game start, we'll

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Speaker 2: discuss that next.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody. Fox Sports Radio rators, Jason Martin. We

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Speaker 2: are broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. So

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Speaker 2: the story came out on Thursday, Game one of the

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Speaker 2: NBA Finals, j Martin. I remember we were filling in

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Speaker 2: it for Jason Smith and Mike Carmen in March, maybe

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Speaker 2: early eight I think it was late March, and it

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Speaker 2: was during the height of NFL free agency, and we

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Speaker 2: did a segment kind of mocking our peers in the industry.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't really intentionally to mock anyone specific, but it

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Speaker 2: was basically the least impactful moves of the offseason, and

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Speaker 2: what it really was was the moves that everyone's making

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Speaker 2: a big deal about but really are going to have

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Speaker 2: no impact on winning once the season starts. We talked

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Speaker 2: about Russell Wilson going to the Giants and Sam Darnold

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Speaker 2: going to the Seahawks, I don't know that I would

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Speaker 2: quite put Aaron Rodgers going to the Steelers quite in

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Speaker 2: that category. But forty one going on forty two year

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Speaker 2: old quarterback, four years removed from a MVP season, going

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Speaker 2: to a franchise that has not gotten out of Wildcard

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Speaker 2: weekend since twenty seventeen. Big name, big brand. But and

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Speaker 2: I don't think this is a unique take. I just

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna be anything amazing. I think

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be totally fine, and they'll probably go ten

637
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Speaker 2: and seven or nine and eight and be on the

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Speaker 2: fringes of the wildcard conversation. It's just hard for me

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Speaker 2: to get excited. I hate to do it. It's just

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Speaker 2: hard for me to get excited about Aaron Rodgers being

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Speaker 2: a Pittsburgh Steeler.

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Speaker 3: It's certainly interesting, but it is not impactful. Oh exactly.

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Speaker 3: That's where I am on it. I think it is intriguing,

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Speaker 3: like it's interesting because it's Aaron Rodgers, but it's not

645
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Speaker 3: impactful because it's Aaron Rodgers. In twenty twenty five, you

646
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: talk about four years removed from an MVP season, He's

647
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 3: two years removed from anything resembling like noteworthy football of

648
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: any kind. Like there was one game where the Jets

649
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: showed out and you like sent a ton of text messages,

650
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 3: j etys, that's the Jets, baby.

651
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Speaker 2: It was a Thursday night game. Yeah, yeah, I remember Patriots.

652
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: Patriots think it was Toby.

653
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Speaker 3: Work game action. That's the one. So other than that,

654
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: there's pretty much nothing else to write home about. There's

655
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 3: almost nothing to talk about here. Uh, he's older. We

656
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: haven't seen him play good football in about three years now,

657
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 3: even his last season in Green Bay that wasn't very

658
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: good either. Now he's going to Pittsburgh, who just let

659
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: George Pickens go on top of everything else that's going on.

660
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: And I keep hearing and I keep reading that this

661
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: is a team that's ready to compete right now, but

662
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: he might not be good enough to get him there.

663
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Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know that they are. I think

664
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Speaker 3: they're third in that divisions. That's where I think they're

665
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: going to finish. I think Baltimore and Cincinnati are both

666
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 3: going to end up with better records than they are. Tomlin,

667
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: you know, notoriously always has a winning record. This is

668
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 3: the year I could see that stopping. And it's not

669
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Speaker 3: because I think that Aaron Rodgers is a cancer. It's

670
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Speaker 3: just because I think Aaron Rodgers at this point in

671
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 3: his career, we're talking, we're talking Twilight Man like Sunset

672
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: era of his career like this is, you know, putting

673
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: the lid on Biden at ten am like this. That's

674
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Speaker 3: about where we are when it comes to Aaron Rodgers

675
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 3: as a football player until further notice. We understand how

676
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 3: good he has been, but that has absolutely nothing to

677
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: do with what he's going to do now. I'm interested

678
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: in it because it's going to be fun to see

679
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: how it transpires. But I do not think that this

680
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: is going to work. I do not think that he's

681
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: the quarterback that is going to win for them, and

682
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Speaker 3: I don't think that they have enough talent on the

683
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: offensive side of the football right now even be considered

684
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: as any kind of a contender. So I believe they're

685
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 3: about an eight to nine win team with Aaron Rodgers

686
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Speaker 3: at quarterback, and that's if he plays all seventeen games.

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Speaker 2: Transparently, I hate topics like this because I feel like

688
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: our opinion is literally the exact same. I haven't. It's

689
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Speaker 2: almost like we were talking about Okay, see indie, Indie. I

690
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: like I didn't hear anybody definitively make the case for

691
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: Indian five, Indian six, and who knows what's gonna happen there.

692
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Speaker 2: But I just bring I haven't heard anybody make the

693
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Speaker 2: argument for like this is gonna go way better, Like

694
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Speaker 2: the one thing you're missing about this is this, and

695
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: then make the definitive argument on why the Steelers could

696
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 2: be better. And you know, the thing I was just

697
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: talking to producer Ian about this during the break is

698
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Speaker 2: that the thing with this is like, listen, we all

699
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: know the best case we all know the worst case

700
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 2: scenario just a disaster. We all know the likely scenario

701
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: nine to eight, ten and seven. But even in a

702
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 2: best case scenario, the reality is you're going to go

703
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: You're going to come out of next season with a

704
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: forty two year old quarterback who, even if he plays well,

705
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: you have a forty two year old quarterback. And you know,

706
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Speaker 2: I know this is a very common discourse about the Steelers.

707
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Speaker 2: And I get it that Mike Tomlin doesn't want to

708
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Speaker 2: bott him out, that the organization doesn't want to bought

709
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Speaker 2: him out, but it's like, how many years in a

710
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Speaker 2: row are you just gonna go through this cycle of

711
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: quarterback year over year over year. And I know they

712
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: drafted Kenny Pickett in the first round it didn't work out,

713
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: so maybe they're a little hesitant to take a young guy.

714
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Speaker 2: But it's like, again, Kenny Pickett didn't work out, Russell

715
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: Wilson didn't work out. Even if Aaron Rodgers plays well,

716
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Speaker 2: does he have another year after this one? And if

717
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: he doesn't, then you're right back in the situation and

718
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: he's probably gonna win you just enough games where you're

719
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: not in position to get a true difference maker in

720
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Speaker 2: the top five, top ten next year. And so that's

721
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Speaker 2: what's I think a little frustrating to me about this

722
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: is I get, you know, not wanting to bought him out,

723
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: and maybe you never will, but you're just saying yourself

724
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: up to be in the exact same situation next year

725
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 2: where you're gonna need another quarterback either you draft him,

726
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: you side him as a free agent, whatever. And it's

727
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 2: just this never ending cycle that I think the Steelers

728
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: need to get themselves out of.

729
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Speaker 3: So we know that Russell Wilson at this stage is

730
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: not very good. He's not terrible, but he's not very good. Right,

731
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Speaker 3: Like I think we're all agreed on that, and I

732
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 3: mean pretty much everybody listening would be in agreement on that.

733
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 3: Who out there thinks Aaron Rodgers is gonna do better

734
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 3: than Russell Wilson did last year in Pittsburgh exactly? That's

735
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: the point, Like the juice is not worth the squeeze

736
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: to win ten games and get beat in a wildcar round.

737
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: If that's let's say, that's the ceiling of this experiment,

738
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Speaker 3: what are you doing here? Like why not just resign

739
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson because you're kicking the same can down the

740
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 3: same road. Like eventually you have to find a long

741
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 3: term answer. At the very least, even if they drafted

742
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,959
Speaker 3: a guy we wouldn't have in that spot. At least

743
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: the Colts took a swing on Anthony Richardson, Like at

744
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: least they went for somebody else because they were they

745
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,479
Speaker 3: used to be what the Steelers are right now, they're

746
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: going quarterback to quarterback, veteran to veteran to veteran to veteran.

747
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: Nobody thinks Aaron Rodgers is playing more than one more year.

748
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't see any universe where there's

749
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Speaker 3: any reason for that to take place whatsoever, Even if

750
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: it goes poorly again, I think at that point you

751
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: just have to cut your losses and move on to

752
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 3: do whatever else it is that you want to do

753
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 3: in your life. So I just look at this and

754
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: it's just like they're gonna be a mediocre football team

755
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 3: with Aaron Rodgers or a mediocre football team without Aaron Rodgers.

756
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: They've let him hold them hostage all the way through

757
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 3: up until now he's gonna show up at mini camp

758
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 3: or whatever on June twenty second. I think the date

759
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: was are you in a better spot today than you

760
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 3: were two three months ago when you had a lot

761
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 3: more potential options out there. I think the answer is no.

762
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: I think they misplayed this. They let Aaron Rodgers be

763
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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, and now they're going to get Aaron Rodgers

764
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five, which to me is a middle

765
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 3: of the road at best quarterback that is not going

766
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Speaker 3: to be a difference maker for your franchise.

767
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Speaker 2: Well, and that's the other thing too. The best case,

768
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: let's talk best case scenario, real quick. Best case scenario

769
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Speaker 2: is he completely exceeds expectations and you you know, again,

770
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: what is that eleven wins? Okay, whatever, then you're in

771
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 2: the same scenario next off Seth's right where he's spending

772
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: up until maybe not June, but he's spending most of

773
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Speaker 2: the offseason. Am I coming? Am I staying? Am I

774
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 2: going to my whatever? And it's just I don't want

775
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: to say I don't get why it was done. And

776
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: maybe i'd feel a little bit differently if they'd just

777
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: done this in March and it was done, but it's

778
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Speaker 2: just it does nothing for me. And listen, I speak

779
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: for seemingly everybody in sports media when I say third

780
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: best team in that division. Maybe they make the wildcard,

781
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: or maybe they make the playoffs as a wildcard, but

782
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: it's hard to see a ceiling much higher than that.

783
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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio Aaron Torres Jason Martin broadcasting live from

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Speaker 2: the Fox Sports Radio studios. We are just getting started

785
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Speaker 2: taking the up till two am Eastern. We'll come back

786
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Speaker 2: busy week across basketball. Tom Thibodeau out. So why don't

787
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Speaker 1: Don't listen? Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: we are live midnight Eastern eleventh Central. Hope everybody's having

792
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Speaker 2: a great evening, tweeted us. Let us know where you're listening,

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Speaker 2: how you're listening, Well, where are you at? Aaron Underscore

794
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Speaker 2: tours on Twitter as well as J Mart Radio, We

795
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797
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Speaker 2: of NBA talking Hour one obviously Game one of the

798
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Speaker 2: NBA Finals. In the books, do want to switch gears though,

799
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Speaker 2: I want to stay in the NBA, but switch gears

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Speaker 2: to another topic. That's certainly made headlines this week, and

801
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Speaker 2: I think what has now become increasingly interesting is not

802
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Speaker 2: just the headlines that were made with the initial news

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Speaker 2: piece of news, but then subsequently what's kind of happened since,

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Speaker 2: And that's the firing of New York Knicks head coach

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Speaker 2: Tom Thibodeau. So yeah, I was gonna say, if you

806
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Speaker 2: were listening in this time slot last week, it was

807
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Speaker 2: something old in Polonies and I actually talked about a

808
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: fair amount last week just from the perspective of Olden

809
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: obviously played in the league forever, and you know, he

810
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 2: kind of said, he's like, sometimes you know, you kind

811
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Speaker 2: of hit a ceiling. Sometimes, you know, a coach, the

812
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: voice kind of wears out, you know, you know, the

813
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: voice wears out its impact. Tom Thibodeau, of course, after

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Speaker 2: five years with the New York Knicks, and so just

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Speaker 2: talking to Olden, I don't think that he necessarily thought

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Speaker 2: it would be the worst thing for the Knicks to

817
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Speaker 2: to kind of go in another direction. And so I

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Speaker 2: guess I wasn't that surprised when on Tuesday we found

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Speaker 2: out that Tom Thibodeau was fired. I want to talk

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Speaker 2: about the firing first, but I also think what's become

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Speaker 2: increasingly interesting since the firing is that I assumed, and

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Speaker 2: I would have assumed when I was on with Olden

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Speaker 2: in this time last week, that if they were going

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Speaker 2: to move on from Tom Thibodeau, that they would have

825
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: a darn good option waiting in the wings. Doesn't really

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00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: appear that way. Just kind of seems like that we'll

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Speaker 2: figure it out after we get rid of Tom Thibodeau.

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Speaker 2: But Tom Thibdeau officially out of the job of the

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Speaker 2: New York Knicks, of course, leading them to the Eastern

830
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Speaker 2: Conference Finals for the first time since two thousand and

831
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Speaker 2: He's bounced a couple days later.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this just reeks. If somebody had to

833
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 3: take the fall here, somebody had to take the blame.

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Speaker 3: And I do think there's probably something to the idea

835
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 3: that internally some of the players might have wanted a change.

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Speaker 3: I don't know who, and I'm not sure from what.

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Speaker 3: But we know this about Thibideau. We've heard this for

838
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: multiple stops in his career. He wears on guys. The

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Speaker 3: way he practices it's hard, and you know, he can

840
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: be kind of gruff. He can be a little bit

841
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 3: of rough around the edges, and so guys eventually kind

842
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 3: of of his act. And so it's a possibility that

843
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 3: that plays into it here, that maybe they want a

844
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: fresh face or whatever else. But even though I do

845
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: think he was out coached, I mean, Rick Carlisle was

846
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 3: one of the best we've ever seen, so you know,

847
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's a huge slid on him.

848
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: I do think he was out coached, But I also

849
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: think that Indiana is a better team, and I think

850
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 3: we saw that. I think they have more depth. Yes,

851
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: he played his starters too many minutes. I think by

852
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 3: the time they got to that series, they had played

853
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: a thousand more minutes than had the five for the Pacers,

854
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 3: so they were gonna wear down. And Brunson, of course

855
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 3: was playing. He seemed to be out there all the time.

