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Speaker 1: First off, Man, we appreciate you man being on the show. Bro.

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Speaker 1: You know you our guy man, same draft man that

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Speaker 1: the USA Conference. Man, I've been watching you since I've

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Speaker 1: been in high school. Man, But we definitely appreciate you man.

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Speaker 1: You know, all the love and Ay Thomas see is

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Speaker 1: the same thing.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: We definitely appreciate from day one.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, No, definitely honor man to beyond. Man, y'all been

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Speaker 2: doing this thing and been doing it right, man, so

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Speaker 2: definitely on the beyond. Man, appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: When you first got to the league, who was the

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Speaker 1: first person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 2: First person to bust my ass who gave me fits?

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Speaker 2: Probably was Larry Johnson. Man say, yeah, come on, like

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Speaker 2: he had changed his game, you know from Dallas. You

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Speaker 2: know I'm looking forward to the matchup. Yeah you n

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Speaker 2: LV War number four all that. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: So childhood idle all that. But you know I'm eager

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Speaker 2: locking that. You know, I think defense. You know, you

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Speaker 2: know me, I'm trying to block it, take it whatever

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Speaker 2: I can. Man, he pumped faking me fading away doing

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Speaker 2: up and unders. I'm like I'm pogo stick out there.

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Speaker 2: Jumping at everything, and then I got the the pleasure

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Speaker 2: of guarding the footwork. Mic Yeah, that Wizards Micah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So I got a little lesson. You know. I was

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Speaker 2: eager that that night as well.

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Speaker 1: Over zealous, Yeah, trying to get something off on them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, just yeah, like trying to stop him. Man.

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Speaker 2: You know, I want to just say I locked Mic down. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm saying it wasn't the boys Mike, just to say

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Speaker 2: I did it, but I ain't.

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Speaker 3: It ain't go that way, yo, yo yo. We live

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Speaker 3: on location. We all here what we had black we

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Speaker 3: in La California. Man, we had to come away out

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Speaker 3: here to tap in with our two thousand draft class man.

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Speaker 3: He went number one, he went high.

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Speaker 1: You do. You can't talk no trash.

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Speaker 3: Today, but we got a little Hey, look, we got

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Speaker 3: the badass yellow boy from that Texas in the building.

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Speaker 3: We got an All star. He was better defendit than

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Speaker 3: you too. You can't tell your defense suff they need it.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just disrespect you all.

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Speaker 1: Never in.

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Speaker 3: Ky and Martin, Cincinnati's finest in the building.

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Speaker 1: Our homeboy, appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Brow it up, bro Love.

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Speaker 1: Presented by Visible You played basketball, football, and base I

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Speaker 1: could tell you an athlete like them up but slightly like,

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Speaker 1: but you play all three sports? What got you into

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Speaker 1: all three sports? And then shows basketball is like that's

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Speaker 1: the one that I feel like I can succeed.

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Speaker 2: Man. I started hooping, Man first was basketball? Start hooping.

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Speaker 2: I got in trouble at school or something and fighting

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Speaker 2: or something. My mom said, you're gonna do some sides,

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Speaker 2: get in trouble. Took me to the local Wreck, which

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Speaker 2: is local Salvage Army was right by apartments. We grew

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Speaker 2: up in the projects. We grew up, I'm saying, so

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Speaker 2: we grew up hooping and playing sports there, so she

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Speaker 2: wouldn't say, you're gonna do some besides get in trouble.

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Speaker 2: My sister was a cheerleader. They're already, so she took

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Speaker 2: me up to the gym and and like ten dropped

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Speaker 2: me off, and I was like, this is cool. And

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Speaker 2: then football season came in. Okay, you're gonna play football too.

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Speaker 2: Baseball season came around. You're gonna play baseball too, Like

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Speaker 2: you're gonna do some besides get in trouble. So that

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Speaker 2: was the message, like you're gonna and it always stuck,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like you're gonna do something

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Speaker 2: besides get in trouble and just gravitated chwards and man

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Speaker 2: like when it was but but basketball was always the staple.

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Speaker 2: Like when football season after practice went over with our

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Speaker 2: the floor with cleats on. I'm saying, we're out there hooping,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying doing Baseball season the same things.

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Speaker 2: So we always had access to the gym, no matter

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Speaker 2: a coach named coach Phillips like Lwroyd Phillips growing up,

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Speaker 2: So like he was the one to try to keep

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, something.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't not But did that make you be a late bloomer?

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Speaker 1: That that you played all the sports so you didn't

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Speaker 2: I was just green, just green, didn't didn't didn't know nothing,

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Speaker 2: man like just who was from the hood, lucked up

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Speaker 2: got on au team like all that was foreign to me.

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Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, what point did you picked out of them

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Speaker 2: My sophomore year, Like, my sophomore year was the last

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Speaker 2: year I played all three. Like we in like so

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Speaker 2: there was a private school that a guy from Savage

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Speaker 2: Normal was getting everybody into. Mister Kenneth Vick was getting

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Speaker 2: everybody in to this school. So guys went there one state.

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Speaker 2: It was kind of easy. Basically, it wasn't. It was

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Speaker 2: and everybody went there. So that was my last year

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Speaker 2: playing all three. So when I transferred out of there

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Speaker 1: You had outside of Cincinnati. Could have been anybody else.

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Speaker 2: That like.

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Speaker 1: Got Honestly at that point, nah, So Cincinnati was like grades.

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Speaker 1: So Cincinnati was that.

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Speaker 2: One grades man, Like I was getting recruited by certain

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Speaker 2: schools that I thought I had a chance to go to.

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Speaker 2: You receiving letters from saying the Yukon's, the Kentucky's, the Illinois,

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Speaker 2: all these other schools and and but when it was

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Speaker 2: we'll make sure that you do something. It was Temple,

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Speaker 2: it was Cincinnati and and I'm sitting there John Chinning

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Speaker 2: and I remember like yesterday training like they was at

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Speaker 2: am practice, six am practiced, and I instantly lost entance,

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Speaker 2: Like I was like, man, I started playing with my niece.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not going there like that, not that early,

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Speaker 2: Like no, like that's who plays basketball at that time

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Speaker 2: in the morning. I'm like nah. Then hugs them stayed

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Speaker 2: and half my grades, Like there's a way you can

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Speaker 2: go to school and still take his tests. And so

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Speaker 2: I signed blind. I signed before I took a visit,

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Speaker 2: like you'll stay with me, work with me.

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Speaker 1: I'm like your class though, like your that ninety six class,

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Speaker 1: like the guys that's in like Kobe Jamaine O'Nails like

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Speaker 1: the point where he was like, oh, man, I feel

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Speaker 1: them guys, was always above you. But like when you

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Speaker 2: Man, I had no idea, Like I said, I lucked

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Speaker 2: up and got on an AAU team bro got an

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Speaker 2: invitation to go to facts, got an invitation to go

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Speaker 2: to ABCD before my senior in high school. Right, we

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Speaker 2: throw it out of. I ain't got no money for

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Speaker 2: no plane ticket. You know how I got the Newark man,

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Speaker 2: I got the jersey called a greyhound dog.

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Speaker 1: He called a greyhound, already called a greyhound.

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Speaker 2: To go to ABCD, man, like twenty two hours on

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Speaker 2: a bus, I'm six or eight on a greyhound bus. Dog.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying, yeah, go to ABCD. I show up.

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Speaker 2: I don't know none of these dudes they foreigned to me.

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Speaker 2: They all there, cold j O, a bunch of names.

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Speaker 2: They all in the top whatever, in the class team

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Speaker 2: holloway all they do. I don't know none of these dudes, man.

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Speaker 2: I just show up to be me. I don't I've

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Speaker 2: always played while y'all saw me. That's how I've always played.

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Speaker 2: Every time I show up, I do that. I'm blocking, dunking,

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Speaker 2: to it. So I go to ABCD, Sonny Vicarol hear

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Speaker 2: my story or whatever? He called a greyhound here, man,

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Speaker 2: Sonny got me a flight home, bro. That's like I

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Speaker 2: put notice on people like, oh, he are doing something.

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Speaker 2: So the guy who I went after with Michael Jackson,

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Speaker 2: he was a sophomore at the time, six or five.

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Speaker 2: We got a greyhound together, like I got us a

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Speaker 2: we go to ABCD and them dude starre Kobe walking

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Speaker 2: with Cole god rested. So he walking around with a

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Speaker 2: following him around all. I'm like, this dude number one

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Speaker 2: playing y'all class, I'm like, what class are y'all talking about?

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Speaker 2: Y'all got us going to sit in these classes taking

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Speaker 2: these notes. It's like he always present, like.

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Speaker 1: You thought it was a real class.

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Speaker 2: This is facts, man. Like dudes from my neighborhood said

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Speaker 2: They practice after the au practice, Dude, Like who you

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Speaker 2: play for? I'm like, I'm going back home. What you're

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Speaker 2: talking about? He's like, well, we got a AAU team.

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Speaker 2: What is AU bro right? He like, we got practice tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: You got can you come back?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 2: I ain't got no way out here? There was that

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Speaker 2: been out there, collon count It's far never been out there. Like,

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Speaker 2: can you come back? Like get me ride? Like yeah,

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Speaker 2: but school you go to I'm in between schools. This

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Speaker 2: is all new, So now go ABCD. It's all foreign.

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Speaker 1: Man because I ain't heard about AAU to ninety eight.

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Speaker 2: All foreigner, all foreign I go to Cincinnati, husband, stay

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Speaker 2: with me. I show up in ninety six. Continue to

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Speaker 2: take my tests. I'm enrolling in school. Continue to take

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Speaker 2: my test. I found out I got eligible on my birthday,

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Speaker 2: my freshm year man December thirtieth. Found out I got

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Speaker 2: l's on my birthday. The team was in Puerto Rico

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Speaker 2: playing in the tournament. I didn't get to go because

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Speaker 2: I went L I couldn't I could work out, but

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Speaker 1: So what was that?

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Speaker 2: Like? Hell? Like you just had to just you could

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Speaker 2: practice and work couldn't even practice with the team. Though

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Speaker 2: you work out, work out. So when I first got cincinment,

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Speaker 2: I graduated high school. Though I left Cincinnati too. I

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Speaker 2: left Dallas two weeks after I graduated. I went to

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati like Hudson. Then I graduated high school. Like he

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Speaker 2: A t And because I hadn't have had my testco yet,

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Speaker 2: he can still prepare. We got him to the form

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Speaker 2: and you just working out, just doing that. And that

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Speaker 2: was during the summer. The team left to go to

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Speaker 2: some tournament in Europe. I went home, man, homesick. They

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Speaker 2: had a little summer job for us. When I said

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Speaker 2: up enough money, man, they was gone. I left. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I was listen. I could practice. Now, I

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Speaker 2: it was. It was fun at first man because I couldn't.

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Speaker 2: Shot from the free throw line as a freshman, Dog,

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Speaker 2: I none of that. I play you athletic I was

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Speaker 2: Absolutely Huggs's job. Like they don't got to get into that.

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Speaker 1: But like just like them, how hard was them Bobby

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Speaker 2: Keep playing man. So you know how these dudes get hit?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, so okay, what you what

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Speaker 2: Just inquired about the draft after my junior year. This freshman,

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Speaker 2: we need to see more for him offensively. I'm on

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Speaker 2: So you know, they just bring people out to field

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Speaker 1: But it's a good look to go anyway.

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Speaker 2: Right I go. He didn't need that. I felt I

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Speaker 2: Me and pe Mike could go together. We both make

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Speaker 2: I'm everywhere. I'm that always being show up. Do that

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Speaker 2: players in college basketball and scoring and rebounding. It was

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Speaker 2: how to get it now. Man, I went in daily, daily, nothing.

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Speaker 2: I probably didn't touch the rim, dunky wise, everything I did, Man,

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Speaker 3: From perspective of being in the same conference from one

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Speaker 2: I never thought I never I never looked at him

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Speaker 2: like scoring aspect. I just like, okay, you give me

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Speaker 2: the ball around the rim. I knew what to do

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Speaker 2: with it. Huggs told me to listen, perfect this left

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Speaker 2: Like I used to be the swing guy in our offense.

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Speaker 2: You swing, I'm at the top of the key they swinging.

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Speaker 1: When did you become the leader you was? Because I

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Speaker 1: When did you become a leader in them years to

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Speaker 2: It was it was hugs man like, he let me

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Speaker 2: but he let me be me and front. It's just

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Speaker 2: like y'all, I bring it in listen, you mother got

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Speaker 2: You got it. Dudes get a lot of line in practice.

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Speaker 2: every year of Cincinnati. I probably shouldn't, but I put

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Speaker 1: So once you became the leader, really was.

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Speaker 2: This what it was. It's gonna be this where we're

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Speaker 1: Then you definitely played like us. Every time we go play,

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Speaker 1: a fight. It's a fight. At some point in.

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Speaker 2: The game, you know it's gonna be too much.

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Speaker 3: You already know because because they were playing how they

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Speaker 2: Backing down where you're all from.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, We like hold on like

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Speaker 2: We all like, y'all from the right and we get

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Speaker 2: it's it's a lifestyle like the gold and Lyft weights.