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Speaker 3: But I think the larger issue is who were you

857
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: going to replace him with? Like it feels like you

858
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: have a succession plan and you have some idea of

859
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 3: where it is that you want to go, and it

860
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: just turns out, no, we're just gonna move on from

861
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: this guy. And that's very Nicks because you see the

862
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: list of names and very few of those names jump

863
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: out and say, well, yeah, he's clearly better than Tom

864
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 3: Thibideau in this case, especially considering what Thibodeau was able

865
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:08,959
Speaker 3: to pull off this past season with that group. So yeah,

866
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 3: I don't know. We're gonna have to see, but whoever

867
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,959
Speaker 3: walks in there is walking in to replace a guy

868
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 3: that did something for that franchise that we haven't seen

869
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 3: in a very long time.

870
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know. And that was I think

871
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: kind of Olden's point last week, and I certainly don't

872
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: want to speak for him, but basically, if you bring

873
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: him back, and I think in some ways I agreed

874
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 2: with it in real time, is that if you bring

875
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: him back. Basically, the the complaints about the rotations and

876
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 2: the this and the that, like and I vividly, I

877
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: vividly remember asking Old in this exact question, is top THIBODEA.

878
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: First of all, he's way older than I thought he was.

879
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: He's sixty seven years old. And I said to Old,

880
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: and I said, if you bring this guy back, like

881
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: there's no one that can like get to this guy

882
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: and say, like, hey man, maybe instead of playing all

883
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 2: these guys, you know, like like, is there somebody in

884
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: the organization that can get to him and say, like,

885
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 2: you don't have to play all of these guys all

886
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 2: of these minutes. And he basically said, you know, can't

887
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: teach an old dog new tricks. I mean, it just

888
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: it is what it is. I mean, you go through

889
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: the playoff minutes, Jalen Bruns had played almost thirty eight

890
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: minutes a game. Og Nanobi played thirty nine minutes a game.

891
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 2: Mckel Bridges played thirty nine minutes a game. Josh Hart

892
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: played thirty five minutes a game, Karl Anthony Town's played

893
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: thirty five minutes a game. And then outside of that,

894
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: you know, outside of those five nobody played more than

895
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: twenty one minutes a game, and so they were basically

896
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 2: playing seven players in the playoffs, really six because Miles

897
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: McBride really didn't get a ton of run as the

898
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: series went on, and you know, and that was basically

899
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: the argument is, it's going to be the exact same

900
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: thing it's been two years, the last two years, where

901
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: really your star players run out of gas later in

902
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: the playoffs. And it's funny because I don't even know that.

903
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 2: I feel like the Knicks guys ran out of gas.

904
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 2: I just think they quite literally into a better team

905
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: regardless of what the you know, the seting going into

906
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: these playoffs would would lead you to indicate. So, like

907
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 2: I said, I don't think I was as surprised or

908
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 2: maybe upset. It felt like most of the media discourse

909
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 2: was it's crazy, how could you do this? I don't

910
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: know that I felt that way. With that said, though,

911
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: I did assume that once that move was made, or

912
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: even very likely even before the move was made, that

913
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: there was a clear guy waiting in the wings for

914
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: that job, and I think everybody had kind of the

915
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: same group of guys in mind when the job opened.

916
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: Mike Malone is obviously a guy that's available. Jay Wright,

917
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: because of his ties to most of that roster, was

918
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 2: a a name that got thrown about. I will readily

919
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: admit as a Yukon fan who went through the Dan

920
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 2: Hurley Lakers stuff last year, I thought, could Dan Hurley

921
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: be a factor? Well, Dan Hurley, you know, a day later,

922
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: basically said I'm not interested in pursuing NBA jobs. When

923
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: he was asked about it today, turned it down, and

924
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: so I not turn it down, but basically said he

925
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: had no interest. And so I just bring it up

926
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 2: because I guess there's now some increasing buzz of like

927
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: could Jason Kid want to try to get in the

928
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: mix for the job. But it just it doesn't for

929
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: a team that's coming off the Eastern Conference Finals run.

930
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson is twenty nine years old, right in the

931
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: peak of his powers. It doesn't seem like there's this

932
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: long line of guys that are waiting to get it.

933
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 2: And frankly, there just might not be that a plus

934
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 2: plus candidate that when you fire a guy coming out

935
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: of the Eastern Conference Finals you would expect to get Yeah.

936
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 3: And so why make the move now, Like what are

937
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 3: you accomplishing with it? You're not going to run it back.

938
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: But if you get worse, then what have you really

939
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: accomplished here? You're either going to go for an assistant

940
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 3: with some with one of these clubs. It's just what

941
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: it looks like it might end up being. I mean,

942
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 3: is Jason Kidd a giant like victory over Tom Thibodeau,

943
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: I wouldn't necessarily say that. And then you see Taylor Jenkins,

944
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 3: well he was just kicked out of Memphis. Mike Malone

945
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 3: I think is the obvious, like, well, yeah, I mean

946
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 3: he's won a championship in Denver, he's got a pedigree. Obviously,

947
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 3: he knows how to win, he knows how to maximize

948
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 3: his talent. But you know, outside of that, none of

949
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 3: these other names just haveaged. I mean, I saw Darvin

950
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 3: ham was, you know, in that list. I saw Steve

951
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 3: Nash was in that list. It was like, does Lebron

952
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 3: know this, because yeah, I'm gonna have to replace another

953
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 3: podcast host. I figured if he was going to replace

954
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 3: a podcast host, he would have made him a Lakers

955
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 3: coach first and kick JJ Riddick to the curve. Maybe

956
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 3: ESPN could pick him back up since they're gonna drop

957
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 3: their guys. But yeah, like, I don't know. I just

958
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 3: you talk about there not being the A plus candidate,

959
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 3: then I mean, I feel like this move was kind

960
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: of made half cocked, like it just was not this

961
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 3: thing was not fully thought out exactly. It was just

962
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 3: it feels like an emotional reaction to getting beat by

963
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: a team that you didn't think was better than you,

964
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 3: that was and was able to play their style more

965
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 3: often you talk about him not running out of gas.

966
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 3: The only reason I would disagree is because Rick Carlisle

967
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 3: knows that his team is best off of turnovers and

968
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 3: on the run, like when they can speed you up

969
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 3: from a pace standpoint, turn you over, score back. On

970
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 3: the other side, they're not trying to run the shot

971
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 3: clock down. They are trying to move both on offense

972
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: and defense. And I think they ran the Knicks to

973
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 3: death in that series, and the Knicks did run out

974
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 3: of gas. I don't know that it would have changed,

975
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 3: but I do think that it required. I don't think

976
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 3: there's any real coincidence that Mitchell Robinson was super effective

977
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 3: late in that series, because you know that dude had

978
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 3: been injured for a while. He came in. He does

979
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: a lot of the blue collar stuff anyway, that's where

980
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: he's going to be valuable to you. But he had

981
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 3: a lot fresher legs than anybody else out there, and

982
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: he had not been just run down by that pacer

983
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 3: stam And that again is a credit to what Indiana did,

984
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 3: and Thibodeau didn't really have an adjustment to it. But

985
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 3: I think the bigger thing there is I don't know

986
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 3: that the roster was there that he could have made

987
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 3: the adjustment that would have changed it. So I like

988
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 3: Thibodeaux always finds a way to get, you know, to

989
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: get the boot, because he does wear on people, he

990
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 3: wears on front offices, he wears on players, but he

991
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 3: also seems to win almost everywhere he goes. Oh yeah,

992
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 3: So I don't know what the Knicks are gonna do

993
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 3: from here, but this doesn't look great for them because

994
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 3: it doesn't seem like that job is quite as sought

995
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 3: after as maybe you would have thought. Like this kind

996
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: of feels does it kind of feel Kentucky ish? H

997
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 3: Does it kind of feel like cal leaving? And who's

998
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 3: gonna come? Is gonna be this guy's gonna be? This

999
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 3: Guy's gonna be this guy? And it turns out to

1000
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: be Pope, Like there's and and Pope did a fine job,

1001
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, but like sometimes you think your

1002
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 3: job is better than it is. The Knicks job should

1003
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 3: be pretty good. But here's the thing. You go to

1004
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: work for James Dolan. How good can that possibly be?

1005
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 2: Well, and I'll say this too, is I'm one that

1006
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: you know I hear all the time. Oh, like if

1007
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 2: there's a weird firing, like, oh, why would someone want

1008
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: to go there after that happen? And it's like, well,

1009
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: there's only thirty of these jobs, like and whatever. I

1010
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 2: do think there is something to that though, And again

1011
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 2: I think there's something where Again, if the Knicks have

1012
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: been back channeling with Mike Malone for weeks and oh

1013
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 2: if we lose it before the finals, you're the guy.

1014
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 2: That's a lot different than seeing them fire Tom Thibodeau

1015
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 2: without a real plan and then them coming to you.

1016
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 2: And again I listen, I don't want to speak for

1017
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: Mike Malone. I certainly don't know them, but like you know,

1018
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: I think you would probably take the job if he

1019
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: was offered. But it's like, you know, do you want

1020
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 2: to go there? And then do you want to go

1021
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: to a place that just fired a dude coming off

1022
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: in Eastern Conference finals. So I think sometimes those conversations

1023
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 2: are overrated, but I think that in this case there's

1024
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 2: probably something to it. Like listen, eventually they're going to

1025
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: get a head coach, you know what. It actually sort

1026
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: of reminds me of j Martin, And it's not totally

1027
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 2: apples to apples, because they they made a higher internally,

1028
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: but it was like the Cowboys when they fired Mike McCarthy,

1029
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: and it was like, well, they waited, they they screwed

1030
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: you know, they screwed it up so bad where they

1031
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: waited so long, But they must they must have a plan, right, Oh,

1032
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: no they don't. And now after basically all the good

1033
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: candidates are gone or are not interested, they just hire

1034
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: them dude internally. And so I don't think they're going

1035
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 2: to hire somebody internally. But that's what it kind of

1036
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: reminds me of, is if I remember the Cowboys stuff correctly,

1037
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 2: it was like, this is such a disaster, they have

1038
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: to have a plan that we don't know about, and

1039
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 2: it's like, no, they don't have a plan. They just whatever,

1040
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 2: And then they ended up with Shottenheimer. Does that seem

1041
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 2: like a fair analogy.

1042
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think there's something to that. I

1043
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 3: think that that makes sense. I think that I don't know.

1044
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 3: I think that there's another thing, which we talked about

1045
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 3: this a few weeks ago. Maybe the Knicks were getting

1046
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 3: too much credit because it was New York that maybe

1047
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 3: they weren't quite as good. The argument that they had

1048
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 3: the best starting five in the league was just not accurate.

1049
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 3: And I don't know why that argument was ever made.

1050
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 3: But is it possible that the Knicks front office thinks

1051
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 3: they're better than they actually are?

1052
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1053
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 3: Is it possible that they bought their own hype as well,

1054
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 3: and they got exposed by the Pacers and caught with

1055
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: their pants down. They're just like, well, I mean, it

1056
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 3: had to have been the coach's fall, right, and it

1057
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 3: wasn't like I mean, I do think that Thibodeau again,

1058
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 3: I do think that he got out coached. But I

1059
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 3: don't think he was the biggest glaring error in that series.

1060
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 3: I mean, all the turnovers, he wasn't turning the ball over.

1061
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 3: What was happening in the last couple of minutes of

1062
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 3: those games when the Pacers were making plays that the

1063
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 3: Knicks couldn't answer. I mean those weren't on him. Brunson

1064
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: taking that three and missing it deep late in that

1065
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 3: game when there was still time to potentially get a

1066
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 3: better shot or get somebody else open. That's not on

1067
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 3: Thibdeaux either. It's not that the coach can escape all blame,

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Speaker 3: but to act like the blame pie deserves to be

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00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: at his feet. It's almost like we want to wash

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00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 3: our hands this and make it look like it's somebody

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00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 3: else's fault so that we can save some face, when

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00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 3: ultimately it's like, look, a lot of good teams lose.

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00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 3: I mean, the Bills. The Bills don't fire Sean McDermott,

1074
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 3: much to our consternation, seeming a year after year they

1075
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 3: continue to run that thing back. If Sean McDermott can

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00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 3: keep his can keep keep keeping on even though he's

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00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 3: never gotten gotten them to a super Bowl or anything else,

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00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 3: I mean, what's the difference At this point, Thibodeaux has

1079
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 3: done this in multiple places. He wins everywhere he goes.

1080
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 3: You'd better at least know where you're going after the fact.

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00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 3: And then when it plays out in public where guys

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00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 3: are like, nope, not interested, Nope, I have no interest

1083
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 3: in pro jobs and all this it kind of makes

1084
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 3: you look. Yep, it's just a bad look. Optics are

1085
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 3: not good for the Knicks when they're being turned down,

1086
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: even if it's sort of indirect where guys are like, Nope,

1087
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 3: I'm happy where I am. Any open positions, I'm not

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00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 3: interested because we know they're talking about the Knicks.

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00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 2: It is an interesting scenario. Nicks again seemingly have no

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00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 2: real play in which I guess just like I said,

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00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: I wasn't surprised that they made the move, but I

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00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: didn't think they'd make the move like without having a

1093
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 2: clear you know, next guy doesn't feel that it feels

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00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 2: that way. And again I think to your point, jmart

1095
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: I think everybody in that building may have overvalued just

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Speaker 2: how good that job is, or at least just how

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Speaker 2: desired it is. Fox Sports Radio aeron Torres Jason Martin

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Speaker 2: broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Did you

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Speaker 3: Coming up.

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00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 2: Switch gears to the WNBA, and I think we got

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00:55:55,360 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 2: definitive proof this weekend that Angel Reese definitely not the

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00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: superstar that some people are trying to claim she is.

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Speaker 2: We'll discuss next Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back everybody. Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio eriturus Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio Studios. Got a lot of takes on the WNBA.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna do them in just one moment before we do.

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00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 2: The news desk to Sega, what is trending well?

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00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 6: Now the loss for the Colorado Rockies. It is a

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00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 6: final Mets win at Colorado.

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00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: Just pre record that.

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00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, we suld live. It's just running on a loop.

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00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 6: Eight to one is tonight's final. Colorado's record twelve and

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Speaker 6: fifty two.

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00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 2: Last night.

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Speaker 6: Francisco Lindor, the Mets shortstop, did not start broke in toe,

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00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 6: but he came on his pinchhitter and had the game

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00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 6: winning pinchhit. On Friday, he started three hits for him tonight,

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Speaker 6: Mets win again. They're forty one and twenty four. Seattle

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00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 6: has lost four in a row. They're losing tonight eight

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00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,399
Speaker 6: five and Anaheim Angels lead.

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00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 7: In the top of the eighth.

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00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 6: Cal Rale of the Mariners did hit his twenty fifth

1133
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 6: home that leads the major leagues, and the Orioles have

1134
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 6: a six to four lead over the A's. In the

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00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 6: top of the seventh, Luis Severino was the a starter.

1136
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 6: He is so good on the road, era under one.

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00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 6: At the quote home games in Sacramento, his ERA is

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00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 6: over seven and yes, he was the starter tonight and

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00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 6: they are now trailing after the early lead against Baltimore

1140
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 6: on Fox TV for most of the country. Tonight was

1141
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 6: the Boston win at Yankee Stadium ten to seven over

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00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 6: New York. Trevor Story three hits, five RBIs Milwaukee homand

1143
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 6: in the ninth to beat San Diego. San Francisco homer

1144
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 6: in the ninth to beat Atlanta Cardinals scored in the

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00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 6: ninth to ed the Dodgers. It was Pittsburgh two to

1146
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 6: one over Philadelphia Phillies. First baseman Bryce Harper went on

1147
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 6: the injured list with wrist inflammation. US men's soccer lost

1148
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 6: its exhibition against Turkey two to one in Connecticut. The

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00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 6: Americans had scored in the opening minute. The US next

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00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 6: plays in Nashville on Tuesday against Switzerland. Then it'll host

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00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 6: the Gold Cup tournament this month, which will be on

1152
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 6: Fox and FS one. The record for the new US

1153
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 6: soccer coach is now five and four. The Americans will

1154
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Speaker 6: be co hosting the World Cup in a year. Kentucky

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00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 6: Derby winner Sovereignty took the Belmont Stakes, beating runner up Journalism.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 6: Sovereignty the first horse to win the derby, skip the

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Speaker 6: Breakness and then win the Belmont. The race was held

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Speaker 6: at Saratoga. Like last year. Belmont on Long Island is

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00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 6: being renovated, so the race was mile and a quarter

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00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 6: along instead of mile and a half. Coco Goff won

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00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 6: the French Open in three sets. Three WNBA games. Tonight

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00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 6: wins for Seattle, Golden State, and Indiana won at Chicago

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00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 6: seventy nine to fifty two. Caitlin Clark still out with

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00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 6: a string quad Angel rees of Chicago four points twelve rebounds,

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00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 6: and we have an update from UFC three six teams tonight.

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Speaker 6: Kayla Harrison has won was an Olympic gold medalist. She's

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00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 6: defeated champion Juliana Pana by submission, and now the men's

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Speaker 6: bantamweight championship is coming up back to you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Steve Disager to saga, we'll be

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00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 2: back in just a few minutes here. Well, let's talk

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00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: about it, Angel Reese. So first off, forget forget the

1173
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 2: stat line. Okay, but we have been sold this bill

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00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 2: of goods dating back to dating back to the college days.

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00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 2: But certainly all of last year we talked about it.

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00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: I think we talked about it. We might not have Jason.

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Speaker 2: A few weeks ago, Kathy Engelbert, the league commissioner, put

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00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: out a She did an interview, but it was basically

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00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 2: like a press release where she talked about, oh, the

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00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: rookie class and but but she basically gave herself credit

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00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: for the growth of the league. Anyway, I bring it

1182
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 2: up because we have been sold this bill of goods

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00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: that Angel Reese and Caitlyn Clark, this this generation's magic

1184
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 2: and Bird, Bird and magic, magic and Bird Caitlin and

1185
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 2: Angel Angel and Caitlin. Well, I bring it up because

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00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 2: I think we got pretty definitive proof over the last

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00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: couple of days that that is not the case, and

1188
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 2: not even looking at the stat line's case. So this

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00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 2: story caught my attention. Indiana Fever Chicago Sky again, they're

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Speaker 2: supposed to be the new age Celtics and Lakers, even

1191
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: though the Skies think whatever, but they obviously played an

1192
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 2: opening day that was the flagrant foul that launched a

1193
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 2: thousand takes. They returned the game this evening in Chicago,

1194
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: and unfortunately there was no Caitlin Clark. She's at with

1195
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: the injury. But how about this, Jason. By the time

1196
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: the game was played, get in price was three dollars

1197
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 2: to watch the Indiana Fever minus Caitlin Clark against the

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01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 2: Chicago Sky with Angel Ree. I'm sorry. That is proof

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Speaker 2: to me that Angel Rees not only is not the

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01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 2: basketball player that we've been four that we've been told

1201
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 2: she is, she ain't the box office straw that Caitland

1202
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 2: Clark is either, Because it was a three dollars get

1203
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 2: in price in Chicago, and uh ticket price is plummeted

1204
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 2: by more than tickets plummeted by like seventy percent. Within

1205
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 2: a week of Caitlin Clark's injury, it was down to

1206
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: three dollars to get into the arena this evening.

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01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 3: Yes, Angel Reese is not a star. Angel Reese is

1208
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 3: a foil Outside of Caitlin Clark. There's nothing there, Like

1209
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 3: the only reason that Angel Reese has talked about is

1210
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 3: juxtaposed with Caitlin Clark when she's on the other side.

1211
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 3: There's interest there because there's vitry all there, because there's

1212
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 3: history there, because there's a storyline there. If it's Angel

1213
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 3: Reefs against anyone else, it doesn't matter. And if it's

1214
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 3: Angel Reefs against Kaitlin Clark's team, but Kaitlin Clark is

1215
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 3: not on the floor, it also doesn't matter. This is

1216
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 3: and I said this to you a couple of days ago.

1217
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 3: I said, look, Angel Reese is Dylan Brooks and Caitlin

1218
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 3: Clark is Steph Curry or Lebron whoever it is that

1219
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 3: Dylan Brooks was trying to ear at that point in time.

1220
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 3: You don't care about Dylan Brooks. You only care about

1221
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 3: Dylan Brooks in juxtaposition with one of those other guys

1222
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 3: that he's kind of gotten into it with. And that's

1223
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 3: what it is. Like. You're not paying to see Angel Reese,

1224
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 3: whether it's four points and twelve rebounds or not. You know,

1225
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 3: sometimes it's more than that. But Angel Reese is the

1226
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 3: one that came out and said it's not just her,

1227
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 3: I'm a star too, and that you guys better understand that. No,

1228
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Speaker 3: we'd better not understand that, Angel, because it's not true.

1229
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 3: And we knew it wasn't true when you said it,

1230
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 3: and it revealed a lot about you in that moment,

1231
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 3: because that really bothers you, and it really bothers this league.

1232
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 3: But I said this last week when I was in

1233
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 3: for Bernie Air and I said, I'm gonna lead off

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01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 3: with the WNBA, and I was talking about Clark's Clark

1235
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Speaker 3: being out, and I said, I figure a lot of

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01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 3: you are kind of stunned that I'm leading off of

1237
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 3: the WNBA because you probably didn't realize the WNBA was

1238
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 3: still an act. And that's it. Like you can continue

1239
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 3: to try and you know, push this under the rug

1240
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 3: like it's not a thing, but it is a thing.

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Speaker 3: You don't have a league. You have one player. I'm

1242
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 3: not saying there's not other talented women. I'm saying none

1243
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 3: of them matter when it comes to a large swath

1244
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 3: of the viewing audience, and certainly no casual fans are

1245
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 3: tuning in to see anything outside of Caitlyn Clark. The

1246
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,959
Speaker 3: only reason that the w that women's basketball was talked

1247
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 3: about at all last week is because Caitlyn Clark was

1248
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 3: watching the Pacers eliminate the Knicks, and they kept cutting

1249
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 3: over to her during the game because she was behind

1250
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 3: the bench cheering them on in the same building. Right,

1251
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 3: So that's your problem. If you're the WNBA. You can

1252
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 3: continue to try to say what you want, and you

1253
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 3: can continue to try and let this thing continue to build.

1254
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 3: But without her, there is nothing to talk about. During

1255
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 3: Game one of the NBA Finals, they showed here's their

1256
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 3: upcoming television schedule, and they talked about Game two, of course,

1257
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 3: but then they said WNBA Action on Saturday, and they

1258
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 3: had a screen with two women on it, one from

1259
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 3: whichever team it was and one from the other one.

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01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 3: I can't I've never laid eyes on either one of

1261
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 3: these women before. I could not pick them out of

1262
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 3: a lineup if you showed me a photo when there

1263
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 3: was only one person standing there. I have no idea

1264
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 3: who they are. I didn't even know when the two

1265
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 3: teams showed up. I was just like, I'm not even here.

1266
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 3: What the mascots of these teams are, I'm not sure

1267
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 3: what they're called. I know these cities, and that's about it.

1268
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 3: Like this has exposed the WNBA for what it is.

1269
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 3: It is. It is a league with a unicorn in it,

1270
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 3: where you pay to see the unicorn. You can continue

1271
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 3: to try and say that the unicorn is not special

1272
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 3: and that all the regular horses that have been there

1273
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 3: forever are just as big a draw, but we all

1274
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 3: know why the circus has sold out. It's sold out

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01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 3: to see the unicorn. It's not for everything else. And

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01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 3: so I don't think that there's even an argument to

1277
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 3: be made anymore. All of the commentary and the discourse

1278
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 3: throughout this season, which had barely even started, and every

1279
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 3: take that was out there that was so bad and

1280
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 3: so ill informed, and then you know, to the extent

1281
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 3: of like whatever the hell that Ryan Clark, Robert Griffin

1282
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 3: the third thing was, and all of this other stuff,

1283
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 3: it's just like what are we doing here? And Cheryl

1284
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 3: swoops and all this is just do you guys not

1285
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 3: realize that we all have functioning eye sockets and we

1286
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 3: saw this, like we know exactly what was going on.

1287
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 3: We understand what we are seeing here. Stop telling us

1288
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 3: that our eyes don't work. We know who the star

1289
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 3: is here. You can tell us that it's not that

1290
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 3: not that way, but we all know exactly what it is.

1291
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 2: It's interesting to observe. And uh yeah, no, I mean listen,

1292
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: I think we all saw it to where last fall

1293
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: it would have been when Caitlin Clark and the Fever

1294
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 2: got eliminated from the whatever first second round of the

1295
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 2: playoffs and just no one talked it is. It is

1296
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 2: like amazing to me that she that there is so

1297
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 2: much interest in her and that there is so little

1298
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 2: interest in everybody else. And again, I was gonna reference

1299
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 2: the WNBA finals. It was like the Caitlyn Clark's team

1300
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 2: lost and it just felt like the season was over.

1301
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 2: And by the way, and I know you know this,

1302
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 2: but I think that's how pretty much most of the

1303
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 2: girls in the league like it is. Hey, you know,

1304
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 2: we got our own league over here. We don't need

1305
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 2: you fans, blah blah blah blah whatever. But yeah, it

1306
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 2: is amazing to me how little interest there is. You know, again,

1307
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 2: we reference that show on ESPN at ten o'clock Eastern time,

1308
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 2: and you know whatever, I don't have as much of

1309
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 2: a problem with it as most people. I don't think

1310
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 2: it's the best sports talk that you can find, but

1311
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 2: I have noticed a complete lack of interest in even

1312
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 2: talking about the WNBA since Kitlyn Clark's been injured. I

1313
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 2: want to switch gears. I want to ask you a

1314
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 2: question about Andrew Reese. I was thinking about this. I

1315
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 2: don't know if I ever remember a player, and maybe

1316
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 2: it's because she was so overhyped to come in, but

1317
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 2: it is interesting to me that like in maybe like

1318
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,479
Speaker 2: eight months, six months whatever, basically back end of last year,

1319
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 2: it was still you know, she's Caitlyn Clark's rival, and

1320
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 2: she's got this double double record that no one cared

1321
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 2: about until they tried to make it a thing. I

1322
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 2: bring it up because now every time I go on

1323
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 2: social media and something Angel Reese is involved, most of

1324
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 2: it is just miss layups, and like, I'm not trying

1325
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 2: to be a jerk about this, but One America is

1326
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 2: having a reckoning where it's like we don't have to

1327
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 2: pretend that Angel Reese is a superstar anymore, and we

1328
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 2: kind of led the segment with that. I don't know

1329
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 2: that I ever remember, and maybe there's no example of

1330
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 2: this because we've never over hyped someone to the degree

1331
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 2: that we have of Angel Reese. But it feels like

1332
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 2: she went from like, oh my goodness, she is a

1333
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 2: superstar are to I feel like she's kind of a

1334
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 2: laughing stock now, Like I feel like people actively are

1335
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 2: basically people are too, as much as you can say

1336
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 2: they're tuning into sky games. Maybe that's not the right

1337
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 2: way to put it, but like it feels like people

1338
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 2: are going out of their way to just tune in

1339
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 2: to see like how bad the mislayups are gonna be

1340
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 2: and how many offensive you. I don't know if I

1341
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 2: don't know that I've ever seen a person go from,

1342
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 2: like I said, someone that we're told as a star

1343
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 2: to basically a complete you know, I don't want to

1344
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 2: be mean, but like punching bag, laughing stock, whatever you

1345
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 2: want to use. Quicker than we have with Angel Reese

1346
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 2: these last couple months.