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Speaker 2: It's a lifestyle. If you don't do it, you looked

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Speaker 2: at like you why you ain't lifting, dude, what's wrong

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Speaker 2: with you? So once you get that and you start

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Speaker 2: seeing the results, Oh we're trying to bully everybody.

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Speaker 3: Listen, look at it. Plus, I mean, I get it.

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Speaker 3: We was arrogant. We came in. We had a little

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Speaker 3: I was really looking at everybody like like what I'm

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Speaker 3: first game out the date, Like I'm sitting here chilling

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Speaker 3: the whole preseason. They going through this point gu on

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Speaker 3: like it's been we were four and something the year before.

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Speaker 2: It's really nothing. It's nothing for me to.

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Speaker 1: Prove that popcorn pop first game I had like thirty

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Speaker 3: He was looking at me like, yo, like you you

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Speaker 3: when it's time were about to go, like you got.

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Speaker 2: Killers in this room with you, so peep this. He

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Speaker 2: was there the game that I think got me drafted. Um,

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Speaker 2: I had a great senior year, great great senior year.

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Speaker 2: One game, one game alone, I think got me drafted.

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00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 2: Numb on We at the Paul We down seventeen his

430
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 2: sophomore year. They season now, they they got the year

431
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 2: under they belt, they playing great, they they they they're

432
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 2: there now they jump on us. They're up seventeen.

433
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: Time out, y'all ran like number two at.

434
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 2: This Yes, absolutely, yeah, it was right. Number two Huggs

435
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 2: called time out. This is what he's saying the timeout.

436
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 2: And let me tell you what I heard during the timeout.

437
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: He like, don't nobody shooting unlets Kenyon touch it first.

438
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: So what in basketball terms is we're gonna play through Kenyon.

439
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 2: He got to touch it first before anybody else shooting. Right,

440
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 2: I heard shoot it every time. Fucker lost his mind.

441
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: I scored seventeen straight. They up seventeen. Yeah, I scored

442
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: seventeen straight. Bro block on one end, rebound, score block,

443
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 2: score block rebound score score. They missed somebody else get

444
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 2: the rebound score and it was it wasn't just like

445
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 2: one variety. Yeah too, listen man, that game and that

446
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: game I think number one, Like.

447
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: Oh no, bro, you gotta understand.

448
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 3: First of all, it was like at this point, like

449
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 3: you say, like it was a lot of lot of

450
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 3: potential picks in that game, like the scouts was said

451
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: all plays is not it was it was up in.

452
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 2: There tomorrow, can it out the field? Pete, Michael, last, Bobby,

453
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: like Steven so just magic fierce and like we was

454
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: frozen at that one game. You already know they had

455
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 2: man listen every time we played and it didn't matter.

456
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 2: I think that game now, that game was that the

457
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: was out at the all. It was because I remember

458
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: because I threw it.

459
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 3: I threw the bullsh up at the end and when

460
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 3: it was it was like a half second after the

461
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 3: bus went in.

462
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 2: I said crazy, like I said, ibsoluted, but they jumped

463
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: on us and so Jermaine take it to steal. He

464
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: passed me. I'm dripped up. I give it to d J,

465
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 2: and DJ helded me a little bit. DJ stopped like

466
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 2: I'm like shoot it. So we asked me at the game,

467
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: he like, why you hesitate? He like, I wasn't sure

468
00:24:55,080 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 2: if can touched it first, and like I passed it

469
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: it to you, like you made the game when he shot.

470
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying with the little jumper, Why

471
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: for the life of me, I don't know why you

472
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: ain't going for the layup. That's how arrogant you are.

473
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: You that good of a score where you pull up

474
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,239
Speaker 2: for like an eleventh foot, like a real mini Like

475
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 2: it's like that kd MIDI like you pull up. You're like,

476
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, why you didn't go for the layup?

477
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 2: I got that. I was like, okay, But that was

478
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: the game, man, like we played it like it was.

479
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: It was a good It was that.

480
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. The us A Conference when

481
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: you got there as a freshman, it wasn't the same conference.

482
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 2: That you was.

483
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: It was when you was a singior. Like a lot

484
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: of guys came from the Larry Hughes, them boys down

485
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: in Charlotte. Them boys was nice, too young, and all

486
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: them boys.

487
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 2: Like Charlotte.

488
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: You can't tell for them four years that you was there.

489
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: You can tell from when you first got into the

490
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: conference where it was just a guy to coming out

491
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: the whole conference that might get picked to go in

492
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: the league or the first round. So now it's guys in

493
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: every team. How was it to see the USA Conference

494
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: change from that, not only change from that, to be

495
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: one of them powerhouse conference and have the national player

496
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: of the year come out there, car You.

497
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: Know, it's always looked at like who want to play

498
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 2: in that? You know what I'm saying, Like it was

499
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: always looked at as that, but to be like mentioned

500
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: with these we wanted to smoke. You know what we

501
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: wanted all smoked, Like teams wouldn't play us. We want

502
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: to play the Kentucky's, the Syracuse, the Yukon's like and

503
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: when we played these teams like we brought it to

504
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: the doorstep like we were like I played I'm one

505
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: and on August Caroline, I'm one and on against Duke

506
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: like I'm like, when we got the chance putting foot

507
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: the ass man, we want to smoke. So we wanted

508
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: them dudes to know, man like we're here and to

509
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 2: be mentioned. And now we got like like you said,

510
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: there now national player, you guy like you come in

511
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: like player in the conference. Every double dobe as a

512
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: friend like Damar coming in. Everybody could have went to

513
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 2: the league coming in like, so now we putting it

514
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: on the map. So it meant something. It meant something

515
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: to go to that man and to be at like

516
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: and to be the the forefront of that in Cincinnati,

517
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like that that set the

518
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 2: president for a lot of teams like they there and

519
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: a lot of and then them dudes went there. Sure

520
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: we can go hooping this conference, man, Like, it ain't

521
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 2: a bad conference.

522
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: So how was.

523
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 3: It for you to be you know, like you said

524
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: that senior year you thene came from from fighting to

525
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: get your eligibility to becoming now you like the national player.

526
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 3: The year your team top two teams in the country,

527
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 3: about to be a number one seed, you break your lit.

528
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 3: I remember being at the tournament and you know what

529
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 3: I'm saying, We watching the games and I'm like, what

530
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: like when they really announced that's what's going on? Like

531
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: if we saw, you know, you get hurt? Whatever, we didn't.

532
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 3: We didn't think it was gonna be that. How was

533
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 3: that for you and your mind? Like all of this,

534
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying, this is it like

535
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 3: this tournament time, Like how was that for you when

536
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 3: that happened?

537
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: One word? Shit, it was devastating, like you said, it

538
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: was like everything up to that point like flash before,

539
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: like my childhood, like the eligibility stuff like all of that.

540
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: And when Huggs came on the floor, when I didn't

541
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: get up because you know, always get up, you know me,

542
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 2: like you know, I'm tough as nails, like I always

543
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: get up, and he said when I didn't get up,

544
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 2: like he knew something was wrong, and he came out there,

545
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: and all I kept saying, man, was not now, That's

546
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: all I just kept repeating, Man, not now.

547
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 4: Man.

548
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: It didn't register like it's the first game of the

549
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: conference tournament like and I'm like, just right what nah,

550
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: this can't be man, this can't be like not right now. Man,

551
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: He's just like he's it's gonna going to back. And

552
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: it wasn't just like people here like he broke his leg,

553
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: he broke his leg, he broke his leg. I'm like, yeah,

554
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: I broke my leg, but I tore the ligaments in

555
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: my ankle. So that was the that was the thing.

556
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: But cool, But what took so long for me to

557
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: come back? And all that like, I tore the ligaments

558
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: in my ankle. So people don't know, Like, if you're

559
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: not in the medical fielding, you wouldn't know this. Your

560
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: ligaments wrap around your bone, right, So when I taught

561
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: my ligaments, it was just wrapped around your fibula, which

562
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: is a small bone. So it popped it. It's like

563
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: a vibration, so when you hit something, you know the

564
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: vibrators and you gotta so yeah, so pop pop, right,

565
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: So that's what happened to my bone. But people just

566
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: say he broke his leg. No, I tore the ligaments

567
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: of my ankle. They had to put a screw in

568
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: my ankle, right that. So I go to the hospital

569
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: all that. Listen, ge I go to the hospital. Man, listen,

570
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: Y'll hurry up, man, like I'm trying to get I'm

571
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: trying to get back to the game. I got to

572
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 2: show my guys. I'm good. Like, hurry up, I'm rushing

573
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: the people at the hospital. Man, I'm done. But do

574
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,959
Speaker 2: what y'all put the cast on this, bitch. Man, let's go,

575
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: let's go. I'm like, I get I go back to

576
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: the game. Dog, I go back to the arena. Watch

577
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: some dudes lose to Saint Louis. Man, we just beat

578
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: Saint Louis on senior day about forty, like three days ago,

579
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: just beat them about forty. I asked d that man,

580
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: what the hell was y'all? Man? We can't play? I heard,

581
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: we can't go out hend and compete like like like

582
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: the Big Brother, Like the big Brother went to prison,

583
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: like we ain't like it ain't the same.

584
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: How was how was your mental when you the draft process?

585
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: Because I remember seeing you in Orlando when I think

586
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: it was me, Mike Miller, somebody else working out DJ

587
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: just seeing like the guys and the guys that they run,

588
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: because I to me, like I watched your senior you

589
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: was clear cut post have been the number one player.

590
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: It was only if because you got hurt, like, oh man,

591
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: we might not pick him number one because we don't

592
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: know how and that too, you know what I'm saying. Like,

593
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: but clean, clear cut the season you had like you

594
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: look like a pro. You was strong enough, you was

595
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: big enough, you was athletic enough to go straight in

596
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: and like more than anybody. But when you got hurt,

597
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: like how was that to just see you know, still

598
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: go and visit these teams and see these guys like

599
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: us and Mike Millan, you know all these guys. How

600
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: was that process too?

601
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: It was eye opening?

602
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you sit back and see that another thing.

603
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like he did all of this, but

604
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: they're still looking at me like he ain't like you're

605
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: hearing it. I'm here. They ain't gonna be the same.

606
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 2: Ain't gonn jump the same? He ain't that. I'm like, okay,

607
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: as soon as I get this, as soon as I

608
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: get this boot off, as soon as I do this,

609
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: as soon as I can. But it wasn't. It wasn't easy, man,

610
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: And to hear it and then like these are facts,

611
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: like the net was going take you though, like I

612
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: don't know if you notice. Okay, they were gonna take.

613
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: You, they believe.

614
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, they were thinking about taking you

615
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: because of the age and my injury all that like,

616
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: and I was like I was agitated. Should have been

617
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like from high school, I did dare him

618
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: like he can't do what I do. He ain't there, see,

619
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: But I was like, but so, what what was the

620
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: the the relaxing moment in all of it. Stu Jackson

621
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: told me I went to visit Vancouver. He was like, listen,

622
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: if the Nets do something stupid by not taking you,

623
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: you got you, you won't get past too. Yeah, so

624
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: when they think about taking you, I said, please think him.

625
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, dude. Me getting drafted was the furthest

626
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: thing for my imagination as a kid. And when I

627
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: got the Cincinnatia, I didn't grow up dream to play

628
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: in the NBA. Dog, this is a dream. So I'm

629
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: hearing to be potentially the number one, and if not

630
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: the number one, number two, pick let's get it.

631
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: How did it feel to finally hear your name number one?

632
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: Pick New Jersey next? Kenyon one?

633
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: Like?

634
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: How did that feel?

635
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: Like?

636
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: From like I did?

637
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: It?

638
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: Was it a flashback and all the shit that you'd

639
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: have been through in the direction?

640
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: Man, my head just put my head on the table, bro,

641
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: Like we all grew up. You grew up in chicag

642
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: you grew up in Saint Louis, We all grew up

643
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: in an environment man, in a way that like you know,

644
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: you know, man, a lot of people don't make it

645
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: out a lot of people don't have success stories. A

646
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: lot of people don't don't get regular job nine to

647
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: five to take care of themselves. And me and my mom.

648
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: My mom never had a car, mom never had a house.

649
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: My mom may never owned anything up to that point,

650
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: brou except her name. And for me, in that moment, Bro,

651
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: for me like like you how to say, like they

652
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 2: lifted the world off your shoulders, lifted the world off

653
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: my shoulders, Bro, Like in that moment, and from then

654
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: and then the injury, the childhood, the test scored, the

655
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: father there it was like like I'm crying on the interview, y'all, man,

656
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: go back, you real, like it's real, like dog, you know,

657
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: the most money I had seen up to that point,

658
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: pail grant money. Dog give us seven hundred dollars and

659
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: then another eighteen seventy five dog total twenty five hundred dollars,

660
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: and that's the most money I had ever seen. And

661
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: you get drafted and like it changes, like in that moment,

662
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: it changes and it's like like you can exhale, but

663
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: now it's time to go to work.

664
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: I definitely feel like you you know, everybody want to

665
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: be the number one pick, and everybody won't to be picked.

666
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: But I definitely felt like it wouldn't even been a

667
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: question if you wouldn't have got hurt. It wouldn't even

668
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: been thought of because like, man, like I keep on saying, like, man,

669
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: it's just that that year you had and just how

670
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 1: you inted out. Man, you seem more mature, you seem

671
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: more ready. You seen more than anybody in our draft.