1347
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 3: Well that's because she continued to try and tell us

1348
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 3: how special she was when we all had paid attention

1349
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 3: and knew otherwise, Like what she does, there's talent there, right,

1350
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 3: Like I mean, there is talent to be able to

1351
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 3: rebound the basketball and play that way, to be the

1352
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 3: Draymond Green type or whatever like that. But like I

1353
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 3: will say, if you can't make a you should probably

1354
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 3: not be one talking very often, Like you can let

1355
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 3: other people talk about the blue collar stuff that you do.

1356
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 3: But I mean, man, I don't want to be mean either,

1357
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 3: but like you're in the WNBA, you really should be

1358
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 3: able to make, you know, fifty percent of your layups.

1359
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 3: And there are way too many clips that are not

1360
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 3: the same clip of her missing just bunny stuff, Like

1361
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 3: it's it's kind of incredible, Like I recall her being

1362
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 3: a little better at LSU, but that's only because I

1363
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 3: saw her play like two games, both of which were

1364
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 3: against Caitlin Clark. So maybe this is just what it is.

1365
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 3: She's just offensively, she is nothing whatsoever, Like she has

1366
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,719
Speaker 3: no business being anywhere near the basketball on the offensive

1367
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 3: side of the floor, and so you just let her

1368
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 3: do everything else. But those games where she has like

1369
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 3: a double double, I'm still trying to figure out how

1370
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 3: those even happened, or like the games where she actually

1371
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 3: had double digit points, it's like how, like how does

1372
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 3: she make a free thrower? She can't make a layout.

1373
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 2: She's good offensive her, I'll give her credit, Yeah, good

1374
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 2: for her when well, when you miss ten shots and

1375
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,759
Speaker 2: you get all right rebounds, you're gonna make a couple eventually.

1376
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.

1377
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 3: That's how you got That's right, that's right. But I

1378
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:13,759
Speaker 3: at the larger point, though, it's just let's let's stop.

1379
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 3: Let's everybody out there that wanted to try and create

1380
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 3: some kind of a narrative that Caitlin Clark is overhyped

1381
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 3: and all this. Dude, she's the only hype you got. Like,

1382
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 3: outside of that, that league ceases to exist completely. It's

1383
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 3: just it just is what it is. Like you you

1384
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 3: eventually just have to be okay with the fact that

1385
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 3: this is your league. Either you accept that or you

1386
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 3: can go ahead and continue to squander it and eventually

1387
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 3: you're not going to have a league at all.

1388
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 2: Andel Rees four points tonight the Indiana Fever get the seventh.

1389
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 2: How about this Jamart seventy nine to fifty two win, Like,

1390
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 2: come on, man, hey, I'm not trying to poke it. WNBA.

1391
01:10:55,080 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 2: Fifty two points in a professional basketball game. Not good.

1392
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 2: Four points on two of seven shooting for Angel Reese,

1393
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 2: by the way, for people scoring at home, Angel Reese,

1394
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 2: the Chicago Sky's fourth leading scorer on a team that

1395
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 2: is third to last in the standings in the WNBA.

1396
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio Aertors, Jason Martin. We're taking you till

1397
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 2: two am Eastern. We'll come back. Steve de Sager will

1398
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 2: get you caught up on everything that you missed from

1399
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Speaker 2: throughout the day in sports. That's next. Fox Sports Radio,

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01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody. Fox Sports Radio, Aer Tors Jason Martin,

1401
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 2: broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios, as we

1402
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 2: do every single show around this time. Let's get over

1403
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,600
Speaker 2: the news desk. Steve de Sager, get us caught up

1404
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 2: on everything we missed from throughout the day.

1405
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 6: We got basketball to get to. But it is a

1406
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 6: final in Anaheim. The Mariners have lost their fifth in

1407
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 6: a row Angels eight to six. But cal Rawley, who

1408
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 6: hit a three run homer in the first, hit a

1409
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 6: solo shot in the ninth off Kenley Jansen, who did

1410
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 6: get the save. Cal Rawley, Seattle's catcher, has twenty six

1411
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 6: home runs this season now that leads the major leagues.

1412
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 7: Mets did win.

1413
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 6: At Colorado, and the other late game is still going

1414
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 6: with Baltimore up sevent to four at the A's in

1415
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 6: the bottom of the eighth. As for the NBA Finals,

1416
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 6: Game two is Sunday, Indiana at Oklahoma City. The Pacers

1417
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 6: course came back to win the opener. In fact, in

1418
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 6: Game one, the league said the Pacers became the first

1419
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 6: team in over a decade to win a finals game

1420
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 6: without a single twenty point score. However, when they have

1421
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 6: six different players score double digits, they are undefeated ten

1422
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 6: to zero so far in this postseason. This Pacers franchise

1423
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 6: has won the championship before, but they were ABA titles

1424
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 6: in nineteen seventy, seventy two and seventy three, and then

1425
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 6: after the ABA folded, they were part of the merger

1426
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 6: with the NBA Spurs, etc. In nineteen seventy six. Indiana's

1427
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 6: in the finals for the first time since two thousand

1428
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 6: and I Will Tyrese Haliburton was born in two thousand.

1429
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 6: The Oklahoma City Thunder you'd think would be aheaded series

1430
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 6: at this point against Eastern Conference teams. During the season,

1431
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 6: they went twenty nine to one. Oksee in the regular

1432
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 6: season at home was thirty six and six. They had

1433
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 6: the home lead in the opener. In fact, at home

1434
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 6: in these playoffs they were eight to one and their

1435
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 6: point differential was a plus two hundred and twenty one

1436
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 6: at home this postseason, best ever through nine games, and

1437
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 6: still Indiana came back to take Game one. Can a

1438
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 6: four seed win the title? Indiana is a four seed.

1439
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 6: Only one team lower than a three seed has won

1440
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 6: the NBA Championship in the last forty plus years since

1441
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 6: they went to the current playoff format, and that was

1442
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 6: the Houston Rockets in nineteen ninety six. And interesting note

1443
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 6: that the Pacers and the Thunder home arenas are less

1444
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 6: than seven hundred air miles apart, shortest distance between the

1445
01:13:56,160 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 6: two teams arenas in the finals since nineteen seventy one,

1446
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 6: when it was Milwaukee and Kareem against the Baltimore Bullets.

1447
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 6: But of course we must have all this time off

1448
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 6: Game two, not until Sunday, you know, Case.

1449
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 2: I heard you guys before, I was talking about that.

1450
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 2: It does feel like, I know, I don't really know

1451
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 2: actually why. I mean, it's just why can't it be

1452
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 2: every other day like it's been.

1453
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 7: You used to have Wednesday, Friday, Sunday all the time?

1454
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too much. I mean, at a time when

1455
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,480
Speaker 2: you're struggling for ratings, you're struggling to keep people invested.

1456
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 2: I don't know this is the pathway that I would

1457
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 2: have taken.

1458
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 6: Meanwhile, we've got a Stanley Cup Game three Monday night,

1459
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,679
Speaker 6: Edmonton at Florida. Series tied at one. The last time

1460
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 6: a Canadian team won the Stanley Cup was nineteen ninety three.

1461
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 6: The NHL Awards will be held just before game four.

1462
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:42,919
Speaker 6: We do know the coach of the Year. It's Washington

1463
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 6: Spencer Carberry. He was voted the Jack Adams Award today

1464
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:50,480
Speaker 6: by the NHL Broadcasters Association. We mentioned earlier. The Steelers

1465
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 6: have officially signed quarterback Aaron Rodgers. He passed his physical mandatory.

1466
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 6: Mini camp starts Tuesday. He gets a one year deal,

1467
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 6: reportedly worth ten million dollars incentives. On Sunday, the UFL's

1468
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 6: Conference Finals take place, including on Fox TV DC at

1469
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 6: Saint Louis. The Dome in Saint Louis will be hosting

1470
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 6: the championship game next weekend. Regardless, Golf's US Open is

1471
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 6: next week at Oakmont, Pennsylvania, and we're gonna get the

1472
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 6: College World Series going soon. We've got the Super Regionals

1473
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 6: this weekend, the best of threes and Coastal Carolina goes

1474
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 6: into Auburn and eliminates the Tigers today four to one.

1475
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 6: After at ten inning victory late Friday, the Arizona Wildcats

1476
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 6: state alive, winning at North Carolina today ten to eight.

1477
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 6: Because you see, the tar Heels had taken the Friday

1478
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 6: opener of the best of three eighteen to two against Arizona,

1479
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 6: but the Wildcats are alive. Miami forced to game three today,

1480
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 6: winning at Louisville nine to six. Tonight, Florida State state alive.

1481
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 7: They lost the.

1482
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 6: Opener yesterday, but won three to one at Oregon State.

1483
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 6: UCLA took the opener at the best of three five

1484
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Speaker 6: two over ut San Antonio, Arkansas won its opener against

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01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 6: Tennessee for three. Duke beat Murray State's LSU against West

1486
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 6: Virginia sixteen to nine. LSU Tigers there. As for Major

1487
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 6: League Baseball, Milwaukee beat the Padres four to three on

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01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 6: a solo homer in the bottom of the night. The

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01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 6: Padres had just tied the game in the top of

1490
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 6: the ninth. San Diego blows a chance to tie the

1491
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 6: slumping Dodgers for first place in the NL West. San

1492
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,799
Speaker 6: Diego will be hosting the Dodgers in a series starting Monday.

1493
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 6: The Giants are still one game back, Padres still one back.

1494
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 6: San Francisco won against Atlanta on a two run homer

1495
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 6: bottom of the ninth by Matt Chapman. Giants have won

1496
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 6: four straight six straight losses for the Braves. They started

1497
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 6: the season zero to seven. Remember now in the last

1498
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 6: three weeks, the Braves are four and fourteen and veteran

1499
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 6: reliever Craig Kimbrel was seen on the mound last night.

1500
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,879
Speaker 6: Up from the Miners was designated for assignment today by Atlanta.

1501
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 6: They blew a great start from the Brave starter today,

1502
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 6: Bryce Elder, no decision, eight innings and twelve strikeouts, but

1503
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 6: another l for the team. What is the Dodgers wreck

1504
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 6: in about the last month? The answer is fifteen and seventeen.

1505
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 6: And again they're not only going to San Diego starting Monday,

1506
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 6: then they'll be hosting San Francisco and San Diego after that.

1507
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 6: The Dodgers' offense is the problem this past week. The

1508
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 6: starting rotation has been a problem all season. Saint Louis

1509
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 6: scored late to win two to one over LA Here.

1510
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,799
Speaker 6: A week ago the Fox Game was the Dodger scoring

1511
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 6: eighteen runs to beat the Yankees. Well, in the seven

1512
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 6: games since eighteen runs total for LA, and this has

1513
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 6: been the best hitting team with runners in scoring position,

1514
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 6: over a three hundred batting average as a team in

1515
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 6: those spots, and yet this weekend in Saint Louis one

1516
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 6: for twenty five with runners in scoring position. The only

1517
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,440
Speaker 6: Dodger run today came on a wild pitch on a strikeout.

1518
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 6: The game was scoreless in the eighth. They do have

1519
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 6: one great starter, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, had no decision. He had

1520
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 6: nine strikeouts and six innings. LA pitcher Tony Gonslim, with

1521
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,919
Speaker 6: a sore elbow, goes on the IL. That is the Dodgers'

1522
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 6: tenth starting pitcher listed on the IL. Plus, they have

1523
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 6: seven relievers on the injured list, including Blake trin And

1524
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 6: the Cubs have an offense this year. They had five

1525
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 6: home runs at Detroit today and beat the Tiger six

1526
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,879
Speaker 6: to one. Say A Suzuki with two long balls. Jamison

1527
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 6: Tyan hot on the mounds seven innings. He got the win.

1528
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 6: He's six and three. Phillies first baseman Bryce Harper went

1529
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 6: on the injured list with wrist inflammation. The Phillies have

1530
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 6: lost four straight. They've lost eight of their last nine

1531
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 6: lost at Pittsburgh two to one today, even though Ranger Suarez,

1532
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,759
Speaker 6: who had been four to zher pitched seven good innings.

1533
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 6: Kyle Schwarber hit his twentieth home run, but the offense

1534
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 6: went four for thirty for Philadelphia, and Cincinnati took two

1535
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 6: from Arizona. They completed a Friday suspended game and in

1536
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 6: ten innings it was Red's four to three, and then

1537
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 6: then the regular game thirteen to one. Cincinnati. Gavin Lux

1538
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 6: ex Dodger with a grand Slam Toronto five to four

1539
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,879
Speaker 6: winners at Minnesota. Blue Jays have won four straight Texas

1540
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 6: and Jacob de Grom got a five nothing win at Washington.

1541
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 6: To Grom with seven innings, just two hits allowed, eight strikeouts,

1542
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 6: no walks. He's six and two with an ERA around

1543
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 6: two ten inning wins on the road for Houston and

1544
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 6: Miami and the Fox game tonight. So Aaron Judge go

1545
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 6: oh for four at Yankee Stadium, three strikeouts, his batting

1546
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 6: average down to three ninety. Boston beat the Yankees ten

1547
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 6: to seven.

1548
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Steve Seger. This is Fox Sports Radio,

1549
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday and the Sunday air towards Jason Martin.

1550
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 2: We are broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.

1551
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 2: We'll come back. We got one hour left. We still

1552
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 2: got a lot to discuss Game one thoughts. By the way,

1553
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 2: j Mart, we have not talked about the ambiance or

1554
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 2: lack thereof of these NBA finals. I got a KD

1555
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 2: take two that I need to uh, I gotta get

1556
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 2: I gotta get this off my chest before the end

1557
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 2: of the show. So we are taking up till two

1558
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 2: am Eastern. Plenty left. This is Fox Sports Radio.

1559
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

1560
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 2: Welcome in everybody, our three tours martin Fox Sports Radio.

1561
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 2: We are broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Yes,

1562
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 2: we are live one am Eastern time. We're taking it

1563
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 2: up for another hour two am Eastern. Bernie Fratto will

1564
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 2: take it over for us. Bernie Fratto cannot wait to

1565
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 2: hear what he has to say on a busy weekend sports.

1566
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 2: If you missed any of today's show, can always download

1567
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 2: the podcast. We'll give you the full details here a

1568
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 2: little bit later. But we have already talked a little

1569
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 2: bit about Game one. We've talked about the sagging NBA ratings,

1570
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 2: we talked a little bit about Aaron Rodgers, and another

1571
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 2: forgettable performance from Angel Reese, but still got one hour

1572
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 2: left in the show. Jay Mart, let's circle back to

1573
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 2: where we were at the top of the show. NBA

1574
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:50,799
Speaker 2: Finals are underway, Game one on Thursday night. Back and forth. Okay,

1575
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 2: see doing what they did? Up by as many as

1576
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 2: fifteen points in the second half. By now you know

1577
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 2: what happened. But here is what the final seconds of

1578
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 2: the game sounded like.

1579
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 4: Rebound Indiana, eight seconds to go. The Pacers are not

1580
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 4: gonna call a timeout. Cattle Burton has it with three driving,

1581
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 4: with two pulling up and heading.

1582
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 3: With three tenths of a second to go.

1583
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 4: How many more times can this team do that?

1584
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: So weets baby.

1585
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 2: Indiana Pacers win Game one, final score one to eleven,

1586
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 2: one ten. It was the fourth time in these NBA

1587
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 2: Playoffs that Tyres Haliburton has either hit a game tying

1588
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 2: or go ahead shot with under two seconds to go.

1589
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 2: Indiana Pacers up Gay up one nothing in this game

1590
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 2: in this series. J Mart, I'll let you take it

1591
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 2: wherever you want. In reaction to Game one, I'm gonna.

1592
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 3: Look credit to the Pacers for just continuing to fight

1593
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:59,839
Speaker 3: even though the thing almost got away from them. Several

1594
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 3: times before they finally made that run, got it close

1595
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 3: enough to where they sort of made the Thunder sweat

1596
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 3: a bit. And they've been in this position before, have

1597
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 3: the Thunder and have the Pacers. And that's what Oklahoma

1598
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 3: City said afterwards, like we've been here before, but the

1599
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 3: Pacers have too. And the Pacers have done this now

1600
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 3: multiple times in this playoffs. They did it to the

1601
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 3: Knicks and completely changed the tenor of the series in

1602
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 3: Game one by stealing that first one at MSG and

1603
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 3: it was Haliburton that sent it to overtime. In this case,

1604
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 3: it was Haliburton that won it. He's the one guy

1605
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 3: you didn't want to have the ball in his hand

1606
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 3: to take that shot. They got it to him and

1607
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 3: he was able to get that shot off and that's

1608
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 3: all it took. So now you got to win four

1609
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 3: out of six if you're Oklahoma City, and you know

1610
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 3: at this stage all the pressure is on them tonight

1611
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:54,600
Speaker 3: in Game two and for Indiana, you are in the

1612
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 3: driver's seat like it's right there in your hands. And

1613
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 3: I don't know that you use any of what the

1614
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 3: media set about you as fuel, but nobody gave you

1615
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 3: a chance in this series as I mentioned earlier one

1616
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 3: of the things that I had read and seen all

1617
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 3: week was it's a generational mismatch. And I'm just like,

1618
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 3: please stop saying that there's a thunderfan. Please stop saying that,

1619
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 3: because I think it's ridiculous. First of all, but we're

1620
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 3: not talking about an Oklahoma City Thunder team that's been

1621
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 3: to five straight finals or three of the last five

1622
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 3: NBA finals and they have multiple rings. Like, these guys

1623
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 3: are babies a lot. They're so young. This is their

1624
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 3: first opportunity here. I mean, let's not crown them before

1625
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 3: they actually pulled this off. We saw this happen to

1626
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 3: the Orlando Magic with Shaq and Penny, Like they didn't

1627
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 3: get there and then they never got there again. They

1628
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 3: got there once Nick Anderson missed some free throws, the

1629
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,799
Speaker 3: Rockets stole Game one. They end up sweeping the series,

1630
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 3: and the Magic never sniffed the finals again until Dwight

1631
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 3: Howard against Kobe and Paugasol. So like, let's let the

1632
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:03,440
Speaker 3: games play out. Indiana's really good. They've been underappreciated, under discussed,

1633
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 3: and certainly underrated all year long, and certainly all the

1634
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 3: way through this playoff run. Are people gonna learn or

1635
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 3: are they gonna have to watch Indiana actually win this

1636
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 3: championship to give them credit.

1637
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:19,640
Speaker 2: It's an interesting conversation and it goes back to what

1638
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:23,679
Speaker 2: we said in our one is I just I don't understand.

1639
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 2: I didn't understand either, Like listen, did I pick the

1640
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 2: Thunder to win?

1641
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 7: Yes?

1642
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like I, you know, because the thing is

1643
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 2: too Like with the Thunder, it's like, well, what what

1644
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 2: are what has made them so successful? Well, they're great defensively,

1645
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 2: they got five guys that are all switchable, all athletic,

1646
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 2: all this all that. It's like, well, the Pacers have Halliburton,

1647
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 2: who's you know, six four sixty five Siakam is a

1648
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 2: matchup nightmare. And they got a lot of guys too

1649
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 2: that kind of athletically match up very nicely with with

1650
01:24:56,360 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 2: with okay, see really quick obviously Game two is on

1651
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 2: Sunday night. You know, listen, you know, I feel like

1652
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 2: the analysis we're about to give is really cliche, but

1653
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 2: I'll toss it over to you. Like, I think it's

1654
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 2: hard to see the scenario where the Thunder don't jump

1655
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,680
Speaker 2: out to you know, Thunder at home. I find it

1656
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 2: hard to see the scenario where the Thunder don't jump

1657
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 2: out to an early lead, and I think that they

1658
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 2: are favored. I think they should be favored. Do you

1659
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 2: expect anything other than Thunder respond in Game two on

1660
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 2: Sunday night?

1661
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,639
Speaker 3: No. But the only thing that scares me about that

1662
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 3: is I thought the same thing about the Nixon Game

1663
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 3: two and they came out and the Pacers, you had

1664
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 3: that crazy game by Siakam, beat them and then took

1665
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 3: that thing back to Indiana up to h I don't

1666
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 3: think that will happen. I do think the Thunder are

1667
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 3: likely to get out to a big leading and cruise

1668
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 3: to a victory in this one. But this Pacers team

1669
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 3: is not going to make it easy on them. They're

1670
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 3: gonna come in and I think they're going to come

1671
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 3: in confidently and with a little bit more knowledge under

1672
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 3: their belt because they've seen what Oklahoma City brought and

1673
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 3: how they wanted to play in Game one. What adjustments

1674
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:12,679
Speaker 3: are going to be made by both clubs. But yeah,

1675
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 3: I mean I agree, I think that Oklahoma City will win.

1676
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 3: I think they'll win by double digits. They're favored now,

1677
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 3: I think by ten and a half. The first game

1678
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 3: is nine and a half. It feels like one where

1679
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 3: you have to put the throttle down and go right

1680
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 3: through the finish line and risk crashing into the wall

1681
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,679
Speaker 3: even to make sure that you get all the way home.

1682
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 3: But you know, stranger things have happened in this postseason already,

1683
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 3: So Oklahoma City can't just assume that they're going to

1684
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 3: be able to waltz through this game because Indiana is

1685
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 3: going to make it difficult on them. But I agree,

1686
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,719
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't see a scenario where it changes either,

1687
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 3: but because of what happened to that Knick series, it

1688
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 3: at least gives me some pause.

1689
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 2: I'm looking right now. The Pacers have had a few

1690
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 2: blowout losses in these playoffs, but not many. Ten and

1691
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:01,599
Speaker 2: a half feels like an awful lot really quickly, Jmart,

1692
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 2: because we haven't had a chance to talk about it.

1693
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 3: Something.

1694
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 2: You know, you and I kind of keep a dialogue

1695
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:08,680
Speaker 2: going throughout the week, knowing that we're going to be

1696
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 2: on air here for three hours on Saturday, sometimes more

1697
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 2: depending on you know, different situations and something that you

1698
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 2: and I both picked up on, and we certainly weren't

1699
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 2: the only ones. But the presentation of Game one of

1700
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 2: the NBA Finals, let's do the conversation now because no,

1701
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 2: I'm just my sigh is because it was so abysmal.

1702
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:35,640
Speaker 2: It was bad, and so I'm sure, you know, I

1703
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 2: can't listen to everything that everyone on this network says,

1704
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 2: but I'm sure others have talked about it, but I

1705
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 2: saw people on social media reference it. I think it's

1706
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 2: one hundred percent correct. Putting aside how bad the broadcast

1707
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 2: team is, which we might talk about here in a second,

1708
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 2: the court look like it blew my mind, jmart Is

1709
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 2: that there was nothing about the court that made you

1710
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 2: realize that it was the NBA Finals, right And you know,

1711
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of criticisms of the NBA

1712
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 2: right now, some valid, some not, But this is your

1713
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 2: premier event. This is the event that is you're supposed

1714
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 2: to make feel special, and this is an event that

1715
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 2: in previous years you've made look special. I mean, I

1716
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 2: saw so many people sharing the picture of Staples Center

1717
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 2: in the Kobe Shaq days with the NBA, you know,

1718
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 2: the Larry O'Brian trophy basically taking up the entire court

1719
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,759
Speaker 2: in terms of not the actual Lariobrian, but the Larry

1720
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 2: O'Brian logo, you know, and there wasn't even an NBA

1721
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 2: Finals logo on the court, and it was.

1722
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 3: I was stunned by that, Yeah, stunned by it, especially

1723
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 3: when the CarMax logo was digitally shitted, like because I

1724
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 3: saw it pop on the screen once before a free

1725
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 3: throw and I was just like, you're gonna digitally add CarMax,

1726
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 3: but we can't get the NBA Finals logo on the floor.

1727
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 3: I don't know that I've ever seen that in it.

1728
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 3: Like all the years that I've watched the NBA, one

1729
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 3: of the things that stands out about the finals is

1730
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 3: you've got the finals logo. But when we go back

1731
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 3: to it, the Eastern Conference in Western Conference finals used

1732
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 3: to have stuff on the floor too, sure, and so

1733
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, but it is not

1734
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 3: a good look when you're playing tournament or not your

1735
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 3: playing tournament, But you're what is it what happens at

1736
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 3: the beginning of the season, so that we we mock

1737
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 3: form in season tournament. Yeah, the East they changed, but

1738
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:30,719
Speaker 3: they aren't changing it for the finals. Like this looks

1739
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 3: like any other game being played in January or something

1740
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 3: like that. There's just there's no there's nothing behind it.

1741
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 3: And if you're watching the TV broadcast, except for the

1742
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 3: fact that a few things are tinged in gold, like

1743
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 3: a couple of the numbers are in gold, or a

1744
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 3: couple of the backgrounds are in gold, you wouldn't even

1745
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 3: know that it was different. From that perspective, there was

1746
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 3: nothing about this to make it come across as special

1747
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:57,120
Speaker 3: and that that, to me, is just absolutely a failure

1748
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 3: on all fronts. Like if you're Adam Silver, I would

1749
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 3: be in barre. I would be like, man, before Game two,

1750
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 3: we better have a logo everywhere, because that stood out

1751
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 3: I was looking for, is like, is it on the

1752
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 3: baseline that they have the finals logo next to the

1753
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 3: thunder logo? No, like nothing was there. It's like, this

1754
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 3: is unbelievable.

1755
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really funny. I actually had that thought. Is

1756
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:20,679
Speaker 2: I wonder if the bat signal comes from the league

1757
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 2: office of let's get any literally any logo on the

1758
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 2: court that reflects that it's the NBA Finals. I'll be

1759
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 2: curious if there is something on Sunday night and it

1760
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 2: goes back to what I said, is like, you know, listen,

1761
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 2: I think that I think that some of the criticisms

1762
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 2: of the NBA are justified. I think some of them

1763
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 2: are not. But the one thing that I've kind of

1764
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:45,839
Speaker 2: found through life, Jason, is that, at least in sports,

1765
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 2: is that when something when a product year over year

1766
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 2: is not good, there's usually a reason why, right, Like

1767
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 2: you know, the Cleveland Browns are bad year over year

1768
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 2: over year, year over year over year over year of year,

1769
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 2: and you realize it's not a coincidence, Like Jimmy Haslm's

1770
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 2: kind of a train wreck, doesn't know what he's doing.

1771
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 2: The Knicks forever, James Dolan doesn't know what he's doing.

1772
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 2: They're bad year over year over year. He actually leaves

1773
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 2: for a while to go build the sphere in Vegas.

1774
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 2: He's gone, then they get good. So the point I'm

1775
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 2: trying to make is that sometimes it's not a coincidence

1776
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 2: when things consistently are going the wrong direction or things

1777
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 2: bottom out. And I think this is a metaphor for

1778
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:31,679
Speaker 2: the state of the league, like like it's the little

1779
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 2: things that separate you, that's the little things that get

1780
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:36,799
Speaker 2: fans fired up. And when you can't do the little

1781
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 2: things right, you're certainly not going to get the big

1782
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 2: things right. And so I don't know if I'm explaining

1783
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 2: this the way that I want to or properly, but

1784
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:47,639
Speaker 2: it just like the everything's trending in the wrong direction

1785
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 2: for the NBA, from a ratings press, from this, from that,

1786
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 2: from whatever, and it's like the little things that you

1787
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 2: could do right, that you should do right, that you

1788
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 2: need to you can't even do the little things right.