672
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 3: But see, it was that it was that period where

673
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: you know, the culture was the high school kid.

674
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: That's when y'all was thriving.

675
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: The six nine six say sixteen, long lengthy that could dribble,

676
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 3: that could like they was looking for the next kg

677
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 3: T Matt Kobe. That was the hot lean there. That's

678
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: what made you so interesting. You went like wild fucker.

679
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 3: You remember you called me. He called me, like, bro,

680
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 3: what should I do? I said, Bro, you top I

681
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: have on every month draft there he is like when

682
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: he's talking about are you stupid? He came on to

683
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 3: visit the DeepArt was like, yeah, we're gonna go kick it,

684
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: but you ain't going here.

685
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: I'm surprised DJ came. Yeah, I was. They supposed to leave.

686
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: It's a junior j.

687
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: Camp because they said he had to get stronger. Like

688
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: that's the only reason he came. They said he's not

689
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: physically ready to play.

690
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: I wasn't supposed to be there after my first year.

691
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 3: I was supposed to going They picked that whole draft

692
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 3: like you went first, he went third.

693
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: I was sitting back there like that. Going back there

694
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: as a sophomore is what I want to know. That's what.

695
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: That's what was. The conference fresh Year is the funniest

696
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: thing ever, Bro. Every award I went up to to

697
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: get Coming Year Freshman, the year m v P conference

698
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: a freshman was like, we just keep you up there.

699
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: He has a double double plenty year freshman year, New Comedy,

700
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: all this stuff in the conference and I'm like wondering,

701
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: like what the hell is boy doing?

702
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: Went back So I didn'tunderstand I'm coming back either, but

703
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: you know it was him and his homeboys. Good. I was,

704
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: I'm taking a cut.

705
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 2: He was taking the pay cut, going to.

706
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 3: The listen, listen, I'm born in Bridgshot time, man, I

707
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 3: felt like it was Sammy Sosa, then me they had retired.

708
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: It was Sammy Sosa.

709
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: Then we was the biggest thing in Shot stayed home, Bro.

710
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: I was on a couple of the ESPN zon I

711
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: was on flag poles all the way down the block

712
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 3: with the pen heads.

713
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: I was, I was demanding them there what with the crib.

714
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: I'm with you, man, you I can imagine the field.

715
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: I can only imagine the fielding. Boy, but listen because

716
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: you listen. As we know, actually as I got hurt,

717
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: my senior and we know that she could have listened. Hey, no, no,

718
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: it was It was one of them things, man, just

719
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: to be there and be around all that, and and

720
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: the gold number one and then.

721
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: In Minnesota the Prince Club as the part of that.

722
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: And so I understand that we're moving the last draft

723
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 2: that hasn't been in New York City. We all understand that.

724
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: Y'all understand that we're the last draft not to be

725
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: in New York City. Well guess what, Well, I went

726
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: to New York the next day. So so I do

727
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 2: what my first time on the private XEP. But we

728
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 2: was like, I was like, hey, now all doing the

729
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: photo shoots at the draft. I'm like, Yo, this is

730
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: finna be And I'm like yo, yeah, but yeah we

731
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: show up man Jersey them years. Man, I'm like, but

732
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: getting drafted, man, was was that moment for me? It

733
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: was it was the It was probably the people asked

734
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: me about my career, what was the best moment of

735
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: my career? And I say draft day, like by far,

736
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 2: it wasn't it's not even it's not even close. Anything

737
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: else after that point was it was icing on fucking Sunday.

738
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 2: I'm saying everything else that's that's toppings. Yeah, I got

739
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: we're here.

740
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: Because like when you think about it when we're growing up,

741
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: that's the vision you see annually every single year. Don't

742
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 3: matter like you might miss this, you might be like

743
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 3: even if you you're gonna know the draft, who got drafted?

744
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: What was one one pick?

745
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 3: Every time, you're gonna know that, you might miss the

746
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 3: whole rest of jer you're gonna know who the number

747
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 3: one pick is.

748
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: No man for that to happen, bro and like and honestly,

749
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: I didn't even want to go to New Jersey. I

750
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 2: didn't want to go to the next man. It was bad.

751
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: Like that was even worse. Get that is true, like

752
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: so all three of the two.

753
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: So what was in the making was what I was

754
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: hearing was Orlando was trying to trade get the number

755
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 2: one pick. You know they had five teen team.

756
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: Mike Millan up, so he was.

757
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 2: Trying to package that up. And you know they just

758
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: signed Tracy and Grant. I'm thinking that Grant man let's go.

759
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: Of course that didn't work out, and I'm batting these guys, man,

760
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: And it was it was.

761
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: I I wanted Houston to move up for me. I

762
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: wanted to play with Rudy te Man. I seen like

763
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: Steve friends them out there, they playing all ice. So

764
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: I did some of that.

765
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: So you're just trying to hiss it across all day.

766
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: He's trying to left and right all day.

767
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: Tell me, how was it when you get to when

768
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: you get to New Jersey and you you get with

769
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: that team, how did you feel like you fit in

770
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 3: right away?

771
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: You took off? You know what I'm saying.

772
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: Obviously you got Jay kidds like step first, that's right,

773
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: step first, that's right, that's right.

774
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: Y'all had a nasty one two points.

775
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: So either way it was Steph. But me and Steph

776
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: didn't mess well for other reasons. But it was like

777
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 2: my rookie year, man. You know, I came in like

778
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: like like like this said, man, I came in with

779
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: that was my two already, like I was. I didn't

780
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: behave like a rookie. Yeah, I'm saying like from my upbringing,

781
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: the thing I had been through, I wasn't in awe

782
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: of nothing. I showed up dy hoop, I want to

783
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: hoop man like you wasn't like most of us coming

784
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: in were teenagers. Plus yeah, I was twenty two. So

785
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: it was like, let's go and so and I had

786
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 2: real vets like I had like Johnny Newman, I had Sherman,

787
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: Douglas Lucius, Harris Lucious, I had like like So I

788
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 2: learned a lot man from them dudes, and then just

789
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: certain things, certain situations watching them dudes handle business and

790
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: do certain things care briefcases and always on the farm

791
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 2: like what doing man? So I want who like I'm

792
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: at the hoo. So we won twenty six games I got.

793
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 2: Actually I broke my leg again in March, our rookie year,

794
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: Like I think that that's why I didn't Mike Miller

795
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: that Orlando went like, right, you want a rookie year.

796
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: But I came in second. And I got hurt in

797
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: March playing Boston mil Plazi or trying to steal the

798
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 2: ball from behind him and need me and my break

799
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: my legs, same bone, different spot, almost a year to

800
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 2: the date, almost a year to the date. So that happened, rookie.

801
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: My rookie year finished that out that summer, I go

802
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 2: and get in the lab all that I'm at the Rucker.

803
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: I'm just watching. I ain't playing them at the Ruker

804
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: watching phone ringing, ring and ringing. They called my Sizings

805
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: like Brad like, yo, come here. I'm like what they

806
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: just traded Steph. I'm like, I'm like, He's like, no,

807
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: they just traded Steph for Jake Kids. I said, what

808
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: mm hmm, get out J Kidd like straight up. I

809
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: was like, straight up trade J Kidd and stuff on.

810
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: Like I'm I'm gonna like get J Kidd.

811
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: Boy.

812
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 2: You know I'm from Dallas. You got drafted to Dallas.

813
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: Like I'm there when they three Jay's like this is

814
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: oh yeah, so I'm in the ar. I'm like, oh,

815
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: they just Tradkid.

816
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: If I ever was jealous of you, I was jealous

817
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: because you had J kidds. The way he used to

818
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: throw them lives off the backboard, like like he threw

819
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: the balls that you used to always just holler at

820
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: the point going like, man, just throw it. You know

821
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like he threw them ball like how

822
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: was it like his pace? How he pushed it, the

823
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: way the style of play, the leadership, Like, how was

824
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: that he didn't.

825
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 2: Have to leave me. You gotta leave me. I'm right

826
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 2: right there with you straight up. You run fast, I

827
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: run faster. You run through that wall. I'm gonna beat

828
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 2: you too. I'm every like like we never like. People

829
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: don't understand that. We never had a conversation on how

830
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: we were gonna play like do this. Never, It was

831
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: just all instinctual reading. He is who he is internally.

832
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: I am who I am internally. And it worked like

833
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: he everyworked defensively, I'm everywhere defensively. He's smart as hell

834
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: as basketball player. I'm smart as hell as basketball player.

835
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 2: It just worked.

836
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: Don't you to one MVP?

837
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we won fifty two games my second year, like

838
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: we won twenty six rookie year to fifty two the

839
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: second year.

840
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was the one biggest difference. And take

841
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: you out to the chip.

842
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: We we got swept, but we made it to the

843
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: MV That don't matter. Else don't matter matter, it's regular season,

844
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 2: don't with our win total definitely double Okay. We drafted

845
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: r J he was a rookie. We drafted Jameson Cook,

846
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 2: but Jake Kidd was that changed everything and we dad

847
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: is him me?

848
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: Carrey looked like it was How was there to be

849
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: like in your second year to be on that stage.

850
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 1: You you know, you in New Jersey.

851
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 3: It ain't New York, but you know it's still the

852
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 3: East Coast, Big Hughes Market, and y'all had it.

853
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: Y'all had it jumping. We went from being the worst

854
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: to like we're in the playoffs this y'all and it

855
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: was like y'all had a crowd in the presence.

856
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 2: Then I ain't no nothing different like my rookie year

857
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: that know us like all that losing, like you know,

858
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: I'm coming from there. We went in twenty twenty six,

859
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 2: twenty seven games and losing three fourth games. Every year

860
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm winning program. Losing foreign to me though, Yeah, So

861
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: my rookie year, I was like, I don't like this.

862
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: Always played the same way. So now it's going second year,

863
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: now we winning regularly. It's like this now this is

864
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 2: a better feeling here. How was it?

865
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 3: How was it to experience that you know that that

866
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 3: finals and your that you know to play against the

867
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 3: year second year and you're playing against Shaq and Kobe

868
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 3: in the finals like you just was watching them on

869
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 3: the big screen.

870
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 2: The year before in the finals. Exactly. It was surreal,

871
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: just like I remember Game one walking out and stable

872
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 2: set at the time, like walking out and how bright

873
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: it was.

874
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: You gotta see y'all.

875
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: You know, you know, normally you're going to the regular

876
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: the regular games. It ain't it don't look like that.

877
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 2: But they got all of this, and it's like I'm

878
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: looking at getting ready for your pregame warm.

879
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: Up on the chairs.

880
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: Everything I'm going on absorbing this. Go out and you

881
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: don't play that well game one because you you play okay,

882
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: but you don't play that well in game one. Then

883
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: you go game two, you play better. It's like, okay,

884
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 2: this we're here. Now we're down. Now we're down two games, Okay,

885
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: going home. I play better in game three, just individually

886
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: as a team, we play better, but still lose. Now

887
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: we're down three games. We're not getting swept. Like this

888
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: ain't gonna happen. Whatever I gotta do, we ain't getting swept.

889
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: I come out, come out game four. So I got

890
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: better every game. So Game four, I come out first

891
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 2: quarter on tear seventeen in the first like we're going

892
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: back and forth, we up, they up, back and forth,

893
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: back and forth. Back and forth. Of course they end

894
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: up winning at thirty five for the game. And it's

895
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: too much, man, too much. Like that's when I like

896
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: you talking about And that's why I like watching the

897
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 2: game now and watching just other things and people add

898
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 2: I have these conversations with people like people like, who's

899
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 2: the one player that could play in kill O'Neil man,

900
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: We don't understand it. Man, y'all seen this picture that

901
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: circulated with.

902
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 3: On everybody our team is in the picture, the whole five.

903
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 3: He the only one in the picture like this. He

904
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 3: got Anne Williams, Jersey, Keith and Horn behind Lucia standing there,

905
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 3: Jay Kidd looking bout and I'm swiping.

906
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: I'm jumped. I'm thinking Fina cock it back right like

907
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: he normally do. I'm swiping from behind. Yeah, of course

908
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: I missed it because he didn't bring it all the

909
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: way back he hooked. Yeah, it's the best, one of

910
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: the best pictures in sports history. Man.

911
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: And I say that about ship Man Shack. I never

912
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: seen a dominant player like that.

913
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: I never will.

914
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: Like, that's crazy, how dom and I hate to be

915
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: because like is like my guy, you know, they say,

916
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, he got an exact Shack. But I'm saying

917
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: that that Lakers shat a young Shack the last Yeah, Shaq.

918
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: Learned from it. You don't understand. Man like people don't

919
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 2: have no they think they say Joe L and B dominant. Yeah,

920
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 2: no disrespect, no disrespect. All his skill set is amazing, amazing.

921
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: That dude. They'll follow out, they fout he gonna saw.

922
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: The most recent thing is like the owner, like the

923
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 2: Rudy that statement, like Rudy, god man, you better stop

924
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: for one. You should have put the laughing emotion after that.

925
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 2: These are just jokes. No one needs this for real.