1789
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 2: And so again, I don't even know if that metaphor

1790
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 2: totally made sense, but it's just it's like it's just

1791
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 2: one of those perfect examples of why the NBA is

1792
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,839
Speaker 2: going in the wrong direction in terms of a consumer product.

1793
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:08,720
Speaker 3: Listen, Like, I mean, we dog on Adam Silver a

1794
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 3: lot on this show. We have done that now for

1795
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 3: probably three or four years at least. I would argue

1796
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:17,799
Speaker 3: maybe we go harder on Adam Silver than any national

1797
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 3: radio show in the country, because most of them probably

1798
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 3: don't talk about them all that much. But the reason

1799
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 3: we do it is because the attention to detail is

1800
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 3: so pathetically bad. It's so lacking in so many respects.

1801
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 3: It's like just the bells and whistles are missing in

1802
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 3: this league. Then we can get to all the we

1803
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 3: can't advertise our stars because we can't move on from

1804
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 3: what was taking place ten years ago, and so now

1805
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 3: we have a finals where we have guys that we

1806
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 3: could market, but we wasted too much time and so

1807
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:50,600
Speaker 3: now we're having to do it in real time and

1808
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 3: it's way too late, and like everything about it, it's

1809
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:55,720
Speaker 3: just bad. And it falls at the feet of the

1810
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 3: commissioner because he's the one that should be getting this

1811
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:00,160
Speaker 3: stuff right. He's the one that needs to be forward thinking.

1812
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 3: He's the one that needs to make sure his league

1813
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 3: is being marketed properly, that he is doing the things

1814
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 3: that matter and not worrying about the things that don't matter.

1815
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 3: All these things are just falling through the cracks, like

1816
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 3: you've given Christmas to the NFL. Everything about this league,

1817
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 3: like it should not be struggling like this. It should

1818
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,800
Speaker 3: not We should not be able to do segments like

1819
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 3: this as often as we can. And it's because Adam

1820
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 3: Silver is just not very good at the job. Not

1821
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 3: that he's a bad guy, and I hate to say

1822
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,679
Speaker 3: that about somebody, but I'm going after the performance here,

1823
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 3: not the performer, Like this is just unacceptable on this level,

1824
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:44,480
Speaker 3: Like you should not be this just kind of lackadaisical

1825
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 3: about the stuff. Like if you're going to buy a

1826
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 3: new car and you buy the top trim as opposed

1827
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 3: to the bottom trim. You're expecting a whole lot of

1828
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:56,719
Speaker 3: bells and whistles. You're expecting all of the added stuff.

1829
01:33:56,720 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 3: You're expecting the air conditioner to blow fragrances at you,

1830
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:02,680
Speaker 3: everything under the sun because you're paying for that premium.

1831
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 3: We're in the NBA Finals and we could not tell

1832
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:08,080
Speaker 3: it except for the fact that we cover the league

1833
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:10,639
Speaker 3: and we know that it's time because we're in June.

1834
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:13,880
Speaker 3: Like the Olympics. For all that you want to say

1835
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 3: negative about the Olympics, those five rings are everywhere. Sure,

1836
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 3: they're in your face everywhere you go every channel. They're

1837
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 3: on the screen, they're on the floor, they're on the mat,

1838
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,679
Speaker 3: they're in the pool, and you can see them through

1839
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:33,720
Speaker 3: the water. Like it's absolutely everywhere. You can't get your

1840
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 3: finals logo or an image of your trophy anywhere on

1841
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:41,720
Speaker 3: your floor. You can't make this thing look like it

1842
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 3: is special. Why would any casual fan tune in and

1843
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 3: think this matters because the league doesn't make it look

1844
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,559
Speaker 3: like it should. It's like, does the league care? Does

1845
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 3: the league think this matters? Or are they hoping this

1846
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 3: goes away because it's Oklahoma city in Indiana, because that's

1847
01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 3: what it looks like to me. I know that's not

1848
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 3: the case, but you're doing absolutely nothing to enhance this product.

1849
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 2: We'll see if it gets any better. Game two of

1850
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 2: the NBA Finals Sunday night. Will make our picks in

1851
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 2: the final segment, and I will say just this really quick,

1852
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 2: as we put a bow on the segment, I am

1853
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 2: genuinely curious if there is a change of some degree.

1854
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:19,880
Speaker 2: And if there is, we know it came from the

1855
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 2: bat signal from the Commissioner's office. And if that happens, well,

1856
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 2: guess what, that's probably not a great sign to begin

1857
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:27,840
Speaker 2: with the fact that it took the bat signal to

1858
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 2: get us there. So Fox Sports Radio aeron Torres Jason Martin,

1859
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:33,919
Speaker 2: we are broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios,

1860
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 2: should mention, but be sure to check out the Fox

1861
01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:38,479
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1862
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1863
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1864
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:47,320
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1865
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:49,400
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1866
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:52,639
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1867
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 2: videos on YouTube. We'll come back, j mart when we do.

1868
01:35:57,080 --> 01:36:01,879
Speaker 2: A star is on the trade block, but should anybody

1869
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 2: want them? Should anybody want them? We'll discuss that next

1870
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:10,679
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Ready, Welcome back everybody. Fox Sports Radio Aaron Torres,

1871
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:13,719
Speaker 2: Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.

1872
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 2: Take it till two am Eastern Time. Bernie Freddo of

1873
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 2: The Bernie Freddo Show follows us. By the way, J

1874
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 2: mart one quick thing before we get to the topic

1875
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 2: that I teased, I kind of just pulled up, you know,

1876
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 2: NBA ratings, you know, from previous finals, just to kind

1877
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 2: of look at stuff. It is pretty interesting that near

1878
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 2: universally ratings actually drop after game one. So like game

1879
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 2: one to game two is there's usually a dip. So

1880
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 2: he grants to the NBA lowest rated finals outside of

1881
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 2: the two COVID finals ever in the Nielsen ratings, and

1882
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 2: as we head to game two, those are very likely

1883
01:36:54,520 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 2: to dip again in the coming in the next few days.

1884
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 2: Think out, yeah, I.

1885
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 3: Mean that's not a You got to hope that's not

1886
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 3: the case, but it would make sense. Right you tune

1887
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:09,639
Speaker 3: into game one of the finals. If you're a casual fan,

1888
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 3: you're just gonna see what's up. And then if you

1889
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:14,880
Speaker 3: especially if it's not teams you have any kind of

1890
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 3: real dog in the fight with you just kind of

1891
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 3: trail back off and maybe you just kind of you'll

1892
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:23,200
Speaker 3: flip onto it for five minutes and you'll go back

1893
01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 3: to what you were doing and things like that. It's

1894
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 3: the hardcorees that are going to stick around throughout the

1895
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 3: finals unless it just becomes incredibly compelling where you just

1896
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:35,640
Speaker 3: have one of those kind of great matchups that you

1897
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 3: know is gonna rate. Well. I imagine when you think that's

1898
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 3: probably true for any seven game finals, that game one

1899
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 3: is likely to be your high point except for a

1900
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 3: game seven.

1901
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, or certainly as the series ramps up. So yeah,

1902
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,559
Speaker 2: so yeah, I'm trying to look at if there's like

1903
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 2: a comparable like for the World Series. Let's take a

1904
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 2: quick look here. Yeah, World Series, it's kind of a

1905
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:06,400
Speaker 2: dip after game one as well, although in twenty twenty

1906
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 2: three there was an uptick in game two. So yeah, no,

1907
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 2: it makes sense. It makes sense, I guess, and I

1908
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 2: know you know where I was going with it. I think,

1909
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 2: to me, the bigger thing is that if the ratings

1910
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 2: were basically at historic lows in Game one. There isn't

1911
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 2: really any indicator to expect them to bounce back up

1912
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 2: heading into Game two. So, by the way, Jeff Sorenson

1913
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 2: just tweeted in said, love your guys take on Adam

1914
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 2: Silver in the NBA. Been a bad product for years.

1915
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, we're just talking to Adam Silver all that

1916
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:43,839
Speaker 2: and the lack of logos and whatever on the court.

1917
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 2: All right, I want to switch gears, pseudo switch gears,

1918
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:49,599
Speaker 2: and I do want to talk about what is going

1919
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 2: to come in the NBA offseason. Is that I think

1920
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:54,599
Speaker 2: we all think that it could be a pretty busy

1921
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 2: offseason from you know, kind of like a superstar trade moves.

1922
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 2: This that you know, Yannis clearly seems to be open

1923
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 2: to a move in a way that he hasn't in

1924
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 2: the past. And I bring it up because I think

1925
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:11,719
Speaker 2: this is going to come off as a controversial take

1926
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 2: and I don't know if it should be Kevin Durant

1927
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 2: like like, so I'll say this. It's like it feels

1928
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 2: like listening to people in the media that it is

1929
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:23,640
Speaker 2: basically people that cover the league on a day and

1930
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 2: day out basis that it is a foregone conclusion. Kevin

1931
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 2: Durant will be traded this offseason. He won't be a

1932
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:31,280
Speaker 2: member of the Suns, and it makes sense. Team bottomed out,

1933
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:34,720
Speaker 2: missed the playoffs. They fired Budenholzer. They just hired a

1934
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 2: you know, kind of a young, cheap assistant. And maybe

1935
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:40,080
Speaker 2: he's good, maybe he isn't. But basically, after going, you know,

1936
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 2: after hiring an NBA championship head coach, it doesn't work

1937
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:46,719
Speaker 2: this year. They go in a different direction. I bring

1938
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:50,639
Speaker 2: it up, Jemart because I'll be real, Okay, So Kevin

1939
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 2: Durant all time great. I'm not saying that he isn't.

1940
01:39:55,479 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 2: But at the same time, does Kevin Durant. I guess

1941
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 2: we have to see what team he lands on, where

1942
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:07,479
Speaker 2: he goes whatever. But this is a guy, you know,

1943
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 2: I guarantee you when the finals end, this will be

1944
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 2: the lead conversation on every show every day. This yeah,

1945
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:20,920
Speaker 2: this inianness until something happens with you know whatever. But

1946
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:23,799
Speaker 2: I bring it up because Katie and I love Katie.

1947
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:25,559
Speaker 2: He's an all time great. I'm not this is not

1948
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:28,519
Speaker 2: like a teardown and everybody in the NBA stings, but

1949
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:30,519
Speaker 2: he is a He's coming off a season where he

1950
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 2: played sixty two games to really about. You know, basically

1951
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 2: post Achilles, he's had one year where he's played more

1952
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:42,759
Speaker 2: than sixty five games, So basically he's missed twenty plus games.

1953
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:46,480
Speaker 2: And here's the stat that I don't think people really realize.

1954
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 2: Since he left Golden State in twenty nineteen, his team

1955
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 2: has not made it out of the second round of

1956
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:56,719
Speaker 2: the NBA playoffs. Yep, you know, people know the history.

1957
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:58,599
Speaker 2: I think we you and I are, Me and Arnie

1958
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 2: were on air that that famous game against the Milwaukee Bucks.

1959
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:05,599
Speaker 2: But you know, they lose, they get they get swept

1960
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 2: in in his last year in Brooklyn, make it to

1961
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 2: the second round in his first year and get beat

1962
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:13,640
Speaker 2: up pretty bad by the Nuggets. Last year, they get

1963
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 2: swept in the opening round by Minnesota. This year they

1964
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:20,360
Speaker 2: missed the playoffs. I just it feels like it's not

1965
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:23,439
Speaker 2: quite Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers, but it just feels

1966
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:25,960
Speaker 2: like a story that we're gonna make a huge, huge,

1967
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:28,679
Speaker 2: huge deal out of. I just don't know that Kevin

1968
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 2: Durant's that dude anymore. I really don't.

1969
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:35,280
Speaker 3: He's not listen. I said this last week on my show.

1970
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 3: I kind of went off on this. You probably didn't

1971
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:39,040
Speaker 3: hear because it's deeper into the show and you were

1972
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 3: probably asleep. There has been this discourse about how Kevin

1973
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:48,720
Speaker 3: Durant needs to go to Minnesota to team up with

1974
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:52,479
Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards, and I said, that's the last thing Anthony

1975
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:57,960
Speaker 3: Edwards needs, because at what point has Kevin Durant been

1976
01:41:58,120 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 3: a leader? Like why would you want somebody who like

1977
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards. I'm still questioning his leadership in Tangibles right now,

1978
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 3: and I'm not sure that he has that in him.

1979
01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:11,400
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that. I said, I feel like he's

1980
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 3: more Durant than he is Curry because I think he

1981
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 3: wants to go out there and ball, and he has

1982
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:19,040
Speaker 3: all the talent in the world, but there's just these

1983
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:21,080
Speaker 3: moments where it's like I need him to take the

1984
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:23,360
Speaker 3: throttle of the team, and Martin Medina actually told me

1985
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:26,160
Speaker 3: he goes. You know, I talked to Anthony Edwards about

1986
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 3: this and he said, look, I had a problem for

1987
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:32,600
Speaker 3: a while in trying to take the lead when there

1988
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:34,760
Speaker 3: were a lot of veterans on the team, guys that

1989
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 3: were older than me, and that he took strides in

1990
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:41,519
Speaker 3: that arena this year and became more of a leader

1991
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:44,720
Speaker 3: I didn't see it, but I'll take Medina's word for

1992
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:47,519
Speaker 3: it on that Durant's not going to make him a

1993
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:51,880
Speaker 3: better leader. Durant's going to come in and ball because

1994
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,120
Speaker 3: that's what Durant does. And he's also going to get

1995
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:57,360
Speaker 3: hurt because that's also what Kevin Durant does. At this point,

1996
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:00,920
Speaker 3: he is older, he hasn't won with anybody, and he's

1997
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 3: been around a lot of stars. He's been around young stars,

1998
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:06,080
Speaker 3: he's been around to Devin Booker, He's been around guys

1999
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 3: like that, and he's been around veteran stars as well.

2000
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:11,439
Speaker 3: I feel like if you send him to Anthony Edwards,

2001
01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:13,720
Speaker 3: it's like you're putting the bad influence next to him.

2002
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:16,200
Speaker 3: I hate to say that about Kevin Durant, but unfortunately

2003
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 3: that's kind of what he's become. Like. He has become

2004
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:23,479
Speaker 3: a guy whose skill on the floor is outweighed by

2005
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:26,880
Speaker 3: just a ton of negatives that seem to accompany him

2006
01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:30,080
Speaker 3: wherever he goes. Coaches don't seem to last with him.

2007
01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:34,559
Speaker 2: His health statuti or coach year or something like that.

2008
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:37,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm it's bad. I think I saw a stat

2009
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:40,679
Speaker 3: where he actually has the worst playoff record of any

2010
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:43,880
Speaker 3: active player in the NBA right now, Oh wow, which

2011
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:47,560
Speaker 3: is astonishing as good as he is walking in the

2012
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:49,599
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, one of the greatest offensive players we've

2013
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:53,920
Speaker 3: ever seen. Just he's got everything that you want, except

2014
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:56,599
Speaker 3: for the fact that I never saw him lead. Russell

2015
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 3: Westbrook was more than the leader in Oklahoma City. We

2016
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 3: all know Steph was the in Golden State. Then when

2017
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:05,760
Speaker 3: he went to the nets, they had no leader and

2018
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:09,200
Speaker 3: so they got nowhere. He went to Phoenix and he

2019
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 3: really has not been the leader there either. Just because

2020
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:14,040
Speaker 3: you're the best player doesn't mean you are the de

2021
01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:17,280
Speaker 3: facto leader. And a team needs a leader on the

2022
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 3: floor just as much as it needs one on the sidelines.

2023
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:23,799
Speaker 3: And that's not who Kevin Durant is. He's told you himself,

2024
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:25,559
Speaker 3: I want a ball, I want a hoop. That's what

2025
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:28,519
Speaker 3: I love doing, and he's great at it. But putting

2026
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:31,799
Speaker 3: him with Anthony Edwards, I feel like, is putting exactly

2027
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:35,760
Speaker 3: what Anthony. What Anthony Edwards needs to see is more

2028
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:38,800
Speaker 3: a guy like a Jawen Brunson, more a guy that

2029
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:42,959
Speaker 3: is an actual leader on the floor, that actually controls

2030
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:45,280
Speaker 3: things and is more of a general as opposed to

2031
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:48,000
Speaker 3: whatever it is that Kevin Durant is, which is just

2032
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,599
Speaker 3: a great basketball player, because I think Anthony Edwards is

2033
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:53,760
Speaker 3: the new version of that already. So that was like

2034
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:57,080
Speaker 3: I specifically was talking about it in regards to Anthony Edwards.

2035
01:44:57,200 --> 01:45:00,040
Speaker 3: I understand, like Kevin Durant, you would want him on

2036
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:02,920
Speaker 3: on your team, but for the fact that everything that

2037
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:05,840
Speaker 3: he does to your team that's not just scoring and

2038
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:09,320
Speaker 3: doing whatever is actually on the basketball floor, seems to

2039
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:12,080
Speaker 3: be a net negative for every franchise he has joints

2040
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:13,479
Speaker 3: that's golden sake, it's.

2041
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:15,640
Speaker 2: All great points. You know, I hadn't even thought of it.

2042
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:18,479
Speaker 2: I I you pegged it down better than I did

2043
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 2: as far as why, because you know, Olden when you

2044
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:23,280
Speaker 2: were out last week, Olden Polonies was in and old

2045
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 2: and kind of said, oh, you know, yeah, Minnesota Timberwolves,

2046
01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:27,760
Speaker 2: and I love old And it's not a criticism of

2047
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 2: the take. Everyone's allowed their opinion, but I just said,

2048
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:33,840
Speaker 2: I don't think Kevin Durant's like they missed enough wide

2049
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:36,519
Speaker 2: open threes, Like, you know, they don't just need another

2050
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:40,200
Speaker 2: guy to jack up a bunch of threes. And I

2051
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:42,680
Speaker 2: think the maturity thing is it. And it's funny. I

2052
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:44,320
Speaker 2: was just thinking about this way you were speaking, is

2053
01:45:44,360 --> 01:45:48,200
Speaker 2: that you know, sometimes we talk about guys from the

2054
01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:51,840
Speaker 2: perspective of like is that guy a true number one?

2055
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, we talk about a guy

2056
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 2: in terms of like can he be the best player

2057
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:01,680
Speaker 2: on a championship team? And I think what's interesting is

2058
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:06,120
Speaker 2: it's that, like with Durant, he can't be a number one,

2059
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:08,920
Speaker 2: for he could be your most talented player, he can't

2060
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 2: be your leader though, you know, so he's like almost

2061
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 2: number two from that respective even perspective. Excuse me, even

2062
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:17,840
Speaker 2: if he wouldn't be number one as far as uh,

2063
01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:19,280
Speaker 2: even if he could be number one, is the most

2064
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:19,960
Speaker 2: talented player?

2065
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 3: Yes, that's exactly right. Most talented does not equate to leader,

2066
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 3: It doesn't equate to alpha. It just means that you

2067
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:31,519
Speaker 3: can ball. It just means that you're an incredible basketball player.

2068
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:34,200
Speaker 3: We already know that Anthony Edwards is exactly the same.

2069
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:38,200
Speaker 3: And so when you hear when Medina tells us that

2070
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:40,760
Speaker 3: you know, Anthony Edwards took some strides and that he's

2071
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:43,720
Speaker 3: continuing to try and grow in that way, then I

2072
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:46,200
Speaker 3: want to see that continue. And I actually think that

2073
01:46:46,360 --> 01:46:49,280
Speaker 3: stunts the second Kevin Durant gets there because I think

2074
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:52,759
Speaker 3: that it will actually reflect bad habits onto Anthony Edwards

2075
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:55,040
Speaker 3: that he is desperately I would say right now trying

2076
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:59,360
Speaker 3: to get away from Kevin Durant is the epitome of

2077
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:03,000
Speaker 3: what Anthony Edwards has been, not who Anthony Edwards needs

2078
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:05,040
Speaker 3: to be if that team is actually able to win

2079
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:05,840
Speaker 3: a championship.

2080
01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:10,320
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Radio Air Tours, Jason Martin broadcasting

2081
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:12,840
Speaker 2: live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Come back a

2082
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:15,360
Speaker 2: couple more topics before we get out of here. A

2083
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 2: lot of ground to cover between now and two am Eastern,

2084
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:20,880
Speaker 2: but before we get to all that final time this evening,

2085
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:22,920
Speaker 2: Steve de Saga, what's training? Well?

2086
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 7: Hello once again and yes.

2087
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:27,120
Speaker 6: Game two of the NBA Finals is Sunday, Indiana at

2088
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:30,280
Speaker 6: Oklahoma City. The Pacers came back to take the opener.

2089
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 6: My favorite stat from that opening game of the best

2090
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:36,120
Speaker 6: of seven, what would you guess the record is in

2091
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:38,800
Speaker 6: the last three minutes of a Finals game if your

2092
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:42,479
Speaker 6: team is down nine or more. The answer is oh

2093
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 6: and one eighty two since nineteen seventy one.

2094
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:49,360
Speaker 2: And well one hast broken a lot of those one.

2095
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:55,240
Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely, Center Zach Edia the Grizzlies will reportedly miss

2096
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:58,680
Speaker 6: the start of next season. It'll have ankle surgery. WNBA

2097
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:02,280
Speaker 6: wins for expansion, Golden State for Seattle. Indiana cruise to

2098
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:05,400
Speaker 6: Chicago seventy nine fifty two, even though Caitlin Clark is

2099
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:08,120
Speaker 6: still out with a string. Quad Stanley Cup Game three

2100
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 6: is Monday night, Edmonton at Florida, series tied at one.

2101
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:14,280
Speaker 6: The NHL's Coach of the Year as Washington Spencer Carbury.

2102
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:18,040
Speaker 6: The Steelers officially signed quarterback Aaron Rodgers. He passed his

2103
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 6: physical mandatory. Mini camp starts Tuesday. He'll speak then at

2104
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:25,439
Speaker 6: UFC three to sixteen. Kayla Harrison a winner tonight, beating

2105
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:29,400
Speaker 6: champion Julianna Pania by submission, so she'll now face Amanda

2106
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:34,719
Speaker 6: Noonez next. In college baseball Super Regional Coastal Carolina eliminated Auburn.

2107
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:38,440
Speaker 6: Coco Goff won the French Open. Kentucky Derby winner Sovereignty

2108
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:41,519
Speaker 6: took the Belmont Stakes. The late Major League Baseball game

2109
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:44,720
Speaker 6: went to Baltimore seven to four at the A's, who

2110
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:47,799
Speaker 6: had actually won two straight. Before this, they had lost

2111
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:51,120
Speaker 6: twenty of twenty one. Seattle has lost five in a row,

2112
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:53,400
Speaker 6: lost eight to six to the Angels. Cal Rowley did

2113
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:56,439
Speaker 6: hit two more homers, numbers twenty five and twenty six

2114
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:59,919
Speaker 6: of his season already that leads the Majors. Julia Rodriguez

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01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:01,280
Speaker 6: left with an ankle injury.

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Speaker 7: The Mets.

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01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:04,799
Speaker 6: Francisco Lindor had three hits back in the starting lineup

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01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:07,720
Speaker 6: despite the broken toe. Mets one at Colorado eight to one.

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01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:11,559
Speaker 6: The Rockies record twelve and fifty two. Milwaukee edged San

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Speaker 6: Diego on a solo homer bottom of the ninth, four

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01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:16,720
Speaker 6: to three. The Padres had just tied the game in

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01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:19,120
Speaker 6: the top of the ninth. Padres still a game back

2123
01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:21,519
Speaker 6: of the first place Dodgers in the NL West, Saint

2124
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:24,679
Speaker 6: Louis two to one over LA. Dodgers record in about

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01:49:24,680 --> 01:49:28,720
Speaker 6: the last month, it's fifteen and seventeen, and they'll be

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01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:32,080
Speaker 6: playing at San Diego starting Monday, and then hosting San

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01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:35,880
Speaker 6: Francisco and San Diego after that. San Francisco won on

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01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:37,559
Speaker 6: a two run home or bottom of the night from

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01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:40,519
Speaker 6: Matt Chapman. Giants have won four straight, beat Atlanta three

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01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:42,760
Speaker 6: to two. Braves have lost six in a row. The

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01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,760
Speaker 6: Cubs hit five home runs, two by Saya Suzuki at a

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01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:48,519
Speaker 6: six to one win at Detroit, ten inning road wins

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01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:51,320
Speaker 6: for both Houston and Miami. The Fox game for most

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01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:54,479
Speaker 6: of the country, Boston ten to seven over the Yankees,

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01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:58,439
Speaker 6: the lost to Ryan Yarborough save to Eraaldus Chapman, Trevor

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01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:01,160
Speaker 6: Story of Boston three HiT's I have RBIs back to you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Steve Sagrea. Have a great evening.

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01:50:04,479 --> 01:50:06,320
Speaker 2: You are off to Mark.

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01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 7: That is correct.

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01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:08,280
Speaker 2: I hope you're doing something.

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01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:10,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, it should be family party.

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01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:10,840
Speaker 3: Yes, okay.

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01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're going back.

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01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:15,559
Speaker 6: Rare Sunday night, but yeah, it should be back one

2145
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:17,360
Speaker 6: of the Jason Smith shows at least this week.

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01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:19,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're going back to Lake Tahoe

2147
01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:20,200
Speaker 2: for three weeks.

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01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:22,799
Speaker 7: Or what it was gorgeous, I will say.

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01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:25,519
Speaker 2: Awesome to say, have a great evening off and uh,

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01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:27,000
Speaker 2: you know, hopefully Chris playing.

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01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:30,519
Speaker 3: Fourteen and fifty two for the Rockies as you well

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01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:35,360
Speaker 3: said that twelve sorry, So can you imagine being that

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01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:38,000
Speaker 3: bad and then looking up and realizing you still have

2154
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:39,720
Speaker 3: one hundred games to play?

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01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:40,599
Speaker 5: That is true?

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01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 3: That is like how how like just demoralizing, Like you're

2157
01:50:44,439 --> 01:50:47,800
Speaker 3: fifty games under five hundred, but you still got to

2158
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:50,280
Speaker 3: play one hundred more like you're totally out of it,

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01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:52,160
Speaker 3: but you still have one hundred games.

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01:50:52,360 --> 01:50:52,840
Speaker 2: As of this.

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01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:56,719
Speaker 6: Past week, they had already registered their fourth eight game

2162
01:50:56,760 --> 01:50:57,840
Speaker 6: losing streak of the week.

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01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:00,719
Speaker 2: Ah, that's just what if.

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01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:01,640
Speaker 7: You're the broadcaster.

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01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:04,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, like exactly, I mean, I know, like, yes, it's

2166
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:06,599
Speaker 3: a dream to play major League baseball. It's a dream

2167
01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:09,280
Speaker 3: to call major League baseball. I understand all this, but man,

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01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:12,439
Speaker 3: those are gonna be some rough summer loss right.

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01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:15,519
Speaker 2: The fact that they can rattle off fifty straight wins

2170
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:16,920
Speaker 2: and then still be just five.

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01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:18,639
Speaker 7: Hundred at that point, that's true.

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01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:21,200
Speaker 2: I'll say this. I you know, Bernie Freddo, I know

2173
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:23,759
Speaker 2: you're listening. I said this to you last week to Sega,

2174
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 2: and unfortunately Bernie Freddo wasn't in. I said, Bernie Freddo,

2175
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:29,840
Speaker 2: I need the I need the dollar amount that you

2176
01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:32,839
Speaker 2: would be up if you just bet against the Rockies

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01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:36,040
Speaker 2: every single game. Now, I guess straight up, yeah, I guess.