926
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 2: You didn't stand a chance at all. Go ask good listen,

927
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: he should go ask Keith class, go ask him just

928
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: like Keith, and you stand a chance because he beat up.

929
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 2: He manhandled Wonder's physically strong David Robinson. He manned everybody. Listen,

930
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 2: let me throw that thing in the postman. What you're

931
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: gonna but you're gonna either you gonna double me or not,

932
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna wait to see then if you.

933
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: Don't, you gotta double them though, because he'll score every time.

934
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: Just the people and you put in like real perspective and.

935
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 1: He got coldd that's what the deal. He beats you

936
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: up all game and then the last two minutes if

937
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 1: it's close, he got.

938
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 2: Willing passes, Yeah, willing, very willing passer, decent passes.

939
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: For all the doors. Listen, listen, man, And it hurt

940
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: when you bump into it.

941
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: So so so so so so who's dunked on shack?

942
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 1: I tip tip.

943
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 2: Straight up? You see him coming, So it was one

944
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: that's that's the only one. So he used to turn.

945
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: So of course we all didn't try you me athletic guys, all, no, no,

946
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: hen'll knew that. He put his hands straight up in

947
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: the air, yeah, and turn his body this way into you.

948
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: And mcgetti felt they're gona knock the win at you

949
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: because it hurt.

950
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 2: Listen, and you have one thing you would not do.

951
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: Let's try it again at all listen. Took your whole

952
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 2: out of tip. Absolutely, he don't see you coming. You

953
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: catch him off, catch him like this way, see that

954
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: man coming, and he didn't know it ain't happening, man, Listen.

955
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: Now we had then had god man, listen, bean was listening.

956
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: We already know you throw it, say so pick your poison.

957
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: So we got to dope him. Now you're forced to

958
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: play being.

959
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: One on one curtains, it's gonna hit you with the.

960
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: And now we know we're scrambling, like, okay, you might

961
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 2: do a decent job on being now shack throwing that

962
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 2: thing around now. Derek Fisher is five for eight from three,

963
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: Robert Orr four for four for seven.

964
00:51:58,800 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: That is a big one.

965
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: That in George three for four from three, because it's

966
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: just it's like, what do you do?

967
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 3: Tell me this the difference between like year one and

968
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 3: two were all there at the All Star Game and

969
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 3: the rookie Sophomore game kicking and having a good time.

970
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: You know, we all represent year four. You make the

971
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: real All Star Game. Tell me the different vibes from.

972
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 3: That, Like from when you there as the you know,

973
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 3: the rookie, the little junior game, the little junior game,

974
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 3: and then you.

975
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: Get to make that big game. You walk in that

976
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: room with all of them dudes, just the who's who

977
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: are the guys? Are the guys? Like what's that feeling?

978
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: Like I should have been a year before, so I

979
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 2: felt ship about time. But but it's to see them dudes.

980
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 2: Man in two, like you watch this like you watch

981
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: like this is the you the band you got, I

982
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: got buckets. I had my point guard. So it's like

983
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: I asked him how because he's been in multiple up

984
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 2: to that point, I'm like, how I need to approach it,

985
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: like hey, this be you? So don't play like dudes,

986
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 2: don't play like no, be you. I'm like, all right, cool.

987
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to do what I was supposed

988
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: to do. But having him there, you know, he coming down,

989
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: it was an exciting no I'm gonna be I'm not,

990
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: but it was like it was that finals moment. It

991
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 2: was like that first it was that first finals game,

992
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 2: all out there and this like I was more nervous

993
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: probably and that than I was for the finals.

994
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: Mike was there.

995
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, I was more nervous for that man

996
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: then then because it was like this is supposed.

997
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: To like Michael, it was.

998
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 2: Four the three. It was in Atlanta, that was and

999
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 2: I put on the team because it was in Atlanta

1000
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 2: and they need a representative. Were number one team in

1001
00:53:58,880 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 2: the conference.

1002
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: Man was almost identical third and for a year.

1003
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: So tell me the story.

1004
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: I heard that they made you stop doing this when

1005
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: you used to turn into the badass yellow boy and

1006
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 1: you used to you know, what I'm saying. You used

1007
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: to dunk that thing and rip that journey and show

1008
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: like the badass yellow boy. I used to love that

1009
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: all the time.

1010
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: Like they say, did they say something to you? Find

1011
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: because they find out what it said, Like once I

1012
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: didn't sports illustrate the cover and they read it then.

1013
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 1: But your tattoo actually said yellow boy? What was wrong

1014
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: with badass yellow boy?

1015
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 2: You know it's control You know what I'm saying, it's

1016
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 2: no individuality thing.

1017
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: Do that.

1018
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 2: That was just like they didn't want it. You had

1019
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: to let them know. But then KG doing it ain't

1020
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: no problem.

1021
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah he yeah, but.

1022
00:54:53,600 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: Nobody know what they saying. Nobody. Don't nobody know that saying?

1023
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 2: You know it was that. No, No, they told me

1024
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 2: they was gonna find me if I did it.

1025
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: If you did it again, Oh man, that was a

1026
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: movie right there.

1027
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 2: And again you know, if it depends on who he

1028
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 2: was playing or what the situation was or the worth,

1029
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: I give it to him, you I give it to you.

1030
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 5: It was that.

1031
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 2: Man.

1032
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: What what year did you you feel that you was

1033
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 1: like one of the most elite defenders at your position

1034
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: and not just at your position in the league because

1035
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: you switched on guards and everything. But what year did

1036
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: you feel like, Man, I should be making these all

1037
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: defensive teams. I should be from the beginning, to be

1038
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: honest with you, league defender because you know you the

1039
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: guys that go the best guy in it. You in

1040
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: the era of the power forward was like probably the

1041
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 1: most dominant position at the time.

1042
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 2: Never made all defense team. Bro, what year did you

1043
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 2: feel that you look at just look at it, man,

1044
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: you're in, You're out. Don't from day one? Who did

1045
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 2: not guard? What I'm saying? Who didn't not guard? We

1046
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 2: come out of timeout, they tell you you know you

1047
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: got a I. I gotta go chase Reggie around. I

1048
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: gotta go bang with the Davis boys. I gotta go

1049
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 2: guard LJ. I gotta chase Alan Houston and Spree Whale

1050
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 2: around dog. I gotta guard El and I gotta guard you.

1051
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 2: I gotta go you. Dude, who switch to pick and roll?

1052
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 2: C P got him? Yeah, Pageer coming off? Chase him around?

1053
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 4: You?

1054
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: Who who.

1055
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 4: Listen?

1056
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 2: And it bothers me because you listen. You line them up? Listen,

1057
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 2: line them up. You played against me, You play against me.

1058
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 2: You played against me, Bro, listened up, Line all of

1059
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: them up. Hall of famers or not line them up

1060
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 2: and you all when that night when you had to

1061
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: play against Kenyon Lee Martin Senior.

1062
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: Man bringing that heat, what was it? I want to

1063
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: know what was it?

1064
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: Man? What was the approach? What did you think was?

1065
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 2: How did it go? You definitely do better? You better

1066
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: because and it's like I look at man, I right now,

1067
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,959
Speaker 2: I've never played one possession against Luca Dogs, not one.

1068
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: And I can tell you what he liked to do,

1069
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 2: what he don't like to do that he could possibly.

1070
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: You can't do that. I'm taking that.

1071
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: Talking to my wife the other day, I'm pausing the

1072
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: game explaining to her. This is explaining y CP struggling

1073
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: right now, how they defend him, what they making him do?

1074
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 2: I did this, I do this man. You know my

1075
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 2: call me early in this rookie year. He getting ready

1076
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 2: to guard Paul Mills up his match up in the

1077
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 2: locker room right before the game. Yo, Paul Mill's up

1078
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 2: my match up?

1079
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 3: Man?

1080
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 2: What I need to do against how I need to play?

1081
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 2: Straight up? Right? Well? U c l A. Before he

1082
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: declared all that, getting ready to pay courty to get

1083
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 2: it no dispect they all team made all that. Corey

1084
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: easyguard for him. Don't let him get into your body,

1085
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 2: keep him left, make him put the ball in his

1086
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 2: left hand, don't look and make He went out and

1087
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: did exactly what I told him. He was like, that

1088
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: worked right. So just imagine me playing the Tim Duncans

1089
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: and Kobe's and Elton these dudes, man, great scores, good

1090
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 2: at their position. Man, it ain't gonna be easy.

1091
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: Oh, you take some of the way some of these guys. Yes, man,

1092
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: that's why I tell him about Kobe. What made Kobe

1093
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: so special? You take something away. He got ten other

1094
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: things that he want to do. A lot of guys

1095
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: ain't like that at all. Take their two favorite things away.

1096
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: They got a long night.

1097
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 2: And that's what made him because you know, you studying

1098
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: them and you go, you to boom kind of boom,

1099
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 2: counter you counter footwork, spin, counter, left hand off class.

1100
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard.

1101
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 2: Don't do that again, man, Yo, I didn't. Don't do

1102
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 2: that again. Man, that's disrespectful, disrespectful, man, don't do that again.

1103
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 2: They used to run a little pitch up the little

1104
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:31,439
Speaker 2: pistol play come back, I sit on it. Boom boom, boom,

1105
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 2: come off. I'm on top of the right hand.

1106
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: He do crazy one of the things I used to

1107
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: like when I used to watch you play though. It

1108
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: used to be funny and I always bug up laughing

1109
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: to like the beginning of the game or something like

1110
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: you playing against a KG or a Duncan or just anybody.

1111
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: You are hard on the swipe, and you will look

1112
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: at them just to see their reaction and to see

1113
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: the ones that get mad and the ones that just

1114
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: gonna walk to the free throw. And I used to

1115
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,040
Speaker 1: be cracking im, like, I know why you're doing.

1116
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 2: Trying to see what they temperature, taking your temperature, dog,

1117
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 2: see what it's gonna be today.

1118
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna get you mad and you're gonna be

1119
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: rough with the fellas.

1120
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 2: We're gonna or it's gonna be one of them. You ain't.

1121
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: Never used to get talking to get out of carr.

1122
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: Never he turned around way every time. Look, I used

1123
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: to hate that about it. That's why I used to.

1124
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 2: Will hit you something, How you doing? Can you?

1125
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1126
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: The whole maybe coming from a time out of something.

1127
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 2: He tell you like, hey, what's up doing today? Every

1128
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 2: Thing's good. I've been trying to like, no, we're not

1129
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 2: gonna do no like he he the one that man listen,

1130
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: that matchup may be really really concentrate on tendencies and

1131
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 2: guarding people dogs. Because I never could force him to

1132
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 2: do what I want him to do, made me meet

1133
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 2: him early free throw line, trying to force him to

1134
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 2: his spot to bigger than me, way more than me.

1135
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: You might not know, it's too much defense can talk.

1136
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: He might know about some defense stuff.

1137
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 2: Like, but for him, he made me like he's the

1138
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 2: He's the one. Yeah, Like at that so we're talking

1139
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 2: about Fords and the guys, who he's the one, Yeah,

1140
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 2: he the one.

1141
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: I used to see KG and Duncan, and I feel

1142
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: like KG took harder shots. It was like, man, you

1143
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: just that was a tough shot. I feel like Duncan

1144
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: his selection just was no, I'm shooting a high percentage.

1145
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: If you block it or if you stop it, I'm

1146
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: still going for this high percentage. Keep it here, like

1147
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,959
Speaker 1: you even kind of feed him into taking that tough

1148
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: fade away behind the backboard type. Yeah, that's the difference

1149
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: between them.

1150
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 2: This is gonna like KG for me was an easier

1151
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 2: guard to your point, like because it was that like

1152
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 2: I could make you do this because you're trying to

1153
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: get it off, like you're gonna take this shot because

1154
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 2: you're trying to get it off and Tim with this,

1155
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 2: Jim gonna get to that boom boom, we gonna dom boom,

1156
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 2: don't boom boom Like it's it's like I'm swiping that.

1157
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: You know, I'm playing at the ball all that.

1158
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: It just gotta play the game.

1159
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 2: He just he just steals, same same speed, same action.

1160
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get to this and if I make it,

1161
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 2: I make it. I miss you get your hand on it.

1162
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 2: But it's gonna be this And that was like and

1163
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 2: that was the chess match.

1164
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't understand that the game within the game.

1165
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: It's always that when you coming from where you come from,

1166
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: you know how your family grew up, the history of

1167
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: your family. To hear you finna make one hundred million dollars,

1168
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: You're Finish sign one hundred million dollar contract the Martin

1169
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: family Kenyan Martin Finish signed a one hundred million dollar contract, Like, man,

1170
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: what was like? What was that?

1171
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 4: Like?

1172
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: You couldn't believe it?

1173
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 2: Nah, Like they want to give me a hundred Like

1174
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 2: the's numbers like that, bro I said the most money man.

1175
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 2: I grew up for college. All that was twenty five

1176
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 2: hundred dollars man, and before that it was two hundred

1177
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 2: and seven. Found found some money, downtowned out of twenty

1178
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 2: to seventy five dollars.

1179
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: When I was in high school, was that you did

1180
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: a sign and trade to go there.

1181
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: They was gonna lose me for nothing. Right, So that listen, dude,

1182
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 2: who you know come out for All Star appearents number

1183
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 2: one field All Star year. We topped three teams in

1184
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 2: the car, two three teams in the conference.

1185
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 3: Because I remember this being a big thing, they didn't

1186
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 3: resign you, and y'all then.

1187
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 2: Offered me nothing. They they give you an offer the

1188
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 2: year before, right the year before going into my fourth

1189
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 2: year to all fourth year, they offered me six for

1190
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 2: sixty six.

1191
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: All young fellas here that now they was trying off

1192
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: for this man. He was the top pick. He was

1193
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: an All Star.

1194
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 3: Six for sixty six, y'all getting fold for two hundred. Now,

1195
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 3: like just think about it now, y'all came carry on.

1196
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 2: So the going rate in my position, I thought was

1197
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 2: like eighty at the time. Guys getting Foord the All Star,

1198
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 2: they getting eighty whatever it was. So I'm thinking I'm

1199
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 2: get at least eighty. You come to sixty six. I

1200
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 2: turned it down. I'd already not already took the fourth

1201
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 2: of your option, so I'm not obligated turn it down.

1202
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 2: Play it out. I make the All Star teamed up.

1203
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 2: What fat Joe say, Today's It is not today's You

1204
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So and that's what it called.

1205
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: That's what it was.

1206
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: Like.

1207
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 2: I waited, Listen, this is facts, man. I waited, waited, waited,

1208
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 2: free agency started, waited, waited, waited, days going by days

1209
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 2: going by phone. Don't ring, Bro, No, I'm not expecting

1210
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 2: the other team to call. I've been expecting my team.

1211
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 2: I'm waiting on. As we sit here in twenty twenty two,

1212
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 2: I'm still waiting on that. They ain't called, Bro, wake up.

1213
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 2: Called Jkid first, Like, listen, Jay, they ain't calling off

1214
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 2: of me nothing, man, Like, they ain't called. I don't

1215
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 2: know what to tell you. Came man, but they ain't

1216
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 2: doing it. Go get your money bro hm hmm. Then

1217
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 2: can call it was leaky Ran went to Atlanta visit.

1218
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 2: It was like Atlanta cool, nice place to live with.

1219
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 2: They wasn't offering what I was hearing Den was gonna offer.

1220
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 2: I was on my I was gonna go visit Utah.

1221
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 2: I was on my way there at the airport. It

1222
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 2: was like Booze is just signed for the sixty six

1223
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 2: that I turned down. No I wasn't, so they got

1224
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 2: him for that. I detoured.

1225
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:33,919
Speaker 1: I went to Vegas, which that was a blessing for Booth.

1226
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 2: Went to Vegas. I met Pool chilling going back and

1227
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 2: forth like we're at this number, call you backt a

1228
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 2: call back. We're at this number. I'm gonna call you

1229
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 2: back the third call at this number. All right, right, man,

1230
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 2: stopped playing with these people straight damn Like, man, stop

1231
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 2: playing with these folks. Man, Like, send this over. You know,

1232
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 2: this is the day of you, young guy, you know,

1233
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 2: to buy fax machines. They faxed my contract over.

1234
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: Where I was staying, you've been doing it like Drake's up.

1235
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 2: I'm before you. Before I signed, it was just sitting

1236
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 2: on the table, man, I'm Hontyne just looking at just

1237
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 2: zeros the years. Just it's just stacking like the Saint real.

1238
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody doing this to me doing my sister at

1239
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 2: the time. Boy, if you don't sign that paper, man,

1240
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I'm not sign this right now. Man,

1241
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 2: I got it. Gotta absorbed this.

1242
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this though, so once you signed it,

1243
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: I like to ask, like when you got that bag?

1244
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I've seen.

1245
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 3: Some of the ships, so you know, I'm privy a

1246
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 3: little bit like I won't, but you know you could

1247
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 3: tell them, you know, the listeners and everybody that what

1248
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 3: what it came?

1249
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 2: I do.

1250
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: I Don'm not. This ain't about you know obviously you

1251
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 1: talk I have Mama.

1252
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 2: Didn't have this, didn't have it.

1253
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 3: It was all past ten, so you know that guy everything,

1254
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 3: so I won't know what he is for Kvemar where

1255
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 3: it was like you look back on it even now,

1256
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 3: you like I kind of acted.

1257
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: Like, let's let's see that. What did kve War do

1258
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: when he got that cash? That bad?

1259
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 2: So we I'm in Jersey, you know, Jake Kidd is

1260
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 2: Jay Kid already Kidd pulling.

1261
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: Up everything everything. We all had that one that.

1262
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 2: You pull up one day. I'm like, what that put

1263
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 2: up in the about to say the vanquish.

1264
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is what Mike Mike Finley spoke of

1265
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 3: for those you know, this is what Finley spoke up

1266
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 3: called m j's attention.

1267
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 2: J Kidd pull up in that thing. I'm like you know,

1268
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 2: I'm used to be us. I got a six hundred.

1269
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: Doing me.

1270
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 2: I think I'm bawling, like how much is that? Like

1271
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 2: two hundred? Who is paying that for a car? So

1272
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:22,759
Speaker 2: that summer is the summer men Dallas asked Martin Dealership

1273
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 2: in Dallas. Numbers coming through. I'm like, I'm forget this.

1274
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 2: I'm on my way to the dealership. Right there's another

1275
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 2: dealership before the Asmartin dealership. I don't know what Rose

1276
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 2: Royce is. I'm hood Kenyon don't never seen this thing?

1277
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 2: What is that? You turn on the way to the

1278
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 2: ask More dealership? You turn, it's when the phantom first

1279
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 2: came back out. It's on the showroom floor two thousand

1280
01:08:56,120 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 2: and four, big grill on the showroom floors. He opened

1281
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 2: the front door, the door open the side, and he

1282
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 2: opened the other one.

1283
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: Oh lord, yes, right there.

1284
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 2: Man, I got the same financial device that I had

1285
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 2: when I was a rookie. Today, man, I called Justin

1286
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 2: Bass on the phone, like JB. I asked you, I'm

1287
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 2: on the phone asking how much you say it is?

1288
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 2: He said three, I need you to wire right now,

1289
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 2: right now, three hundred and forty nine thousand dollars to

1290
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 2: this listen, man, this place right here. I didn't even

1291
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 2: make it to the asking Martin dealership. Didn't forgot about it. Man.

1292
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 2: I stepped in that thing. Man, it had that peanut

1293
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 2: butter gust.

1294
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: The third thing.

1295
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 2: I was like, they come with this? He said, he

1296
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,560
Speaker 2: coming umbrella too. I said, I'll get the fire umbrella.

1297
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 2: Get out of it. Really, man, he said this, how

1298
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 2: come you post thing? Umbrella? Come out?

1299
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, now, let me ask you how that feel?

1300
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: Straight out the showroom?

1301
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 2: Feel Listen, you couldn't tell me nothing bruh, like just.

1302
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 3: Doing that like like com from like you said, you

1303
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 3: find to a saved money, you go by brand new

1304
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 3: something off the showroom slow room floor.

1305
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 2: Dog couldn't tell chance I was really number one picked.

1306
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 2: Then I made Now I'm man, So I'll go to Denver. Right,

1307
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 2: the car gets to Denver, and ain't nobody in Denver

1308
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 2: seeing nothing like this. The car pull up at the

1309
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 2: Pepsi Center, everybody and arena coming out looking at the car, right,

1310
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 2: looking at the car, looking at the car. Now, I'm

1311
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 2: excited about the car. Right, but I live in Denver.

1312
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 2: No disrespect to dem I love Denver made me, but

1313
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 2: weather this is Denver. This car is too much because

1314
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 2: every time I drove it, it's like show stop. So

1315
01:10:56,240 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 2: fast forward All Star weekend that year, my first in Denver.

1316
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 2: All Star Weekend is in Denver. That was the most

1317
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 2: the car got dro that that weekend. Coming out in

1318
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 2: the spring is the Bentley GT and the Flying Spurs.

1319
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 2: Right see, I can add on to this stuff. So

1320
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 2: I'm got the ben got the Phantom. There's been a

1321
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 2: dealership in Denver. I go out drive. He's like, man,

1322
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 2: we'll we'll do something with you if you my brain

1323
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 2: get the So I had. I wanted this car right

1324
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 2: when I got rid of the Phantom. I had nine

1325
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 2: hundred miles on it. What that's it? Nine hundred?

1326
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: I watched it like a box.

1327
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 2: Yo, most of y'all guys did. So I get rid

1328
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 2: of the Phantom. Right he wanted to buy it. I

1329
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 2: traded him right, got the got the Bentley GT and

1330
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 2: a Ferrari three sixty spite yo, listen, yo, real bad actor,

1331
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 2: bad listen. So I'm in Denver. I'm turning down now.

1332
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,719
Speaker 2: I'm you know, mellow in his second year. You don't

1333
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 2: know nothing.

1334
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm the dog, I'm the how to do it?

1335
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 2: He might be leaving y'all the scorn. Goddamn it. But listen,

1336
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 2: I'm him in this month. Yeah, I'm him. I'm Elon

1337
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 2: Musk in this right now. Listen.

1338
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: He Let me ask you this though, because I remember

1339
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: a story. What what car was?

1340
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 2: It?

1341
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: Did Jr? Put the popcorn in? And you was gonna

1342
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: kill him?

1343
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 4: You?

1344
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 2: They wouldn't even tell you who it was because they

1345
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 2: knew you were real gonna do something. You ain't found

1346
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 2: out that it was him into how much long later

1347
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 2: and just tell me the whole story. So how so

1348
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 2: I was in a suit. I didn't play that game.

1349
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 2: The car was? It was a Range Rover, the white

1350
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 2: and tear white, Range white and terror.

1351
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: So bad. So you know, so this is how so

1352
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 1: you do that?

1353
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 2: These are facts? Or it's April fools Day, right, we

1354
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 2: gott shoot around, y'all know that time of year because

1355
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 2: we we indulge. We so April Fool's Day, we all

1356
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 2: I tell Jim Gill and our team training, so ripe

1357
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 2: guy's name on the board. Some guys that's indulged, some

1358
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 2: guys that don't say it's test day. So we had

1359
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 2: shoot around certain guys. I know that dude. They had

1360
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 2: shoot around. You know when you when you're show trying

1361
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 2: to piss you and that you drinking water, Gatorade, water,

1362
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 2: gator Rade, water, Gatorade. So you soit this's done. You

1363
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 2: can go bam bam bam. You know I got one

1364
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:50,640
Speaker 2: in the chamber, right, So I put dudes name on

1365
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 2: the board. We go to shoot around to come out.

1366
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 2: Ain't no names on the board, Ain't no piss man.

1367
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 2: It's April fool high, hot high. We got a game

1368
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 2: that night. I'm in a suit. I don't play, so

1369
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 2: you know I got suit on, so I don't keep

1370
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 2: none in my pocket. I put everything in my locker.

1371
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 2: See my keys walled all that, so j R. Puts

1372
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 2: the ball boy, who I find out was the ball

1373
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 2: boy up to it. You go get my key at

1374
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 2: my locker and go put the ship in my car.

1375
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 2: So after the game, you know I don't play, So

1376
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 2: I'm the first one out the locker room. I'm going home.

1377
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 2: I ain't sue, so I'm gonna go do my thing.

1378
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 2: I'm walking out to the parking lot and I hit

1379
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 2: my unlocked button and it don't unlock it.

1380
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: Don't you know it didn't even work.

1381
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 2: But you always locked my car, but he forgot to

1382
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 2: lock it. He's got to lock he forgot to lock

1383
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 2: my car back. So I'm thinking not locked my car.

1384
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 2: But I'm like whatever, I get in the car and

1385
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 2: the ship to spill out. Y'all left the door open

1386
01:14:53,680 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 2: and as is turned the fuck around. Man, imagine I'm

1387
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 2: in the suit man, I go in there and put

1388
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 2: on some shoes. Dog go in my locker, put on

1389
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 2: some basketball shoes. Guys up doing postgame interviews by now

1390
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 2: the left to me. Then, man, I go back in

1391
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 2: that mother man who was in the locker room, who

1392
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,600
Speaker 2: took my key out my locker and went So I

1393
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 2: sid the locker room. There's a camera, butve the locker room,

1394
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 2: there's a camera, budder y'all watching everything, and I need

1395
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 2: to know who's in her doing the game. Can't, So

1396
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 2: they go clean the car. I go home. Listen, y'all

1397
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 2: got a certain amount of time. Y'all get this ship

1398
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 2: on my car, get it out of my car, and

1399
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 2: let me two fold. You need to clean my car

1400
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 2: and let me know who did it. Phone rings, So

1401
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 2: I'm I'm on it. I'm no man. So now it

1402
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 2: was the ball boy and he he off top first

1403
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 2: for you such and such put me up to it.

1404
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 2: He's singing right, black and white on the screen. So

1405
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 2: my next question is, let's do the address? Come on man,

1406
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 2: because he had just moved. I knew he stayed previously,

1407
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 2: but he just moved. He moved on the golf course

1408
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 2: because just when he starts swinging the things, he moved

1409
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 2: on the golf course. So I was like, what's his address?