2178
01:51:36,120 --> 01:51:37,840
Speaker 2: I guess. You know, with the odds, you'd have to

2179
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:40,560
Speaker 2: bet more to win less. But still, I mean, you

2180
01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:42,920
Speaker 2: just took them every single game to lose, or took

2181
01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:45,680
Speaker 2: the run whatever. Anyway, All right to saga, enjoy your

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01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:46,559
Speaker 2: evening and.

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01:51:46,479 --> 01:51:48,920
Speaker 6: They're still playing I mean, Giants and Braves next week.

2184
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:51,360
Speaker 6: It's not like they I don't know who they. You know,

2185
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:53,920
Speaker 6: the easy wins would be on their schedule.

2186
01:51:53,439 --> 01:51:56,040
Speaker 2: But Savannah Bananas are not on the schedule.

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01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:58,320
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that's an easy win either.

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01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:00,879
Speaker 2: It isn't. Well, I'll tell you watch it. I actually

2189
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:04,000
Speaker 2: sort of have a question about that, but we'll get

2190
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:05,960
Speaker 2: come back. We'll wrap the show. We do have to

2191
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:09,200
Speaker 2: talk Game two of the NBA Finals. We got to

2192
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:11,040
Speaker 2: talk about a bunch of other things before we get

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Speaker 2: out of here. Ertors Jason Martin, Fox Sports Radio, Welcome

2194
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:20,080
Speaker 2: back everybody, Fox Sports Radio. Ertorris Jason Martin broadcasting live

2195
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:22,639
Speaker 2: for the Fox Sports Radio Studio. Should match it shortly

2196
01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:25,400
Speaker 2: after the show, podcast going up. If you missed any

2197
01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:28,200
Speaker 2: of today's show, check out the podcast. Just search Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio wherever you get your podcast and you'll see

2201
01:52:35,800 --> 01:52:38,360
Speaker 2: today's show. Post it after we get off air. Jami,

2202
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:39,960
Speaker 2: I want to talk Game two in a second, but

2203
01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:45,320
Speaker 2: I actually was kind of curious about this, and so

2204
01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:49,720
Speaker 2: I mentioned the Savannah bananas. I'll be real, I might

2205
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:52,599
Speaker 2: just have my head in the clouds on this or

2206
01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:54,120
Speaker 2: in the sand in this may be the right way

2207
01:52:54,120 --> 01:52:57,000
Speaker 2: to put it. Every Saturday they're playing in front of

2208
01:52:57,040 --> 01:53:01,960
Speaker 2: like ninety thousand people in a football stadium. I don't

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Speaker 2: really get it, and I don't really know anything about it, Like,

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01:53:04,640 --> 01:53:08,080
Speaker 2: are you familiar with why they're so popular or are

2211
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:10,280
Speaker 2: they just basically like the Harlem Globe Chritters of baseball?

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01:53:10,360 --> 01:53:10,519
Speaker 7: Right?

2213
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:13,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean they do. There's a lot of antics,

2214
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:17,960
Speaker 3: and it's it's more of just a it's more of

2215
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:22,040
Speaker 3: a performance than anything else. But I don't really understand

2216
01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:25,120
Speaker 3: it either, and I haven't dived deep enough into it

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01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:27,439
Speaker 3: to fully grasp. But I knew some people that covered

2218
01:53:27,479 --> 01:53:30,439
Speaker 3: them a few years ago. But I mean, you got,

2219
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,479
Speaker 3: what was it, Adam Thielen was there, I think this

2220
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:37,080
Speaker 3: week or something like that. Yeah, I just I don't

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01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:39,599
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I don't have very much more

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01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:43,080
Speaker 3: knowledge than you do. It's not something obviously that we

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01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:45,880
Speaker 3: were going to ever cover. So it's just like I

2224
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:48,000
Speaker 3: just kind of have always viewed it like, Okay, it

2225
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:50,000
Speaker 3: just seems like it's a party of a minor league

2226
01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:55,160
Speaker 3: team or something. But obviously it's it's like bucket list

2227
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:58,120
Speaker 3: material or something for a lot of people out there.

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01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:01,200
Speaker 3: And I love the I love the Savannah banana name.

2229
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:03,880
Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan of like Minor League Baseball names,

2230
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:07,000
Speaker 3: Montgomery Biscuits and you know, all of that kind of stuff.

2231
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:10,360
Speaker 3: Big fan and the bananas. That makes all the sense

2232
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:13,639
Speaker 3: in the world. And it rolls off the tongue and again,

2233
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:16,360
Speaker 3: it looks like a fun thing for kids or something.

2234
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:20,120
Speaker 3: But I'm not sure why it's become like this big.

2235
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:22,559
Speaker 3: I would have to read a lot more into it

2236
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:23,560
Speaker 3: to fully understand.

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01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:27,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just looking right now. World Tour. And you know,

2238
01:54:27,439 --> 01:54:29,400
Speaker 2: to their credit, they're on ESPN because, like I said,

2239
01:54:29,439 --> 01:54:32,680
Speaker 2: I was slipping channels today, just a little downtime. And

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Speaker 2: they were playing in Charlotte and packed house. And when

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01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 2: I say playing in Charlotte, I'm not talking about like

2242
01:54:37,640 --> 01:54:40,960
Speaker 2: the eight thousand seat minor league's team. They were playing

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01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:44,360
Speaker 2: at Bank of America Stadium where the Carolina Panthers play,

2244
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:49,200
Speaker 2: and huge crowd. They were in Nashville at the you know,

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01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:52,080
Speaker 2: Nissan Stadium where the Titans play. They were in Clemson

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01:54:52,160 --> 01:54:54,720
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago. They will then in a few

2247
01:54:54,760 --> 01:54:58,280
Speaker 2: weeks go to Washington, d C. Where the Nats play.

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01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:03,120
Speaker 2: Fenway Park, Citizen Bank Park, Camden Yards are all on

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01:55:03,120 --> 01:55:04,560
Speaker 2: the schedule coming up. I was just curious if you

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Speaker 2: knew anything about it.

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01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:07,920
Speaker 3: No, I mean not more than just I know they're

2252
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:11,240
Speaker 3: super popular and it's clearly something that a lot of

2253
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:13,600
Speaker 3: people get a lot of enjoyment out of. So that's great.

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01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:16,440
Speaker 3: Maybe someday. I mean, they were here in Nashville and

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Speaker 3: I could I guess I could have gone. I didn't

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01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,080
Speaker 3: even know it, but it does seem crazy that you're

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01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:25,160
Speaker 3: putting that you're gonna football stadiums and that many people

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01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:28,240
Speaker 3: are coming out for it. They must just be wildly entertaining.

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01:55:28,720 --> 01:55:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had a excuse me, a female friend overseas

2260
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:35,320
Speaker 2: who knew I covered sports, and she was like, oh,

2261
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:38,040
Speaker 2: I don't really know anything about baseball, but the Savannah

2262
01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:41,480
Speaker 2: bananas are fun. And I'm like, oh, maybe this thing

2263
01:55:41,560 --> 01:55:43,360
Speaker 2: is way bigger than I am. I'm looking right now,

2264
01:55:43,400 --> 01:55:46,720
Speaker 2: they have ten point two million followers on TikTok, and

2265
01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:48,720
Speaker 2: let's see how many they have on Instagram. I know

2266
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:51,040
Speaker 2: this is bad radio, but I just you know, and

2267
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:53,160
Speaker 2: they were showing highlights on TV and I just, you know,

2268
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:54,760
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure it all out. Three point

2269
01:55:54,840 --> 01:55:58,919
Speaker 2: three million followers on Instagram, ten point two million followers

2270
01:55:58,920 --> 01:56:02,200
Speaker 2: on TikTok So. Andy Dalton and Adam Thielen were among

2271
01:56:02,280 --> 01:56:05,600
Speaker 2: those that were in the crowd on Saturday night in Charlotte.

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01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:08,760
Speaker 2: All right, let's wrap the show. We only got a

2273
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:13,120
Speaker 2: couple of minutes left. Let's talk game to NBA Finals.

2274
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:17,080
Speaker 2: We have Indiana at Oklahoma City. Talked about it a

2275
01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 2: little bit before, you know, I'll just be real. I'll

2276
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:22,920
Speaker 2: give my kind of quick take on it. Okay, See,

2277
01:56:23,320 --> 01:56:25,560
Speaker 2: I give them credit because they've had some pretty you know,

2278
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:29,960
Speaker 2: crushing losses Game one against Denver. Earlier in the playoffs,

2279
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:33,000
Speaker 2: they lost a game or two against Minnesota, and we're

2280
01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:35,920
Speaker 2: able to bounce back. They are very young, but they

2281
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:37,960
Speaker 2: seem to be very resilient. They seem to do a

2282
01:56:37,960 --> 01:56:40,840
Speaker 2: good job of putting things behind them quickly. And to

2283
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:43,600
Speaker 2: their credit, they were in complete control for most of

2284
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:48,120
Speaker 2: that game. They did force twenty six total turnovers. You know,

2285
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:51,000
Speaker 2: I just think that as crazy as it was, I

2286
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:53,440
Speaker 2: guess it was twenty five total turnovers. But as crazy

2287
01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:56,840
Speaker 2: as it was in game one, I do think they

2288
01:56:56,880 --> 01:56:59,480
Speaker 2: come back and win Game two Oklahoma City on Tuesday night.

2289
01:56:59,600 --> 01:57:01,800
Speaker 3: I mean, they kind of have to. I feel the

2290
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:05,120
Speaker 3: same way. If they don't, boy, it's gonna be just

2291
01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:09,680
Speaker 3: don't even text me, just let it go. Yeah, I mean,

2292
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:12,160
Speaker 3: I feel like they're gonna blow them out. But again,

2293
01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:14,080
Speaker 3: I felt the same thing about the Knicks. I don't

2294
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:16,160
Speaker 3: think the Pacers are gonna go down that easy. I

2295
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:19,600
Speaker 3: just feel like the most likely scenario is the Thunder

2296
01:57:19,640 --> 01:57:22,440
Speaker 3: come out hot and put the thing out of reach

2297
01:57:22,520 --> 01:57:25,000
Speaker 3: pretty quickly and just keep the foot on the gas

2298
01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:27,440
Speaker 3: all the way through, and they go back to Andy

2299
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:32,000
Speaker 3: one one to one. I feel like they'll win by

2300
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:35,400
Speaker 3: fifteen or more tomorrow. That's just my gut feeling on it.

2301
01:57:35,480 --> 01:57:38,560
Speaker 3: And it terrifies me to say that because the Pacers

2302
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:41,880
Speaker 3: just seem to stomp predictions like that really quickly.

2303
01:57:41,960 --> 01:57:46,560
Speaker 2: It seems like you had you had the Thunder winning

2304
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:49,800
Speaker 2: the series. Did Game one change anything outside of the

2305
01:57:50,240 --> 01:57:52,960
Speaker 2: game's outcome as far as what you think how you

2306
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:54,240
Speaker 2: think the series is gonna end up.

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01:57:54,640 --> 01:57:56,640
Speaker 3: No, I mean, I said Thunder in five and I

2308
01:57:56,680 --> 01:57:59,400
Speaker 3: still think that that could be true, but this might

2309
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:03,480
Speaker 3: push it to I also think that more than anything else,

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01:58:03,560 --> 01:58:05,120
Speaker 3: This is just one of those where it's just like,

2311
01:58:05,200 --> 01:58:07,480
Speaker 3: this is why I didn't like the discourse about this

2312
01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:10,320
Speaker 3: being a giant mismatch and the Pacers having no shot

2313
01:58:10,480 --> 01:58:13,240
Speaker 3: and all this kind of stuff, because they're really good

2314
01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:15,320
Speaker 3: and when you get to this point, there's a reason

2315
01:58:15,320 --> 01:58:17,640
Speaker 3: why you made it as far as you did, and

2316
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:20,520
Speaker 3: this team did not have an easy road to the

2317
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:24,120
Speaker 3: NBA Finals whatsoever. And now they've taken game one on

2318
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:26,280
Speaker 3: the road against a very young team that's in their

2319
01:58:26,280 --> 01:58:29,320
Speaker 3: first NBA finals. That's still I mean, really, I mean,

2320
01:58:29,320 --> 01:58:32,120
Speaker 3: they're babies in a lot of respects. As good as

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01:58:32,160 --> 01:58:34,800
Speaker 3: they are, especially at this point, they just they don't

2322
01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:37,080
Speaker 3: have that requisite experience. So I look at that and

2323
01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:39,880
Speaker 3: it gives you a little bit of pause, but I

2324
01:58:39,920 --> 01:58:42,560
Speaker 3: think it maybe pushes this series to six. That's about

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01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:43,920
Speaker 3: as far as I would go. I still think the

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Speaker 3: Thunder are the better team and will prove that out

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Speaker 3: throughout the course of this series. But it's just one

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Speaker 3: of those that remind you that the games actually have

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Speaker 3: to be played, and there's a lot of talent on

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Speaker 3: both sides.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take the Thunder as well. I still think

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Speaker 2: the Thunder win the series. I never thought it was

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Speaker 2: gonna be in four. I don't think I ever thought

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Speaker 2: it was gonna be in five. I definitely don't think

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Speaker 2: it will be. Now we gotta get out of here. Well,

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Speaker 2: Thank the crew, Mary Mack on the board, Ian In

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Speaker 2: for Free, Steve Sega on the update desk for my partner,

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Speaker 2: Jason Martin Amra Torres, Do me a favor, do us

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Speaker 2: a huge favor. Make sure to download the podcast wherever

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Speaker 2: you get podcasts, download Tours and Martin Fox Sports Radio Weekends.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next Bernie Fratto of The Bernie Fratto Show.

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Speaker 2: He's got so much on a busy weekend sports Bernie

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Speaker 2: Fratto's next for Jason Martin Ameraturs