1410
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 2: Can you can you? Can you please? No? You can't

1411
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 2: do nothing? What's his address? Man? GM calling everybody calling?

1412
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 2: Can you can you please? Not? No? Can you? We'll

1413
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 2: do no? What's his address? Man? I want I need

1414
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 2: to go over that right now. I need to go

1415
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 2: talk to this man. Man, I listen. It's lucky they

1416
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 2: didn't because this is young ignorant Kenyon man like badass

1417
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 2: yellow I always gonna do something bad at the jyr Dog.

1418
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, you do that ship the rookies you don't

1419
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 2: do And everybody in the whole organization was like, why him,

1420
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 2: of all.

1421
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 1: People that you can speak to do this too?

1422
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 2: Whyam? Because y'all know how everybody knew up to that point. Man,

1423
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 2: I'm confrontational, man like I don't want no chill. It's

1424
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 2: not but nothing like that. You when I paid hard

1425
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 2: money for that brother, man, you don't do that. Man,

1426
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 2: So like we can go in further, but it would

1427
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 2: have been bad. And had I got his address that night,

1428
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 2: it would have been one.

1429
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 1: Of them like like, 'a exactly what you just said?

1430
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 1: Why him? Like when I heard about the story, I

1431
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 1: was like, okay.

1432
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 2: Like it is just not No.

1433
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 3: I'm like like people that don't know they still know,

1434
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 3: don't do that, like you know, like that's just like

1435
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 3: we might not even know who you might just see

1436
01:17:58,200 --> 01:17:58,799
Speaker 3: a clip.

1437
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 2: Like oh, I'm not gonna really you don't really want.

1438
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: To try pranks and ship.

1439
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 2: And then and then and them dudes new in the

1440
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 2: locker room, like I didn't move that way, Like I

1441
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 2: wouldn't have laughed for a joker, key key key high

1442
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 2: kind of guy. My locker was separate from everybody's. I

1443
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 2: didn't let nobody sit in the locker next to me,

1444
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 2: but two people in history, Ruben Patterson and Damar Johnson.

1445
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 2: Wasn't nobody allowed to sit next to me? So good,

1446
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,560
Speaker 2: this is fact. Dog, So come on man, like no,

1447
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 2: we ain't doing this, like no, I tear this thing up. Dogs,

1448
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 2: they knew it and they like, man, why him so

1449
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 2: so the ball boy that did it? So I told

1450
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,560
Speaker 2: him straight up, I beten I see him around the

1451
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,600
Speaker 2: Pepsi Center, And I told him straight up, if you

1452
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,600
Speaker 2: see me anywhere in Denver, you need to go the

1453
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 2: other way.

1454
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 1: So you really gave a little bout boy PTSD.

1455
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 2: Man, I can't they They begged me not to do

1456
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 2: nothing to him because I got to see him every

1457
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 2: day and we gotta work together. Get terror. Oh yeah,

1458
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do something to you. Yeah. So you're not

1459
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 2: allowed and you're not allowed here. Nor if you see

1460
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 2: me in a restaurant, a bar, the grocery store, you

1461
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 2: better leave on site. On site.

1462
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: You see, you see the new Denver Nuggets, they will

1463
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 1: put together with a lot of talent like they got,

1464
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 1: Like if anybody can get a trade to get any

1465
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 1: of them them boys over there, they got a lot

1466
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: of talent over there. It reminds me of y'all teams. Man,

1467
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 1: y'all had y'all had Chay and see at point go

1468
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 1: at one point, you had Andrea at point go at

1469
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: one point, y'all had Ai. Y'all always kept like so

1470
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,560
Speaker 1: much talent in Denver, Like what do you think that

1471
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: y'all couldn't just really just jump over there key.

1472
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 2: Wording their phrase. Man like just putting together talent. Yeah, now,

1473
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 2: putting together a team, nothing more, nothing less, Like what

1474
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 2: I'm saying, that's always real. Just accumulate names because guys

1475
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 2: had a decent career, not what we need as a

1476
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 2: team to compete and be successful and possibly compete for

1477
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 2: a championship. Like when Chauncey came. Chauncey settled everything the

1478
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 2: most they had been and since I been there, you

1479
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,560
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Because he had been there, he

1480
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 2: knew what to take, he knew time score situations, he

1481
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 2: knew to get everybody else involved. First three quarters, let

1482
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 2: Melo do his thing periodically doing the first three. In

1483
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, it's seven fifteen. You know what I'm saying, y'all,

1484
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 2: get y'all and fourth. But this is gonna be a

1485
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 2: Me and Mellow show. You know what I'm saying, I'm

1486
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 2: in Mellow gonna lead. And then Chouncey knew that, so

1487
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 2: he implemented that and certain things that he would do

1488
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 2: during the course of the game that would and not

1489
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 2: letting George fuck sit up and not It was that

1490
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year in your opinion mid playoffs, Yeah, absolutely,

1491
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 2: I know. I think so we all know they they

1492
01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 2: value individual stuff more than the team acculations.

1493
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: It's weird to me.

1494
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 2: As a rookie that team he scored, but took that

1495
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 2: team who it was in the basement, That's why they

1496
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 2: had the third pick. You know what I'm saying, Let's

1497
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 2: make the claffs. So in my opinion, yeah, so I

1498
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 2: got there his second year. He was like he came

1499
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 2: into his own you know what I'm saying, like doing

1500
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 2: his thing. But it was just like we just accumulating talent. Man,

1501
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 2: you're in, you're out, you're in, You're out. So and

1502
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 2: not the right coach for what we had this run.

1503
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 2: Chancey got there of course because Seawan's Like I said,

1504
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:42,640
Speaker 2: Chancey made us. It was dope having somebody there who

1505
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 2: was like Dre was great, Like I love Andre. Member

1506
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 2: wasn't strong enough as a leader point guard. You know,

1507
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 2: you got to you gotta be a certain way, you

1508
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 2: gotta be a certain way. Got so great, love like

1509
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 2: fearless as a point guard. One of the most underrated

1510
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 2: players at that position throughout our game. Don't get the

1511
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 2: respect he deserved. It was gonna never work with Chuck

1512
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 2: and Mellow. Yeah, and you add Jr. To the fray myself, Nay, nay,

1513
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 2: Like it just wasn't gonna work, you know what I'm saying.

1514
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: Thirty and thirty at night. I was like, man.

1515
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 2: Over them, got thirty and then and then it's like

1516
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 2: I said, dude that was sitting in the second chair,

1517
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:35,680
Speaker 2: wasn't no help. Yeah, I'm saying, then you make that trade. Then.

1518
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 2: So I love Mellow Deth. Everybody know I feel about Mellow.

1519
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 2: I think if they don't send Chauncey with Mellow in

1520
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 2: New York, we still compete. We still compete, you know

1521
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Yeah, I love Mellow, Love Mellow Death.

1522
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 2: You can't replace twenty six twenty seven night, but I

1523
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 2: think we could. We had enough.

1524
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 1: Everything, John had chance Whatelse.

1525
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 2: Come on, man, Ray Felton. They gave y'all everything to

1526
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 2: get Mellow.

1527
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 1: Y'all cheating.

1528
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 2: They keep Ray Felton, they keep maybe Wilson Chandler or

1529
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 2: now you have to give him the same position you

1530
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 2: give us Gallinari and keep and we keep Chohnson. I

1531
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 2: think you're still got Jayall. We still got guys that

1532
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 2: can score, chos score you put me in. We know

1533
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 2: I slouching this league. I know how to go get

1534
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 2: a bucket. Got they still we got guys that the

1535
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 2: ball is moving free in the week.

1536
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 1: But but that was a bad deal anyway, you know,

1537
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: everybody know that they because because they could have kept

1538
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 1: all of that and just added Mellow.

1539
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 2: And then he's the bad guy in this. Like Mello

1540
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 2: never said he wanted it out, but then he never

1541
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 2: said he wanted to stay. You know what I'm saying.

1542
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 2: It was playing the political game to get it, know

1543
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But it was like now I think, man,

1544
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 2: we well, we could have definitely did somethinghow we had

1545
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 2: have put a team together instead of just accumulating talent.

1546
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 3: Does anything compare to seeing your son be drafted now

1547
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 3: playing in the NBA and he's carving out his own.

1548
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 1: Path and having his own success?

1549
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 2: Nothing, not even my draft day, right, not draft day,

1550
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:30,440
Speaker 2: not signing the max deal, not making it to the finals,

1551
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 2: not making an All Star team, nothing nothing compares to

1552
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 2: that that moment for him. Mm hm a we it

1553
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 2: was it was up in there. I'm saying, we all

1554
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 2: everybody's mistakers. There's just that it was up in the

1555
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 2: air or whatever, but for that moment to be real

1556
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 2: in us, to have that moment and first born man.

1557
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: Right, I mean I remember, like when I first messaged

1558
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 1: you had the tattoo and with I remember he was.

1559
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 2: Born dog, you know what I'm saying. So for him

1560
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 2: to be living out his childhood dream I never had that.

1561
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 2: I never knew what it was to dream big like that.

1562
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 1: He's seen something that you ain't never seen before, been

1563
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 1: around something you ain't never been around.

1564
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 2: For him to do it, man, And and just the

1565
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 2: joy I felt for him, you know what I'm saying.

1566
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 2: I've never been that. I never besides the day that

1567
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:32,600
Speaker 2: they were born, all six of them was born like

1568
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 2: nothing else excited had the excited me in life like that. Man.

1569
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 2: I'm I'm proud of it. Man. I'm excited for him

1570
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 2: because this is what he wanted. What he wanted is

1571
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 2: what he's put blood, sweat and tears into you, you

1572
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So for him to be doing it, man,

1573
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 2: and not just be doing it, but be really good

1574
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 2: at it, like boy can go And I'm like, yo,

1575
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,679
Speaker 2: watch him last night, I said, man, like you're fucking

1576
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 2: really good dog, you know how to do it?

1577
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 3: Feel like to see some of the highlights and it's

1578
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 3: like he not even tall as me, but he looked

1579
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 3: like me out there, like you hit a different stuff

1580
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 3: and like if he just watched, like he come out

1581
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 3: of nowhere getting lives, getting blocks, getting rebounds and it's like, yo,

1582
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 3: like like we just say hearing watch games literally on

1583
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 3: a patio at the crib to like how.

1584
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 2: Crazy is that?

1585
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 1: He just bounce it like he was like how stupid

1586
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 1: crazy is that?

1587
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 2: Like how did that feel to see your son out there,

1588
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 2: like being that explosive doing some of the stuff that

1589
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 2: you would do out there. So he was younger, right,

1590
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:39,799
Speaker 2: you know you got the pool, you got the basketball

1591
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 2: goal in the swimming pool, right, you know you tell

1592
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 2: kids don't do it, but they fucking doing it anyway.

1593
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:49,560
Speaker 2: They running, jumping and jumping dunk. He was younger, Like

1594
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 2: he used to run and we used to be in Dallas, Man,

1595
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 2: he used to be running taking off, dunking that thing

1596
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 2: in the pool. I used to be like, Yo, tell

1597
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 2: my partners should sit out, like yo, like who they

1598
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 2: look like? Like? Who? I'm actually just like Josh smith

1599
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 2: Man watching right nine, ten years old, I'm like watching

1600
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 2: dog So they used to be out on the basketball

1601
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 2: goal in the court outside they lord of gold in

1602
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 2: my nephew and they lord of gold, they take it.

1603
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, man, look at this boy. Man, wait

1604
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:19,600
Speaker 2: to listen. I should tell him at the time and

1605
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:22,760
Speaker 2: wait till he get older. And it translates right as

1606
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 2: he got older and he was in high school, he

1607
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 2: started seeing I'm like, yo, okj doggs. I got to

1608
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 2: see this. I'm telling people, y'all got to see this man,

1609
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 2: stupid athlete. And it was like right before my very eyes,

1610
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 2: I'm watching me, and I'm like, that's the way people

1611
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 2: used to look at me. And because I never knew,

1612
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:44,560
Speaker 2: I never thought of myself as that until people started like, no,

1613
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 2: you get off that floor. Boy.

1614
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 1: When I came to his high school game that one year,

1615
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 1: his senior year, and I was just like, man like, okay, came,

1616
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 1: you might got a little bit more little thing up here. Man,

1617
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 1: he bouncy and that thing.

1618
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 2: Like peep this man like and for him to play

1619
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 2: out here on that team and and everybody like you're

1620
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 2: not that he's not he can't shoot, he don't do that. Man.

1621
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:11,640
Speaker 2: To see this boy playing high school man, all the

1622
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 2: stuff that people seeing now in the league. I used

1623
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 2: to sit back. We had the game like this dog.

1624
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 2: People like man, yo boy, because I said, I sit

1625
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 2: front row at every game every wherever he played or

1626
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 2: whatever it is. If I could sit on the first row,

1627
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 2: I sit first. I just sit there. The dog could

1628
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:35,959
Speaker 2: just be awe. He had a dunk as a sophomore,

1629
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 2: Man a lob gotta still do. Threw that thing up

1630
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:43,680
Speaker 2: man and everybody in the gym. It was one of them,

1631
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 2: Vince Carter Olympic jump over. It was one of them.

1632
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:53,600
Speaker 2: Everybody in the gym was like and it caught me

1633
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:55,679
Speaker 2: by surprise because I seen him dunk, but I ain't

1634
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 2: seen him do that like it was a real body.

1635
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 2: It was like one of the him and ones. Like

1636
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 2: he walked off, poke his chest out.

1637
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, yeah, I got about I gotta

1638
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 3: get my sweat. I don't know, like like my kids

1639
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 3: little but they go up to be hoopers like I'm.

1640
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 2: Not about point. No, no, ain't no listen, ain't no

1641
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 2: chill trying none of this. Trust me, cute, There is

1642
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 2: no chill with me at the game. Okay, so you know,

1643
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 2: but I'm watching, but I'm sure, but in that moment

1644
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,679
Speaker 2: he called me off guard. But everything else I'm loud

1645
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 2: in that month, watch your had we only had out

1646
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 2: there showing you what's your name? I'm I been looking

1647
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 2: at me like, I'm like, and he doing and he

1648
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 2: backing it up. I'm hyping it up. He's backing him up.

1649
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 2: I'm like, but out here, man, he's doing it. He's

1650
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 2: throwing that thing up. He was like, well, he don't

1651
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 2: shoot the ball. He can shoot it, but why would

1652
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 2: I do anything different if you don't make me do it.

1653
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 1: Hey, listen what I'm left hand and I'm getting to

1654
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 1: this is done. I don't know what hand is he

1655
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 1: he acts like he both and he gonna either that thing.

1656
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 2: It started out so when it started, ask when he

1657
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 2: started he started he was used to shoot with two

1658
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 2: and remember like yesterday and this is true story. We're

1659
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 2: at the park, so we're working on a little left hands.

1660
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 2: I'm cheating. So this is the time I'm starting to

1661
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 2: see he really serious about it. So we had you

1662
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 2: just need to come off this leg for his hand,

1663
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 2: his leg for his hand. And he having a hard time.

1664
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 2: I'm like no because he shooting jump shouts and I'm

1665
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 2: starting to realize both of them, and at that moment,

1666
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 2: I said, do you need to pick one? Like, you

1667
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:41,719
Speaker 2: gotta pick one. You can't shoot both hands. You gotta

1668
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:45,599
Speaker 2: pick one. You gotta pick one. I'm thinking he goes

1669
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:49,679
Speaker 2: because he jumped off his right leg, so I'm thinking

1670
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 2: he finished. Definitely that thing we own, you know, the left,

1671
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 2: and shoot that thing. We feed up and he just right.

1672
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 2: But then he going to the bastard. He right right right,

1673
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 2: what is right?

1674
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:06,599
Speaker 1: Right? Right?

1675
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 2: Everything else left? Left, right, land, right, land right leg

1676
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 2: He like. So I'm like, dude, so now you see

1677
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 2: him do stuff in the gym and work it out

1678
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 2: and it's fluid like he dribbled that thing. He can

1679
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 2: whipp that thing over there with the right and the

1680
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 2: left and the right, and I'm like, dude, shoot jump

1681
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 2: shot left handed. He going like, but I'm like, dude,

1682
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 2: do you you don't know how specialist could be? You

1683
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 2: put the time in and work at this man. And

1684
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 2: that's where we are now, Like we're using what he

1685
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 2: what he has, because that's an advantage. You shooting that

1686
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 2: thing right handed and you hard left, Like there's no

1687
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 2: question about he's going left. There's no like how you

1688
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 2: guard that. Yeah, how you got it?

1689
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 1: But no NBA jersey up in the crib d not yet.

1690
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 2: I'm waiting to be in my house in Dallas, man,

1691
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 2: or whether we're gonna build it saying not yet.

1692
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 1: We got him to hang out.

1693
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:02,559
Speaker 2: Don't know that joint?

1694
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 1: Man, would you ever think that? Man, your family will

1695
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:09,760
Speaker 1: put out two NBA stars, not think we have one

1696
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 1: likes not only one. It's two of y'all in the league.

1697
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 1: Just to see your name on the back of that

1698
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:20,240
Speaker 1: jersey and see your youngest boy, I mean your oldest

1699
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 1: boy playing that in this game. Man, Listen, I'll be

1700
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 1: I'll be excited, and I'll be treating everybody, every NBA

1701
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:30,560
Speaker 1: kid like it's my key. I'll be so excited, you know,

1702
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 1: especially after you actually had a daddy or somebody who

1703
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:40,559
Speaker 1: then went to get them to go back through there.

1704
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 2: So just the thought process that that comes with all

1705
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 2: of it. Right, if he's hooping and you think he

1706
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 2: has a chance, why isn't there more guys who had

1707
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:55,639
Speaker 2: sons in the league? Like why why is there more?

1708
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 1: Like?

1709
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 2: Why?

1710
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:56,800
Speaker 4: Why?

1711
01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 2: Why? Why? I don't know because you can name them,

1712
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 2: there's more now, But then it has been before, and

1713
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:06,639
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like, and you can name the one

1714
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 2: that was before, and you wonder like why why, like

1715
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 2: why these dudes got sons? Like why ain't there? I

1716
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 2: heard the hoop? Why ain't there? Why they ain't make it?

1717
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 2: Why they ain't make it? Why didn't make it? And

1718
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 2: the only thing that I could gather is it's the

1719
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 2: obvious what I'm saying. It's how they're growing up. It's

1720
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 2: the things that you're implementing in them and the things

1721
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 2: that you allowing are not allowing and if you're telling

1722
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 2: you enough to get it, that is definitely key. But

1723
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:38,640
Speaker 2: I think more than the time because it's the honest conversations.

1724
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:44,640
Speaker 2: It's been honest with them and giving them that what

1725
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 2: you had what I'm saying, And for me it was

1726
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 2: it was it was just that. For kJ like, it

1727
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 2: was be truthful with it, be honest with it, riding

1728
01:33:55,680 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 2: be his big I'm his biggest cheerleader, I'm his biggest critic.

1729
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:04,680
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, praising, praising, praising, praise and

1730
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:10,600
Speaker 2: praising and here comes and he takes it because you

1731
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 2: understand where it's coming from. And it's that and telling

1732
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 2: him that what I just stated, like there's guys that

1733
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 2: had sons before you that didn't make it for these reasons.

1734
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 2: You grew up in the valley. Mm hmm, you grew

1735
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 2: up in the private school. You ain't never missed a meal,

1736
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 2: Your lights ain't never been off in your house. You

1737
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 2: ain't never had a fist fight, your shoes ain't never

1738
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 2: been too small, you ain't never had holes in your sock.

1739
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 2: I'm saying, it's all of these things I'm telling him,

1740
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 2: and he looking at me like these are things that

1741
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 2: you had to been doing to get to that point.

1742
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, like you got it good and easy

1743
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:50,799
Speaker 2: like this, I'm.

1744
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 1: The first man. You know what I'm saying.

1745
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 2: You don't have a pool, Like how you don't have

1746
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 2: a pool. It's like like so when I tell my

1747
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 2: is not my youngest, like like I didn't grow up

1748
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 2: around my dad, and they like you don't know your dad,

1749
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 2: but like no, they're like wow, like there's foreign to them.

1750
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 2: So just being honest with them, man, and and and

1751
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 2: I tell kJ all of the gifts that you have

1752
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 2: athletically with that and all your best attribute and you listened.

1753
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like you listened, because I don't know it

1754
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 2: all bro, But I know what hard work looked like,

1755
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 2: and I know what it takes to get there. I

1756
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 2: don't know much about life, and I ain't never had

1757
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 2: the whole lot, but I know what it takes, the

1758
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:39,400
Speaker 2: hard work, and I know what it takes to get that.

1759
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 1: He can't do nothing but listen, you went from not

1760
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 1: even being the top player to the number one draft

1761
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 1: pick all star.

1762
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:49,880
Speaker 2: Like he could have easily it could have easily tuned

1763
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 2: it out. Easily tuned it out. And how was your

1764
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 2: experience in China, because like it wasn't you know? It

1765
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 2: was during that lockout. It was a handful of guys' life.

1766
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 2: The fact that went over the time was that one

1767
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,679
Speaker 2: bro right, Like I was dealing with all them injuries

1768
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 2: in Denver and all that at that time in Denver

1769
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 2: coming off that and hearing it and we don't know

1770
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 2: when they gonna hoop again and all that. Man, I'm

1771
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to go hoop. They want to offer me

1772
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 2: what there's three millions and change tax freak, and I'm

1773
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 2: gonna go get that on the way smoke. So it

1774
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 2: was an experience. It was cool, Like I was. I

1775
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 2: was there a short amount of time though I was

1776
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 2: on that for three months.

1777
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:30,679
Speaker 1: Bro, I remember you got up out of there.

1778
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 2: So they all had to stay like I had, man listen,

1779
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,720
Speaker 2: shout out to Andy Miller. Bro like Andy will and

1780
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:41,440
Speaker 2: they structured that contract and did they think and manipulated

1781
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 2: and flipped some things amazing. During the Chinese New Year's

1782
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 2: and things, you know, I was. I was back home

1783
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:52,599
Speaker 2: by Christmas. We played against Josh Poull. I played against JP.

1784
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 2: I told man, I'm out of mind at the Airport's

1785
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:58,360
Speaker 2: like what I I'm out here. I was gonna leave

1786
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 2: the game before I played against him. They offered me

1787
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 2: a hundred thousand to playing one more game.

1788
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 1: Oh you gotta get that.

1789
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 2: I give you service. I was like bags by the dope.

1790
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:12,840
Speaker 3: So so one of the things that I heard from

1791
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 3: like Wilson and people, he was like he was like

1792
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 3: the food was crazy because I'm like, man, I love

1793
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 3: a same food we used to you a real it's not.

1794
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:26,800
Speaker 1: The whole head and everything. The shrimp put the head

1795
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:27,439
Speaker 1: on and everything.

1796
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 2: So the thing for me and I'm this is me

1797
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:34,680
Speaker 2: coming from the lifestyle that we're accustomed to has been

1798
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 2: the NBA players. I wouldn't go in the world without it.

1799
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:43,880
Speaker 2: So I so before I went, I had a chef

1800
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 2: in place. I had a chauffeur and translator mm hmm,

1801
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:51,160
Speaker 2: my sister that was working for him at the time.

1802
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 2: The team paid him. I didn't have to come out

1803
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:54,599
Speaker 2: of pocket. I want him to be there, so they

1804
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 2: paid him for me. So there was an Italian restaurant

1805
01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 2: in the city that I was in. We took their

1806
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 2: head chef. He wanted the moonlight. We breakfast, lunch and

1807
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 2: when we was going the road, he'll cook my food

1808
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:10,760
Speaker 2: and put on dries, my translator. We'll get to the

1809
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 2: hotels were staying at. He'll go tell the front desk

1810
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:16,200
Speaker 2: whoever we need to talk to and Mandarin, I need

1811
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:17,560
Speaker 2: you to warm this food up, have it.

1812
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 1: They need to do it, and I just I was good.

1813
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 1: So look he lived the president.

1814
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:26,640
Speaker 2: That time. My wife like she put, you know, in

1815
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 2: the city I was in, there's Muslims and all that,

1816
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 2: so they don't sell pork. I had her. She put

1817
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 2: big two suitcases together full of stuff that I liked,

1818
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 2: a little horror mail, bacon in the box, mic awave

1819
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 2: that thing, that paper, put some of that shift all that.

1820
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 2: I listened. I was good. Listen. So the house I

1821
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:51,640
Speaker 2: stayed in was most guys stay in the dorms. They

1822
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 2: staying in the hotel of dorms. So the house I

1823
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 2: stayed in was the owner's old house he used as

1824
01:38:57,120 --> 01:38:58,479
Speaker 2: like a conference and all that.

1825
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:02,519
Speaker 1: But I was out there living like the turned the

1826
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 1: top floor. I was in into my sweets and all that.

1827
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 2: Listen. So my room, listen, this is y'all love stories

1828
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 2: and facts and all that on this. So we're going

1829
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 2: the road. My room that I was like, So there's

1830
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 2: a bathroom that was outside of my room. That was

1831
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 2: my bathroom. At first, I made a statement of something.

1832
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 2: Something happened where the bad I needed the bathroom I wanted.

1833
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 2: I made a statement or something it would be nice

1834
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 2: to have a bathroom in the room. Right, we're going

1835
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 2: like a three game road trip. I come back, bathroom

1836
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:37,840
Speaker 2: in the room. Then to put a bathroom.

1837
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:40,680
Speaker 1: Then swapped it out.

1838
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:43,599
Speaker 2: Put there. They built the bathroom in the room. Man,

1839
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 2: plumbing and everything. I'm like, yo, damn, listen, man, I

1840
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:49,360
Speaker 2: could put a pair of socks in the in the

1841
01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 2: hamper my uniform washing. I can just take my socks

1842
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:55,479
Speaker 2: off them, just like walking by me and toss the

1843
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 2: socks and the thing as I'm going to my room

1844
01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:59,280
Speaker 2: and come back to put more stuff in it and

1845
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 2: the socks going didn't watch the one pair of.

1846
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:08,160
Speaker 1: Socks, but it made me say that.

1847
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:10,720
Speaker 2: And that's when you're going to o these places dudes

1848
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 2: living out there and I'm like, yo, y'all a living horribly.

1849
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 2: But it was only three months, man, was it was

1850
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:21,920
Speaker 2: definitely an experience, a positive experience. But I wanted to hoop,

1851
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:24,200
Speaker 2: bro like I didn't know lock I was going in

1852
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 2: and none of that. Man, I wanted to hoop. And

1853
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:31,080
Speaker 2: that's and left there, had a chance to go join Miami,

1854
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:33,559
Speaker 2: made decision to join the Clippers.

1855
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:37,040
Speaker 1: And what I'm saying when you when you start joining

1856
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 1: them other teams, it was like, man, it did it

1857
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 1: feel like, Man, I'm putting myself into they bullshit. Like

1858
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:44,760
Speaker 1: I get there and it's just like, man, all this

1859
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 1: ship going on.

1860
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:52,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially the Clipper situation. You looking at it's all

1861
01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:54,960
Speaker 2: this talented here and you like y'all tripping in here

1862
01:40:55,040 --> 01:41:02,760
Speaker 2: like yeah, y'all really like dude like nah, like we

1863
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 2: could be good, but on the plane is all I'm like, Man,

1864
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:10,439
Speaker 2: I could have went somewhere else.

1865
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 1: You went through a history of knee injuries. I went

1866
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:14,840
Speaker 1: through a history of knee injuries, and you know, I'd

1867
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 1: be sentimental to guys who had a knee injury because

1868
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 1: it's like I'll be trying to explain to it's a

1869
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:22,960
Speaker 1: mental drain sometime year after year, they like, you got

1870
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 1: your kids right on your knees that you mentally you

1871
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:28,679
Speaker 1: gotta take care of. You gotta ice down, you gotta

1872
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:30,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, make sure you rehabbing and

1873
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:34,640
Speaker 1: strengthen and all that just tell us about the perseverance,

1874
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:37,640
Speaker 1: Like because you had an early knee injury, but you

1875
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:42,400
Speaker 1: played this long career, and they don't know the weight room,

1876
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 1: the hard work, the icing down, the time and the

1877
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:49,519
Speaker 1: minutes you put towards your knees to just get out

1878
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:52,160
Speaker 1: there and perform and play or have this long career

1879
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:55,200
Speaker 1: that you have. You see people like d Rose and

1880
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:57,720
Speaker 1: these a lot of these guys like man, I'll be

1881
01:41:57,800 --> 01:41:59,680
Speaker 1: looking at them, guys like, bro, I know what you're

1882
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:02,479
Speaker 1: going to Man, you gotta be there an hour two

1883
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 1: hours early to get prepared for practice, let alone a game.

1884
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:10,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. The only people I don't know if y'all noticed,

1885
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:14,360
Speaker 2: I had two Michael Fractions had one on had one

1886
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 2: on each knee right after the first one on my

1887
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:21,800
Speaker 2: left knee. Like when rehab process, I was dealing with

1888
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 2: the team and all that man and like put my

1889
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:30,920
Speaker 2: career at jeopardy, like I wasn't right. I was in pain, struggling,

1890
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:36,960
Speaker 2: trying to fight through it, and like challenging, bro, like

1891
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:40,640
Speaker 2: can I do this? Like you want to? You know

1892
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:45,640
Speaker 2: your will you I ain't got the same lift. I

1893
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:48,240
Speaker 2: can't cut this way. I can't do this. I can't.

1894
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 2: So I did that, played fifty six games. The next year,

1895
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 2: I played the first two games of the season and

1896
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:00,080
Speaker 2: I had to get micro fraction on my other my

1897
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:05,720
Speaker 2: right knee overcompensated, played the whole year on one leg.

1898
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:11,400
Speaker 2: Now that I didn't wore that other one down. So

1899
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 2: doing that and during all this time, I'm dealing with

1900
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:17,800
Speaker 2: ten of night is chronic ten the Nighties in my

1901
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:21,719
Speaker 2: left knee. On top of the MI the botch microfraction surgery.

1902
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 2: I got chronic ten the Nighties in my left knee.

1903
01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:26,800
Speaker 2: Now I gotta go get surgery my right knee. Now

1904
01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:31,719
Speaker 2: it's like right, all of it. So all Star Weekend

1905
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 2: in Vegas that year, I'm out. I gotta go get

1906
01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:37,679
Speaker 2: my left knee cleaned out right after All Star works.

1907
01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:41,840
Speaker 2: So now I'm I'm I'm rehabbing both next season. I

1908
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:45,760
Speaker 2: feel like I'm okay. Now I'm on minute restriction, play more.

1909
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:50,559
Speaker 1: Than twenty yeah, no, I'm I'm ready, you know, yeah.

1910
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Speaker 2: Twenty minutes. So now that that process there was the

1911
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:58,560
Speaker 2: most challenging thing. Man, I'm working, I'm at it, and

1912
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:00,760
Speaker 2: you tell me I can't play. Hm hm.

1913
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:02,479
Speaker 1: That's why I used to feel like that's the most

1914
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 1: disrespectful thing out of the whole ship. It's like, man,

1915
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:08,680
Speaker 1: you don't know mentally and physically what I done went

1916
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:10,920
Speaker 1: to to even get to this point to get on

1917
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:13,760
Speaker 1: this court and put my jersey on. And then I

1918
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:16,439
Speaker 1: get out here and you just like, whow want to play?

1919
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:16,560
Speaker 4: You?

1920
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:19,040
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna play this game. I don't

1921
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:20,599
Speaker 1: want to play this game. I'm gonna let you just sit.

1922
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let you dress, or you're gonna limit

1923
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 1: a minute. So I'm only gonna you're gonna play me

1924
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:28,560
Speaker 1: sixty No, I don't play with no, give me about it.

1925
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:31,320
Speaker 2: So then you and then and then you have a

1926
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:33,360
Speaker 2: head coach that don't know how to manage the man.

1927
01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:36,400
Speaker 2: So now you're playing all your minutes. Basically in the

1928
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:39,719
Speaker 2: first half, you' like what about this half?

1929
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1930
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 2: So now it's like, so Steve has a lot of

1931
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:44,880
Speaker 2: strength conditioning, got everybody's seeing a little muscle.

1932
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 1: I remember, like he saved my career, and I felt

1933
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:51,960
Speaker 1: that Steve has crazed.

1934
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 2: I felt that saved my career because he cared mm hmm,

1935
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:01,000
Speaker 2: like he gave a for and the rest of the

1936
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:04,679
Speaker 2: guys didn't. All the medical staff they could care less.

1937
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:07,760
Speaker 2: Feeding the anti inflammatories. Go try to play, get me

1938
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:09,880
Speaker 2: a toy, doll shot, go try to play. Do this,

1939
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:12,760
Speaker 2: Go try to play. But Steve took the time to

1940
01:45:12,840 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 2: learn about the injuries, learned about the rehab I needed

1941
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:17,120
Speaker 2: to do, learn about this, and he implement it, and

1942
01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:20,880
Speaker 2: he didn't let me deviate from it, Like can you

1943
01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:23,400
Speaker 2: have to be on his men restraints? I'm like, nah,

1944
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:27,160
Speaker 2: they can't go talk the k like. So I dealt

1945
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:28,720
Speaker 2: with him and it was him and him and him

1946
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:31,080
Speaker 2: and he dealing with my doctors outside out of the

1947
01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:35,879
Speaker 2: facility and all that. And so the two microfraction surgeries,

1948
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:40,280
Speaker 2: getting the knee scope and then having the chronic ten

1949
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:42,600
Speaker 2: the night is having to getting that repaired like had

1950
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 2: to get my patella completely, put it back together, and.

1951
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:48,680
Speaker 1: I did that.

1952
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 2: I can do this, but it was draining, like mentally man,

1953
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:57,320
Speaker 2: and sitting at home, guys playing you around. You don't

1954
01:45:57,320 --> 01:46:00,240
Speaker 2: want to go to the facility because it's that it's

1955
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:01,760
Speaker 2: eating at you, like you want to be out there

1956
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 2: and the mother looking at you. Man, You're making this

1957
01:46:03,640 --> 01:46:07,960
Speaker 2: amount of money and you ain't even playing. It's it's

1958
01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:08,360
Speaker 2: a lot.

1959
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 1: They don't know that.

1960
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:11,960
Speaker 2: People don't get it. They don't get it. They don't know.

1961
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:13,840
Speaker 1: That's why when I see d Rose and what he

1962
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:15,800
Speaker 1: was going through and his stuff, it was like, man, bro,

1963
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:19,120
Speaker 1: I feel you, Bro, they don't even know it's for

1964
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:21,719
Speaker 1: you to get back on the half any type of success.

1965
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:25,760
Speaker 1: I felt why he cried when he against.

1966
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:30,360
Speaker 2: Me, like his words was just what though I didn't

1967
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 2: busted my ass to get here, man, you even.

1968
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:35,599
Speaker 1: Get an opportunity to do this again. Understand that, Bro,

1969
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:36,519
Speaker 1: They don't understand that.

1970
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:37,599
Speaker 2: People understand that. Man.

1971
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:40,519
Speaker 1: I think he's just like, nah, Bro, ain't this emotional dude?

1972
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:44,280
Speaker 1: He went through meant to roller coaster to get back

1973
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:47,280
Speaker 1: to where he's at. Start bench trade. You got to

1974
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:49,360
Speaker 1: start one. You got a bitch one. You got trade

1975
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 1: one okay, uh kg duncan rashid. Who would you start?

1976
01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:58,400
Speaker 1: Who would you be? Who's your trade.

1977
01:47:00,640 --> 01:47:08,759
Speaker 2: Right tools I'm starting Timmy, he already explained starting. I'm starting, Timmy.

1978
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:13,880
Speaker 1: Wow, I gotta trade one sheet or ticket.

1979
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:17,479
Speaker 2: I get some value your ticket. So I'm trade ticket.

1980
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:21,560
Speaker 2: Keep keep cheating. Okay, what I'm saying, I get some

1981
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 2: value for ticket.

1982
01:47:22,439 --> 01:47:23,320
Speaker 1: Definitely can I'm.

1983
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:24,360
Speaker 2: Talking about So you gotta look at that.

1984
01:47:24,439 --> 01:47:27,280
Speaker 1: Man, if you can put the team out of all

1985
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:30,760
Speaker 1: the teams you play for and teammates shooting had, if

1986
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:34,080
Speaker 1: you can put four other players that you don't want

1987
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:36,680
Speaker 1: to play with to make your ultimate starting five of

1988
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:39,080
Speaker 1: the teammate shooting had, who would be the four other players?

1989
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 1: Jesus definitely?

1990
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:43,800
Speaker 4: J Kid, I know that I know kids in that

1991
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 4: ja kidd ship fuck it, No, mellow you J Kid,

1992
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:54,200
Speaker 4: mellow my five.

1993
01:47:55,439 --> 01:48:01,639
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Tyson Chandler Man Big Tyson, New York two. Yeah,

1994
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:03,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go.

1995
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 1: Chancey, Chauncey, Chauncey. J Kidd, Mello Tyson you m hm

1996
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:10,760
Speaker 1: So a five.

1997
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:11,160
Speaker 2: I like that.

1998
01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:11,720
Speaker 3: I like that.

1999
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:15,760
Speaker 2: File like bracking on some of these people's five.

2000
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 1: Got you win out. I gotta do a little bracket.

2001
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:20,639
Speaker 1: I like these five Yeah.

2002
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:25,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, guy hasn't have five, Like, yeah, we can compete.

2003
01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:27,519
Speaker 2: Like I love Listen. I don't get me wrong. I

2004
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:30,400
Speaker 2: love something. I love Chuck to death. I love Marcus Camby.

2005
01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:34,720
Speaker 1: I love but It's got you Camp. The league and

2006
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:36,640
Speaker 1: blocks and and all that was dem but.

2007
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:39,120
Speaker 2: It's I like what Tyson brought to the I like

2008
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:42,559
Speaker 2: Tyson intensity. Man, Yeah, I like I like like wh

2009
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:44,439
Speaker 2: it was with the Knicks. It was my It was

2010
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:47,320
Speaker 2: my first time in my career that I was somewhere.

2011
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:49,280
Speaker 1: Where somebody behind you got no.

2012
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:51,840
Speaker 2: I didn't even have to be the voice. I didn't

2013
01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:54,639
Speaker 2: have to be the we bullshit and that's what we're

2014
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:57,560
Speaker 2: gonna do gotten. I've always been that. And when I

2015
01:48:57,640 --> 01:49:02,040
Speaker 2: got there, he was doing it. I was like, Hi,

2016
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:07,479
Speaker 2: it's cool, im Tyson. That was welcoming, man Like. I

2017
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:09,520
Speaker 2: like what he brought to the table in that regard.

2018
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:14,720
Speaker 1: Yo, that's a wrap. We appreciate the badass.

2019
01:49:14,240 --> 01:49:18,439
Speaker 3: Yellow boy pulling up on us live on location two

2020
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:21,400
Speaker 3: thousand Draft class made long time coming.

2021
01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 1: We live on location k martin the building. You know it.

2022
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:26,639
Speaker 1: Badass yellow boy.

2023
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:40,040
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2024
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2025
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2026
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2027
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